BBCAN12 | Week 9 Eviction Recap

[00:00:15] Hello everyone and welcome to RHAP. I am your host Terran Armstrong and we are here tonight

[00:00:22] To talk about

[00:00:24] What we just saw on that episode of Big Brother Canada 12. What an episode it was

[00:00:32] What a dramatic exit we saw from

[00:00:37] Maybe I shouldn't say dramatic. Maybe I should say spicy exit we saw from spicy

[00:00:43] Uh, and we're gonna talk through it all here and with me to talk through it all here is Mary. How you doing Mary?

[00:00:50] I'm doing great. Yes, spicy really living up to her name here. I think

[00:00:55] We discussed earlier in the week. This was a definite possibility

[00:01:01] You know they had me they had me last episode

[00:01:04] I was thinking maybe maybe some things could turn around but here we are and yeah, it was

[00:01:09] It was a big night. It was a big night for sure. I'm not sure that we could have predicted this about six weeks ago, but but yeah

[00:01:19] Quite quite an event uh, Puyah is also with us here tonight. How you doing Puyah?

[00:01:23] I'm doing good. This was a very fun episode to watch

[00:01:26] I'm happy to be here to recap it and uh, I would say if you have to pick one episode of BB Ken in the new era

[00:01:32] Per season that you will complain about not having feeds for this is that

[00:01:37] I will say this is the episode lock it in

[00:01:41] I mean really it's like

[00:01:44] I I don't even remember what happened last season. It's the whole season that I care about this

[00:01:50] It would have been nice to have feeds here, uh, but also joining us here tonight

[00:01:57] You know, we are always asking for some spicy exits when people leave blow up people's games

[00:02:04] And we really got that and I I thought that definitely was the best episode of the season

[00:02:09] I was really engaged the whole time through and so

[00:02:12] I'm happy that I get to be here to talk about it because it was good tv. It really was actually good tv

[00:02:20] Yeah, uh, I mean, well, where do we even begin here?

[00:02:25] Because

[00:02:27] You know, we talked a lot last night about

[00:02:30] how spicy

[00:02:32] Despite the fact that she very much has done

[00:02:35] everything like very very clearly definitely has done all of the things anthony is saying that she did

[00:02:43] Is vehemently denying a good portion of it. Um, and

[00:02:49] And seems to genuinely believe that she hasn't done those things which seems very difficult to believe

[00:02:55] from from our end

[00:02:58] but

[00:02:59] And man, I've never wanted an episode to include flashbacks more

[00:03:04] Because like every single time she denied something it was like well, I can remember an exact scene where she said this exact thing that she's denying

[00:03:12] Uh that they could have played

[00:03:14] um, but uh, but it seems as though that really like

[00:03:18] built into this crescendo of like

[00:03:23] Like like she maybe actually believes that despite doing those things she was still being loyal

[00:03:29] to anthony and is is just extremely

[00:03:34] hurt and betrayed by him turning on her and

[00:03:38] I think that like it's it's this weird situation where

[00:03:43] It it's like maybe anthony should have just lied

[00:03:47] And told her she was right like yeah, it had nothing to do with anything else

[00:03:50] It was just because you were there because I fully don't believe that is the case. I think spicy is absolutely wrong about that

[00:03:57] We've seen evidence of this on the drops in the episodes in the dioramas for weeks now

[00:04:02] That anthony felt very hurt and betrayed when spicy betrayed him on multiple occasions and has been

[00:04:09] planning this ever since

[00:04:12] And uh, and so like it gets to this point where like should should he have just lied to her

[00:04:19] And been like you're right. It's just because you're such a great player and I need to take you out

[00:04:25] or

[00:04:26] Is it the same response just different words?

[00:04:29] I I think it's like

[00:04:31] It's the fatal flaw that a lot of people have when they're on the way out the door is that

[00:04:36] You're mad and you want to be mad and you want the other person to admit that they're wrong

[00:04:43] And so you want to say a lot of the things that spicy say you're going to regret this. This isn't true

[00:04:48] Uh, you're going to look like such a fool, etc

[00:04:50] But those are not the things that you need to say in order to be kept because like what's anthony gonna say?

[00:04:55] Oh, you're right. I was wrong. I'm gonna keep you no

[00:04:58] Like he's not gonna do that. So even even if it's even if spicy was telling the truth here

[00:05:03] So I feel like what you need to do is say oh my gosh anthony, you know, I'm so sorry like apologize

[00:05:10] Tell him he's right and then work on basically either begging for forgiveness or coming up with some logical reasons

[00:05:17] Why he might actually

[00:05:18] Want to keep her explain to him that he's just played in the in one the final five hoh

[00:05:24] And that he needs someone else on his side who's going to keep him going into the next couple rounds

[00:05:28] Like things like that, uh would be logical things to do

[00:05:33] We're not talking about spicy here. I'm just saying in general and I think from anthony's perspective

[00:05:38] It's it's not exactly the same thing, but it's a little bit similar some person might be able to say

[00:05:43] You're right. Tell talk to spicy exactly the way she wants to be talked to explain to her that she's just a big threat

[00:05:50] And yes, he is turning on her and he is lying to her

[00:05:54] But you know start working on that jury vote essentially

[00:05:57] And that's hard to do when you have someone

[00:06:01] Yelling lying and carrying on and all the other things because he wants to just

[00:06:05] Be a stone wall. He wants to be right. He wants to win this as well

[00:06:10] And that's a very human instinct. So I think I can completely understand why they're both doing what they're doing

[00:06:16] Um, I have a lot more thoughts on like the spicy

[00:06:20] Whether or not she believes her own lies

[00:06:22] Thing but uh, I don't need to go on another like 10 minutes. I read so

[00:06:26] Was anybody else like jonesing for a house meeting? I'm like call them in

[00:06:31] I wanted some verifications people being like, well, did you say this?

[00:06:34] Did you say that?

[00:06:35] I know it would be kind of bad for anthony because he would have to admit to some of the other things that he had going on

[00:06:40] Um, and also obviously bad for spicy because she'd have to admit of everything that she had going on

[00:06:45] But I just wanted people to clear up some of these lies because she's like that's absolutely not true

[00:06:49] And then he'd go and verify it with bailey and she's like no she said that like well bailey

[00:06:53] Will you come in and say this in front of spicy so we can see if she's lying or not?

[00:06:59] um, that was something that I was really craving. I'm like, please get some verification some

[00:07:04] Real person to person interaction so she could lie to their face or not

[00:07:09] I want yeah, I think the reality is the minute you touch that block

[00:07:14] It's done. Your game is done. You're going home

[00:07:17] Throw everything on the onto the wall see what sticks

[00:07:20] I think a house meeting would have been both entertaining

[00:07:22] And could maybe open a couple things or it could just make sure that you're going home anyway

[00:07:27] Again, the reality is you're not staying

[00:07:30] So if you're objectivist of either find a way to stay or throw truth bombs

[00:07:34] I think do it in front of everybody

[00:07:36] It'll be fine because I think my biggest quam with all of this was I think she spent entirely way too much time

[00:07:42] With anthony as opposed to the other people because I mean guess we'll never really know but

[00:07:47] Could things have been patched up with a couple combos? Maybe I feel like bailey was very clearly unsure about this entire thing

[00:07:54] For a while

[00:07:56] So that could have maybe helped something again. I still pretty much doubt it

[00:08:00] But I think you just throw everything you can at every direction you can and not just on anthony who ultimately

[00:08:06] You would still need one of the two votes for a tiebreaker. So that's that's the thing

[00:08:10] I feel like she shouldn't have been throwing everything everywhere. She should she had a very clear target

[00:08:16] There was there were two votes and they're voting the same

[00:08:19] so

[00:08:21] Don't even speak to anthony

[00:08:23] You should be concentrating entirely all of your efforts on bailey and todd

[00:08:28] And and I don't think she was done the second she hit the block. In fact, I think she had

[00:08:33] a colossal chance to stay

[00:08:35] despite hitting the block

[00:08:38] To the point that like

[00:08:39] I think everybody collectively on sunday night watching anthony decide to put lexus on the block was like

[00:08:45] What an idiot this guy

[00:08:48] Just lost lexus like he's go like they're going to vote lexus out

[00:08:55] But it it wasn't even close

[00:08:58] Like we it wasn't even remotely remotely close when I ran the prediction on my stream tonight about the vote

[00:09:04] It was a hundred percent 2.0 spicy leads

[00:09:08] like

[00:09:09] There was nothing there, but there was so much that could have been argued

[00:09:13] You know arissa even asks her like

[00:09:16] Did you feel like campaigning to bailey and todd at all considering they were the only two votes?

[00:09:22] And she was like, I just saw in their face that I was done and it's just like you weren't though

[00:09:28] I had such a chance

[00:09:30] It's interesting because like initially when you talked about you know the drops earlier in the week and stuff

[00:09:37] It sounded like it could be a downside for anthony's game

[00:09:42] to

[00:09:43] Give all the information to bailey and todd and turn them against spicy so early

[00:09:48] The one benefit which is what ended up happening is that they were already so against her

[00:09:54] That it would have it's not impossible

[00:09:57] But it would have taken a lot from spicy to work on both of them because even if one of them decides to stay against her

[00:10:03] That's hard. So anthony did have the time advantage of having

[00:10:07] given them enough time

[00:10:10] To be against her and then spicy didn't help herself by uh

[00:10:15] Yelling screaming throwing things etc

[00:10:23] Obviously that doesn't help

[00:10:25] I think I think really the people I want to give a lot of props to bailey and I would say particularly lexus

[00:10:30] But also bailey and todd did a great job of just like

[00:10:35] quietly going through this week

[00:10:38] Being going into the rooms at the right times saying things at the right times from what we've seen like it it seemed like there's

[00:10:47] uh

[00:10:48] bailey in particular does not leave anthony alone very often

[00:10:53] With with other people lexus did a really great job of the kind of like when she's alone with bailey and todd continuing to

[00:11:00] Oh, there there goes spicy again. Yep exactly what we thought wow

[00:11:05] Especially saying things like oh

[00:11:07] Yeah, she told you that she has a final two with you

[00:11:10] She told me the same thing did did spicy tell lexus that they have a final two

[00:11:14] Constantly even as recent as a couple days ago hard to tell but lexus did a great job continuing that line of thought

[00:11:21] yeah, yeah, and and you know it's just like it's such a missed opportunity because

[00:11:28] I really really felt like

[00:11:31] Even after the drops that showed us that spicy touched the block. I was like flip a coin

[00:11:35] spicy states uh like

[00:11:38] Spicy could say nothing in the game. She could say it

[00:11:41] she could not say she could go and dan geesling herself into a pillow for the next four days

[00:11:47] And still potentially stay

[00:11:49] Just on todd and bailey kind of thinking through the final four scenarios on their own

[00:11:56] And how beneficial it would be for them to make it to final three together if spicy was still in the game

[00:12:03] So like, you know, unfortunately I think that the way that spicy

[00:12:09] I guess didn't campaign

[00:12:11] Like she's basically anti campaign

[00:12:14] Cut all of that short

[00:12:16] And and prevented her from being able to stay and I think that I think that like what you can chalk that up to

[00:12:21] To at least some degree is that she clearly had like a very strong reaction to

[00:12:28] being put up by anthony

[00:12:30] Which again kind of brings us back to like how does that make sense considering you have absolutely been dogging anthony all season long

[00:12:39] I think that she kind of got lost in the fact that she was getting away with so many things

[00:12:43] Like everything was going her way

[00:12:45] She everybody that she wanted out and seemed like she really pulled the world over everybody's eyes

[00:12:50] And so the fact that she got caught with I do think that she wanted to go to the end with dougie

[00:12:55] But if somebody took him out that would be good too

[00:12:59] And so I think that she just kind of got startled by the fact like oh my goodness

[00:13:03] I have so many lies that I need to cover up

[00:13:05] And I think it was just too hard for her to try to mend

[00:13:08] Everything with todd and bailey and thought like okay if I can get

[00:13:13] If I can get dougie back on my side

[00:13:15] He can just do the work and mend that relationship and get them to keep me because I can't go and like

[00:13:20] Fix an entire season where I really have been manipulating people and lying to everybody in this game

[00:13:26] And so I think it was just too much work for her to be able to do and she thought that

[00:13:29] Her easiest pass would be if doug would be on her side

[00:13:33] The I think it's a combination of what you said chantel where it's kind of everything has worked for her so far

[00:13:40] And I think also results oriented looking at things would also help that where

[00:13:45] You can actively target someone for seven weeks and if you're still at the final five with them look how far we've come together

[00:13:52] Like that narrative works and again

[00:13:55] None of the receipts have been flashed in her face yet until this moment

[00:13:58] So she can look at it and be like we've been doing the job perfectly

[00:14:02] I've been a sleeper agent on this side. You've been an agent on that side. We've been working it

[00:14:06] but also

[00:14:07] Is not quite clocking that

[00:14:10] You know, you're very upset at anthony doing this to you

[00:14:13] Understand that anthony's very upset that he's found out that you were saying stuff about him

[00:14:16] It doesn't matter if it's cloak and daggers if this was supposed to be smoke screen or you actually meant it

[00:14:22] When you hear that from others you actively realize. Oh, there's a lot of moments where I could have gone

[00:14:27] Oh, there's a lot of moments with the wrong person wins power

[00:14:29] They put me up because of the stuff you're saying to hide everything

[00:14:33] So it's it's it's a complex situation and and ultimately

[00:14:38] These two are have been working together from the beginning

[00:14:40] But are also friends and I feel like part of the reason why I think spicy spent so much time on anthony was

[00:14:47] Well, if I convince anthony if anthony forgives me, I have all the votes now

[00:14:52] I can be here still

[00:14:54] And and I also want to patch things up. I also want to make good. We've talked about spicy, right spicy

[00:14:59] No one is higher on their own supply than spicy spicy loves her own supply so much

[00:15:04] But I think she's also bought into some of the stuff that she is completely innocent

[00:15:07] um, but

[00:15:09] I'll say this

[00:15:10] Doesn't matter how much we can talk about what the right move should have been

[00:15:13] This is exactly how I should have gone down because it is 100% the most entertaining way it could have gone down

[00:15:17] For us. Yes. Yeah, exactly. And that's a that's the other question though, right like for as much as we can talk about

[00:15:23] How anthony handled it could it have gone down any other way?

[00:15:28] like because again, I I do think he is being

[00:15:32] Entirely genuine when he says

[00:15:34] This is when I decided that, you know that we weren't working together anymore

[00:15:39] Uh, he is completely correct that like all of his people were obsessed with spicy. They were constantly saying

[00:15:47] I trust spicy. We got to bring spicy to the final four to the whatever

[00:15:51] whereas

[00:15:52] You know, it's spicy's people were like we should bring anthony far in the game and she was like no, we shouldn't

[00:15:57] And then they're like, you're right. We shouldn't

[00:16:00] And uh, and he had a conversation with her about that and was like, yo your people are

[00:16:07] Like

[00:16:08] Trashing me and targeting me

[00:16:10] My people are not doing that to you because I'm I'm talking you up to them

[00:16:13] You need to be doing that with me and she was like, you're right anthony

[00:16:17] I will start doing that and then didn't start doing that

[00:16:21] and so

[00:16:23] Like I do genuinely believe that's how he felt and I think it's hard to lie to somebody about your

[00:16:29] motivation for taking them out

[00:16:32] But but like even if he had even if he had just been like, you know what all of that

[00:16:37] Doesn't matter. I didn't catch any of it. Whatever the case may be. I'm just taking you out because you're a threat

[00:16:44] You know does does she still have the same reaction because it feels like from my perspective she probably does right like

[00:16:50] She was

[00:16:52] She was gonna have this reaction. I think no matter what happened

[00:16:55] I think it's because of how she's been playing up the audience, you know with like, you know

[00:17:01] At all the time like oh spicy. I'm not on the block again

[00:17:04] Like I think that her ego also took a really big battering

[00:17:09] And and the fact that it came from dugga she wanted to be the person that did that to doug

[00:17:12] And he would have to be the one that's like forgiving her for what she had to do for her game

[00:17:16] And so I think the fact that he got one up on her

[00:17:20] Is what's really really hurting her ego?

[00:17:23] especially

[00:17:25] Honestly, which honestly I think is

[00:17:27] Maybe part of why she because that's that that very much tracks with the language

[00:17:32] She used to talk

[00:17:34] Anthony down in the game all season was that like he's never going to let us get to the end

[00:17:39] He's he's gonna turn on us. He's gonna bring matt to the end. He's gonna bring tola to the end

[00:17:45] um

[00:17:46] I think that she always feared this was going to happen and was trying to

[00:17:50] like

[00:17:52] And uh and and yeah, like trying to like defang him as much as possible and

[00:17:58] Like be in as much control as possible

[00:18:01] Leaving him vulnerable to being potentially sniped out of the game

[00:18:04] Because she was worried this would happen and then

[00:18:07] Like now that it's happening after she was worried about it all season long. It's like

[00:18:12] You know we've talked about this where it's like, you know if you

[00:18:16] If you feel like you can only blame yourself

[00:18:18] It's gonna make you lash out at the person you're blaming even more because uh, you know

[00:18:23] The last thing you want to do is to have to blame yourself for something

[00:18:27] Yeah

[00:18:28] It's also interesting because for the most part she's got plausible deniability on a rewatch not that I expect

[00:18:36] Anyone on big brother to do a rewatch but like she she

[00:18:42] For the most part throughout the whole season even with

[00:18:46] If

[00:18:47] Saying negative things about anthony to her

[00:18:51] People in the diary room. She would still say

[00:18:54] Anthony is my number one. I plan to go to the end with him etc

[00:18:58] She she it wasn't like for weeks and weeks and we she was talking about how she was going to pull a big move in backstab

[00:19:03] anthony

[00:19:04] Even though I think she could be have wanted to do that right

[00:19:08] You know, I think that it's like I think that was part of the reason was that she could then after this game

[00:19:13] If anthony screws her over she can go back and say look, I wasn't going to do it to you

[00:19:18] I

[00:19:19] She she has such a different role than he did. She had the power all season her and her people had the power

[00:19:25] Which meant that she had a lot more time to listen to people and to lead conversations

[00:19:31] About anthony and his side and so it helped to say negative things about him. It's true

[00:19:36] I think for the very most part

[00:19:38] She was still trying to protect him though like

[00:19:42] She she would she would I don't know. I don't think so though

[00:19:45] I think like if if in the first time well, okay

[00:19:49] I wouldn't be want to play with her if she was that don't she's gonna protect me

[00:19:52] I'll be like, you know what? I'll take my chances with my enemies here

[00:19:55] We talked all season about how like spicy made the game harder for both of them

[00:19:59] She definitely did and and I think I think like if if she had someone on her side like let's say on

[00:20:06] Goose's a to h or avarie's a to h or avarie's other a to h if or you know anyone's a to h if they had

[00:20:13] Said no, I'm going after anthony 100%

[00:20:18] I don't think that spicy would have just like rolled over

[00:20:21] Like I think she was going to try and fight to keep him from going home on some

[00:20:25] It doesn't feel like the kind of thing where she was constantly being like you should put him up

[00:20:29] No, no, no, like put him up like actually vote him out

[00:20:32] She was dropping little hints and stuff because she was trying to still

[00:20:36] Make it seem like he couldn't blame her for doing that. Well, I mean like like

[00:20:41] In episodes like in episodes she would be like anthony's my number one cut to a conversation with her and todd

[00:20:48] Where Todd's like, yeah, I'd probably like, you know go after maybe lexus or something

[00:20:53] She'd be like, excuse me. What are you scared to go after?

[00:20:56] bigger targets

[00:20:57] Yeah, are you too scared to go after anthony like what's happening?

[00:21:00] You're going after anthony, right?

[00:21:02] Uh, and it's like

[00:21:04] How do you spin that? You know what I mean?

[00:21:07] Yeah, I mean, I know I agree and I like and I think that she should have

[00:21:11] I think the better thing for spicy to do

[00:21:14] Would have been the second that she has a pretty good majority over anthony's people

[00:21:18] Get rid of anthony or or actively get rid of more of his people more of his close people earlier

[00:21:23] Like I guess Matthew was really the first one that like got taken out that was week six

[00:21:28] Like I don't know. I I feel like

[00:21:32] This is what happens if you let anthony get to the end and you give him enough ammunition

[00:21:37] He was I think very smart to wait until he had the exact opportunity

[00:21:44] To let everything come out and take it out as opposed to weeks ago trying to turn her people against her when he first started hearing about it

[00:21:52] yeah, and this is like

[00:21:54] From my perspective to her credit that like I think what she was trying to do

[00:22:00] was

[00:22:01] You know take away all of anthony's toys make him extremely vulnerable and then

[00:22:08] If he ends up going whoops, I guess i'm going to the final two with avry and definitely winning now, right?

[00:22:15] But the the the only and this is where I think this is maybe the key part, right?

[00:22:19] Which is that she went 95 percent of the way there

[00:22:24] And then that last five percent she refrained from pulling the trigger, right?

[00:22:29] Like she yeah, she actively did try to keep like she would encourage her allies to target anthony over and over and over and over

[00:22:36] And then when avry finally on her encouragement is like maybe I should put up anthony. She's like

[00:22:43] No, it should be matt, uh, right or like whatever the case may be um and

[00:22:49] And that's like and I think that maybe that is the thing right where she's like that five that last five percent

[00:22:54] I could have pulled the trigger on you. I should have pulled the trigger on you

[00:22:58] I didn't that is my loyalty to you. That was what I did for you

[00:23:03] and he's trying to say

[00:23:05] What about the 95 percent?

[00:23:07] And she's saying

[00:23:09] But the five percent that 95 doesn't exist also it was actually a hundred percent, but still

[00:23:16] Right, but I think emotionally that's her truth that five percent is her truth

[00:23:20] Um, and that's probably where so much of this disconnect is coming from where she feels like even though I set him up to fail

[00:23:29] I never actively pulled that trigger when I could have right and that proves that I'm loyal to him

[00:23:36] Yeah, and and from his perspective. It's like that isn't even close to loyalty

[00:23:40] Yeah, I mean it's the argument of well, I thought about doing that bad thing, but I didn't do it

[00:23:45] So therefore I'm not a bad person for not having done it. Yeah like uh like

[00:23:50] Somebody in my chat commented like this feels like it's a breakup. Uh, and it's like yeah, it's like yes

[00:23:57] I went to the hotel with that person. I got drunk with them. I went up to the room

[00:24:02] We took our clothes off. We started making up, but then I stopped

[00:24:06] I sat in the car in the parking lot at 4 a.m. For four hours

[00:24:13] Yes, I drove her

[00:24:19] I gave you my location

[00:24:22] I drove her home. That's it. That's all

[00:24:25] So here's a question I have been texting with them for four years. Okay, but like it's I never actually got physical

[00:24:32] yeah

[00:24:36] Here's this is a slightly different question I have about this

[00:24:39] So let's pretend first I can mix up the order a little if tola went out when keila did instead of keila

[00:24:46] And then even let's say okay, so then avary and keila go out at the next part

[00:24:51] But you basically you have a uh or whatever or lexus goes out

[00:24:54] Let's pretend swap somebody in for this final four where lexus is not there anthony's still there

[00:25:00] Todd and bailey are there and then one of keila or avary

[00:25:03] If anthony gets to the end

[00:25:07] In the scenario where all of his people have been taken out where he never had power at any point in time

[00:25:13] If he doesn't win this hoh, but someone else did

[00:25:17] Does anthony actually win like besides the fact that he's anthony

[00:25:20] He would have then done nothing this season like the fact that he won this one clutch hoh

[00:25:26] Can make or break the season for him and I know but like before this point

[00:25:30] We had talked about scenarios where if he gets the end against this person or this person he could win

[00:25:34] And I think that he like I think he's a great player, but it is very true that he

[00:25:40] Did not have power basically this entire game

[00:25:43] Yeah, I mean that like that was the thing right like he

[00:25:47] He set up he helped set up the structure that lasted the whole game

[00:25:52] That kept them both safe

[00:25:54] He got the vivic targeting dinis move to happen

[00:25:58] But then you know

[00:26:01] Spicy struck back

[00:26:04] struck

[00:26:06] it targeted his people and

[00:26:08] started really

[00:26:10] pushing his name to her people

[00:26:13] and

[00:26:14] If that had just continued if anthony hadn't been able to flip the script and get keila out

[00:26:20] And had lost lexus that week then then yeah, it would have just been

[00:26:25] Like where does he go from there?

[00:26:27] Like you know lexus gets

[00:26:30] Let's say it was tola because that was the smarter play to begin with

[00:26:33] Tolla gets taken out now. Todd wins the following hoh

[00:26:37] Todd probably does target aviary and keila because that's what he was going to do

[00:26:42] And and you know probably

[00:26:46] Let's say keila leaves

[00:26:48] Then then you know you head into the next hoh. It's the double eviction spicy accidentally probably still wins it

[00:26:55] Spicy takes out lexus

[00:26:57] And now it's anthony Todd Bailey aviary spicy

[00:27:02] I I don't think there's really a winning combination for anthony there unless he like wins out and takes pot or something

[00:27:07] Which I don't think he would have even done

[00:27:10] I think at that point he still probably like takes baylee

[00:27:14] But um, but yeah, but I think that's part of what spicy wanted right like that's you know

[00:27:19] She wanted him in a corner in a spot where he

[00:27:23] Couldn't win and that she would beat him which is

[00:27:26] perfectly fine

[00:27:28] Like that's that's what she should be doing

[00:27:31] Um, or at least I say that she should be wanting to win

[00:27:35] But I don't think she should be doing that particular strategy because if you are going to play against anthony

[00:27:41] You shouldn't keep him. Uh, you should just get rid of him

[00:27:45] But I think that she felt obliged to keep him around

[00:27:49] Due to their connection and the alumni thing

[00:27:52] And again, I feel like that's where she hesitated on that like last 5% and the fact that she hesitated

[00:27:57] it's you know, uh, Mike last night talked about how this is like the the new lex in boston rob

[00:28:03] and

[00:28:04] And it does it feels that way because it's it has that same tinge of like

[00:28:11] I

[00:28:12] Had you in the palm of my hand and I was about to crush you and I didn't

[00:28:18] And now you have turned it around on me and I'm so upset about that right like people

[00:28:24] Like when you can you can you watch enough big brother

[00:28:27] You can see the the response to betrayal ends to follow certain way certain lines and like when somebody is just genuinely

[00:28:35] actually hurt

[00:28:37] by betrayal

[00:28:39] They they get just very sad most of the time

[00:28:43] And I think that's sort of what we saw was spicy last last time she was on the show. She just kind of got sad

[00:28:50] And and didn't have quite the same reaction

[00:28:53] Even though she was before still spicy b

[00:28:56] But uh, but I think that there's this extra bit of like

[00:29:02] I almost had it

[00:29:04] It's like I didn't

[00:29:06] I I didn't crush you when I could have

[00:29:10] And it's just like that makes it so much more upsetting

[00:29:13] That you decided not to do it and you blame the person you didn't do it to because they convinced you not to or

[00:29:20] Or you felt like there was some outside influence that influenced you to not do it

[00:29:25] Um, and and therefore like it's just it's so it digs into you so much deeper

[00:29:30] It makes you so much angrier

[00:29:33] Uh at this situation

[00:29:34] Instead of the cheating analogy you're talking about it's like you've been telling all your friends for months that you're going to break up with this

[00:29:40] Dude, and it's going to be so

[00:29:42] And like he's done all these things to rung you and here's all the reasons why you hate him

[00:29:47] And then he dumps you right at the end

[00:29:50] In front of everybody you have been telling him the whole time

[00:29:53] That you were going to stay loyal to him. And so now it's like it's it's adding insult to injury, right?

[00:29:58] It's like you look like a fool and you lost its bone

[00:30:01] Yeah, and and the other thing, you know, we talked about this in week one

[00:30:06] I feel like taren you brought up the alumni thing

[00:30:09] And I remember there were some moments where victoria was talking about how she's going to look bad to canada

[00:30:14] for what she's doing

[00:30:16] And I think that because I don't remember the exact code

[00:30:18] But it was one of the moments where anthony walked in on victoria being on the bed

[00:30:23] He's like i'm just thinking about how bad you're gonna look

[00:30:25] And I feel like that was definitely part of the reason that she got hesitant on doing it

[00:30:31] I feel like that's been playing in her mind a lot this season

[00:30:34] And I feel like this was a moment where she's like, I can't believe he did it to me

[00:30:38] Like well, this is disgusting. What are they gonna think of you? Because what would be a thought of me if I had done it?

[00:30:44] yeah, yeah, and

[00:30:46] you know, I

[00:30:48] I definitely think that there was a you know

[00:30:52] We talked about it early on

[00:30:54] that the name spicy proposes for the two of them is big bucks and we even said

[00:31:01] Not the best name not the best idea

[00:31:03] To name this alliance after anthony's friend who very recently passed. Yes, uh, and you know and she

[00:31:12] Very clearly was bringing up the name of that alliance. Uh, I think as a way to try to like

[00:31:19] Really dig in that knife

[00:31:22] That like you are going to look bad. How dare you have made this alliance this and betray it

[00:31:29] Yeah, I mean, I think that she just thought that she was playing a better game than she actually was

[00:31:35] And it was obviously very entertaining as she definitely had

[00:31:39] If she wasn't playing with anthony, I think that she could have easily gotten to the end

[00:31:44] And probably won the game

[00:31:46] But the fact that she was trying to keep up appearances with anthony this whole season

[00:31:50] At the same time playing the same messy spicy game

[00:31:54] It just got caught up to her if she had just even didn't even say like it's me and you to the end

[00:31:58] Ducky like she didn't even have to say that and she probably would have been able to get to the end more easily

[00:32:03] It's this whole promise that she locked him in on and it's like we're not we're doing this

[00:32:08] We're going to the end together and every we're doing for this for each other

[00:32:11] And then feeling that she was portrayed now

[00:32:13] I think that it's the fact that she she thought that their alliance was going to keep her protect her from everything

[00:32:20] Like there's no way that he was going to

[00:32:21] Betray her for any reason and the fact that he did for things that she did do

[00:32:26] I think it's what's really frustrating her is like, uh, I probably could have won this game

[00:32:30] If I didn't say that I was tightly aligned with you

[00:32:34] She probably could have and here's the thing not the best player

[00:32:37] But I will give her her flowers in that 99 out of 100 players could not play the type of game

[00:32:44] Spicy v plays and also get to the final five. This is not a game that should be getting you this far

[00:32:49] This is not a game that should be getting you to a conversation

[00:32:51] We're like, oh wow if she gets to the final two chairs

[00:32:53] She beats anybody like this is how is she even getting there in the first place?

[00:32:57] she had a very clear shot

[00:32:59] And quite a few things have to go wrong in the last couple of weeks to get us here

[00:33:03] But it ain't easy. I'm telling you I would my beard would be great by the time I get out of the house

[00:33:09] If I played this game, this is to be way too stressy

[00:33:13] Way way too stressy. Absolutely not

[00:33:15] Yeah, and I will say this as well. I think probably

[00:33:19] The most sound

[00:33:21] Strategy for trying to sabotage somebody's game going out the door that I've ever seen people always mess this up

[00:33:30] Always mess this up

[00:33:32] you know, uh like like

[00:33:35] Maybe Mitch it okay, but like

[00:33:38] People always are like I hate this person their garbage get them out. They suck

[00:33:45] Uh, and then they walk out the door and the second they walk out the door the person's like

[00:33:49] Yes, I'm not getting there Juryvo

[00:33:52] And it works and it's better for them

[00:33:55] So she at least said the right thing which was after saying after calling him trash

[00:34:02] She was like, but I'm not gonna be a bitter juror. So if you want to win, you'd better get rid of him

[00:34:10] Which is the right thing to say because now it serves both purposes, you know

[00:34:16] Do I believe her do they believe her? That's the question. There was a lot of heat

[00:34:22] behind those words

[00:34:24] And it may have come off as transparently just trying to sabotage him

[00:34:30] You know like I'm curious myself when I talk to her tomorrow like

[00:34:35] Is that real? Do you actually plan to vote for anthony in the final two?

[00:34:39] Um, and then maybe if so, do you plan to secretly make sure that nobody else votes for him?

[00:34:46] And then deny that you did that

[00:34:49] likely

[00:34:51] But uh, but it'll be interesting to see how much damage she was able to do

[00:34:57] To anthony on her way out the door here

[00:34:59] Yeah, I mean that's the thing the

[00:35:02] It could easily get lost in the retail and lost in the narrative

[00:35:06] Because the line from that speech that will stick out for everybody us and probably the people in the house included is the

[00:35:15] You won't win unless you take out the trash

[00:35:17] The bitter juror part I remember her saying it but is easily forgettable

[00:35:21] And I think the heat and the in the uh, the energy she was giving that speech could still very well translate to

[00:35:29] She's not gonna vote for this guy to win

[00:35:31] I could easily see it coming off that way more so even

[00:35:35] Um, also she dropped a couple of truth bombs which some of them are gonna want to know about like the hot chocolate

[00:35:40] So again, they might not even notice that part. They might be more focused on the other stuff

[00:35:45] Yeah, that last line from bailey at the end

[00:35:48] What's hot chocolate?

[00:35:51] Look, I don't I don't care who you are at this point

[00:35:53] There are three people who are new players first time players in the house and one returning player

[00:35:58] I don't care if you think that that uh victoria would never vote for anthony

[00:36:02] And therefore you might be able to get her vote against it get rid of anthony so that you you all have a fighting chance

[00:36:09] Like at this point you just have to do that. Um

[00:36:13] I want to bring up one thing that I thought was great about this episode

[00:36:17] Which is this might be the first time that there's been like a dumb sponsored segment

[00:36:22] That I was thoroughly entertained by because of the way that spicy was acting

[00:36:26] I was like I was at first I was anxious because they like

[00:36:31] I know that the editing has not been the world's best this season, but

[00:36:36] The way they edited the um, I don't remember was it skip whatever the

[00:36:41] Come on now. Yeah

[00:36:43] Was

[00:36:44] You have everyone in the room they do a wide shot where you see that spicy is there for a moment

[00:36:49] I actually almost thought that this was from later like for like that

[00:36:52] This was the final four and that they like just weren't showing her because they cut to close ups of everyone's faces

[00:36:59] Who are all excited? No spicy wide shot. Spicy's there standing silently

[00:37:03] I'm literally like could she have been edited in

[00:37:06] I was trying to figure this out

[00:37:08] Then they they start eating they're all joking and having a good time

[00:37:11] And I'm like, uh here's gonna be the typical segment where the person who just got betrayed

[00:37:15] Who's on the block who might be going home is going to be pretending to have a good time with everyone else?

[00:37:20] No, she was not she was rolling her eyes. She was looking mad. I'm like, yes

[00:37:24] Be real be real for this and I loved it

[00:37:29] I could never she's gonna be sponsored by skip editions now. I don't think so. She might have lost that one

[00:37:35] I just hate the the fakeness of like, oh, haha. It's been three hours

[00:37:39] But yeah, I'm happy now. Oh my god. These chicken wings are amazing. No be bitter about it

[00:37:46] Your game is on the line be upset. Don't be don't be partying

[00:37:49] I think everyone's had that where they like gotten to fight with someone and they're like especially like a parent

[00:37:54] And they're like still mad but they like come down to dinner and like everyone's having fun and talking and eating

[00:37:58] But you're like still trying to be mad

[00:37:59] Look, it's just a little bit more passive aggressive

[00:38:01] I would have been a little bit more excited about it

[00:38:03] Like just be like eating the chicken wing and like whatever, you know

[00:38:06] Like it would have been kind of fun

[00:38:07] But I agree with you it did make this sponsored content a little bit more enjoyable knowing that she did not want to

[00:38:14] Just I mean you signed up for this line

[00:38:17] That was uh, it was great

[00:38:19] That was great

[00:38:20] I was so excited

[00:38:22] Seaving with anger

[00:38:23] Put to the quo literally on the wall

[00:38:26] Literally right there

[00:38:28] You know, Mary, you're too real then because I I will fake the funk. I will fake the funk

[00:38:33] I'll pretend everything's fine because the last thing I want is for

[00:38:38] All the eyes on me or for someone to think please bring in the vibes down

[00:38:42] So I'll fake it till I'm alone and then I'll let it all out strategy. I just thought it was it was finally real

[00:38:48] I just like I I hate because so many times they'll do this where it's like someone gets put on the block

[00:38:54] And then they're like play hide and seek or whatever do something and I'm like

[00:38:58] I would have such a hard time pretending to have fun

[00:39:01] If I was in this scenario and I just want to see other people be real

[00:39:06] I mean, I would have a hard time pretending I was having fun

[00:39:14] I was like it's different our family members coming into the house. Like what who is it?

[00:39:17] Like they're screaming they're leaping over furniture to go to this room and Bailey's just like

[00:39:23] It was just very excited reactions and I don't know if I could be that excited

[00:39:28] Here's my question to the three of you how warm do you think that food was?

[00:39:35] It's it's can't ever be very warm, right?

[00:39:38] Always got to be like stale like

[00:39:41] Yeah, yeah, see I would I would not be able to fake that I'd be very irritated if my if I'm batting into a cold wing

[00:39:48] I'm sorry. No

[00:39:50] What else they have on that menu

[00:39:53] Was it wings I saw did I see mozzarella sticks? I feel like I saw mozzarella sticks

[00:39:56] You can't have a mozzarella stick. It'd just be like hard cheese

[00:39:59] It has to be stringable, you know as long as they didn't put fries at least that's the saving grace because that's just not no good

[00:40:05] Unless you have an air fryer, right? Do you think that's why they do breakfast now at Wendy's because like the fries were always looking terrible

[00:40:10] Yeah, well, what is the what is the side at Wendy's breakfast? That's potato base. That's still gonna be bad

[00:40:18] But it doesn't look bad like those hash brownie things

[00:40:21] Hmm. Well, that's the thing is they don't usually I think show the food

[00:40:34] Got my frosty. Yeah, leave it to the imagination anything could be in those bags, you know

[00:40:42] So

[00:40:44] You know it it appears as though things got even spicier after the last time we saw the these house guests on the drops

[00:40:53] that uh

[00:40:54] Spicy went back in to anthony's ho a-troom

[00:40:58] Um, and this this was and I really felt like like I could I could literally be watching a couple in the middle of a divorce right now

[00:41:07] Like when spicy was like crying like i'm sorry

[00:41:10] I'm sorry to like split second to then like screw you though

[00:41:16] And like all of the back and forth and then swipes the I don't know what it was

[00:41:22] Was it a glass? It was a glass, bro. Sure

[00:41:25] Yeah, and uh

[00:41:27] And and the other the other players are like, oh my god

[00:41:32] This this is what this is where people were like this feels like

[00:41:36] Old big brother this feels like the kinds of fights you used to see on the show

[00:41:44] You know and my response to that is that like you used to see him on the feet

[00:41:50] Right

[00:41:52] But this is the sort of thing that they have seemed to try to shy away from as much as possible

[00:41:57] both in casting and in like

[00:42:00] actually showing them

[00:42:03] And uh, and it definitely got heated

[00:42:07] um

[00:42:08] I I know that uh, this must have been

[00:42:12] like

[00:42:13] You know basically for anthony he's talked a lot about you know being a black man

[00:42:19] That's very large and how he has to like really like make himself smaller and he really really never wanted to

[00:42:26] Be in like a screaming fight with somebody on the show

[00:42:31] Because he knows the kind of scrutiny that will be on him as a large black man if he did that

[00:42:38] And so the fact that he got to that point I think says a lot about

[00:42:44] Just how much emotion he was feeling in that moment

[00:42:48] and uh, and definitely I think like speaks to the level of

[00:42:53] Like just

[00:42:56] immense

[00:43:00] Henshin

[00:43:01] Yes, he was kind of being like gaslit, you know because he's like no you're making it make me feel like I'm crazy right now

[00:43:08] And this is what you did and this is how I feel about it

[00:43:11] She's like no, I didn't say that and no he shouldn't feel like that and he's like

[00:43:14] I think that it's a frustration of like he knows

[00:43:17] What is real and truthful and the fact that she's not owning up to it just so he could be like

[00:43:23] Okay, like thank you for not saying that i'm crazy about this right now

[00:43:27] And you've owned up to what you've done and so I think that if she had just owned up to it because that's all he kept on saying is

[00:43:32] Just own up to it

[00:43:34] And I think that that's the frustration is that she was really allowing him to feel like he was going crazy

[00:43:39] And not just admitting to what she had done

[00:43:42] And you know, I definitely resonate with what that anthony feels like you know as a

[00:43:47] brown man with a thick beard. I'm very very

[00:43:52] Very aware of what i'm saying in a public setting or in an argument with somebody that's being like

[00:43:57] That's around people because the minute you raise your voice a little bit

[00:44:00] What am I aggressive and and now i'm not beating those allegations forever

[00:44:04] Because everyone's just going to see me as this loud yelling person

[00:44:07] So for him to get to that breaking point right after she storms out the room

[00:44:13] It would have had to have been a lot because I mean we saw it go back and forth a bunch of times where he's trying to explain it

[00:44:18] She's not getting it. She's getting mad. She gets up to walk away

[00:44:21] Then she's like actually let me sit down one more time and let you explain because I really don't understand it

[00:44:25] And then he got well two sentences in when she cussed them out broke

[00:44:29] Someone's glass in his hoh room goes out starts yelling to the other players there

[00:44:35] At what point are you gonna get up and say something because like how much does he can he not say anything before he gets to that point

[00:44:41] Where he's gonna say something

[00:44:43] Um, and I feel like it just got to a place where he's like, i'm sorry

[00:44:46] Can you stop this because this is outrageous?

[00:44:50] Especially when i'm not giving you that energy

[00:44:52] And I feel like that's the other thing is when you're met with this energy

[00:44:55] You're like, oh, that's fine. They're a little bit upset. That's cool. I'll let it slide let it slide

[00:44:59] At some point you're like, okay, but you can't keep giving me this energy

[00:45:02] I'm gonna have to say something back like I just have to but he was also very quick with that

[00:45:05] I don't feel like he let it linger

[00:45:07] He's kind of backed off almost instantly because you know, it's like you let it out for three seconds and immediately that rush of regret

[00:45:13] It's right

[00:45:15] Yeah

[00:45:16] uh and and man it's uh

[00:45:20] It really it got intense and then you know

[00:45:24] Spicy did not let up as we talked about even in the speech

[00:45:28] She is going in hard on anthony. I I cannot remember

[00:45:33] uh a time

[00:45:36] Um where I think I've seen somebody this this might genuinely be

[00:45:41] The the hardest i've seen anybody go at somebody on their way out the door

[00:45:46] um

[00:45:48] like

[00:45:49] I think most of what we normally see like even like speeches

[00:45:53] On their way out. It's usually tinged with like I love you all. It's just a game

[00:45:59] Yeah, like it's usually it's usually tinged with like uh like, you know

[00:46:02] This person's running the game take them out or like at worst

[00:46:06] It's like uh a cheeky like again like mitch like this person is a cancer remove right house

[00:46:11] But like it's mitch like he's playing a game. He's having fun. Um

[00:46:16] You know

[00:46:17] Like or you'll maybe see some people like just walk straight out the door. Maybe they'll like

[00:46:24] Go for a table or something

[00:46:27] kylan maybe uh

[00:46:29] Yeah, that's a good example from the chat of somebody who looked really went for but that but that was with like kylan's brand of

[00:46:36] like

[00:46:37] You know

[00:46:38] Going at somebody boogie and how we from back in the day

[00:46:42] Yeah, yeah, uh

[00:46:44] You know, it's so again like yeah very much. Um, I think in

[00:46:49] In the old school style, but honestly even in the old school like uh, it this is definitely like up there

[00:46:56] I think in terms of exits

[00:46:58] and um, and you know, I would say

[00:47:02] Apart from the bucks thing which I really

[00:47:05] Like I don't think it needed to go there. Uh, I think it was fantastic

[00:47:10] Uh, like I think that like just marvelous television

[00:47:15] I think that uh, you know, hopefully both of them are emotionally okay after the show

[00:47:22] Uh, but like yeah, they you know, both of them signed up for this right? Uh, and

[00:47:29] He knew that she's gonna have a reaction

[00:47:31] There's no way that spicy v is going to take this lightly take it on the chin just being like

[00:47:35] Okay, good game. You got me like there's no way like he's he's been preparing for this reaction

[00:47:41] So he's gonna have to pick up the pieces now for sure

[00:47:43] But I don't think that her reaction caught him off guard at all

[00:47:47] I think he was expecting her to be this big in her or her reaction to this betrayal

[00:47:52] Yeah, and when someone is that big like that like a

[00:47:57] I I think the thing to infuriate them into like is to not give them oxygen

[00:48:02] Which is pretty much what he did. You know, he tried to

[00:48:05] Try to talk calmly to her

[00:48:06] Obviously, she doesn't want to hear the way she messed up and doesn't want to hear the truths

[00:48:12] So, uh, yeah, I

[00:48:14] I think he really did the best he could in this scenario. Um

[00:48:18] And and and now he gets to have her walk out and turned everyone else and be like, wow, that was uh, that was a lot

[00:48:25] Yeah, and now the number one question i'm gonna have and taren will pretty much solve this

[00:48:30] The minute we hear your exit interview is that with a couple days having passed?

[00:48:35] Where is her head at right now? Is she still holding the exact same energy?

[00:48:38] She did with irissa out at the stage or has have things kind of calm down a little bit because that's what something i'm very curious about

[00:48:47] Um, because ultimately the reality is they have been friends

[00:48:51] As of what we saw in the episode she has no interest in anything with him outside of the house moving forward

[00:48:58] But we all have been arguments and fights

[00:49:01] You come to regret some of those decisions and things can sometimes come back to normal

[00:49:06] I'm curious. I'm telling you I

[00:49:09] I feel so strongly that

[00:49:11] I will get an answer that is something along the lines of

[00:49:16] It may not so strongly, but like I think there is such a high likelihood that

[00:49:20] Uh

[00:49:21] That there is a set of answers she could give me with that

[00:49:26] That goes something like

[00:49:28] I will not be bitter. I will be voting for anthony in the final two

[00:49:34] But man these other house guests

[00:49:37] They really

[00:49:39] Don't like the way that anthony played

[00:49:41] um, and

[00:49:43] Like we know exactly what that means right like

[00:49:47] Like I I really feel like is i'm absolutely going to because I think she's been

[00:49:51] I assume that she has been in the jury house since month

[00:49:54] Uh, or maybe maybe yesterday. I don't know what the timeline is

[00:49:58] But like this is a player who I think has been in the house

[00:50:03] With the other people

[00:50:04] And therefore can hopefully speak to what she's been hearing

[00:50:09] So I definitely want to ask her like how do you think the other jurors are feeling about

[00:50:14] anthony about the vote about whatever

[00:50:16] um, and uh, and I think it will be very telling if spicy

[00:50:21] Says I feel one way but they feel another way because we know

[00:50:26] How much control she has I think over how they perceive the situation

[00:50:31] Um, and if she tries to sell us the same thing she's trying to sell

[00:50:35] anthony

[00:50:36] Like it's like okay now I now I feel like I know she's doing it intentionally right like that's the way I think we find out

[00:50:44] Well, and I also think it's going to be pretty easy for her to

[00:50:48] Sway the jury because when we saw that segment with them

[00:50:51] They are not a fan of dougie at all. They're like, oh my god. I can't believe he's loyal to the soil

[00:50:57] Yeah, right like they're already kind of against him and we have avry being like that's my girl

[00:51:02] That's my spicy. She's my person and when she comes in and is going to say that like oh dougie

[00:51:08] Like betrayed me

[00:51:10] I just don't know if he's going to be able to sway them with her going in there

[00:51:15] And I think that she's going to lean into that

[00:51:16] I think she's just going to go with that vibe that like yeah, he's he sucks and he's not loyal at all

[00:51:22] And he doesn't deserve to win. I think that that's narrative. She's going to go with

[00:51:26] Yeah, it definitely seems like that

[00:51:28] Given the current state of things

[00:51:30] I think to puya's point there's definitely a chance that she you know starts to

[00:51:36] Calm down

[00:51:37] um

[00:51:37] I do think that like probably a good portion of

[00:51:41] Like what played into this is the fact that this I guess we haven't really talked about it explicitly

[00:51:46] The reason why I'm saying that she's probably in the jury house

[00:51:49] For a couple of days is because

[00:51:52] This eviction we believe took place on monday

[00:51:55] um a couple of days ago

[00:51:57] And they I didn't really make that clear in uh in the episode

[00:52:01] But on the drops the last thing we saw on the drops was sunday saying tomorrow is a live eviction

[00:52:08] so

[00:52:10] Basically the time between spicy going on the block and being evicted was actually

[00:52:15] Pretty small compared to the normal amount of time. So she really didn't have a lot of time to

[00:52:22] Talk things through more without all of the heavy emotions

[00:52:27] um, which I think was

[00:52:29] You know theoretically both bad for her because she didn't have a chance to like calm down and properly campaign

[00:52:34] Also bad for anthony that he didn't have a chance for her to calm down and have an actual good conversation with her

[00:52:40] And so I think this sped up

[00:52:43] Eviction process definitely contributed toward

[00:52:47] What we saw in the episodes

[00:52:49] And do you think that they knew that at the beginning of the week or was it just like nope surprise?

[00:52:53] The eviction's gonna be tomorrow

[00:52:57] Listen spicy is at the at the center of a previous

[00:53:02] Little bit of interesting piece of

[00:53:06] scheduling mix-ups with the when she was hoh and they changed the nomination time

[00:53:12] And then when she was being backdoor, it was like all of a sudden she comes out of the diorama

[00:53:17] She's like wait a minute. Am I being targeted guys?

[00:53:19] uh, like there's definitely been some history of

[00:53:23] Big brother canada

[00:53:25] Messing with some things potentially

[00:53:27] Especially revolving around spicy this time potentially against her instead of for her who knows

[00:53:33] um, and and listen there's a reason why they they don't want the live feeds right like uh, so

[00:53:39] um, you know, it would not surprise me at all if uh, if this was maybe a little bit of on the fly decision

[00:53:46] Because I don't think it's a normal one for the final five. Uh, you could say that they were planning to do the final four eviction

[00:53:52] Uh, you know a film that ahead of time give them a little more space for that. But like

[00:53:57] Why?

[00:53:58] Like I don't think they've done that before

[00:54:00] Uh, but who knows?

[00:54:02] And I guess they wanted the the spicy eviction

[00:54:05] episode

[00:54:07] Ah interesting

[00:54:09] interesting indeed. Um, so

[00:54:13] That's that seems to be where we are we did get a jury segment. We talked about it a little bit

[00:54:17] definitely seemed like

[00:54:19] Pro spicy. I mean watching the jury segment. We talked a little bit about like should anthony be targeting spicy should he be targeting bailey

[00:54:26] And you know that at the beginning of the week at least my conclusion was I don't think it really matters

[00:54:30] I think that there's pros and cons to every single choice. He can make here apart from lexus

[00:54:34] Uh watching the jury segment was like, okay. Yeah, this is definitely what he has to do

[00:54:38] Right like you can't let spicy get anywhere closer to the end again

[00:54:43] not that I think that was his explicit reason, um, but

[00:54:47] uh, but they were very much rooting for spicy

[00:54:50] um, and uh, and I very much expect that when spicy goes into the jury house

[00:54:54] She will have

[00:54:56] A lot of influence over the votes, uh, uh of the jury house

[00:55:01] Um, so how she feels about anthony definitely matters. Will she be quote-unquote better?

[00:55:07] Will she be you know voting for him because they didn't get him out?

[00:55:12] I'm not sure

[00:55:13] One thing that was kind of interesting and and tola mentioned this to me in his interview

[00:55:17] Loosely at the end of it. Uh

[00:55:19] That he seemed to be a little hurt about anthony casting a vote against him despite promising that he would not

[00:55:26] Um, now tola mentioned this to me as I said in the exit interview

[00:55:29] Uh in the same interview he did say I am voting for anthony if he makes it to the end

[00:55:34] Um, he just said that like anthony just needs to explain himself when it comes to the vote

[00:55:39] I think there's a very easy explanation

[00:55:41] This was exactly my argument for why spice he should not have given avry this empathy vote because

[00:55:46] You can always just explain it if you need to

[00:55:49] But I think what's particularly funny to me is that with spicy heading to the jury

[00:55:54] Presumably telling the story of how she completely lost bailey because she cast a sympathy vote for avry

[00:56:02] I wonder if tola's like

[00:56:04] Okay, I get it

[00:56:08] Yeah, you'll understand I think well

[00:56:09] He's not he's definitely not an understanding right now because in that jury segment

[00:56:13] He was just like I can't believe that he did that to me and I'm like it's really obvious

[00:56:17] I think I still like why you just want to go with the majority

[00:56:21] Um, but I think it speaks to the I think it speaks to the general tenor

[00:56:27] Of the jury house that that he seems more upset by it now than he did in the exit interview, right?

[00:56:32] Uh, if he was kind of like maybe I want to ask anthony about that in the interview that I had with him

[00:56:37] Then he gets to the jury and now he's feeling like man that anthony. He's not loyal

[00:56:42] I need to talk to him about that vote. Uh, I think that means that he's talking to people that are encouraging that mindset

[00:56:49] um, and now that the jury segments

[00:56:53] end to be misleading

[00:56:54] Uh, and that that what I just said could be true

[00:56:57] But it might be true because they're anticipating a spicy anthony final two

[00:57:02] And so they're trying to dog anthony so that spicy can win and then if spicy is gone

[00:57:08] That might change right like so many different potential dynamics in a jury house that it's so difficult to try and

[00:57:14] predict uh really anything in terms of like the whole but uh, but I did think it was interesting

[00:57:21] Not much else from the jury

[00:57:24] Not all the the goose flying around no

[00:57:28] I don't know what we were doing there

[00:57:31] The working out with uh, keila

[00:57:34] No goose's favorite new saying now is chewing you up and spitting you out

[00:57:39] He said that at least the three different people about their same outcome. So yeah

[00:57:44] Um, I mean that is not that on inaccurate, you know, yeah, it could be worse

[00:57:50] Now the question I have go ahead mary. Oh, I was just gonna say before the jury segment

[00:57:54] I like how before we cut to commercial they had to foreshadow goose hearing birds but not seeing them

[00:58:01] Because that was so important. We needed to hear it twice

[00:58:03] Oh, yeah

[00:58:05] very important

[00:58:06] My question will all come down to this now. Obviously we've talked about

[00:58:11] uh

[00:58:11] Spicy v potentially going through the bitter journey

[00:58:15] Maybe tainting a couple of people with the worth her version of the story

[00:58:19] My number one question is this because I still think anthony has a good shot sitting next to at least two people

[00:58:26] Do not think he should be sitting next to bailey. So taran

[00:58:29] Who's on can you power ranking what his most likely picks are for final two right now?

[00:58:37] I I'm not sure. I mean the last he told us at lexus and bailey were high

[00:58:43] um for loyalty

[00:58:45] And you know, I

[00:58:48] I don't know exactly what that means. I mean, I think that if he had to if you if

[00:58:53] Todd wins the final four hoh

[00:58:55] And anthony wins the final four veto and he has to pick between lexus and bailey to bring to the final two

[00:59:02] um, I think

[00:59:04] The thing that should break the tie there is

[00:59:09] bailey and todd

[00:59:10] May take each other certainly tawd is taking bailey right

[00:59:14] And so if I have to pick one I have to choose lexus who's definitely taking me and I can definitely take and I probably be lexus

[00:59:22] um

[00:59:23] If he's able to get todd out in the final four, which is I think his preferred outcome

[00:59:28] um, then

[00:59:30] He wins the final three hoh has to choose between bailey or lexus

[00:59:35] I I to my knowledge he's telling the truth to bailey when he says he's never promised final two to lexus

[00:59:42] Um, I don't think I've ever heard him say that to her. Uh, so

[00:59:48] It like it would not surprise me if he took bailey

[00:59:52] But obviously I think he should take lexus. Do we think lexus

[00:59:57] Thanks, but she is for sure anthony's number one and that anthony has just been kind of telling bailey and todd what they want to hear

[01:00:04] Yeah, um, I mean they've they've been working as a team

[01:00:08] For so long. Yeah, I think she feels that way for sure. I think too

[01:00:13] I was gonna say just the episode viewers, but that's pretty much everybody

[01:00:17] all of us

[01:00:19] Yeah, to the episode viewers like it

[01:00:21] It feels like the bailey anthony relationship of the last couple episodes has come

[01:00:27] Not exactly out of nowhere, but like I think on a surface level people go

[01:00:31] Why is he all of a sudden really close to bailey? He should no brainer be closer to lexus

[01:00:36] they've been the ones together for so long but

[01:00:39] Gosh the way that bailey talks with anthony. It really feels like bailey has has a hold on him

[01:00:46] I mean, Mary, I I think it was with you right early in the season

[01:00:50] We were talking about one of anthony and bailey's like first big fights. Yeah, and I was like, you know

[01:00:57] I think the two of them if they somehow

[01:01:00] Blast in the game because bailey's obviously gonna be leaving soon

[01:01:03] But if somehow bailey made it far in the game, I could see these two end up working together

[01:01:08] Yeah, I mean, yeah, Mary

[01:01:10] What you said earlier about not wanting fake you don't want fake

[01:01:14] I think bailey's probably the one that you can pretty much trust everything she's saying because she's never hid anything from you

[01:01:20] He's always been up front with him about how she's felt about the things he says or the decisions

[01:01:25] He's making or the moves that want to happen

[01:01:27] She's never swayed from that and I think for him

[01:01:30] Especially now getting shell shocked by some of the spicy stuff mid season

[01:01:35] Well, if there's one person's word I can trust is bailey like she's not gonna sugarcoat it

[01:01:40] Bailey has lied like she lied in this episode

[01:01:43] She lied to spicy him is like, oh, you know, I'm not I knew that he might have had a bigger plan

[01:01:48] But I didn't know what it was like but that's more

[01:01:52] Lined by omission than it is of like creating things. So and I think yeah, like she's she's been

[01:01:59] Pretty real, you know, tae taran has said it all season like

[01:02:02] bailey is really good at getting other people to believe her

[01:02:07] Version of events and her perspective and so I think when she's talking to anthony and she wants to

[01:02:14] anthony to keep her off the block

[01:02:16] I think that she does a great job of

[01:02:19] Convincing him that that's 100 percent how her feelings have always been

[01:02:23] Because it's true to her in that moment

[01:02:25] I think there was a shift though because like I remember at one point

[01:02:28] Like they were kind of enemies and then all of a sudden like

[01:02:32] No, I love bailey like I want bailey to stay like i'm not going against bailey

[01:02:35] And then all of a sudden their final twos or or want to get to the end together

[01:02:39] So I think we just missed a lot of stuff and they didn't show in the episode

[01:02:43] Early on I think before even the first drop they had a tight relationship

[01:02:48] bailey got into a fight with genean because genean was like no

[01:02:54] You know, we we have to go all women in the end. We can't take anthony

[01:03:00] And bailey was like we can we cut some women for anthony

[01:03:06] And um

[01:03:08] And so like but then things broke apart because of spicy

[01:03:12] Uh, but like they tried to hold onto it throughout the season

[01:03:16] And I think that like I think the thing that really works for bailey something that got her in a lot of trouble early on

[01:03:23] Is that she has trouble

[01:03:25] Not speaking up about

[01:03:28] How she feels

[01:03:30] And that again got her in a lot of trouble early on but

[01:03:33] There's if as long as she's able to taper that with gameplay

[01:03:38] It really works out for her because she will get into a conversation very like I can't believe this

[01:03:44] I don't believe you. I think you're lying to me just like saying all of the things that she wants to be saying and then

[01:03:51] Uh, and then we'll like start to feel like wait a minute

[01:03:56] I should probably not be doing this and then

[01:04:01] Start to be like, okay. Well, hold on you're right. Maybe, you know, uh, not your right necessarily but uh, she will be like

[01:04:08] Okay, now we've talked it through I understand your perspective more. Hopefully you understand my perspective more and uh,

[01:04:15] And then you know, we will uh, we will figure out a way forward from this. I'm glad we had this conversation

[01:04:21] um, and the end result of that is I think

[01:04:24] A conversation that makes you feel like

[01:04:27] there were issues

[01:04:29] but they were actually talked about in a dress

[01:04:32] And now we can move forward from them versus somebody who never brings up an issue to you at all, uh,

[01:04:39] Who's just like, no everything's fine. I trust you all the way

[01:04:45] Of course, I would never not trust you. I fully believe everything that you're saying

[01:04:50] I've never thought about targeting you in the past

[01:04:52] Uh, it's like if they've if they don't ever admit to anything then you don't know when they're lying

[01:04:58] um, and so Bailey

[01:05:00] feels so believable because she's so many times said to your face

[01:05:04] She doesn't believe you or that she was targeting you at one point. Uh, and so if she was willing to tell you before

[01:05:09] Why wouldn't she be willing to tell you now?

[01:05:13] Yeah

[01:05:15] I like Bailey. I think Bailey's gonna win this season. I would love that

[01:05:19] I would love that too.

[01:05:21] I think that's that's what it feels like the season is going

[01:05:25] It's it's fun to see like

[01:05:27] The sleeper pick show up, you know, I don't know

[01:05:31] Yeah, I mean someone we halfway to two-thirds of the way through the season. It's cool

[01:05:34] Someone who we we looked at the bios and I was like she seems very fun and is going to be very entertaining

[01:05:40] I don't see her making jury. You know, that was kind of the energy we were getting

[01:05:44] So does he's someone like that win the whole thing? What is I think perfect is great

[01:05:48] um

[01:05:49] And especially, you know, I have nothing but positive

[01:05:52] Things to think about Anthony and the his gameplay

[01:05:56] But I've always not loved the half and half or at this point a two-person return II that's not really my jam

[01:06:04] Um, but also he'd be my second uh for who I would want to win

[01:06:07] So and and for Taryn it doesn't matter because either I win the draft or I win the draft so

[01:06:14] He's leaving both

[01:06:16] Terrence got both. Terrence got both. Terrence been cooking with all right. You had you took the two wildcards, right? Yes

[01:06:24] Along with Bailey. Yeah, Bailey and tola

[01:06:26] Um, yeah for a while there was looking like I might get all the way

[01:06:30] Down to four but uh, that's what I was hoping for

[01:06:35] Lost tola and then and then spicy back to back so now it's two and two at the end

[01:06:39] Yeah, well

[01:06:41] Wait, so does melissa have to know

[01:06:43] Amon has one right? I think Amon has one. Melissa's one and melissa has Todd. Yeah

[01:06:50] Congratulations, are you winning the draft?

[01:06:54] There is a scenario it's the it's the scenario where uh, Todd wins the hoh

[01:07:00] And anthony and or lexus evict bailey

[01:07:03] And then Todd wins the final three hoh

[01:07:06] And I think takes lexus

[01:07:08] Um in which case one of them has to win who wins there

[01:07:11] Can we play that scenario real quick who wins there?

[01:07:15] I think

[01:07:17] Given the reaction in the jury

[01:07:19] I think it's Todd

[01:07:20] The tautinator you made it. I think especially because it will be veto veto veto

[01:07:27] hoh hoh

[01:07:28] Uh and people love their stupid comp runs

[01:07:33] And on top of that like I think people do like him as a person

[01:07:37] They just think he's not a good player

[01:07:38] But I think the comp wins would be enough for them to make up

[01:07:42] You know he stepped up his game when he needed to aka he was suited to the comp

[01:07:46] And they're kind of been anti lexus for most of the season

[01:07:49] So I think that they'll be like, no we want to give it to Todd

[01:07:52] Yeah

[01:07:54] Um, I do think by the way just to quickly correct. I think I mixed up uh, genean and bailey in that conversation

[01:07:59] Yes, um, but the point but the point is that uh, they both were talking about anthony as like their main guy

[01:08:05] Uh, whether it was taking him to final seven or final, you know five

[01:08:11] And then and then once genean was uh, was being taken out. It was like, okay

[01:08:15] I'm fine with genean leaving was still bringing anthony, uh until until it wasn't

[01:08:20] So I think that's what we have for you here. Uh, it really, you know, nothing has really changed from our perspective

[01:08:27] From what we can tell about the final four now

[01:08:31] The worst case scenario for anthony is lexus winning hoh. The worst case scenario for bailey is Todd winning hoh

[01:08:38] And then it just it all comes down to that two v two final four veto competition

[01:08:46] Which has historically been something that is

[01:08:50] relatively physical

[01:08:52] um with some light quiz elements

[01:08:56] uh, which I think

[01:08:58] Honestly probably balances out for the most part

[01:09:02] I think Todd is going to be

[01:09:04] By a huge margin the most physically capable player

[01:09:09] In the kinds of physical competitions they like to do because he's very good at the skill stuff and uh, he's like very physically

[01:09:17] Like he's got great balance. He's he seems to do well with that stuff. However, he's the weakest with days and like knowledge

[01:09:24] Have they been studying at all? I forget like are they gonna be doing competitions? Okay, they've been studying a lot

[01:09:29] uh

[01:09:30] Todd

[01:09:32] Got some things wrong. He was corrected

[01:09:35] He's not as quick on the draw as some other players. I think in a straight quiz comp

[01:09:39] He probably loses but adds some physical elements in dumb down the quiz questions

[01:09:44] And he definitely is in there. I think with a solid chance

[01:09:48] um

[01:09:50] anthony, you know

[01:09:52] If I think about the kinds of final four veto competitions they do

[01:09:56] Anthony is not suited for most of them. Uh, he's I think generally too big for them

[01:10:03] So a hamster wheel one and like setting it on a screw day. It could be the hamster way. It could be like, you know

[01:10:09] Oh, yeah, okay. It could be, you know

[01:10:13] Or even like a balancey kind of thing. We saw that anthony was not great at the

[01:10:18] You know what? He did come in second, uh, or seemingly he was close on the ball double eviction veto

[01:10:23] But he was not good at the ice cubes

[01:10:27] so

[01:10:28] but he was good at the

[01:10:30] Whatever the last part of that comp. So maybe he is good at like a table

[01:10:34] balance, but not good at like

[01:10:37] Something that requires a full body

[01:10:40] It could because those cubes are so teeny tiny

[01:10:43] Well, I think I think it was I talked about this last night

[01:10:45] But I think it was like the the foot on the thing having to steady it

[01:10:49] um, so uh

[01:10:51] So, yeah, we'll we'll see. Um, you know if I had to guess final four veto. I think bailey is the favorite

[01:10:58] um

[01:10:59] followed by maybe like pot and lexus tied and then anthony probably last but

[01:11:06] Who knows?

[01:11:07] Uh, I would also call bailey the favorite for the final four hoh which tends to be a straight quiz

[01:11:14] Um, but uh, but that could also go in in any direction

[01:11:19] Lexus probably second place not far behind

[01:11:22] um

[01:11:23] So we'll see lexus winning that hoh would be very bad for anthony. I think

[01:11:28] Very good chance anthony's out at a final four if lexus wins that final four hoh if she doesn't she's available to be evicted

[01:11:36] And then it's a matter of like did spicy do enough damage to anthony on her way out to get bailey and todd to take him out over lexus

[01:11:42] When I do think bailey prefers anthony in the final three

[01:11:45] prior to that at least

[01:11:47] So

[01:11:48] We will see it all comes down to uh to what we see we'll be getting drops

[01:11:52] I think tomorrow and friday friday is the last day for drops

[01:11:57] What I assume this means is that uh, you know normally we

[01:12:01] We get like irisa coming on the screen

[01:12:04] Saying it's time for the final four eviction. So usually we would know who won the final four veto friday a friday drop seems very early

[01:12:13] uh to

[01:12:15] To know the veto and like like if if the if the drop happens on friday

[01:12:19] Then we're seeing thursday at the earliest or the latest

[01:12:23] Which means that they would have had to already play the veto and that the eviction would happen thursday

[01:12:29] um

[01:12:30] And then it doesn't play out until the following tuesday

[01:12:34] Uh on the episode so there's a chance just prepare yourself that we don't even know who won the final four veto

[01:12:41] um

[01:12:42] Yeah, I'm not holding my breath

[01:12:44] They've not like they've they've given me no reason to hold my breath this season

[01:12:49] But we will be uh back on friday to talk through the last of what we see in the drop

[01:12:54] So stay tuned for that. Uh, and then again back next week for two the tuesday episode final four eviction and uh the wednesday

[01:13:01] episode

[01:13:02] The finale of big brother canada well, so stay tuned for that you can find me on twitch

[01:13:07] I'm talking through uh all of this stuff. I'm watching episodes. I'm playing games. It's a fun time

[01:13:12] You talked about the circle the third set of episodes very dramatic as well

[01:13:18] Circle's crushing survivors crushing. It's all good. Uh, check out the circle coverage. It's been very fun

[01:13:24] um, and uh, yeah, that's uh, that's mostly what we've got mary. What do you got going on?

[01:13:30] Not much, you know, I'm uh getting ready to go to bed. It's late. So

[01:13:36] Just about my life. Um, follow me on at frail mary everywhere if I ever decide to do anything else

[01:13:42] But yeah right now i'm just i'm just vibing. It's a good time

[01:13:46] All right, yeah

[01:13:48] Well, you can find me on twitch twitch.tv slash pooh. That's where I'm not podcasting as far as podcasting goes

[01:13:53] I'm just gonna list off the names because because it's been

[01:13:56] The list has been getting large recently

[01:13:58] You already mentioned the circle mass singer 90 day fiance milk manor

[01:14:05] boom

[01:14:07] The big four

[01:14:09] I thought there's gonna be more. Um, I will be in chicago you'll be in chicago pooh. Yeah

[01:14:14] Yes, yes. Yay. So that's something that's the fifth thing

[01:14:17] But you can find me on my youtube channel, which is rally realness with three s's or on instagram at shan fran fran

[01:14:24] All right. Well

[01:14:26] Thank you all so much for joining us here tonight

[01:14:29] We will see all of you

[01:14:31] Next time