Big Brother Canada is back for season 12! Today, Taran Armstrong and Mary Kwiatkowski recap the week 8 DOUBLE eviction of Big Brother Canada 12.[00:00:00] Hello everyone and welcome to RHAP.
[00:00:20] We are here tonight to talk through the double eviction here on Big Brother Canada 12.
[00:00:26] I'm your host Taran Armstrong and with me tonight to talk it through Mary.
[00:00:31] I do, Mary.
[00:00:32] I'm doing great.
[00:00:33] Do you want to do you want to have a chat in the backseat of the car?
[00:00:37] Because we haven't we haven't done that for a while.
[00:00:39] Yeah.
[00:00:40] Hold on.
[00:00:41] What would be what would be the backseat of the car?
[00:00:43] Would that be like like nope?
[00:00:47] Not that.
[00:00:48] Yeah.
[00:00:49] Is this this is good.
[00:00:51] This is like the backseat of the car.
[00:00:52] That was the backseat.
[00:00:53] The first one you did was like an amazing race style.
[00:00:56] One person in the back.
[00:00:58] Yeah.
[00:00:59] That's pretty good.
[00:01:00] You know just how creepy this I logo is in the background until you did that.
[00:01:08] Well Mary, someone is always watching.
[00:01:12] Someone is.
[00:01:13] Yeah.
[00:01:14] One song.
[00:01:15] Not us but not anyone in the audience.
[00:01:17] How's it going?
[00:01:18] Look, you know what?
[00:01:19] This was exciting double eviction.
[00:01:22] I forgot until earlier this morning that it was double eviction and I was kind of like
[00:01:26] re-energized.
[00:01:29] And then I remembered the double eviction just means all comps.
[00:01:35] All comps and man.
[00:01:41] I think there were like two moments of really interesting communication.
[00:01:45] I won't say interesting strategy, but I'll say interesting talks because just from
[00:01:52] outside perspective, it seems so obvious when when Victoria is lying.
[00:01:59] I don't know how everyone else in the house doesn't see it.
[00:02:03] Yeah, you know, I mean, I think they do at this point.
[00:02:10] There's just nothing they can do.
[00:02:13] Yes. So big double eviction and we saw that man, they spent half of this episode
[00:02:21] like exactly half of this episode on Avery's eviction, even though like it was such a foregone
[00:02:27] conclusion.
[00:02:28] I was beside myself as we went from scene to scene of Avery campaign because, A, I already
[00:02:37] watched this on the dailies.
[00:02:38] And when I say I watched this on the dailies, I mean, I skimmed through it on the dailies
[00:02:42] because even though I watch all of them for the first time, like one of the first
[00:02:48] times all season long, I was just like, there are way too many Avery campaigning
[00:02:52] conversations in these drops.
[00:02:53] And I know they're completely pointless.
[00:02:55] I'm just going to skim through some of these.
[00:02:58] And then they included like all of them in the episode.
[00:03:00] I was like, this is what you give us on a double eviction night.
[00:03:05] How long did it take in the drops for Avery to realize that the tides were not
[00:03:10] in her favor?
[00:03:11] I mean, I don't think she ever fully got there.
[00:03:15] There was like a conversation she had with Anthony where she was like, you're
[00:03:20] voting for me to stay right?
[00:03:22] He was like, yep.
[00:03:25] But I mean, I don't know what all is going to do.
[00:03:27] And then for days, she was like, well, Anthony told me yes.
[00:03:31] So I think I'm good, right?
[00:03:35] Like, I think it's fine.
[00:03:36] Like, man, even the way he just instantly answered me, I was like, man,
[00:03:39] that made me feel good.
[00:03:40] Uh,
[00:03:43] I, I just can't get over the fact that we had to see every single one of Avery's
[00:03:49] nicknames for everyone.
[00:03:51] Like, I'm sure she's not the only one who does this.
[00:03:54] But within the car conversation with Spicy, she called her three different
[00:03:59] iterations of Spicy V.
[00:04:01] She called her Spicey, Spice and Spicer.
[00:04:04] And then with, I can't remember the one she called Anthony.
[00:04:08] It wasn't just Dougie.
[00:04:09] It was like Dougalicious or something.
[00:04:12] And then, uh, Toley Canole got that one as well.
[00:04:15] It was like the way she entered every single one.
[00:04:18] I think Lexis was the only person she didn't like pop into the conversation
[00:04:22] being like, Hey, Lexi, Bexie.
[00:04:24] Like there wasn't any of that, but I didn't notice that she was doing this
[00:04:29] all season.
[00:04:31] Yeah.
[00:04:32] I mean, it's definitely that in the baby talk, I think is the, uh, the
[00:04:35] big thing that people are maybe a little bit frustrated with.
[00:04:40] But, uh, but yeah, I don't know.
[00:04:42] I feel like I guess my hot take of the night is that, um, despite the fact
[00:04:48] that Big Brother producers seem to love campaigning, uh, like, because I get it.
[00:04:54] Like, it's like, OK, well, this is the formula.
[00:04:57] It's H-O-H nominations, veto, veto ceremony, campaigning time.
[00:05:04] And then in man, will will they trash you if you don't campaign?
[00:05:08] If you don't give them their campaigns, Arisa will be there.
[00:05:11] She'll be like, why didn't you campaign?
[00:05:14] Why I didn't see any campaigning.
[00:05:16] Uh, they love it.
[00:05:17] They love their campaigning.
[00:05:19] I think that campaigning is one of the most boring things the show can do.
[00:05:27] This can show campaigning like 95% of the time is super boring,
[00:05:33] super pointless, goes nowhere.
[00:05:35] It's just an obligatory, like here are some logical reasons that I have come
[00:05:40] up within my head to maybe convince you and individual to change your vote.
[00:05:44] And then that person will be like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
[00:05:47] OK, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
[00:05:48] And then they'll be like, Hey, did you talk to this person?
[00:05:51] They'll be like, yeah, I did too.
[00:05:52] And then they, and that's a good scenario.
[00:05:54] That if they even talk about it at all, but it's pointless.
[00:05:58] It doesn't go anywhere.
[00:05:59] The vote is already decided almost every time.
[00:06:02] We don't need campaigning in the episode.
[00:06:05] OK. Now bear with me, let's workshop this for a second, because I've just
[00:06:09] come up with something.
[00:06:11] This might be nothing.
[00:06:12] It might be bad, which is I'm trying to think of a way to keep campaigning,
[00:06:19] to make campaigning interesting, make there be a potential interesting
[00:06:24] outcome that can come from campaigning and force everyone to be playing
[00:06:29] the game at all times.
[00:06:30] So here's my pitch.
[00:06:32] If you are on the block, you have an out to get off the block before eviction.
[00:06:39] This is after veto.
[00:06:40] If you can convince everyone in the house, except for one person,
[00:06:45] to agree with you to put that one person on the block.
[00:06:49] So like let's say, for example, that Avery is like somehow convinces
[00:06:53] everyone to put up Todd or whoever, although it can't be whoever won
[00:06:57] the veto.
[00:06:57] So it can't be the HOH, can't be who won the veto.
[00:07:00] But otherwise or whoever was saved by the veto.
[00:07:03] But otherwise, pick someone else and everyone else has to universally agree,
[00:07:07] possibly even including the other person who's on the block.
[00:07:10] This way there is a potential saving outcome that is not just people
[00:07:15] not voting for you, but an active thing that could happen and forces
[00:07:18] everyone in the game to continue playing through eviction because
[00:07:23] you know at any point you could potentially get put on the block.
[00:07:25] Maybe this is not a thing you want to do every week,
[00:07:27] but maybe like one random week kind of in the same way you would do a double eviction.
[00:07:31] It's like an interesting twist.
[00:07:33] Like again, this probably needs workshopping, but I feel like...
[00:07:35] I think there's something there.
[00:07:37] Yeah, I mean...
[00:07:37] ...where you have another out, but it's a social strategic out
[00:07:42] as opposed to a comp out.
[00:07:44] I think yeah, I think there's something there.
[00:07:46] I think that like the idea of I'm always trying to think like
[00:07:50] how would a majority game this and like if there's like one outcast
[00:07:54] who was saved by the HOH and like maybe the HOH would need to agree to it as well
[00:07:58] in order for it to happen.
[00:07:59] But like...
[00:08:01] But either way, I think there's something to this idea where it's like
[00:08:05] you know, whether it's having somebody put on the block as a replacement
[00:08:09] or like taking you off the block or even maybe even like
[00:08:13] locking in votes or something like if you can get everyone
[00:08:15] to individually agree ahead of time, then they can't change their minds
[00:08:20] anymore, they're locked in.
[00:08:21] So like it's like, OK, it has to be a one on one conversation.
[00:08:26] And if you get them to agree like officially, like are you willing
[00:08:30] to commit your vote to me?
[00:08:32] Yes, if you get the petition.
[00:08:33] If you get the petition.
[00:08:34] Yes. And then if you manage to get every single person to agree,
[00:08:41] then that's it.
[00:08:43] And so if they're just lying to save face, then they might
[00:08:47] accidentally vote for you to stay by doing so, which means that now
[00:08:51] you have people trying to coordinate like, well, I want to be able to say yes.
[00:08:54] I don't want to. Right.
[00:08:55] I want to sort of like you can't get away with just the sympathy vote.
[00:09:01] You can't be the one person to do that and you can't get away with the
[00:09:04] Oh, well, we'll all say yes.
[00:09:06] But you know, if the votes aren't there, the votes aren't there
[00:09:08] because if you get all on the paper, I got them all.
[00:09:11] We all said yes and you're sold.
[00:09:13] It forces people to have to say no to you, which I kind of like
[00:09:17] prevents that big brother 25 like running around.
[00:09:21] Thing they love to do.
[00:09:24] I think it's I think it's something.
[00:09:25] Yes, I agree with with Kendall's camera in the in the chat.
[00:09:28] Call it the Hail Mary. I think that's great.
[00:09:32] Anyway, I guess my point was it's just it's just frustrating to me,
[00:09:36] especially on a double eviction night that we spent so much time on
[00:09:40] fruitless campaigning and we eventually though did get to the votes.
[00:09:48] And this I thought was interesting because there's four votes
[00:09:52] and three of those votes were locked in against Avery.
[00:09:57] But Spicy decided to cast a sympathy vote for Avery.
[00:10:04] I did not agree with this play strategically
[00:10:09] because I felt like.
[00:10:13] Spicy casting this vote.
[00:10:15] First of all, she's supposed to be pro Bailey, right?
[00:10:19] Like that's what she's portraying to Bailey is like, I want you here
[00:10:21] more than I want Avery here.
[00:10:23] Right. She's supposed to be acting to Bailey as though Bailey is her number one.
[00:10:28] And we know that's not really true, but it's what she's trying to pretend to Bailey.
[00:10:32] So her not voting for her being the only person to not vote for Bailey to stay
[00:10:37] is kind of weird to begin with.
[00:10:40] But on top of that, even if you say, well, OK, I was I knew you were going to stay.
[00:10:44] Don't worry.
[00:10:46] I was just giving a sympathy vote, even if she buys that and is OK with that.
[00:10:50] You're still like pointing a neon sign
[00:10:54] at your face saying, hey, look at me.
[00:10:57] I'm doing jury management.
[00:10:59] I'm a big threat to win in the end.
[00:11:02] I don't care about the safety of my allies as long as it means
[00:11:05] that I have more likely to get a jury vote.
[00:11:08] And.
[00:11:09] And my biggest point is that I don't think she needed to do it to do that.
[00:11:13] Avery's voting for her regardless.
[00:11:15] So like this is there's only downsides as far as I'm concerned,
[00:11:20] especially in this scenario, there could be like if it was reversed
[00:11:23] and Bailey was the one leaving, I could see why Bailey on the jury
[00:11:27] might want that sympathy vote in order to vote for Victoria.
[00:11:32] Avery's already voting for Victoria.
[00:11:34] It doesn't matter here.
[00:11:35] And if every if it's unanimous, then like
[00:11:39] she's going to have to vote for someone to win who voted her out.
[00:11:42] So it might as well be you who's been working with her the whole time.
[00:11:46] Like it's yeah, they always it wasn't a great move.
[00:11:49] I don't think it's going to be a game ending move.
[00:11:51] But I think a lot of times on all of these shows, people forget
[00:11:55] when it comes to the like sympathy vote kind of thing.
[00:11:58] You're voting out a person who is going to remain in the game.
[00:12:01] And maybe your thought is, OK, well, I have time to talk to them.
[00:12:04] And, you know, I can smooth things over with Bailey.
[00:12:07] Maybe. But, you know, people can forgive, but they don't forget
[00:12:10] a lot of times when you vote them out and they're still in the game with you.
[00:12:14] I think sympathy votes as a jury play almost never a good idea,
[00:12:19] unless there's like a very specific scenario where it's like
[00:12:23] I will vote for the person that gives me my or if you give me a sympathy vote,
[00:12:26] I promise you I will vote for you in the jury secretly.
[00:12:30] Like maybe. But like I think for the most part,
[00:12:33] nobody is going to cast their vote from the jury based on who gave them
[00:12:37] a sympathy vote. If they give you a vote after you give them a
[00:12:41] sympathy vote, they were probably going to vote for you anyway.
[00:12:43] All it really does is advertise to everybody that you are actively
[00:12:47] campaigning for jury votes and that you might have that jury vote.
[00:12:51] Pre-jury. Maybe a different story.
[00:12:54] Dan Geesling famously came up with a very creative way
[00:12:57] of casting a sympathy vote in order to gain traction in the house.
[00:13:01] Like, hey, he's so he's so loyal.
[00:13:03] He went against the whole house, right?
[00:13:05] But that doesn't play once you're in the jury and it comes off as a shameless
[00:13:10] boy to get votes.
[00:13:12] So didn't love it there.
[00:13:14] I felt like this was like just again, just there's no upside to this move.
[00:13:18] Only downside, even if the downside doesn't happen,
[00:13:21] it's there's still there was still no point in making it.
[00:13:25] But we did see Avery Leave, the best player
[00:13:28] in Big Brother is now gone.
[00:13:32] And she came out to Arissa.
[00:13:38] And this was very funny to me.
[00:13:41] I don't know.
[00:13:41] I'm pretty sure this was on the podcast
[00:13:44] on Friday that we talked about this.
[00:13:46] I'm pretty sure it was because I was talking about Melissa
[00:13:49] and she was like, man, Taryn, I really want you to ask Avery some questions.
[00:13:53] And I said, you know, the question I would love to ask
[00:13:56] is you said one of the basic rules of Big Brother is you don't
[00:14:01] turn in your allies and yet you betrayed two allies on your H O A trains.
[00:14:08] What do you think about that, Avery?
[00:14:09] And I was like, I don't know if they'll let me ask that question.
[00:14:14] Word for word.
[00:14:15] Larissa asked the question.
[00:14:16] I was like, yes, let's go.
[00:14:19] Well, now you can think of how to rephrase it
[00:14:22] because the answer Avery gave was just like, oh, yeah, I love Matt.
[00:14:26] And I was worried about Kayla turning on me.
[00:14:28] Does not answer the question.
[00:14:30] How did you skirt around your rule here?
[00:14:32] This is what's currently circling through my brain.
[00:14:36] I'll let you in on the thought process here behind some of these questions.
[00:14:40] I'm currently thinking, should I try
[00:14:44] to ask a question that is something along the lines of
[00:14:48] Orissa asked you about betraying your allies
[00:14:51] when during your H O A trains, have you given any more thought
[00:14:55] to that question?
[00:14:58] Because genuinely, I think some people, they get asked
[00:15:01] to ask the question.
[00:15:02] They don't really know how to respond in the moment.
[00:15:03] But I imagine she's been thinking about it, right?
[00:15:06] So maybe she has different thoughts on it.
[00:15:07] I don't know.
[00:15:09] Yeah. Yeah. Or, you know,
[00:15:11] Orissa asked you about turning on your allies.
[00:15:13] Do you think that factored at all into your ouster immediately after that?
[00:15:19] I mean, oh, gosh.
[00:15:22] How do you recognize?
[00:15:23] Reconcile that with the people who are not your allies,
[00:15:26] who you decided to keep in the game.
[00:15:31] You know, like not too long ago,
[00:15:33] we were looking at the Victoria side of things and thinking, oh, my gosh,
[00:15:37] she's got all the numbers pretty much.
[00:15:39] And she's been she's on the side
[00:15:41] with the people who keep consistently winning both H O H's and Vito's.
[00:15:46] How can this go wrong?
[00:15:49] By encouraging Avery to just hand power over.
[00:15:56] It's funny.
[00:15:57] I think I think the season starts to make a little more sense.
[00:16:00] If you look at it.
[00:16:03] As a power struggle between Anthony and Bailey,
[00:16:10] instead of Anthony and Spicey, it's a power struggle
[00:16:13] between Anthony and Bailey for.
[00:16:17] Spicy because Spicey is in control.
[00:16:21] She's holding the reins, right?
[00:16:23] But like what she does with those reins
[00:16:26] is very much determined by who has the most influence on her for the most
[00:16:30] in that in that moment.
[00:16:32] And for much of the season, that's that person has been Bailey
[00:16:35] who has been directing and we talked about this,
[00:16:37] that like Bailey has pushed this reality onto many of the women
[00:16:41] being like, this is what we need to do.
[00:16:43] This is what we need to do.
[00:16:44] And it's what was best for Bailey's game,
[00:16:45] but it wasn't necessarily what was best for their game.
[00:16:47] But they kind of fell into that trap and did a lot of things
[00:16:51] for Bailey and Todd of all people because of Bailey.
[00:16:55] But then Anthony would occasionally
[00:16:57] manage to take those reins and get people like Dennis and Donna
[00:17:02] and and and Kayla out against what Bailey was trying to push.
[00:17:07] And so it's just been this back and forth between Anthony
[00:17:09] and Bailey for like who can wield the weapon that is spicy V in this game.
[00:17:16] Which is also really interesting when you think about that
[00:17:19] and you look at the way that Bailey has communicated her goals
[00:17:23] and plans throughout the game and the way that Anthony has.
[00:17:26] They both have been.
[00:17:29] Sitting in their alliances and communicating with spicy V.
[00:17:35] But when you watch like confessionals
[00:17:37] or or camera talks with Anthony and Bailey, it's very much.
[00:17:42] This person is against me.
[00:17:44] I need to get them out.
[00:17:45] This is not working for me in my game.
[00:17:47] I need to get them get them out.
[00:17:49] That's the way that they see the game and have been playing.
[00:17:52] The way that spicy V has been playing it has been a lot more.
[00:17:56] Oh, OK. Yeah, let's have fun.
[00:17:59] Let's mix some things up or oh, this person is telling me
[00:18:02] that this is you know, you know, Anthony's telling me this
[00:18:05] or oh, I want to I want to cause conflict between these people.
[00:18:09] It's not so much about spicy V trying to figure out the best way
[00:18:12] to get her to the end because she's had so many different goals.
[00:18:17] OK, I want to get this alliance to the end.
[00:18:18] I want the girls to get to the end.
[00:18:19] I want to actually work with Anthony.
[00:18:21] She's moving around and thinking different things
[00:18:23] and playing with the field that's in front of her.
[00:18:26] Whereas Bailey and Anthony have been much more straightforward
[00:18:28] in their goal through the game.
[00:18:31] So that's I wouldn't have thought of that until you mentioned it.
[00:18:35] But now that you mentioned it, it is it is really interesting
[00:18:39] in retrospect to see that because if you had said that week one or two or three,
[00:18:43] I think that Bailey did not appear to be in a place
[00:18:47] of having any kind of direction over the game and control over the game.
[00:18:51] But it's sort of become that way based on the chaotic
[00:18:57] in fighting that spicy V has started within her many alliances.
[00:19:03] Which and a lot of that came from her desire to protect Bailey
[00:19:07] and by extension, Todd in places where maybe she shouldn't have because.
[00:19:12] Especially Todd is like not that valuable
[00:19:15] to her and not as controlled by her as she I think would have hoped
[00:19:20] given what Bailey was trying to sell her.
[00:19:22] Yeah. Yeah.
[00:19:24] It's also interesting when you look at the fact that spicy V had
[00:19:29] multiple overlapping groups and alliances wanting to work with her.
[00:19:34] But prioritizing Bailey.
[00:19:37] Who from the onset was really only in the girls alliance
[00:19:42] and then the final three that she had made at the beginning,
[00:19:45] but was not in an overlapping alliance with Anthony.
[00:19:50] It's it's interesting to see how Bailey has kind of carved through the game.
[00:19:57] As opposed, you know, in opposition to me realize how difficult the path it was for her.
[00:20:04] You know, like she didn't even see many of the obstacles she plowed through.
[00:20:08] Yeah, it's very interesting.
[00:20:10] And in Anthony in some ways was the same.
[00:20:13] He might have had a little more insight into seeing some of the obstacles
[00:20:16] like Anthony set himself up more on a side separate from spicy V's people.
[00:20:22] And then just kind of hoped he'd be protected and hope that spices desire
[00:20:26] to play the middle would keep.
[00:20:27] I mean, I think chocolate was he was supposed to be in it.
[00:20:32] But then spicy kind of drew lines based on a lot of advice by Bailey.
[00:20:37] Right. And I'm not trying to downplay what Anthony has done.
[00:20:40] I'm thinking more of like the just the structure that he set up
[00:20:44] was a lot more there's going to be difficulty with this
[00:20:49] because of throwing competitions and letting the power not come to his alliance.
[00:20:56] But it's it's actually amazing how many of his people
[00:21:00] he was able to keep throughout the game considering not having power.
[00:21:05] And I mean, some of that has to do with his influence over spicy V,
[00:21:09] but also just a spicy's indecision with what group she wants to go with at any given time.
[00:21:15] And now and now we're in a position as well where it's like
[00:21:19] if this is how we decide to look at the season as like Anthony versus
[00:21:23] Bailey for control over spicy, what's really interesting to me
[00:21:27] is that I think both of them probably lose to spicy
[00:21:32] if they go to the end with her, which isn't that surprising
[00:21:36] because the thing is that like a person that has been wielding power all season,
[00:21:41] regardless of how influenced they've been by other people
[00:21:44] will often be seen as the person running the game.
[00:21:47] And the thing is that spicy has had the most power consistently throughout the game.
[00:21:52] There's no denying that she helped carve the jury in the first place
[00:21:55] in the image that was better for her over over Anthony.
[00:22:01] Certainly probably better over over Bailey.
[00:22:05] And so they now need to probably get rid of her before they get to the end.
[00:22:12] And I think I think Anthony is a lot more likely to do that.
[00:22:16] But I think that, you know, Bailey might be a little more likely to beat spicy in the final two.
[00:22:22] But, you know, that's all very difficult to ascertain right now.
[00:22:26] But but I think it's it's an interesting sort of thing here because with Avery gone,
[00:22:32] we head into the double eviction and the big HOH.
[00:22:38] Spicy seems to be trying to throw it.
[00:22:42] Very poorly throwing it if she is.
[00:22:45] Well, I mean, I don't think you guess one, two, three, four on purpose
[00:22:51] without thinking that it's somewhat throwing it,
[00:22:53] although she also like was so close to the right answer
[00:22:58] that she clearly was doing some math.
[00:23:02] I mean, I think the way that you go about this,
[00:23:04] unless you're really good at math where you think you could just add all of the numbers up.
[00:23:08] I think clearly this strategy here is just you look at a seven, you think 10.
[00:23:12] Or if you want to round down, you think five, you just round everything
[00:23:16] down to the nearest 10, add those up as best you can and then throw in a few extra.
[00:23:22] But I would be so annoyed doing this competition.
[00:23:26] I think Bailey was based on the way she was looking of just the amount
[00:23:30] of talking that Victoria was doing during the competition.
[00:23:35] Like, I know you're excited, but why are you saying hi to everyone?
[00:23:38] Why are you just screaming for so long?
[00:23:43] I like I the number of shots of Bailey just standing there
[00:23:47] with her hands over her ears trying to count as funny to me.
[00:23:53] I guess I have another hot take for the night, which is that.
[00:23:59] I think this double eviction, H O H competition was.
[00:24:05] Potentially the worst double eviction, H O H competition or television I've ever seen.
[00:24:12] It was bad. Yeah.
[00:24:15] I got really excited when they mentioned a marathon
[00:24:17] and then I remembered it was the double eviction.
[00:24:18] So whatever they would do would be the exact opposite of a marathon.
[00:24:22] Yeah, just like and again, I mean this like for television.
[00:24:27] I will continue to say that I'm happy with the the fairness of the competition.
[00:24:32] Anybody could have won this, but like.
[00:24:36] You know, when I say that fair competitions can be good TV,
[00:24:41] this is not what I'm talking about.
[00:24:44] In the point of bringing back like previous contestants
[00:24:47] is that we can like see them and spend some time with them
[00:24:50] and hear them talk, not just see a little random clips of them strutting around
[00:24:54] like do this on a non double eviction H O H night.
[00:24:59] Also, like just to circle back to the whole marathon thing,
[00:25:02] you don't have two bibs and they certainly don't have different numbers
[00:25:06] if for some reason you did like and a marathon does not last three minutes.
[00:25:11] Like stop, you can't just call it a marathon.
[00:25:12] A marathon is not a type of race.
[00:25:14] It's a specific distance.
[00:25:15] Oh. Hey, listen, I I call Wednesday nights, Marathon Wednesdays.
[00:25:21] Now, watching.
[00:25:22] Survival, you're watching 26.2 miles of of of a listen.
[00:25:27] Watching reality TV and then talking about it afterwards is hard work.
[00:25:33] OK, just as hard as running in there.
[00:25:36] Right. Yeah.
[00:25:38] It's fine. I'm going to I'm just going to continue to gate keep marathons.
[00:25:43] It was just like I
[00:25:45] I was initially excited to see the all these people.
[00:25:48] I was like, oh, this one.
[00:25:50] And then it took no time at all for me to just be like
[00:25:54] and you probably see it if you watch the stream of me watching this episode
[00:25:57] where I'm like, I go from like, oh, these people to.
[00:26:05] What?
[00:26:06] Am I just watching people look at things like like what is like because that's
[00:26:10] and to be fair, that's a lot of competitions,
[00:26:13] like watching people look at things sometimes.
[00:26:15] But I swear we saw the same exact shot of like spicy looking this way,
[00:26:20] Bailey looking this way.
[00:26:23] And and and just like what am I watching?
[00:26:26] It was three minutes of that three minutes of.
[00:26:30] Waiting, I was just waiting.
[00:26:31] All I was doing was waiting for them to then put a number down.
[00:26:36] And I didn't even know what the correct answer was.
[00:26:38] So I was just watching them put random numbers down.
[00:26:42] And then finally,
[00:26:44] Orissa reads the correct answer and I go, oh, that one.
[00:26:50] Here's my hot take is all.
[00:26:56] Live or eviction, double eviction competitions, both H O H and Vito
[00:27:02] should be filmed and shown to us in a top down camera
[00:27:07] that we can see everything at the exact same time
[00:27:09] because at the very least, then you could have a better picture of what's happening.
[00:27:14] I mean, this definitely applies to the veto competition later
[00:27:17] and like every double eviction veto in the history of Big Brother.
[00:27:22] The worst thing you can do is have me not understand
[00:27:28] who is winning because I'm only seeing one person at a time
[00:27:31] and it's being cut back and forth.
[00:27:32] I need to see everything at once either.
[00:27:34] Now we're talking about that head on.
[00:27:36] Well, yes. Now we're talking about the veto competition.
[00:27:39] But like also not good television.
[00:27:41] No, it looked like a fun competition.
[00:27:42] I actually liked the competition, but it was not good television.
[00:27:45] But like, I mean, you know, we've seen it with the ball pit competition.
[00:27:50] We've seen it with everything like show me a straight on or a top down
[00:27:53] view where I can see everyone at the exact same time
[00:27:56] because when it comes to a competition,
[00:28:00] I don't need fancy editing of like close ups of certain people
[00:28:04] and cuts back and forth.
[00:28:05] That doesn't actually make for a better TV show at any point.
[00:28:09] I'm watching the competition.
[00:28:10] Imagine watching like, OK, I don't know, like a football game.
[00:28:14] I don't think of a game like a football game,
[00:28:17] but they're just zoomed in really close on like one person at a time
[00:28:20] who doesn't even have the ball.
[00:28:21] Like that's what it feels like a lot of time.
[00:28:23] It's like, I don't know where the ball is.
[00:28:25] I don't know who's winning or where we are on the field.
[00:28:29] Yes, I completely agree.
[00:28:31] I think there's a reason why double eviction
[00:28:34] competitions tend to be the same things
[00:28:37] because quiz competitions are perfect for this.
[00:28:41] Like they've been this way for a reason.
[00:28:44] They are equitable, they're fair and they're exciting to watch
[00:28:50] because you can see everything that's happening.
[00:28:52] You can see the answers to each question and it's a series of questions.
[00:28:56] And so either people are getting eliminated
[00:28:58] and you're like, oh, this person just got eliminated
[00:29:00] or they're getting points and you're like, oh, this person's in the lead
[00:29:03] and you're getting to watch and it's in its tense.
[00:29:05] And then you and then finally the result happens
[00:29:07] and you're like, whoa, I can't believe it as opposed to waiting, waiting,
[00:29:12] waiting, waiting. Oh, there's the numbers.
[00:29:16] OK, spicy one.
[00:29:19] So like.
[00:29:21] There was a way, I think even that you could have made this work
[00:29:24] where you bring in former houseguests and they draw around the backyard.
[00:29:28] Well, everyone is in their booth and
[00:29:31] Arissa asks questions or maybe Tola asks questions,
[00:29:35] whoever you want to ask the question. Sure.
[00:29:37] About the numbers like what is the sum of all of the men's numbers?
[00:29:45] Yeah, answer your question. Whoever gets it right gets a point.
[00:29:49] The next question, what is, you know, if you divide
[00:29:53] the season nine contestants by the season four contestants,
[00:29:58] what number do you get?
[00:30:00] You know, like.
[00:30:02] We still wouldn't be able to do the math.
[00:30:04] We still wouldn't really be able to.
[00:30:05] But you I mean, if you really wanted to get fancy,
[00:30:07] you could just show us.
[00:30:08] You could just show us on the screen.
[00:30:10] That would be even more fun.
[00:30:11] But at the very least we would see point by point
[00:30:14] what would like we would be able to follow something.
[00:30:17] And it's the same thing with Vito comp,
[00:30:19] like the clown shoe comp.
[00:30:21] The reason why that can that still kind of works
[00:30:24] is that it's one by one.
[00:30:26] You're watching them accumulate a score.
[00:30:29] And so it's like, OK, you know, big Jeff,
[00:30:33] he's got one clown shoe left.
[00:30:36] You know, he's he's he's he's almost there.
[00:30:40] Oh, oh, oh.
[00:30:40] But now this other person just got their final clown shoe
[00:30:44] and you can follow what's happening.
[00:30:46] The Vito competition in this one, I was just like,
[00:30:48] well, it looks like Todd has,
[00:30:52] I think less than what Anthony had.
[00:30:54] But I can't. I haven't seen Anthony in like 20 seconds,
[00:30:57] so I can't be sure.
[00:30:59] And it's just like, what are we doing?
[00:31:02] Yeah. And like even with the marathon
[00:31:05] bib number competition, the way it was, at the very least,
[00:31:08] if you have a set way, like a set spacing
[00:31:11] between the contestants, they walk out, they spin,
[00:31:14] they walk backwards for a few seconds, at least you
[00:31:16] theoretically could play along and you're trying to see
[00:31:18] if you can do speed math in the same way
[00:31:20] that the other people can.
[00:31:21] And you get a second to look at each person.
[00:31:23] But instead, the contestants are chit chatting to each other.
[00:31:26] One of them sits down with their back.
[00:31:28] It's like you should have to be in a position
[00:31:30] where people could see your front and back at all times.
[00:31:33] It's whatever.
[00:31:35] But yeah. And I mean, like the number of times
[00:31:36] we've seen these Vito double eviction episode
[00:31:39] or competitions happen where we are watching someone zoomed
[00:31:43] in on someone and the buzzer goes off somewhere else
[00:31:46] and someone else has won and we didn't even see it.
[00:31:49] Yeah. And honestly, like US has a little bit more
[00:31:52] of an excuse because that is actually live
[00:31:54] instead of live to date.
[00:31:56] But still, they should design their competitions
[00:31:58] in such a way that they don't need to be in a close up
[00:32:01] because they can just default to the wide shot most of the time.
[00:32:06] But yeah, I mean, it's just the way things are.
[00:32:08] It just feels like it's a glorified
[00:32:12] just like random name generator.
[00:32:15] Like you could just you could just like that first age
[00:32:18] competition, especially especially you could have just
[00:32:22] popped a name on the screen and it would have had the exact same
[00:32:25] like emotional tense atmosphere of whose name is going to pop up
[00:32:30] on the screen. We wouldn't have had to waste three minutes.
[00:32:32] In fact, quite frankly, if it were, say, a wheel,
[00:32:38] if you spun a wheel with names on it, that would be more tense,
[00:32:42] I think, than what we saw because you'd see the names be like,
[00:32:46] they're spicy. Oh, my God, is it going to go?
[00:32:48] Is it going to go to Tola, though?
[00:32:49] Or is it going to go to Todd?
[00:32:51] Oh, it's not spicy. Oh, my God.
[00:32:53] You know what I mean?
[00:32:53] Like that would have been more exciting than what we saw, I think.
[00:32:57] People would start complaining that the wheel was rigged.
[00:33:03] Oh, boy.
[00:33:05] Yeah. And I know that survivor has more cameras and more time to edit.
[00:33:08] But like at least when they do competitions, there's plenty of times
[00:33:11] where they will show a wide shot of everyone at the same time.
[00:33:16] Yeah. Oh, well.
[00:33:20] Anyway. That's that's that one.
[00:33:25] So Victoria accidentally wins. Yeah.
[00:33:27] Victoria wins. And.
[00:33:30] This is again, Bailey is so good at this.
[00:33:34] Like Bailey is is, you know, if I hadn't done what she did in season five,
[00:33:40] I'd say Bailey might be the queen of double evictions or like fast things
[00:33:46] just because she's so good at getting in there quickly.
[00:33:51] And not letting go either.
[00:33:54] She got in there immediately to spicy.
[00:33:57] It has to be Tola and Lexis.
[00:34:00] What about Todd? What do you mean?
[00:34:01] What about Todd? You can't put Todd on the block.
[00:34:04] He will go home. We can't lose Todd right now.
[00:34:07] It has to be Tola.
[00:34:09] OK, but what? What about?
[00:34:11] Nope. It has to be Tola.
[00:34:13] It has to be Lexis.
[00:34:14] Oh, man. But Lexis is going to be so mad.
[00:34:16] It has to be that way.
[00:34:18] Then she goes and she talks to Lexis and Anthony.
[00:34:20] And you know who pops into that room within 30 seconds?
[00:34:23] Bailey and in front of the both of them,
[00:34:27] unafraid says it has to be Lexis.
[00:34:30] They will vote out Todd.
[00:34:32] And that's what you need to do in these situations.
[00:34:36] And it was great because Bailey refused
[00:34:40] to give them time to change her plan.
[00:34:43] She came in, she knew we've got a matter of minutes.
[00:34:46] It's a commercial break.
[00:34:47] Like we've got a matter of minutes for this to happen.
[00:34:50] They can't convince Victoria of anything else if I'm in this room.
[00:34:55] And it was honestly a little amazing to me
[00:34:58] that Lexis and Anthony didn't even bother to be like, oh, yeah.
[00:35:01] Oh, no, we had voted out Tola like nothing.
[00:35:03] They didn't even try to pretend that they would vote out Tola with Todd there.
[00:35:08] They basically just like, yeah, wow.
[00:35:11] She got to send rights.
[00:35:12] The thing was that Spicey spent the entire week being like,
[00:35:15] Todd needs to go though, right?
[00:35:17] Like Todd needs to because she was trying to get him on the block.
[00:35:20] And so and they were like, yeah, we agree.
[00:35:23] And so like what are they to say when she goes, no, it has to be Tola.
[00:35:27] Lexis is like, what about Todd?
[00:35:29] You've been talking about Todd all week.
[00:35:30] What do you mean it's Tola?
[00:35:32] Like how do they then flip on a dime as well?
[00:35:34] Like, oh, yeah, we agree as well. Tola.
[00:35:36] Yeah, it was it was interesting though, because I liked when Lexis was talking
[00:35:40] and then in Spicey's like, oh, OK, so yeah.
[00:35:43] But if I put Todd up, would you vote Tola out?
[00:35:45] And Lexis is like, no, no, no, like I'm trying to convince you to want to vote
[00:35:49] Todd out. I thought that was I think they were both just so flabbergasted.
[00:35:54] Or I think Lexis was Anthony.
[00:35:57] I mean, he even laughed at one point.
[00:35:58] It was so clear.
[00:35:59] He was just like.
[00:36:01] How are we even there was nothing to say?
[00:36:02] Yeah, yeah.
[00:36:03] I think there was no fighting that.
[00:36:05] So it was great.
[00:36:05] But I really do think you can't go without saying like Bailey did good work here.
[00:36:10] Like whether or not Victoria was going because I mean, do you think
[00:36:13] if Bailey didn't come in that room, do you think that Lexis and Anthony
[00:36:16] could have swayed Victoria to do something different,
[00:36:19] even if it's not put up Bailey, but like put up Todd?
[00:36:21] I don't think Anthony and Lexis could have.
[00:36:25] But I think if Anthony had gotten in a room alone with Spicy,
[00:36:30] I think that's what he was waiting for.
[00:36:32] I think he was waiting to get in a room alone with her so that he could be like,
[00:36:36] OK, what are we really doing for us?
[00:36:39] We couldn't do that in front of Lexis.
[00:36:41] And if he had that time, give him a couple of minutes alone with Spicy.
[00:36:45] I think Todd is on that block.
[00:36:48] But.
[00:36:49] Bailey would never have let that happen.
[00:36:51] Do you think?
[00:36:52] Well, OK, Bailey might not have let that happen.
[00:36:54] Do you think Lexis would have let him talk to her?
[00:36:57] I mean, that's I was literally like, who Lex?
[00:37:00] Like, here's the thing.
[00:37:01] I am always advocating for get in there.
[00:37:03] But in this circumstance, you might actually want to let Anthony take this one.
[00:37:07] But it's I mean, that's so difficult to know.
[00:37:09] And I get where Lex was coming from.
[00:37:11] But like, yeah, I think, you know, you have to you have to know
[00:37:17] who to let in there.
[00:37:18] Right. Like if you know that your ally is going to be fighting for you,
[00:37:22] then and they're going to have a much better
[00:37:23] chance at convincing than you are, then maybe you can let it let it go.
[00:37:27] But in that spot, no, it didn't seem like Lexis was planning to leave
[00:37:31] at any point. And I think Anthony was going to stay quiet
[00:37:33] and unless he could get her alone.
[00:37:36] Yeah. So good on good on Bailey.
[00:37:39] What the heck were Tola and Todd doing?
[00:37:41] Not even trying to get in the room.
[00:37:42] I mean, maybe they just figured it was a lost cause.
[00:37:46] I mean, Tola probably did.
[00:37:47] But Todd at least could have tried something.
[00:37:50] Yeah, that's, you know, that's that's pretty difficult.
[00:37:53] I think what we would expect from them.
[00:37:56] But and this thing, this too is like, this is indicative of how Bailey plays the game.
[00:38:00] It's even been commented on recently on the drops.
[00:38:03] I think Spicy and Avery were talking about it.
[00:38:05] They were like finally realizing like Bailey's so good about just like
[00:38:08] always being around.
[00:38:11] And it's because yeah, we actually we talked about this in the preseason
[00:38:15] about social battery and how
[00:38:19] some people don't have a big social battery.
[00:38:21] And so they have a hard time staying around people all the time.
[00:38:26] And I think that Bailey's superpower in the game
[00:38:29] is that she just has an unlimited social battle.
[00:38:34] She might have limited patience, but she is always
[00:38:37] down to just like talk to people, hang out, be in the room.
[00:38:42] And I think that's how she's had so much influence over Spicy
[00:38:44] because Spicy has very little space to think for herself
[00:38:49] because Bailey is always there injecting her view of the game on to Spicy.
[00:38:57] And so like the few times that Spicy gets to be alone from Bailey,
[00:39:03] it's she has a little bit of time to think things through.
[00:39:05] But eventually Bailey walks in and starts talking about how she sees
[00:39:09] the game from her perspective.
[00:39:11] And and she's just very good at getting that done.
[00:39:13] And I think it's hard to say because of the dailies.
[00:39:15] But like, I think that that perhaps one of Anthony's weaknesses
[00:39:19] is that he doesn't seem to be to have as big a social back.
[00:39:23] Anthony seems to need a lot of time on his own.
[00:39:26] And he's very effective when he gets in there.
[00:39:30] But but it seems like he spends a lot of time not being active
[00:39:34] like Bailey is.
[00:39:36] And so I think that's part of how Bailey's been able to keep up
[00:39:40] with with what Anthony has been doing as well.
[00:39:43] Yeah, yeah, it's it's fascinating.
[00:39:46] Now, do you think if it came down to Bailey versus Anthony in the end
[00:39:51] that Bailey wins?
[00:39:56] I think it depends.
[00:39:57] It depends on how they got there.
[00:39:59] I think that I think that Spicy decides that vote.
[00:40:02] And I think.
[00:40:04] She votes Anthony unless Anthony has like
[00:40:08] really did her dirt done her dirty, you know.
[00:40:11] I think that Spicy will want to adhere to the alumni thing
[00:40:16] more than she will want to vote.
[00:40:19] That's so frustrating.
[00:40:21] And I think the same is true probably for Bailey versus Spicy.
[00:40:26] I think that Anthony is probably more likely to vote
[00:40:29] Spicy and I think he will have his people vote Spicy as well.
[00:40:35] You know, because he seems to also care about the alumni thing.
[00:40:37] I mean, he's in the Diarrom last episode being like Spicy
[00:40:40] is still my number one. It's like, no, she's not.
[00:40:42] Why are you lying to me the same way?
[00:40:43] Spicy's like neither of you or each other's number ones.
[00:40:46] I don't believe it.
[00:40:47] I'm watching what you're doing in the game.
[00:40:50] So the only way that Bailey can win
[00:40:52] is to get to the end without Spicy or Anthony.
[00:40:55] Yikes. I think it's hard.
[00:40:58] But I don't think it's impossible.
[00:41:01] But I do think definitely not with her and Todd still in the picture.
[00:41:05] But Lexus is going to I think I mean,
[00:41:10] Lexus I think would be on board to get a very out.
[00:41:12] I mean, a spicy out.
[00:41:13] I don't know if Lexus is going to be on board to get Anthony out.
[00:41:16] Yeah. So we're down to the tola eventually leaves, of course.
[00:41:23] I think that the we'll talk more about tola.
[00:41:26] But like we're now we've got to talk about his exit and if you at least
[00:41:31] we're now at the final five.
[00:41:32] And I think the way I see it as things currently stand.
[00:41:38] The winner has been narrowed down to three.
[00:41:42] It's either Bailey, Anthony or spicy.
[00:41:46] I think the only way that Lexus or Todd
[00:41:50] can win the game is if they're in the final two with each other.
[00:41:53] Yeah. And I agree on that one.
[00:41:56] In that spot, I'm not even sure who wins.
[00:41:58] I'd probably give the edge to to Lexus.
[00:42:01] But I'm not sure.
[00:42:05] But the two of them getting to the end together seems
[00:42:08] readably unlikely because they're not only like the most likely people
[00:42:11] to be evicted next, but they will continue to be the most likely people
[00:42:14] to be evicted and neither of them have plans to take each other to the end
[00:42:18] in really any sense.
[00:42:19] So they are almost drawing dead in that regard.
[00:42:25] So then the question is.
[00:42:27] One of Anthony, spicy or Bailey will be in the final two.
[00:42:32] And then it's just a matter of who are they up against
[00:42:33] and what kind of votes can they get?
[00:42:35] And I think that the way that Bailey beats spicy is if the jury is kind of bitter
[00:42:42] about what did and impressed with how Bailey got to the end.
[00:42:46] I don't think that the jury will be able to recognize
[00:42:49] what we've seen from Bailey in terms of how much influence she's had.
[00:42:53] I think it's spicy is more influential.
[00:42:56] And we only I mean, plenty of people can see what Bailey is doing.
[00:43:00] But the way to concisely tell Bailey's story, I don't even think Bailey knows.
[00:43:06] Yeah, you know it because you've been watching everything and analyzing it
[00:43:09] in your professional on that.
[00:43:10] But it's not even like the TV show is telling us that story.
[00:43:14] So it's yeah, it would be a stretch for Bailey to be able to
[00:43:20] tell a story that she doesn't even know is happening.
[00:43:23] Yes. So I think I think she I think there needs to be a little bit of resentment
[00:43:28] towards spicy and like I said, I think that Anthony has to side with Bailey.
[00:43:33] I think that's the key.
[00:43:34] She can get Anthony and she's a lot closer than we would have thought, you know?
[00:43:39] Yeah, but I think that's what she needs.
[00:43:41] The problem is looking at the next age age.
[00:43:44] So Victoria can't win it, which means that.
[00:43:48] Bailey or Todd winning.
[00:43:51] Best case scenario for Bailey is Pod wins the bottom of HOH.
[00:43:55] Yes. So but if if Bailey or Todd wins, then there is a chance
[00:44:00] that spicy goes on the block through someone winning the video.
[00:44:05] So that that could happen.
[00:44:07] I would say yes.
[00:44:10] Spicy could go in the block.
[00:44:12] Right. But even then, I don't think spicy is going home
[00:44:16] if Bailey or Todd when have the HOH.
[00:44:19] So the only way that spicy goes out is if.
[00:44:25] Pretty much just if Lexis wins the HOH
[00:44:28] and then either puts up spicy directly or has to based on the veto.
[00:44:35] I would say
[00:44:37] if Anthony or Lexis wins because it's to V2 in the age.
[00:44:41] If Anthony or Lexis win,
[00:44:44] Todd is the person they will try to evict most likely.
[00:44:47] Right. Unless they change their minds.
[00:44:49] If they change their minds, it's possible they go for spicy,
[00:44:53] but it's hard to do that without Ola still in the game.
[00:44:58] And I can I just say I think they should be evicting Bailey
[00:45:03] because spicy and Todd are so much less close
[00:45:06] that they would each put each other up more than they would put up Bailey.
[00:45:10] Right.
[00:45:12] Possibly, I think there's two ways you could look at it.
[00:45:16] One is that spicy is closer to Bailey
[00:45:19] and therefore more likely to take Bailey to the final two.
[00:45:21] The other way to look at it is spicy knows she much more
[00:45:24] handily beats Todd than she would Bailey.
[00:45:27] The spiciest choosing between Bailey and Anthony to take to the final two.
[00:45:30] It might be more of a toss up like, do I want to be loyal to Anthony
[00:45:34] or do I want to betray Anthony for Bailey, who is also a very strong player
[00:45:38] and might actually still be versus guaranteed win with Todd.
[00:45:42] Take my shot with Anthony.
[00:45:44] Do you but like if if you're saying that spicy in the jury
[00:45:48] would vote for Anthony to win and try to get everyone to vote for Anthony
[00:45:52] to win as opposed to voting for Bailey, who she's been working.
[00:45:55] Well, OK, she's been working with Anthony too.
[00:45:57] Yeah, no, it sucks. It sucks all the way around.
[00:45:59] I don't know. I don't know that I don't know that spicy would campaign
[00:46:02] for Anthony. I think that spicy.
[00:46:04] In fact, she might campaign against Anthony, but then vote for him.
[00:46:07] Yeah, that's not I could see because I can't see her being the type of person
[00:46:11] to take Todd to the end to win but not take Anthony, but then campaign
[00:46:15] campaign for Anthony to win over Bailey.
[00:46:17] I don't think she'll campaign for Anthony to win unless he's against Lexis or Todd.
[00:46:21] OK, yeah.
[00:46:23] Which means, yeah, if he's against Bailey, I don't think she will.
[00:46:26] But I think she will feel like she needs.
[00:46:29] She might feel like she needs to vote for him
[00:46:31] for the sake of whatever they had in the alumni thing.
[00:46:35] But if she does vote for Anthony over Bailey, then you probably also see
[00:46:42] Lexis and Tola vote for Anthony over Bailey.
[00:46:45] That's three right away.
[00:46:46] He only needs one more.
[00:46:48] And, you know, he can get that one more from either Goose,
[00:46:54] Hala Avery or it's not getting it from Todd.
[00:46:59] And so it's like this is a decent chance
[00:47:02] he's able to get at least one of them, you know?
[00:47:05] Yeah.
[00:47:07] Especially, you know, Kayla, I didn't exactly have the best exit there for with Bailey.
[00:47:13] But I don't know.
[00:47:15] We'll see. I think a lot's going to depend on what happens with the HOH.
[00:47:18] I think that like, OK, so like I said, I think that Anthony and Lexis
[00:47:21] likely target Todd.
[00:47:24] If they stick to their what their plan was going into the double,
[00:47:27] their plan, I think, was
[00:47:29] Todd is the primary target with spicy as a potential backup.
[00:47:35] I think that's what they had.
[00:47:37] So I assume they would probably go into the final five with the same rough plan.
[00:47:43] Then if Bailey or Todd win,
[00:47:47] I think that they are more likely to target Lexis than Anthony,
[00:47:52] but it would not be impossible for them to target Anthony in that spot,
[00:47:57] especially if they feel like, oh, why, you know,
[00:48:00] it's kind of it's kind of like, you know, in the middle here,
[00:48:03] like it kind of could go either way.
[00:48:04] And maybe I could get like a big resume boost by taking out Anthony here at the final five.
[00:48:10] I don't think it's impossible, but they would need to work together on that.
[00:48:14] Because if they, you know, because I don't think spicy would sign off on it.
[00:48:18] There's not a lot of upside for spicy to keep Lexis over Anthony.
[00:48:25] I say that, but like Lexis kind of forced to work with spicy,
[00:48:28] but but then Lexis definitely would like not take spicy.
[00:48:33] So I don't know either way,
[00:48:35] I think that Lexis and Todd are the biggest targets with Anthony and spicy as backups.
[00:48:40] And I do think I think that Bailey is probably the safest at the final five.
[00:48:44] But the trick here is that Bailey might be able to get into the Nicole
[00:48:49] Fransel spot from season 18, where Corey won the final five HOH.
[00:48:55] And that guaranteed her final three because Todd wins the final five HOH,
[00:49:00] probably takes out say Lexis.
[00:49:03] That means that going into the final four, Todd cannot win the final four HOH.
[00:49:09] And I believe that all of Anthony spicy or both of Anthony and spicy
[00:49:17] would evict Todd over Bailey, which means that Todd has to be vulnerable
[00:49:23] because he can't win the HOH.
[00:49:24] The only way he's not vulnerable is if he wins the veto himself
[00:49:27] and he's also not evicting Bailey, which means in that spot she can't be evicted.
[00:49:33] It would have to either be Todd or it would be somebody else.
[00:49:36] And then she'd be guaranteed final three, which would be great for her.
[00:49:40] Why would?
[00:49:43] Do Anthony and Victoria really think that Bailey is easier to beat than Todd?
[00:49:48] No, but I think they probably both think that she's more likely to take them to the end.
[00:49:57] Yeah, which is weird and may and might not last.
[00:50:00] Like, I don't think this is locked in nearly as much as Nicole Fransel had it.
[00:50:05] But what I'm saying is that I think she has the potential to get into that very, very nice spot.
[00:50:12] But I think you're right in the sense that like
[00:50:15] at some point will they realize
[00:50:19] she has to take one of us?
[00:50:21] Yeah, you know.
[00:50:24] But then again, on the other hand, it's like if we do evict Bailey and we bring Todd.
[00:50:29] Then we're really displaying chicken with each other
[00:50:32] about like who's going to cut the other one for Todd.
[00:50:36] Huh.
[00:50:38] Yeah, yeah.
[00:50:39] It's a surprisingly interesting ending
[00:50:43] given everything because we still have
[00:50:47] the three kind of powerheads
[00:50:50] in in Victoria, Anthony and Bailey still in the game at this point.
[00:50:55] Which is interesting.
[00:50:56] And I think that Lexus could make a good case for herself at the end.
[00:50:59] I don't think that she would win, like you said, unless she's against Todd.
[00:51:06] I think Lexus has played a much better game
[00:51:10] than she is being credited for in the house.
[00:51:14] But I don't think that would be very,
[00:51:16] I don't think the very end with the way that they do speeches.
[00:51:19] I don't think it's enough time to explain it to the jury.
[00:51:21] I think the jury is too bitter against her.
[00:51:23] She's also at least has been in the house.
[00:51:26] She's not like the most energetic, passionate speaker.
[00:51:31] And so I'd worry that like
[00:51:34] in a spot where she needs to sway hearts and minds,
[00:51:37] that she might just be a little chill.
[00:51:41] And which I think explains why she gets along with Dougie well,
[00:51:44] but I don't think it doesn't yet.
[00:51:46] It's not it's not a great way to win.
[00:51:48] I mean, my mind just always flashes back to the, you know,
[00:51:52] Paris versus Kayla like final speech.
[00:51:54] And it's just it's just not something that I can see Lexus kind of pulling out.
[00:51:59] Yeah.
[00:52:01] So it's just like
[00:52:04] and you know, I would say.
[00:52:07] You know, I think they probably underestimate Todd a little bit
[00:52:11] in terms of his game ability,
[00:52:13] but he definitely I think is the worst player remaining in the game.
[00:52:19] And just in terms of like.
[00:52:21] Yeah, like he has the right idea occasionally.
[00:52:24] I think the fact that he's like the only one willing to target Anthony
[00:52:27] is like it really helps bolster his case.
[00:52:30] But but like the reason he's the most
[00:52:33] willing to target Anthony is because like he's the way too loyal to spicy,
[00:52:38] which he started to catch up, like catch on to.
[00:52:42] But I do think he's he was just too slow to adapt to the game.
[00:52:47] Right.
[00:52:48] And he made a very bad first impression.
[00:52:49] And I don't think people have like gotten there
[00:52:52] not to mention the fact that like, you know,
[00:52:54] he is a player that straight up got saved by this.
[00:52:57] Yeah. So, you know, there's that too.
[00:53:00] And he did that whole thing where he didn't realize
[00:53:03] he had to go sit on the block after being renown.
[00:53:07] Just yeah, not the best.
[00:53:10] Yeah. OK, can I talk about Tola's exit?
[00:53:16] So this is how I read this.
[00:53:17] Maybe I'm the only one here's the conversation
[00:53:20] that went down between him and Arissa.
[00:53:21] Arissa, so you're headed to the jury.
[00:53:24] Tola. OK. Arissa, are you open minded?
[00:53:30] Tola. Oh, I'm very open minded.
[00:53:34] He definitely thought she was implying something
[00:53:36] about like a battle back or some way to get back in the game.
[00:53:38] Right. The way that was a very weird one down.
[00:53:41] It did not seem like he understood that she was just saying,
[00:53:44] hey, so you're headed to the jury.
[00:53:46] How do you feel about like voting at the end?
[00:53:49] It sounded to me like he was reading as,
[00:53:51] oh, she's trying to to trick me into thinking
[00:53:54] that I'm heading into the jury.
[00:53:55] But really, I'm going to go do something else
[00:53:57] because I'm open minded.
[00:53:58] That's what I definitely read it that way.
[00:54:01] That question was way too open.
[00:54:04] So odd.
[00:54:06] Like, Tola, I don't know.
[00:54:08] Re-watch it if you want, because it's definitely something
[00:54:11] I would like this is weird, because this whole thing was very weird.
[00:54:15] Yeah. For Tola's eviction, just no Tola up to that point.
[00:54:21] It was just it was odd.
[00:54:24] Yeah, we spent, you know,
[00:54:26] considerably more time with Avery
[00:54:29] than I think any other player in the entire episode.
[00:54:34] Yeah, yeah.
[00:54:35] Well, you know, had to had to see Avery's campaigning.
[00:54:42] With that camp campaigning, I've got to get campaigning in.
[00:54:46] Did you think that the episode when
[00:54:49] when Todd and Tola were talking next to the portrait
[00:54:51] that they were going to include something about the curse?
[00:54:55] Because they briefly did mention it.
[00:54:57] They're like, oh, top.
[00:54:59] Yeah, I did see I did see that part.
[00:55:00] But I was surprised that they they didn't go ahead and do the whole thing.
[00:55:05] And I say if you call it top row curse, I'm in.
[00:55:10] You call it the back row curse.
[00:55:11] I still I'm still not with you.
[00:55:13] OK, top row.
[00:55:14] I'm fine.
[00:55:14] Top row of a painting is different from back row of a standing position
[00:55:20] because now we're talking about like foreground background,
[00:55:22] like it's a different thing. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:55:27] That was the thing, too, is they had that like scene.
[00:55:30] It was like late at night.
[00:55:31] They were talking about like who to target,
[00:55:33] who to be worried about the coming double eviction.
[00:55:37] And I was like, OK, here we go.
[00:55:39] They're prepping.
[00:55:41] Let's let's let's get moving.
[00:55:42] We're about to enter the double eviction cut to Avery.
[00:55:47] Oh, wait, she's still in the house.
[00:55:49] Then like five more scenes of Avery campaigning.
[00:55:51] And I was like, wait.
[00:55:53] I didn't I thought we had moved on from there.
[00:55:56] Nope.
[00:55:58] What do you think of Arisa's fake out about the I love
[00:56:02] quad vision?
[00:56:04] Arisa crush.
[00:56:05] I mean, apart from the open minded question, Arisa Arisa crushed this up.
[00:56:08] No, I loved the open minded question.
[00:56:10] I love not for an awkward exit.
[00:56:13] Yeah, it was great.
[00:56:14] It was the the old the old.
[00:56:16] We're going to just get down to the final two tonight.
[00:56:20] I mean, listen, I I'd have been down to end the season tonight.
[00:56:24] Just who wins if they had ended the season tonight?
[00:56:28] I think it comes down to spicy V and Anthony.
[00:56:34] The two of them just get together and they're like, oh, wait, shoot,
[00:56:37] we can't we got to get rid of these people.
[00:56:40] Let's just listen.
[00:56:41] Let's just hold a vote for who you want to see in the final two.
[00:56:47] You can't pick yourself.
[00:56:50] Lexus and Tola pick Anthony Bailey and Todd pick spicy.
[00:56:56] They make the final two.
[00:56:58] We just we just speed up the process a little bit, you know, if if this was
[00:57:03] a really a quadruple eviction, do we think that Anthony still throws the HWH?
[00:57:11] Listen, I hope he didn't throw this because terrible move if he did.
[00:57:16] Really terrible move.
[00:57:19] It's he should be trying to win every single comp from this point forward.
[00:57:24] And should have always from the beginning.
[00:57:28] Yep, but you know.
[00:57:31] Things happen.
[00:57:33] Yeah.
[00:57:35] All right.
[00:57:36] Well, you know, Tola, I think, you know, this was just a bad spot for me.
[00:57:42] Bad comp outcomes.
[00:57:43] It was the most likely scenario.
[00:57:46] Tola leaving, but he had a few different decent outs.
[00:57:49] I think this double could have been a lot more exciting if really anybody
[00:57:54] but Todd had won that veto.
[00:57:57] I think I think the thing I was looking for the most was Tola or Lexus winning
[00:58:01] because then spicy would have had to choose.
[00:58:05] Right.
[00:58:06] Does she put Anthony on the block
[00:58:08] or does she screw herself and put Todd on the block?
[00:58:13] Because if she puts Todd on the block, it's game over.
[00:58:17] Todd leaves next HOH is three V1 Anthony Lexus, Tola versus Bailey.
[00:58:23] They almost they have a great shot of winning 75 percent chance of winning.
[00:58:28] They are then able to put, you know, Bailey and spicy on the block
[00:58:32] guaranteed that one of them goes home and now they don't win.
[00:58:35] Final four.
[00:58:37] Even if Bailey wins, they have a great shot of forcing spicy on the block.
[00:58:41] Yeah, it's just it's a terrible position
[00:58:44] because she will have she wouldn't be able to compete in the final five HOH
[00:58:47] and will have just lost one of her people.
[00:58:50] Just a really, really bad spot that she seemingly nearly got into,
[00:58:54] if not for Bailey's insistence.
[00:58:57] And and so I think what we would have seen was instead of Anthony being like,
[00:59:02] you know what, I'm not it's not worth my game
[00:59:05] to like fight here because I don't think it'll happen to I'm fighting for my life.
[00:59:09] Spice, you don't put me on the block and Bailey being like,
[00:59:11] you need to put Anthony on the block and that would have been so much fun.
[00:59:14] And I'm so disappointed that Todd won the Vita.
[00:59:17] Oh, well.
[00:59:20] I think I think that could have made it an all-timer.
[00:59:22] I really do.
[00:59:23] And the odds were in their favor too.
[00:59:25] It was for all the talk from Victoria about
[00:59:31] at Bailey about Tola winning the game.
[00:59:33] I don't think Tola had a chance to win the game based on the jury.
[00:59:37] I mean, against Lexus or Todd, maybe.
[00:59:40] Maybe. Yeah.
[00:59:41] But I think it would have been tough to get there.
[00:59:43] You know, if Tola wasn't leaving, Lexus or Todd would have been leaving tonight.
[00:59:47] So, you know, he would have lost immediately one of those people.
[00:59:51] And now he's down to just one person that he can be.
[00:59:54] And, you know, that's it's tough, tough spot.
[00:59:58] Yeah.
[00:59:59] No.
[01:00:01] Well, anything else from this double eviction night?
[01:00:06] Nope. I think that's all I had was, you know, we got through it.
[01:00:11] And I am interested on how the rest of the season is going to shake out.
[01:00:16] I think we've got a couple potentially interesting final two scenarios.
[01:00:21] But yeah.
[01:00:23] Wow.
[01:00:23] Do they just not know how to pick and film comps for a.
[01:00:29] Double eviction or any sort of live show, live tape show rough.
[01:00:35] Yeah. All right.
[01:00:37] Well, that's what we have for you tonight.
[01:00:38] Then thank you all so much for joining us.
[01:00:41] The plan is to be back on Friday for an update on the situation
[01:00:48] who has won the HOH.
[01:00:50] I pessimistically don't expect to know who won HOH tomorrow,
[01:00:55] given that it was a double eviction.
[01:00:57] They probably need time to set up the HOH comp.
[01:00:59] And what we'll probably get is just a lot of like Thursday
[01:01:04] and quite honestly, a lot of Avery campaigning on tomorrow's drop.
[01:01:08] Why? For what possible purpose?
[01:01:15] But hopefully we will get the results by Friday
[01:01:18] and then we'll update you on the current state of things.
[01:01:21] And then almost more importantly, what happens with the veto later on?
[01:01:25] So Friday is when we will be back.
[01:01:28] I will be speaking with both Avery and Tola tomorrow.
[01:01:33] So be on the lookout for those interviews.
[01:01:35] They should hopefully give us some more insight into.
[01:01:39] The jury and what they're thinking.
[01:01:42] And then two weeks left.
[01:01:45] That's it.
[01:01:46] Just do more than we're done.
[01:01:49] There we go.
[01:01:50] There we go.
[01:01:53] Find me over on Twitch.
[01:01:54] I'm watching these episodes live as they air as well as survivor.
[01:01:58] We're also covering the circle this season.
[01:02:00] We just dropped a podcast covering the second batch of circle episodes.
[01:02:05] So check that out.
[01:02:06] Mary, what do you got going on?
[01:02:08] Not much, you know, you can follow me everywhere at Frail Mary.
[01:02:12] But this this time since I'm not doing a whole lot of other
[01:02:14] podcasting at the moment, I'm going to plug some random stuff.
[01:02:17] Let's see.
[01:02:18] Plug follow the YouTube channel Dev Duck, if you're interesting
[01:02:22] in video game development.
[01:02:24] It's not me, but I'm just plugging stuff.
[01:02:25] And if you and if you want to watch a random show that you're
[01:02:32] probably getting ads for, check out Fire Country.
[01:02:35] It's actually pretty good.
[01:02:36] You see on the Parallel Plus.
[01:02:38] I hate those previews.
[01:02:40] They're the same thing every time it's just oh, it's fire.
[01:02:44] It's dark.
[01:02:45] Oh, bad explosion.
[01:02:47] Yeah, but it's got the dad from Twilight in it.
[01:02:49] So that's why I'm watching.
[01:02:52] Oh, also I saw the the ministry of whatever is called
[01:02:57] un-gentlemanly warfare.
[01:02:59] That was pretty fun too.
[01:03:00] Oh yeah.
[01:03:00] Did you watch the league?
[01:03:02] What is it?
[01:03:03] The Gentleman show on Netflix?
[01:03:05] No, I did not.
[01:03:06] I did not watch that.
[01:03:07] That's that's different.
[01:03:08] Same same director.
[01:03:09] And guy.
[01:03:09] Yeah, but yeah, but he loves his gentleman.
[01:03:12] That guy loves his gentleman.
[01:03:13] Also, he keeps remaking the same shows.
[01:03:17] No, listen, what people should be watching is baby
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[01:03:28] Don't even look it up.
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[01:03:39] All right.
[01:03:40] Thank you all so much for joining us here tonight.
[01:03:43] And we will see all of you next time.