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[00:02:03] Hello everyone and welcome to RHAP. I'm your host Aaron Armstrong and we are here tonight to talk about this week on Big Brother Canada 12.

[00:02:29] And what a week it is. We're down to the final five and there's actually there's a lot to talk about in terms of where things could go from here with me to talk about it all.

[00:02:39] Matt, how you doing Matt?

[00:02:41] I am so good. I mean we know how the state of Big Brother Canada is the state of how many people are watching Big Brother Canada.

[00:02:48] But for any of us that are still here sticking through this season and I say sticking through as if it's not been good. It has been good.

[00:02:53] We kind of have a very compelling end game on our hands that not you know, not many people in Big Brother Twitter are talking about because not many people are watching anymore.

[00:03:01] But again, for those of us here still enjoying the ride, it's going to be a fun finish.

[00:03:06] Yeah, it's weird watching Big Brother Canada this season because if last season was like.

[00:03:13] Like what does the show look like without feeds? And also it's like not a good season.

[00:03:20] This season is like what is like the best this show has to offer potentially close to it, but without feeds.

[00:03:28] And I think unfortunately for me, the answer is still kind of like better shows.

[00:03:34] But at least it's better than nothing. It's better than I don't know if it's better than nothing, but it's better than like what we certainly I think got last time when the competitions were an issue.

[00:03:47] Competitions are not an issue this season. It's been very spread out. I think that has been very good.

[00:03:51] I did complain about the visual components of the good television components of the double eviction competitions.

[00:03:58] But aside from that, the fact that we've had a lot of spread has been very good for the season, I think.

[00:04:05] And that's kind of the first thing to talk about tonight as we are talking post double eviction.

[00:04:12] We have an H.O.H. We have a plan for nominations and a plan for who the target is heading into Final Four.

[00:04:19] And I can tell you that Anthony.

[00:04:24] Finally has won another competition after all this time he's been throwing comps.

[00:04:28] I've been saying, what are you doing, Anthony? You should be winning some of these competitions.

[00:04:32] He finally won one and it's the worst competition you can win in big.

[00:04:35] Waiting for that part to come out.

[00:04:38] Final five H.O.H. Yes, yes.

[00:04:41] Of course, anybody that is a general regular big watch big brother watcher knows you get to the Final Four.

[00:04:48] You have two opportunities to save yourself.

[00:04:50] Anthony will go into the Final Four with only one opportunity to save himself in a world where he has been very protected, very like his social game has kept him so insulated with so many people throughout the season where he has not touched the block again.

[00:05:04] Throughout the season so far, but his legacy still is what his legacy is.

[00:05:09] And this is the most I've ever been worried for Anthony in his big brother career looking at the next obviously to however many rounds are left two rounds to get to the end.

[00:05:19] I will get into it.

[00:05:21] But anybody that is going to choose to sit next to Anthony would be a fool.

[00:05:26] I don't think those people are in the house.

[00:05:28] Maybe Lexus and one of them just walked out the door.

[00:05:30] The double eviction, of course, and told us.

[00:05:32] So, you know, winning his way there is one option.

[00:05:35] Otherwise, we're going to see a complete another another level of Anthony's gameplay that will involve convincing somebody that you can sit next to me and still win.

[00:05:44] Yeah.

[00:05:46] Yeah, I mean, famously the Final Five.

[00:05:48] H.O.H. It's it's a tough one to win.

[00:05:50] And I think that Anthony was in a spot where he didn't need to win it like he couldn't let it would have been great if Lexus won it.

[00:05:56] We couldn't let Todd or Bailey win this.

[00:05:59] And from what I can tell, it did come down to a tiebreaker between at least Anthony and a couple maybe a couple of Bailey.

[00:06:08] I think Bailey I think Bailey was involved.

[00:06:10] I'm not sure if anybody else was.

[00:06:12] And so like hard for him to successfully throw this to Lexus right is kind of the point we kind of didn't need to win.

[00:06:18] But the reason it's a bad H.O.H. to win, bad competition to win is because A, you can't compete in the Final Four H.O.H., which means you have to be vulnerable to the person that wins the Final Four veto no matter what.

[00:06:35] And that's really dangerous.

[00:06:37] The only way to guarantee your safety without winning the veto yourself is to be on the number four on the target basically for everyone because there's a there's a world where you're number two on the target list.

[00:06:54] But whoops Lexus won the H.O.H.

[00:06:57] She was number one.

[00:06:58] Now you're number one.

[00:07:00] You're number three on the target list.

[00:07:02] Okay.

[00:07:03] Lexus is number one on the target list and maybe you know maybe like spicy is number two on the target list.

[00:07:11] But Lexus wins the H.O.H. and spicy wins the veto.

[00:07:16] And let's say Todd still in the game.

[00:07:17] He's number four.

[00:07:18] Sorry Anthony, you're number three.

[00:07:20] You're still gone.

[00:07:22] It's really difficult to guarantee your safety in the Final Four without some kind of win.

[00:07:26] And you've eliminated your chances of getting that win.

[00:07:30] Having an ally win the Final Five H.O.H. is really, really good.

[00:07:34] To make it even worse to win the Final Five H.O.H.

[00:07:38] You could say okay yeah all of that's bad but at least you get to control who gets evicted right?

[00:07:45] No.

[00:07:46] Because the Final Five H.O.H. as you know Nikomas found back in Big Brother 5 has a little bit of a loophole.

[00:07:55] You have to leave two people off the block.

[00:07:58] If one of the people off the block wins the veto, they can use the veto and force the other person on the block.

[00:08:06] And also because they are then the person who won the veto and the person they pulled are now the only two votes.

[00:08:12] They also control the votes and can vote that person out.

[00:08:15] So in Anthony's case what that means is if he leaves let's say Spicey off the block and she wins the veto.

[00:08:23] She can use the veto on Bailey, force Lexus on the block and then both Spicey and Bailey can vote out Lexus.

[00:08:31] And Anthony can't do a thing about it.

[00:08:33] His H.O.H. will have been for absolutely nothing.

[00:08:36] And now he still can't compete in the Final Four H.O.H.

[00:08:39] Very, very bad worst case scenario winning that Final Five H.O.H. and losing the power.

[00:08:45] So those are all the downsides.

[00:08:48] Like you said it is not it doesn't it wouldn't have made sense for him to just continue the throwing and throw this one to Bailey.

[00:08:57] Bailey who will get into the way that she is going to react to ending up being told she may be going on the block.

[00:09:04] She can say all she wants how upset she is that Anthony is going to put her up.

[00:09:08] But she who would her nominations have been of all of the people left.

[00:09:12] She would have been having this exact same conversation.

[00:09:14] She can convince herself seemingly really well that maybe that's not the case and maybe she says to herself or says to Anthony oh no I would have put Todd up next to Lexus.

[00:09:22] I don't buy it.

[00:09:24] And either way Anthony being vulnerable at this spot is just going to be as dangerous as it was in as it's going to be in the next round.

[00:09:31] So you know this this game this season has been such a battle back and forth between these two veteran players between Anthony and Victoria of just chipping away at each other's numbers at every opportunity presented.

[00:09:44] And it's gone very consistently throughout since since what I guess after VVIC when is the first is like the last time that like a consensus kind of player went if you can call him that.

[00:09:55] And then you know it's one side than the other loses and back and forth some of those self inflicted wounds you know from the likes of Victoria.

[00:10:01] But we're still looking at a final five where there's a lot of cross connections between a lot of these players where you have you know some obvious nominations in Bailey and Todd for Anthony.

[00:10:12] But you still have a lot of intrigue because you have people like a Bailey who are like Anthony you're supposed to be my number one.

[00:10:17] Is that real? Is that not? Of course not really to you know from our perspective.

[00:10:21] But again the the opportunity or the possibilities of how this could all go based on the dynamics of the relationships that exist in this final five are very intriguing.

[00:10:30] Yeah and so the question then is what does Anthony plan to do with his final five HOH.

[00:10:40] And we you know there's a there's a few options obviously I you have to keep left no matter what that's that's the obvious.

[00:10:48] I mean from my perspective priority number one is making sure Alexis stays because again absolute worst case scenario if Alexis leaves on your HOH you can't compete in the final four HOH.

[00:11:00] And now it's like basically 3v1 in the next veto.

[00:11:04] So that's priority number one priority number two get out your preferred target right who is the preferred target well you could choose Todd Bailey or spicy.

[00:11:15] And I think there is merit to really any one of them theoretically.

[00:11:19] Todd is I think right now considered the goat somebody that anybody know everybody knows they will win next to Todd in the final two.

[00:11:27] That's dangerous because you might want to take him to the final two in addition to that he's probably like the most capable physical player left.

[00:11:36] He's been doing really well at these like weirdly physical competition.

[00:11:41] And so in especially in like the final four veto he's probably the most dangerous player potentially win that.

[00:11:49] So that's that's a reason to maybe target him Bailey right now is kind of sitting between both spicy and Todd they both might take her.

[00:12:01] She's sitting in a really good spot with the jury.

[00:12:04] She's very dangerous for that reason. There's a lot of you know a lot of reason to maybe want to take a shot at Bailey and then they're spicy.

[00:12:12] Who's very good at quiz competitions you have to be careful of her and any quiz comp maybe not quite as good at the physical comps but you know if she gets to like part three with the final three HOH she's probably winning.

[00:12:24] And she probably has the jury probably beats anyone.

[00:12:27] And that's very dangerous in addition to that she's like the best counter to Anthony's manipulation if spicy is gone.

[00:12:37] Is there some angle he can work I'm not sure once there's Bailey and Todd but you never completely know I guess.

[00:12:44] And so Anthony has decided.

[00:12:48] He wants to target spicy.

[00:12:51] And that's a risky play because it does leave Bailey and Todd in the game.

[00:12:58] But personally I don't hate the play to take out spicy alone. I think that that's it's fine I think again I think there's honestly merit to taking out any one of the three absolutely all as long as Lexus.

[00:13:11] If he can manage that if he can if he can manage to keep Lexus in the game absolutely.

[00:13:16] That is what needs to happen of course the veto is the factor there but you know I was going back and forth with a couple people on Twitter earlier just about like the pros and cons to all options.

[00:13:25] I mean you have Todd who is of probably anybody the least connected with Anthony so you would think that he then becomes the most likely to not want to take Anthony all the way.

[00:13:35] But I think if Anthony wants to have his best shot at the jury granted he probably still has a good shot with Lexus as well but I think Todd is just as you know just as good of an option for him to take to the end.

[00:13:47] I think that there's a pitch that he can easily make to Todd if he sees it if he can make it of there has been a women's alliance or a women's thing going on throughout the entire season.

[00:13:57] You and I are the last guys left if either one of us sits up against one of the women here there's a good chance that maybe they get the votes from the rest of the women if that's if that you know thing whatever was in the air then you know continues all the way to the end of the game here.

[00:14:09] So there's a possibility of doing that again he has his connection with Bailey but is that going to be endgame type deal and there's still a world where you know him and spicy are lying to us back and forth or at least spicy I think most recently.

[00:14:21] You know lying to us in the D.R. like this is still my final two no it's not stop it but they are at least you know again telling us that if there's any any ounce of truth to that then you know keeping her in the game could be a benefit but of course like you said spicy still one of the biggest if not the biggest jury threat remaining in the game so he certainly in this scenario I would say even in a world where like BB can seven he was up against.

[00:14:48] And then game with at least two other very viable winner threats of course Adam and Dane Dane being the one who obviously you know swept the jury and beat him but it still feels like this is harder to navigate than that at least that he knew he had a path to the end and he was going to make it to the end alongside the guy winning all the comps.

[00:15:06] Once they got Adam out it was over but here with all of the decisions it's like make one wrong move and it's over it could be I think I think you know.

[00:15:16] Trying to figure out Anthony's decision making process here you have to remember that in big brother Canada seven at the final five that was the turning point that was the decision that Anthony had to make he was prepared to take out Dane and then Dane made that compelling pitch to him.

[00:15:35] And he changed his mind or or maybe he always was going to who know.

[00:15:41] But he decided to keep Dane is ally that he knew would take him to the final two but that he couldn't beat in the end.

[00:15:49] Yeah, just had to keep Dane at the final five and then Dane won the final four HOH he won the final three HOH he was unavoidable from that point forward and unbeatable from that point forward and I have to imagine that Anthony remembers that he remembers that.

[00:16:04] And spicy V is Dane right now.

[00:16:08] Yes, if she won the final four HOH and final three HOH even if she did stay loyal to Anthony and brought him to the end he probably beats him at least that's what we are getting from the jury right now.

[00:16:18] And so like the odds of that happening are not that far off final four HOH could easily be some kind of quiz comp or something that spicy is perfectly capable of winning.

[00:16:30] She's one of three people competing if she survives and so she has a great chance to win it and then once again one of three people competing in the final three HOH if she wins either the final four HOH or veto and she's really good at those quiz comps.

[00:16:44] She basically hasn't lost one this season even when she's trying to and so do you want to take the risk of her just getting just getting those comps and you know that alone I think means that this is a viable decision to want her out this week if you can take the shot.

[00:17:03] However, I do take issue right now with how Anthony has decided to go about this.

[00:17:12] And I haven't really seen a ton of people talk about this people talking about like the decision to take out spicy that alone again I'm fine with I think there's viable options on either side I think as we've talked about plenty of reason to want to do that.

[00:17:23] My issue right now with what Anthony is doing is that he's kind of Dr. Willing it.

[00:17:31] Famously in Big Brother All Stars Dr. Will and Mike Boogie had operation double date Janelle and Erica at the final four and the two of them Mike and Will would go to Janelle and say Erica is our enemy we're trying to get Erica out if we can win this veto we're going to take Erica out and then both of them went to Erica and said hey it's time to take out Janelle if we win the veto we got to take out Janelle.

[00:17:58] And they had them convinced and they were laughing in the diarom these foolish women.

[00:18:03] They think both of them think that we're on their side but the inevitable conclusion of that was if either one wins the veto what do you think the other one is going to do when Janelle wins the veto what is Erica going to do just be like ah damn I guess I'm out or is she going to go to Janelle and say hey did you know that they were approaching me about wanting to take you out and then the whole thing falls right.

[00:18:27] Now that was an even easier situation to predict and it was much more likely that Janelle or Erica would win I think it's a worse mistake from Dr. Will to be clear but it's a similar concept here because Anthony has approached Bailey and now Todd about taking the shot at Spicy before the veto.

[00:18:48] The plan is for Bailey and Todd to go on the block Spicy to stay off the block and as long as Spicy doesn't win the veto she goes home this week.

[00:18:58] And that's a good plan because I do think Spicy is probably the least likely person to win this veto.

[00:19:04] Veto's tend to be a little more physical and those are like Spicy's weakest kinds of competitions.

[00:19:12] And so that's a good setup. The issue though is that Anthony has started going to work already on turning Bailey and Todd against Spicy and it's working and it's impressive that it's working because they're like oh my god Spicy has done some things.

[00:19:29] She did vote for Avery to stay what was up with that she threw that veto competition.

[00:19:33] Anthony's telling us a bunch of other stuff about what she's been doing and that's great all well and good.

[00:19:40] The problem is they don't need to think that yet because if they win the veto they're going to use it on themselves anyway.

[00:19:45] And if you or Alexis wins the veto you can use it on them anyway. They don't actually need to be on board with this plan yet.

[00:19:52] And the problem with them being on the plan of being on board with the plan now is that what happens if Spicy does win the veto?

[00:20:00] Because I would say there's still a chance you could convince her Todd or Bailey has to go please don't use the veto.

[00:20:06] I don't know how likely that is but there's I think theoretically could have been a chance.

[00:20:12] But as things stand as soon as Spicy wins that veto what incentive do Bailey and Todd have to keep their mouth shut about the plan to take out Spicy?

[00:20:21] Absolutely zero. They will go straight to Spicy and say hey guess what?

[00:20:26] Anthony dropped a bunch of info on you. Stuff we couldn't have known if he didn't do it if he didn't say it he was trying to get you out.

[00:20:34] And now Anthony has absolutely zero ground to stand on to convince Spicy to not use the veto.

[00:20:40] So she will use the veto.

[00:20:42] Lexis will go home and now he goes into the final four can't play the HOH and Spicy's now turned on.

[00:20:49] And this is all on top of the fact that Bailey and Victoria are ready to see Lexis go yesterday.

[00:20:56] So aside of you know just wanting to get back at Anthony for everything that you're saying here of you know the information that he dropped again they don't love Lexis they're ready to see her go.

[00:21:06] Absolutely I mean I didn't even think about it from that aspect.

[00:21:11] I have to also think about you know when I'm trying to evaluate Anthony's drop of information here the fact that Bailey is Bailey and the conversation style of one Bailey and Anthony are you know how do you calm Bailey down when she's getting so fired up besides saying you know it's not you.

[00:21:32] It's really it's not you.

[00:21:34] It's going to be something else because maybe if he didn't offer her that maybe she is then going to in that moment anyway go run around the house and blow things up for Anthony and spill things about Anthony that maybe I don't know if there's anything spill worthy at this point that you know he's told Bailey that he hasn't already told Spicy or Lexis.

[00:21:53] But you know there's a chance that a fired up Bailey could be a thorn in his side at this point but absolutely I mean neither one like I think this trio.

[00:22:01] I think this trio of Spicy Bailey and Todd are already going to do anything that they can to you know make it one more round together.

[00:22:09] If Spicy wins I don't think she needs that ammo to say I'm going to take Bailey down and make sure Lexis goes, but it's certainly not going to hurt to have that extra information fire her up and like you said when we go into a final four round where now she is firmly you know I don't have to even think about

[00:22:24] the alumni pack or you know me and him had a final two like that is out the window and any chance of her potentially still going with this route of let's do it.

[00:22:33] Let's do it because you know Victoria is a show woman at the end of the day as well besides you know wanting to win this game and if she could be you know go the flashy route and say oh look you let the two all stars get to the end and you know knowing that she still probably is going to beat Anthony in the end.

[00:22:47] Maybe it's something she does we've seen her make bad decisions throughout the season.

[00:22:51] But that definitely lessons once those two go spelling to her so yeah.

[00:22:56] Yeah and it's just it's and it's not the most likely scenario right the most likely scenario is anybody but Spicy wins and the plan is fine it works it's okay.

[00:23:09] But man what a worst case scenario that's such a nightmare scenario for Anthony and I feel like the alternative the thing that I think.

[00:23:21] Could have been done is why not just like sorry Bailey but you're going up I'm not going to do a lot to like trying you know make you feel good about this because you're not going to anyway.

[00:23:35] And in particular I think why not just be like yeah sorry Spicy staying off the block make it seem like you value Spicy more than her in that moment.

[00:23:48] Why not right because I think she'd get a little mad at Spicy along with getting mad at you.

[00:23:55] You'd be like hold on what the hell why is Spicy always the one that avoids why am I always the one that has to touch the block when when Spicy is the one doing the thing.

[00:24:06] Is the one doing all these things Anthony don't you know that Spicy has the votes don't you know that she can't she cast that sympathy vote for Avery and will now has Avery's vote like don't you don't you know this don't you want to go to the end with me.

[00:24:18] Get her thinking about that and then as soon as Spicy loses the veto you're like Bailey.

[00:24:25] Damn your arguments I'm really I've been thinking about what Spicy's done all season.

[00:24:31] No no no this is still Anthony we're not going he's not going to go that route and say oh it's all you.

[00:24:36] Well he doesn't have to do that right if you wanted to he could get as soon as she leaves as soon as she loses he could also go okay Bailey I'm sorry I couldn't tell you before.

[00:24:45] This has been my plan all along.

[00:24:47] Here's what happened with Spicy this is all the things that she's done I had to make sure that that she was super comfortable so I couldn't tell you ahead of time but now that she's lost the veto you know and it's bad it's even better.

[00:25:01] If Bailey hasn't won the veto herself right and saved herself yeah it's a little worse but like who cares.

[00:25:08] And what that does for you is it frees up the possibility for Spicy to not use the veto and it keeps Spicy on your side if she does end up winning and here's the here's part two of that plan.

[00:25:19] Have Lexis spend all her time with Spicy this week right may or may not work but why not have Lexis go to Spicy and be like hey looks like the two of us are making it to the final four right.

[00:25:31] Like Anthony wants Bailey or Todd gone obviously.

[00:25:36] Here's the thing Spicy maybe after a few days of talking to her maybe after like a few conversations whatever you know.

[00:25:44] Spicy how do you feel about Anthony in the final two because I'm really starting to get concerned that he can win.

[00:25:50] Spicy we're going to be in the end together we're going to have to decide whether we want to take Anthony do you think that's the right move.

[00:25:56] Spicy I think I would fare better against you than Anthony in the final two.

[00:26:02] Make Spicy feel like she has a viable path with Lexis right.

[00:26:08] Sounds like a great player it's just not Lexis.

[00:26:11] But Anthony, Anthony's done this before put the script in her head.

[00:26:14] I know but it's still she can perform.

[00:26:17] Look Lexis' motivation all the way down to the end here is still get revenge for Matthew.

[00:26:22] It's still get me and Anthony complete you know the mission here get us to the end and take out the people who were directly responsible for his downfall.

[00:26:31] I don't think she sees anything else going on here.

[00:26:33] I absolutely you know there's the road where Anthony should try to make this happen but Lexis' conversations with Spicy are just always so surface and then they're like yeah we're good we're good.

[00:26:44] Yeah I'm not putting you up and then even all the way down to like the stubble eviction conversation they have in the pantry where Lexis is like.

[00:26:48] I thought you said it wasn't going to be me and Spicy's like it wasn't but I don't really know what else to do.

[00:26:54] And then you know a couple hours later they're in the backyard and Lexis is like I get it.

[00:26:58] What is she gonna say?

[00:26:59] She knew she was going to keep Tola if that was you know if she was off the block.

[00:27:02] So the two of them are not you know the best connected for a conversation like that.

[00:27:07] If it was anybody else I would I would think that maybe that you know.

[00:27:10] Here's the thing I don't care try it anyway right.

[00:27:13] Like there's no harm in trying.

[00:27:15] And I think that any amount of resistance you can remove from Spicy or making that move because I know that Spicy is concerned about Todd.

[00:27:25] I know she's concerned about Bailey and Todd and so her issue is well Lexis is just an Anthony minion.

[00:27:32] If there's any amount of doubt that you can put in her mind that is maybe I actually have a shot with Lexis.

[00:27:38] Maybe I can afford to snipe out Todd right now.

[00:27:42] It to the final four with Lexis and then maybe I'm actually okay.

[00:27:48] Maybe if Anthony leaves it for with Lexis in the game I go to with Lexis and Bailey Lexis they both choose me.

[00:27:54] Maybe if Anthony maybe if I don't get out Anthony or Lexis in the final four like that worst case scenario.

[00:28:01] Maybe I lose Bailey in the final four and it's Lexis and Anthony maybe it's not that bad.

[00:28:05] Maybe there is a chance that Lexis and maybe that's even better for me because I can probably beat Lexis a lot more handily than I can probably beat her.

[00:28:11] Maybe Anthony.

[00:28:13] Here's my question for you though.

[00:28:15] Have you noticed at any point maybe not just in this season like or maybe ever but especially in the season Victoria planning as if she is planning steps and steps ahead because I've never seen it.

[00:28:28] I've never heard it. If that was the case I think that Kayla wouldn't have gone home when she did.

[00:28:32] She would have fought more for Avery to stay over Bailey who I mean I know that her and Bailey had a great connection as well and still do.

[00:28:39] But Avery was going to die for spicy V in this game and it just feels like every time that spicy survives around even coming into like seeing Anthony just went H.O.H.

[00:28:49] she goes off into one of the bedrooms she's like I'm making it all the way like we got this one more like she is so seemingly about just advancing the one more round and and making it to the next step of the game where I don't even know if she's thinking right now.

[00:29:00] Like if I you know I was the producer in the diary room and I said who do you want to go to final two with.

[00:29:05] I think she still says Anthony because she hasn't thought about it since day one when she said it was going to be Anthony.

[00:29:10] I think she's really just how do I get to get to the four get to three.

[00:29:14] I don't know.

[00:29:15] Yeah I don't think you're necessarily wrong.

[00:29:16] I don't think you're necessarily wrong.

[00:29:17] I just think that like in terms of again just like doing everything you can to mitigate worst case scenario I think these are things that should be happening and and we've also talked about things that maybe shouldn't be happening right now.

[00:29:35] Maybe should be they should be waiting on this because you know that worst case scenario is is very bad.

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[00:31:49] We talked a lot about the worst case scenario.

[00:31:51] If the worst case scenario does not happen for Anthony.

[00:31:55] Anthony.

[00:31:58] Spicy's gone.

[00:31:59] This week.

[00:32:00] Seemingly.

[00:32:01] Final five.

[00:32:03] It almost happened to final seven.

[00:32:05] Now.

[00:32:06] Before we get into like, you know, I don't know all this.

[00:32:09] Do you know just because we were just touching on the day and of it all.

[00:32:12] Is there a world where it happens again?

[00:32:15] Where spicy goes to Dougie again does you know the vet thing like we came into this game.

[00:32:22] We've been friends for all this time.

[00:32:24] You text me on my birthday.

[00:32:25] I text you like you look out for me.

[00:32:27] I look out for you like is there a world where this could say she could go in with that pitch of this means so much to me.

[00:32:34] You know, this means so much to both of us and I think you're going to beat me anyway in the end.

[00:32:38] So keep me. Does it work?

[00:32:41] Here's the thing.

[00:32:42] Anthony is an emotional guy like that's not a bad way, but like he feels deeply.

[00:32:47] I think that's part of why Dane got through to him.

[00:32:51] It's part of why, you know, he's in tears every time he loses an ally in the game.

[00:32:55] I absolutely think there's an emotional component here that could work.

[00:32:58] The problem is that he knows spicy has not been loyal all season.

[00:33:03] And so the emotional component, I think, you know, it could flare up a little bit, but I don't know if it will be able to latch.

[00:33:11] And then so then then it's just the strategic component.

[00:33:15] And I think there is a strategic argument because there's arguments I think for every player.

[00:33:19] Which is Bailey and Todd are going to take each other.

[00:33:23] You have a 50-50 shot in the next competition in the next round.

[00:33:27] And you can't play H.O.H. So if Lexus wins that H.O.H. now it's 50-50 that you leave at final four.

[00:33:33] Whereas if I'm in the game, I'm on your side still.

[00:33:36] It won't be 50-50.

[00:33:38] It'll be 75-25 in that veto because I will evict Bailey.

[00:33:43] I will evict Lexus.

[00:33:44] I will evict anybody over you.

[00:33:46] And that's a much more compelling argument if you can believe her.

[00:33:51] But it's still risky.

[00:33:53] But then you also have to contend with the fact that Anthony has been in that exact position before and made theoretically the wrong decision, which was to keep the person.

[00:34:03] And that may also be weighing on his mind.

[00:34:05] So I don't disagree.

[00:34:06] I think it's possible because I do think there's a compelling argument.

[00:34:10] But I think there are a few big barriers that need to be overcome in order for it to happen.

[00:34:14] Yeah, for sure.

[00:34:15] I mean, again, this group is the dynamics between these people have made this round complete extra intriguing.

[00:34:23] I almost wish that it was not Lexus in this final five and maybe like, I don't know, not in terms of like because I have anything against Lexus, but like, I don't know when Avery, somebody who just does slash did have more connections with some of these people.

[00:34:27] Like, you know, of course there was hot chocolate with Anthony and she was so close with spicy grew so close with Anthony.

[00:34:32] But like Lexus being the one piece of just there's a very big gap between her and some of these other players.

[00:34:39] But yeah, I mean, I don't think it's I don't think it's if spicy ends up on the block.

[00:34:44] It's necessarily like, you know, walk out the door the next day.

[00:34:47] You might as well just walk out the door and then you have to be able to do that.

[00:34:50] And I think that's the biggest barrier that we've got to deal with.

[00:34:52] I think that's probably the biggest barrier that we've got to deal with.

[00:34:54] Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's I don't think it's if spicy ends up on the block.

[00:34:58] It's necessarily like, you know, walk out the door the next day.

[00:35:01] You might as well.

[00:35:03] But it's obviously going to lean in that favor.

[00:35:05] Lean, lean not in her favor that she's probably the most likely to go home because the votes in that case.

[00:35:11] So if she's on the block, say Bailey pulls herself off.

[00:35:13] It's her versus Todd.

[00:35:15] Lexus is sending spicy home.

[00:35:18] I mean, is there a world where Bailey?

[00:35:21] Can be convinced by spicy, you know, take me.

[00:35:24] I mean, it will be Anthony's choice if spices on the block.

[00:35:28] Anthony decides because he can get Lexus to vote whichever way.

[00:35:32] Well, she she at least needs to know she also has the Bailey or Todd to then get the Anthony.

[00:35:38] Right. But what I mean is that if she has Anthony, she also has Lexus and therefore it would be a tie.

[00:35:43] Sure. Yeah, I guess I'm thinking in a world where possibly Anthony strays from whatever Lexus is going to end up doing or vice versa.

[00:35:49] But that's unlikely.

[00:35:51] Again, the Matthew pack is kind of real.

[00:35:53] So yeah, so yeah, I mean, I think it comes down to what Anthony wants as long as Lexus remains off the block.

[00:36:03] As long as that Lexus remains off the block, Anthony controls who goes home between the two people on the block.

[00:36:10] There I think there are ways that Todd or Bailey could screw this up if they let the plan leak ahead of time.

[00:36:16] And, you know, and then spicy still loses the veto.

[00:36:22] That could be enough. Right.

[00:36:24] And you could be like, well, screw you guys.

[00:36:28] Or even if they like once spices on the block, they could get too confident and they could be like they could be trying to win spices on the block.

[00:36:36] And they could be like they could be trying to win spices jury vote before she leaves and say too much to spicy and spice.

[00:36:43] Use that as ammunition against whichever one is still on the block.

[00:36:47] And I could change Anthony's mind as well, because right now Anthony has I think a bit of a misread on where Bailey stands.

[00:36:53] Bailey is more against him than he realizes.

[00:36:56] And if he comes to realize it, that may change what he ultimately wants.

[00:37:01] So I think there are a lot of different avenues out of this spot for spicy between a straight up just argument to, you know, leaking information that she gets to other people screwing up to winning the veto herself.

[00:37:16] Like there are a lot of outs here, but but she will need to play well this week.

[00:37:23] I think she could get Lexus. Yeah.

[00:37:26] She doesn't have room to screw up because I think.

[00:37:31] She's out of she's out of room. Yeah, I mean her game all season long has been just viewing out the BS to all these people in very large chunks of to try to go to people and, you know, convince them we got to do this.

[00:37:44] We got to take this person out. We got to split up Todd and Bailey. You can't you can't send me home.

[00:37:49] I'm going to say I'm going to Lexus. I'm going to take you all the way to the end and she can do that in a very even if it comes across.

[00:37:55] I've said this multiple times this season.

[00:37:57] It comes across to us watching who know it's fake as so fake and people they come out of the house sometimes and they're like, yeah, no, we know that was really fake told us, you know, in his exit interview being like I don't really like her silent game.

[00:38:08] It's just very sneaky, but it seems to be very effective with the people that she's communicating with in that moment where she just I think we might have talked about it last time.

[00:38:19] I don't know. It's like almost similar to Anthony of just like beating it into their heads of just this is what I want you to believe and I'm telling you so many times over and over and over again.

[00:38:29] And eventually maybe you just believe it's true. It's worked on how many people that she's worked with so far this season.

[00:38:34] I could see a world where it works on Lexus regardless of if it ends up working on Anthony because the case is very obvious as to you know why you need to split up Bailey and Todd.

[00:38:43] If one of them comes off the block and of course it's spicy up against them.

[00:38:47] You know, like you said they're always going to take each other going forward. I'm not going to take them. I'm working with hot chocolate till the end she at least has that to try to work with.

[00:38:56] Yeah, I think I think the issue is that like without I don't I think I don't think there's a world where Lexus flipped without Anthony and invite I think they're they're locked in together.

[00:39:05] And I think that Anthony will make call between the two of them.

[00:39:09] So I do think it has to be aimed at Anthony but I do think that there's still a chance for that to happen.

[00:39:17] Let's also talk about the biggest winner really of this entire situation, which is Bailey.

[00:39:26] Because in many ways.

[00:39:29] Yes, she's losing an ally.

[00:39:31] And if she were playing optimally, that would be a bad thing.

[00:39:37] But we kind of assume that Bailey would have taken spicy to the final two, or was at least thinking about it.

[00:39:45] And so because of that is almost the best case scenario for Bailey, where she's now going to theoretically potentially lose spicy.

[00:39:55] Not of her own will, but that prevents her from making the game losing mistake of taking spice final two. Now, I believe she will take pod to the final two over anyone else left in the game, which is a winning spot for sure, which means that.

[00:40:13] Basically, is a 5050 chance if spicy leaves this week, Bailey has a 5050 chance at her or Todd winning the final four veto.

[00:40:24] And then if she lands that coin flip, she's in the final three with Todd and one other person.

[00:40:31] Todd takes her. She wins. She takes Todd. She wins.

[00:40:36] That's a really good position. She is basically in the same position Anthony is in.

[00:40:42] Because it's the same. Anthony also has a coin flip at the final four. And if he wins the coin flip, he goes into the final three with Lexus.

[00:40:49] He takes Lexus and wins and Lexus takes him and wins.

[00:40:52] So all of a sudden, if this lands, Anthony and Bailey are coin flipping at the final four for who gets advantage at the final three.

[00:41:01] Well, so you're only talking about a world where spicy goes this week because if.

[00:41:09] If she loses. Well, so here's the I mean, to back it up to maybe even further in my mind, the way that I'm playing some of these scenarios out is that if this doesn't work and she ends up.

[00:41:20] Is there any scenario? She stays on the block. Is there no scenario? She stays on the block.

[00:41:24] If Todd won the veto.

[00:41:27] If I see would be up against Bailey.

[00:41:29] But yeah, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry. What I meant to say is, is there no scenario worse where Bailey and Todd stay on the block together?

[00:41:37] Because we're thinking that it's likely that spicy would use it and almost everybody else.

[00:41:41] I see one and decided not to use it or if Anthony or Lexus want to change their minds.

[00:41:46] Yeah, that's funny because again, I don't think I thought about that earlier today when I was thinking about if if the final nominations are Bailey and Todd, I think Bailey is the one that gets the boot there because of Lexus and Anthony.

[00:41:58] I think that they recognize that Todd is the weaker player between them and also breaks.

[00:42:03] She's the glue in that triangle right between spicy Bailey and Todd.

[00:42:08] I think that they know that they could probably pull in spicy or Todd if they get rid of Bailey in the middle of the two of them.

[00:42:14] But I'm thinking through that scenario of those two ending up on the block and then now considering the idea that maybe there's no scenario where they stay on the block together, if everybody stays true to the current plans.

[00:42:26] Yeah, I mean, I don't know exactly who Anthony the thing is that if Anthony and Lexus have the choice, they currently plan to take out spicy.

[00:42:35] They change their minds. I don't know whether it would be Todd or Bailey.

[00:42:39] I think the instinct would be Todd but given that they're changing their minds in the first place, it could land on Bailey easily because something would change their mind in the first place.

[00:42:48] I think it's truly Anthony Douglas's personal hell to be in a final three with all in.

[00:42:53] I think that's not how he knows how to play Big Brother.

[00:42:56] I don't think you would mind that.

[00:42:58] I think especially because the thing is that Anthony, I think genuinely believe that Bailey is with him.

[00:43:07] And so if he needs to lose Todd and go into the final four where he believes that Bailey takes him, Lexus takes him, spicy maybe takes him.

[00:43:18] I think that's better than a spot with Todd who I don't think he thinks takes him.

[00:43:23] Yeah, I mean, so my read was that I would be surprised if he genuinely believes that Bailey is with him just because their dynamic all season has been so, you know, what it has been of just completely BSing each other back and forth.

[00:43:39] I mean, specifically from Anthony of just the way that they get so loud with each other and whatnot.

[00:43:43] I would be surprised if deep down he's like, I have Bailey more than she's with Spicy but it seems to be what your read is there.

[00:43:54] But absolutely as far as Todd goes, I think it's even more of a long shot to think that he could get Todd in the way that he might have Bailey.

[00:44:03] So again, intriguing.

[00:44:05] It's a yeah.

[00:44:07] Yeah.

[00:44:08] So, yeah, so I think I mean really I think Bailey is the biggest winner.

[00:44:13] Her position has been skyrocketing over the last couple of weeks.

[00:44:16] And it's really again like if this is it for Spicy, if this is the end, obviously the big mistake to point to is Kayla.

[00:44:27] You could talk about Donna, you could talk about all kinds of moves.

[00:44:32] But I think maybe an under reported error, if this is the end, was actually saving Todd and evicting VVIC.

[00:44:42] Because at the time it was seen as a big blow to Anthony, a big win for Spicy.

[00:44:48] But VVIC wasn't really an Anthony.

[00:44:52] He was an Anthony and Spicy on.

[00:44:56] He had never been super down with Anthony.

[00:45:00] The only reason he really fell in with Anthony is because Spicy kind of led him down that.

[00:45:04] He was more with Spicy.

[00:45:06] And I think he would have betrayed either one of them, quite honestly, eventually.

[00:45:11] Whereas Todd, you know, Spicy was convinced that Todd was for the women, because that's what Bailey said.

[00:45:20] But the reality was that Todd was for Bailey.

[00:45:25] And kind of actively worked against some of Spicy's allies in a way that was more effective than VVIC ever could have.

[00:45:32] And essentially has allowed Bailey to keep her like how did Bailey supplant Spicy in the position of the game?

[00:45:43] Like Bailey is in the final five, maybe the final four with her pawn instead of Spicy being anywhere with her pawn.

[00:45:50] Spicy has no pawns left.

[00:45:51] And the funny part about that is that it's like so unintentional on Bailey's part.

[00:45:55] She has not recognized that this is a thing that she's done at all.

[00:46:00] Like she is happy to still have these people in the game.

[00:46:02] But Victoria is the one that is seemingly, you know, trying to maneuver through this game in a very intentional way.

[00:46:08] It's her second time around. She wants to not mess it up.

[00:46:10] But Bailey is doing everything she can to keep her two closest allies to her.

[00:46:15] And that, of course, has been Todd since Donna left.

[00:46:18] And she's gotten very close to Spicy in the way that even when Avery goes and Avery and her had this closeness, she's like, well, at least it's not Spicy.

[00:46:26] I still have Spicy. We're going to be all the way to the end of this game together.

[00:46:30] So again, I feel like it's been very unintentional that she's gotten into this very good spot.

[00:46:34] I don't even know if she's going to...

[00:46:36] Like I can't even imagine what her jury speech is going to be.

[00:46:39] I think it's going to be almost...

[00:46:42] And I say this with a lot of love because I'm a really big Bailey fan, but I feel like it's going to be a little on the Delulu side of just explaining how she navigated the game.

[00:46:52] I think or unless she takes the other route and just says, you know, I stuck by Todd and Spicy and that got me all the way to the end.

[00:47:00] We won comps. They won comps, blah, blah, blah.

[00:47:02] I stuck close to Anthony. I don't know.

[00:47:04] But it definitely feels like, again, unintentional.

[00:47:07] And if she ends up as the winner specifically sitting next to Todd, it has a lot to do with her general likeability, which I know that sounds strange because she's a bit of an erratic person, a bit of a character.

[00:47:24] But even Tola on his way out, you know, with the exit interviews being like Bailey's Bailey, you know, I like Bailey.

[00:47:29] Everybody likes her and Todd is just going through the season as somebody with this perception of just he's asked...

[00:47:36] The fact that he's asking so many questions is becoming his perception.

[00:47:39] I think Avery was the one that said that was like Todd doesn't know what he's doing.

[00:47:42] He just asks questions every round. What should I do?

[00:47:44] Should I use the veto? Should I do this? Should I do that?

[00:47:47] And it's very much taking away any agency that he has or any good will that people have towards him in his game.

[00:47:54] So that final two could be a complete blowout.

[00:47:57] Yeah, I mean, because it's just like I think Spicy spent so much time concerned about Anthony's minions that she never stopped to think about the fact that Bailey also had a minion that she that Spicy did a lot of damage to her own game in order to protect Bailey's minion.

[00:48:16] And now is in a final five scenario where like that's not it.

[00:48:20] Todd has given Todd has done absolutely nothing for Spicy, like all game.

[00:48:26] Like maybe not using the veto during the double, but that wasn't really for Spicy.

[00:48:32] Right. So and I think we should talk about Todd because I do think that double eviction.

[00:48:39] Seals his fate.

[00:48:41] I think he absolutely should have used the veto on Tola.

[00:48:47] And if Spicy goes wild and puts up Bailey, like then whatever right?

[00:48:55] Like where do you even go from there?

[00:48:58] But if you use the veto on Tola, you save Tola, you force Anthony on the block.

[00:49:02] Maybe Anthony leaves. He probably doesn't.

[00:49:07] Lexus leaves.

[00:49:09] Still fine.

[00:49:10] You just used the veto on Tola.

[00:49:12] You now have Tola.

[00:49:13] You've made a move.

[00:49:15] More importantly, you've made your own mark on the game.

[00:49:18] I think that by not using that veto, Todd solidified in the eyes of all of the jurors that he doesn't have agency, that he is just along for the ride.

[00:49:30] That's how they perceived him before.

[00:49:32] That's how they will continue to perceive him.

[00:49:34] If he uses the veto there against the will of both Anthony and Spicy, Anthony goes on the block.

[00:49:40] Spicy has to do a move she doesn't want to do.

[00:49:42] He now looks like he is a power player in this game because he didn't use the power.

[00:49:48] He took he had the power, but he didn't execute with it.

[00:49:51] I think I don't think he can use.

[00:49:53] Maybe he wins every comp from here on out.

[00:49:57] And that gives him a shot to win.

[00:49:59] But I really feel like there's a very good chance he lost any hope of winning the game in that double eviction.

[00:50:06] And now it's just kind of like what you know.

[00:50:10] Yeah, I can't disagree.

[00:50:12] I feel like it's very obvious that Todd's game as much as I really do like the guy, it's been a bit of a nothing burger.

[00:50:18] It's been, you know, it's just the style of game that he has, the way that he has conversations with people.

[00:50:26] It's like him and told I got so close on a personal level over the past what week, two, three weeks.

[00:50:31] And it didn't translate into any game at all.

[00:50:34] It didn't turn like they had the discussions leading up to the Kayla of it all.

[00:50:38] And they said, you know, we're going to work together to get Kayla out of the game.

[00:50:41] It happened. It worked. They got Kayla out.

[00:50:43] Well, they didn't. They got Kayla up on the block.

[00:50:45] Kayla goes out of the game.

[00:50:47] And after that, it's like, all right, see you later.

[00:50:49] You have fun with Anthony. Have fun with Bailey.

[00:50:51] Yeah. And like Todd's explanation to Tola for why he wasn't using the veto was awful.

[00:50:56] It was like, I'm going to be in so much trouble.

[00:51:00] They're gonna be so mad at me if I do that.

[00:51:02] I'll be out next.

[00:51:03] And it's just like that is this is final six.

[00:51:08] You know that double eviction like you're going you have now guaranteed final five.

[00:51:11] This is not the time to be playing scared anymore.

[00:51:14] This is the time especially where you're coming from, where people are saying you started playing the game two weeks ago.

[00:51:20] Like you need to like you are Chris Underwood right now.

[00:51:23] You need to be doing every single thing you can to make your mark on this game.

[00:51:27] And I think that that was just a huge error from their Canadian Romeo and Juliet where their families did not want them to be together.

[00:51:37] Anthony was not going to let Tola be with Todd and the girls were not going to let Todd be with Tola.

[00:51:43] And he said, I have to stick by my family. I can't be with you.

[00:51:46] And instead of it playing out how it does in Romeo and Juliet, he just let his Romeo or Juliet die on their own.

[00:51:54] Yeah. There it is.

[00:51:56] And then there's Lexus who is in a similar position, I think, but never like she hadn't didn't have an opportunity that she blew.

[00:52:06] She just hasn't had opportunities.

[00:52:07] She just hasn't won.

[00:52:09] And that's a really bad spot to be in where she needs wins in order to get some credibility.

[00:52:15] She just hasn't been able to win.

[00:52:18] I think I think winning comps is Lexus's only chance of winning this game.

[00:52:24] And it's probably too late for that to happen against anybody other than Todd at this point.

[00:52:30] I don't know that she or Todd plans to take the other to the end.

[00:52:33] So we talked about this on Wednesday, but it does seem like the two of them are drawing dead unless they're sitting next to each other.

[00:52:42] Chances of them sitting next to each other seem pretty low.

[00:52:44] However, this was a very good week for both of them.

[00:52:48] Spicy leaving is huge because if Todd or Lexus leave, then it's done.

[00:52:55] I think if Lexus gets evicted this week, if Spicy wins, uses the veto.

[00:53:01] I don't think Todd can win the game.

[00:53:03] And if for some reason, Anthony changes his mind and decides he wants Todd out this week instead of Spicy, I don't think Lexus can win the game anymore.

[00:53:12] They need Spicy or Bailey to leave this week in order to still have a chance.

[00:53:18] I don't think either of them see it that way, but I think it's true.

[00:53:21] And I think that they both massively benefit massively benefit from Spicy leaving this week.

[00:53:28] Do you remember, did Tola say that Lexus was playing the worst game or am I misremembering?

[00:53:33] I feel like he said that.

[00:53:34] She was definitely low on his list.

[00:53:39] Yeah, I mean, I just recall being shocked to hear that.

[00:53:43] So if I have it wrong, but just the fact that even one of the closest people to her in the house is not going into the jury with a very high estimation of your game.

[00:53:57] And the most plans to advocate for you in the jury is not a good sign.

[00:54:02] So I would definitely say, you know, we're on the right track of putting those two at the bottom of the rankings and the other three really just duking it out all the way to the end here.

[00:54:10] Yeah.

[00:54:12] So, yeah.

[00:54:14] So, it's not looking great.

[00:54:17] It's looking great.

[00:54:18] I do think there's a world where like, this is best case scenario for really both Todd or Lexus, which is that Spicy leaves this week, Lexus wins HOH next week, Todd or Bailey win the veto, evict Anthony, Lexus wins the final three HOH, and she has to take Todd and she maybe wins the game.

[00:54:41] Like that's, that's the path.

[00:54:43] It's not impossible.

[00:54:44] It's a feasible path.

[00:54:46] Yeah, but it is.

[00:54:48] It's kind of narrow and it still requires her to make the correct decision at the end.

[00:54:53] It's what much I'm not sure if she even knows.

[00:54:56] I don't know.

[00:54:57] Does she does she take Todd or is like, is there any world where they're like, oh, the guys are all going to vote for Todd that's already three votes one more.

[00:55:03] This is, this is the concern that I would have for Lexus in that spot, which is that she is still talking even in goodbye messages about, I still want to get two girls.

[00:55:15] And I think the biggest blocker and that the only reason she's not doing that is because of the mat thing.

[00:55:20] She knows like, she's not gonna let Spicy, she's not she wasn't gonna let Kayla she wasn't gonna let Avery, because they screwed over Matt.

[00:55:27] She did not.

[00:55:28] She was not happy about that.

[00:55:29] Bailey.

[00:55:31] They didn't have a little any loyalty to Matt, like there's no reason to have a vendetta against Bailey.

[00:55:35] So if Lexus is sitting there and she's choosing between Bailey or Todd, she might think I'll go to the end with the two women.

[00:55:44] Like I said, I wanted to.

[00:55:46] There's nothing really holding me back here.

[00:55:49] And you know that that might be a game ending mistake.

[00:55:53] Yeah, Bailey beats are there.

[00:55:55] I would say for sure.

[00:55:57] There's a lot of people, I think in that jury right now looking for a reason to vote for Lexus or Todd where reasons already exist for the two attorneys and they are a little bit more clear for Bailey.

[00:56:10] But yeah, if she decides to go with the all girls to the final two.

[00:56:16] Yeah, I don't think that's great for her.

[00:56:17] I think she could get.

[00:56:20] She might get well, she'll probably get told as I think that told it will still vote for his friend.

[00:56:24] I think Anthony will will Anthony's friends with the both of them.

[00:56:27] If Anthony is on the jury and doesn't vote for Bailey, I want footage of how the rest of their night goes together.

[00:56:35] I would like any alumni that are present for the after party to record every second of the two of them interacting.

[00:56:42] If Anthony does not vote for Bailey or vice versa, honestly.

[00:56:46] Yeah.

[00:56:47] Yeah, I mean, I think.

[00:56:50] I think that Anthony would vote Lexus.

[00:56:52] I think that he has enough loyalty there to her unless she like betrays him somehow, but I don't think she would.

[00:57:00] So yeah, I think he votes Lexus and if he has time in the jury, I think he probably pulls Ola in that direction as well.

[00:57:12] But you know who else?

[00:57:15] Spicy Avery and Todd are all Bailey votes locked.

[00:57:18] So if Kayla is not actually mad at the girls and gets back on the same page with them, then there's four votes right there.

[00:57:25] I think it's just so hard to get to get votes elsewhere.

[00:57:29] Lexus.

[00:57:30] Yeah, but I mean, the biggest story of all of this is the fact that we have these two returnees that came into the season in the way that they did.

[00:57:38] And day one, let's get the returnees out.

[00:57:41] Of course, we knew that wasn't going to happen.

[00:57:43] And now we're all the way down here.

[00:57:45] And like the most intriguing point to me has been following along the season of our Anthony and Spicy going to go after each other at any point.

[00:57:54] It's been thought about.

[00:57:56] It's been talked about between maybe them and other allies that they've had.

[00:58:00] And there was a point, like one point in the game where they had that I wouldn't call it a blow up.

[00:58:06] They had a bit of a tiff in the bathroom about it was, I think, during the Matthew week of like, you know, you weren't supposed to be taking out like people that are like, you know,

[00:58:13] Anthony's arguing that to Spicy.

[00:58:15] But now at the point where if Anthony takes this shot at Spicy, if that doesn't happen and one of them take the shot at the other during the final four, if one of them is still on the block post veto, I think that with everything we've seen so far this season,

[00:58:32] I think that that is literally the moment that will be remembered about the season for, you know, for years to come.

[00:58:38] It's not going to be anything we've seen so far.

[00:58:40] It'll be that moment that is going to go down as BBK12.

[00:58:45] Yeah, I mean, I think the only question left for this podcast at least is something that's been talked about is if Anthony does take the shot and Spicy leaves this week,

[00:58:55] does Spicy go into a jury house where she has a lot of influence?

[00:58:59] Is she anti Anthony for betraying her?

[00:59:04] You know, famously, Big Brother Canada's Nine, she does vote for Ty who did betray her.

[00:59:15] You know, that was the that was the oh we could couldn't we moment, right?

[00:59:20] She does vote for Ty.

[00:59:22] So, you know, but she didn't spend most of the season like undermining Ty at every given opportunity.

[00:59:29] She was actually a big fan of Ty for a lot of that season, whereas it does not seem like she's been a big Anthony fan.

[00:59:35] Like she's been dogging Anthony all game.

[00:59:38] And so like, you know, I don't know if that I don't know if precedent is enough to say we know where she will go with this.

[00:59:49] It's their relationship that they have, I think.

[00:59:51] They do genuinely seem to have had a very good friendship outside of the game.

[00:59:56] And I think that if the vote goes there, I'm not to say that she doesn't respect his game, but I think it is like almost 99 percent based on this is my real life friend.

[01:00:04] And I want to make sure that one of us wins.

[01:00:06] I can absolutely see the possibility of her being bitter.

[01:00:09] And there's also, you know, the other thing of, you know, all the women all season long wanting to get another women winner back on the board for BB Ken.

[01:00:17] It's been a while now.

[01:00:18] So there's that possibility as well.

[01:00:20] But I think she would have to feel really burned by Anthony, however it goes down, whether it's this round or the next one or even final three, if somehow that happens for her to place that vote.

[01:00:31] I think otherwise just my gut tells me because, you know, again, she's she's either lying or she's not in confessionals about how Anthony still her final two.

[01:00:39] My gut would still tell me right now that I think she would still vote for him.

[01:00:43] I mean, to my memory, the jury for Big Brother Canada 9 was all about who won the final comp.

[01:00:51] I believe that's what they were saying.

[01:00:53] Like they basically whoever won the final competition was going to get their vote.

[01:00:58] So, you know, Ty wins the final competition.

[01:01:01] I gets their votes theoretically if, you know, if somebody else had won the final competition, they would have gotten the vote.

[01:01:07] So like maybe maybe that maybe it's not again, maybe it's not indicative of where she would land.

[01:01:13] But, you know, I think that that was also a different situation where I think that jury wasn't super sold on who had played the best game like on who had been the most influential throughout the season because.

[01:01:27] There was a lot of, you know, back and forth about like who was doing the most.

[01:01:33] And Kiefer was in the jury who had kind of been like the mastermind of the season.

[01:01:38] And so whereas this season, if Anthony's still there and he just took out spicy, like it's going to be hard for anybody to feel like Anthony wasn't the guy.

[01:01:49] Right. Like all season long.

[01:01:51] And so that's a different dynamic as well.

[01:01:53] So, yeah, I think it's it's it's tough.

[01:01:55] It's tough to know.

[01:01:57] I want to know what the perception of Anthony is going to be in that jury house because I think again, if I'm remembering correctly, when you talk to Avery, she was saying you said, you know, rank who you are going to vote for from most to least likely.

[01:02:09] She had Anthony like somewhere in the middle, like maybe on the back end of it.

[01:02:12] Like I think she had she had spicy Bailey.

[01:02:18] I think Tola.

[01:02:19] She said totally.

[01:02:20] Yeah. So with that said, as Anthony being her fourth ranked person, she's most likely to vote for the question then came up.

[01:02:26] Who's playing the best game?

[01:02:28] She said Anthony.

[01:02:29] So he's playing the best game and running the game.

[01:02:32] And she still said fourth most likely to vote for now maybe exit interview the day after maybe she's in a daze and maybe she'll think on that more.

[01:02:40] And Dr. Willow, who's the Canadian version these days for the roundtable?

[01:02:44] I don't know.

[01:02:45] Maybe it'll be like Ty or someone.

[01:02:47] No time was just there.

[01:02:48] Either way, I think it was Anthony recently.

[01:02:50] I think you're right, actually.

[01:02:52] So maybe well, it can't be Dean.

[01:02:53] They can't go that close to home.

[01:02:54] But who's last season?

[01:02:56] Oh, God. Nobody from last season.

[01:02:59] Either way. Oh, Kevin was just there.

[01:03:00] Maybe we'll bring Kevin back.

[01:03:02] Jacobs, of course.

[01:03:03] So I don't know where I was going with that.

[01:03:08] Oh, the perception of Anthony.

[01:03:09] If if Avery and everybody else in there can, you know, get their like focus on who played the best game, then sure.

[01:03:17] Anthony is a top contender.

[01:03:18] But if the warm, fuzzy feelings towards Anthony are not there in the same way that maybe they weren't there towards the end of BB can seven when he didn't get a single jury vote, despite the fact that he is such a dominating force in a big brother season.

[01:03:30] You know, I would it would be insane.

[01:03:34] Absolutely insane in either the best or the worst way, depending on how you're rooting for Anthony or not.

[01:03:40] If he went full on Paul route and went to the end in final two again and lost, that would be insane.

[01:03:50] I think if spicy leaves, the only person he could lose to is Bailey.

[01:03:55] And then it's the question of does he get there with Bailey?

[01:04:01] What if I mean, a lot of the times, you know, these things happen in jury that we have no idea what if there's like a newbie revolution and say, you know, they say, well, these returnees played our game and they lost.

[01:04:10] And then played us all.

[01:04:11] So we want to vote for whoever is at the end of a newbie.

[01:04:14] And then all of a sudden, Lexis beats Anthony in the end.

[01:04:16] I mean, at that point, we're talking about like, what are we talking about?

[01:04:18] But like, I could see it.

[01:04:20] Yeah, I mean, there's no live feeds, but we haven't I haven't seen any evidence of that whatsoever existing in the house again.

[01:04:28] I think, you know, the time that that happened was the coaches.

[01:04:31] And I think the coaches angle really soured players because they were playing their own game for like four rounds.

[01:04:37] Yeah. And then they were at the final eight and all of a sudden, they were back to final 12.

[01:04:41] It was like, what? Yeah, it's like it's not going to happen if it's spicy in the end.

[01:04:45] She's going to get the vote.

[01:04:46] She's going to, you know, looking at the jury right now, there's two people that are, you know, still her BFFs despite the fact that she turned on one of them in Kayla.

[01:04:54] But if it's Anthony, I think the door could be open to maybe some kind of that.

[01:04:59] I think man.

[01:05:04] OK, so there's a couple of scenarios.

[01:05:06] I think the only way Bailey and Anthony make it to the final two together is if somehow in a final three of Bailey and Todd, Anthony chooses to take Bailey to the end over Todd, which would be a bad decision.

[01:05:18] He would never do that.

[01:05:21] But if it happened, maybe I don't think it's impossible because again, like Anthony is, I think, a fairly loyal guy.

[01:05:29] And I think if he feels like he can beat either one of them, he would prefer to take Bailey over Todd, who he's been more loyal to.

[01:05:35] But still, I mean, come on.

[01:05:38] And then the other way theoretically is if Bailey made a similar mistake where she chose to take Anthony over Lexis in a final three of her, Anthony and Lexis, which I also think is not super likely, but also not necessarily impossible.

[01:05:56] So I guess what I'm saying is it's not a very likely final two scenario if if if spicy leaves.

[01:06:04] So I don't know if spicy leaves.

[01:06:07] I don't think that Anthony needs to be too concerned about jury votes unless it's really bitter.

[01:06:12] But yeah, I mean, there's still so many possibilities.

[01:06:16] And if spicy wins that veto, then everything goes up.

[01:06:19] Yeah.

[01:06:22] We got a little far away.

[01:06:24] You might have talked more about this on Wednesday.

[01:06:28] Was there any world where Tola could have saved himself?

[01:06:32] Is it just getting Todd to use the veto on him in that double eviction round?

[01:06:37] Yeah, I think so.

[01:06:38] And I don't think he had time to get like if he had more time to talk to Todd, I think there's maybe a chance.

[01:06:45] But yeah, it's just.

[01:06:48] I don't think there's anything Tola could have done in that spot.

[01:06:52] It's interesting the way that I can't if you can't tell, I just watched the exit interviews right before we came on.

[01:06:59] But he said in his that he was looking for Anthony to give him answers as to why he ended up voting for him.

[01:07:07] Yeah, I mean, so yeah, I said, is there anything that somebody could do to change your vote?

[01:07:15] And basically what he said is like for Anthony, he needs to explain why he voted for me, even though he said he would never do that.

[01:07:20] Yeah, we saw that in the episode like he might have been in the drop actually.

[01:07:24] Anthony has a private conversation with Tola where he says no matter what happens, I'm not voting you out.

[01:07:29] Yep.

[01:07:30] And and then he does vote Tola out, which is the opposite of what spicy did.

[01:07:35] And I still I still think we're seeing both examples, right?

[01:07:40] We're seeing the sympathy vote where it didn't and the not vote.

[01:07:44] And I still think despite what Tola said that Anthony made makes the better call here because yes, Tola said that.

[01:07:51] But I really feel like all Anthony needs to do is say, listen, man, I knew I knew the votes weren't there and until it will be like.

[01:08:00] OK, like he might be annoyed.

[01:08:03] It's not enough to make Tola then vote for like Lexis or baby or somebody over and right.

[01:08:11] Whereas I pointed this out on Wednesday.

[01:08:14] I was like, I don't like spicy's move there.

[01:08:17] It has really, really been coming back on her in these in these drops.

[01:08:22] Bailey was not happy and it's now being used as the primary piece of evidence to flip Bailey and Todd against spicy.

[01:08:31] Like you see the kind of jury management she's doing.

[01:08:33] It was a great example of everything that spicy has been doing all season, which is like, as Anthony says, calls it like playing the victim, playing like like, oh man.

[01:08:43] Oh, I wish I could have saved you, but I couldn't.

[01:08:46] And so the fact that she had just done it right there when she really didn't need to every always voting spice, it really was such an unforced error.

[01:08:54] Yeah, she had been in, you know, from what we saw in the drops talking to both specifically Bailey, I would say, in like the days before being like, look, I'm not going to do it.

[01:09:02] If it makes you uncomfortable, like I just really want to do it because they've reached a big fan of the game and she's played such a strong game.

[01:09:07] And I don't want to have her leaving here feeling whatever.

[01:09:11] But Bailey was very clearly throughout every one of those conversations not thrilled with the idea.

[01:09:16] And given that Bailey is going to be the one that stays in the house if spicy was a little bit more aware of that kind of vibe that was being very clearly put out there or maybe just cared more about what Bailey was saying than how she felt towards Avery.

[01:09:31] I don't know. Then she would have not done that vote. But yeah, it's definitely being used.

[01:09:35] I mean, Bailey on the on the plus side for her is just is also aware of what's what Anthony's trying to do in breaking up her and spicy.

[01:09:43] And it seems like so far it has not worked.

[01:09:46] I mean, she might have been a little bit upset hearing some of the things that she heard when they had their H.O.H. chat.

[01:09:50] But she does go to spicy a couple times that we see being like, look, we know what Anthony is going to do.

[01:09:57] It's not going to work. I'm not going to say anything about you.

[01:09:59] You don't say anything about me. And we just have to trust each other.

[01:10:02] Yeah, you know, I will say this.

[01:10:04] I think Bailey's playing this week very well so far from what we've seen.

[01:10:08] She says that to spicy before her conversation with Anthony.

[01:10:13] She has the conversation with Anthony where he drops like, hey, you know, that spicy voted against you for jury votes.

[01:10:21] You know that she's been saying, like, he dropped like, hey, spicy was telling me up until like two weeks ago that you were willing to target me.

[01:10:27] And I didn't believe it because I knew we had a relationship.

[01:10:30] But it's true. Like, that's what spicy was doing.

[01:10:32] And it's what Bailey was doing, too.

[01:10:35] And and Bailey comes out of that conversation, talks to Todd and says.

[01:10:42] I didn't say anything about you.

[01:10:44] Like she's the point that she wants to make sure Todd understands is we are not throwing each other under the bus here.

[01:10:52] There's another option. It's spicy.

[01:10:55] And you know what? She did vote against me.

[01:10:58] Yeah. And she threw that veto.

[01:11:01] And if spicy needs to go this week, he's not touching Lexus.

[01:11:04] Spicy needs to go this week and spicy needs to go this week.

[01:11:07] And it's us to Todd. Don't break.

[01:11:09] Don't throw me under the bus because we're on the block together.

[01:11:13] Spicy is the one. And Todd says, OK, that's how I'll campaign then.

[01:11:17] And Todd goes into that room and Todd is eating up everything that that Anthony's, you know, feeding him about spicy.

[01:11:23] And so they are both in this like anti-spicy mode right now, which which Anthony could have maybe used to convince spicy to not use the veto if she ends up winning.

[01:11:34] Except for the fact that he is exposed to his own position as well.

[01:11:38] For anybody who has not checked out the drops and relies on our HP, of course, to give you all the info.

[01:11:45] That's what that's what this podcast is here for.

[01:11:48] I would like you to know what Bailey's reaction to Anthony's conversation was when he was informing her without saying it just yet that she was going to be the one going on the block.

[01:11:59] He didn't have to say anything. The conversation was very clearly shifting in that direction.

[01:12:03] Bailey picked up on it very quickly that she was going to be nominated and she genuinely didn't think that she was going to be the one that went on the block.

[01:12:11] So her as soon as she starts getting this vibe from Anthony.

[01:12:15] No, no, I'm not going to hear me out.

[01:12:19] Hear me out. Hear me out. Hear me out. Right? No, no, no, no, I'm not going to hear you out.

[01:12:25] No, I know what you're going to say. You're going to put me on the block.

[01:12:28] You said you would never do this. It makes absolutely no sense. Why would you put me up?

[01:12:31] Lexus is right there. I'm not going on the block. And then she kind of like, you know, it goes down a little bit because Anthony does this thing of like, are we going to have a conversation?

[01:12:39] Are you going to uncross your arms so we can have a conversation?

[01:12:41] He basically has to pretend that he's not putting her on the block so that he can have the conversation.

[01:12:45] Yes, so they have a conversation.

[01:12:47] And then by the time that they get finished with it, we get right back to the same spot of Anthony.

[01:12:52] I'm not going on the block. I'm like Bailey, you're not the HOH. She's putting you on the block.

[01:12:58] It's really it's a great, great tactic to tell the HOH I am not going on the block and make him think, OK, Bailey's not going on the block for half a second.

[01:13:08] But it's not working. It's not.

[01:13:09] I mean, it's that boldness that's got her as far as it has so far.

[01:13:13] So all right. Well, that is what we have for you then today.

[01:13:17] Of course, the big, big thing is what happens with this veto.

[01:13:22] We will not know until the drops that theoretically will happen on Monday, at which point we will see whether or not spicy won that veto.

[01:13:30] If she has won that veto, it's lights out.

[01:13:33] I think for Anthony, if she has not won that veto, I think it's lights out for spicy.

[01:13:38] So big, big results here on Tuesday or on Monday.

[01:13:45] And then we'll be back on Wednesday to talk through everything that happened.

[01:13:49] Remember when we used to find out who won the veto like the night of the veto?

[01:13:52] Remember those days? Yeah.

[01:13:55] Just just to think back on the good times for half a second.

[01:14:00] Yeah. Well, you can find me over on Twitch.

[01:14:03] I'm hanging out and playing social games, social strategy games and watching these shows so you can find me over there.

[01:14:08] It's a good time to check out the circle coverage that we've got going on.

[01:14:12] And yeah, we'll have lots of fun. Matt, where can people find you?

[01:14:16] On Twitter at Matt Ligori and check out the free agents podcast where Brian Scali and I are covering all seasons of The Challenge.

[01:14:22] Currently, The Challenge All Stars 4.

[01:14:25] The Challenge Season 40 is filming, which will be a big season, a huge cast of 40 people.

[01:14:31] And we've already done some previews of that mostly on our bonus feed, but also lots more coming up with that.

[01:14:38] And that's that if I'm not back for any more BB Can 12, I really have had a lot of fun with this season.

[01:14:44] I am not somebody who generally dislikes returning mixed seasons with newbies as much as the average person does.

[01:14:52] I don't mind watching the dynamics and it's very often returnees that I want to see have success.

[01:14:59] So like even with me not being like the biggest, the number one spicy fan in the world, I've still enjoyed seeing her play more of a game than she was able to the first time.

[01:15:08] And that's just kind of again where I'm coming at watching this. So I've had fun. It's been fun.

[01:15:12] I think we're in for a very fun final five, four, three and two. It's going to be good.

[01:15:17] So, yeah, thanks for having me back on Twitter at Matt LaGaurie. That's it.

[01:15:22] All right. Well, thank you all so much for joining us here tonight and we'll see all of you next time.

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