Big Brother 4: A Weekly Big Brother Season Retrospective

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[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_04] Und willkommen zu unserem Big Brother off-season content hier. The Big Brother Retrospective Podcast.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_04] Ich bin Ihre host, Taryn Armstrong, und heute haben wir hier zu sprechen über Season 4 von Big Brother. Big Brother 4 mit mir zu sprechen über Big Brother 4 ist Sasha. Wie geht's denn, Sasha?

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_05] So ready. Wir sind hier. Ich bin der Most Cracked Person auf R.H.A.P. ist hier zu sprechen über die Most Cracked Season. I'm ready. June Defenders, let's rise.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_04] The X Factor. Get it? I believe this is the first season to have a subtitle.

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_05] X on TV. Oh.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_04] Perhaps also X is on TV. I don't know. I'm pretty sure, what was it? Temptation Island was, I guess those weren't X, although they might have become X's fairly quickly.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_03] No, I just said sex.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_04] Oh, sex. Well, that, no, yes. I mean, Big Brother, listen, Big Brother US was late to the party on that one.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_05] Fair, fair, fair.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_04] Big Brother US is, I think, what I meant to say. If I didn't. But, yes. Sex, X's, and subtitles, all a part of Big Brother 4. And we're going to talk about all of it. And we're also going to talk about who should be on the poster. And in what order. Because let me tell you, there's a survey, BB Retrospective, or sorry, it's robeswebsite.com slash BB Retrospective.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_04] And I'm looking at the current standings for season four. It's a tie on the top. It's a tie. Well, I say it's a tie. It's a tie by percentage. There's actually a one vote difference. So, listen, your vote matters. Your vote matters. You can go there right now. Vote on Big Brother 4. But, I need to also reveal the results.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_04] The final results for season three that we talked about last week. Sasha, if you had your pick, who's your top three for BB3?

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_05] Oh, my gosh. Obviously. We are number one. I think Jason will be number two. And I'm trying to think who three would be. Like, is it fair? Because you won. You get to be. Yeah. Fine.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_04] You put Lisa number three?

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah. We'll give Lisa. It's fine.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_04] All right. Well, here are the results. Here is the poster for season three.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_05] It's Danielle. Oh, yes.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_04] Marcellus, number two. And Jason, number three.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_05] You know what? I love. I love. I'm so happy to be wrong.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_04] Listen, I think this makes sense. I do. Marcellus was surely a star of the season. And not many people, you know, better at the diary room, I think, than Marcellus Reynolds.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah. And if we're going to talk about even impact, BB4 had a whole gnome competition because of Marcellus. And then they have Marcellus talking about it. So just it's giving impact. It's giving icon. I love it.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_04] Well, there you go. There is our Big Brother 3 poster as we head from 2002 into the year 2003 for Big Brother 4. Again, the X Factor. Sasha, what is your history with Big Brother 4?

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_05] I did not watch it live. I started watching Big Brother around eight, I want to say, live. But listen, your girl loved it. We went back and watched everything. And I want to say Big Brother 4 with June. Iconic representation. Everything. You name it. Just obsessed with this season.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_05] And I feel like 4 and 6 are the reason I stay with Big Brother. Because they just don't do it like them anymore. Just no one's this messy. Okay.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_04] Quite messy. I would say for me, Big Brother 4 is probably the one that I paid attention to the least as a kid. Having watched 2 and 3. And then 5, I think because of Project DNA, was very engaging. I think as a, let's see, it was 2003. So at this point, I was like roughly 11 years old.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_04] I think the concept of exes was not super interesting to me. I was like, I don't even know what that is.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_05] Wait. Imagine 11-year-old Taryn being like, yeah, man, these girls. Or whatever. But these people. Yeah. You and G, right? Together. Just smoking. Stress the hell out. But Taryn and Chad, think about your worst ex. And now they are in the Big Brother house with you. What are you doing, Taryn?

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_04] I mean, that's the thing, right? Like, that is the conundrum that these players found themselves in, many of them at least. And it was the first time in the history of the U.S. version of the show that they weren't all strangers. And not only were they not strangers, but they were exes.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_05] Nightmare. Like, are you staying in the house is my question.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_04] I mean, yeah. You're going to stay? I'm not. I.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_05] Oh, my God. I think. Like, if it's the worst ex that I'm thinking of. Like, I would be like, lie. And just say like, oh, I have to leave or I'm going to make sure I make his life a living hell that he pulls a Scott.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_04] So, listen, there are a few different reactions, right? There's. There's. We'll talk about the different players. But like, well, let's let's just quickly, you know, I can just jump to. Here's our cast. And there's Scott. Scott and Amanda. They were a couple. Who knows how? But, you know, it happened.

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_04] And they. Scott did not take it well.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_05] Scott is so embarrassing. Like, Scott, grow up. You know what I mean? Amanda is like so much younger than him. Scott just cannot handle anything. Right. And and let's not forget. I feel like he couldn't handle anything. And on top of that, June. Just like kept digging. Kept digging. Well, the chair could have hit me. The chair could have hit me.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_04] Yes, we did.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_05] He couldn't.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_04] We did the the Big Brother Four blockumentary. If you're interested in like a real deep dive on Big Brother Four. I went through the live feed archives. We talked to June. And one of the things that she told us was that, yeah, she really was like doing her best to make sure that Scott was ejected from the game.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_05] And that truly we should have known that she was going to win that season. You know what I mean? Like, who does that? That's so good. And this wasn't even her ex. That's the joke.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_04] Well, see, that's that's the thing. So there's Scott and Amanda. They did not handle it well. Amanda was fairly chill about the whole situation. But Scott really could not handle what was happening. Then you had Michelle.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_05] Bless her.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_04] And David. You'll know that like these are in order and we'll talk about them in more depth in just a moment. But like the couples are just being eliminated.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_05] No, they're eliminating themselves because it's Amanda even try. She said, I'm here for a good time. Not a long time.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_04] We'll talk about that. But like they also like were kind of like, you know, we we like did we even date almost was kind of the vague sort of thing there. Wasn't a big deal for them. Then you had a few singles in there. Then you had Justin. And of course, Allison later on. Allison's response to finding out her ex was in the house was to cry. To sob.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_04] And, you know, June has said like her reaction was, oh, my God, like. She's terrified like this is this was this guy like abusive, like what's happening. But then you kind of find out that the reason she's crying is not because of Justin, but because of her current boyfriend being. She's like my current boyfriend is going to have none of this with me in here with him.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_04] And then as the season progresses, you start to sort of like, oh, this is not a situation of like I'm trapped in here with you. This is you're all trapped in here with me.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_05] Oh, my God. When I tell you, they don't make them like Allison anymore. And I say that as a big brother and amazing race consumer, because let's not forget she did so much dirt on big brother for. And that man, Donnie, spoiler alert, ends up staying with her question mark. And they go on the amazing race to be even more dysfunctional than she ever was on big brother.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_05] It's just I. I dream to be friends with people like Allison because they have zero understanding of anything. They she and she's just so hot that she's like, I'm just going to make it happen. And guess what? These dummies fell for it. OK, Nathan, stupid. G is stupid. All of them. Justin, dumb. I love.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_04] Well, of course, the other final reaction, June had a reaction to seeing G, which was. Oh. This could be useful to me. And and that, I think, is, you know, ideally the reaction that you would have here if you find out that your ex is on the cast that like we we know each other. Like we can we can do something here, especially if you play up like, oh, we're ex.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_04] Because obviously we're going to be enemies. But then you have an actual connection to this person. You know, they dated for years. Like, you know, not only do you have that connection, but June also knows who G is like on an intimate level. Like she understands what makes him work and knows how to manipulate him. Her own words.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_05] Bless G's heart. Oh, my God. But again, I just feel like that makes June one of a kind on account that they hated each other so much. G was much kinder. I feel like to June the June was to him. Again, whatever. We support women's rights and wrongs on this podcast. And the point is that G just didn't know what hit him versus like anyone else, like a Robert and Erica. Right.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_05] They were almost like, oh, we both hate each other. I don't know what to do. I'm in shambles. I'm in shambles. And that's how I would be because I was like, again, if I did, you know, because I'm toxic. So if I did someone dirty and then they came back, I'm like, they're going to get me out because of how terrible I was. So I don't know. I just feel like June has like nerves of steel.

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_05] And G, I think just got just got caught up a little bit in June's web. And I love that for me personally.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_04] This is the kind of like thing where it's like, OK, would they do this nowadays? Would they put ex-boyfriends and girlfriends into a house? I mean, it's certainly still a concept, I think, for other reality shows. But those shows don't have live feeds and are a lot less likely to like get in trouble for the kinds of like things that might happen.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_04] And, you know, obviously, when you go for exes, you're going for typically, I would imagine the most toxic situations you can find because those are the most dramatic. But then you also might get into a situation you can imagine, especially in a more modern season, a scenario where people are watching at home.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_04] Like, how could you do this to to to this person to stick them in the in this house with dangling money in front of them and say, you know, you have to put up with this person that is like abusive to you in some way. Like like it feels risky. And obviously, they never return to this concept.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_05] And that's their bad, because the thing is, you know, I also forgot Erica. Right. I know. It's fine. I talked about him. But I will say, I just think that therapy speak would would ruin like this now. Right. They're like you gaslighter. Well, you ghosted me. Can you imagine me like you breadcrumb me? The older people are like, what's what's breadcrumbing? And what's benching?

[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_05] What's gaslighting? And the thing is, do we do people even date anymore? It's all situationships anyway.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_04] So I don't know. I mean, that's that to me was like David and Michelle. Right.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_05] Michelle. I mean, what were Robert and Erica?

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_04] I mean, they were like, like pretty serious, right?

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah. Whatever. Like he cheated. Again, in that. Oh, my God. Like if someone that cheated on me. Well, I only have one that ever cheated on me. One X. And if he was there, I actually I couldn't even be mad at him because like whatever. We were young. But if someone that cheated on me was like normal in the house with me as an adult, I'm burning their clothes at least.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_04] Well, I feel like it would be pretty good indication of like how loyal they might be in the game. Right?

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_05] Loyal to who? Not me.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_04] That's what I'm saying. Like, listen, if you cheat on your relationship, then.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_05] And unfortunately, I would lie about them. And I would be like, they did this and they just make up nonsense. Oh, it's your word against mine. So what does it matter? I'm just lying. I'm doing everything to try to get them out. Ain't no way. And don't bring my like a nice X to bring back. You know, what's the point? What's the point?

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. Then it's just an advantage at that point.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah. I only have one like super toxic X that I would be like legit stressed. And I would just make up lies to get them out. There's no way.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_04] Well, that's that is the concept for Big Brother for there's no real shift in how the game works apart from the fact or I shouldn't say that there are a couple of shifts for how the game works coming into Big Brother for one. One is that every power of veto is now a golden power of veto, meaning you can remove yourself from the block, which was a necessary change. Nobody.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_04] It was very rarely was the veto used in season three because you couldn't use it on yourself, which meant that you weren't even trying to necessarily win it if you were on the block. And and so that you needed to be able to use it on yourself, not to mention the fact that the first time you were able to use it on yourself, it wasn't used on yourself. And that was pretty entertaining and dramatic. So you want to provide more opportunities for that. Also.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_04] Probably more importantly, really, juries are now sequestered. You do not want to allow the jury to see the diary room sessions or the edited episodes. And that is pretty key, both strategically and for the show, because. Nobody's ever going to be unfiltered in the diary room if they're afraid that it's going to cost them the win in the end. So.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_05] Oh, my God. Can I know we'll probably talk about jury later on, but how much money Big Brother had? Because what the hell are they doing in the jury house? They were in Mexico, I believe. Jet skiing, going fishing, doing this. The house was nice as hell, too. Big Brother, where is the money?

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_04] I don't know. So with that in mind, they entered the game. And this is actually a fairly interesting game strategically, because there are a couple of unique factors. One is the exes. Right. So you have this group of five people that come in after the original eight were already in the game.

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_04] So you have eight people in the house. They're hanging out, bonding. They find out before the exes come in that the exes are coming. This causes them to freak out. Nobody knows whose ex is going to be coming in. Nobody wants their ex to come in. They all make a pact. We're going to stick together. We're going to take out all of the exes first.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_04] So immediately, you've created a scenario where there is a big eight person alliance in an era where that didn't happen. And so they now have this big group. And then the exes come in and they are being targeted by these eight people. They bond together like we need to stick together. We're being targeted. They have their own sense of identity as the exes.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_04] And so they end up forming their own kind of thing. They quickly start to lose numbers, but it eventually becomes the three stooges. But really, they're the exes alliance. And so you have these two groups, one bigger than the other, that start the game. And what ends up happening here, because these two groups are fairly well formulated, like there's lines delineating the two groups, while there is movement in between the two, they end up staying the way they are.

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_04] Typically, what happens is if there's a majority alliance, the people on the outside, they don't have a proper resistance. Because, okay, there's eight people, we have four. We're going to just like hang out as four people and be like, screw you guys, we're going after you. No, you're going to run and hide like little rats and be like, oh, I'm fine. Don't look at me. Look at the other person from this four-person thing. Like, I'm good. Like, I'm going to suck up to you.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_04] But the exes didn't have that luxury. They knew that they were exes. They knew that they were being targeted. They stuck together. And that created a two-sided house. Pretty rare in Big Brother. But it created a two-sided house. And that is what allowed the floating strategy to be fully implemented for the first time. So that's kind of like the landscape that we're here at strategically, Sasha.

[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah, and another thing I want to say just about BB4, I feel like specifically, which we see later on, but really specifically for this season, is in addition to the floating, is that everyone almost knew where most people were. Like, you would try, right, to get G to turn in that steel cage, HOH, or they tried to get, like, folks to turn, but they knew. June's a snake. Allison's a snake.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_05] They're going to do whatever the hell they want. But we, in our, you know, without the floaters, we got to figure out what the heck we're doing. And it was all out in the open, which felt crazy to me. Because, again, from what we're used to seeing now in Big Brother, but it was out in the open and you saw people, like, game around it. And it was only the HOH that felt like always was left out. Everyone else knew what was going on.

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_04] I mean, it was a very, very much a reaction to, again, the previous season, the secret alliance being the thing that really dominates. Big Brother 4 has very few secrets. And as you said, everything is out in the open. There are two sides at war. And those two sides persist for basically the entire season because the X's side turned out to be kind of the stronger side.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_04] They won more competitions. They were able to pull over a number in Dana. And they just started, like, really just decimating the other side. And in the meantime, there were smart players like June and Allison that were just that were the rats that I just talked about that were just like they were on the big side. And they were like, hey, guys, when you're taking shots at us, not me. Right.

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_04] Because I'm with you.

[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_05] And everyone knows this. That's what I'm saying. But they still somehow don't. What can you do? Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing. They're just like, oh, shucks. We know these two are crazy. But let's try to get the other side because there's a little bit of glimmer. You know what? Even though they jump ship all the time and they follow power, maybe just maybe what they're telling me is true. What they're telling the other side isn't.

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_04] Well, it's like the thing is that. So just just to really reset this. Two sides of a house. A floater is somebody that floats back and forth between the two sides, depending on which side has power at the time. That is what June is kind of the pioneer of. And in the case of June, everybody saw her doing it. It wasn't secret.

[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_04] She like you can see that she's hanging out all the time with the exes when, you know, Justin is HOH. And then when Erica's HOH, she's hanging out with the elite eight again. You see that happening. But the thing is that when you know you have an enemy in front of you, that is these these three strong guys who are winning competitions and super loyal to each other. Never going to like you're you're always going to be at best number four with them.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_04] Like you don't have an in over there. Do you have your own side? You know that if they win, they're targeting your side. What can you really do about somebody that's going back and forth? It's just an individual person who's being a snake, being untrustworthy. You know, you can't trust them and you can't rely on them. But.

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_04] If you took your if you won an HOH and you wasted your shot on June, you're just leaving the game wide open for those other guys to win and take you out, because who do they have left to take out? Certainly not any middle people left. It's got to be you. It's not going to be them. So like you can't you can't do it. We're going to see in season six, ultimately, a couple of people how we make the mistake of trying to target the middle person. And it's a very terrible play. So you kind of just have to keep going after the other side.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_04] And and hey, when you are in power, they support you. They're a number for you. So it's like, what can you really do about this? The problem is this can devolve into a race to the bottom. You know, your entire group can devolve into, well, we're all trying to play the middle and therefore we don't even have a side anymore at all. Um, that didn't happen because the elite eight started with more numbers. And also June was just better at doing this than they were.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_04] She had an in with G and, uh, and she, she just was able to like continue to fuel the fire of the two sides going after each other while, uh, reaping the rewards of, uh, of that position. And Allison saw what she was doing and she was like, I want in, uh, she ends up doing it pretty successfully herself as well. Um, but for players like Erica and Jack, they just were never as capable of wheeling and dealing in the same way.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_04] They were too straightforward. Um, and so it never really worked for them, but that's, that's basically what like strategically was going on.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah. I loved it. Again, it was truly a joy. I actually ended up watching this whole season to prepare for this pod and it was truly so fun to watch. I found myself giggling so much and, and just how absurd it is. And, and of course, a lot of it does not stand the test of time, but the thing is every single one of them is just nonsense.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_05] Said crazy stuff about, you know, they were homophobic, misogynist, like you fill in the blank, right? Racist, all of it, all of it. Not one person came unscathed, right? Like came out being like, even though Erica tried it and was like, everyone talks so bad about baby girl. What were you doing? Talking about Koreans. Okay.

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_05] But to me that like is what makes this even funnier is that they all try to be so self-righteous. All of them a mess. Every single one.

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_04] Very, very messy cast for sure. In many ways. All right. Let's, let's talk about some of them individually here. We talked a little bit about Scott. He is ejected from the game. Him and Justin Sebeck, you know, hand in hand at this point. The first two people ejected from big brother. He threw a chair. He, he really just like had a bit of a tantrum.

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_04] And.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_05] But over what, you know what I mean? Like I was watching it and I truly, Taryn was like, no, but I don't understand what set him off. Like, is it that Amanda didn't want you or you, you know, or it's, it's just the pressure of being in the big brother house. Very valid. But it felt like almost overnight. He just went. This ain't it.

[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_04] I believe that. I believe, I believe this. There were rumors of like some health situations that were that he had, he had discovered. And, and so they, it's, it did not, did not work out well for Scott. I believe he was a bit of a fan of the show prior to going on. But this, you know, it's, he, he really, he really just could not handle the pressure of the game.

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_04] And, you know, was, was not very kind to his fellow house guests. So, um, ejected from the game. That is.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_05] Bye. Don't let the chair hit you on the way out.

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_04] Then you have Amanda. The first person voted out of big brother for, uh, also has the title of, uh, I guess one of the first two people. Say it. Say it. To have sex in the big brother U S house. Uh, grandma's going to love this one. High five.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_05] Did my girl know she was playing big brother? I don't know, but, but I love her in the way that we love her boots. You know what I mean?

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_04] Like, uh, big brother. We talked about this a little bit before, but big brother really did operate on controversy and it operated on like promiscuity, like sexual activity, the promise of it, of like what might happen. Um, and, uh, big brother U S had a hard time, uh, finding that, um, you know, there was a little bit of playfulness there in, uh, in season two, but, uh, it was a bit toned down in season three.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_04] Uh, despite the, the, the bikinis, uh, the peanut butter bikinis. Um, but, uh, Amanda comes in, uh, her and, uh, David, they're just, they just go at it. They're just down.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_05] Honestly, like that's nuts that that was the first time sex ever happened in the big brother house. And, and I just, I couldn't believe it. Also in general, this house was so H word, you know, like, I mean, horny, like they, they were all right. Like men, women, it did not. Actually the women, I feel like more than the men were just like ready and poor Nathan, you know what I mean?

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_05] But it's just, it felt like they were ready. And it was, it's like refreshing to watch that for me because you're just usually used to maybe men, um, and it being one-sided rather. Sorry, I should say, cause I don't want to just blame it. That's not fair. Um, but either way, it just, it felt like, uh, Dana was like, no, but let me, Adam, let me get a man.

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_04] Well, I think the thing too, about this particular situation was that it felt especially sort of, um, and maybe, maybe this is not like, I don't know much. I haven't seen a lot of like interviews with Amanda and David since their time in the big brother house. But like, I think that watching it back, you sort of get the sense that this feels at least watching it feels kind of empowering because of the situation.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_04] Amanda was in with Scott and his like kind of possessiveness that he seemed to have over her. Um, and, uh, and the fact that like, they were just like, whatever, like we are free to do whatever we want.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_05] Um, it was like, like when you do dumb shit when you're young. Oh my God.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_04] Like, I don't know how they feel about it now. Yeah. Do either of them like remember fondly? Like, yeah, I was the first person to have sex with my brother house. Um, or are they kind of like, Ooh, that was like, I was young and dumb. Cause like, honestly, you can't, you can't fault them for either reaction if that's how they feel about it. Um, but, uh, but big brother finally got what it wanted and, and boy, did it promote the fact as well.

[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_05] I'm telling you just hearing Julie Chen say half the thing she was saying in, on big brother for, I was like, who is that? God first, Julie. Julie, I enjoy, I can't say this.

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_04] Love one another, Sasha.

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_05] You're right. But I don't think it was love. It's the other L. But then David's ratchet ass was like, later on, we get the, I washed my mouth with mouthwash. After you low down, dirty dog. And the fact that just put me in a room with, let me just real quick. Cause that's so crazy to say after you have sex with someone like he's trash for that.

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_04] Hmm. Um, I, I don't remember this. So what he was saying like. Yeah. He said like he had breath or was it like.

[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_05] No, that he just wasn't into it or some nonsense. It's giving. She rejected me. So I'm going to talk. You know what I mean? So he was like, and that big brother shady. They included a clip of him like washing his mouth. But you can't, it could be at any time that it doesn't have to be right after this, but either way, I just, they don't, I will not forget that. You said that about my girl.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_05] Cause just live your life. Okay. You just say, Oh my God, we're so silly. I can't believe we did that and move on.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. It's a very, uh, low rent behavior to sort of be like, you know, act like you're above the person. You just did that.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_05] Well, he will make their back. Well, it's inappropriate.

[00:34:38] Okay. It's inappropriate.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_04] Um, well, uh, speaking of David, uh, you have Michelle, his ex in the house. Um, she never really got a good footing here. Um, like, uh, um, like Amanda, she just was like targeted as one of the exes. And, uh, you know, ultimately sent out by G's hand, um, because they didn't really, I think, understand their situation at first.

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_04] Uh, and we're happy to just use her, uh, as sort of like a person to have on the block with Erica. Uh, and of course the elite eight was, was like, Oh, perfect. We'll just send shell out over, uh, over Erica. Of course, leaving, uh, Justin and Robert, uh, holding the Erica votes, uh, bag.

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_05] Like, we just, like, can you imagine being a robber? Hating Erica right now. And on top of that, no voting for her to stay and be one of the only two. Just, it's like, it's like where the cloud knows. Just, just put the makeup on really quickly. And this, Karen, this is what I miss about old big brother. Where the HOH decides, right? That, and this is who I want.

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_05] And the house says, got it. We're going to do the exact opposite. Because you have zero power now. And we run you. I just, I miss that. I miss him so much.

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_04] I mean, ultimately, Michelle doesn't really have a huge impact, uh, on the season. She's, uh, she's 19, uh, in this house, which is very young, uh, to be on the show. Um, you know, I, I, I always sort of, like, get mixed up with, like, how strict their age limit is because I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be 21, but they occasionally make some exceptions.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_04] Um, and so, uh, Michelle here, very, very young, uh, does not last too long. Um, and, you know, not, not much more to say, I think, about Michelle.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_05] No, just, what a blind sight. Because she was like, I, and at the, when they come back for the jury round, or after the jury round table, she really was like, you guys hurt me. I really thought I was going to say, baby girl, you weren't winning. So it's fine. Just go home. Go home.

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. Well, uh, Dana wins the next HOH and, uh, at this point decides to turn on the elite eights and take out David.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_05] Another one. Just what are we doing?

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_04] Literally, like, the thing I remember most about him is that he jumped on a punching bag upside down.

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_05] Yes. Yes. And just had sex, right? Like, what else were you doing? Yeah. Again, how crazy is society we remember the women? Um, maybe more for that part. But yeah, it's just, I think they, they, they were trying to make like David and Justin, right? The like, uh, threats. Jack was. Maybe a little bit and was like, ooh, they're scary. They're this, they're that. No. No.

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_05] Just, David was so silly. And I think Dana had had it with him.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_04] Just a, just a big goofball that David, um, definitely more of a strategist than I think a lot of people remember him for. Uh, he very much was somebody that was like in the trenches talking strategy a lot, um, with just this kind of like goofy exterior. Um, ultimately targeted for being pretty much like the biggest threat, uh, on the side of, um, the elite eight, uh, as Dana flips over, as you mentioned, Dana.

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_04] You know, felt a, a draw, uh, toward the X's, um, had an interest in, uh, hanging out with them. Um, and so ultimately, uh, you know, takes a shot first at Alison.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah. Alison and Jack is who she nominates. What are we doing? What are we doing here?

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_04] Well, listen, you know, she wanted to get in with Justin. Uh, she's going to take a shot at the other side, you know, maybe Alison out of the way, not a bad move for her. Um, I think was part of the thought process.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_05] Oh, I didn't even put that together until right this minute.

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_04] Oh my God. Well, uh.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_05] Girls, we don't fight each other for men. What are we doing?

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_04] Well, it didn't matter because Nathan rode in on his white horse.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_05] From Oklahoma.

[00:39:30] Woo.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_04] Nathan wins the veto.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_05] I'm happy.

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_04] And, um, and, and saves Alison. So the, the controversy here is that like Alison is the probably like the least liked person on the, on the elite eights side. Um, the fact that Dana wants to take Alison out, um, is like. However, like typically if the people on the outside of the majority want to take a shot,

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_04] they want to take a shot at somebody that is more deeply entrenched in the majority. So that the majority crumbles within fighting. Uh, some of them want to take out this person. The other people want to take out this person is what it's what, uh, Danielle and Jason did in season three when they, um, had, uh, Eric and Lisa on the block next to each other. Um, not that they did that, but like, you know, when they were trying to split that vote.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_04] Um, and so the fact that they kind of, the Dana and the, the, the three stooges kind of screw up and put in like target Alison, they're like, that's great for us. We don't really care about Alison. Uh, we'll save Alison over Jack. That's going to be fine. Uh, it was going to keep the three stooges happy. It was going to keep the elite eight relatively happy. Um, except for Nathan because Nathan did like Alison.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_04] Uh, and cause like Alison was not a loyal number. She was flirting with the other side all the time. She was doing that floaty thing. Um, so it was like, they're making the mistake of targeting somebody that was a little bit in the middle. Um, and then Nathan goes and uses his veto to save Alison. She's doing a lot of flirting with him. Um, she's really trying to like, you know, be like, Hey, it's us, you know, like the two of us. Um, and you know, in the meantime, she's, she's flirting with Justin and she's trash talking Nathan all the time.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_04] Uh, and this really like, you don't see this often, but just really fully manipulates this guy into tanking his own game, saving her with the veto. His side is pissed because now that now David's on the block and they have to choose between David and Jack. Um, the other side is pissed because he just saved Alison. And he completely puts himself on an Island with Alison making a target of the both of them. Except she also jumps out of that Island ship, uh, and says both of us.

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_04] No, no, no. Both of you. That's just, just you, you man, Nathan, you really did a bad thing when you vetoed me. Sorry.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_05] And the, this is what big brother dreams are made of, right? The anyone but me strategy. Come on, Sandra. But it's, I appreciate that Alison and June, but I think Alison was even a little bit more cutthroat at this where she's like, you did something for me. That's so nice. But I deserve it. So thanks. But you, you messed up and I'm gonna move on.

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_04] Mm-hmm. And as I meant, like just fully trash talking the guy, like even right after he did it, like Justin's like, what are you and just, you and Justin or are you and Nathan the thing now? And like, no, I hate that guy.

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_05] Like, no, I'm telling you, it makes no sense. Like, I'm sorry, because on top of, uh, her saying, right, like, hey, um, it makes no sense. Blah, blah, blah. You're doing this for me. And then being like using the Bible, getting in bed with Nathan, diabolical.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_04] Listen, it's, it's really like what I think a lot of the producers were hoping for, for so long was somebody like, in fact, when like, in season two, when they tried to advertise like, oh, sexy things might happen. Uh, like Arnold Shapiro was talking about like, hey, uh, I wouldn't be surprised if like, hey, is it genuine interest or is it game manipulation? And what you usually find in big brother is that people don't really do that.

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_04] They don't really like for as much as people talk about flirting for advantage or like, you know, getting into a relationship using that. It doesn't really happen all that much. You'll occasionally see a little bit of flirting, but it's usually fairly transparent. It doesn't usually work. Um, Allison, whatever tools she needed to use, whatever things she needed to pull, she was going to do it.

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_04] And she, she certainly pulled one over on Nathan, who, uh, tanks this game here to save her and out instead goes David. And then she wins HOH. Oof. And snipes out Dana before Dana can get back at her.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_05] And Dana didn't know what hit her. This is what happened because I still don't understand why Dana wanted to shoot so early, but she did. And on top of that, Allison isn't dumb. You know what I mean? I think, um, even sometimes in the edits or the way they spoke about Allison, they were like, oh, she's just like a silly blonde. All she does is flirt with the guys and moves on, blah, blah, blah. No, she's actually really smart and a really good competitor.

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_05] And if she would have won over June, we would be having very similar conversations as to why Allison deserves to win. So I don't know what Ms. Dana was thinking. I just, I think she was thinking with the wrong.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_04] Well, listen, if she gets, uh, Allison out, she's in a much better spot to be fair.

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah. I mean, but it's still, I just feel like, what's the point of getting out all, um, of your elite eight or whatever the hell the OG. Uh, crew. I just think it was way too early.

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_04] Outright flipping is usually not the play, uh, because, because you are labeled a traitor and she was labeled a traitor. Uh, the other side was happy to take her out here. Um, but ultimately like the thing was that, uh, you know, if, if not Allison specifically having that HOH, Dana is probably fine because the three stooges of Justin, uh, uh, uh, um, G and Robert. Uh, are more dangerous than Dana.

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_04] Like, uh, they're, they're a trio. Dana is kind of like an add on. Um, and so pretty much anyone else in the, in that, uh, group of now much fewer than eight, uh, would be targeting those three guys. But Allison wants to snipe, uh, Dana specifically because Dana is targeting specifically her.

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_04] Um, and at this point, Allison kind of recognizes the position that June is doing, that she should be doing, which is floating back and forth between the sides. And if she takes too big a shot at one of these three guys, leaving Dana, who's coming after her, it doesn't make any sense. If she can snipe Dana out of the game, uh, leaving these three guys as a huge target as still coming after the other side, then she's helping facilitate.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_04] Just like June had been doing these two sides going at each other and she can start to sit back and play both sides. Um, and in the only way to do this, and this is very smart of her was to nominate June next to Dana. Um, because by nominating June, she's not pissing her, her original side off too much because June was a little bit of a, you know, a safer nomination. They weren't as protective of June at the time, but they were never going to vote June out over the traitor Dana.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_04] Um, so she's able to sort of like maintain relationships with both sides now by taking out Dana. She's also weakening the side that will now need her freeing Justin back up for her flirtations and her manipulations. Um, and, uh, it's really just a well orchestrated week by Allison getting exactly the right person out. And, uh, and boy, Dana, what a character.

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_05] Oh my God. And then calling her like a man troll, like, what are we doing here? Right. Just nonsense. Poor Dana. And again, Dana was calling it everyone, all kinds of stuff as well, but it's just, Dana is such a whirlwind and I really enjoyed her.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_05] I felt like she was a little bit high on her own supply and that she thought she had it and she didn't have nothing. Cause June had G on the side, but it was, um, it kind of impossible for her to beat out, you know, the, the true floater, the true, my hands, my tentacles are everywhere. And, and Robert winning the veto here really solidified her fate.

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_05] And she realized, Oh, the three are not for me as much as I thought they were. Yeah, girl, you got digmatized. That's what happened.

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. They happily sacrificed Dana in the same way that the other side was going to happily sacrifice Allison. And, uh, she did not have a Nathan, uh, there to save her. Speaking of Nathan is out next after Justin wins the following HOH, taking out Nathan who, uh, saved Allison, put himself up on that chopping block.

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_04] Really at this point, the original elite eight has been dwindled down to basically three people, Nathan, Jack and Erica, uh, because they've lost, uh, Scott, uh, you know, immediately. They then lost David, uh, to, uh, to, to Dana's betrayal. Um, and with losing David, they also lost Dana who betrayed them.

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_04] Um, and, uh, and so now that's like three people gone, but then you also have June who's not really a member anymore. She's floating back and forth. You have Allison who's not really a member anymore because she's floating back and forth. So that's two more people that aren't really on your side anymore. And that's five people gone. You only have three left. And so now it's a three, three game.

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_04] It's Nathan, Jack and Erica versus Justin G and Robert with, uh, with, with June and Allison just kind of being like, go at it, please.

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah, please. More, please.

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_04] And so, uh, the shot is a fairly simple one. You take the shot at the person who was the most threatening in competitions. Nathan had won that veto. He was a young guy. Like, uh, they, you know, and he had gone against the will of the house. So, uh, it was an easy target.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah. My guy from Oklahoma, man, it was, it was fun to have someone rep Oklahoma. The OU sweatshirt was like really nice touch to, you know, we usually see the Texas A&M, but it was nice. But Nathan was just our pretty boy. I think he had glimmers, right? Of strategy, but he was just too caught up on playing the straight and narrow.

[00:50:32] [SPEAKER_05] And I think a Nathan type would do so well, unfortunately, in new big brother, right? Where you just have to be loyal and charismatic and Southern, uh, right? I think it's, he's good. But in big brother, where they actually played the game where no one was loyal to no one, but themselves. And Nathan is chewed up and spit out so fast. And I think that's exactly what Allison did to him.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_05] Poor guy.

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_04] Truly. Um, of course, after, uh, Nathan, Justin is finally taken out of the game after Erica wins the following HOH. Um, what are you going to do? Uh, he was, he was the biggest target on the other side. So basically like it, it played out exactly the way that June and Allison wanted it to where one side, one took out Nathan and the other side wins takes out Justin.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_04] The two biggest threats now out of the game. Um, and, uh, and now it's two V2 V2.

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_04] And Allison are going to start to realize that the two of them can team up, form their own secret side, uh, and dominate the rest of this game.

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_05] But here's, what's fun also is that the two V2 V2 that a June and Allison realize, Hey, we need each other. Right? Like they aren't just like a, Hey, let's be in competition. It's like, we need each other. We're playing the same game. We'll figure it out when, when we get to the end, what to do. And they were both so confident in themselves that they were like, we're good. I think I insert whoever, right? June or Allison.

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_05] I think I beat anyway, who are the other person. So I'm good. I need to, the enemy of my enemies, my friend kind of stuff was very fun for me to watch because in reality, the two of them were playing circles around everyone else. Because Allison was kind of with Erica a little bit, right? Like randomly. And the other sides hated each other just more than they hated June and Allison. Again, like we've been talking about, but this, when it was two V2, it really blossomed.

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_05] And June and G, uh, being together on the side was so good. Um, and such a, such a great twist for, for everyone else to find out.

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. I mean, for as much as the floating was out in the open, the thing that June did really well was hiding the relationships that she did actually have. People saw her as a, an individual who was floating back and forth, uh, who ultimately wasn't worth taking out because she had no real power. The reality was that she always did have this connection to G that was a lot stronger than people realized. She had a lot more influence there than people understood.

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_04] Um, and on top of that, she eventually forms this thing with Allison where she now has a secret deal with Allison instead of, you know, the, the way that they were seeing in the houses that like there's two of us left and there's two of them left. And then there's still June and Allison individuals in the middle. Um, you know, uh, but not dangerous because they don't have anybody. Um, but they had each other and June had G and they made a girl's thing with Erica.

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_04] And so like, they were actually really well entrenched, but nobody saw it. Uh, and so it was almost inevitable that, uh, that the two of them were going to dominate their way to the end, uh, as long as they didn't betray each other. And they had no incentive to betray each other.

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_05] That part. Because they would have.

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_04] Because they were both by far the most hated people on the cast.

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_05] So good. Just so good. And again, it's just you, you pray for times like this, right? Like Amberlynn in the chat was like, I want a modern day Allison. Yeah, I do too. But we just, I don't know that a modern day audience is ready for an Allison. We would, not me. Okay. Yeah.

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_05] But the other people I think would like really have a meltdown with the way Allison was just use and throw. So I like every single cast member was a one-time use only plastic for her.

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_04] I mean, we saw the way that like both house guests and audiences treated Taylor when they gave her that, that brief amount of time when they gave her that edit at the pool table. Yeah. When she was like, oh, Taylor's just trying to manipulate the men. That's so like old fashioned. Like. Like.

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_05] Cute, right? The fire and the pitchfork. So. Yeah. We would all like it, but I don't. It's just, unfortunately, that's not where we are as a society. Unfortunately. So it's just, but I truly find that this, yeah, that floating gameplay, that cutthroat, I don't give an F about you gameplay. So much fun to watch.

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_04] Mm-hmm. Well, Jack is the next victim after G wins the HOH. Like, Jack is such an interesting figure in Big Brother because he's very much like. Like the anti Big Brother casting archetype. Like he's, he's just kind of like a dad, you know, he's just such a dad on the show. He, I think the edge that they were hoping for is that he like, he was like, oh, I was in like the FBI.

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_04] And like, I'm going to be able to like read people and do strategy. And like, he was definitely into it. And he was a very lovable character, I think, in the edit. But I don't think he ever fully gave them what they were hoping for. We never really see the Jack archetype back again. If we do get a Jack-like person, they tend to be a lot goofier nowadays.

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_04] I think Jack was just a little too normal feeling on the show when he was on the show, at least.

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_05] No, that's a really great analysis. I would also say for Jack, right? We, I was almost waiting for the shoe to drop, right? Like, no, but now he's going to get it. Now we're going to get the FBI. I, I always knew what was going on. But instead, we're getting him constantly talking about Justin, right? Like, he's the brains of the operation. I would say if we were to pick the three stooges, Robert is the most cutthroat. And maybe even the one that like, I would be most afraid of.

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_05] He did, at this point of his elimination, doesn't really like see June even or Allison as like a threat. He's just like irritated by them. He's like, those ankle biters. Like, they are so annoying. But it doesn't necessarily say like, we need to, you know, specifically get these two out because they're actually running circles around us.

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_05] And I felt like Jack, because of his archetype, maybe I don't want to put words in his mouth, but felt very much like stuck in like a macho, older, like, you know, whatever. Oh, yeah. Macho, old, conservative, like mindset. When in reality, everyone was kind of going around him. And he pulls Erica in to that as well, right? Because of the desert room. They live in the same room.

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_05] But yeah, I was just waiting for something to happen for Jack. And the biggest thing, which I even highlighted him talking about the JFK assassination. That was fun. That was cool. And then he and then they build it up, build it up. Like he's about to drop some, you know, some real, you know, like something. Big Brother is going to get canceled or nuked or whatever. No, he says, hey, guys, what they said happened.

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_05] And you're like, well, why did you waste my time, Jack? Go, go leave the house. You're done.

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. So that was Jack. I remember Jack being one of the more and this is sort of the interesting thing about Big Brother. He was one of the more popular people on the season by a decent margin. And I think for a while was like remembered very fondly as one of the more popular characters. And I think it's like, especially at this time in the in the sort of fandom of Big Brother, there's a lot of there's still a lot of still. And I think especially a lot of self.

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_04] Hatred surrounding your love of this show, right? Like it's pretty trashy, especially the X factor, like it's even more trashy than before. And there's a lot of kind of like like self-consciousness about like liking the show.

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_04] And so the idea that like you you do like the show, but you're looking for the normal people on the show, you know, like who's who's acting sane in this house of like wild and rambunctious people. And Jack, I think, was a very good avatar for those people to be like, yeah, I do watch Big Brother, but I like people like Jack, you know, like the normal people.

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_04] And and I think that like that still exists to some degree today. But I think it was especially pointed at this time. It's 2003 reality TV has a very bad reputation, I would say worse than it does now at the time. And so, you know, there's like, yeah, I think some some interesting things going on there as well.

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah, I you know, we just got Jack the strawberry. That's what Jack was known for. And can't be mad at him. I enjoyed Jack, but it just felt like, oh, this is another head for our girlies to chop off on their way to win.

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_04] Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Um, so G ends up going out next at June's hand as her HOA train sends out G. This is always like an interesting strategic week. Obviously, um, there, you know, you could have tried to get Robert out. But how? Um, you know, like, uh, not only is G kind of a threat in competitions, but he's also a threat in the final two if he makes it there.

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_04] Um, and, uh, you know, with Allison and Erica making this decision, makes a lot more sense for them to pick Robert over G. Uh, June has no vote. Ultimately, it's time for June to cut her ties. She's not going to betray the women, uh, because that makes even less sense.

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_04] So, uh, I wouldn't say it's like the most climactic way for the June and G story to end because it would have been more entertaining if it was like a little more direct, a little more intentional of like, it's time to slit your throat just when you didn't realize like a, like a Drew and Diane. Um, but, uh, but definitely a very funny sort of, uh, way for their plot line to end, especially considering that like none of the other exes, uh,

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_04] were really like properly, uh, going out at each other's hands. Um, you know, Robert will obviously win, uh, the HOH at the final four, but he has no say in who leaves, um, like whatsoever.

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_05] So, um, did he even want Erica to go? You know what I mean? No, he didn't at that point. Yeah. Um, it's just, this was our like last final, like hate that needed to play out. And the fact that they've been a secret pair this whole time just made it even better because he's thinking, you know what? At least June has my back until the end, you know, until whatever. I don't know what he was thinking. Maybe final two. He, he's really lost it.

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_04] If she, I mean, he was still loyal to, to Robert over June. It's not like that. He was very much a bro's bro. Uh, or at least wanted to be. Um, and I mean, G is, is an interesting character. He was an alternate this season. Um, you know, he's somebody that like, uh, you know, he's introduced. We, we made a big, uh, deal of like his intro and the, and the documentary about like, he's like an international player.

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_04] Um, but like the reality is he's kind of just like, I wouldn't necessarily say like a sweetheart, but he's a lot sort of softer, not in a derogatory way than kind of like the bros that he's trying to hang with. Um, and that's what June said as well. Like the thing is, she's like for his, for all of his bluster, like the thing I knew about G and the reason I knew I could manipulate him is that he's just a good person. Yep.

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_05] And I think he wanted to be bad. So bad. Right. Like, I feel like he was like, yeah, grr. I'm going to like try to be really cutthroat. And, and he just can't, he's so sweet. Like the most I felt like G, um, or did bad or was bad was when, uh, on Erica's HOH, right? In the steel cage where they're all like literally in this space with him. As soon as Justin goes to bed, they're like, G, G, we got to get them out.

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_05] G, G, please, please. And she's like, fine, I will just lose this HOH. That's the max y'all are getting out of me. You're not getting anything else. And this fellow, I don't know, it was really sweet. And I appreciate him for saving my girl June and bringing her, you know, helping her get this far. Because I think he won a few critical HOHs, um, and moments where she was able to be safe. So shout out G for that.

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_04] Yes. He also, of course, has his famous, uh, moment where he, uh, puts the house on peanut butter and jelly, um, by taking the offer.

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_05] And you know what? I couldn't believe it. I said, no one's taking it. What a flop, another flop, big brother twist. And then G of all people takes the deal. Oh my word. I couldn't believe, and I actually have it highlighted in my notes. I just forgot. Yeah. It's just that I couldn't believe that this sweet little baby decided. He, he'd been around them too much. Heron. We got, we got a victim.

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_05] He needs to be saved.

[01:05:07] [SPEAKER_04] They were so mad at him. It was very funny. Very, I really.

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_05] McDonald's. That, or he wins again. He wins the food. He didn't even need his HOH. And he wins McDonald's.

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_04] They really should do more of that. I really liked that. Yeah.

[01:05:28] [SPEAKER_05] And that is my overall notes. I have like a bunch of, um, moments where I was like, yeah, why don't they do this anymore? Why don't they do this anymore? It's just, there are so many, um, I don't know if now is the time, but I also the comps, the competitions where they had to answer things about each other. I love that. I wish we had more of that. But, um, the opening, I think it was a food comp, but honestly, I would just want that as, as any opening competition, um, was they were like, one of you is a virgin.

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_05] One of you, uh, is, you know, or none of you are vegetarian, blah, blah, blah. Like basic, uh, consensus questions. I thought were, was so fun and what a fun way for us to get to know the cast as well. So I, I'm, and they infuse that at different ways at different competitions. So more of that as well. I think that's such an easy, fun comp to do.

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. And, and like you see the results of that too, in how equitable that is. Uh, there's only two repeat HOH winners in the season, which like in a modern season is wild. Like two people, one HOH twice. Uh, and then a bunch of random people won at once. And it's like, wait, that can happen. Like there wasn't one person that won like five. Like what?

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_05] Um, they didn't win out. What?

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. Uh, so obviously some great stuff there. Um, we get to the final four and it's the three women versus Robert. Uh, Robert who has quite, uh, uh, a history of comments that, uh, we'll get to shortly. I'm soon, but Robert ends up winning the HOH, uh, getting, granting immunity to himself, leaving the three women to have to turn on each other, Erica, Alison, and June.

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_04] And of course they decide to turn on Erica. She was more so the add on to their sort of, uh, floaters alliance. Um, she was much more of a threat in the final two. It made a lot of sense for both Alison and June to want to go with each other over Erica. And so she is betrayed specifically by Alison. She is very upset at the way that Alison decides to turn on her, uh, because Alison had really

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_04] been buttering her up over the last couple of weeks, uh, really being like the baby sister, uh, role. Um, and, uh, and that, that is going to be it for Erica, a deep run in the game. Uh, definitely a fan favorite at the time. Um, and ends up coming back for all stars. Um, but, uh, fourth place here.

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah. Sorry, girly pops. Your, your time was limited. And, and again, it's just, they were so nice to each other's faces. And then immediately like that B, that B thinks she is so skinny and good looking, but guess what? She is past her prime. Just the craziest stuff you've ever heard people talk about each other, but to each other's faces in the hot tub besties. Oh my gosh. We're together forever immediately.

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_05] Oh my gosh. She's the most annoying person. Like, am I watching mean girls? What's happening?

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_04] Yes. Um, Erica at the time, uh, I think again, it was her friendship with Jack that I think really attracted a lot of fans. Um, it was a very kind of like 2000s plotline of like, uh, like younger woman and older man get into like a really sweet platonic friendship. Uh, survivor did it as well a few times. Um, and so they really like, liked to play into that.

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_04] Um, and it, and it worked well for them. Um, and, uh, certainly like a big cause of, uh, of like her coming back, remembered her from season four as kind of like, especially as the final remaining true member of the elite eight and one of the last people in the house who seemed, uh, like she wasn't quite as mean and rude as some of the other people.

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_04] Uh, despite her controversy at the end of the season, she was seen as like the nice one. Um, which maybe speaks to, uh, how people decide to judge the players on the television, but, uh, but definitely was sort of like how she was seen at the time.

[01:09:59] [SPEAKER_05] Um, yeah, just like, I like her. She was sweet. Um, again, said some nasty things, but all in all, I just couldn't believe a beautiful 30, 33 year old, I think, or whatever, like early 30, mid thirties.

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_04] It's wild to me, by the way, just to quickly interject, I apologize. Uh, that like, I watched this season 11 years old. I'm now 32. I'm like, I'm like Erica's age.

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_05] Like, yeah, same. I'm 33. Yeah. I literally was like, how dare they call her old? I was personally offended. I was like, what do you mean? She's old and passed her prime. Shut up. And I was like, do not dare you say that. And I'm over here being like, oh yeah. Cause I'm that age. That's why I feel. So, and her and Jack just being like, we're just mom and dad. We're so old. Like Robert isn't right there.

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_04] Well, that's the thing too. Is that like, just to Robert was 32. That's why that's especially wild to me. Like Robert, this guy, me same age at that time. I'm the same age as that guy.

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_05] Do you have a seven year old? We don't know about.

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_04] That's wild. Like he just, he always, I also like always got the vibe that he was like a lot older than Erica for some reason. But yeah, I don't know. It's just a strange.

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_05] Jack Erica Robert age. Oh my God. Robert, Robert, Robert.

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_04] Oh, Robert.

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_05] What was America doing? You know what I mean? Like, I get like, you love a good dad story, but America's choice. How wild.

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_04] Truly like the predecessor to evil Dick. Like, like, I think they really understood just how susceptible the audience was to like, you know, and it's a fairly common trope of like kind of deadbeat dad who's just trying his best. You know what I mean? Just doing his best for his kid.

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_04] Like, it's a trope. It's a trope. Like not, not to call him a deadbeat dad, but like you get the, you get, you know, like the kind of like divorcee kind of like.

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_05] A single dad. Yeah.

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah.

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_05] Single dad works too hard. Loves his kids.

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_04] I would, I would say it's a little more than single dad. I would say it's like rough around the edges, dad. Oh yes.

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_05] The, the like good, uh, the bad boy, but will turn good for my daughter.

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_04] Exactly. Like, yeah, he's mean to everyone else, but he's so sweet to his, his little kid. Uh, and he's just doing his best to provide for his kid. Uh, like the, the audience just eats that up. Right. Um, and to the point where.

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_05] Being that misogynistic, scary, scary thing.

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. And so, uh, he became a fan favorite over, uh, the, the man eaters June and, uh, and Allison. Um, uh, and here at the end of the game, uh, especially the fact that he had kind of like made up with Erica by the end that certainly helped. Um, but, uh, yeah, there were a lot of people rooting for him.

[01:13:28] [SPEAKER_05] Uh, like, Oh my God, Robert. But the thing is I needed Robert, right? Like around, if that makes sense. Um, Robert was someone I love to hate. Uh, he was just annoying enough, but not scary, annoying or not like, Oh my God, get him the hell out of here.

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_05] We needed him as like the antagonist to my protagonist, June and Allison and Erica at points. Then like for them to thrive, he needed to be there and he needed to bother them enough. So I personally really appreciated him in that way. But outside of that, his lips and just every time we talk garbage.

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_04] Um, he was also the kind of player who like. Uh, sort of, sort of similarly to G in some ways, he just always wanted to be bad and devious.

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_06] Yes.

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_04] But he was so bad at it that he never really had an opportunity to like betray anyone. Like he was like trying to be Dr. Will, but like when he was like, yeah, I'm going to lie and betray you guys. They were like, okay.

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_05] And they're like, no.

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_04] And they didn't trust him. Yeah.

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_05] It's just, the point is like, he was never like nice to them and then right. Like betrayed them. He would just yap to their face. Yap behind their back. Yap to the cameras. Yap in confessional. Hello. One trick pony. We just, I was like, okay, rapper. We know what's next. Give us something new, baby boy. But no, it just, he was just one dimensional misogyny. Boring.

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah.

[01:15:19] [SPEAKER_05] Well, we're going to do it. Do it good.

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_04] You know, of course that brings us, we've talked a lot already about both Alison and June, but what, what a star Alison was that season.

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_05] Seriously.

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_04] Um, and really like bold for the time as well in the, in the ways that like the audience and her fellow house guests were certainly going to judge her for the way that she decided to play the game. Um, and, uh, really just like very unapologetically was just like, I, she, I mean, she was everything that, that, that Robert wanted to be. Um, but, but like, you know, I don't think he ever would have seen it that way. No.

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_04] Um, because of the gender differences, but like, yeah. Yeah. Uh, but very much so was like the ultimate embodiment of that player, um, that you really, you don't often get, um, you know, women coming on the show and having not only having that mentality, but being able to really like follow through on it, uh, being given the space to do that. Um, and, uh, and she wasn't really given the space to do it, but boy, did she just carve

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_04] out her own space.

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_05] She said, I'm a pray to Jesus and get my space of that. What I want to do, I will do. And again, it's just a worthy winner. If she would have won, I couldn't even be mad, but because I knew, because I knew June won, it was almost easy to track, right? Like how Alison lost where every person that was getting voted out. And I'm like, no, Alison that, you know, like at least tell Nathan that you're going to vote him out. Granted, spoiler alert, she gets his freaking votes. It doesn't matter.

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_05] But still it's like Erica, uh, all these people, I felt like she could have just, you know, got their vote. Had she just at least been a little bit honest when it was time for them to go. But she was just like, no, I got you. We're together until the end, blah, blah, blah. Uh, versus June who would never get any blood on her hands really versus Alison who got all this blood on her hands. So I think that was like the fatal flaw because she lost.

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_05] Otherwise I would have been like, that's all good. That's why she won. So it's just, I really enjoyed her and June, uh, and Alison, right. And, um, Anthony in the chat also talks about it, but them, when it was time for the tiebreaker and Alison putting zero for how many days her and Justin, uh, dated. And then for getting June, looking over, seeing it and putting, okay, great. One million. What are the girls doing?

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_05] You know, it's just, and Julie didn't even care. Julie now would have gotten so mad, but she was just like, girls, what do y'all do? Okay. Alison, you win because you put zero. So I just, I appreciate even towards the end, June and Alison, I feel like we're playing such a good game that maybe neither of them wanted to win that final HOH.

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_04] They knew they were going to take each other and they knew that like, uh, Robert would be pissed at whichever one voted him out.

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_06] Yes.

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_04] Uh, and so it's, it was like, you know, there are a lot of different ways, like dynamics that the final twos can have. Um, there are a lot of like final twos. They've been working together the whole game. They trust each other explicitly implicitly. Uh, and they are like, well, let's just battle it out. And there's that little bit of an awkward moment where it's like, but like they can usually fully trust each other. Then there's ones where it's like, they don't really trust each other, but they hope, you

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_04] know, they hope that the, that the deals stay strong or that the, you know, the work that they put in works like stuff like that. This is a pretty unique scenario where it's two people that do not trust each other, do not even really like each other. And yet have 1000% confidence that they'll be taking each other to the end because of the situation that they're in the full recognition that this jury is going to vote for Robert to win, uh, over the two of them.

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_04] Um, and that they, they have been each other's best shot for so long because of how open everything was, as we talked about earlier, they were both seen as such snakes, uh, and playing a game that wasn't respectable that, uh, that it was clear. Like they were, we talked about this in the block. And many, there were conversations about like, who would we vote for in the end?

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_06] Hmm.

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_04] Nathan or Justin, you know, like, uh, like Jack or Erica, like, uh, Oh man. How's this one for you? Who would you vote for if you had to pick between Alison and June? Um, and they'd be like, Oh my God, that would be the worst. And that was just open. It was just like, that was just how everyone knew it to be. And what they were doing is giving June and Alison all of the incentive they needed to

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_04] only ever take each other to the end. Um, and so, uh, so you have a scenario where they both actively are trying to throw that competition because they know they're sitting in those two chairs.

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah. And it just, again, it's so funny. And Robert just like standing over them watching like while they're writing pissed as hell being like these, you know, like, you know, he had choice words for both of them. Just watching them toy with his like life in the big brother game. So no one is doing it like big brother for like, I just shout out to the casting that realized

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_05] that we needed Alison and a June together and all these other people to, to make sure this is happening. Cause I, if anyone tries, you know, to do this again, I just, it feels so scary.

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_04] It's, it's hard to like the big brother for is a really interesting strategic season because of the way that it played out. It played out in such a perfect way. Um, that is very unique, uh, to its season and like just perfectly encapsulates like a direction that a season can go to big sides battling each other out, uh, battling it out

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_04] between each other, um, with two people recognizing, let's play the middle of the whole time, whittle the sides down. Those two people, the most hated people in the game, make it to the end together. Um, on top of that, for it to be two women in a house that was dominated by men and like misogynistic attitudes, uh, for it to be June who comes out on top, a woman of color, um, who, uh, was able to like sort of manipulate the whole game in her favor.

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_04] Uh, it's, it's very sort of ahead of its time in that regard and very, uh, unique in again, how it played out. Very, very fun strategic landscape for sure here, uh, with June as our winner.

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah. Uh, one of the top big brother winners for me, like I don't, I will fight to the death for June. And I think I find her so endearing, especially online, even now, right? Like how her and her son are watching the new seasons, but also her commenting on herself, the old seasons and that level of confidence that she came in, I think first or second episode. And she's like, I'm the winner of big brother.

[01:22:45] [SPEAKER_05] And you're here because I want to win. I am the queen of this house. And that never left her, even though they, again, the edit was like June is gained 25 pounds. And then they had both like her, uh, week one versus week, whatever, you know, in her, her in a bikini tried to break her down. I felt like every single time, even Alison was like, I'll eat her lunch. Like there's no way June's beating me, blah, blah, blah.

[01:23:13] [SPEAKER_05] For June to, I don't know that she did so well in the jury questioning both of them. Um, you know, uh, like, I don't think we're again, so equal, but I just felt like she is so good. Um, and, uh, just truly such an enjoyable player. And I'm on the record to say, I like when my faves dominate, I don't like no underdog, nothing. Okay.

[01:23:40] [SPEAKER_05] Give my faves all the, all the, uh, uh, everything, right? Like give every edge, every advantage, every big brother twist. May it always fall in my faves favor. You know, that that's how I am. And that's June for me.

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_04] Well, one thing that big brother four did that is unique to big brother four is that even though they decided to sequester the jury for the first time, um, what they did was they had the jury questioning and they had the jury vote, lock in their votes. And then before the finale, before the final episode, they showed the jury all of the episodes

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_04] so that the jury, even though the episodes didn't influence their vote, they still knew about the episodes for the like reunion esque situation. And that went so poorly that they decided to ditch it for future seasons.

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_05] Which is so annoying. I think that's hilarious. And I wish that they bring that back.

[01:24:46] [SPEAKER_04] Basically like what it did was it created a scenario where as they were casting their votes, they were just like, screw you guys. We hate you. We heard everything that you said about us. Yes, my vote is for June, but I hate you both.

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_05] And I'll be like, give me the money. I don't care that you hate me. And that's basically what June did. And I'm sure that's a lot. And Matt, you know, sullied her win. I think June even says that to Julie, uh, that like I wasn't paying attention to the votes because what they were saying was so bad, but boy, that was really good. I loved watching them watch the things back. That was so good. Dana and her insults.

[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_05] I can't repeat them, but they were so good. Y'all worth watching. Cause they ever Nathan's like, Oh my God. And I voted for this girl, Alison to win. You know, Nathan was in shambles seeing Alice.

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. Um, I mean, I think to some degree, like if you're Nathan, uh, like what at that point, like, let's put ourselves in Nathan's shoes. What is, what is the worst look? Right. Is it to vote against her and look like, you know, kind of like, uh, like, Oh, he's just salty that he got played and he can't handle that a woman played him. Or is it to vote for her and look like, Oh, he's just like simping for Alison still.

[01:26:15] [SPEAKER_04] Uh, like, I feel like it's a little bit of a known situation. And I think ultimately what he said was like, listen, she played the game really well. And I think you got to respect that.

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_05] That's what I'm saying. I can't, I will never make fun of Nathan. I just, I think it's a funny situation, but I don't think Nathan's at fault because at the end of the day, to me, that shows that he's actually, you know, that's growth from him that he's like, Oh my God, this girl played me. But when he was pulling her key out, he still said she played the best game. So, and just like what G did right for June, same, same reasoning where I just felt like, okay, you're at least trying to be kind.

[01:26:53] [SPEAKER_05] I don't know if that's even the, you're trying to be civil with someone. Um, even though maybe you're, it's very raw for you that you lost and that they're talking bad about you. So I just feel like he, he did good and I, I'm not going to drag him and listen, we from Oklahoma. So I really would not drag him.

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_04] And really like, uh, having gone through the feed archives, uh, there's a lot that was said about Nathan that was not on the episodes.

[01:27:21] [SPEAKER_05] So bad. Bad. So homophobic. For what reason? You know what I mean? It's just like, it's very weird.

[01:27:28] Mm hmm.

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_04] Um, so, uh, there it is. Season four of Big Brother. Uh, what a season, what a cast. Um, you know, again, it's, it's this sort of situation where I think like the, the, we are sort of, we're all recognizing that a lot of bad stuff went down here. Um, that, uh, you know, should this season have existed in the way that it did? Like, uh, it probably would not in, in, in modern times.

[01:27:58] [SPEAKER_04] Um, but, uh, the way it went down, especially strategically, I think is really fascinating. Uh, it produces a, a, a fantastic winner, uh, helps, uh, evolve the strategy of the show in interesting ways. Um, and certainly produced some very entertaining moments. Um, so, uh, despite probably not being one of my favorite seasons as a kid, um, it, I think

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_04] I do think back to this season a bit more fondly, uh, in terms of, again, like it's sort of contribution to the history of the show.

[01:28:30] [SPEAKER_05] Can you believe that as kids, we were watching shows where people are just like naked and like having sex, you know, just like what, just nonsense. And what am I, cause my stepdad introduced me to big brother. So I'm re and my stepbrother and my stepdad used to like watch the show, like religion, like it was like, we would never even tape it. Like we had to sit and watch the episodes.

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_05] So I just can't believe like what kind of mess we were watching as kids. And, and I wonder one day, like, I want someone to do a whole impact on millennials as to how we were watching such, um, uncensored stuff. Like I was even watching flavor of love it, like in middle school. Why? You know what I mean? It's just like, what am I watching?

[01:29:24] [SPEAKER_05] Like high school, this woman spit on another woman, but that that's reality TV, baby. And I don't know that it'll ever happen again. So what a ride that you were able to watch and be there live for it. Um, but truly I don't think this season, this and maybe six, right? Like I, it was like a cat time capsule and it's nice to go and unearth it, uh, you know, and take it for what it is like because of many controversies.

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_05] And then just, you put it back and think about it. And I do wish that women would dominate again. That could happen. I don't know. Maybe if the comps were a little bit, um, more equal, but outside of that, um, it very much feels like a crazy ass season. Um, and a twist that is outrageous. Just, just everything about it felt like lightning in a bottle.

[01:30:19] [SPEAKER_05] And, and it's nice that we get to like go visit it once a while. Yeah.

[01:30:25] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. Um, well, Sasha, who is on the poster? Oh, because let me tell you, uh, I'm looking, I'm looking at the survey again. Again, you can go to, uh, robswebsite.com slash BB retrospective to cast your vote. Um, there is still only one vote separating the top two picks. Yes.

[01:30:47] Ooh.

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_05] And I will be voting now because I, I didn't realize it was open before. Oops. Um, but obviously June and Alison for sure. I don't know who the third is. Like I'm very much interested to know, um, what you're like, what the audience picks. Like I'm a, I'm allowing the audience to pick the third, but obviously June and Alison, uh, for top two. I really, yeah. Like I really wanted, I just feel like it should be the both of them.

[01:31:20] [SPEAKER_05] Like it just, we shouldn't have a third for this iconic season. I think it should just be them too. I can we call audible?

[01:31:28] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. Thundercats two picks of June. Okay.

[01:31:31] [SPEAKER_05] Thank you. Do that again. Oh yeah. People would say Nathan, a very blonde man.

[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_04] Nathan. I could see, I could see, I could see a lot of people in the third spot. Right. I feel like you could see Erica for sure. Um, I think the most conventional choice, um, and it would also be three women there. Uh, so that would make a lot of sense. I think for the season, uh, you could certainly have G, um, you know, as sort of, like the add on to June, uh, it's like, if you're looking for, you know, June, June, you know, G is kind of a representative of June there.

[01:32:08] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah. but then I'll allow G, but even then, no, I just feel like G being on there, like, it's going to stress me out because then I want June to like, know that we are her stand, you know? So like, what, if you allow G on, then we'll allow it. That's how I feel.

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_04] Um, I do think there's a world where like, like a Justin could maybe work. If you're really trying to like, uh, reach for like, cause he was just such a big presence on the show for so long. Um, and like, maybe you could stretch and get, uh, maybe Jack before Justin really, but like they're all, they're both kinds of stretches, I think. Um, okay.

[01:32:49] [SPEAKER_05] If it's Erica, you can do with a, like your normal picture thing, but if it's anyone, okay, Amanda, I like that chat. Okay. Come on chat. Maybe you just play, um, June, Alison and a bed. You know what I mean? But I just want the third person to be very tiny.

[01:33:11] [SPEAKER_04] Okay. So, uh, Michelle is what you're saying.

[01:33:14] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah. Honestly, a baddie. I like it. Whoever the third person is, I want them to be, you know what I'm talking about? Where, when I say this, like they won them at a fair. Sorry. That was an insight. I took between Tara and I, but yeah, that's how tiny I would like it.

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_04] Man. Like, uh, 10 more votes came in, uh, since I said it, there's still one vote apart.

[01:33:43] [SPEAKER_05] Don't piss me off. And June does. I swear. I'm making 17 email addresses.

[01:33:57] [SPEAKER_03] Oh my God.

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_04] I think, uh, not to try to influence the voters. I think the thing is that you choose three people. So, uh, like very few, I think most people are choosing both of them. Um, and then, uh, very few people are separating.

[01:34:13] [SPEAKER_05] So please put the third person, like a mega little little person.

[01:34:21] [SPEAKER_04] Um, all right. Well, uh, anything else on big brother for Sasha?

[01:34:25] [SPEAKER_05] No, I just, I really enjoyed. Um, cause this feels like, you know, big brother's chain, like chain, like big brother shifts into the golden power of veto veto comes into play. We get a jury house, right? Like all this kind of stuff. I really, it felt so exciting watching it back. And I really want a lot of these comps back. Like I, please big brother. They're so easy. Bring them back.

[01:34:51] [SPEAKER_04] All right. Well, that is it for big brother four. I will be back next week talking about project DNA, uh, season five of the show. We have cowboy and the comus. We have, uh, the twins, Adria and Natalie. Um, you've got, uh, you've got Jace and drew and Diane, um, like, uh, plenty to talk about with season five. Uh, definitely one.

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_04] I think I was paying closer attention to as a kid than, than season four at the time. Uh, there was, I, yeah, I think just like more, uh, stimulating, like, uh, for a child, like things easier to follow. I think, uh, for a kid season five was.

[01:35:37] [SPEAKER_05] If since you watched it live, would you have, who would you have voted for like America's favorite season four? Yeah.

[01:35:44] Yeah.

[01:35:45] [SPEAKER_04] That's a good question. I was probably like, um, I was probably like a, like an Erica and Jack.

[01:35:51] [SPEAKER_05] Oh, okay. Um, yeah.

[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_04] Uh, not that I disliked June or Allison, I think in the same way that I, a lot of people probably did, but, um, but I definitely like was drawn to like the people that I, I saw it.

[01:36:06] [SPEAKER_05] Nice. I like, um, yeah, I think as a kid that that's what I would want kids to vote for. So it's fine. But yeah, I wonder, I think I would have, yeah, I think I might have gotten like a June for being a winner, like, uh, June and maybe Nathan for Oklahoma. Like, I wonder if that's where my vote would have gone for either way. Tell, tell me chat and tell us in the comments and vote for June for the DVD cover. Don't vote for anyone else.

[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_05] Actually, don't even vote for Allison anymore. Just vote June, um, uh, Amanda and David. That's how we beat this June fan.

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_04] Yeah. June with a magnifying glass and then Alan and then Amanda and David.

[01:36:59] [SPEAKER_05] Like the tiny Vito, right? I need someone to Photoshop June and G and whoever.

[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_04] All right. Thank you all so much for joining us here to talk about big brother. For I'll be back next week to talk about big brother five. In the meantime, you can find me over on Twitch. You can check out, uh, some jet lag coverage that Sasha and I did. They just wrapped up season 12, which is their hide and seek across Japan season. Um, that where, uh, basically these three guys, they run this show called jet lag. It's like the amazing race combined with task master.

[01:37:36] [SPEAKER_04] Uh, and they go on trains and they go to random towns in Japan and they hide and try to, uh, the other, the other dudes try to find them, uh, in, in as short amount of time as possible. It was a very fun show and a lot of content about these guys. Uh, we just recorded an interview with them talking about the season, uh, as well as a recap of the season. It was a very fun one. So make sure you check out that coverage here on Rob has a podcast.

[01:38:02] [SPEAKER_04] Um, and then, uh, we've got scripted stuff to tastemakers talking about all the new stuff going on. There's lots of good new shows coming out. I think if you're not aware, uh, we're talking about them. Lots of, lots of fun stuff that you might want to check out. Uh, the Oscars just, uh, dropped their nominations as well. So I'm sure we'll be talking about that next week. If you want to tune in, uh, Sasha, what else you got going on?

[01:38:26] [SPEAKER_05] Yeah. And if you want to know what's going on in the celebrity pop culture world, and you're just confused and lost a little bit, maybe you're in your Jack Erica oldie era. Check out mess magnets where Kristen McKenna and I are covering everything trending. So go to messmagnets.com to check all of that out. And Chappelle and I also just wrapped up or no, we'll be wrapping up, uh, today drops today as well.

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[01:39:12] [SPEAKER_04] All right. Well, thank you all once again for joining us here today. And I will see all of you next time.