The Tastemakers: Emmy Reactions and TIFF Takes with Kevin Jacobs

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[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm back. I'm not living in a movie theater anymore, so I'm back.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I had to tell people what the tastemakers was a lot, Taran.

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Because I had a press, but people were like, what do you do?

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And so my spiel was basically we watch a lot of TV so that we save you time

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_05]: and tell you what you should and should not watch.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I did not use the word regurgitate nearly enough.

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_04]: That was a mistake.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_05]: That was a big mistake. Huge.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, also joining us this week, a special guest

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_04]: who joined Grace at the World of TIFF.

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_04]: It's Kevin Jacobs.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Kevin, how you doing?

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I have said regurgitate zero times in the past month, at least,

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's in the vernacular now and I can see it coming out

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: multiple times on this podcast.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_04]: OK, well, we're going to teach you exactly how we chew up the TV

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_04]: and film and then we spit it back out into an easily digestible form

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_04]: for all of the little hatchling viewers.

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And we didn't make it easy for Kevin.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Kevin watched like 20 plus movies in the last week

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_05]: that he's now going to have to regurgitate out.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_05]: So I think that makes regurgitating easier, actually, I think.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: We've consumed so much content that it's like dying to be regurgitated.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Just sitting there and I was wearing sunglasses outside of the movie theater

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_01]: because it was just too hard to be in the daylight.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_04]: You were like the X-Men dude.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, full Cyclops.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_04]: It just like fully would have gone straight out your eyes without protection.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: If I took it off, I would have gotten in trouble.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. So here's what we're going to talk about today.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_04]: The Emmys just happened.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to talk about that.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And then Grace and Kevin are going to talk to me about their experience at TIFF.

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_04]: They watched a bunch of movies, many of which, probably most of which

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_04]: you have not seen and maybe not even heard about yet.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_04]: So we're going to get the inside scoop.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_04]: That is what Grace has been up to these past couple of rounds of,

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, Rings of Power, Tastemaker, Epistodes.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. So just briefly, Grace, can you explain what TIFF is?

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_04]: What happened?

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, TIFF is the Toronto International Film Festival.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And Taryn's going to be really annoyed because previously when I would

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_05]: podcast with Ariel, I would always be like a movie would come out.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_05]: There are some movies that I've watched a year ago at TIFF that have not come out.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_05]: A Woman of the Hour is one of those.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Anna Kendrick's directorial debut.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_05]: It's coming to Netflix.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Netflix bought it out of TIFF in 2023, and it is now playing this fall,

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_05]: mostly because they think I think they thought that this year would be a better

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Oscars year for her to potentially either get a directorial nod or what have you.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_05]: So it got saved for like a whole year.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_05]: So some of these movies, they're a long time before they're coming out.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_05]: But mostly...

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_05]: You think you're better than us for that?

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess. No, I feel bad. I want people to see it.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I want people. It's actually a pretty fun movie.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_05]: It's about a woman who goes on a game show and there's a serial killer on the panel.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_05]: It's based on a true story.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, a bunch of movies play.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_05]: It's one of the largest film festivals in the world.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_05]: It's one of sort of the premier film festivals in North America.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Certainly movies that are trying to make a splash to be an Oscar contender or

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_05]: acting nods.

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Some films that were played do not have distributions.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_05]: They go play at TIFF in hopes that they'll get a good enough response that

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_05]: someone will snatch them up.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Tim Robinson's comedy movie with Paul Rudd got bought by A24 at TIFF.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_05]: So that's sort of the play there.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And you just get to go and watch a bunch of movies.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's my favorite time because you just chat with people in line and in your seats.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_05]: And I chatted with Kevin and other friends about all of these interesting movies we saw.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And I feel like you want to be blown away by a lot of movies.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I was blown away by a few.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_05]: You also sit in a lot of movies that you're like, oh man, I should probably leave.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_05]: But what if it gets good right at the end?

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very special place to be.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you've never been to a film festival, I recommend going to one.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't have to be one of the major ones.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a cool environment to meet people, to sit down, to watch films you

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: wouldn't otherwise.

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And you get to discover new things, new movies, and you get to feel things.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm all about feeling stuff.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And this was a beautiful, beautiful 11 days.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_05]: One of the first movies that Kevin and I, I think it was our second movie together

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_05]: of the day.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I think we had each, we watched a movie in the morning.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_05]: We separated to go watch two different movies and came back together for a movie.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And we're sitting in the theater.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I joined Kevin, saved me a seat.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And he was sitting beside the director of one of the movies that was playing

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_05]: later in the festival that he went to go see.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_05]: It was a Canadian queer film.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_05]: So I wasn't able to work it into my schedule, but I'm very excited to watch it

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_05]: because Kevin met the director.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And then, so this is the type of stuff that happens.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very fun.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Great film.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I would have never otherwise watched.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Three Baby Angels, the name of the film.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I shouldn't name it.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So we're going to go through the TIFF experience, but first some headlines

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_04]: from the Emmys that happened over the weekend.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Because, you know, I guess as expected, Shogun crushed.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Kevin, are you a Shogun person?

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Well now you...

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_01]: As in you didn't like it or didn't watch it?

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't watch it.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I need to be a Shogun person.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I assume, I think it's like rare to find the person who's like,

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_05]: if I would ask if you're a Shogun person, you said no.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_05]: And you're like, oh, it's because I hated it.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_05]: It is a little bit of like, it's some work.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I think the show, I think it's, you know, it's mostly in another language.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Not, you know, but it is, I think quite an accomplishment.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Well-deserving.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_05]: It breaks the record, Taryn.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_05]: It wins the most Emmys ever for a show in a single season of the show.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a little like convoluted, but basically means, you know,

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_05]: most wins ever for one particular season.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_05]: The show happens to be its first.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_05]: It's been renewed.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_05]: We've talked about that on the podcast before.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I think this is like super well-deserved and pretty unsurprising

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_05]: because I think anything that could have contended against it,

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Taryn was in the limited series category.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly, yeah.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_04]: The competition, I would say, was, you know,

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe a little bit lighter than maybe some previous years.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you're looking at other drama series nominated,

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: like The Crown is there,

[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_04]: but like that hasn't been a serious contender for a while, I would say.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Fallout is there, but that's so genre and so goofy.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it's, you know, you can see why it might not be a serious contender.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_04]: The Morning Show, which has been around for a little bit too long.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Mr. & Mrs. Smith, which had a mixed reception.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_04]: We liked it.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Slow Horses, Three Body, probably.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just like, yeah, there's just like a not a,

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_04]: like really Shogun does stand out pretty heavily amongst that sea of nominations.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And I agree, I think that it's the limited series with Baby Reindeer

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and Fargo this season and Ripley that like maybe could have fought back a little bit harder.

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is a year where I think that like,

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I do feel like there's one really big surprise,

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I think in sort of the whole mix of things which we'll get into.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_05]: But mostly I feel like even though there is this like domination from Shogun,

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like Baby Reindeer kind of runs away with a lot of the limited series stuff.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And then you get this mix between the Bear and Hax sort of duking it out in the comedy thing.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_05]: But I feel like a lot of stuff that I like ended up winning,

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_05]: even if I wasn't like, oh, I would have for sure wanted that person to win.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't really feel like, do you feel like there's a big snub this year?

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, my snubs are more from like the NOMs, I think, more than I think I am.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I think the winners who won, I'm pretty content with.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Gene Smart and Jeremy Ellen White, the two Shogun leads, Ryoki Sonata and Saiwa both winning.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I think I'm pretty satisfied overall.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't feel like I come away being like, they got it wrong, Taren.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I think they got it pretty right.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I agree.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_04]: There's nothing that I'm like, oh man, that shouldn't have won.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just like, it's all fine here as far as I'm concerned.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I think like the big story from the Emmys was this kind of like existential battle

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_04]: over the state of the comedy label between The Bear and Hacks,

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_04]: where Hacks is like the Emmy darling as comedy,

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and The Bear is not a comedy.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Kevin, we should have asked you all these questions so you don't have to like,

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_05]: what I feel bad about is I'm going to ask you some questions.

[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And if you say no, you can't have the text version.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_05]: It feels like, but are you a Bear person?

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Are you a Hacks person?

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Which of these, what going into the Emmys, were you excited for anything?

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Are you an Emmy?

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Just assume I've read the Wikipedia article of every television show

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: and can talk about it on some level, even if I haven't seen it.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So to answer your question, I think that the Emmy voters responded to The Bear

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and the comedy category, specifically with the Outstanding Comedy Series by saying,

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_01]: no, not you this year, even if you asked most of them.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you prefer, The Bear or Hacks?

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot would say The Bear, at least for season two of The Bear,

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_01]: which was this Emmys, I believe.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Not season three.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think they said a resounding we're going to start looking at comedies.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And I mean, I agree with that decision.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that The Bear is a comedy in any real sense of the word.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_04]: It is not structured like a comedy.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_04]: It does not have beats like a comedy.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_04]: The acting is very dramatic, as opposed to a more comedic-focused angle.

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Whereas Hacks is a very, maybe like a new age comedy

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_04]: where there is a lot of drama there, but it's still structured like a comedy.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_04]: There are jokes written.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think there need to be those distinctions in the first place necessarily,

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_04]: but if you are going to make those distinctions,

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I think The Bear very, very clearly fits into the category of drama

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_04]: much more so than it does the category of comedy.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_04]: The only thing that puts it in the comedy category

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_04]: is the length of some of its episodes.

[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I don't, the thing is I've thought about this a lot

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_05]: because it was such a common thing when the nominations came.

[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, oh my God, we're putting The Bear in the comedy category again.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And I just actually don't know how to fix this problem

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_05]: in terms of recognizing these shows.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_05]: And to have two different categories, I thought about like

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_05]: the episode runtime has been talked about as like that's the actual marker,

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_05]: whether you're doing something that's like more of a 20 to 30 minute show

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_05]: versus more of a 40 to 60 minute show.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And that should be the marker.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Dr. Amanda has a pretty strong belief, my good friend Dr. Amanda

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_05]: has a strong belief that we all actually know what a comedy is.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_05]: The reason why this is so happening is because everybody knows

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_05]: that The Bear is not a comedy.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And so it's just it's just wrongly slotted in to a category.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I think the yeah, so but I just I don't actually know

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_05]: because I get the argument for sometimes why The Bear is a comedy.

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_05]: It probably just shouldn't it should probably just swapped

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_05]: into the categories and we're never having this conversation.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_05]: You know what?

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_05]: As much as we are. Yeah.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: They put themselves there.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You submit yourself for the categories.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And The Bear knows that when they submit in the comedy categories

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_01]: both for acting and for the show,

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_01]: they have a better chance of winning than if they go up against,

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, Shogun.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And I do think the reason why they won't switch,

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_05]: even if there is sort of this momentum, Kevin,

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_05]: of like now the Academy voters are like, actually,

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_05]: we're going to vote for comedy and comedy.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_05]: We're voting for hacks, whatever comes.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like Abbott Elementary is getting like that is going to be a show

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_05]: that in like five years, we're all going to be like,

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I can't believe it got lost in the mix here of like such

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_05]: it's such a terrific show.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_05]: It didn't it didn't win anything.

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_05]: The only thing I think that it has going against The Bear

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_05]: in terms of why it should,

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_05]: it doesn't need to switch because it won a bunch of these acting awards.

[00:12:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Eben Moss-Bachrach and Jeremy Ellen White and Lisa Colanzay

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_05]: has all won for either supporting or lead actor.

[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_05]: And so why would they switch?

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_05]: So I think next year we're going to go through the whole routine again.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I think season three is the best example of why The Bear isn't a comedy

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_05]: and it will probably remain a comedy.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Any other surprises for you, Taryn,

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_05]: in terms of like the did you watch the show?

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought I thought the show was pretty like innocuous.

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it did any.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_05]: It didn't really do anything wrong.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_05]: And it also I don't feel like there was like a super standout moment

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_05]: in terms of like the structure of it.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought the host were fine.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Eugene Dan Levy, I love them.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_05]: We got a Schitt's Creek reunion.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Like overall, it was pretty like inoffensive ceremony.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I did not get to watch the show.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_04]: It was on at the same time as Big Brother.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And I tried to watch it just for the sake of it for this podcast,

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_04]: but I actually couldn't figure out how to watch it very easily.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, viewership was up.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_05]: So you might not watch it, but viewership was up.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_05]: It sort of breaks the streak of the Academy Awards having like record lows.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's up by like I think a couple million people.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I think like six point something million people watched the Emmys.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_05]: So it is it is up.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know that I can explain it other than that.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Like the last one we just had was at a weird time of the year

[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_05]: that you normally wouldn't have the Emmys.

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what people were like gravitating to this show for,

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_05]: but the numbers were up on this show.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it feels like the next generation.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it feels like it's been a while with it's such a fresh set of shows.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_04]: It felt, you know, Succession's gone now.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know, all of these other shows that were there for a while,

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_04]: even like Better Call Saul is a couple years gone.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_04]: But like not that that was super successful at the Emmys,

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_04]: but like all of these like tentpole shows,

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I think are kind of gone away.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And so you have this like next generation with its fallout

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and it's Shogun and all of this stuff.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_04]: So I think maybe there's some of that there,

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_04]: if there was a little more interest.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Only Murderers is like the old one on the block now.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And Grace, you said that you found the levies like generally, you know, fine.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I think generally fine is actually hard to do in a big way.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And if people walk away from you hosting an award show being like,

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_01]: that was pretty good.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a win.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And then obviously they have nice, really, really, really,

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_01]: really good chemistry.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And I prefer a two hander if both of them are playing off each other.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought they did a good job of that.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, pretty good.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I did like DeFerro Wu in the tie.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_05]: He was nominated for Best Supporting Actor for Reservation Dogs,

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_05]: made a powerful, first time he's ever been to the Emmys,

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_05]: just put a like a red hand over his mouth,

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_05]: which is a symbol for missing and murdered indigenous women.

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_05]: So making a statement.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_05]: And also that John Leguizamo's speech about Latinx representation

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and the future of representation in Hollywood was very,

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_05]: very strong.

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_05]: So these moments that were sort of like that thing was sort of like

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_05]: they just gave him the stage for like five, seven minutes to just speak on

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_05]: that I thought was pretty great.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Overall, it was a very good show that I don't know.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_05]: It has like, I don't think a lot of stuff going like viral for,

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think so. Right.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Like nothing went like viral, which again is also maybe.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really see much.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Like Steve Martin, Martin Short and Selena Gomez are great together.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they were fine.

[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. They did adventure.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, they should host.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. I'd watch the host, you know, but it was, it was fine.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. So overall a perfectly pleasant evening.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, speaking of baby reindeer winning,

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_04]: like Richard Gad also wins for best actor in limited series,

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_04]: which he's beating out the likes of like John Hamm and Andrew Scott and Tom

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Hollander and Matt Bomer.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So like that's a pretty impressive win for a guy who's like,

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, kind of a breakout role for him.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously he created the show as well,

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_04]: but I can't even be mad at it because he really was very impressive in that

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_04]: role. So I thought that was kind of fun.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. He won for, right.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I always kind of like when like someone wins for something and then they get

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_05]: like get a second speech and is it him?

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Who's like, I forgot to thank my parents last time.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_05]: That was very funny.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Kind of everything got a little bit of like a slow horses got to win last

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_05]: night for writing for a drama series,

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_05]: which I was quite happy about. Steve Zalian gets a directing for Ripley.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought, yeah, just overall baby reindeer as well wins,

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_04]: which I thought those are. Yeah, I think it's deserved.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was like surprise. I thought it was surprising.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_05]: The one I'm thinking is for me,

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_05]: the most surprising is I'm pretty surprised surprised that Lamorne Morris won

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_05]: for Fargo. I thought that was a pretty like there wasn't a lot to that role.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And I thought some of the other performances even from that show,

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_05]: including John Hamm's probably could have been too bad.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I love him. Kevin,

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_05]: this will be something that you and only other Canadians is going to relate to,

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_05]: which is Lamorne Morris has just been doing work on BMO commercials for like

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_05]: six years that have been actually delightful.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like when John Hamm was doing skip the dishes commercials.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know why we sometimes just get these like celebrities doing the

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_05]: commercials just for us, but kind of fun to see a little more Morris win.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_05]: But I don't know that I would have given him the award, but he did win.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_05]: So no.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_04]: All right. Well, we get into some, some TIFF business.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's do it.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. So do you want like, I just,

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_04]: you guys talked a little bit about, I want to like set this stage a little bit.

[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Like how did this come together? What was it like getting there, meeting up?

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Like give me a little bit of a painting here.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. So, I mean,

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm very fortunate that having worked on for our JP now I was able to,

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_05]: and Kevin, you were able to get,

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_05]: we were able to get press passes this year, which is very exciting.

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_05]: It means it sort of opens up a different world of TIFF for you because there's

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_05]: all of these extra screenings for movies that you can go to.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_05]: You also get to exchange some of you get like 10 vouchers to swap for public

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_05]: screening. So if you want to try to catch the premiere of a movie,

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_05]: so the P and I screenings have basically nobody like it's just press.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_05]: We just watched the movie and then we leave,

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_05]: which is quite nice from a timing thing at the public screenings,

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_05]: often the first or second screening as you sort of,

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_05]: as they sort of happen more and more people start to trickle out who've worked

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_05]: on the film. So typically a member of TIFF will intro the movie.

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And then let us know that like,

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_05]: and then someone typically like director will typically intro the movie very

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_05]: briefly. And then they'll do a Q and A afterwards.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_05]: And the bane of my existence is that I hate public Q and A's.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Aaron, I hate them so much.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's actually it was quite a delight to not have to sit through any of them

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_05]: this year. But Kevin and I just like, we planned out our schedule.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a whole app called TIFR that you can use to like map out your

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_05]: schedule for TIFF. You can use it, but if you're public or press,

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_05]: you can map out your schedule to make sure you get to see everything you want

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_05]: to see. It doesn't mean you get to see everything you want to see.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Even for us, like there was Monday morning, Kevin,

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I found very tough and it was being like,

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_05]: there's like three or four things I wanted to see.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And they were all the only press industry screenings.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_05]: So then you have to sort of like maneuver your schedule around then to figure

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_05]: out if you can like catch a thing. And especially tough,

[00:19:59] [SPEAKER_05]: if something wasn't on your radar.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And then as you're talking with people,

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_05]: because this is my favorite activity, which is I'm in line.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And I say, I say, the person I say, what have you seen? That's good.

[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And they say, Oh, have you seen this movie? I'm like, no, I haven't.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And I hadn't even heard of it.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Then you have to try to maneuver your whole schedule around to try to fit in

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_05]: that movie. Kevin and I met each other, I believe at our,

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_05]: both of our first movies of the day, 9am on Thursday at the shrouds,

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_05]: the David Cronenberg Toronto based movie, which we,

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I think we both thought was a bit of a disappointment, but it was very Toronto.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_05]: So it was a fun first movie to watch.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was good to get started together. Cause, cause then you see,

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_01]: it's almost, it's almost like a music festival. You know, you're,

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_01]: you're finding the bands you like and what you want to go see and what you

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_01]: think might be good. And then you discover things.

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And TIF is really this sort of unique balance where can is like a really,

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_01]: really high brow one. And TIF is a lot of business happens.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of also just, just, you know,

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_01]: people from the industry are covering these films.

[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So you get this really unique blend it's technically called the people's film

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_01]: festival. TIF does like to welcome people to the festival,

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's this interesting balance.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So probably a good place to start is the TIF people's choice award,

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_01]: which 13,

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_01]: the last 13 years has been nominated for best picture.

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So TIF kind of coronates this film and then goes from there.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: The second runner up was a Nora.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll go into the first runner up was Emilia Perez and the film that one is

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: called life of Chuck.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. I mean, TIF yeah.

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_05]: It being a people's festival is that TIF has a reputation for being a very

[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_05]: mainstream public audience festival compared to, I think some of these,

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_05]: as Kevin was saying,

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_05]: these other ones are either high brow or like how you ride or Sundance are

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_05]: very like independent, like focus.

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And premiere is black tie.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Whereas this is like you people just show up for these, for these movies.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_05]: And then it's the people's choice. And it's this indicator.

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that if a movie is successful at TIF,

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_05]: it can ride this momentum of being a very popular choice to be,

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_05]: to be an Oscar contender or to have just block like,

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_05]: like box office success to the point where I think this is very interesting.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_05]: TIF has actually for next year started to expand their buyers market.

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_05]: And what that means,

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Taryn is that movies are coming without distribution,

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_05]: hoping to get bought at TIF.

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And because I think TIF lends itself to being a festival that if you can get

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_05]: success, if you have success and buzz at TIF,

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_05]: then that becomes a movie that net distributors might want to buy.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_05]: And so I think really interesting from this year, for me,

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_05]: a bit of a theme is that the life of Chuck does not have distribution and yet

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_05]: it won the people's choice. So it didn't have a lot of like backing or like,

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_05]: it wasn't, it didn't have people like, you know,

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_05]: like press inviting you to them as much because it doesn't have distribution,

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_05]: but it became so popular that it will likely now get a really good

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_05]: distribution deal by whoever decides to buy it.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And then it has a good chance of then potentially being an Oscar nom and the

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_05]: opening night film was Nutcrackers,

[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_05]: which is a Ben Stiller like Christmas movie.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_05]: And everyone I talked to was like,

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_05]: what a weird choice for an opening night movie.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_05]: It also didn't have distribution and it got bought at TIF.

[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_05]: So I think TIF is setting itself up to be a place where movies will come to

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Toronto in hopes to be bought in hopes of catching on at Toronto in terms of

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_05]: getting some buzz and riding that out to either a sale or, you know,

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_05]: box office buzz throughout the fall or new year.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that makes sense. I think, uh, you know,

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_04]: it's a good testing ground, I guess, especially if, uh,

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_04]: it tends to be fairly predictive of a future Oscar success at the very least,

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_04]: if people are enjoying it at TIF.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_05]: So what I will say though, Kevin, I don't know if you agree,

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_05]: but there is also this,

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_05]: there can sometimes be a little bit of a TIF backlash to the eventual winner.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_05]: So Green Book was a movie that won People's Choice in Toronto and then kind

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_05]: of like, you know, it did get, it won.

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_05]: It won Best Picture.

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_05]: But there was a backlash of like, like critically,

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_05]: sometimes the movies that win are not always actually the critically acclaimed

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_05]: movies. So Toronto does have this idea of like being, um,

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_05]: a little bit of an audience. This is like the Rotten Tomatoes score.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Like it will have a high audience score, but maybe sometimes a low critics score.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I mean, we should start with Life of Chuck.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, I think it's a big surprise.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_05]: The one it's Mike Flanagan movie,

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_05]: it's a Stephen King adaptation and it's not one of Stephen King's like horror

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_05]: scary movies. It's more of one of, you know, a little bit of a lighter story.

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_05]: It does have some elements of like,

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_05]: that are like about like grief and sadness and whatever it's told sort of

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_05]: non-linearly there's like three acts in each one goes back in time actually to

[00:24:34] [SPEAKER_05]: then like unveil more of the story. I really enjoyed it.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_05]: What did you think of Life of Chuck?

[00:24:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So Mike Flanagan, if, if we're making the bridge from TV here,

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Mike Flanagan has done these amazing Netflix series, uh,

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_01]: The Haunting of Hill House, The Fall of the House of Usher, other ones.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's making his return. This is first non Netflix project in a while.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Who knows? They might be trying to buy it from him right now.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Life of Chuck was one I walked out of being like, that was a really fun movie.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think it just has mass appeal.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's one of those things that you could watch at any age with any

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_01]: interest. It is 0% scary. There might be a little bit of a ghost story,

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: but if you're looking for a horror Mike Flanagan,

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_01]: this is absolutely not it, but it was crowd pleasing and fun and a good time.

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And has the best dance scene in the history of cinema, uh,

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_01]: unseating ex-Mackinac in my opinion.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh yeah. I mean, so the interesting thing about Mike Flanagan,

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_04]: he's been in the horror genre for a long time.

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that is just his bread and butter. He does a lot of that.

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, but I do think there's a through line through his Netflix series,

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_04]: starting from how hunting, uh, Hill house to, you know, uh,

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_04]: midnight mass and so on. We're like part of what makes those,

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_04]: and it followed house of Usher even like what makes those shows interesting is

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_04]: that they are like horror, but almost more drama than horror at times.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And you can, I think,

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_04]: see progression getting more and more drama focused than horror focused in

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_04]: those shows while still retaining that energy of like fantasy and

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_04]: horror-ish bits.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's not super surprising to me that this is like a space that he goes in

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_04]: where it's like, it's a Stephen King adaptation,

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_04]: but not specifically horror more leaning into the drama angle.

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_04]: It sounds like I have not read this particular novella. Um, but, uh,

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_04]: but that tracks for me. Now I will say my thing about Flanagan is that I thought

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_04]: the best combination of those shows on Netflix,

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_04]: my favorite was haunting a pill house. The first one, uh,

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I liked that it was large, like it was still very drama,

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_04]: but there was also like really intense horror elements. Um,

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_04]: and I've personally felt like the deeper he goes into like midnight mass and

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_04]: like every single episode, there's like five different monologues, uh,

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_04]: and you know, uh, so on and so forth,

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I start to get a little too Flanagan out. Uh,

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_04]: we go too deep into the Flanagan of it all. Uh, how did,

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_04]: how did life of Chuck feel in that regard? Was it, uh, if,

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_04]: if you had to compare it to like where his shows stand,

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_05]: That's pretty, I mean, I, I, I like midnight mass,

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_05]: but I think that that's for me that the concept of it was so appealing of what

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_05]: it's saying. That's one that I think like people shouldn't go into that show.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_05]: If you still have not seen it and it's a very good time to watch it as we head

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_05]: into the fall, um, don't look up anything about it.

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Cause I think that's like the best part of it. Um, yeah,

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_05]: it's funny cause this definitely has,

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_05]: this is like the most minimalist supernaturally set,

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_05]: like Kevin said, like there was a little bit of a ghost story in here.

[00:27:51] [SPEAKER_05]: It's so minimal. Um,

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_05]: the thing that I think he's almost doing more Kevin tell me if you agree or

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_05]: disagree is that rather than like the horror, which is, it's not that it's,

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_05]: it's not horror,

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_05]: but the supernatural stuff that's in there is almost secondary to the other

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_05]: mechanism that he's using, which is like time and narration.

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And so he split this movie up into three acts. And as I said,

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_05]: you move backwards. So as you, the first one, um,

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_05]: almost feels the most disconnected. And, and when you're into act two,

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, how is this the same movie?

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think it is a credit to find again that by the end of the movie,

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_05]: you're like, Oh, it's a complete picture. It makes it,

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_05]: it makes a lot of sense. And that's what he is using. I would say, I,

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I think if you're looking for one where people aren't doing a lot of monologues,

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_05]: I would argue the life of Chuck, maybe not be, but, but it's different.

[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I gotta go with your meat because it is different, but, um, I don't know,

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Kevin, does that make sense? I feel like rather than supernatural,

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_05]: he's using time to essentially as his sort of like,

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_05]: that's his mechanism,

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_05]: which he's trying to tell the story in a way that I think is like interesting

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_05]: and compelling and honestly a very like uplifting story with,

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_05]: with a lot of like, uh, some interesting stuff going on.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. Yeah. I think he goes full Flanagan, but not in an annoying way.

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And what I mean by that is he does use some sort of different elements in that

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: there are some monologues in this. In fact, one that if it's,

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_01]: it's unlikely to get too many acting knobs,

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_01]: but the one name I've heard thrown around is Mark Hamill as a supported actor

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_01]: for his, he,

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: he plays Chuck's grandfather for a monologue that he gives,

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_01]: which is a Flanagan monologue. And you could be like, Oh, this is cheesy.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a lot, but it does kind of hit. It is accessible.

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the thing. The monologues are good monologues.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just like when I watched midnight mass and every episode had at least

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_04]: two.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I have good news there. And this is 110 minutes.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Right? That was, that was the point I was going to make,

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_04]: which is that I think that my assumption is he has honed his skills in

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_04]: television and that if he applies that to a very tight film,

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like this could be, I could really, I,

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_04]: this has all the pieces,

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_04]: all the ingredients for me to really like it and people are enjoying it.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm definitely excited.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Also there's one thing about the life of Chuck, which is if like it,

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_05]: it does have obviously, you know,

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_05]: it has Tom Hiddleston playing Chuck as Mark Hamill in there.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Mark Hamill was just in the fall of house.

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_05]: If you like the cast and crew of people who appear in Mike Flanagan shows,

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_05]: you will like the life of Chuck because surprise, surprise.

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_05]: They all show up in this movie. He's basically, he is a very loyal director

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_05]: for the crew of people who have worked with him for the past few years

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_05]: narrated by Nick Offerman, which is kind of funny.

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a pretty soothing voice throughout and doesn't do the annoying thing

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_05]: where the narration is only at the beginning and then maybe a little bit at

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_05]: the end fully narrated throughout. So it's very hard to dislike this film.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very, very hard to dislike this film.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to be a cold hearted monster to dislike this thing.

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I will say the person in front of me at the screening,

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_05]: it was the last movie I saw, which was a total coincidence.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I did not think it was going to win people's choice.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I just had already bought my, got my ticket.

[00:31:07] [SPEAKER_05]: It was the last movie I saw. A guy in front of me turned around.

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_05]: We had been talking before the movie. He said, I don't really see the appeal.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, and he had watched 50 movies.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, maybe you're movied out, man.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_01]: At some point your film comprehension goes downhill, you know,

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: or he's a cold hearted monster.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. So, so this Life of Chuck won the people's choice award.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Was it your people's choice?

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_05]: No, it wouldn't have been my people's choice. Do you want to jump to,

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_05]: my people's choice would have been the one that came up,

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_05]: came in third, which is a Nora.

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think I kept feeling like I was being so basic because

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Nora had won at camp and it is a Sean Baker film.

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_05]: He did the Florida project. If you know, he sort of has a style.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_05]: It is for me, the best film I saw at TIFF.

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_05]: It's about Nora, our main character who works at a,

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_05]: at a venue where she delivers lap dances and she sort of gets swept off her

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_05]: feet by the son of a Russian oligarch.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's essentially the plot of the movie.

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And I won't tell you any more because it goes on from there,

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_05]: but it just gets to there.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_05]: It's somehow so tense and anxious throughout a lot of the film while also

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_05]: being so funny for me, like the whole, the whole movie.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's a very, very funny movie. I think it's incredibly well-written.

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_05]: It's, it's really, really good. It came third.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I do think like you can see,

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I think where it gets bumped down at TIFF just because it's not quite so like

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_05]: it's not as broad. I think Kevin, if you agree with me or not,

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_05]: like Life of Chuck sort of has this like happy ending thing going for,

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_05]: it's a movie about finding joy. This is not that.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I still think it's quite incredible. It's very good. And it definitely,

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I think we'll get nominated for best picture with the coming out again.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_05]: And Mikey Madison, who's the lead,

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I think has a tremendous shot at being nominated if not winning for lead

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_05]: actress. But did you catch Nora?

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Kevin, I can't remember if we chatted about it.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So Nora was my number one most anticipated. I was so excited.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It won this award at Cannes. I love Sean Baker.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I had seen Mikey Madison and FX's Better Things. And I was like,

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_01]: let me go watch this person become a star.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I gave it four and a half out of five stars because I was just so excited

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: going into it. It just didn't take me that top, top, top level.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I need to go again. I absolutely loved it. It is so much fun at the movies.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It is funny. It is intense. It is dramatic. However, yeah, it's, this,

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_01]: this is an, what I can only assume is it R-rated film. Like this is a pretty,

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_01]: pretty intense high volume. Like things get very, very crazy.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Go see it in a theater, go enjoy it. Was it my people's choice vote? No.

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it incredible? Is it going to be in the mix and award season? Yes.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I, uh, I too am a Sean Baker fan. Um,

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought like for me, I was kind of like introduced to him.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I assume most were, uh, with Florida Project. Um,

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_04]: and I'm sure that they're Sean Baker fans. How dare you? But, uh, that's,

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_04]: that's where I became familiar with them. And I, I really enjoyed Florida Project,

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_04]: but, uh, but I would say, actually,

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I should say I appreciated it more than I enjoyed it. Um, like it,

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_04]: it definitely hit something,

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_04]: but I wasn't like super entertained the whole way through. Uh,

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_04]: then I saw Red Rocket and I loved it. I really,

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I thought that hit the balance exactly right in terms of like saying what he's

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_04]: trying to say,

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_04]: having the vibe of like a Florida Project while retaining the entertainment

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_04]: value and keeping me super invested the whole way through.

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I really enjoyed that movie. Uh,

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_04]: so I'm definitely excited to see what, uh, a Nora brings. Um,

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_04]: it sounds to me from what you guys are saying that it's probably more Red

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Rocket than Florida Project.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_04]: If you had to compare it to previous movies in that it is fairly gripping.

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Cool. Um,

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_05]: the thing I think it has going for it is that it's an American film that won

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_05]: the Palm door. So like last year that was, uh,

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_05]: it wasn't was Triangle of Sadness last year. I don't think so.

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe there's a year before, but, um, was last year the Anatomy of a Fall?

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. Last year was Anatomy of a Fall.

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I feel like an American film winning. I feel, cause like,

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like what's been happening is like those films that can win the Palm

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_05]: door often I'm getting like nominated for best picture, but don't win.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_05]: But there is this thing of like a Nora being an American film and winning the

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Palm door that feels like it can, but the last one was Tree of Life.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And then I think like Palm in America, you know,

[00:35:41] [SPEAKER_05]: that's the last American film that won the Palm door.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: What? 2011?

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_05]: 2011. Yeah.

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we can lock in a Nora as a best picture now.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, what was your, then what was your vote for people's choice, Kevin?

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I did vote strategically, but my, my,

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_01]: my favorite film was was Hard Truths, which is a Mike Lee film.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_01]: He reunites with Marianne Jean Baptiste who he did Secrets and Lies with in

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_01]: 1996. This is just a family drama.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_01]: The way Mike Lee makes films is he gets his actors together and basically gets

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_01]: them to improvise. And this performance that, that, uh,

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Marianne gives is one of the best I've ever seen in, at the movies. Um,

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_01]: it is this angry, hateful character and you absolutely love her.

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It is both maybe the funniest film I saw at the festival and the most

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: poignant I'm obsessed with it. It's a quick watch. Uh,

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the release situation is, but it's, it, it blew me away.

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be released in early December.

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_04]: The, uh, I'm,

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm seeing at least one tagline as sort of like a synopsis of the film.

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_04]: And, uh, I gotta say it's,

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it's doing itself any favors. It says ongoing exploration of the

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_04]: contemporary world with a tragic comic study of human strengths and weaknesses.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: If you like a character drama, this is it.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I trust you.

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I watched a Guy Madden film at TIFF called Rumors,

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_05]: which is a satire on the G7 where basically the seven leaders are coming.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_05]: There's like a existential apocalypse happening and they have,

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_05]: they're drafting a statement. That's the common comedic premise is they just,

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_05]: to get together draft seven and they basically create things just like you

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_05]: said, the economic burden of the world, you know,

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_05]: shall be placed on that, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I did, I did vote. I did vote for Amelia Perez. Okay.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about Amelia press, which was the runner up.

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Amelia Perez is a film about it is a,

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_01]: let me see if I get this right.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_01]: A French produced Spanish speaking film, uh,

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_01]: about a criminal lawyer in Mexico city played by Zoe Saldana,

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_01]: um, who gets approached by a Mexican drug Lord who wants to transition in

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_01]: secret. It is also a musical.

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So there is a lot going on in this film.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it does everything like 50 to 70%,

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_01]: but it does so many things that I really enjoyed it.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. So this was the, for me, the buzz of the festival, it was like, you know,

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_05]: it was like Amelia Perez has been blank.

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_05]: They added showings near the end of it. That's typically a sign that it's going,

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_05]: it's getting votes for people's choice because they add showings to things.

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Um,

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I did not have it lined up and couldn't figure out a time to do it.

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_05]: And my schedule opened up or on a Thursday night I was able to go see it.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I want people to make more movies like Amelia Perez.

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I want them to keep taking gigantic swings swings. It's a French,

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_05]: it's a Spanish language, French musical crime comedy is what it is.

[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And Selena Gomez is pretty incredible in it.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_05]: She plays like the wife of the drug cartel leader.

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I kept seeing some people say like,

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_05]: there's a little bit of like missed out fire energy. Like I just,

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I just want people to keep trying the first, I will say the first 15 minutes.

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was like, Oh my God, we, this is incredible. This is good.

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_05]: We get a musical number from Zoe Saldana.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought basically after that, the movie does not work for me at all.

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_05]: And in times I actually think the movie is a little bit transphobic.

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I think in my opinion,

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_05]: there's some dialogue and some scenes that I think are actively kind of

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_05]: backwards in terms of representation for trans people.

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_05]: But I am so happy this one because I love the conversation about it.

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I love that people are going to see it.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_05]: It immediately got like bumped up in terms of people think that this could be

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_05]: nominated for for an Oscar, for an Oscar.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_05]: That's amazing. It didn't work for me. I have critiques about the movie,

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_05]: but I want people to make more of these movies because this is such a swing and

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_05]: is so interesting. And so Amelia Perez, and it comes out on Netflix,

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I think later this month and about a month, I believe.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_05]: So people can check it out pretty soon. Oh, November 13th is when it drops on

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Netflix. So yeah, not too long.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_01]: There is so much going on and it has a lot of problems.

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just absurd.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's absurd. So Grace, how do you feel about

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Zoe Saldana, Kara Sofia Gascon who plays the drug lord,

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Selena Gomez? And I think one other person, Adriana Paz shared the best

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_01]: actress award at Cannes. They're all getting specifically,

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Carla's getting some like Oscar hype. Are you for it?

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm totally for it. For me, it's like there are these little things.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_05]: When people watch it,

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_05]: there is just a way in which the trans journey is both sensationalized and for

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_05]: a movie where Amelia Perez is the name of the gentleman, it's her story.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_05]: She is also then not like the central person of the story.

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_05]: And so that's a little bit of my problem,

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_05]: but I don't blame Kara Sofia Gascon for taking on this incredible role.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a role that likely could get her, maybe an actress nod.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Selena Gomez too, and I think Anne Zoe Saldana,

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_05]: they all could be in the mix here. I don't think they all will get nominated,

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_05]: but for there to be representation and for her to then be able to take on other

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_05]: roles and be able to say other things, this is fantastic.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_05]: This movie was made. I think the performances are great.

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_05]: The music is actually like mostly pretty great.

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_05]: There's like mostly every musical number. I'm like, this is incredible.

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think I've really watched a ton of,

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_05]: like I feel like the style of it is so unique and I'm kind of excited for

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_05]: people to check it out.

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_05]: So I think a lot of the stuff about why this is working for people works for

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_05]: me. And I just have this like massive piece of the movie that I'm like,

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I wish this was done differently. Not, not this movie shouldn't have been made.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Cool. And I think you're right.

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the characters, especially

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Emilia Perez could be developed way more with a lot more nuance.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just doing so much at once.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like watching a very, I don't know,

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_01]: a very entertaining train wreck.

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Interesting enough. I'm also familiar with this director.

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Although I could not tell you exactly how to pronounce his name, Jacques.

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_04]: He won the Palm door too. He's a, yeah, he's a big,

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know that I knew him,

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_04]: but he made a movie that I loved back in 2009, A Prophet.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was nominated for best foreign film in 2010 for the Oscars.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Very good movie. Although I watched it a very long time ago and I only vaguely

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_04]: remember that I really liked it,

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_04]: but exciting to see somebody that clearly has a good track record for me at

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_04]: least making a movie that people are enjoying.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm honestly,

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to watch all three of these and I have high hopes for all three of

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_05]: them. Yeah. For me, I think the other,

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_05]: the one I was surprised actually didn't make it into people's choice.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Kevin, I don't know about you, but I feel like conclave had a chance.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I kept feeling like people thought conclave. This is the Vatican.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_05]: This is the movie about like picking a Pope. It's a fictionalized story,

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_05]: but it's about the Pope dies and then we're gonna do it.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_05]: It's basically a mystery thriller and it's almost basically a reverse murder

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_05]: mystery where essentially like they're trying to pick the Pope and there are

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_05]: all these people who could be the Pope. And over the course of the movie,

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_05]: the mechanizations of the thriller happened to basically like remove people

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_05]: from being the Pope.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And it has a wild ending and I am terrified that it's going to get leaked

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_05]: before the movie happens.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_05]: So do your best to not look up a single thing about conclave before conclave

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_05]: comes out. I thought that this was very, very good and very fun.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm kind of surprised it didn't place,

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_05]: although I can understand with the twist why it might not have,

[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_05]: but it really did work for me.

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like a succession and Da Vinci code child with quality somewhere

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_01]: in between the two. Like it's very, it's very good.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very interesting to watch. Ralph Fiennes gives an amazing performance.

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_01]: This I think has almost like wide appeal similar to Life of Chuck.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it just anybody could watch this and enjoy it.

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of fun, a lot of really good performances.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_04]: And another one directed by Edward Berger who,

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_04]: as well as a few different, very good TV shows like the terror,

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Deutschland 83. So good, good stuff there.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, Ralph Fiennes, Stanley Tucci, John Lithgow as the top three build.

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very good.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the absolute best actor candidate for the year.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, and Isabella Rossellini as well.

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_01]: She's probably there's, there's best supporting act for her as well.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Listen, I am adding to my list, right?

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_04]: You guys are a hit after hit for me right now.

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. I mean, I think for me, the other like hits are,

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_05]: we live in time is the Florence Pugh, Andrew Garfield, sort of rom-com.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_05]: That's been, I think like Twitter has sort of been a buzz about it.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was very good. I don't need to say too much.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I think like, you know, that's, it just is what it is.

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_05]: The other one that was content and I'm apologize to bring it up because I

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_05]: don't know that you, if you were managed to catch it, Kevin,

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_05]: but it's the brutalist. The brutalist is a movie that got up in this.

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I know, I know. I know.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So saying the press and industry screenings,

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_01]: you could just get into any of them.

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I got to the brutalist an hour early and I didn't make it in.

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's a three and a half hour.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_04]: 35 minutes.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. It is.

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Brady Corbett who won at Venice for best director for this.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_05]: The straight happens. Adrian Brody.

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_05]: He plays a Jewish man fleeing Hungary after world war two.

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_05]: He's an architect and essentially it's a story of like, you know,

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_05]: leaving like fleeing fascism only to end up at a place that like might

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_05]: also not love you. You know, it's not necessarily this like place of freedom.

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I think we're going to see over the next little while.

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I saw a lot of films that were about basically like anti-fascist movies

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_05]: that I think like it makes sense that 2016 onwards we would start to get

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_05]: people thinking about ideas, having time COVID delaying a lot of these

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_05]: things and for them finally to like kind of be coming to fruition.

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I think we're going to see a bunch of them.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_05]: This is probably like the biggest it's like three and a half hours.

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_05]: It's on 70 millimeters.

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_05]: There is a 15 minute intermission that's built into the movie.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_05]: So that's something we'll see.

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was incredible.

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know that I need to be like, you know,

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought the director was a little bit like he did the Q and a and I

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of got annoyed with him because he was like,

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just out here saving art, man.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And I wanted to be like,

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I also think there's like there's a place for like the little New Zealand

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_05]: romcom or a coming of age movie I saw called the mountain, which I loved.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_05]: There's like there's a place for all of this stuff and I'm delighted that I

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_05]: get to go watch the Brutalist for three and a half hours.

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Not everyone is going to and also I don't think it's going to save cinema,

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_05]: but I thought this was pretty incredible and it will have probably in the

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_05]: conversation for being nominated for best picture and Adrian Brody,

[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Guy Pearce probably certainly in the running to be nominated for for an

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_05]: acting nod.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, but it's a three and a half hour movie.

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, the director looks like he was primarily an actor for a while and

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm looking at like the list of movies.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_04]: He was in funny games Melancholia.

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Like yeah, he's definitely an indie guy.

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_04]: You definitely yeah, listen good movies.

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good news bought by a 24 after the gain a lot of hype.

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean this is I think I think we're going to see this wedding a lot of

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_01]: awards and not doing too well financially.

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean three and a half hours is I'm not going to lie probably not

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_04]: going to watch that in theaters.

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go I'm going to go in 70 millimeter in theaters at least once,

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_01]: but that's me.

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I said I know somebody who's twice.

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Is it like a visual movie like that?

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean it does have this like it does have this like rainy dark like

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_05]: it's not like bright like I mean the idea is like you coming 19 for you know

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_05]: 1940s 1950s America like the American dream but like is it actually true?

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of like that feeling in it.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_05]: So like, you know, but it's about an architect is very interesting thing

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_05]: about like he's building something building a building is like the intricacies

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_05]: and shots of that are very interesting.

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_05]: It is visually very compelling, but it's three and a half hours.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Is there anything like the one thing I would say Kevin it I liked it,

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_05]: but I think is a ends up being a little bit of a disappointment coming out

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_05]: of Tiff is probably Saturday night, which is the movie comes up very soon.

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_05]: About the 90 minutes before the first episode Saturday Night Live.

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_05]: This is Justin right men who did like Juno.

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought this one for sure was just going to be like at least place for

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_05]: People's Choice and it didn't which feels like that's a bad omen for the movie

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_05]: for me as somebody who loves SNL this movie was really really fun.

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_05]: And even for me, it's like it was almost incredible.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like I see all the ways in which like this could have been really

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_05]: compelling and yet I don't think it totally pulled off what it was going for.

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I also think constraining himself to 90 minutes before the episode was a bit

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_05]: of a mistake.

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that there's like more interesting stuff to do with this content

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_05]: that he constrains himself to for an outcome what that we know works

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_05]: like we know the show becomes a mega hit and the whole thing is predicated on

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_05]: like is it going to work? We'll see.

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_05]: And other movies have done that successfully like, you know, the outcome

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_05]: and they're still an incredible ride.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought this was very fun, but it just doesn't like all quite come together

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_05]: for a movie that I think had high hopes of playing at Tiff for the reasons

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_05]: we talked about up front and kind of comes out of Tiff with maybe a little bit

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_05]: of a like a dent in the armor.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm going to do the thing felt like an SNL sketch.

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I was so excited for this.

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_01]: One of my favorite books of all time is Life from New York, the oral history

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_01]: of SNL.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I have a lot of trouble with films where the main character isn't really

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_01]: a main character like there is so much going on here.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It is a very tight script.

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It is entertaining.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that it really said anything.

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Gabriel Labelle who his start in The Fablemans is Lorne Michaels and he's

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_01]: great in it.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just it doesn't really deliver anything new other than a little intensity

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_01]: like are they going to make it to showtime?

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_01]: We know they are.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't I didn't feel there are a lot of Easter eggs like it's I love comedy.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I love the history of comedy.

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I just left not not feeling anything special and that was very,

[00:51:00] [SPEAKER_01]: very upset for me Rachel sent it to Queen though.

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like this I watch so many movies Kevin where I was like movie was bad,

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_05]: but I got this incredible performance from insert amazing female actress like

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_05]: that's why I had got all festival was like yeah,

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't really like riffraff but Jennifer Coolidge was amazing.

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't really like rumors but Cate Blanchett was amazing.

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't really like Saturday Night, but Rachel sounded as amazing.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_05]: You know just kept happening to me there.

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Is there anything else you want to know about TIFT or anything anything

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_04]: anything else you have any burning other movie Kevin any other any other things

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_04]: to look out for here?

[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be yeah, I'll give you some quick ones.

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_01]: One is so wild robots coming out in a couple weeks.

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to look at a lot of hype great animated film.

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_01]: How about flow flow is a film from Guinness Zabalotis.

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, before you do this Kevin can I say one thing there was a commercial at the

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_05]: front of every public screening Taron where it was a commercial from the

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_05]: presenting sponsor of TIFT which is Rogers and it was it was it was a joke

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_05]: about people who went to TIFT and so they would be like I really thought it

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_05]: was a take on new Balkan cinema or like I thought it was like, you know,

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_05]: it's it's a bit derivative of a Catherine Brey.

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I felt like basically all of these like cinema film like cinephile a cinephile

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_05]: madlib sentences they would do that and I feel like I've heard such amazing

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_05]: things about this movie Kevin is going to talk about but he's going to explain

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_05]: to you why it's good and he's going to sound exactly like the people who are

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_05]: in the commercial.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to make this really accessible.

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I can do the same thing.

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I can do the same thing with like seven of the movies.

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I like so like this is not an image is for flow and it's a cute cat.

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_04]: It kind of looks like it does it kind of look like it's your perfect film.

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so there's also no dialogue.

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_01]: This film is just animated.

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It's this Latvian auteur this guy made his last you're sounding like it's a

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_05]: silent dialogue Latvian animated film about a cat.

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It's this dude who makes cool animated movies and got some collab.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_01]: He got some people to work with on this one and it's a post-apocalyptic world.

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It's under 90 minutes.

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no dialogue and it's just about a cat exploring after a flood and it's

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_01]: like if you this is going to be a reference it's gonna hit for some there's

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_01]: this game journey on PlayStation 2 where you would just walk it is that in a

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_01]: film and it is such a special experience that really, really, really hit for me.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_05]: That was not a can I promise I was not trying to insult you and if you got me

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_05]: good, you got it, but it's like I have them to where I'm like, you know what?

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I really love.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I love that.

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, you know that Norwegian like we're cinema, you know, yeah, I'm

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_01]: really plays with the camera and presents him and David Koepp are masters of

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_01]: their art and in less deft hands.

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_05]: They want to know what of my favorite movies was an Italian queer film from

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Giovanni Toto Ricci about a boy who's 19 and falls in love with the 19th

[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_05]: century moralistic Italian literature.

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_05]: What I favor.

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, we all do it.

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm disappointed.

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I hate it.

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Luca Guadagno's queer is new.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_01]: His new film just didn't do it for me.

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Went off the rails.

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_01]: The challengers call me by her name director.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Leslie.

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Leslie Manville was really fun in it.

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I think is one thing.

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of movies, Kevin at TIF that were about to have falling in

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_05]: love with the twink ruins your life.

[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Queer being queer, queer being one of those movies.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I liked it.

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_05]: It's definitely a step that for me and like it feels more common by your

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_05]: name, obviously, than it does challengers.

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_05]: It's certainly a step below.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Call me by your name for me, but I still thought for me, it was quite good.

[00:54:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Listen, Luke, Luke has been hitting for me.

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I loved bones and all like, like it's.

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_04]: It's hard for him to miss for me.

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_05]: So this one is like, it's not quite as like grotesque, like, but there's

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_05]: like a bit of a weirdness, like where it is.

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like bones and all and call me by your name.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a little bit of like synergy.

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_05]: They're just not about cannibalism.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason why we read the work of the beats instead of watching

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_01]: movies that they made.

[00:55:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Like some of it doesn't didn't totally translate to film.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It's adapted.

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's fair.

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Very quickly.

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I liked Will and Harper coming to Netflix documentary about Will Ferrell

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_05]: going on a road trip with his friend Harper Steel, who is the head writer

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_05]: of SNL, who has since transitioned in the last few years.

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_05]: It is beautiful.

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_05]: It made me cry.

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_05]: It is what I Kevin saw that rated five stars.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I said it's a grace five stars because I think that it it like they're

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_05]: like Harper's like pulling thoughts out of my brain in terms of like

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_05]: the experience of being trans.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_05]: It's so beautiful at times compelling.

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Also, as America kind of folk music soundtrack, lovely comes up pretty

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_05]: soon on Netflix.

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Try that out.

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I managed to get into it.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, go ahead.

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I hate to be that person, but I think the key thing here is is it's

[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_01]: totally subjective.

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_01]: A grace five stars is amazing.

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_01]: We're giving you our thoughts.

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_01]: We're telling you about these films.

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Go out and see if you like them for yourself.

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And then I can manage to catch a screening of The Apprentice, the new

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Donald Trump movie that's coming out.

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought that was better than I could have expected.

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And Sebastian Stan and particularly Jeremy Strong are going to be in

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Oscar Best Actor conversations, particularly Jeremy Strong.

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_05]: He is incredible as Roy Cohn.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_05]: And then I thought Eden was very fun.

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Eden is a new Ron Howard movie.

[00:56:22] [SPEAKER_05]: And I feel so vindicated.

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Ron Howard said the only reason he thought he can make this movie that

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_05]: he's had an idea for 15 years is because he realized that Survivor is

[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_05]: still immensely popular.

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_05]: And I feel incredibly vindicated for watching Survivor.

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_05]: He said between that and The White Lotus.

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And he and he also said the favorite he thought he could make this film.

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's incredible.

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's very fun.

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_05]: It's about people, Germans and after or during World War Two, just after

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_05]: World War Two, fleeing to Galapagos Island.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_05]: One guy trying to live by himself, Jude Law, and then a bunch of other

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Germans follow him.

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_05]: It's fun.

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_01]: How about how about some genres?

[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Comedy, friendship, the Tim Robinson Paul Rudd is, I will say,

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_01]: hilarious and I mean it.

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Horror, heretic.

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Hugh Grant is up there with the most terrifying people ever and sci-fi.

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_01]: The assessment.

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_05]: That's fun.

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_05]: The assessment weird movie about a there's a test in the you have in the

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_05]: future because post-apocalyptic world, you have to take a test to see if

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_05]: you can have children.

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_05]: And it gets very strange and very weird.

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I like that as well.

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_05]: There's not a lot of didn't like it.

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And I didn't like the shrouds which talked about.

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't like luckiest man in America, which is about the whammy story.

[00:57:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Literally in the Q&A.

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Someone said what happens to the guy after the movie and the guy in the

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_05]: director is like, oh yeah, this is what happened.

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And it got an audible gas from the audience was like, oh dude, you picked

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_05]: the wrong thing to put the spotlight and the story that people are gasping

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_05]: about.

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_05]: And my other big miss for me is baby girl.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Nicole Kidman won for acting at Venice.

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I believe for this.

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I do not think this movie works, but it is going to be immensely popular

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_05]: because it's a little bit like BDSM reverse power dynamic.

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Nicole Kidman is the CEO of a company and Harris Dickinson is an intern at

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_05]: the company and they basically start having an affair, but it's like he's

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_05]: controlling her.

[00:58:14] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's like she's in the power dynamic, but then in the sexual relationship,

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_05]: he is the one in power and in control.

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And it did not work for me.

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_05]: And she won for best actor.

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't understand.

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_05]: But last and maybe the last thing I should leave you on Terran is I did

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_05]: watch two television shows.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_05]: While it's so I watched the listeners, which is from BBC.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_05]: It's coming out.

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't believe it has a release date officially in America yet, but I loved

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_05]: this.

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it is excellent.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_05]: It's about a woman who starts hearing a sound that nobody else can hear and

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_05]: her family doesn't really believe her and she's starting to lose her mind and

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_05]: she can't sleep and she eventually finds a support group of people who also

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_05]: can hear the noise.

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And I thought it was going to be like a sci-fi show and it's actually more

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_05]: about like conspiracy theories and how people who are vulnerable get like

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_05]: taken advantage of and what your brain is doing when you can hear noise.

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Nobody else.

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not I thought it was going to be like, we'll find out it's aliens or

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_05]: whatever.

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, I don't know that we don't.

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I only saw two episodes of the series, but that was very good.

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And then unfortunately, I saw an Australian comedy called thou shall not

[00:59:11] [SPEAKER_05]: steal.

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought could have been a whole lot better.

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't perfect, but I did watch TV at TIF too Terran.

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, listen, uh, that's a lot of stuff, but a lot of stuff.

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I know.

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_05]: And just to be the only thing that like throughout as stuff is coming out,

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll be like, oh, this is coming out and I saw it at TIF and you'll be annoyed

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_05]: how much I talk about TIF.

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_05]: But, uh, but yeah.

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_04]: What we should do is, uh,

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_04]: in the description for this video on YouTube,

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe put the list of recommended movies so that people can.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Kevin, do you have your letter?

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I've ranked mine on Letterboxd.

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I've ranked my 2024 TIF rankings, which I could link to.

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_05]: If people are interested in that.

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_05]: It does have some, some reviews.

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I think anything that is a spoiler I tagged as a spoiler in my reviews.

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_05]: So you should not be spoiled by reading my description.

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll share my Letterboxd.

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I have rankings.

[01:00:05] [SPEAKER_05]: That's okay.

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I will share it.

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, uh, listen, this is exciting.

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I, uh, I love these things.

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_04]: It makes me excited for future, uh, future movie viewing.

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_04]: It's also nice to have like an idea of things that are coming up, uh,

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_04]: to like, be like, okay, okay.

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I remember hearing about this one.

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_04]: This is supposed to be good.

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_05]: So it was very fun.

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I love talking with people about what their mood, their TIF.

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_05]: So if you're going to go to a festival,

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_05]: a lot of people have these like different strategies for what they should watch.

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Some people want to know if the big movie,

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_05]: they just go for like the big movie.

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_05]: So, uh, Night Bitch was a movie that played as Amy Adams,

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_05]: a movie about motherhood.

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_05]: And that was a big one.

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_05]: And it had a ton of screens and people are like trying to get tickets to go

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_05]: see Night Bitch.

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_05]: That's like the, there are other people who are like,

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I got to see all the Latvian films because they won't come back.

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, or they want, you know, they're like, they're,

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_05]: they're only checking out all of the little films that they know,

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_05]: like aren't coming to theaters in Toronto for like maybe ever again.

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_05]: So they check out that.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's really fun to chat with people about like what they saw.

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a ton of movies I didn't see that I am super.

[01:01:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Hundreds of movies.

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I would say the average quality of film was exceptionally high.

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what this year has.

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure there are that many game changing,

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: unbelievable films,

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: but I do think the average quality of movie coming out is really good.

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I would agree with that.

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's good because it means just like for me at least,

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_04]: like the chances of me finding something that really hits for me

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_04]: specifically is pretty high because there's like the level of qualities

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_04]: that again, that's, that's how I feel hearing you guys talk about this.

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Lots of directors that I recognize that have made movies that really loved

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_04]: in the past, uh, lots of like cool concepts.

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_04]: So like of all of these movies,

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like one of them is going to really land with me and I'm going to be

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_04]: really excited about it.

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Maybe the one animated Lafayette one about a cat.

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I've heard such good things about flow.

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I just to say is a incredibly well-received.

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I just tend not to pick the animated films and that's probably to my own

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_05]: detriment.

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a medium, not a genre.

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I know.

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I know.

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Um,

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Taryn, a lot of TV coming out this, this week.

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Uh,

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_05]: probably people can get an indication of what we will be covering on future

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_05]: episodes of the tastemakers.

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Um,

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_05]: the penguin premieres this Thursday dropping its first episode this

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Thursday.

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And then I believe waiting a week and a few days to then drop its second

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_05]: episode on September 29th,

[01:02:29] [SPEAKER_05]: which is the same night as the industry finale.

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I believe the industry,

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_05]: and let me just make sure I'm getting all of this correctly,

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_05]: just so I'm not talking out of my butt,

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_05]: but basically industry is going to be shifted back an hour.

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Um,

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_05]: which does seem bad at first,

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_05]: but I think actually makes a lot of sense.

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_05]: If you're in the middle of a season,

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_05]: you don't really need people to like tune.

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Like,

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_05]: so the worst thing that can happen here is like people go to bed instead of

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_05]: watching it because they can watch it an hour earlier than they could,

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_05]: but they'll just be a VR and watch it tomorrow.

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't think this is the worst thing.

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And also I think it feels backwards,

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_05]: but I think you're going to get a reverse like,

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_05]: um,

[01:03:03] [SPEAKER_05]: like paying people watch penguin.

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it should be pretty watchable.

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it has more mainstream appeal in industry.

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And then maybe people will like jump into an episode of industry,

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_05]: even if it's late in the season and be like,

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh,

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_05]: that's interesting.

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I get the lead in,

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_05]: right?

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_05]: This is a classic thing.

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it does make sense to like push industry back an hour and put

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_05]: penguin in the 9.

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_05]: P.M.

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Slot on Sunday night.

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I think,

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I think regardless,

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_04]: it makes sense because I think penguin is what they're going to be banking

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_04]: on to probably be a lot more popular than industry.

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Um,

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_04]: and,

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_04]: uh,

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_04]: and,

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think it's fine for industry.

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that like,

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_04]: you know,

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I,

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I think from what I've seen this season has been good.

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh,

[01:03:41] [SPEAKER_04]: and the,

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_04]: the ratings have been up.

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And,

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_04]: uh,

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_04]: so I think that,

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_04]: uh,

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: it's,

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_04]: it's not like it needs to like really,

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_04]: you know,

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_04]: slam dunk a finale.

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_05]: It has been good enough that the people who are watching industry will

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_05]: watch it when at whatever time it's on.

[01:03:57] [SPEAKER_05]: So I think that that's fine.

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I did.

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I did just see if I was right.

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Um,

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_05]: two episodes.

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_05]: So 22nd and 29th.

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_05]: So this upcoming Sunday and the Sunday after the penguin will air,

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_05]: but that's Sunday night is also the,

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_05]: it's a rerun of the episode that's airing on,

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_05]: on this Thursday.

[01:04:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Um,

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_05]: so the first two episodes of penguin,

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_05]: um,

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_05]: we'll be out and then,

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_05]: and then industry will be over and then it will just,

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_05]: that will just be the nine.

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_05]: There will be coverage here on,

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_05]: we know,

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_05]: uh,

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_05]: scripted TV,

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_05]: um,

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_05]: TBD on how exactly we'll be covering it,

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_05]: but I promise there'll be recaps of,

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_05]: um,

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_05]: the penguin.

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Um,

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_05]: we'll see if we do it for every episode or not,

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_05]: but,

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_05]: but that is,

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_05]: but that is,

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_05]: um,

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_05]: so that's excited.

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm hopeful.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Me too.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And then,

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_05]: uh,

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Agatha all along,

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_05]: uh,

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_05]: and actually Kevin,

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_05]: this is so fun.

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_05]: You and I sat,

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I had to leave early,

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_05]: but we sat in a panel for Agatha all along at FanX and saw the stars of the show,

[01:04:48] [SPEAKER_05]: uh,

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_05]: on a panel.

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I was going to ask you if they said anything interesting,

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_05]: um,

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_05]: after that,

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_05]: cause he didn't really say anything interesting while I was there.

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: The answer is no,

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: they,

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: the,

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_01]: the Marvel,

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_01]: uh,

[01:04:58] [SPEAKER_01]: muzzle was,

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: was clearly on,

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: but Jack Schaefer,

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: who's the show runner.

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I,

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I,

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I,

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I like her.

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: She was,

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: she was talking about how she came into the world for Black Widow,

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_01]: having not worked on Marvel before and brought her own spin.

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm,

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm faithful.

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: They basically said,

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: which they have to that the show is amazing and they're super excited,

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: but I,

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I,

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_01]: it sounded genuine.

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm a fool,

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: but it sounded genuine.

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: The panel was her,

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: um,

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Catherine Hahn and Joe Locke.

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's,

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: who's the,

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: who's the,

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: who's the name is teen in it.

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: In a secret role team.

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_05]: That's cause he's going to be someone I think,

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_05]: right?

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_05]: It's going to,

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_05]: he's going to,

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_05]: he has a name that they don't want people to know.

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_05]: He's a name up.

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't know enough about Marvel to tell you who he actually is.

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll find out.

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I do.

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I do.

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I,

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I,

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm hopeful for the show.

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I,

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_04]: that one is when I'm,

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm,

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a little skeptical of because,

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_04]: uh,

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_04]: you know,

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_04]: one division I thought was,

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_04]: half great and half generic.

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Um,

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_04]: and so I'm hoping that,

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_04]: uh,

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Agatha all along is the half great and not the half generic.

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: If you're not skeptical about this,

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_01]: there's something wrong with you.

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_05]: What do you mean?

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Marvel TV has been doing great.

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Secret Wars.

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Crazy.

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't watched since she hawk.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Another show that I follow.

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not exactly one I'd recommend,

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_04]: but if you're like,

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_04]: uh,

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_04]: if you're like me and you enjoyed like,

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_04]: the scifi channel original shows from like the two thousands,

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_04]: uh,

[01:06:36] [SPEAKER_04]: from is coming back for season three.

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Josh,

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a big fan of from yes.

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Josh loves from,

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_04]: uh,

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_04]: and I like from,

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_04]: uh,

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_04]: it's a very fun,

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_04]: like horror mystery show that has all of like the classic,

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: like sci-fi channel tropes of like cheap drama and,

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_04]: um,

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_04]: fun mysteries.

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And,

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_04]: uh,

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_04]: it's just a fun show.

[01:06:59] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just,

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_04]: it's just a good time.

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_04]: So,

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_04]: uh,

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah,

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_04]: that's,

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_04]: that's what I'm going to be watching at some point.

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_05]: At least I came back from watching all these movies and there's a lot of

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_05]: really good TV.

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I have to catch up on.

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I,

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_05]: um,

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_05]: one episode behind on rings of power,

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_05]: which I'll catch up before we chat about episode six,

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_05]: slow horses.

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Season two has been really fun.

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Taskmaster has returned.

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_05]: The old man has returned.

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I've been enjoying the English teacher on FX.

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_05]: A pretty good comedy that I think is like superb.

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Really?

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Um,

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I think it like was good from the first two episodes.

[01:07:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Um,

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_05]: only murders be good.

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I got a lot to catch up on.

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Well,

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's,

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_04]: that's what we have then for today.

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_04]: A packed episode of the taste makers.

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Lots of,

[01:07:40] [SPEAKER_04]: lots of stuff.

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course,

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_04]: we'll be back next week.

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Talk,

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_04]: uh,

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_04]: about some of these shows that are starting and,

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_04]: uh,

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_04]: you know,

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_04]: who knows,

[01:07:48] [SPEAKER_04]: who knows what else there's all kinds of things going on.

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh,

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_04]: so tune in next week.

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Make sure you,

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_04]: uh,

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_04]: jot all these movies down on your list so that you have an idea of

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_04]: what you might want to watch.

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_05]: And a letterbox to count and add them to your watch list.

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what you gotta do.

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_04]: You can certainly do that if you want.

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Um,

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a track guy.

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_04]: That's me.

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Fair.

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Well,

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_05]: add them to,

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah,

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_05]: add them to a watch list on whatever app you're using.

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_05]: The letterbox means you can chat with me about my,

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_05]: about your stuff.

[01:08:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh,

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Grace's letterbox will be in the show notes and mine too.

[01:08:24] [SPEAKER_04]: There you go.

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Um,

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_04]: so,

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_04]: uh,

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_04]: tune in for that next week.

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_04]: We will be continuing our rings of power coverage.

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh,

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Grace will be back.

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_04]: We'll be talking a very fun season of ring power so far.

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Uh,

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_04]: as,

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_04]: as noted industry will be wrapping up in the next couple of weeks as

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_04]: well.

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So keep up with that coverage.

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_04]: The penguin is coming soon.

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Lots of stuff,

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_04]: lots of stuff.

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And then we've got reality stuff to big brother circle,

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_04]: uh,

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_04]: survivor starting soon.

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Um,

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_04]: anything else?

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Grace?

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_04]: No,

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_04]: that's it for me.

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_04]: What about you?

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_04]: What are you,

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_04]: what do you got going on?

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're interested in the movie stuff,

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm at Kevin Ted Jacobs on Instagram and Tik TOK and everywhere,

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: but that's where I talk about movies.

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And then if you're in the reality TV game at all,

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: um,

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_01]: we have an RHAP and others newsletter.

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the players tribune where that's a bad reference.

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It's where,

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_01]: uh,

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_01]: people from reality shows tell you what's really happening on your favorite

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: shows.

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: You can find that reality tv newsletters.com.

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: We just heard another from Omar Zahir,

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: got a couple of cool folks lined up for the next two weeks.

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And,

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: uh,

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_01]: actually I'm going to,

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_01]: to the penguins Toronto premiere on Thursday.

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure I'll share my Instagram.

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_01]: What's what's going on there.

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Well,

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_04]: thank you all so much for joining us then here today.

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And we will see all of you next time.