Big Brother 7: A Weekly Big Brother Season Retrospective

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[00:00:45] Hello everyone and welcome back to the Big Brother Retrospective Podcast. I'm your host, Tarn Armstrong. Today, here to talk about the season. The one, the one that really defined the first true era of the show. It's Big Brother 7, All Stars. And with me to talk about it, a very special guest is Sharon Tharp. How you doing, Sharon?

[00:01:11] I'm great, Tarn. Thank you so much for picking a really good season for me to talk about. I'm very excited about this. Yes. So, of course, we were just talking about this podcast. Originally, we named it The Memory Wall. And then we were informed that you had already come up with the Memory Wall series. So now it's the Big Brother Retrospective. Out of respect, Sharon.

[00:01:36] I appreciate it. Although I will say it's not the most creative, you know, I didn't go that far to create that name. It's there's only so many options, Tarn. So we're all just stealing from Big Brother. Essentially. Expect the unexpected. Yeah. But we are here to talk about Big Brother All Stars. Big Brother, not the first show to do All Stars by any means.

[00:02:01] So stealing their own concepts. But but man, was this a star studded cast? An all star season before the era of like, I think. The all stars of Big Brother being much more reluctant to play Big Brother again. I think there were probably a couple of people that declined the invitation. I know Jason Guy was one of those people.

[00:02:26] But for the most part, you pretty much get everyone you ask for here in this first all stars season. And and on top of that, fan voted at least partially. So so a very, very like popular concept that I think would be fun to bring back to some degree. But I don't know if they would be able to. Yeah, I don't know. I always thought about that, too. I do kind of it's interesting that they said, hey, the producers picked six of these people because like we don't trust the fan vote completely.

[00:02:57] But but yeah, I think the cast is great and it was obviously made for a fun season. I would have loved to see maybe a couple of people in there that didn't get in. But yeah, I was pretty happy with the cast. Yeah. I mean, the reality is, if you ask the fans who they want back, you probably know who they're going to vote for before they vote for them. A hundred percent. Yeah. You're picking the 20 people they're voting for. So those people were already chosen. Yeah. Right.

[00:03:27] They had a good idea of who was going to be on this cast. Yep. Yep. But if anything, it might have been like a cheeky way of being like, look, we tried. Sorry. They didn't. They did extend it by two people. Right. Like it was originally supposed to be 12. And then I think it's 14. Yes. So, of course, rumor has it in part inspired by Dr. Will refusing to do it without.

[00:03:54] I wonder if that is true, which then creates a gender imbalance. So, like, you know, there's a lot of, lots of rumors, lots of behind the scenes stuff going on for Big Brother 7. Before we get too deep into it, though, I want to share the results of last week's poll survey for the top three contestants to be on the Big Brother 6 poster. Sharon, who do you think the audience voted for?

[00:04:22] Who are the, in order, one, two, three, who's on the poster for Big Brother 6? I gotta say Kaser. Gotta say Janelle. And Maggie? Oh, Janelle number one. Took that number one spot. Puyah was trying to get Kaser to the number one spot. Didn't happen. Kaser number two. Maggie on the poster number three. So, very close. Okay. I'd co-sign that. What a banger of a poster, too.

[00:04:52] Like, look at these posters. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. We're gonna have a hard time with this cast, though. I don't know. Yeah. All-stars is gonna be a tricky one. I mean, most of the time, the posters have included, like, the people that came back for All-stars. Maggie kind of sneaks in here above James and Howie. But for the most part, the audience is picking the All-stars. So once it's all All-stars, what do you do? Right. I don't know. We'll have to figure it out. All right.

[00:05:22] Well, let's talk about Big Brother All-stars. A historic season. I remember being a kid, mostly at the time, feeling like it's Kaser 3.0. Let's go. This was just another way to bring Kaser back for me. I know. Taryn, I listened last week to you and Pooja. At the same time, I was the same way.

[00:05:51] I was a Janelle and Kaser stan. I think what's interesting about this season is that I was rooting for them. But at the same time, you love to see what Will and Boogie are doing, right? And you love to see sort of the different factions. And so it was kind of nice that I wasn't necessarily rooting for one side versus the other. It was, like, really fun. It really was.

[00:06:12] And it was the sort of thing where over the course of the season, I, like, Will stole my Kaser fandom. Yep. Yep. I was like, I mean, listen, I love Kaser, but, like, this guy Will is just doing some things. I prepped for this podcast, Taryn, and it's just funny. I haven't watched the season in a minute.

[00:06:37] And looking, you know, re-watching, you're like, you should have done this and you should have done this. And I'm like, Kaser, why didn't you stop Janelle from doing this? And yeah, it was interesting. Yeah, it's, you know, there's that one moment in season six where you're like, no, not, no, don't, don't give it to Jennifer. But in season seven, it's like a long, a prolonged section of just like, stop listening to Will! Yeah. Stop believing you. He's lying to you!

[00:07:07] They were all part of Chill Town, Taryn. The whole cast, the whole house, as they said, were part of Chill Town at once. But, again, star-studded cast with really, like, again, like pretty much every big name you would want to hit. With a couple of exceptions, obviously, Lisa would have been nice to see. She came close to getting onto this cast. June would have been amazing. She did not come as close to getting on this cast.

[00:07:35] But for the most part here, you're hitting the highlights. You're getting Marcellus and his, you know, whole, like, he's not only a great character but has this history with DeVito. You're getting Erica, who is one of the top stars of Big Brother 4, plus Allison, who had that sort of, like, ridiculous run to lose to June. You're getting Nokomis and Diane and Jace, many of the star players of Big Brother 5. You are getting Dr. Will.

[00:08:06] And for some reason, Mike Bookie, who is maybe not the biggest star of Big Brother 2. Maybe there were some other options there. But, you know, maybe Will had some pull. Maybe he didn't. You, of course, have Danielle. You're missing Jason. But, but really, you know, then, of course, you have all of season six. And so it's just like, you know, what more could you ask for, really?

[00:08:34] Yeah, I was curious, like, because season six was a very popular season at the time, if I recall. And, you know, had it not been, were they planning to do All-Stars anyway? I was wondering if season six, you know, because four people is a lot of people to go into the next season of All-Stars. So I was curious about that. I mean, that's like, I always felt like even when I was a kid, I was just like, they're just coming up with reasons to bring back Kacer, right? Like after the first one, he came back. And then he and then now he's in as a whole season for him to come back.

[00:09:02] Plus all of his allies is just like, let's just keep bringing them back. But at the same time, this was, you know, Arnold Shapiro's final season. So, you know, it did make a little bit of sense to kind of go out in this way. So, you know, probably hard to say in terms of was this directly caused by the popularity of season six? It wouldn't surprise me if it helped move the needle. But but either way, I think it was pretty well placed.

[00:09:32] Agree. Agree. One of my favorite seasons, if not my favorite. All right. Well, of course, there's there's a lot of things that happen here. I think the first thing to talk about is that going into the season, there is, of course, a lot of, you know, pre-gaming going on. Again, lots of rumors abound in terms of the kind of pre-gaming and and who was talking to who.

[00:09:54] Of course, you know, you you've heard that Dr. Will got his hands on the call sheet, essentially, and was just literally calling everyone that was supposed to be on the cast. Making deals, spilling secrets. You know, you had the people from season five, Jason Diane with Mr. and Mrs. Smith, Secret Alliance.

[00:10:18] And and and then you had, you know, people like Danielle and Allison, who really, I think, were primarily left out of a lot of the pregame or at least didn't like actively participate, which really hurt them very early on in the season. And and and then, of course, you just in general have the the groupings from the seasons themselves, the season six alliance, the seasick alliance, as some called them.

[00:10:46] And they, you know, then the next biggest was season five, which they had three people and then a couple of pairs from season four, seasons four and three and two. So a lot of different ways to group these people up, both outwardly and secretly from this pregame. A hundred percent. And I think Danielle told me at one point she's a rule follower, so that's why she wasn't necessarily picking up phone calls or calling people, which makes sense.

[00:11:15] And we sort of see things play out. But yeah, for sure. Yes, I believe Danielle was somebody who like if if they called her, she denied it, including, I think, Jason himself. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, and that's listen, that hurts you. And you should know way of knowing that, but like it definitely hurts you.

[00:11:38] And, you know, you go into that first week and it's Allison and it's Danielle up on the block to players with massive reputations, massive targets and very little protection coming into the season.

[00:11:55] They also really hurt from the fact that it was the twist of the first week was that there were two HOHs and they happened to be two people from the two biggest groups in the game, season six and season five. Janelle and Jace were both HOHs and had to come together to decide on nominations. So where otherwise they might have just targeted each other's groups, they had to go for an easy target outside.

[00:12:21] And of course, Danielle and Allison were the two easiest people to go after at this point. Yeah. And Danielle obviously planted some seeds about not agreeing. Maybe Jason Janelle could not agree. And then that would force both of them to go on the block and then they could vote out whatever at that point. But Danielle had planted those seeds and then Allison and told Allison, then they're blaming each other who did what. And so, yeah, it was it was messy right from the start. It was great.

[00:12:49] Yeah, really did not did not help the either of their cases. But this this was unfortunate. I think, you know, in a season like this all star season, there's always going to be a couple of people that go out early that don't. It's disappointing that you didn't get to see more of what they could do. And I still wonder, like, how would Allison do in a season that wasn't so sort of like perfect for her?

[00:13:16] Because it seemed like the ex's season was just for as much as she didn't like it at first. It was just her thing. I mean, she really managed to to do a lot of really interesting things there in a cast of all stars. Does Allison's kind of strategy and maneuvering, does it work as well? And you might even ask the same question of June, like this kind of floating strategy, right? Does it work? We didn't really get a chance to see because of, I think, pre-gaming factors, just week one events.

[00:13:46] And this early twist of two HOHs happening to end up in a spot where the two big groups that would be going after each other have to coordinate. Just all came together to to stop Allison before she could ever really start. Yeah, it was a shame. I mean, it's funny you said the floater thing, too, because I feel like the theme of this this season was like, got to get the floaters out. Got to get the floaters out. We don't know where they're voting. And so, yeah, it would have been interesting to see sort of Allison go a little further here. But, you know, I also am not mad that Danielle stayed.

[00:14:18] Yes. So really not much more to say about Allison. I think at this point she had already done the Amazing Race with Donnie. And so this is, I think, her last true stint on reality television. Yeah, I'm trying to think if I reached out to her over the years. I can't recall, but she sort of stayed out of the spotlight a little bit. But if I if I'm correct.

[00:14:40] Yeah, I think she she kind of Maggie'd herself a little bit, which I respect, you know, I respect. It is what it is. So so again, I want to reiterate like the theme of the season for the first like half of it was here is this group of four players who were all allies going into the season. And, you know, obviously Howie and James, maybe a little bit of a distrust there. But but they were allies.

[00:15:10] They were friends coming into the season. They were a group of four. They're also the most popular players coming in, which I'm sure is a little bit of a, you know, gets gets under their skin a little bit to a group of all stars. And so everyone wanted to target season six, season six kind of wanted to target season five because they were the next biggest group. You know, even though you had Dr. Will, you know, run in his mouth. It's like, well, yeah, he can run his mouth all he wants, but he doesn't win comps.

[00:15:39] And there's a bigger group of people that are after us. Right. And so that's kind of the situation. It's season six versus season five. And the entire rest of the house is like hiding behind season five. Like, go get them, guys. Like, go get them. And and Dr. Will, instead of hiding behind them, is like in the middle, like. Go, go get them. Hey, but hey, but I don't worry. I'm actually not with them. But then but then. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go get them.

[00:16:08] Um, which is really what everyone's doing. But but but Dr. Will was just so much more blatant about it in public. Um, and we can argue the merits of that strategy. I think, you know, it was very entertaining for sure. Uh, but at the time, you know, definitely did put him in the line of fire a couple of times when maybe he wouldn't have needed to be. Oh, hello there. Didn't expect to hear from me in the retrospective, did you? Hey, everybody. It is Pooja.

[00:16:37] I'm going to give you back to the to the Big Brother world. Don't you worry. But I wanted to take a second right here and let you know that there's a very fun podcast going on right here on the network every week. And that is the Pooja and Liana lounge. Myself and Liana have a weekly podcast where we get into a lot of shenanigans, talk about all the random stuff that's going on in our lives. And the vibes are immaculate. So you can find us over on Pooja and Liana.com or on the RHAP YouTube page on Fridays to check out the video. Enjoy. But here's the situation. Season six versus season five.

[00:17:07] They can't go after each other in the first week, but then Kaser wins the HOH in week two. And that frees him up to target season five, which, of course, is going to land on Nokomis in week two as our second boot. Oof. Yep. They really wanted that season five. And Will definitely stoked those fires. You know, made a truce with Kaser. I was also screaming at my TV when that happened. Like, don't trust him.

[00:17:33] And then Will also, you know, was already nominated or volunteering to be nominated by week two, too. So, you know, he's always in there just stoking things. But yeah, season five was certainly the target early on from season six, which, again, I don't know if that was the smartest move, but it is. Yeah. I mean, like, here's the thing, too, right?

[00:17:52] We talked about this a little bit with season two, where, you know, I think the thing Dr. Will is best at more than anything else is, like, convincing the audience that he's really good, right? Like, you know, he's constantly, you know, telling us, they're so stupid for not coming after me. It makes them look stupid.

[00:18:20] But to Kaser's credit, and I think to the credit of some of these people who were not going after Dr. Will, did it really make sense to go after Dr. Will here? Because all of season five were going after season six. And they were all better competitors than Dr. Will. You know, now we know that Will eventually is going to be able to turn them against each other, which is really like the true danger of Will.

[00:18:47] But, like, you can sort of see the reasoning why you'd be like, okay, I could target Will, but that leaves Nokomis, Diane, Jace, who have the backing of Marcellus, Danielle, you know, all of these other people. And now Boogie, who's probably pissed at us for targeting. And it's just like the whole house against just us. Or we can try and take out our biggest threats and hope that these guys aren't winning comps or at the very least are playing the middle enough that we have enough of a shot.

[00:19:14] They didn't want to make the same mistake they did back in season six when Howie went after James, right? Dr. Will ostensibly the James of that season in this particular spot. Now, of course, it was James of all people that was the most against this plan. Yeah, it was. Uh, but, you know, what are you going to do? Yeah. Listen, Will's target was so big it was invisible, as he says. So, you know, and I get the merit of that.

[00:19:42] Like, he didn't, especially early on, you're right. Like, Jace was sort of running around playing both sides a little bit with Will and then season six. And Nokomis is obviously super smart. So I get the logic there. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. So, you know, was Nokomis the best shot to take here for Kaser? Uh, and crew. You know, maybe not. I don't think Nokomis was like the strongest competitor. They really felt like they could maybe work with Jace. He was doing some great work with them.

[00:20:12] Uh, specifically because I think he had already had that shared HOH with Janelle and, uh, was really working on James. Um, and so there was a lot of reason to think, well, maybe Jace will actually work with us. Nokomis, she's just so smart. Uh, and we don't have as much of a relationship with her. Again, somebody that wasn't really doing a lot of pre-gaming from my knowledge. Uh, and so, um, wasn't as connected as even Jace or Diane.

[00:20:38] Uh, and so was a better person, a person with like, uh, the least amount of blood to kind of take a shot at, uh, from the other side, I think was partially the reasoning here. Um, and again, you know, in the world where Kaser puts up Will and Boogie and they send Will or Boogie home here, I don't really think there's a huge difference in how the rest of the season plays out for the most part. I think that like, at some point they're going to stop winning comps.

[00:21:07] And at that point, they're going to get shots taken at them. Uh, whether it's from Jace or from Will or from Janelle, like it's, it's probably going to happen. But, um, but you know, was Nikomas the right shot? Who, who can say? Yeah. I mean, I get it. She, she, like you said, she didn't necessarily have a ton of connections. Like, it seems like she was friendly with people in there, but she was sort of in that floating position and she's a smart sort of floater position.

[00:21:34] Um, so I, I, I get it, but yeah, it was kind of like, I think just early game decision. I don't know. It wasn't like we were deep in the game. Um, yeah, I, I, you know, it would, I would have liked to see Nikomas and see. I don't know what she could do, but I didn't, I don't think we saw much of her the first few episodes, to be honest. Like, I don't know how much. Yeah. And ultimately for Nikomas, I think this was a somewhat similar spot that she was in season five. She also was in trouble early.

[00:21:59] Um, and it took her a while to really warm up the cast and, you know, get her, her teeth into the game. I think the same thing happened here, only it was even more difficult because she was surrounded by other people who knew each other and who were aligned with each other. And so it was an even harder and, uh, steeper hill to climb and she just didn't have enough runway to, to do it. Yep. Yep. So, uh, whole house still basically looking at season six. How are they going to take them out?

[00:22:28] Well, they can't because James wins the next day choice and they continue to steamroll the season this time taking out Jace, but not on purpose. Uh, James really did not want to take Jace out here. He felt like he had a good relationship with him. Um, and who knows, maybe this game does go differently for James specifically.

[00:22:51] If he does stand his ground and protect Jace, considering he's planning to flip on season six, eventually anyway, uh, you might as well do so with a stronger ally on your side. Um, and by taking out Jace, he really just opened the door up for Janelle to continue to dominate the competitions, which.

[00:23:12] Would have been good for him if he had been, you know, planning to go to the end with season six, but apparently given that he wasn't, uh, maybe not the best idea to take out Jace here. Yeah. And it later comes back, obviously when Janelle doesn't go, it doesn't go with James, um, or doesn't follow what he wants to do later on. He's like, I took Jace out for you guys, not for me. Um, so yeah, I don't know if this was the smartest move for him. Uh, it later comes back to bite him a little bit. Yeah.

[00:23:40] I mean, I think, you know, going flashing forward to a future all-star season, uh, we see that, uh, Memphis is going to basically do whatever he wants anytime that he's HOH. And the Alliance just has to deal with it and, uh, positions himself to, you know, one of the better spots he could have been in, in the end game, uh, still doesn't come home with the win. He doesn't win those end game competitions.

[00:24:03] But, uh, but I think that that's truly like the lesson to be learned from this, which is, you know, if you're James and it's week three and you are deciding between making a choice for the Alliance or for yourself, you just have to make the choice for yourself. Um, and, and ask for forgiveness. Um, you know, Tony, Tony certainly displays that in a survivor all the time. Yeah. And on the opposite side, like at some point, Danielle, I remember said, why are we doing what the HOH wants?

[00:24:32] Which is the other side of it of like, yeah, do what you want because you don't know how these people are going to vote. Right. So totally agree. And this is also like, it's a brutal result as well. Like the reason that he has to put chase on the blocker, uh, felt like he had to put chase the block is because of chicken George winning that Vita.

[00:24:53] One of, I think the like most classic veto competitions of all time, uh, the basically how bad do you want it competition where they're taking punishments, uh, shaving their heads. And going on slop for the entire season, um, like taking extraordinary amounts of punishment. Kaser shaves his head to try to beat chicken George still doesn't end up winning the competition. Uh, fans everywhere are dismayed and then like, ah, it's kind of works.

[00:25:24] Yeah. Taryn. Okay. Let me talk about this. What would have happened? Is that fair if there were like women left in, in the game? I'm curious. That was always the question right now. I, I, I believe that was a big topic at the time, actually, that I, I remember a lot of people talking about like, how would this have been fair if women had been in the competition? Uh, I believe if I recall correctly, it's either before or after that the amazing race potentially had something similar to this and it might've been a different show.

[00:25:54] Uh, but the, the, the sort of solution was that women would have to dye their hair and men would have to shave their heads. Uh, was I think what happened in the amazing race, but I could be thinking of a different show. Yeah. You might be wrong. Cause it depends on the year, but, um, I want to say. Oh no, you know what? There was an amazing race. You can enjoy. Yeah. Yeah. And that was a season Boston Rob was on. Hmm. Um, and they won. Yeah. And thank God.

[00:26:24] Thank God. It was worth it. Um, it is. Yeah. What show? Cause there was definitely a show where, or maybe it was just like the proposed solution that, that, uh, people talked about at the time. I just, I remember that there was like a lot of talk about like, well, women should just have to dye their hair and men would have to shave. And that would, that's like a little more, uh, equatable.

[00:26:46] Um, but, uh, but yeah, ultimately I don't think we know what would have happened if, if it really would have been a, you have to shave your head kind of thing. I mean, listen, wouldn't be the first and certainly not the last time that men would have an advantage in a competition in big brother. Great point, Taryn. And you know what? Like, I do love the, how bad do you want it games? Like I love them, but yeah, this one was a little extreme. And then obviously not being able to play the veto next week. Like I knew people are going to drop out there. Like there's certain ones you just know people are not going to agree to.

[00:27:17] And of course, uh, Jace, um, doesn't even get to compete in this, in this, uh, veto, uh, for the, like, there are a couple of people in the history of big brother who, um, who really just like, uh, he didn't compete. Right. That was the thing. Um, uh, who, uh, um, no, no, no, I think he did compete. And then he, he went out on the hair shaving. Um, I'm trying to remember now.

[00:27:48] It was, it was, it was getting backdoored that like, he was like, I can't believe I'm getting backdoored again. If I had known that I was an option, I would have tried harder in the competition. I think it was the thing, not that he hadn't had a chance to compete. Um, but, uh, but, but yes, Jace, one of, I think a few people in the history of the show that really just like, um, there's, there's a character on the show ER, uh, that just like has a very bad relationship with helicopters.

[00:28:14] Um, and, uh, and I feel like there are a couple of players on big brother that have a similar thing where it's just like Marcellus and vetoes. There's just something about it. Right. Uh, Jesse and America's votes like, Ooh, sorry. Uh, Jace and getting backdoored. Like it's just, it's just a thing, you know? Uh, so it's true. It's true. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so, uh, James, James was pissed about this video.

[00:28:42] Like he was pissed about this video situation. It was basically the only, one of the only vetoes that like you could expect chicken George to have a shot at and, and not only have a shot at, but like was the favorite to win essentially. Cause he just maxed out every single punishment. Yep. Yep. He got that slop for the rest of the summer. Right. Is that this one or no? Am I saying this? I think so. Yeah. Um, so, uh, brutal results. Chicken George now safe. And this is when Dr.

[00:29:11] Will gives his, I hate you all speech. Um, which famously, uh, I believe was a, uh, like he had already sort of done it or practiced it in front of them, or he'd done like a different version of the speech ahead of time. So they kind of knew what was coming. Um, but, uh, but, but again, like very much putting on a show, right? Like for both the house guests, but, but more specifically like the audience.

[00:29:38] And this is when he gives the famous line about like making it the target on his back. So big it becomes invisible. Um, which, uh, is, is such a, a Dr. Will ism. Yes. Yes. And we just talked about this, Taryn, but I don't know if you've gotten to this point of Dondi, but there is a point where he's like, you know what, let me, let me play that back and say it again. And Parvati's like, just get it out. And so he's been doing this for 20 years. You guys, he wants the camera to be on him. He wants everything to be perfect. He wants the viewers to love, you know, love the drama.

[00:30:07] So that's, you know, it's, it's good stuff. It's pretty funny to watch, uh, Dondi. No, no spoilers, but dealer, deal, no dealer, no deal Island. Dr. Will has returned to television for the first time, basically since all stars to play a competitive reality show. Um, and, uh, I think. The producers of that show slightly less willing to play ball with Dr. Will.

[00:30:29] Um, and so, uh, because of that, uh, you're seeing a little bit of the behind the scenes of like, wait, I didn't get to do the thing I wanted. I'm walking off set. Yeah. It's basically BB seven, but times like a hundred. So instead of him just complaining about like the food and, you know, the house and his castmates, he's literally walking off set and saying, I wanted to be above him.

[00:30:59] I needed the visual. You don't understand. Um, so, uh, he gives the, I hate you all speech. Now it's as with many of the things with Dr. Will, uh, I don't think these things are irrelevant. Um, I do think they contribute toward his overall game. Um, but you know, this is probably more of a sort of spectacle than it is like a, a tangible game move.

[00:31:26] This, the, the veto result was always going to happen. Um, you know, it's, it's not like Janelle doesn't put him up specifically the following week because he gave the speech or anything like that. But it contributed toward that overall concept of like, look, everyone's looking at me, right? Like, uh, you know, like you don't need to waste your shot on me. Don't again, don't take, don't take out your James, uh, and, and leave in the bigger threats like Diane and, you know, uh, all of these other people.

[00:31:55] Um, so James, uh, James puts up Jace. Jace is, is pissed. Uh, no, no more blow up inner tubes. Uh, he's going to chuck them around. Um, and, uh, that's going to be, that's going to be it for Jace. Similar spots, uh, his first, uh, first time. Yeah. The one thing I wanted to mention that I totally forgot he said was he was like, you know what guys, this is just not my game. I'm supposed to be on survivor. Like that's my thing. And I'm like, I just forgot they aired that. And I was laughing.

[00:32:25] Totally forgot. So yeah, I think he also knows that big brother might not be his thing. I don't know. Poor Jace. You know, uh, Jace on survive. Uh, you know what? Maybe that might be true. You know, uh, he, I think he, he's able to, to whip up some allies, get some number. He's all, he's never been in the majority though, which is pretty important on survivor. So I don't know about this. Good point. Um, all right. Well, Jace is out and the following week.

[00:32:54] Janelle wins the HOH. Season six. Protecting season six once again. And they are going to finish off season five. One, two, three by taking out Diane. Um, uh, brutal, brutal draw here for the season fivers. The, the Mr. and Mrs. Smith Alliance goes, uh, goes down. Um, it's going to be, uh, originally Boogie and Erica on the block.

[00:33:22] Uh, but Diane, um, ends up being, uh, the replacement after Boogie wins this veto. And, uh, and that's it for, for Diane. Um, this is, this is really where you start to go. Like, did you need to finish off season five? Right? Like there are some bigger threats in here. There's, you know, Danny, Danielle, you've been leaving like on the table for a while now.

[00:33:47] Uh, and she's been slowly recuperating her power, uh, you know, uh, power sources. Uh, she's, she's revitalizing her relationship with Marcellus despite what happened in season three. She's getting in, in with James. She wants him to become her new Jason. Uh, and most importantly, uh, they are developing what they are going to call the Legion of Doom.

[00:34:12] Um, and that is really going to spell the doom for this, for season six. Yeah. And the thing that sucks is like, I can't hate on Chanel too much because she goes very far, right? Like she outlasts the other ones, but, but yeah, at the time, you know, watching this, it's really frustrating. Cause I don't think Diane's necessarily a threat to her game at that point. And then also it kind of really solidifies James breaking away from season six.

[00:34:39] So yeah, I didn't know if this was the best move, but again, you know, then I don't know how far she gets and all that. You have to play all that out, but. It's true. I mean, I think ultimately she kind of needs will. She has a good relationship with him. There's no, there's no good reason for her to target will specifically. I think for Janelle, for Janelle, I think will in the game is good for her because the relationship is good. Will is going to do his best to protect Janelle throughout the season.

[00:35:06] Um, and, uh, it's not like he's winning comps, but he is throwing comps for her, uh, which is valuable. Um, I think for Janelle here, truly the, the threat was Danielle. Um, and obviously that's her too. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's going to play out very quickly. Uh, it's, so it's easy to say in hindsight, but, um, but yeah, you had already nominated Janelle in week or Danielle in week one. Um, Danielle, you know, is a really dangerous player.

[00:35:33] Uh, Diane has just had her two allies, her two closest allies cut off from her. There was a little bit of a threat that it seemed like Boogie was trying to like do this thing with Diane. Um, and so there's maybe some, uh, validity to the idea of like cutting Erica or Diane away from Boogie makes some sense. Uh, I can see that, but ultimately I just think Danielle was the bigger threat here. Uh, and you know, uh, probably should have gotten that direction. Yep. Totally agree with that one.

[00:36:02] Um, and again with, with Diane, I think like Diane was just another victim of just like a stifling situation where, which is, it's pretty funny because we talk a lot about, um, the season 22 all-stars and how that season was completely stifled by one alliance winning every single competition. Uh, and I think we forget that big brother all-stars season seven started the exact same way four weeks in a row of the same alliance winning.

[00:36:33] H-O-H after H-O-H and just completely preventing anybody, uh, from the other side from having any chance. And season five is the, are the true, the biggest victims of that. Diane, the last one to fall here. If she just squeezes it one more week out, who knows what she's capable of doing, but, uh, she just never really was able to get a firm footing in the game. Her allies go out, her best option is to work with Mike Boogie. Uh, so it's like, you know, she just didn't really have a shot. Yeah.

[00:37:03] And that's funny. You said that I, I was watching, you know, I went back and watched a little bit of it and I made the same parallel to BB 22. I was like, wow. Like, I mean, the first four weeks were what people would call boring, but I guess because it was season six, we were all like, yeah, it's okay. Yep. It's fine. Every single week. It was like, it's fine. We're doing it. Listen, Kaser's still here. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Um, and Kaser was still there until. Oh, here we go.

[00:37:34] Danielle wins the, the, the, uh, the hanging black widow, uh, challenge. Um, and, uh, and she is going to take a shot directly at season six, uh, with Janelle winning the veto. So Kaser replaces her next sits next to James.

[00:37:54] Um, and you know, while he wasn't next to James the first, uh, you know, two times, I think in season six, uh, he basically was, it was always like, oh, don't worry, Kaser. We're going after James. Um, and then, and then, you know, they, they just, he was sitting next to Janelle both times. Uh, but this time Janelle wins that veto because she's on her comp winning, uh, in her comp winning era. Um, and, uh, and they send, they send Kaser out.

[00:38:23] I will say Taryn rewatching this a little bit. I was, I don't want to say disappointed in Kaser, but I was like, dude, why are you not doing more? Why are you not talking to Janelle more? Like Janelle seemingly was closer to Howie almost that season. And then obviously we'll, you know, she was in, or will was in her pocket or she was in his pocket. And I just was like, I don't know. Kaser was just always sort of there, but we didn't see that much of him pulling the strings. Other than, um, what the second week or maybe the first week I forget.

[00:38:52] Um, so yeah, it was, it was kind of a bummer to, to, to lose him so early, but yeah. Well, we talked a lot about this last season that Kaser really is such a rallying force, uh, who like brings together the underdogs and is so for the team. And what was interesting about this season was that for these first four weeks, they were just unabashedly in power. Um, and so there wasn't really as much for Kaser to do.

[00:39:19] I think like Kaser doesn't really exist in the majority. That's not, he's not a majority player. He's somebody that rallies the troops to take down the majority. And, um, and I think because of that, like he didn't know how to hold the group together in the same way that he, he had in the previous season. Um, you had people like James just kind of being like, listen, we have all the power. We should be making different decisions. You had people like Janelle being like, well, I, you know, I like these people. I think we should be keeping these people.

[00:39:48] And, and Kaser's just like, listen, we should be doing what's best for the team. And sometimes I think that's working with Will. And sometimes it, I don't think it's working with Will. And so he wasn't really pleasing anybody. Uh, meanwhile, I think Howie was willing to just be like, sure, Janelle. Yeah, exactly. That's true. Jedi, Jedi Janie. Yeah, you're right. He, um, he definitely was more team oriented. And then like, even if he disagreed with Janelle, I think he always wanted to sort of support what her decision was. At least that's the sense I got.

[00:40:17] Whereas James was obviously pushing back way harder in even Howie at times. So that's fair to say, um, Kaser was always about the team. Mm-hmm. Um, and so, uh, I, I believe, I believe this is the, this is the case. For the second time on his birthday, Kaser's affected. And it's the third time in a year that it's happened. Yeah, I think someone, I don't know if it was Will or someone brought that up. I was like, oh shit, you're right.

[00:40:46] I totally forgot about that. And there was no battle back. Not this time. Um, and, uh, and this is it. This is it for Kaser for another, you know, like almost 15 years. 15 years. Uh, that, uh, this is it for Kaser on Big Brother. Uh, at the end of my, my Kaser fandom as a child. Not that I wasn't a fan anymore, but that, uh, I could no longer root for Kaser because he was no longer on my, on my screen.

[00:41:11] Um, and, and really, I think probably the turning point where I go, you know what? Hand it, gotta hand it to him. This Will guy, you know? Yeah. Uh, I, I loved Will when I watched him originally, but at this point that was so long ago to me as a kid. Like I, I, I could barely, I just remembered Will as the guy who I liked his hair. Um, and, uh, and he, he talked about lying a lot and I thought it was really chill.

[00:41:41] Um, and, but now, uh, I, I, I, I didn't like his hair as much. Uh, but, uh, but I, he's also paler as how we pointed out. Yeah. Uh, but I did really appreciate what he was bringing to the show and with Kaser gone, if I wanted to have any investment left in the season, uh, I had to, I had to root for Will. That was how I felt. Uh, and, and on top of that, I really liked this new super group of big brother royalty,

[00:42:11] which was Will, Boogie, uh, Danielle and James, uh, the, the Legion of Doom. Um, and so I was kind of like, sorry, Janelle, but, uh, I, I like, I, I like Danielle. Like, uh, I'm rooting for this Alliance more than the double day Alliance. And of course that didn't work out for me. I was the same. Although I think we all knew the Legion of Doom was not going to, not going to last that long, but it was fun. It was. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[00:42:40] Um, so Kaser is out. Season six has finally fallen. And, uh, at the first smell of blood, uh, the Alliance starts to crumble, especially when Erica wins the next HOH. Mm-hmm. Except there was a malfunction. They have to redo it. And instead, Janelle wins. It's insane.

[00:43:11] This is, I believe the only time they've fully rerun, uh, like a live competition that, that, that they played out of full competition and, and, and people saw the result and then they reran it, uh, to get a different result afterward. I think you're right. Definitely alive. They might, I don't know if they've done it otherwise, but yeah, for sure.

[00:43:35] Um, and, uh, really pissed off the house guests that, that weren't Janelle. Yeah, they were, but, but, you know, this, this is the week that they introduced the coup d'etat, which obviously doesn't get used, but you know, at least I guess that gave some people hope that they could gain some power as well. Hmm. Yeah. Uh, if, if this, if this isn't the case, because, um, you know, who knows if Janelle would have won this competition without essentially a second shot.

[00:44:05] Um, I, I think she was one of the people impacted by the malfunction. Um, but, uh, if I'm remembering correctly, um, it's been a while and I did not freshen up on this particular controversy, but I remember that at the time people were talking about like, would they have even buzzed in correctly or were they even have like, you know, done it in time. I don't remember exactly how it worked, but like, I think the answer was kind of like, no, that they probably would have been eliminated anyway, but because it was malfunctioning still

[00:44:35] had to redo the whole thing. And so, uh, it was definitely like a tricky spot and there was definitely a lot of like, all right, all right. Production. No, you really want season six to stick around, but come on. Uh, and if Erica wins this and gets to continue with, with what she plans to do, um, you know, who knows? Janelle does not win this veto. Uh, so that's probably it. That's probably it for Janelle. It's just, it's just done. That's such a good point. I didn't think about that, but you're right.

[00:45:05] I don't know if she makes it past this week. If this didn't happen. Mm-hmm. Uh, it's an entirely different season. If that happens completely, completely wild. And you can, you can, you know, you can see why Danielle would be so pissed about that because it's a completely different season specifically for Danielle, I think, uh, more than anyone else. Um, so, uh, yes, instead of Erica winning this HOH and nominating, uh, you know, like

[00:45:31] Janelle and Howie, uh, Janelle gets the HOH, nominates Danielle and Erica. Um, and, uh, Danielle manages to squeeze out this veto win and Marcellus goes up in her place and Marcellus ends up. Getting sent home here. Marcellus, I think a relatively disappointing return to big brother for Marcellus. Um, he did have a bit more leeway to play this game, but, uh, seemed to be kind of gun

[00:45:58] shy when it came to like making, like, like having an active stance on things, uh, had this, you know, will they, or won't they sort of like relationship with Danielle, um, and ends up sort of like leaving in her place, uh, when she wins this veto, um, having not really managed to do much in the game to this point. Yeah. I almost feel like he was like a casualty of war. Like I didn't see him going out at this spot because he wasn't super aligned with a lot of people.

[00:46:27] He was kind of just there. And so, yeah, it was a little unfortunate. Um, you know, he brought some great drama though, and he continued to in the jury house. So that was fun. Certainly. I just, uh, I remember, um, I, I, I remember as a kid, just like feeling like every time we cut to Marcellus, it was like, I just remember what Danielle did to me. Yes. Yeah. I don't know if I can ever forget that. Um, like, come on, bro.

[00:46:57] It's a new game. Especially because in there, everyone seemed to be teaming up with their seasons. And it was like, those two were like not on the same page at all. Yep. Um, so, uh, after that, uh, chicken George pulls out a win, um, and ends up sending out Howie. And this was, yes, a double eviction. I believe the first, but it wasn't the same kind it is now.

[00:47:26] It wasn't like a live double eviction. I think it was like, you might call it like a fast forward week, uh, kind of situation where just, it was sped up. Um, and, uh, on top of that, we had the coup d'etat involved, uh, the spool of lies, um, coup d'etat, um, and, uh, and, and, you know, you had boogie sort of threatening to use it, uh, to, uh, to help control these nominations.

[00:47:53] Um, and, uh, Erica and James go up on the blog. James wins this, uh, they don't want Janelle out there, but they do want, uh, Howie out. And so, uh, after James wins, Howie goes up and, uh, Howie goes out. Yep. Uh, I think it was Mike Boogie who said, if I sold lightsaber lightsabers, I'd be angry too, cause he gets into it with Boogie, which reminds me obviously of Xavier and Kylan. And I totally forgot about that.

[00:48:24] Um, but yeah, Howie, uh, Howie, I don't know what to say about Howie. He was, he's fun. Um, but I think he was also, you know, if they weren't going to get, they were never going to go after, well, our George didn't want to put up Janelle. I don't think at the time. Um, so yeah, I think Howie is just kind of an easy sort of vote out here. I don't know. Yeah.

[00:48:51] I mean, Howie, I think also Howie definitely like has presence on this season. Um, but game wise, isn't really contributing as much, I think. And, um, I think a lot of his content comes from this like weird relationship he has with Will, uh, again, Will just kind of clowning everyone. And, but Howie in particular, I think really takes the biggest hit, uh, in popularity because

[00:49:16] of, uh, how Will is able to sort of like really just, just dunk on the guy, uh, and be like this, he just wants, he just wants to be me. I mean, Howie didn't do himself any favors following Will around and stroking his leg and, you know, complimenting him and all that stuff. But, but yeah. It was fun. Uh, truly the downfall of season six. Only Janelle really comes out, uh, on top.

[00:49:45] I would say, um, here in, in all stars. Uh, we get to the, we conclude the, the sort of like double eviction esque, uh, week with Boogie winning HOH and, uh, betraying the Legion of Doom and taking out James. And, uh, now just Janelle remains in the season six Alliance. Yeah. I feel like we knew that was going to happen. Um, I think James knew that was going to happen. Um, although he was blindsided, right? At that boat.

[00:50:16] Um, yeah, I think so. Uh, because, so, because basically what happened here was Boogie was the HOH. He nominates James and Janelle and supposedly the target is Janelle because it's the Legion of Doom. We're taking out our biggest threat here. Oh man, we weren't able to get chicken George to take out Janelle, but luckily we won this one. We're going to take out Janelle.

[00:50:38] Um, and, uh, this is, I believe the, the infamous, uh, veto competition where, uh, they are all supposed to be working hard to, uh, to take shots or no, I think that's the next one. Right. Um, oh, this was the first OTAV, wasn't it? Uh, yes. Right. The, uh, the James was had some harm. Uh, yes, because Janelle stole it out of his hand. How dare she? And so, right. Yeah.

[00:51:07] It's going to be the next one that that, so it is, so it's, it's sort of like, you know, James, the veto King, um, who from season six is beaten by his own ally Janelle and what ends up becoming a classic veto competition. I believe the first iteration of OTAV, um, as he is usurped, uh, from that title by the veto queen. She's never really known as the veto queen, but, uh, but she certainly was one, um, and,

[00:51:36] uh, and, and leaves because of it, because, uh, he is not able to, uh, to, to, to survive after Janelle takes herself off the block and George goes up in her place. Um, so I, yes, I believe theoretically the idea was like, oh, don't worry. We're, we'll just take out George or something. Yeah. Of course. And they are not going to leave James in the game at this point for will and boogie. Uh, the Legion of doom is over and it's all about the double date Alliance, which is the

[00:52:05] will and Janelle showmance that has been blooming and the, uh, boogie and Erica showmance that has, uh, sprouted up as well. Yeah. A lot of hot tub scenes, a lot of showers scenes more than I remember. It's very, uh, well, there's the very famous, uh, you know, bathtub scene where will is explaining the concept

[00:52:29] of floaters, uh, to Janelle using rubber duckies, um, and talking about how like all these, all these floaters in the middle that are just floating back and forth, uh, between the people winning the, the power. Um, of course he is one of them. I mean, really the, the, the thing about the Legion of doom that I, uh, have talked about in other podcasts is that like, they were a pretty groundbreaking Alliance in terms of

[00:52:57] the fact that they were a four person secret Alliance. And that was pretty rare for the time. You know, you had big alliances, but they were all pretty open about it for the most part, or like tried to hide it, but couldn't. Um, but this was a very under the radar Alliance. Nobody really knew it existed. And that allowed them to essentially float as an Alliance. Um, because they were able to sort of like go back and forth to whoever, like, Hey, uh,

[00:53:22] like Erica, you won, uh, George, you won, uh, and, and sort of like be in everyone's ear, um, in a way that like Danielle and Jason were kind of stationary on two sides. The Legion of doom kind of took that concept and, and sort of sprouted wings and said, Hey, we can do this. But like June did as a group, um, which is very interesting, but it didn't last very long because there was no sort of, uh, function to hold them together. Of course, the brigade is going to do that later.

[00:53:50] Um, but interesting stuff. Ultimately, uh, will and Boogie decide that there's a better option for them. And that's going to be Erica and Janelle, the Doubleday Alliance. They take out James here who, um, I, they correctly deduce like James and Danielle are together. Erica and Janelle are separate in their loyalty to us. Erica's loyal to Boogie. Janelle's loyal to me, uh, if I'm well.

[00:54:16] Um, and whereas James and Danielle are loyal to each other and much more dangerous as players. So, uh, this is going to be the end for James who ultimately shouldn't have gone with the Legion of doom. I mean, it just wasn't their play for him. Uh, for as much of an issue as he had with season six, they were a lot better for his game. I understand the reluctance he had when he felt like he couldn't influence them because, you know, he did go out on how he's HOH in the past.

[00:54:43] But I think if James had just stayed the course, um, and tried to continue to like push Danielle and in the direction of like, let's try to continue to use these people as much as possible. Uh, you know, there's maybe some other options here, but, um, but ultimately, you know, he never really had the same kind of win streak he did in season four or season six. Um, so, uh, never had as much power to, to really do much about it.

[00:55:14] Yeah. I was bummed. I was a fan of James, obviously. Like I said, I, I'm a, I was a fan of a lot of people and I think James, um, you know, I think he went into the season knowing he wanted not revenge, but he wasn't thrilled with his outcome on season six and probably didn't want to work with them. And then he had a reason not to, um, so it all made sense, but I think you're right. I think looking back, it wasn't, it wasn't that smart to, uh, well, it's never smart to team up with the doctor while I'm buggy.

[00:55:41] Um, so James goes out and then, then it's the real big one because Erica wins the next HOH and, and Danielle has, has developed a strong relationship with Erica. This is bad. She's just lost James, but she's still in it with a shot because all she needs to do is pull Erica. Erica wins this HOH. If she can get Erica to take out Janelle, um, uh, you know, who she should be taking out, like that is just the better play for her in general anyway.

[00:56:10] Um, then all of a sudden it's like her and Erica versus like chicken George, Dr. Will and Mike boogie. Um, and that's, those are pretty decent odds. Like, uh, that feels pretty good. Um, but, uh, Oh, this is really, this is the turning. This is the turning point week for, uh, for basically anybody else in the game. Uh, if you're not Janelle, uh, will or boogie, this is the week where you lost the game.

[00:56:39] Um, and, uh, that's because they managed to talk Erica into taking out her closest ally outside of my boogie. Danielle Reyes. This one killed me. I think the week before when Danielle sort of saw the writing on the wall, she knew James might go out. She started planting seeds with Janelle. Can we call a truce? Can we, you know, and then this week she had, you know, Erica won each week. She felt, felt good about that. And yeah, will and boogie just got to her.

[00:57:07] Um, cause she originally wanted Janelle and I think it was will who pushed her to do Danielle. And so yeah, against her best interest, not a fan of this. Cause obviously it sucked seeing Danielle go out like this. Yeah. Um, it's, it was, it was, uh, it was a rough outcome here because, um, you know, it, it was a situation where again, like Erica should not really have made this decision, but, but

[00:57:32] Will and boogie had this one, two punch of boogie with the emotional connection and will with the, uh, again, like devil on your shoulder, like, Hey, you should be doing what's good for you. Not what's good for Danielle. Like Danielle wants you to make this move, but is Janelle after you like, uh, like, uh, you know, all of this stuff, they literally like trap her, uh, in a room. Um, and Danielle is at the door trying to get in.

[00:58:02] They don't let her in brutal stuff. Well, I think Will slept in the HOH room that night. Cause he was like, I'm not letting her talk to Danielle. Uh, so yeah, that was, yeah. Uh, because they knew like if, if, if they allow Erica to properly talk to Danielle, like there are a lot of holes in the argument. Which they find, you know, Erica finds out later, but yeah. Uh, again, I have to, I hate to praise Dr.

[00:58:31] You know, well again, but this was really well done, you know, watching back. I remember it being impressive, but the way that he can manipulate people and put it back on them. And, and I hate to say gaslight a little bit. It's just, it's, it's, it's impressive. It's wild. Yeah. Uh, and, and I think actually I missed it earlier that, uh, the, the, the, um, the prize veto

[00:58:56] was Danielle's original HOH, uh, of course, um, which was when they, they were all throwing the veto in order for Dan, uh, for Janelle to win it. Danielle was pissed. She got it solitary confinement. Uh, and they also got plasma televisions and a trip to like Aruba. Aruba. Um, and, uh, this is the veto. I believe this is like the face morph veto that Janelle wins here.

[00:59:21] Um, so, uh, so with Janelle off the block, especially now it becomes like, are you taking out chicken George? George, are you taking out will or are you taking out Danielle? Um, and like, you know, yeah, you should probably just taking out will. Right. You think, um, you know, you take out will. What is, what is Janelle doing? Right. Is she going after Erica?

[00:59:49] Is she going after, or is she going after Danielle and bookie? Um, you know, like that's, it's not the worst thing in the world. Not to mention the fact that like, there's not even a lot that you can even do as the HOH anymore. It's more about the vetoes. Um, and, uh, and you, uh, you kind of have like, you know, I, we know that boogie would be pissed, but in, and I think in Erica's mind, right? Like, uh, Hey, boogie, you're supposed to be more loyal to me than will anyway. Right.

[01:00:16] So, um, which was insane that you believe that, but yes. Uh, but ultimately they get her to make this decision. And again, you can sort of see why she makes it ultimately. If she thinks she's locked in with boogie and boogie is telling her like, he's got will uh, unlocking key. Are we really going to waste a shot on George here? Um, we should be taking out Danielle. She's not to be trusted. She's the biggest threat left in the game. Um, and ultimately that's what she does.

[01:00:41] And, uh, she just gets shut out literally and figuratively. And that is the end of Danielle on big brother. Yeah. Unfortunate, but, um, you know, yeah, she had solitary confinement. Got locked out of the HOH room or, you know, closest ally got her at like put her on the block. It's a bad week for Danielle. Bad, uh, ending, I guess. Yeah. Um, but, but what, what a storyline here that throughout these like weeks, basically as soon

[01:01:09] as season six stops winning HOHs, like things just get so interesting and all of these really like poetic, uh, things happen. It's just like, uh, brutal, brutal stuff. But, uh, Janelle wins that next HOH at the final five. Um, and, uh, Erica wins the veto. So reverses what happens before. Um, and again here, it's like, well, what are we doing?

[01:01:35] Because, uh, you have a choice between evicting will or boogie or chicken George. I wonder who's it going to be. And, you know, really, uh, she didn't really have much of an option as soon as she nominates chicken George initially. Um, she can't undo that. Uh, you know, like if she had nominated say boogie and Erica, which she should have just done like that.

[01:02:05] She's just should have done that. Uh, Erica can win that veto. Oh, sorry, will I'm going to have to use you as a pawn. Um, you know, like, uh, and, and then you, then you take out boogie from there. Uh, I think chicken George is down to do that. Um, and, and I mean, from that point, like it's, again, it's a whole new ball game. Like, uh, like things are so different, but, um, but what, what will and boogie are doing is like, Hey, it's, you know, you're working with me.

[01:02:35] Therefore boogie is an ally. We, you know, who knows what chicken George will do. Um, and who knows what he would do. Right. He's such a threat. Um, again, I, this one was hard to rewatch a little bit because it's not the best look. It definitely made it seem like, and it was that, um, will was sort of pushing and manipulating a little bit there. Um, because yeah, what was, I mean, chicken George, what was he going to do? No offense.

[01:03:03] Just, just bad decision-making here in the end game, which is exactly why they needed to make sure that Danielle and James were not there. Yeah, no, a hundred percent. Um, and so that's going to be it for chicken George, who, uh, is the only big brother one player to play the actual big brother game that we know nowadays. Um, you know, didn't really work out too well for him. Uh, I definitely think he was more meant for, uh, for the season one version of the game.

[01:03:32] Um, it's funny because he's, uh, kind of known as one of the more game player, uh, you know, contestants from that season because of, uh, you know, like his, his family at home trying to like campaign for people to leave and so on and so forth. You remember way better than me. I don't even remember. Well, listen, we've been doing these podcasts. Yeah. Uh, so, um, but ultimately here he is just, he's just a bit over his head.

[01:03:58] There's really like, uh, there's not a lot of game happening for chicken George and, and all stars. No, he was, you know, he's cooking for the house, you know, being the nice guy. Yeah. He wasn't really driving strategy, I guess you would say. Um, uh, and that of course brings us to the final four. Uh, where Mike Boogie wins the HOH and he nominates Erica and Janelle.

[01:04:26] Janelle wins the veto and sends out Dr. Will Kirby. Um, I've talked about this before because I really feel like this is one of the more glaring missteps in the game of Dr. Will. Uh, it's something that a future Dan Giesling is going to implement correctly. Something that other players will implement correctly in the future.

[01:04:48] Um, and it's, it's that basically Dr. Will and Boogie approached both Erica and Janelle like, Hey, for Will, like, Hey, Janelle, it's you and me. We're against, uh, or sorry, it's you, me and Boogie. We're against Erica. Like, uh, like it's three of us against Erica. She's the enemy. We just can't let Erica win, uh, or we'll be in trouble. They went to Erica and they did the same thing. They approached Erica as a, as a team.

[01:05:17] Uh, it's like us three and we're against Janelle. Um, and the, the issue with this is that, uh, as soon as Janelle wins that veto, Erica has no incentive to not go to Janelle and say something because she now knows I'm screwed. If Janelle, if Janelle wins this, which means that that's like, Janelle's not going to evict Will. She's going to evict me.

[01:05:43] So I have to go to Janelle and tell her everything that Dr. Will and Boogie have been telling me, which is easily cut off. If they just, if they just separate, if they just say, listen, Janelle, I don't really know what Boogie is going to do anymore. Like, uh, it's you and me right now. Like, uh, it's, it's us and we just got to make sure we get the power in our hands. Um, and if we can get the power in our hands, then we'll be all right.

[01:06:10] Uh, and same thing with, with Boogie and Erica, like, Hey, you know, we're going to get married. We're going to have kids. We're having a baby. That's what they were saying. We'll push in that. I'm going to propose to you on finale. Uh, don't worry about it. Um, it's you and me against Will and Boogie. Uh, I'm sorry. Against Will and Janelle. Obviously Janelle is our bigger threat. We want to take out Janelle first, but like it's us.

[01:06:34] Um, and, uh, and that like gives them more deniability and provides the incentives of like, obviously Janelle, if she feels like it's, you know, two V two, why would you take out your partner to save the other person's partner? And you're going into a final three with two people who are taking each other. Um, and, and vice versa. And so, uh, instead it just became blatantly obvious and in almost an inevitable conclusion

[01:07:03] to the result of this veto that Janelle and Erica talk and they say, well, what have Will and Boogie been saying? Oh, they've been saying it's the two of us and me, uh, against you. Um, and it's like, oh my God, they've been playing us both for fools. It's just really the only way Janelle ever evicts. Like, because the thing is Janelle shouldn't evict Will here. She shouldn't like he's the worst competitor of the four remaining players.

[01:07:31] And, uh, and, and while she doesn't necessarily beat him in the final two, she can certainly beat him in the final three competition. And if she does that, she can take Boogie and, and win, uh, very likely. Um, and, uh, and so, you know, on top of that, like if say, you know, if she was able to, and obviously Boogie is not, you're not able to take out Boogie, but like Boogie is not taking you regardless. Uh, Erica is not taking you, uh, very likely.

[01:08:00] Um, and now there's an argument to made and the argument has been made that once they have this conversation, they bond, uh, Erica and Janelle, and they sort of agree they're going to take each other to the end. And that's a great scenario for, for Janelle. And you can see why she might then, uh, choose to, uh, to keep, uh, Will or to get rid of Will here. Um, which I certainly would credit to Erica, but also you have to, uh, sort of discredit Will and Boogie for allowing this path.

[01:08:27] Um, because it, it was actually like a pretty solid position they were in and it really took something very like, uh, like they shouldn't have lost this position. Uh, it, it took them really screwing up in order to, uh, to, to even leave an opening for this to happen. Um, it should have been rock solid and just wasn't, uh, they were, they, they just got a little too confident.

[01:08:50] Uh, they really, I think my theory is that Dr. Will, who is, uh, such a showman, he really wanted that segment of him and Boogie saying the exact same thing to both Janelle and Erica. So he could be in the diary room saying, look at these idiot girls. We're playing them off of each other. We're so smart. Um, and, uh, ultimately I think that's what cost him. Yeah. He also called Janelle a psycho in the hot tub.

[01:09:20] I don't think she was super happy about that at the end of the game. And then the other, again, Janelle and Erica weren't exactly like best friends. They were going after each other at different points in the game, but they were sort of, you know, hanging out together that you would see scenes of them in the hot tub. Obviously they were with, you know, operation double date. And so I did think that was a misstep of not assuming that they would talk at some point, especially like you said, once the veto was played. And so, yes, I agree. I think that was a miscalculation.

[01:09:49] I think even Boogie said like, we got too cocky and that's exactly what happened. Yeah. That's, uh, I, I, I see there's another sort of like, um, narrative that, that pops up here, which is that if Will had just kissed Janelle, uh, you know, if he had just kissed Janelle, um, which, you know, certainly has its merits as sort of a, a theory to posit here that, you know, does she flip if he kisses her?

[01:10:17] Um, you know, it's more so the fact that he refuses to, that is probably like not helping the situation, uh, to like convince her that they're, that, that she's not being played. Um, but, but personally, I think that, uh, like the ammunition that Erica had on Will and Boogie was so damning. I don't, I don't think a kiss is going to do it. I think that like, I think that Janelle is not stupid.

[01:10:44] And as soon as she hears from Erica, that they are saying the exact same thing to her and that they are, they are playing Janelle. Remember, this is the same Janelle who in season six would play chess with all the men who thought she was so dumb. She's very attuned to men thinking she's dumb and trying to play her. I think if she hears what Erica has to say, I don't think a kiss is going to do it. Um, I think it was really the setup that did it here. I agree. And I think, um, she had, you know, I think she thought the whole season she was in on

[01:11:14] the joke, right? Like she'd be like, well, I love you and we're flirting. And he'd be like, you know, not mean to her. I'd be like, oh yeah, whatever. Like, I don't want to kiss you. So I think she thought the whole time she was in on the joke. And then once Erica presented this, she was like, oh no, he's laughing at me, not with me. Um, so I think that also there was a lot of evidence. That's a very good point too. I could, because I think that the other thing you have to factor in here is that like, there's a reason she was pushing for the kiss at that moment. Right.

[01:11:41] She was already feeling like something is wrong. She's pushing for the kiss to be like, almost, I think to sort of prove to herself and to like the situation, like this is, this is wrong. Like he is trying to play me. She was already had that in her head. I don't think him like, uh, relenting and kissing her probably, I don't think that fixes the problem. I think that was just like one of the ways for her to sort of push the envelope and push the situation. They'd been, you know, hanging out all, all summer at this point.

[01:12:11] Uh, I think there's a reason it happens at this moment. Um, and it's because she's already doubting. Um, so exactly. Good point. Uh, so that's it. That's going to be it for Dr. Will Kirby. The end of his big brother, uh, history. Uh, he has not come back since. He has now returned to dealer, no deal Island. So who knows if that means he'll ever return to big brother. I doubt it. Uh, well, Taryn, I do.

[01:12:36] I do want to say I've, I fully believe maybe not well, but I fully believe if CBS did a short season, two, three weeks and actually paid people, they would get most of the people they wanted. I really believe that, but now it's, I don't know. Might be too far gone at this point. I mean, at this point, like the, a lot of these people, Derek has, has now is on the has been on the traders. Dan has been on the traders. Dr. Will has been on a dealer in a Island.

[01:13:04] Danielle came back for, uh, reindeer games and now the traders. Um, and a lot of these people not having a great time, uh, which I think is one of the biggest factors to not return to big brother is like wanting to protect their legacy, not wanting to like screw up and, and be looked at as a fool. But, uh, you know, they're all kind of performing poorly in these other shows. So I think that kind of breaks the seal a little bit to be like, all right, maybe I need to

[01:13:33] go back to my roots and show I can still do this. Right. Um, of course, another big factor is it's a very, it's the longest game. Uh, it's, it's by far the longest game out there. Um, and, uh, the most intense, you know, survivor is obviously intense, but it's only, you know, three days or whatever now, um, versus upwards of a hundred on big brother. Uh, it's a lot of time to be away from your family. You don't get paid a lot, uh, at least as a new player, uh, just to be there.

[01:14:02] Um, you know, that they, they did get paid a decent amount for all-stars, but, um, you know, it's, it's still, it's a huge commitment, um, on top of everything else. And so I think that is, uh, one of the things, but I think you're right. It's a shorter thing. Um, it's like a reindeer games ask kind of situation, uh, or maybe, maybe a bit longer than that. Maybe a celebrity big brother kind of situation. Yep. I think they can get a bunch of people and, um, you know, I, it would be, I think, you know, I think, I think they could do it. I think they could do it now. I agree.

[01:14:32] I think they should. If they want to re sort of revamp big brother a little bit, they're losing people to, to NBC and our Peacock. Um, I think this is sort of, I think this would be a smart step, but I don't, I don't see it happening. Sadly. Listen, all Dr. Will needs to do is what he normally does when he goes on one of these shows. I don't even care. I don't even care about winning. I'm just here to make good TV. You know, like I'm just. That, you know, that's exactly what he's going to say. Yeah, of course.

[01:15:03] Um, and, uh, I'm, I'm super curious to see what comes of me on deal or no deal island. Uh, and how, uh, and what he says, I guess. Um, but Dr. Will is out gives it, which gives us the final three of Mike Boogie, Erica and Janelle, of course, uh, bringing us to the, uh, and don't forget Mike Boogie in the diary room.

[01:15:28] Uh, so mad, so mad about these women who have dared to, uh, uh, you know, figure them out. Um, and, uh, and heads into this final three HOH pulls a Richard hatch says they both need to take me, which is not true. But that's what, that's what him and Will were good at convincing people what's in their best interest, which isn't in their best interest. Right. Say it enough.

[01:15:58] You can believe it. Uh, it's, this is, it's such a fitting way for Mike Boogie to like potentially win this entire game is by doing a wrong thing that turns out well for him because by stepping off immediately from this endurance competition, it freaks Janelle out. She gets distracted and she, she loses, uh, focus takes her hand off the thing or whatever it is. Um, and just like that, Erica wins part one, uh, Janelle is going to win, going to lose part two.

[01:16:28] Janelle, the favorite to win part one of the final three HOH. If she goes on to win this competition in, you know, instead of being distracted by Boogie doing that in the first few moments of this, of the comp, um, potentially goes on to win this HOH and probably wins this entire game. Um, and so, uh, if Boogie had done what he wanted to do and not accidentally taken Janelle out of the competition, uh, he likely loses here, uh, because no, they did not need to take him.

[01:16:57] And yes, he probably loses to Janelle anyway. Yep. Agree. Unfortunate. But that's not what happens. Uh, Janelle, Janelle loses part one, doesn't even make it to part three because she also loses part two to Mike Boogie, who has since realized his error seemingly. And Mike Boogie goes on to win the, uh, final three HOH and evicts Janelle, uh, which he needs

[01:17:25] to do if he wants to win this game, sitting next to Erica. Yeah. I wasn't, you know, thrilled with this final two at the time I was rooting for, you know, back and forth with Janelle. I think that's what I loved about this season. And my, you know, based on who was still left in the game, my sort of rooting interest kept changing. It was fun. I was definitely rooting for Janelle at this point. Um, obviously I, I had been rooting for Will, um, but, uh, but sort of like part, it really

[01:17:54] was for me, like coming in, I was all about Kaser and then Will took out Kaser in my mind, at least, uh, Will and Danielle. Cause I was rooting for Danielle, uh, as well as well for a while. Um, then Will takes out Danielle. It was really like, uh, it was a bounty. Like Danielle takes out Kaser. I'm rooting for Danielle. Will takes out Danielle. Now I'm rooting for, cause I didn't, I didn't count as Erica. Uh, now I'm rooting for Will. Janelle takes out Will. I, it's full circle. I'm back to Janelle. Um, and then she loses and I was like, all right, whatever.

[01:18:25] Whatever. It was a fun season. Yeah. Yeah. But we'll talk, I guess about the finale itself a little bit, but, um, yeah, she, and Erica got a lot of, a lot of eye rolling, a lot of hate, but like that round table, they, it was pretty obvious that Erica was not going to win. Yes. Um, this is a jury. Uh, well, let's, let's just, let's finish, uh, on, on Janelle here.

[01:18:49] Uh, uh, I would say like, so, um, Janelle, we talked about last, last week, season six wasn't exactly like known for being a comp beast, even though she did win a decent amount, uh, for the era. She sets a record this season, winning the first HOH co-HOH with Jace, uh, the following veto, um, then the week four HOH, then week five veto week six HOH week.

[01:19:13] Uh, this is the eighth of, you know, technically it's still week seven cause it was double eviction. Uh, then the following veto again, then the following HOH, then veto, uh, and then loses that, uh, that final three HOH, but she was immune, um, from the one final seven to the final three, um, for four straight rounds. Uh, she was immune from eviction and, uh, she just needed one more and, uh, she would have

[01:19:42] had the win there. Um, a record set that is going to be very difficult to beat. Um, only one person has tied the win percentage. That's going to be Michael in season 24. Uh, her record in terms of total numbers has now been beat by Jag, uh, with the caveat that Jag played in many more competitions than Janelle did to get there. So the percentage is not quite there. Uh, he's also evicted. He's also evicted in between.

[01:20:12] So, you know, there's that too. Um, so, uh, but the, but that win percentage, uh, is, is, is very, very impressive. Um, winning, uh, I believe 60% of, uh, of like every competition she played in, uh, that season. Um, so, you know, it just an incredible thing. You do have to consider the fact that, um, that, uh, a few of those competitions were thrown to her perhaps.

[01:20:41] Uh, but like not, not significantly. So, you know, like Mike and, and will both throwing that veto competition. Uh, that's like two out of the six people competing. We're not going to win anyway, probably. So exactly, which, which happens all the time anyway. Uh, like a lot of times in veto competitions, people are not trying their hardest, uh, to win. So, um, you know, we get, we give Janelle her flowers anyway. Yes, of course.

[01:21:09] Um, so, uh, ultimate competitor. She comes back for season 14 as a bit of a, uh, an early exit, um, again, because of boogie, uh, and then comes back in 22, um, and, uh, and just, just loses out to Tyler, uh, in that HOH competition and, uh, and goes out, um, in that season as well.

[01:21:35] Not able to replicate her, uh, competition success, which is, uh, truly a shame and a representative of the new era of competitions that, um, have changed so significantly that even the, uh, the legend Janelle is not able to, cause it's not like Janelle was like. The, cause she is very physically fit and capable, but it's not like she was like the physical beast that was dominating physical comps. She was winning all kinds of things, quiz comps, skill comps, all kinds of stuff like that.

[01:22:04] Um, and so it's not like, oh, well, of course she's not competitive anymore with these like younger players. Now that it's season 22, it's that no, the, just the competitions are just different. Uh, the, the comp she came the closest in was a still a still comp that she lost to a fricking bowler, uh, who was doing essentially a bowling competition. Um, you know, like, what do you want? Um, so, uh, that's going to be it for Janelle, but really cementing her legacy, uh, in the

[01:22:33] history of the show here in her all-star performance as a lot of people are rooting for her to take this one home. Yeah. I listen, you love her, hate her. She, at least in my opinion is on the Mount Rushmore of, of big brother players. So props to Janelle. And on the cover of big brother six, um, of course, Erica loses to Mike boogie in the final two, uh, big, big reputation hits for Erica in all stars.

[01:23:01] Um, I would say most people in all stars came away with their reputations intact. Um, you know, Alison, you know, took a little bit of a hit, but I don't think anybody was like, Oh, Alison's not good anymore. Um, Danielle performs admirably. She loses, but nobody's like, Oh, Danielle is not good because of that. Um, maybe the Comis and Diane get a little, take a bit of a hit here, um, because they performed so well in their previous season, then went out so early in this season. But I don't think it really took away from their performance in the original season

[01:23:30] or like took, you know, many of their fans away. Um, you know, it may be Howie, maybe Marcellus to some degree, but I think Marcellus still retains his fans. Uh, there are certainly people that are disappointed in Kaser, but I think it's Erica who takes the biggest hit here. Um, she was such a fan favorite in season four. Um, she was so like, uh, likable despite some, uh, some controversies in a season of controversies and unlikable players.

[01:23:58] And in all stars, she seemed to just crumble in the face of the manipulation by Mike Boogie, uh, and Dr. Will taking out, uh, one of her own allies, um, which is always a bad look. Uh, you know, flash forward, you know, uh, to 20, uh, 20, uh, 19 seasons, um, is taking out your own allies. Still not a great look. Still loses you the game in the final two. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:24:25] If someone proposes that, no, there's a reason there's a reason. Yeah. Oh God. Um, and, and as I was about to say before, like this jury was very ready to award the most cutthroat aggressive game style, uh, this season. It was a, it was a cast full of people who were like ready to do that. Danielle was on this cast.

[01:24:50] She was, you know, the recipient of a holier than thou kind of like, you know, I'm not going to give it to the best player kind of jury. You had will on the jury, um, who obviously was always going to vote for Boogie anyway, but even so would always vote for the more aggressive liar, manipulator game player, uh, there he's going to respect Janelle who really respects, uh, gameplay. And then Howie, who's going to do what Janelle was going to, um, so like, and of course,

[01:25:18] James, who is always going to vote for, you know, that style of gameplay. Um, you know, you really only had Marcellus on the jury who was, uh, representing the kind of, uh, jury that, uh, would be like, Oh, let's, let's think about who, who do I like more? You know, who do, who do I respect more? Uh, who, who do I, uh, have feel better about? Um, you know, he, and he, of course he was on the jury that, uh, that gave Lisa the win, but Marcellus is vastly outvoted here.

[01:25:47] Marcellus is the only person to vote Erica on this jury. Um, this was a stacked jury for somebody like Boogie or will to win. Um, and, uh, Erica playing the game that she did never had a shot here in the final two. No, I was going to say like her jury questioning was not great. She was trying to take, you know, credit for getting out Danielle. She was saying she convinced Janelle to obviously get at will and people are rolling their eyes.

[01:26:14] It was very reminiscent, maybe not to the same degree, but the Enzo vote versus Cody, that next all-stars of like kind of, not that they were laughing at her, but it was pretty much like, girl, we're not voting for you. Yeah. So yeah, it's, it's, it's happened so many times. It's, it's one of the reasons why I was so frustrated with MJ, uh, in season 26. It's just like, just know your history because this has happened so many times that like, you're going to try to claim that it was your move, but it was, nobody's going to believe it.

[01:26:41] And you're insulting the person whose actual move it is. Yeah. It's, uh, it's, it's not great. Um, and so that's going to be it for Erica and all-stars, of course, leaving Mike Boogie, the winner of all-stars, uh, probably the worst part of the season. I mean, yeah, looking back, all-stars is a top season, except if you count winner into your sort of factoring, which some people do and some people don't.

[01:27:09] But yeah, that was, that was the sort of worst part of the season. I agree with that. Yeah. It's sort of the thing where like for a long time, Mike Boogie, the winner of all-stars, it's like, ah, disappointing ending, but Hey, it was still a great season. Mike played pretty well. Like it's not that bad. Then you get into like, uh, all the stuff that happened later with Mike and Will and it's like, Oh, now it's even worse. Now it's. Now it's a good point.

[01:27:39] Maybe I think about it worse now because of everything that's come since. Um, and then, yeah, I'm not sure. I'm trying to think of like how his big brother 14 game sort of played into his legacy. That did not help either. Yeah. Yeah. Cause of the Ian stuff and get to step in and yeah. So I don't know. Good for him. Yeah.

[01:28:01] Uh, I would say, unfortunately, because of the outcome, the, the season did not age as well as it could have. Um, and I think that's one of the reasons why I think for a long time, what I saw in the fandom was two best seasons. The two best seasons are season 10 and season seven. They're always the two best season. And I still think they are to some degree in the minds of many fans. Um, however.

[01:28:29] There was a shift that happened over time. Um, that I think pretty conclusively was like, you know, it was, it usually leaned towards season 10, but now it's a pretty heavy lean towards season 10. Season 10 is kind of like the de facto, uh, favorite season and not, not for everyone, of course, but sort of like the more consensus favorite season. I think it's because it just ages better. Uh, it has a better result.

[01:28:54] Um, and, uh, it's just a little more of a whole package, um, you know, then, then season seven, but, uh, but season seven, nobody could argue with you if you said this was your favorite season, because it's a phenomenal one. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, most of the competitions I believe were won by women. There was a lot of like good things. Like you said, there's a lot of stuff that didn't age well as I was watching these clips. I'm like, Whoa. Um, and I'm sure that's the feeds too. Yeah, exactly. It was, Oh my God. Um, but yeah. And then obviously season 10 is all newbies.

[01:29:24] So I don't know if people take that into consideration when they're picking their favorites, but yeah, I agree. At the end of the day, season seven is a very, very, very good season. Even if the ending kind of was like, and Mike Boogie is a winner too. I think has, uh, even before the more recent controversy, I do think his performance on season 14 did not speak super well to his like gameplay ability without will. It was like, how would Mike perform without will? We've never seen that happen before, uh, outside of that final three HOH competition where he mistakenly stepped off.

[01:29:53] Um, like how would he actually perform? And it turns out not great. Uh, not great. Um, so, uh, that didn't help. Um, and, and, you know, when you do look at the season, he does a lot of the groundwork for will, um, he's the one like gathering the allies. He's the one that helps put the Legion of doom together. Um, you know, it's him that, that locks in Erica much more so than will will certainly gets, uh, helps get Erica to, uh, to take out Danielle for them, which is a key point

[01:30:23] in the game. But, uh, but without the, like the relationship that Mike was able to build with her, it's, it's totally different. Um, we're now watching, you know, I guess, uh, we'll play, uh, a game without Boogie, which, uh, and Dondi, um, like without having that built in locked in ally. Um, but, um, but yeah, I mean, Mike boogies game here, you know, you go back to it and it's

[01:30:49] not bad, but there's also nothing particularly like great about it. Um, and that's disappointing for such a great season, um, to have such a kind of like, okay, sure. Kind of winner. Hmm. Yeah. Like you said, he was playing, um, good cop, bad cop a lot with, with will, which did work. So I give him some credit, um, of course, but I think, yeah, I, I, I, I think it was

[01:31:18] with will that sort of was the key factor in sort of getting in there. Yeah. Um, all right. Well, uh, that's the cast of big brother all-stars. Any final thoughts here, uh, on the season? Hmm. No, I mean, I just, I just love the season. I got to see my favorites, even if you're not like thrilled with the winner. I just, it was really fun. I watched it back in the last week. And again, I'm drawing a lot of parallels to how people are playing now in new games, which is fun.

[01:31:47] And you're like, oh, they used to do that or they didn't do that. Um, so that's always fun too, is looking back at how people played back then versus now. So that's all, that's all great. Well, the question then becomes, oh gosh, who's on the poster. Am I answering this Taryn or are you? Are we both? We both have to answer. Okay. I'm glad you put the cast up. Okay. Well, we both agree. Will is on the poster.

[01:32:15] No, I think Will has to be on the poster. Has to be. I think Janelle has to be on the poster. Yep. But who's the third person? Well, you would assume it'd be the winner. Boogie, but I'm trying to think. I think. Honestly, it probably has to be Boogie, even though I'd prefer it to be like Danielle or Kayser. I don't think my pick on this one. I think my pick would be Danielle. Personally.

[01:32:43] I think that the three biggest players of the season, that season were Will, Janelle. Will, in terms of his machinations, Janelle in terms of her competition dominance. And then Danielle as like the biggest like outside threat to all of what was happening. Um, the game falls into place when, when Danielle goes down. Um, and Danielle was always like the biggest op of season six to begin with.

[01:33:12] Um, so, you know, I, I personally think that Danielle takes that third spot on the, on the poster. I don't know. I don't know what the audience is going to say. Cause there's certainly an argument for Boogie. Uh, you could certainly make an argument for Erica. Um, you would even make an argument for Kayser or Chicken George. Chicken George in one of his punishment costumes. Yeah. I, I'm, I would lean winner just because it's the winner. They gotta be on the poster. Right.

[01:33:41] But if I had it my way, of course I would pick Danielle. Of course. So question. All right. Well, of course you can go to robbzwebsite.com slash BB retrospective and cast your vote. Who should be on the poster? Who are the three who should be on the poster for season seven? We will reveal the results next week when we talk about season eight, uh, the rivals season. That's a good one. Um, uh, it's a wild one.

[01:34:12] It's definitely wild. Definitely wild. Yeah. Uh, definitely another controversial ending. Yeah. Um, but plenty to talk about for season eight. So tune in next week for that. Um, and in the meantime, make sure you're voting for, uh, who's going to be on this poster. Uh, and, uh, Sharon, what are you up to? Where can people find you? Yeah. I'm, you know, podcasting on the, about the traders right now.

[01:34:40] Um, you can follow me at Sharon Tharp or my podcast at exclusively pod, uh, on all platforms. I'm on YouTube, on Spotify, all of that good stuff. And of course I'll be covering big brother when it comes back, obviously. And, you know, we might have some other shows to talk about that involve big brother players. Taryn, let's see. Oh boy. Actually, you should be covering that. Well, I don't know, maybe. Um, all right. Well, that's what we have for you then this week.

[01:35:08] Thank you so much for joining us. Uh, I'll be back next week to cover big brother eight here in the off season in the lead up to big brother 27. And, uh, yeah. Thank you for joining us. I will see all of you next time.