BBCAN12 | Episode 18 Recap

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[00:01:48] This is not the podcast you are used to.

[00:01:52] This is a Big Brother Canada 12 recap on Rob has a podcast not hosted by Terran Armstrong.

[00:02:00] But perhaps the one a bit hoootier.

[00:02:04] Hello everybody, Mike Bloom here.

[00:02:07] Terran's gone and it's our house to play in now as we're ready to break down the

[00:02:14] movie Night Massacre, the eviction quote unquote event of the week.

[00:02:21] We're going to break down whatever the hell we just watched.

[00:02:23] Now we can call it movie Night Massacre, but I prefer with this current panel to call it

[00:02:29] a movie Mike, Matt, Sir Kirsten as we are going to break it all down tonight.

[00:02:36] It took me just as long to come up with that pun as it did a risk to read out all

[00:02:39] the names that we already knew within the roles.

[00:02:42] We got to talk about whatever the hell was going on there and I'm so excited for

[00:02:45] this panel to break it all down and figure out where we are going as we have

[00:02:51] just started sitting in our seats for whatever's about to play in front of us.

[00:02:55] Of course, our panel tonight as I have so punfully mentioned before the great

[00:03:00] Kirsten McFennis Kirsten, how are you?

[00:03:04] Don't do that. Oh my God. So scary.

[00:03:08] No, was it just my face?

[00:03:09] Was that after I pulled off the mask?

[00:03:11] That should have been your reaction.

[00:03:11] It was the mask.

[00:03:13] Totally fine. The second the mask came off.

[00:03:15] Oh, I got scary.

[00:03:17] Well, Matt, LaGorie, what do you think?

[00:03:19] Am I ugly? Is this how we're starting the podcast?

[00:03:21] Are you ugly?

[00:03:23] Michael, how more confident?

[00:03:25] I did not say that.

[00:03:28] Am I more pleasant at getting bugs dumped on you while you try to hold a jar up?

[00:03:32] Yes, I'm going to forego an introduction for myself and just let the listeners know

[00:03:37] that may not be watching the YouTube video that Mike did start this podcast

[00:03:40] just now with a ruling type mask on his face in honor of the massacre.

[00:03:45] I want everybody to know that we did not see that before we went live.

[00:03:48] So genuine shock came across the both of us.

[00:03:51] And now we begin.

[00:03:54] And now we do begin.

[00:03:56] And what we begin to see is.

[00:04:00] I wouldn't even call a big brother at a certain extent.

[00:04:03] It's not at all.

[00:04:04] I think we can start early and say that was not big brother.

[00:04:08] But what we what we got was some form of social strategy as

[00:04:13] we began the latest week of the game.

[00:04:14] Some are saying, OK, maybe we're starting jury this week.

[00:04:17] Jury is quite literally still out on that as everyone goes up to the HOH

[00:04:22] room for this unknown period of time.

[00:04:25] And when they come back down, not only is the house made over,

[00:04:28] but so is the structure of this round.

[00:04:31] Movie Night Massacres here and a parent two episode event.

[00:04:36] Oh, maybe three.

[00:04:37] Even we're still not entirely sure whenever this podcast comes back,

[00:04:43] whenever someone's evicted, Taryn will be back interviewing them,

[00:04:46] also covering what's happening up to this point.

[00:04:48] We could also expect maybe Matt I go to US like my digital dailies expert.

[00:04:52] Maybe no dailies until we get an eviction.

[00:04:54] I think that's very safe to say.

[00:04:57] They did not give a daily on Friday so that we would not know

[00:05:00] what was happening before the massacre.

[00:05:02] If this all happened in one night, which it seems like it did,

[00:05:05] that this was all one sequence of events.

[00:05:07] Everybody needed to stay, you know, continuity needed to occur.

[00:05:10] There's no chance that we're seeing anything until we if we had to guess,

[00:05:14] and I'm sure we're going to speculate.

[00:05:15] I feel like the rest of the week is going to play out as normal

[00:05:18] with the veto ceremony ending on on Tuesday and then the eviction on Wednesday.

[00:05:23] So we're not going to see a second of what's going on behind the scenes.

[00:05:27] I don't think any dailies until Thursday and even then.

[00:05:29] Yeah, much.

[00:05:31] Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[00:05:32] Yeah, well, we'll get like seven dailies on Thursday so that we can find out.

[00:05:36] You know, you probably are so right about that,

[00:05:39] which drives me insane when they do that.

[00:05:40] I'm like, who's watching the first one?

[00:05:42] The second one, the third one who's even watching the fourth one?

[00:05:44] But, you know, some of us still do.

[00:05:46] Yeah, you know what?

[00:05:47] You want to do that Netflix model for digital dailies.

[00:05:49] It seems whether it will work in a binge format.

[00:05:52] But yeah, just setting some stuff up at the top here.

[00:05:55] Taren is OK. He just has the night off.

[00:05:58] He will be back on Tuesday.

[00:06:01] We can confirm whether or not there will be an eviction.

[00:06:04] He will come back.

[00:06:05] He'll have a recap of whatever is going on in the house, which does look.

[00:06:09] For lack of a better term, pretty spicy

[00:06:11] considering all the fallout that's going to happen.

[00:06:14] And he's going to have a lot to walk into as again,

[00:06:17] the big headline of this episode is like brand new social strategy game.

[00:06:22] Just kind of nestled inside of this episode of Big Brother Canada.

[00:06:27] I mean, I think a lot of our expectations and thoughts

[00:06:31] ebbed in flow throughout the episode.

[00:06:33] I think a lot of this is going to be us right after the episode,

[00:06:35] kind of figuring out our thoughts on this new format overall.

[00:06:39] But, Kirsten, what did you think about the past hour that we just witnessed?

[00:06:44] So it was

[00:06:47] somewhat compelling television for sure.

[00:06:50] I it was not Big Brother.

[00:06:54] I don't I don't think it's a direction

[00:06:56] I like for Big Brother to make everything reliant on the order

[00:07:00] you perform in a competition.

[00:07:02] I think that's boring and not really the point.

[00:07:09] And I I wish it had just been a longer episode

[00:07:12] and we had gotten the full cinematic experience.

[00:07:14] This is like when they're like, OK, this we're going to start

[00:07:16] breaking the last in a series into two movies.

[00:07:19] You know? Yeah. No.

[00:07:21] Just a whole movie.

[00:07:22] If there's one thing Big Brother Canada is going to do

[00:07:25] and that I don't think anybody has ever contested.

[00:07:27] It's the production value is always there.

[00:07:30] They always go all out with the effects.

[00:07:33] And I mean, even starting from the beginning of the episode,

[00:07:35] they were doing too much.

[00:07:37] That's up to you.

[00:07:38] The intro and and turning it into, you know, the scary purge like

[00:07:44] you know, announcement and the alarms that are going off to scare the crap out of you.

[00:07:48] And that part of it, you know, the show of it, I can appreciate.

[00:07:52] And I probably appreciated the rest of the episode.

[00:07:56] Maybe more than I would have expected to.

[00:07:58] I think the one very obvious downfall of this episode was the pacing,

[00:08:02] because at first we thought this was all going to be across one night

[00:08:06] that we were going to get the veto then play out.

[00:08:08] And this was going to serve as like a full episode kind of double eviction

[00:08:12] type of deal and we were going to lose somebody.

[00:08:14] That did not happen.

[00:08:15] We saw we all probably theorized as we got closer to the end.

[00:08:19] All right, it's 850 for East Coast

[00:08:22] that the episode is coming coming to an end.

[00:08:24] We don't have time for a veto ended eviction.

[00:08:26] Yeah. So I was I was holding out hope because that first 10 minutes

[00:08:30] was done without an act break, like it went through the aftermath of the eviction

[00:08:34] through some planning through, oh my God, what's going on?

[00:08:36] Let's sit in these like sketchy recliners.

[00:08:39] And I thought, OK, maybe we'll do the same thing at the end.

[00:08:41] But listen, we didn't any sponsorships in Big Brother Canada.

[00:08:44] So we had to get around them that we were cutting like three times

[00:08:48] over the course of the last 15 minutes.

[00:08:50] That's where I did lose all hope today.

[00:08:51] I love Cocoa Montreys.

[00:08:53] Was there was there was there like a movie scary movie sponsor?

[00:08:56] Because if they didn't know, that's a one.

[00:08:59] There's no extra stuff going on because they needed all the commercials, obviously.

[00:09:06] But so I want to ask, because you all, you know, you're American,

[00:09:10] you don't actually watch that much Canadian TV.

[00:09:12] Are there any Canadian commercials that you're finding

[00:09:15] particularly compelling this season of BB Can?

[00:09:19] They have a commercial that plays for all.

[00:09:23] It's an ad that goes in every single drop.

[00:09:26] I don't even know what it's for because I skip it on the drops.

[00:09:29] Don't tell them that you have that power.

[00:09:31] And it also plays in the episode.

[00:09:33] It's it's it starts with I'm so excited.

[00:09:36] The song playing along it.

[00:09:39] It's literally playing in my head right now.

[00:09:41] And like somebody is like, so did they win auto or something like that?

[00:09:45] I think so. Yeah.

[00:09:46] It plays every time and every time on a drop that, you know,

[00:09:50] they have so many heads interspaced.

[00:09:51] I'm always hearing I'm so excited.

[00:09:53] I do. I do like Mr. Tony, but I'm not sure what his name is.

[00:09:58] But like he seems like a fun guy.

[00:10:01] Oh, yeah, Adam's right.

[00:10:02] It's a winner's ad that I'm so excited. OK.

[00:10:06] Hi. Winners is on my list for having that ad be so repetitive.

[00:10:12] Yeah. But Mike, it did feel like

[00:10:15] if we had known going into this episode, we're to expect

[00:10:19] that it wasn't going to end in an eviction.

[00:10:21] I think the pacing would have made more sense

[00:10:23] because that we're sitting there the whole time waiting to find out

[00:10:25] like who's going to go home again.

[00:10:27] If I knew that nobody was going to go home

[00:10:28] and this was just going to end where it ended,

[00:10:30] they squeeze the veto in like the last five minutes too.

[00:10:32] It's like if you're going to extend out to Tuesday or maybe even Wednesday,

[00:10:35] I don't know, like breathe a little bit.

[00:10:38] I don't know. I mean, I agree on the one hand.

[00:10:40] Like when we saw every single person

[00:10:43] process to the back and read the same card and even having, you know,

[00:10:48] Elijah and Avery who basically couldn't pick roles

[00:10:52] still going back there and going through the same thing.

[00:10:55] And then when we had a risk to come back and then do the slow dramatic reveal,

[00:10:59] I thought, OK, this is way too much chaff after I thought we were getting

[00:11:03] some interesting momentum going.

[00:11:04] I think really the crux of our talk tonight is going to be through

[00:11:07] a lot of OK, what's the ideal choice when you are in each position

[00:11:11] picking each role of this new game?

[00:11:14] But if I'm to believe the next time on teaser that's happening,

[00:11:18] like I don't want a lot of this drama to be like

[00:11:22] crammed into like a five minute segment in the episode.

[00:11:25] Right. If there is indeed a lot of shit hitting the fan,

[00:11:28] like let's dedicate an entire episode to that.

[00:11:31] I think the ideal would have been like we have done a couple times

[00:11:34] in Big Brother US. Let's make this a big two hour episode.

[00:11:37] Let's put Sunday and Tuesday together and then make it around.

[00:11:40] Because I also think something that, again, is a bit confusing is that we have

[00:11:45] to get rid of a good amount of people right between here and now.

[00:11:49] We're at nine, but we have to be at three in like four weeks.

[00:11:52] And we started with less people than usual, too.

[00:11:54] We started with 14 and 16.

[00:11:57] And so wait, Kate, so we're out.

[00:12:00] How many are we at now? Nine now or about?

[00:12:02] Yeah, we're at nine right now.

[00:12:05] We got to five.

[00:12:07] OK, and that's really interesting because typically at this point

[00:12:09] would be the triple eviction because they like to or no,

[00:12:12] do they do that at seven?

[00:12:14] Definitely done a double by now and then the triple may be like a week or two.

[00:12:17] Yeah, interesting.

[00:12:19] I do think like from a TV perspective,

[00:12:21] a few things that would have made this better is one,

[00:12:24] if they don't show everybody reading the same card over and over again,

[00:12:28] like I'm fine with the jump scare for everyone.

[00:12:30] That's funny.

[00:12:31] Like keep it in so they could but they could have made up time

[00:12:34] by not having everyone reading the card.

[00:12:36] And I think it would have been better

[00:12:39] if they couldn't see who had already been cast into what roles they just had,

[00:12:44] which roles were available and which people were available.

[00:12:47] So like, you know, when Avery goes in to make her choice,

[00:12:50] like she doesn't know she's nominated kind of vibes.

[00:12:53] Yeah, I go back and forth about that

[00:12:55] because I do agree on the one hand, like, yeah, it's nice to have everyone

[00:12:58] kind of do it blindly of, oh, here are the roles for you pick what you can.

[00:13:02] But I do love moments where Anthony comes in, for instance,

[00:13:05] and is like trying to work backwards what he thinks just happened

[00:13:08] in the previous 10 minutes of like, oh, well, I think Bailey picked this

[00:13:12] and then Todd must have picked this and then maybe Tola picked this.

[00:13:15] And I think again, that's going to lead to a lot of like, yeah, fun

[00:13:18] whisperings and assumptions that's really going to bubble to the forefront

[00:13:21] in this episode. I mean, really the headline out of this

[00:13:24] wild twist is perhaps the decimation of the hot chocolate alliance.

[00:13:30] Because they come in, we start this episode and more like

[00:13:34] briefly touch upon any sort of pre movie night madness shenanigans.

[00:13:38] Because I guess it does set up maybe a bit in terms of TNT's big move

[00:13:42] and whether or not that came to fruition.

[00:13:44] But, you know, hot chocolate had been this alliance that had

[00:13:47] pretty much been running the season up to this point

[00:13:51] and was certainly building to an interesting tension point where

[00:13:55] Anthony's closest ally ends up going really at the hands of the rest

[00:13:58] of the alliance and it was starting to size up to become something

[00:14:02] pretty interesting. And then, lo and behold, big brother ends up

[00:14:04] throwing a twist into perhaps curtail those plans.

[00:14:08] But now despite the fact that Kayla just won a POV

[00:14:12] and there's a chance that Victoria will probably not nominate someone

[00:14:16] unless she decides to spicy veed and put up maybe someone like Anthony.

[00:14:20] There is still a chance that this powerful alliance

[00:14:22] at least has touched the block, which Matt I think is a pretty big deal

[00:14:26] considering the iron grip they had over the season so far.

[00:14:29] It is. I mean, coming out of last week,

[00:14:31] Matt goes home, it seems like from where I'm sitting that Kayla

[00:14:34] and spicy are in the best top three positions in the game.

[00:14:39] Maybe not exactly at the top because you still have like the Baileys

[00:14:42] and Todd, but like Bailey specifically who like now comes out

[00:14:45] totally in the middle of the groups that may be warring with each other.

[00:14:47] And now no one's looking at Bailey.

[00:14:48] Taren Taren said that cast or two, you know, in the time this all started going down.

[00:14:54] But now you have this world where the episode at the beginning,

[00:14:57] I thought, did a very good job in setting up the fact that Todd is now

[00:15:01] we're down. We're down in numbers, Todd, who somebody nobody was considering

[00:15:04] throughout most of the season so far and, you know, fair enough.

[00:15:07] But at this point, Todd has been placed alongside

[00:15:10] with that group of Kayla, Spicy and

[00:15:14] and Avery where, you know, hot chocolate has still existed,

[00:15:18] but like they kind of split off and they were like, oh, we're on this side.

[00:15:20] You're on the side. But we always come together.

[00:15:22] It's about hot chocolate.

[00:15:23] So then, you know, the Kayla and Spicy side, they have Bailey and Todd,

[00:15:28] but maybe they don't have Todd anymore.

[00:15:30] And then the way that this episode plays out where they certainly don't seem to have

[00:15:33] Todd as ironclad as they thought they did, because Todd puts one of the

[00:15:36] puts another one of them up to ensure that is two of those people

[00:15:40] on his supposed side going up.

[00:15:43] Now you have a world where the vote essentially be controlled by Anthony,

[00:15:47] Tola, Todd and Lexis.

[00:15:49] We'll see what happens with all these conversations if,

[00:15:52] you know, that group with Spicy can pull back in Alexis or Todd.

[00:15:55] But if Anthony is able to get his claws on them and say,

[00:15:58] we need to make sure that one of Spicy's numbers go, then Avery is out of here.

[00:16:03] There's a lot. Yeah.

[00:16:04] About how. Yeah.

[00:16:05] Well, I think it just goes to show like

[00:16:08] we get information from digital dailies, but it's just not the same

[00:16:13] because we don't have the full context of these dynamics.

[00:16:17] And we can only have the context

[00:16:20] that the show is choosing to give to us, right?

[00:16:22] Which is a huge downside to actually analyzing what's happening.

[00:16:27] I hate like I hate to just constantly be like be complaining about no life.

[00:16:32] But it's just like it makes it harder for us to do our job

[00:16:36] because we don't know all of the moving pieces the way that we would otherwise.

[00:16:41] But I do think like through last week's episodes,

[00:16:44] V talks a lot about, well, you know, like

[00:16:48] we have to pick off of each other's sides and your side needs to just win.

[00:16:51] Like, sorry, we're not going to keep it fair.

[00:16:53] Your side needs to win.

[00:16:55] And that is just not going to give, you know, goodwill to the others.

[00:16:59] So then they will put in the work to pick up new numbers.

[00:17:03] Yeah. So the last thing we see before the massacre begins

[00:17:07] is TNT about to blow up the house here.

[00:17:10] And it's really interesting to pair this with

[00:17:13] as I watched the Matt Eviction episode last night to catch up

[00:17:16] in the conversation that Todd and Elijah have

[00:17:18] processing around the backyard where it's like basically the same conversation.

[00:17:22] Right. It's like, yeah, you realize that we're kind of under the thumb

[00:17:26] of these three women. OK, yeah, we're going to have to take a shot at them

[00:17:29] sooner rather than later.

[00:17:30] This was obviously much more explicit in that.

[00:17:32] Todd really seems to follow the the Rob Sesson, you know, adage, right?

[00:17:36] And starts waking up halfway through the game

[00:17:39] and deciding Kayla is the one to go after.

[00:17:42] And I thought again, under the assumption

[00:17:45] that this was going to be one self-contained round in an episode,

[00:17:48] I thought she was gone.

[00:17:49] So tell me the umpteen surprise of many at the end of this episode

[00:17:54] when she ends up winning the veto.

[00:17:55] But, Kristen, from your perspective, is Kayla the right target

[00:17:58] if you're a Todd and a Tola here?

[00:18:01] I mean, I don't think so

[00:18:05] because I think that Todd and Tola just don't

[00:18:09] they don't have enough control.

[00:18:11] Like, I think all the people that they're relying on have other

[00:18:15] people that they're more loyal to.

[00:18:17] Like, I just don't know.

[00:18:19] I don't even know if there is a right target for Todd and Tola

[00:18:21] at this point with how the numbers have diminished.

[00:18:24] I don't know.

[00:18:26] I would say it's not not not the worst, not not the correct target.

[00:18:31] I think it, you know, when you're when you're looking at the three

[00:18:34] women as who they would potentially be going after, you have obviously

[00:18:37] Kayla, spicy, Avery, a spicy, you know,

[00:18:41] a lot of people have had a lot of thoughts about spicy in her gameplay

[00:18:44] throughout the season.

[00:18:45] One I can't know she has gotten herself in such a good spot socially

[00:18:50] with so many people, she still remains to me at the top of the house

[00:18:53] as far as on a social level.

[00:18:54] I think if she sat in the block next to anybody last week, this week,

[00:18:57] next week, I think she's got the votes because people feel like

[00:19:00] she's done a good enough job connecting with everybody to the point

[00:19:03] where even though she has no by no means has like Tola's best interests in mind,

[00:19:08] she's had enough conversations with him where Tola would believe that

[00:19:12] spicy could be on his side quicker than Kayla would be.

[00:19:16] So and Avery, I think as well has done a good job connecting with

[00:19:19] a handful of people.

[00:19:20] She didn't want to send that home last week, just came up from allies

[00:19:23] and, you know, is she herself realize that it was made a lot of sense

[00:19:27] for her alliance?

[00:19:28] But I think that Kayla is the one of the three that has the least

[00:19:31] genuine, authentic conversations with some of those guys like Tola

[00:19:35] and Todd, where they really go through like they go through Bailey to talk about

[00:19:39] two, they don't do it all.

[00:19:42] So I mean, Tola could, you know, just throw whatever at the wall,

[00:19:45] pick any of the three of them and he'd be fine.

[00:19:47] But I think Kayla stands out as as why, you know, one that they could all agree on.

[00:19:52] And it's kind of like the mat now on the spicy side

[00:19:56] of where Matt was last week of just like this is an extra person

[00:20:00] who doesn't really fit into our end game.

[00:20:03] Yeah, I think from specifically from the Todd perspective,

[00:20:06] because I'm a little more honed in on that than the Tola perspective.

[00:20:10] Again, it's a little bit of a game of inches, but there's not much of a Tola

[00:20:12] perspective told throughout the season.

[00:20:15] We really don't see a lot of Tola just in general.

[00:20:18] But if I'm Todd, I'm sort of trying to do what the three women

[00:20:22] have been doing this entire time, which is like trying to strategically take

[00:20:27] shots. It's like playing a game of Jenga where it's like,

[00:20:29] if I'm going to remove a piece, let me try to take out a piece

[00:20:32] that still has my structure remaining relatively stable.

[00:20:35] And I think for Todd, he wants to make sure he's connected to Bailey.

[00:20:38] Like that seems to be a relationship that I think he still wants to invest in.

[00:20:41] I had heard a little bit of scuttlebutt around Matt's eviction about how maybe

[00:20:45] Todd and Bailey were looking to swap over to like the whole Anthony Tola side

[00:20:50] that they were maybe starting to eyeball those three girls as well.

[00:20:52] And so I think, you know, Bailey is going to lay this out

[00:20:56] as she's going to cast as her first role here right up like,

[00:20:59] well, I don't trust a lot of people, but the only people I trust

[00:21:02] are Avery, Victoria and Todd.

[00:21:05] I think if Todd has that knowledge of that literal hit list, then he goes, OK,

[00:21:09] who's someone on that opposite side that I can take out who also won't piss off

[00:21:13] my number one ally and Kayla happens to be in the middle of that band diagram.

[00:21:17] So I think it's a good shot to take.

[00:21:19] It's ultimately going to miss.

[00:21:20] And I think that's what they're kind of forecasting next time is like,

[00:21:23] oh, shit, the two of us basically put Kayla up on the block.

[00:21:26] Now it's going to bounce back on us.

[00:21:28] But I think it made sense in the moment.

[00:21:31] But of course, that moment passes.

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[00:22:36] As everyone goes to sleep, they're woken up by a blaring red alert

[00:22:41] and are told to immediately evacuate to the HOA room.

[00:22:45] And Big Brother Canada does not half-ass anything either in no asses or at full asses.

[00:22:52] It's not like it's going to do all or nothing basically.

[00:22:56] And here we just get like one of the biggest aesthetic twists I have ever seen

[00:23:02] in the show's history.

[00:23:04] And it's understandable as it sets up what seems to be this night

[00:23:07] or from our perspective nights from hell.

[00:23:11] Well, I love I love making them pack their shit.

[00:23:14] That's so funny.

[00:23:16] Like, yeah, yours be scared.

[00:23:18] Pack it up. You don't know who's going home.

[00:23:20] I loved it.

[00:23:21] I just can't even imagine.

[00:23:23] I mean, you you hear them all start to scream.

[00:23:25] Adrenaline is pumping through veins like nobody's business.

[00:23:29] I can't imagine being in the house like it's it's, you know, one thing

[00:23:32] to just be watching it.

[00:23:33] But to be living through that, like Tola, who has been the quietest dude,

[00:23:37] you know, most mellow dude is like in the backyard screw.

[00:23:41] Like what are you?

[00:23:42] Oh, the thing is, like you're locked in the house.

[00:23:45] You would that alarm goes off.

[00:23:47] You're going to think, oh my God, is like they're a fire.

[00:23:49] Like it's another burning down right now.

[00:23:52] They thought it was another BB can eight situation.

[00:23:54] I was thinking that I was like, they're getting evacuated

[00:23:56] in a much more extreme measure this time.

[00:23:59] Like what's going on out there?

[00:24:00] Oh, I should hope that they are smarter.

[00:24:02] Well, I remember not to like talk too much about Big Brother US,

[00:24:05] but there was one time I remember very specifically where they

[00:24:09] broadcast a bunch of headlines and one of them made reference

[00:24:13] to the CBS series Jericho that was about like a virus.

[00:24:17] But nobody knew because, hey, nobody watched Jericho,

[00:24:20] let alone people that were cooped up inside a CBS Rad for a lot

[00:24:23] for months at a time.

[00:24:24] And so it's just like you're trying to play a game in this random thing

[00:24:27] timed across like, oh, yes, this new neuro virus has emerged in Jakarta.

[00:24:30] And you're like, well, how am I supposed to do anything about that now?

[00:24:33] Yeah. And famously, no one has watched Jericho to this day.

[00:24:38] Nope.

[00:24:40] People said in peanuts on time.

[00:24:42] I think they, you know, again, nobody's disputing the fact

[00:24:45] that production did their job on putting this whole thing together.

[00:24:49] The effects just creating the desired, you know, emotion in all of these houseguests

[00:24:54] where by the time they get to the backyard for this first competition,

[00:24:57] they're already, you know, there's their expect.

[00:24:58] We'll get into the competition where they're, you know, holding these chains up

[00:25:01] and they're all shaking the entire time as they're getting set up

[00:25:03] because everything is scaring the crap out of them as they go throughout

[00:25:06] the entire rest of the competition and the jump scares that come.

[00:25:09] They really made it to be this movie, you know, of just absolute horror

[00:25:14] and again, their job at that part.

[00:25:17] I will say there's been a lot to quibble over the semantics coming out

[00:25:21] with people quibbling a bit with the term of the movie Night Massacre.

[00:25:27] I think some people assume that massacre assumes multiple victims.

[00:25:34] I would agree based on grammar.

[00:25:37] Yeah, though, I mean, I think like emotional victims,

[00:25:39] there will certainly be a lot of people that will be left scarred by the end of this,

[00:25:42] you know, like they'll escape with their lives, but at what cost?

[00:25:46] They'll all have to talk to Dr. Stein after this one.

[00:25:49] Exactly. Well, let the mayhem begin.

[00:25:52] Everyone sits in there like oh, so neat recliner chairs was just like

[00:25:57] makes me feel from a sanitary perspective.

[00:25:59] I don't know if I'm ever going to go to those recliner seat theaters again

[00:26:02] just because I can't think about all the work that went into getting those

[00:26:06] out there as Arissa is basically going to introduce them to their first

[00:26:09] competition, which is like an endurance competition combined with sort of our

[00:26:13] typical stay in there for 100 minutes challenge where infamously the most

[00:26:18] famous example I can remember from BB can was Big Brother Canada five.

[00:26:22] Of course, when I could freak out over the bunny rabbit hopping all over her.

[00:26:26] Now, I'll admit I was ready to, you know,

[00:26:30] put on my conspiracy tin foil hat for a second and be like, OK,

[00:26:34] so they're holding up a jar with their arms for as long as possible.

[00:26:39] All right, which guy is going to take this?

[00:26:42] But no, Bailey continues to be the surprise of the season between personality,

[00:26:47] between strategy and between competition prowess. Yeah.

[00:26:51] The minute I saw those boxes, I was like, oh, they're going to dump bugs on them.

[00:26:57] There's if I was in that, I wouldn't put my head in the box.

[00:27:00] I'd be like, I don't need power tonight by the home.

[00:27:04] I'd rather be literally dead than have a worm dropped on me.

[00:27:08] No, I want to give them.

[00:27:10] Well, I want to give them the benefit of the doubt at least and say that.

[00:27:12] Do we all assume that they must have had those jars of whatever like proportioned

[00:27:17] based on like body weight or whatever?

[00:27:18] Like they were the same as Avery, right?

[00:27:22] I have to know that I trust them to do that.

[00:27:26] I wonder if maybe just it being changed instead of directly holding it

[00:27:31] made some sort of difference where the way wasn't as important.

[00:27:34] But like I highly doubt they measured all that stuff.

[00:27:38] Yeah, I mean, it could have just been like a technique perspective, right?

[00:27:41] Like if you're not immediately tensing up your arms from the first minute,

[00:27:44] then that could certainly help in terms of longevity.

[00:27:47] But again, I'll give some give massive kudos to Bailey,

[00:27:50] who was able to be also one of the most unfazed by all the literal shit

[00:27:54] that was thrown on them.

[00:27:55] So we had what fake blood, fake teeth.

[00:27:58] They just rent also.

[00:27:59] You know what?

[00:28:00] Through a platter of raw fish in there.

[00:28:02] Anyone who's been keeping an eye on the dailies enough to see

[00:28:05] like the Bailey and Anthony conversations that have gone on throughout the season

[00:28:08] should have known that Bailey would have a good chance in this

[00:28:10] because she is not afraid to go toe to toe with one of the most stubborn people

[00:28:13] in the house, Anthony Douglas, and she will have conversations with him.

[00:28:18] She will get into it with him.

[00:28:19] So the fact that Bailey was, you know, I guess, stubborn enough

[00:28:22] to stick it out through a competition like this where nothing was going

[00:28:25] to scare her away, make her arm shake, make her make anything.

[00:28:29] You know, it all just made a lot of sense by the end of it.

[00:28:32] I was very happy to see her be the one to take help.

[00:28:35] Yeah, I could see Bailey like she's kind of flirting with Anthony these days.

[00:28:40] So we flirted with Anthony and the big brother out.

[00:28:43] You got to be patient.

[00:28:45] I do feel bad for Kayla in multiple ways over the course of this episode,

[00:28:49] but it did seem like it was a little cheapo depot that like she drops

[00:28:53] immediately because the blood gets dumped on her Nickelodeon slime.

[00:28:56] So I'm like you can't prepare for that, right?

[00:28:59] Like you kind of have to get a little lucky that OK, I'm not shaky enough

[00:29:02] that when I'm hit with something that I would not have expected whatsoever.

[00:29:05] Everyone else could expect at least like now I have to anticipate

[00:29:09] something falling from the ceiling.

[00:29:10] They had no idea what was coming to them that first time.

[00:29:12] And she just I think out of pure shock kind of jostles her arm

[00:29:16] and it drops. And as a result, we get this whole waterfall where who knows?

[00:29:20] If she somehow lasted longer in the competition, if she beats out

[00:29:24] Todd and Tola as an example, then she doesn't end up on that block.

[00:29:27] Maybe. Yeah. Well, really, like

[00:29:31] you got to expect something is going to drop on you.

[00:29:34] Yeah, I mean, even if she lasted one or two more people past where she did,

[00:29:38] then she still ends up on the block, right?

[00:29:40] Yeah, Todd or Tola being at the end of the thing where they were

[00:29:43] or we're still going to put her up.

[00:29:44] And it was funny, Mike, as you alluded to earlier of like

[00:29:47] who were at the end of the Xen whoever went before Goose.

[00:29:50] I'm forgetting didn't have any choices left because there was only two spots

[00:29:54] of POV player left.

[00:29:56] So they went in there and Avery, I think she's looking at it.

[00:29:59] So I have two names here.

[00:30:01] There's two spots left and they really,

[00:30:03] I mean, not to completely cut ahead, but they were it seemed like

[00:30:05] that was a decision to be made, which was wild.

[00:30:07] But the long. Yeah.

[00:30:09] It's like going to the voting booth and like there's only one person

[00:30:12] running for the school board, right?

[00:30:13] Like there's no right in candidates for this, even though Victoria did try

[00:30:16] to like ask for like, excuse me, I am a returning player production.

[00:30:19] Can I jostle these up really quick?

[00:30:21] Is there a coup d'etat around here?

[00:30:23] She's like, I am the head of household.

[00:30:25] So can I make a change?

[00:30:27] Doesn't hurt to ask.

[00:30:28] Well, this too, like so V is not going to be able to play in the next HOH

[00:30:33] and very likely could be losing Avery.

[00:30:36] Tough, tough blow for V here.

[00:30:38] We'll see. Listen, if Jag was able to be the invisible HOH and play again.

[00:30:43] I'll say that name.

[00:30:45] Anything possible in the world of Big Brother.

[00:30:48] And speaking of which, so let's get to the reason why we're talking here.

[00:30:53] Let's talk about we got through this competition.

[00:30:55] We have our order and we're wondering what the hell is going on.

[00:30:57] We're picking a number.

[00:30:58] We're standing in line in line for what?

[00:31:01] And it turns out that our Big Brother players

[00:31:04] have taken a page out of Robin Cass's book

[00:31:06] and have become casting directors in and of themselves.

[00:31:10] So they walk it so they walk into the backyard

[00:31:13] and they see the jankiest squid game knockoffs I've ever seen.

[00:31:18] But I'm pretty sure they just took glow in the dark spike tape

[00:31:21] and just put them across like Jabba walkies mess.

[00:31:24] They got from the Halloween store, but I love it.

[00:31:26] But they are given a set of roles.

[00:31:30] There is safe, which is automatically slotted into Bailey, HOH,

[00:31:34] slot pass to nominees, three POV players

[00:31:39] and a no eviction vote slot.

[00:31:42] So safe, but cannot vote.

[00:31:44] And so basically this is a little safety chain adjacent.

[00:31:48] I would say it's like safety chains, kind of weird cousin

[00:31:51] from the other part of the country and that we're going in a bit of a detour

[00:31:55] from the way Big Brother is usually done.

[00:31:58] But there is some similar DNA, I would say, you know,

[00:32:00] there still was a veto competition.

[00:32:02] There are still going to be an eviction vote.

[00:32:04] We are still emerging from this week with an HOH with nominees, etc.

[00:32:09] But the way we get there is completely unconventional.

[00:32:13] So let's put the structural issues aside.

[00:32:15] Matt has like a social strategy competition.

[00:32:19] What did you think about this?

[00:32:21] And how much did it take you out of the rest of what Big Brother is supposed to be?

[00:32:26] I would say not that much.

[00:32:27] It didn't it didn't take me that much of normal there

[00:32:30] because we still are looking at a word of these Big Brother roles.

[00:32:33] It was just a very non-traditional way of how we were filling the roles.

[00:32:37] And I really didn't hate it.

[00:32:38] I really didn't hate the concept of the game, at least trying it once

[00:32:41] because between this discussion that we're going to have right now,

[00:32:44] seeing everybody's opinions who are watching, I want to hear

[00:32:48] as to say about this, I want to all like discuss like, was this fun?

[00:32:52] It was something that we should do again.

[00:32:53] Because again, by my initial thought as I'm watching this,

[00:32:56] I'm like, this is very intriguing.

[00:32:57] I don't think we've seen something like this before if we haven't forgetting about it.

[00:33:01] And just to see like the the casting aspect of it, of like,

[00:33:05] you know, the Italy has to decide who she should know.

[00:33:08] She she has the whole board of players.

[00:33:10] Do you feel the HOH spot or do you feel a nominee spot?

[00:33:13] And my brain is racing, watching her do that, of saying like,

[00:33:16] I think she has to put a nominee up.

[00:33:17] And then I'm like, but wait, if she doesn't do that, then, you know,

[00:33:20] Tola's next and Tola is going to put himself as HOH.

[00:33:22] Then if somebody comes a million thoughts through your brain of

[00:33:26] what they move and we're probably going to talk about, you know,

[00:33:27] what they should or shouldn't have done.

[00:33:29] But just the possibilities, I think, were keeping me invested enough

[00:33:33] that I was like, even if this isn't, you know, exactly what we've known

[00:33:36] Big Brother to be, it's like to me, like, and Mike, maybe, you know,

[00:33:39] you can speak on my thought process about this comparison.

[00:33:41] But Australian Survivor will do just the most wild twist on any given week.

[00:33:46] And we're like, well, this isn't Survivor, but it's Australian Survivor.

[00:33:50] So like maybe this isn't Big Brother, but it's Big Brother Canada.

[00:33:53] Yeah, Kirsten, what about you?

[00:33:55] I know you had spoken about before about how what we watched wasn't Big Brother.

[00:33:59] But did you enjoy it?

[00:34:01] I did not enjoy it.

[00:34:02] I feel like I'm kind of in the middle as to like the I think

[00:34:06] if we had gotten all of it in one shot, I would enjoy it a lot more.

[00:34:11] Like, does that make sense?

[00:34:12] Like, though, just like a one time kind of aberration, right?

[00:34:16] OK, we took care of this.

[00:34:17] Now we can get back to our regularly scheduled program for lack of a better

[00:34:20] time. Yes, exactly.

[00:34:21] Like I think if we had just gotten to see who went home, then it's like, OK,

[00:34:26] we got through it all and it was fun.

[00:34:27] But the fact that we didn't get to see an actual conclusion

[00:34:30] just left it feeling really unsatisfying for me personally.

[00:34:34] I think it's tough.

[00:34:37] I it's unfortunate that when we see Bailey, when finally it's in just safety

[00:34:43] and she doesn't actually have, you know, that age, age, power,

[00:34:45] because I would love to see how she wields that.

[00:34:47] Oh, man, yes.

[00:34:49] Like, I really I really want to see Bailey as an age, age.

[00:34:52] But I think she I think she needed to put like nominate someone.

[00:34:59] Yeah, so let's let's talk about that before we do.

[00:35:02] I will say that I I really enjoy this.

[00:35:06] I think for me, it's not that I thought we were sort of like belaying a

[00:35:10] row outcoming. Who knows?

[00:35:12] Maybe if Bailey had one HOH, we would have gotten, you know,

[00:35:15] Tola and Elijah nominations and then like, OK, we just sort of play it out

[00:35:19] and move on with things.

[00:35:20] But I just am still wrapping my head around all the configurations

[00:35:26] that this can bring up because there's this idea of, OK,

[00:35:30] what role do I put people into based on not just where they are now,

[00:35:35] but like what could happen later?

[00:35:36] You know, let me who do I put as HOH knowing that they could possibly

[00:35:40] nominate somebody?

[00:35:41] Who do I put as a POV player versus having them giving them a slot pass

[00:35:46] or giving them no eviction vote, basically sitting them out of the power

[00:35:48] of veto competition.

[00:35:50] And then on top of that, as you talked about, there's this additional element

[00:35:54] of, well, there are people going after me.

[00:35:56] So since it's sort of like first come, first serve,

[00:36:00] do I purposely take a certain name off the board so they can't be

[00:36:04] utilized by other people?

[00:36:05] I think there's a lot of really delicious complications that are involved in this

[00:36:10] to the point where I kind of want it to be like another show in and of itself.

[00:36:15] Like, I kind of want this to be.

[00:36:16] There was a game, an online game awhile back, I think called like Totem Pole

[00:36:20] that would sort of do a schoolyard pick style every single round.

[00:36:24] And then like whoever was on the bottom,

[00:36:25] the last pick would end up getting eliminated.

[00:36:27] And I kind of like that as just a style of elimination each and every time,

[00:36:31] I don't know if we need like a big brother-esque format to it.

[00:36:35] But it was throwing like a little bit of House of Villains in there as well,

[00:36:38] because they have a big brother-esque format.

[00:36:40] I think there's so much new stuff there.

[00:36:42] And the new stuff wasn't to me so either confusing or ridiculous

[00:36:47] or detrimental to the game that it had me throwing up my hands in anger.

[00:36:50] So like with the low bar that big brother twists usually are,

[00:36:54] it freaking cleared it like a thoroughbred.

[00:36:57] And I had a great time doing this again.

[00:37:00] Perfect world to curse this point.

[00:37:02] I wish it would see through to completion.

[00:37:04] But if this means that we get more inner personal drama

[00:37:07] from what's about to unfold as we're about to get into, then I'm all for it.

[00:37:10] And I think we could also maybe tweak some of the casting spots.

[00:37:15] Like Slot Pass does nothing for us tonight,

[00:37:17] you know, to make us excited about who got the Slot Pass.

[00:37:22] But I don't know specifically what other roles they could have cast.

[00:37:25] But I think other things that have to do with the game

[00:37:28] and spots that could really affect something like if somebody could get a double vote,

[00:37:31] like somebody gets two votes in this eviction or something like that,

[00:37:34] just cast other things that are more worthwhile.

[00:37:38] Like, you know, give you more intrigue

[00:37:39] because by the time that we got the HOH, the two nominees,

[00:37:42] and I would say even with Anthony is like,

[00:37:44] who doesn't get to vote that he places goose on?

[00:37:47] I think after that it's like, OK,

[00:37:48] we're not doing anything else exciting all the way down to the end.

[00:37:51] So you could probably even maybe replace the POV spots.

[00:37:54] I think that they could continue to think on this and make it like perfect.

[00:37:58] I think even making instead of a Slot Pass

[00:38:02] make someone have not for an extended period of time,

[00:38:06] because I think there's a lot more drama that will come out of

[00:38:09] someone now has to be a have not because of someone else versus

[00:38:14] like how much gratitude is Anthony going to feel towards anybody for getting a Slot Pass?

[00:38:18] Like he's like, like that's just not that much.

[00:38:21] It's like, oh, thank you.

[00:38:22] And then they move on with their life and they're not miserable.

[00:38:24] Oh, you're making someone have not for the rest of the season for the next month.

[00:38:29] That's drama. They're going to be mad.

[00:38:31] Like if you're going to have have nots, make it dramatic or just incorporate

[00:38:35] what we adore about the prizes and punishments competition in Big Brother.

[00:38:40] Right? Like you can make some extra

[00:38:41] shots for like Paris Vacation or a dress up on wing vacation.

[00:38:46] And Wendy's breakfast dress up or dress up like a mealworm for the rest of the week.

[00:38:50] I feel like Big Brother Canada doesn't do a lot of like those

[00:38:52] individual punishments that are usually just like rife throughout the other US.

[00:38:58] Yeah, but it could be interesting as well,

[00:38:59] because we always see so much drama out of that Yankee swap competition of like

[00:39:04] so and so took this vacation away from me or I can't believe this person.

[00:39:08] A freaking unit. I can't believe this.

[00:39:10] Like I think it could be interesting,

[00:39:12] especially with a cast that can be occasionally as petty as this

[00:39:15] to see someone individually do it.

[00:39:18] But under the guise of anonymity could be like a very fun middle ground to strike.

[00:39:22] Yeah. And then like in BB can five, when they did the have not cookie thing,

[00:39:26] then they show the footage to everybody afterwards so you know exactly who did it.

[00:39:31] All right. Well, let's start getting into these picks as we start with Bailey.

[00:39:37] And so Bailey is going to go back and forth again.

[00:39:39] She gives us our own short list saying like, OK,

[00:39:41] the people that I do trust is I want to make sure that Avery, Victoria

[00:39:45] and Todd are safe.

[00:39:47] Well, two out of three ain't bad as we're about to get into perhaps

[00:39:51] prognosticating in what's to come.

[00:39:52] And so she is ultimately going to choose Victoria as the HOH, which as a reminder,

[00:39:59] obviously, the HOH did not set their own nominees,

[00:40:02] even though it would not be totally unbecoming of Victoria to nominate a woman.

[00:40:06] These were not her nominees.

[00:40:08] And but because Kayla won the veto and will

[00:40:10] assumedly be losing using it on herself, she still does have the opportunity

[00:40:14] to re nominate.

[00:40:16] So we will have in Tuesday's episode, hopefully Victoria, at least Victoria's

[00:40:20] re nomination. So it's even a lot of back and forth in the scuttle but of,

[00:40:25] you know, Big Brother Canada, Twitter as sort of like small as it is about

[00:40:29] whether or not this was the right decision for her to make,

[00:40:33] especially considering what befell Avery and Kayla thereafter.

[00:40:37] Kirsten, where do you stand?

[00:40:39] I think it would have been more interesting for her to make a nomination.

[00:40:44] But it is also tricky knowing that

[00:40:47] Tola is going to be the next one coming in.

[00:40:49] Maybe you don't want Tola deciding who the HOH is more than you want.

[00:40:53] Then you don't want him deciding a nominee.

[00:40:56] I don't know.

[00:40:57] So you end up in a world where if Bailey decided like just to play it out

[00:41:01] and it's also so interesting, of course,

[00:41:03] the fact that they know who's going in next after them.

[00:41:05] Like suppose there was somehow that this worked where they didn't know

[00:41:08] who was next and Bailey just has to, you know, blindly decide what role,

[00:41:12] but like not knowing that Tola is the next one to come in again.

[00:41:14] There's so many like this that if they tweaked it in this or that

[00:41:16] direction that it could just be even crazier.

[00:41:18] But knowing the information that she knows,

[00:41:21] suppose she puts up a nominee and I think, I don't know,

[00:41:24] Tola is probably the number one person that she would say, you know,

[00:41:26] this person's not great for my game. Let me put him on the board.

[00:41:29] She will. So Tola can't put himself as the HOH when he goes in there next.

[00:41:34] But the next closest person to him, if he feels good with Todd,

[00:41:37] let's say he decides that he's going to put Todd on the board there.

[00:41:40] Then I'll hold no.

[00:41:41] I think he definitely put Anthony up there.

[00:41:42] If I really says probably what she's assuming, right?

[00:41:44] Probably. I mean.

[00:41:46] Because for how many weeks were they talking about, oh,

[00:41:48] we have to take Tola out because it weakens Anthony?

[00:41:50] Like is that the perception of him at this point?

[00:41:53] The perception. But I would say it's still just like,

[00:41:55] I don't know how much like gravity that conversation had with Todd and Tola

[00:41:59] of like how good they felt with each other coming out of that of like,

[00:42:02] Anthony still does seem like he's working with spicy to an extent,

[00:42:04] even though she's

[00:42:07] so I don't know. But either way.

[00:42:08] So if if Anthony or Todd ends in that HOH seat,

[00:42:11] it's probably not going to be a good renown for what Bailey wants.

[00:42:14] So suppose you barely puts Tola on the block,

[00:42:16] then Todd is going to then come in after Tola and who's Todd going to put up?

[00:42:21] Like having that power of HOH and Anthony or Todd's hands, whoever it is,

[00:42:25] that Bailey will not have like Bailey would have some control if it was Todd.

[00:42:29] But if Anthony she doesn't have control and then

[00:42:31] so I get where she's coming from by saying,

[00:42:34] let me put in like the next most powerful position,

[00:42:36] somebody that I trust, because if we have the worst case scenario play

[00:42:40] out, which she did of the two nominees end up being two people

[00:42:43] that she's working very closely with, there's a chance that one of them comes down.

[00:42:47] And the next most powerful, the only person left

[00:42:50] that is going to have power to put somebody on the nomination block in this game

[00:42:54] should be somebody that I trust.

[00:42:55] So I get it, but I still I still could see it going in other ways.

[00:43:00] No, do you think Matt, what if she had picked either Kayla or Avery as HOH

[00:43:08] instead of because he is much more like insulated?

[00:43:11] Well, we should point this out actually.

[00:43:13] Avery was not allowed to be HOH.

[00:43:15] It was part of the car.

[00:43:16] Oh, right. Yes.

[00:43:16] But she was not allowed to nominate the outgoing HOH as HOH again.

[00:43:20] And so she said, they specifically said, right, that she wanted spicy Avery or Todd's

[00:43:26] safe. She didn't even mention Kayla, which makes sense because Avery kept her

[00:43:29] safe this week, feeling good with the women.

[00:43:31] But like specifically spicy, spicy is like her number two.

[00:43:34] Aside from Todd, you know, you can go back and forth of which one Bailey

[00:43:37] would be more loyal to at this point.

[00:43:39] Bailey has Bailey.

[00:43:41] Victoria is a good job of keeping Bailey so close and like saving Bailey

[00:43:44] from like the brink of death after Donna went home and Bailey was brought into that side.

[00:43:49] So if she doesn't go V, I mean, she would have gone Todd.

[00:43:54] Yeah, yeah, true.

[00:43:56] Yeah. So it's tough.

[00:43:57] Like I do think on paper, if you are the first to go,

[00:44:00] I feel like the majority of the time your decision should be like lock in

[00:44:03] one of the two nominees.

[00:44:04] Like, yes, there's a chance they could come off.

[00:44:06] But like that is you sort of serving as an HOH in your own way,

[00:44:09] even though you will not be HOH.

[00:44:11] But again, what makes this game so much fun is thinking about the decisions

[00:44:15] thereafter where if I'm Bailey and I knock in one of the nominees,

[00:44:20] I would imagine that like, OK, Todd probably, I mean, Tola

[00:44:23] probably either locks in a girl as either a nominee or very crucially

[00:44:28] no eviction vote because let's also look at this situation, right?

[00:44:31] The house, as we saw it, was cleanly divided in two.

[00:44:35] It takes four votes to evict.

[00:44:37] And I think another reason why it reads a little bit up a creek right now

[00:44:41] is because Victoria can't vote and Goose can't vote.

[00:44:45] And so four is the magic number.

[00:44:48] That's all you need.

[00:44:49] And so if you have like a Todd Tola one to punch of putting a girl

[00:44:54] as a nominee and a no eviction vote, or hell, if Todd decides

[00:44:58] to stick loyal to Bailey and like does something else entirely

[00:45:00] and then Lexus comes in who has become very recently scorned

[00:45:05] by the women and decides to give a girl either a nominee or a no eviction vote.

[00:45:10] That's it. Game over.

[00:45:11] You have to hope for a veto and a Hail Mary like an Anthony backdoor

[00:45:15] as we're about to get into.

[00:45:17] So ironically enough, it did feel like the safer thing to do,

[00:45:21] even though it did end up resulting in two of her allies going up on the block.

[00:45:26] Even as we're talking through all of this, it's like you're trying to

[00:45:29] out like, look.

[00:45:31] What is she going to have decided after all this is said and done?

[00:45:34] And the fact that, you know, where these roles ended up of Elijah being

[00:45:37] the one that can't vote and like the four votes would then would then become three.

[00:45:43] Goose is not on the block, right?

[00:45:45] There would be one less vote.

[00:45:49] The votes are the same.

[00:45:50] And he doesn't have a vote anyway.

[00:45:52] But if somebody that does have a vote ends up on the block.

[00:45:56] Am I doing the math wrong?

[00:45:57] Like, does that then become three votes plus Victoria than carry the day?

[00:46:02] Right. So then it would be it's six people voting.

[00:46:05] But if Goose is part of those six and doesn't vote, then it's five.

[00:46:09] So all you need is three votes.

[00:46:11] And then, yeah.

[00:46:14] Well, OK.

[00:46:15] And then I now that we're really talking through it.

[00:46:18] So Bailey stayed in that disgusting box, holding up the jar of blood for so long.

[00:46:24] And she just gets to pick first.

[00:46:27] Is that even that much power?

[00:46:31] Really? Yes.

[00:46:32] Only in the sense that.

[00:46:35] Well, OK, being very results oriented, if she had not, like if she was out

[00:46:39] in the top couple of picks before is out, Tola's putting her up as a nominee.

[00:46:45] So yeah, but like it ended up working out for her.

[00:46:48] But that's very results oriented.

[00:46:49] Like it's like she's fine.

[00:46:52] But I don't know that this is a power equivalent to winning a competition

[00:46:56] like that where you would be a head of households.

[00:46:58] Right. So like I'm trying to think how could they change things?

[00:47:02] And I think it would be almost more interesting if it was like, OK,

[00:47:08] the first person, the last person out can set up the whole board.

[00:47:12] And then the next person could go in and like make however many swaps.

[00:47:16] And then at the end, Bailey gets to go in and like make three swaps or something.

[00:47:20] Then that gives her power way more than just making one pick at the start.

[00:47:24] I guess it's this idea right of it's a massacre.

[00:47:28] No one is safe that they feel like becoming the only guaranteed person

[00:47:32] safe is like the ultimate moniker, even though, again,

[00:47:35] they're about to make another person safe immediately in her choice in Victoria.

[00:47:39] I mean, I think honestly sort of do what they did with the safety chain

[00:47:42] and just like make the competition winner the sort of like prototypical

[00:47:46] head of household and just have them pick from there.

[00:47:49] But also Bailey is able to benefit from the fact that she kind of wipes

[00:47:52] her hands quite literally clean of the whole situation as much as she

[00:47:55] wouldn't want to lose somebody.

[00:47:57] She could just be like, great, it wasn't my picks.

[00:47:59] I just made Victoria Hoh and the rest of history.

[00:48:02] Hell, I am trying to reach and she makes the ring.

[00:48:04] She gets to play next week, which is good.

[00:48:06] And I like what you're saying, Carson, about like how Bailey should have

[00:48:09] should have had last to say as to what went on here.

[00:48:12] Just I think imagine that everybody else gets to go in before her.

[00:48:16] You're probably looking at a world where everybody just goes

[00:48:18] and then changes the nominees to whatever they want.

[00:48:20] And then like all of the other roles kind of stay the same

[00:48:22] or they're changing their nominee or Hoh.

[00:48:24] She but again, her going in last and having the power to then change

[00:48:28] whatever she sees the board as and whatever is the most important

[00:48:31] to her to change, whether that's taking Kayla or Avery down or changing

[00:48:34] the Hoh to something more preferred.

[00:48:37] It would have been more beneficial or more important power for what she won.

[00:48:41] I think like like I'm picturing it and this is just like very,

[00:48:46] very loose brainstorm so it might just be like a crazy idea.

[00:48:48] But that's what we're doing on Big Brother Canada now.

[00:48:50] So like let's talk about a crazy idea.

[00:48:52] So OK, let's say like I guess.

[00:48:57] Kayla can't go in at all.

[00:48:58] OK, Avery is the first to go in or whatever.

[00:49:00] Avery goes in and she can set up the whole board.

[00:49:04] But then the next person will go in, which I guess was goose.

[00:49:08] I can't remember the order that well.

[00:49:09] So they can switch like they can make two swaps.

[00:49:13] Then the next person goes in.

[00:49:15] They can make two swaps, but they can't swap the category

[00:49:18] that the last person swapped.

[00:49:19] Like if goose swapped nom's, you can't swap not.

[00:49:22] That kind of vibe. And then it goes on the end of the office game.

[00:49:25] Yankee swap right up like, oh, you can't pick the gift that was just swapped.

[00:49:28] But yeah, this other swap.

[00:49:29] But then we're combining what I want to do for the game.

[00:49:32] Like three three switches and she can change anything she wants

[00:49:36] or something like that to make it like quite powerful.

[00:49:40] Also, then this would have taken seven episodes for them to go

[00:49:43] if they had to go through with.

[00:49:45] I mean, this is why it should be at my show.

[00:49:47] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:49:49] But it's also like they could edit this show differently.

[00:49:52] And they could like if they hadn't bait and switched us

[00:49:56] and told us that it was an eviction, it wouldn't be so annoying that it wasn't

[00:50:00] like they really advertised it and made it seem like someone was going home

[00:50:04] in this episode and then no one went like it's what's just be honest

[00:50:09] with us and give us appropriate expectations and then we won't be let down.

[00:50:12] You know? All right.

[00:50:14] Well, let's move into our next pick here.

[00:50:16] And it is indeed Tola.

[00:50:19] And this is where he's going to take advantage, right?

[00:50:22] He finally has that bit of power as the closest he's gone to being in the head

[00:50:25] of household. And so he is going to strike and he really waivers between.

[00:50:29] OK, do I take the shot at Kayla or since I know Todd's going right after me,

[00:50:34] do I lock in the pawn in Avery and just assume the title put up Kayla?

[00:50:39] I think he was totally right to put up Kayla.

[00:50:41] Yes, I think he is going to obviously earn her wrath next episode

[00:50:45] because I could also imagine Todd is totally going to fess up and be like,

[00:50:49] oh, no, when I came in, your name was already up there.

[00:50:51] But I do think that if you're Tola, yes,

[00:50:55] Todd has communicated this big plan to you.

[00:50:57] But like considering your game up to this point, how much can you trust that?

[00:51:02] They've been gunning for you as you both talked about before,

[00:51:05] like how much more blood are you getting on your hands considering

[00:51:08] how many times you've been targeted by her alliance by just not outright

[00:51:12] targeting her? Yeah.

[00:51:14] No, I'm like.

[00:51:16] I don't know.

[00:51:16] Good, you're good.

[00:51:19] OK, I feel like something that we're often criticizing is when people

[00:51:23] do get power and big brother and they don't put up people that they're fine

[00:51:28] with it, like even if you're putting up a pawn, you should never nominate

[00:51:31] someone who you're not totally fine with them leaving the house, right?

[00:51:35] And so I really respect going and being like, no, you know what?

[00:51:38] I'm not dancing around it.

[00:51:40] I'm just putting up exactly who my target is period.

[00:51:43] Let's move on. It's going to be fine.

[00:51:45] Yeah, I think Tola and Todd, you can't take any with the way they decide

[00:51:49] to go about this because they're the two ones that had this plan of like,

[00:51:53] let's go for Kayla next.

[00:51:55] The only way to ensure that Kayla would go home for sure is,

[00:51:59] you know, on the block against one of her closest allies.

[00:52:02] Victoria is not an option at this point.

[00:52:03] Avery makes the most sense.

[00:52:04] So Todd has to do what he has to do to create obviously a riff

[00:52:08] because Avery did all of this.

[00:52:11] Victoria did all of this, like saving him with the crazy video a couple of weeks ago.

[00:52:15] Avery did not put Todd on the block when she very well could have and instead

[00:52:19] blindsided Matt, somebody who she felt good with.

[00:52:21] So there's going to be a lot that goes down to the next episode

[00:52:23] of trying to piece together what gets found out that he's the one

[00:52:28] that put Avery's name up there.

[00:52:29] She is not going to be very happy.

[00:52:30] And that's going to definitely even shift the house going forward

[00:52:33] of who Avery might have been targeting otherwise.

[00:52:35] But again, to go back to it, Todd and Tola,

[00:52:38] you can't take any issue with what they did.

[00:52:40] The fact that they used the nominee spots and the fact of who they use it on.

[00:52:43] I don't know who else I would say that they should have used it on,

[00:52:46] unless you're somebody who would argue that they should be going for Anthony

[00:52:49] because of course, there's still always going to be the factor of when do we

[00:52:52] take out Anthony? What's the right time?

[00:52:54] But given how the game is going at the moment where Anthony's number one

[00:52:57] just got evicted and this all powerful group of

[00:53:01] the three of them specifically plus Bailey, like they're starting

[00:53:03] to look like they're going to run the game, you have to take shot.

[00:53:07] And what's so interesting as well about the structure of this game is like

[00:53:11] Victoria was crowned the HOH, but because she finished at a much lower position.

[00:53:16] These two guys were basically the HOH.

[00:53:18] They were the ones that made the two nominations.

[00:53:21] And so that's what makes it so interesting.

[00:53:22] And that's also what I really like about this as well,

[00:53:24] is that as much as we don't want to necessarily come down

[00:53:27] to competitions and a social strategy game, I do like that

[00:53:30] it does benefit competitors as well that like, OK, these two guys

[00:53:34] are rewarded for finishing higher by essentially getting the right

[00:53:39] to make their nominations.

[00:53:40] And we get we were so screwed here as audience members of Lexis

[00:53:44] not finishing above Todd, because of the people that went to do nominations

[00:53:48] were Tola and Lexis. Oh my God, would have loved to see where Lexis lied

[00:53:52] after everything just if she would have put Avery up as, you know,

[00:53:57] a fellow hot chocolate member or if she would have stuck with the women

[00:54:00] and done something else.

[00:54:02] The whole beginning of the episode was it will she turn on them?

[00:54:04] She's considering it for sure.

[00:54:06] But she misses it by one spot of having the power to do so.

[00:54:09] So she ends up just a total play in the veto.

[00:54:11] Well, Anthony, though, assumes that that might be the case,

[00:54:14] which could be interesting, right?

[00:54:15] Like we saw with Anthony's first HOH, how much random rumors

[00:54:19] might factor into the way people think about it.

[00:54:21] If Anthony decides for whatever reason, like, yeah, we're really going

[00:54:24] to get this narrative sort of that Lexis was the one to take the first

[00:54:27] shot against hot chocolate instead of me.

[00:54:29] Like that could be really dangerous.

[00:54:31] But like you said, Matt, so Lexis walks in.

[00:54:34] She's shocked that Kayla and Avery are nominated,

[00:54:36] but it's probably also a little bit like serves you right.

[00:54:38] And she basically just picks Tola as a POV player and says, OK,

[00:54:43] I hope that Anthony will pick me.

[00:54:46] And so Anthony comes in here and yeah, Chris,

[00:54:48] what did you make of sort of him trying to backwards reason

[00:54:52] what happened?

[00:54:53] And is that something that these players should do,

[00:54:56] considering that these opinions may not be informed whatsoever?

[00:55:00] Yeah, I think that everybody going in should and probably was

[00:55:05] trying to work it all out.

[00:55:06] But I think that Anthony is just the most successful at that type

[00:55:10] of thinking right now.

[00:55:11] And so I think that's why we saw it from his perspective as well.

[00:55:16] But yeah, they should absolutely be trying to figure out what's going on

[00:55:18] because any piece of information you can get in Big Brother is useful,

[00:55:22] right? And I don't know.

[00:55:25] I think I also think he made the right choice,

[00:55:28] taking Gooses vote away in that spot.

[00:55:32] Well, I think I was just to say, as far as Lexus goes,

[00:55:36] we're on her decision at the moment.

[00:55:38] I think the biggest thing that I take away from this is is seeing.

[00:55:41] So up until this point, we've not like out of Lexus and Tola,

[00:55:46] but there's been enough chatter of the like, I guess,

[00:55:49] some of the drops are just in general of like Lexus.

[00:55:51] Lexus doesn't dislike Tola.

[00:55:53] She doesn't feel bad with him in the game.

[00:55:56] And obviously, she's got these negative feelings towards hot chocolate

[00:55:58] after they all just sent Matt home.

[00:56:00] So seeing that she puts Tola in no competition, saying,

[00:56:04] if Tola or I end up winning the veto, then she feels like

[00:56:07] the nominations are going to be OK.

[00:56:09] And she's fine with these two staying on the block because

[00:56:11] for kind of obvious reasons at this point.

[00:56:13] But Anthony was still an option to go up.

[00:56:15] And I know she feels great with Anthony after, you know,

[00:56:18] Anthony, Lexus and Matt were like, you know, by the time that

[00:56:22] Matt goes home, so just seeing that Lexus after the mad eviction,

[00:56:25] we see that Lexus literally goes up to Anthony is like,

[00:56:27] I'm so glad you're here. Thank you.

[00:56:29] They had a whole cry fest the day that Matt was leaving.

[00:56:32] They were they were sobbing in each other's arms, all three of them.

[00:56:35] So Anthony and Anthony are going to work together, you know,

[00:56:38] far as they for the in the coming weeks.

[00:56:41] But again, Lexus and Tola, I think, is going to be

[00:56:43] a very intriguing pairing going into whatever this vote ends up being.

[00:56:48] If Tola ends up on the block,

[00:56:49] is Lexus going to send home every or Tola?

[00:56:52] And now it seems like it could be either way.

[00:56:54] Yeah, what did we make as we take a little bit of a detour

[00:56:57] from the detour that was this game structure about like

[00:57:00] where Lexus goes from here because the women are trying their best.

[00:57:04] And then they're given the whole pump up speech of like,

[00:57:06] he's going to get taken care of out there.

[00:57:08] We're going to take care of you in here.

[00:57:10] You're going to see him and it's going to be the best day.

[00:57:12] But I don't know, Kirsten, maybe it's just because I'm like

[00:57:15] an emotionally petty son of a bitch.

[00:57:16] But like, how can if you're a Lexus, how can you not be like,

[00:57:20] what the hell did you just do?

[00:57:22] Yeah, I think that like for Lexus, it's fine.

[00:57:26] She wants to forgive, but she's not going to forget.

[00:57:28] And if they were so concerned about Lexus and the boys,

[00:57:32] then maybe she should have been one of the women targeted

[00:57:35] earlier in the season over, like, I don't know, Donna,

[00:57:38] if they were so concerned about someone who might not go

[00:57:41] straight with the girls alliance, you know?

[00:57:44] Yeah, Matt, what do you think?

[00:57:45] They're like, Lexus did a fantastic job the past couple of days

[00:57:48] from my perspective of not making overtly obvious with the rest

[00:57:52] of the women that she's mad about what's happening.

[00:57:54] Like she was very obviously upset, but not once

[00:57:56] that I ever see her in a conversation of even like

[00:57:59] really pushing too hard because she knew what they were going to do.

[00:58:02] Maybe in the back of her mind, she knew it was better

[00:58:04] that this happened now than her having to do it later.

[00:58:06] Like when going like had to happen at some point.

[00:58:12] And she again, she she put on a good front of like,

[00:58:15] I'm not devastated by this.

[00:58:16] And if she turns on them, it's not very obvious that it's going to happen to them.

[00:58:20] And then as far as Victoria goes with all of this,

[00:58:22] she's been doing this all season.

[00:58:24] She the way that she comforts people in times of like they're distressed.

[00:58:28] You got girl like Canada is going to love you.

[00:58:30] You're the move is going to be great and legendary.

[00:58:32] And you're going to be so good without Matt in this game.

[00:58:35] You're going to win.

[00:58:35] And then he's going to sweep you up and propose to you on finale night.

[00:58:38] And girl, you're going to be the player of the season.

[00:58:40] Like she does this whole song and dance with everybody to make them feel better.

[00:58:44] And from our perspective, it's just so obvious how fake it is.

[00:58:46] But like, I don't know what they're you know, what they're thinking.

[00:58:49] It's it's a lot.

[00:58:50] Yeah, like we also have the Internet and a bird's eye view.

[00:58:53] So it's a little different, obviously for them.

[00:58:56] Yeah.

[00:58:57] It's the same as like, I feel like a lot of Anthony's pep talks seem super canned,

[00:59:01] but they always go there.

[00:59:03] They both have obviously different styles of how they go into this.

[00:59:06] Like, Anthony will just pump you up and be like, you're a legend, bro.

[00:59:09] Like, you got this like, like, but they're saying the same thing.

[00:59:12] So oh, 100 percent.

[00:59:14] Yeah. And I almost wonder if she's like picking up on that.

[00:59:19] I would say so.

[00:59:20] Because he's probably doing it.

[00:59:21] That's the vibe I'm getting it.

[00:59:22] Yeah. He's like, we're going to be, you know, we're going to make history.

[00:59:25] The two returnies come back and they're going to let us get to the end.

[00:59:28] So I would say she's definitely getting lost out.

[00:59:30] We've got this. Right.

[00:59:31] It's like this thing of like, you know, what works for

[00:59:33] thee does not work for me.

[00:59:35] Like you're trying to do what I do to others and that can't work.

[00:59:38] And it's also interesting to always watch like every time we see Anthony

[00:59:43] handing out scripts for OK, here's what you're going to do.

[00:59:45] I just find it so interesting because like, yes, on the one hand, you're saying,

[00:59:49] oh my God, how are these people actually buying it?

[00:59:51] But I feel like in a game full of variables that is big brother,

[00:59:54] especially early on, like, yeah, sometimes you want that backbone, right?

[00:59:58] Sometimes you want some sort of skeletal structure and granted,

[01:00:01] it's not coming from an impartial party, but sometimes you do need

[01:00:04] somebody being like, all right, here's what you need to say.

[01:00:07] Running it through from A to Z.

[01:00:08] And let's talk about Anthony on that note because I really liked

[01:00:13] the decision that he made here, where it was less so about him

[01:00:18] because he wasn't left with a lot of options, right?

[01:00:19] The HOH was decided.

[01:00:21] The two nominees were decided.

[01:00:22] So it was kind of just left with the scraps.

[01:00:24] And so it's less so for him about the roles and it's more about the people.

[01:00:30] And basically he's looking at those that are left and he's saying, OK,

[01:00:34] who could work for me either as a vote or as a possible player

[01:00:39] in the competition to either change up the structure

[01:00:42] if I don't want hot chocolate to go or not if I do.

[01:00:46] And so I do think Todd could have been a good choice, right?

[01:00:50] As Todd vocalizes like he's not sure what Lexus will do to him

[01:00:53] because he was one of the key pivotal swing votes, at least what we saw

[01:00:58] that sent Matt home.

[01:00:59] And so from that perspective, you could be like, yeah, Todd,

[01:01:01] you're of no use to us.

[01:01:03] Like you're not going to vote with me.

[01:01:04] You're always going to vote against me.

[01:01:06] So let's take your vote off the table.

[01:01:08] But as he mentioned, like

[01:01:10] Elijah ain't doing it in competitions, especially compared to someone

[01:01:14] like Todd, who just came in third place in the most recent competition.

[01:01:18] And so as a result for the fifth week in a row, I believe Elijah

[01:01:24] will not be voting on a Viction night.

[01:01:26] And unfortunately, there is a very good chance, in my opinion,

[01:01:31] that that man will sit on the block once again, because the easiest thing to do

[01:01:36] if you're a Victorian, I think we'll talk about like what her options are moving forward.

[01:01:40] But if he's not going to vote anyway, he might as well not vote as a nominee.

[01:01:45] Yeah, very true.

[01:01:46] And it's also just like

[01:01:49] even when it's been an option to get rid of goose, people say they like,

[01:01:53] well, we're going to get rid of goose.

[01:01:54] Like, huh?

[01:01:56] He just is kind of irrelevant.

[01:01:59] I think in talking through this, I'm now thinking Lexus made a mistake

[01:02:03] in what she decided to put on the board, putting Tola on veto,

[01:02:06] because I didn't even cross my mind until now that whoever goes,

[01:02:10] it's like you're like plugging the holes of the board of like where it could be

[01:02:13] disastrous for your game and the nominee spots are already taken.

[01:02:17] You need to make sure that somebody else doesn't put your name in that no vote spot.

[01:02:20] You need to make sure you have the power to vote.

[01:02:23] And Lexus going in there and not filling that spot means that anybody

[01:02:27] could go in there next and put Lexus's name on the board in that no vote spot.

[01:02:30] And suddenly she has no say in what happens this week unless she wins the veto.

[01:02:33] But even still, you're not going to have a vote.

[01:02:35] So that seemed again, like the most important hole

[01:02:38] that needed to be plugged at that point.

[01:02:39] I think, you know, is filling it with goose for a reason, as he explains

[01:02:43] and as Mike, you were talking about.

[01:02:44] But at the very least, I think like by far and away,

[01:02:47] like he needed to put somebody on the board in that spot to just make sure he was good.

[01:02:52] Well, I think also what it ends up setting up, whether consciously or not,

[01:02:55] is like, OK, here's your renom.

[01:02:57] Just because again, what use is this person for not voting?

[01:03:02] And especially when OK, there's a chance that the POV is going to be used.

[01:03:06] Here's someone to serve up on a silver platter.

[01:03:09] And so from that capacity, like if you're looking at an Anthony backdoor,

[01:03:14] I say like make him that no vote position, like sweeten the pot a little bit

[01:03:17] by saying, well, he's not even going to vote.

[01:03:20] You might as well throw him up on the block and see what happens.

[01:03:23] But again, they didn't have necessarily the foresight to look ahead with that move.

[01:03:27] But as we'll talk about what Victoria is going to do with this renom,

[01:03:31] I think probably the leader in the clubhouse is going to be an Elijah renom

[01:03:35] just because listen, a man is a hoot or a honk.

[01:03:38] But like, I don't know what value he brings to an eviction night.

[01:03:43] I see. I think the big problem is we got kind of a preview of what's to come.

[01:03:48] And it looks like he is pitching backdooring Anthony.

[01:03:52] And I think Victoria is going to tell Anthony that Goose said that.

[01:03:55] And then Anthony is going to convince Victoria to put Goose up

[01:03:58] and Goose will go home for saying Anthony's name.

[01:04:00] I thought Goose at first as well.

[01:04:02] But again, as we're all talking through this, it's it's

[01:04:05] the possibilities are coming into my head of like, OK, well,

[01:04:08] why would you put Goose on the block?

[01:04:09] Goose has already like powers been stripped from him this week.

[01:04:12] He doesn't have a vote.

[01:04:13] He's not a player in what's going to happen here.

[01:04:15] Victoria has the opportunity to take that power away from another person

[01:04:20] and put them in a position where they're not going to be able to vote.

[01:04:23] Somebody like a Tola, I mean, at this point,

[01:04:25] I think it's going to become pretty clear to her that Tola and Todd

[01:04:28] were the ones who put those nominations in place.

[01:04:30] Goose, not voting. Goose is already on their side, essentially.

[01:04:33] They pulled Goose back over last week by saying, you know,

[01:04:35] we're going to keep you, you're safe, like come back over with us.

[01:04:38] We know you messed up the week before, but like work with us.

[01:04:41] We still feel good with you.

[01:04:42] So getting rid of him in a spot where again, he already has no power right now

[01:04:46] when you have the opportunity to put a Todd or Tola up

[01:04:50] where you don't know where they're going to vote.

[01:04:52] I think she has to do that.

[01:04:53] I think at this point, she has to cut ties with Tola.

[01:04:55] When you pull the trigger,

[01:04:56] you have to make sure you have three bullets in the chamber.

[01:04:58] You have those three votes.

[01:05:00] The thing, though, Matt, like what you're saying makes sense

[01:05:02] from a strategic standpoint, but it's completely

[01:05:05] neglecting the real life friendship of Dougie and Victoria

[01:05:08] and Goose saying Anthony's name.

[01:05:13] If if she tells Anthony about that, he said that,

[01:05:16] which I'm sure she will because she leaks information.

[01:05:19] Anthony is going to do everything in his power to make sure that Goose goes up

[01:05:23] and goes out because he said Anthony's name, Goose has won an HOH before

[01:05:27] and he could win it again.

[01:05:28] And he's talking about targeting Anthony.

[01:05:30] Anthony does not have a tolerance for people saying his name.

[01:05:33] And you're absolutely right about that.

[01:05:35] But Victoria has already proved twice consecutively

[01:05:37] that she doesn't care what Anthony has to say when she used that veto,

[01:05:40] despite what Anthony wants her to do.

[01:05:43] She she used the veto anyway.

[01:05:44] I think it's going to be different, though, just because he's

[01:05:48] with saying Anthony's name as like target him right now.

[01:05:51] Let's backdoor him, which is just a little different than like,

[01:05:54] oh, well, we've got these two different auxiliary pieces that we could nominate.

[01:05:58] I'm going to go with the one I'd prefer over what Anthony prefers,

[01:06:01] because I think Anthony and V both do have the primary

[01:06:06] objective of keeping both Anthony and Victoria in the game.

[01:06:10] And so I just think it's going to play out a little bit differently

[01:06:12] than kind of the proxy wars that we've been seeing.

[01:06:15] So a couple things about this, A, as I mentioned before,

[01:06:19] remember Avery is one of Victoria's closest allies.

[01:06:22] She has to make sure this is a shot to kill.

[01:06:26] And yes, it's only three votes, but considering how divided the house is,

[01:06:31] she needs those three votes and she knows that she would have Bailey

[01:06:35] and Kayla, but does she know she can have anybody else?

[01:06:39] And so if she takes the shot against Anthony,

[01:06:41] she has to make sure she has one of Todd or Lexus.

[01:06:46] Oh, like putting Anthony on the block?

[01:06:47] Yeah. Well, there's no way. No, we're not.

[01:06:49] She's never going to do that. That's right.

[01:06:51] I mean, should she probably?

[01:06:54] Like that's just also like to me, that's just in the realm

[01:06:57] of things that are never going to happen.

[01:07:00] Yeah. No, I think more realistically, she continues to try

[01:07:03] and then this is I'm kind of feeling myself firmly land on this side of

[01:07:06] I think even though she just chipped away at one of Anthony's pieces,

[01:07:09] I feel like she has the chance to do it again.

[01:07:10] And she's playing so bloodthirsty for herself like she has been for weeks now.

[01:07:15] I feel like she does again.

[01:07:16] I think she takes the shot at Tola thinking that, you know, Todd's still with Bailey.

[01:07:20] Tola still an Anthony piece and she has to at that point.

[01:07:24] So the votes, like you said, Mike or Kayla and

[01:07:27] and Bailey are locked to keep Avery.

[01:07:30] This is again, Victoria's closest ally in the house is Avery

[01:07:34] that's on the block.

[01:07:35] And if she makes the wrong call here, that Avery goes home.

[01:07:38] Remember how Bailey was desperately trying to save herself

[01:07:41] and convinced Victoria to make a move other than the one she was going to make

[01:07:45] that Anthony wanted to make.

[01:07:46] And she ended up listening to Bailey making the correct move, keeping Bailey in the house.

[01:07:51] So we're in the exact kind of position of if I put the wrong person up,

[01:07:54] my number one Avery is about to go home.

[01:07:57] So that third vote would have to come from either

[01:08:00] wait, no, so yeah, five votes.

[01:08:02] Anthony, Todd or Lexis would then need to vote for Tola to go over Avery.

[01:08:07] It's going to be tough.

[01:08:08] Yeah, the other thing is we have to look to the optics of the jury.

[01:08:14] Now, it hasn't been confirmed yet, maybe because we haven't gotten a formal eviction.

[01:08:17] But our assumption is we are in nine people.

[01:08:20] We're going to get a jury of seven and a final two.

[01:08:23] Victoria was the first member of the jury in her season.

[01:08:26] She knows better than everybody like the message that you send to the jury

[01:08:32] and also look at the fact of, yes, the past couple of weeks

[01:08:36] has been Victoria, Avery and Kayla undermining Anthony and Lexis

[01:08:40] to a certain extent at every turn.

[01:08:42] But they keep coming back being like, yeah, but you know what?

[01:08:45] At the end of the day, I didn't put you up.

[01:08:47] I'm still loyal to hot chocolate.

[01:08:48] There is still this visage of no, we're still sticking true to us.

[01:08:54] We might chip away at any other options you may have.

[01:08:57] But we're going to stick loyal to each other at the end of the day.

[01:09:01] If Victoria is the one to draw that first blood

[01:09:04] and nominate someone like Lexis, for instance, and throw them up

[01:09:08] and they go, that's going to send a very bad message about Victoria.

[01:09:13] That's going to say like, not only did you break this alliance

[01:09:17] that could arguably be bigger than the game, but you also broken

[01:09:21] alliance that again, you said you had our backs 100 percent.

[01:09:24] And even though spicy V is a bit of the scorpion and the frog,

[01:09:27] it would be a really tough thing to, I think, endanger her chances

[01:09:31] of winning almost immediately.

[01:09:33] So I agree, it's a really tough calculus as to what's the best option

[01:09:38] to keep Avery safe.

[01:09:41] And from that capacity, I think it's sort of the guy that really isn't tight

[01:09:44] with anybody. You put up someone like Goose.

[01:09:47] They just betrayed the Anthony and Tola and Lexis side.

[01:09:51] And I think it's a little bit of what our our friend Raph Cessarino did

[01:09:54] once upon a time with Christie back in the Amazon of like,

[01:09:57] this guy is going to both sides.

[01:09:59] He really doesn't stand for anything.

[01:10:01] Do we want to keep this guy in the game?

[01:10:03] You could also argue to his big brother example.

[01:10:04] This is the very argument that Maggie used with Howie to put up James back in season six.

[01:10:10] And despite me thinking that,

[01:10:13] despite me thinking that Tola is the better option for her to keep Avery in the house,

[01:10:17] I think certainly Goose is the next most likely of what she could do.

[01:10:20] And if she doesn't get persuaded in the correct direction again,

[01:10:23] based on what I'm reading to be her best move here, then Goose goes up.

[01:10:27] She's looking at a world where Todd and Tola are like locked

[01:10:29] on sending out one of the two women that are still left on the block

[01:10:32] in Avery. She's banking on hot chocolate to then be on her side

[01:10:36] and vote to send Goose home when that doesn't happen.

[01:10:40] Then Mike, almost she gets the upper hand in what you're talking about of like,

[01:10:43] well, then they're breaking, you know, the pack. I mean, they're not sending home.

[01:10:46] Well, no, they are.

[01:10:46] They'd be sending home Avery and they're the ones that are breaking hot chocolate.

[01:10:49] So she has that in her back pocket going forward.

[01:10:52] I don't think she's by any means, you know, screwed if Avery goes home.

[01:10:55] She has done such a good job in this game of keeping

[01:10:57] so many people like close to her.

[01:10:59] So instead of having Avery is number one, I think Kayla shifts to that spot

[01:11:02] and Bailey becomes even more important than she already is.

[01:11:05] So I mean, again, Victoria has played very well with these connections.

[01:11:08] It'll be so I'm so I want to know, you know, what's going on in there?

[01:11:12] What happened? Well, and the thing too is if Victoria wasn't

[01:11:16] like here's the problem, she's so bombastic, right?

[01:11:20] So like Avery goes home, Victoria will be going

[01:11:24] absolutely off and is not able to play in the next stage.

[01:11:28] Oh, wait, right?

[01:11:29] If she if she wasn't reactive in that way,

[01:11:31] I think she could play kind of like a wounded puppy.

[01:11:34] Like, oh, I've lost my number one.

[01:11:36] Like I'm nothing to worry about.

[01:11:37] But I don't think she has.

[01:11:39] I don't think she likes to act and she likes to perform.

[01:11:42] But I think she likes to be powerful in a way that that would not be, you know.

[01:11:47] Yeah, she can't be like Dan Geesling after Brian and Stephen went out.

[01:11:50] Exactly. Like lying low for a couple weeks

[01:11:52] so people forget about it because usually almost always in these social

[01:11:56] strategy games, it is always the half measure, right?

[01:11:58] It's like, oh, we took out this person's closest ally.

[01:12:00] They're fine. They've got nobody.

[01:12:02] We don't need to worry about them for a long time.

[01:12:04] And as a result, they make their way to the end.

[01:12:06] But to your point, Chris did like Victoria love her,

[01:12:09] but she cannot leave well enough alone.

[01:12:11] She's not Dan after Brian goes home.

[01:12:13] She's Dan after the 24 hours of solitary confinement.

[01:12:18] And if we have Victoria's funeral, I'm on board.

[01:12:21] There is one more decision that we should talk about.

[01:12:24] It's my new one, but still interesting to sort of end the chain of actual choices

[01:12:27] that happen, which is Victoria.

[01:12:29] So she is left again with only a couple options.

[01:12:31] Basically, she has to deem between Lexis, Todd and Anthony,

[01:12:35] who is guaranteed to play in the POV and who's going to take the slot past.

[01:12:40] She says that she's going to give Anthony the slot past as sort of like

[01:12:43] a form of repayment. I agree.

[01:12:44] I think especially for a returning player, like it's basically worth the

[01:12:48] hill of beans at that point, which they can eat because they're not

[01:12:50] going to be a have not.

[01:12:52] I mean, again, if Victoria is really trying to press Anthony here,

[01:12:56] throw him in the POV and see what happens if he wins it,

[01:12:59] because there are two members of hot chocolate up on the block there.

[01:13:02] Yeah. So at that point, the only people that are left right are Todd and Lexis.

[01:13:06] So, I mean, what is it?

[01:13:09] What's the difference at that point?

[01:13:10] Like she's either giving Todd a slot pass or Lexis.

[01:13:13] She could give it to Lexis as like a, hey, sorry, girl, we voted out your man.

[01:13:16] But like, you know, here's no slot for the rest of the way through.

[01:13:20] But I do feel like maybe just her knowing Anthony on a personal level

[01:13:24] knows that he would much rather have no slot for the rest of the season

[01:13:28] than a chance to play in.

[01:13:29] Like, I think she's literally just trying to show a sign of friendship

[01:13:32] like she kind of says.

[01:13:34] All right. So we go through our final couple formalities, right?

[01:13:38] The set dressing of having Avery come in and make the choice

[01:13:41] that ultimately doesn't matter just kind of setting deck chairs on the Titanic.

[01:13:44] I did like Elijah going in and reacting in a real time to basically

[01:13:48] like you could follow where his eyes were going on the board considering

[01:13:52] like the first thing he saw was like, oh, this is going on.

[01:13:55] Oh, crap, what happened?

[01:13:56] And I mean, yeah, he was excited and then he was scared

[01:14:00] and then he was excited and scared.

[01:14:02] Then he just sort of like said, say lovey upon having no eviction vote once again.

[01:14:06] But we get, you know, well, Rissa then running through the roles again

[01:14:10] basically just have like Kayla react in the moment.

[01:14:13] Right. So cruel.

[01:14:15] Like they even swap the order of Kayla and Avery being revealed.

[01:14:18] They showed Avery first while the whole thing is so cinematic

[01:14:21] because Kayla is crying, she's distraught.

[01:14:24] And then they show Avery on the block before Kayla where we know that Kayla is coming next.

[01:14:28] But oh my God, brutal.

[01:14:30] Now, I mean, I guess there is appeal, right?

[01:14:31] Kirsten and like, OK, now Bailey gets to see what happened afterwards.

[01:14:35] But the other thing that I was interested by is like,

[01:14:37] I imagine they couldn't explicitly say what they did.

[01:14:42] But like people were certainly saying things, right?

[01:14:45] They were sitting down saying, you won't believe what's in there.

[01:14:50] So I guess maybe they were led to build stuff up,

[01:14:52] even though they couldn't exactly say what happened to ruin the surprise.

[01:14:56] Yeah, it was I feel like most people just stayed pretty quiet.

[01:15:01] Other than kind of like, wow, vibes.

[01:15:04] I feel like it wasn't until Victoria came out that she was like, what happened?

[01:15:08] Like, I'm pissed.

[01:15:10] Yeah, I think said like true colors being shown.

[01:15:13] I think she's been sitting on her way back.

[01:15:14] I thought I'm sorry.

[01:15:15] I thought that was such a stupid thing to say because it's like,

[01:15:18] yeah, you can make your best guesses as to who cast whom in what roles.

[01:15:23] But like we don't actually know anybody's true colors, Avery,

[01:15:27] because you don't know for sure who who nominated you.

[01:15:31] So like, let's chill a little bit.

[01:15:34] You were just the age of age.

[01:15:36] You're part of this very powerful group that seems again

[01:15:38] to be running the house.

[01:15:40] Back to work like all these big targets.

[01:15:43] So yeah, again, that's what I love about this queuing system

[01:15:46] that I think what hopefully an episode plus of drama will be built out of

[01:15:50] is like everyone whispering to each other.

[01:15:52] OK, what did you see on the board when you came in and like seeing

[01:15:56] how the purposeful miscommunications are going to happen?

[01:15:58] It's very something like mafia or blood on the clock tower

[01:16:02] where like everyone has a specific role, but you can lie about what your role

[01:16:06] is in conjunction to others.

[01:16:07] And it just sets the entire chain apart.

[01:16:09] Again, I think the queuing aspect as much as you want

[01:16:12] to vote to be secret was probably my favorite part of this twist.

[01:16:15] It was almost like something out of the genius where it's like

[01:16:17] I'm lined up to do this thing and knowing who's behind me.

[01:16:20] I'm going to make this move specifically because of that.

[01:16:22] It was a really fun aspect that ultimately leads to a big brother

[01:16:26] S situation. Victoria is the HOH.

[01:16:29] Kayla and Avery are the nominees and they jump immediately into a power

[01:16:34] of veto that's like fine.

[01:16:37] It's drink three glasses of quote unquote blood,

[01:16:39] unlock a combination lock and solve a puzzle.

[01:16:42] Like the last third of a survivor challenge usually chugging

[01:16:46] is like a big Canadian thing.

[01:16:48] So oh, really?

[01:16:49] It's sense.

[01:16:50] Oh, yeah.

[01:16:52] It's like people here can drink their drinks fast.

[01:16:54] It's it's just it's a whole thing.

[01:16:56] They went all out with this whole episode and did such a good job

[01:16:59] theming wise. And then they were like, here's a block puzzle.

[01:17:02] Yeah, like.

[01:17:03] Honestly, I got a little bit like I did sort of have torture spikes.

[01:17:07] They had the spikes that are like covered the spikes.

[01:17:09] I mean, OK, you know, a small bit.

[01:17:11] But I don't know.

[01:17:12] Like we were already doing so much.

[01:17:14] But like even the blood drinks, like, OK, we're keeping the theme

[01:17:16] and going, but then there's some colored blocks.

[01:17:20] Yeah, I mean, but like.

[01:17:24] I don't know.

[01:17:24] I think in this spot, they were always going to do something

[01:17:27] like this or like similar to how double or triple eviction

[01:17:31] vetoes play out where it's like you run back and forth

[01:17:33] and you collect the thing.

[01:17:34] So it's like this was better than running back and forth.

[01:17:37] I'll take it.

[01:17:37] I mean, imagine it was a longer competition with the three minutes

[01:17:41] they had to show us the whole competition.

[01:17:43] Yeah. Yeah.

[01:17:44] Well, I kind of got in ghoul shul.

[01:17:46] So then we end up, Kayla ends up when I get even though Tola

[01:17:50] certainly trying his best.

[01:17:51] Oh, yeah. Also, we're very sure that that wasn't blood in the glasses.

[01:17:54] Right. Otherwise, these people are like steel willed AF

[01:17:57] if they can just down it no problem.

[01:17:59] Well, I'm pretty sure if it was real blood,

[01:18:03] there's some sort of like occupational health and safety rule against that.

[01:18:08] Survivor Africa, they got to chug cows blood straight from the cow.

[01:18:12] That is true. That was also a very different time.

[01:18:16] It was it was different.

[01:18:18] I think that there was probably like some cornstarch

[01:18:22] and food coloring in the water.

[01:18:23] So it's probably like a little bit thick, sweet,

[01:18:25] and it was probably really sweet.

[01:18:26] Normally fake blood is extremely sweet.

[01:18:29] Missed opportunity to have God free host.

[01:18:33] Yeah, exactly.

[01:18:33] His blood on the skin.

[01:18:35] When someone's hands.

[01:18:37] Yeah, I'm trying to think like who would have been a good alumni to step in

[01:18:40] and temporarily make an appearance during the veto competition?

[01:18:43] Well, I mean, you have to think about like what which aspect of the competition

[01:18:47] because if it's about chugging drinks like John Party,

[01:18:51] it should be there or like Emmett when he like downed those glasses.

[01:18:54] Oh, yeah, all the milk.

[01:18:55] If it was three glasses of milk, it would have to be Emmett for sure.

[01:18:59] Yeah, because I'm also trying to think like I don't think

[01:19:01] there's any movie affiliated Canadian alumni, right?

[01:19:05] Like I've just taken Matt to Australian Survivor like Eden would have been

[01:19:08] a perfect host for this if this had an equivalent in Australian Survivor.

[01:19:12] Because it's like there are, you know, Big Brother Canada contestants that are

[01:19:16] actors, but none of them are like huge yet.

[01:19:19] Like Kiki from season seven is constantly going on additions

[01:19:24] and showing up on Netflix shows.

[01:19:25] But like not to the level where it were.

[01:19:28] The audience of Big Brother Canada would immediately know why

[01:19:31] she was the one hosting.

[01:19:32] You know what I mean?

[01:19:33] I will also say on that note, something that I really appreciated

[01:19:36] about this episode was very limited use of confessionals.

[01:19:41] Like once we got past sort of the normalcy post eviction stuff

[01:19:44] and we got into the massacre itself, no confessionals almost made to play out

[01:19:49] in like quote unquote real time.

[01:19:51] So I imagine almost double eviction style will probably get a lot

[01:19:54] of confessionals next episode in retrospect being like.

[01:19:56] So this is why I picked this and maybe showing some flashbacks there.

[01:19:59] But yeah, it was a little surprise that, you know, Big Brother Canada

[01:20:03] even edits their eviction shows, obviously.

[01:20:05] I was happily surprised, especially considering the way Big

[01:20:08] Brother confessionals usually go, even in Canada, that we didn't really

[01:20:11] get any talking heads this episode.

[01:20:13] Yeah.

[01:20:13] No, I think that's definitely what the Tuesday episode is of just

[01:20:16] the post double eviction play out of what happened next.

[01:20:19] And at this point, why would they have the eviction shown on Tuesday?

[01:20:23] You would think that like they're going to show it on Wednesday at this point.

[01:20:25] And hopefully, like if we don't have an HOH by the end of Wednesday's

[01:20:28] episode, let me just even let me talk to somebody just to like

[01:20:32] like, what are we doing?

[01:20:33] What are we doing like to push through this week?

[01:20:35] Like we thought it was going to be all in one episode, which to be fair,

[01:20:38] it's not like I had any idea what was going to happen in Tuesday and Wednesday

[01:20:41] after this week.

[01:20:42] Like I guess maybe in theory, you would think they're just going to do another cycle.

[01:20:46] This was like a double eviction.

[01:20:47] But this is essentially just one cycle that by the way, all happened,

[01:20:51] I think on last Tuesday night, it is now Sunday night.

[01:20:54] And this in theory all happened on Tuesday night unless the time

[01:20:59] went like unless they like tease it on.

[01:21:00] Well, so they went to bed.

[01:21:02] So then maybe this happened on Wednesday morning.

[01:21:05] I think it happened at like eight in the morning

[01:21:07] and they're calling it movie night massacre, but it happened during the day.

[01:21:10] And it's movie night massacre when two thirds of your branding is in quotations.

[01:21:16] There might be a problem.

[01:21:17] Yeah, because the whole Friday, the whole no Friday, we got no update.

[01:21:20] The whole Thursday update was all after Matt left and then it ended

[01:21:24] with the sirens going off.

[01:21:25] So we didn't see we didn't see anything from like the daytime Wednesday.

[01:21:29] This must have happened, I guess that day.

[01:21:31] But whatever is going on in that house,

[01:21:32] Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, we'll never know.

[01:21:35] Matt, I think that the last two evictions have actually been recorded

[01:21:38] on Tuesday and then released on Wednesday.

[01:21:41] Yeah. So like we don't even.

[01:21:43] So this happened Wednesday day.

[01:21:45] And then we've seen nothing.

[01:21:48] And potentially there could be two people either like in a cabin

[01:21:54] in Muskoka or in a hotel room waiting to go home.

[01:21:57] And we just don't even know who they are because the episodes haven't aired.

[01:21:59] They're going to film the rest of the season by now, for all we know.

[01:22:02] Just just.

[01:22:02] And they can hold it.

[01:22:04] Big Brother Australia season, right?

[01:22:05] Where they like basically filmed it all ahead of time and then live feeds.

[01:22:09] Well, but it's not going to be live feeds.

[01:22:11] And there's and the evictions aren't going to be live.

[01:22:15] And all this why not?

[01:22:16] Why don't they just go film it over like a fricking weekend

[01:22:20] and then give us the episodes when they're ready to have them

[01:22:22] and whatever additional material they want to provide to us?

[01:22:26] Because it's like there's no point in it being live right now.

[01:22:29] This is already on vacation, sitting on a beach.

[01:22:31] She you know, we are done.

[01:22:32] We wrapped on when got her covered.

[01:22:34] Yeah, she did her like requisite stuff with, you know,

[01:22:38] ABR the people's names in there.

[01:22:40] It's fine. I'm going to go sip of my time

[01:22:41] while you all do this movie night massacre thing.

[01:22:44] But so, you know, we'll get at some point someone evicted here.

[01:22:48] Because yeah, I guess the big question is if Tuesday night is

[01:22:51] veto ceremony and eviction, are they just doing like a super

[01:22:55] condensed one hour episode on Wednesday of like, and here was this other round

[01:22:59] where someone went to a sub 1 veto and then someone else went home.

[01:23:01] Who knows? We might even get like on the Tuesday episode,

[01:23:05] it we might get like the rest of this and then the start of the next cycle

[01:23:10] and then one day we get we get we get like an HOH on Tuesday night

[01:23:13] and then Wednesday is the veto and eviction.

[01:23:15] I could see that. Yeah.

[01:23:17] I mean, if they do want to speed it up then possibly, but

[01:23:20] it's just very confusing.

[01:23:21] We've got this whole thing with tonight.

[01:23:23] The show ends in a month and there's nine people in the house.

[01:23:28] Yeah, it was it was all about them condensing week one and two.

[01:23:31] I know we don't love when they do the first eviction in episode two back to back.

[01:23:35] But looking back, it's kind of a necessary evil or we find ourselves

[01:23:40] in this sort of mirror and he's not right now.

[01:23:42] Yeah. Who knows?

[01:23:45] Well, congratulations to Kayla wins her second veto

[01:23:48] and this time when she really fricking needed it because I think safe to say

[01:23:52] had she not wanted if either Avery wanted or someone else did,

[01:23:56] she was as good as gone, whether she realizes it or not.

[01:23:59] I am intrigued to see how she is going to approach this in particular,

[01:24:03] because I do think we've seen it in fits and starts.

[01:24:05] But like Kayla has some spice to her as well for lack of a better term.

[01:24:10] So I'm going to really be intrigued to see if she Rupert style goes like,

[01:24:13] who the hell nominated me and just go out from there.

[01:24:16] But we've been speculating about this a little while back that

[01:24:19] we assume that Victoria would probably end up nominating someone like Goose.

[01:24:23] Maybe someone like Tola, maybe not going for necessarily the other options

[01:24:28] just for various different reasons.

[01:24:30] What do we think right now?

[01:24:32] The votes would be let's say it's Elijah and Avery.

[01:24:35] Do we think Victoria and company are able to get one of Todd,

[01:24:40] Tola and Anthony on board to a victim goose over Avery?

[01:24:45] To a victim goose.

[01:24:47] Well, so it really, of course, comes down to hot chocolate.

[01:24:50] Anthony is also remember like Victoria only needs three

[01:24:54] because even if Elijah doesn't vote, she has the tiebreaker.

[01:24:58] There's six votes. Correct. Yeah.

[01:24:59] So they still need the third vote.

[01:25:01] It's going to come down to I mean,

[01:25:04] does Todd stick with Bailey is a question and then does hot chocolate

[01:25:07] stick together and say we're keeping Avery in the house?

[01:25:09] I mean, at a certain point,

[01:25:12] Anthony may decide it just makes more sense for him

[01:25:15] to cut off one of Victoria's numbers than she's doing a lot of work

[01:25:18] to cut off his she wanted Tola to go that week.

[01:25:21] She obviously got rid of Matt last week alongside Avery,

[01:25:23] so it may make sense to do that.

[01:25:26] It's just this this next episode is going to be so telling

[01:25:29] of how these conversations shake out.

[01:25:31] I mean, Todd already kind of planted his flag as to

[01:25:34] I am going to prioritize like Tola and trying to get one of these women

[01:25:38] out over anything else.

[01:25:40] So he feels like a lost cause.

[01:25:43] Anthony and Lexis are the question marks.

[01:25:45] What do you think, Kirsten?

[01:25:48] I think that's right.

[01:25:51] I'd like I can't even see another way for it to play out.

[01:25:55] It's like I feel so bad sitting on the fence like, well, it comes down to these two.

[01:25:58] Like what are they going to? I don't know. I have no idea.

[01:26:01] Like Avery and Goose, which one is better for let's say Anthony's game?

[01:26:04] If Anthony could be that third vote or.

[01:26:07] I mean, for for Lexis, too, Goose is not looking out

[01:26:11] for the two of them where they could still be convinced that Avery

[01:26:15] does have hot chocolate's best interests in minds and Avery will continue to go for

[01:26:19] like Bailey, Todd, Tola, even if they don't necessarily believe it,

[01:26:23] they have reason to potentially believe it because of hot chocolate

[01:26:26] where what are they keeping Goose in the game for?

[01:26:29] They already can kind of see that Goose was drifting to Victoria's side anyway.

[01:26:33] I don't know.

[01:26:35] It just seems to me like I just think Elijah's reputation up to this point

[01:26:40] is sort of like if you stand for nothing, what will you fall for?

[01:26:43] Or even when he was HOH, it went pretty damn badly for him considering that.

[01:26:48] Like you could say, oh, yeah, Alexis will keep him.

[01:26:51] But then there was that entire thing where like she didn't use the veto

[01:26:54] when he wanted her to use the veto because she got her head turned around

[01:26:58] about like Matt wanted to put up Kayla.

[01:27:00] So I just feel like and maybe again, I'm speaking out of my butt

[01:27:03] because I'm not sure entirely like the relationship that he's garnered.

[01:27:06] But I feel like looking at even just these two most recent HOHs in Avery and Goose,

[01:27:12] like what Avery was able to accomplish.

[01:27:14] Yes, it was a bit more of a stab in the back maneuver.

[01:27:17] But I feel like it was done sort of at and with the support of so many people

[01:27:22] as opposed to Elijah, who I feel like from my perspective,

[01:27:25] kind of walked in and walked out with the same number of allies.

[01:27:30] He's he's a total, you know, like not to be super harsh,

[01:27:34] but like a total of nothing, you know, in the game, even when he won power,

[01:27:37] they found a way for it to not be important and, you know,

[01:27:40] for him to just continue to be upon and everybody else's games going forward.

[01:27:43] So at a certain point, people will cut him just in favor of an ally

[01:27:49] staying in the house, which could be this week.

[01:27:52] But again, it just comes down to if Anthony and Lexis decide, you know,

[01:27:59] I don't know, Anthony, Todd, Tola and Goose new pretty boys.

[01:28:02] Question mark.

[01:28:05] Your face is saying it all.

[01:28:06] I mean, I guess you Anthony who tries to reclaim power within

[01:28:11] within this house because lately he's been losing a lot of it.

[01:28:14] I do. I just think that.

[01:28:17] I think it's like a hard

[01:28:19] because Anthony sees what he's losing a little bit, but he doesn't.

[01:28:25] I like, I just don't think he was able to fully grasp

[01:28:28] that it was Victoria's fault until it was a little bit too late to grasp

[01:28:31] like enough power to totally abandon that ship.

[01:28:35] And he just tends to such loyalty to his real alliance that it's like,

[01:28:41] I think I think I think it's just me, Anthony and Victoria

[01:28:45] continuing to have like proxy wars, but I don't see either of them

[01:28:48] actually going for the other really at any point.

[01:28:51] The other thing is that something that the pretty boys were able to do

[01:28:53] of the many things to great effect was the fact that they won a great

[01:28:58] majority of the competitions this season.

[01:29:00] And listen, Tola picked up a veto and Todd certainly no slouch as they showed.

[01:29:05] But like, does Anthony really want to hitch his wagons to these people?

[01:29:09] Does he want to draw a line when it's like, oh,

[01:29:11] but these guys probably won't win HOH to protect me at the end of the day.

[01:29:16] And that just leaves me exposed.

[01:29:18] He's going to have to bet on himself a lot more if he sets that up.

[01:29:22] That being said, like I could see him still want to keep options open

[01:29:25] because it does seem like Tola and Todd are starting to ramp up

[01:29:28] that competitive aspect a little bit.

[01:29:30] But these competitions have also been fairly good,

[01:29:34] especially compared to US in like being pretty equal opportunities.

[01:29:38] So there's still a very fair shot that like

[01:29:40] if you do that, a woman's going to win HOH.

[01:29:43] And now they have the biggest excuse to put you up.

[01:29:46] I think Lexus is going to follow Anthony's lead

[01:29:49] is my best guess going into this next

[01:29:52] going into whatever this vote ends up being.

[01:29:54] I think she sticks by him and what he decides.

[01:29:56] He obviously has such a mind for the game

[01:29:58] and I think he'll impart on her what he thinks their best move collectively is.

[01:30:02] And she's still in such a vulnerable spot, having just lost Matt.

[01:30:05] Matt like imparted very strongly, like stick with Anthony

[01:30:08] and they're going to be together.

[01:30:10] So it really just comes down for Anthony of

[01:30:13] he knows he has to chip away pieces at Victoria's side.

[01:30:16] Is this the time to start doing so?

[01:30:18] And I really kind of think it is.

[01:30:20] I think Goose is again, so such a nothing piece

[01:30:24] and could be persuaded where Avery is locked in alongside Victoria.

[01:30:29] So I kind of feel like if it's goose that Avery might go.

[01:30:34] All right, well, there's my there's my thought.

[01:30:36] Yeah, well, I just think if Anthony hears a goose at his name,

[01:30:40] it's going to make a big difference.

[01:30:41] I don't know.

[01:30:42] Well, we'll see as all the fallout will occur

[01:30:45] and there will be some sort of eviction.

[01:30:48] Listen, the teaser did have a risk of saying I have the results to find out

[01:30:52] who didn't survive the night now.

[01:30:53] That being said, one of the reasons why I think we kind of set in our hands

[01:30:57] for most of this evening is because we kind of were led to believe

[01:31:00] with the advertiser that there would be an eviction tonight.

[01:31:02] So who's to say?

[01:31:03] But hopefully we'll have a lot more to talk about regardless.

[01:31:07] I do think it's going down and I would not be surprised

[01:31:09] if this is something to shake up the game a little bit.

[01:31:12] Either Avery is evicted and one of the biggest, you know,

[01:31:15] top of the hierarchy now goes to the bottom or someone like Goose is evicted.

[01:31:20] But the leading trio has now had a major shake up to it.

[01:31:24] Todd and Tola have tried to land a shot and ultimately ended up missing

[01:31:27] after trying to work the middle.

[01:31:29] And it could set up a really interesting few weeks to follow.

[01:31:33] Matt, Kirsten, anything else from the two of you as we wrap up

[01:31:37] movie night madness here?

[01:31:39] Massacre I almost came up with a better name for it.

[01:31:42] I was more madness than a massacre, wasn't it?

[01:31:45] No, I'm just really excited to see what happens next.

[01:31:48] I think a lot is going to happen in the next month.

[01:31:51] And it's just how much of it are we actually going to be allowed

[01:31:54] to see that's going to dictate how exciting it is?

[01:31:58] Yeah, this has been it's been good for what we've been able to see of it.

[01:32:02] A couple of dailies ago, there was some Anthony versus spicy V.

[01:32:06] And when you get two returnes in a house, I mean, or any amount of

[01:32:09] returnes in the house, the worst thing is when they're going to stick

[01:32:11] together and try to work together towards the end.

[01:32:14] These two, I think, while they still are not directly going to shoot at one another,

[01:32:18] I do think that it's very clear to one another that the other

[01:32:22] does not have their best interests in mind, whether it's just continuing

[01:32:25] to pick away at each other's pieces all the way down to however far we get down to.

[01:32:29] Eventually a shot will be taken and a vote will be cast for Anthony

[01:32:33] for Victoria to leave or vice versa.

[01:32:35] And I think that over the next again, over the course of the next month,

[01:32:39] watching to see how that finishes out is going to be the most compelling part

[01:32:42] of all of this alongside a couple of players that are still in the house

[01:32:45] that are very worthwhile contenders for the crown.

[01:32:48] So I'm intrigued.

[01:32:50] The fact that we probably will not have dailies over the next couple of days

[01:32:53] is very annoying. But as I tweeted, if we're still watching this show

[01:32:56] and following along, we're doing this to ourselves and we know what pain

[01:32:59] we're inflicting upon ourselves.

[01:33:00] So I can't even be frustrated at this point.

[01:33:04] I don't do it to myself.

[01:33:05] We are these cubes lying upon the spikes.

[01:33:08] Self-immolating, self-imposing.

[01:33:10] Also, here's a comment from Benjamin says BB Kins official Twitter says, quote,

[01:33:14] second half of movie night will be on Tuesday,

[01:33:18] so they better have an eviction on Tuesday or else I'm done believing

[01:33:20] they're advertising. So yeah, listen, fool me once, shame on me.

[01:33:23] But if they are claiming the second half of movie night madness

[01:33:28] massacre, that seems to indicate to me some sort of eviction.

[01:33:32] So that was Wednesday just like 20 minutes of they have to do the HOH

[01:33:36] at that point and then just continued follow up the massacre.

[01:33:39] I just I wonder if we're going to get the rest of the massacre

[01:33:43] plus an HOH and then like they zoom through another cycle on Wednesday.

[01:33:46] I just don't.

[01:33:48] Yeah, I feel like they need to send two people home this week.

[01:33:51] I think they have to.

[01:33:52] I believe the finale is what, three weeks from Wednesday, I think so.

[01:33:56] You guys said a massacre does indicate maybe multiple people going home.

[01:34:00] So imagine the twist at the end of the Tuesday night episode is.

[01:34:04] So you think that's it.

[01:34:05] But one more of you is going to go.

[01:34:07] Oh, it's the exact opposite.

[01:34:08] Imagine one.

[01:34:09] Imagine if it comes down to it and they're like,

[01:34:11] ha, you thought you were voting actually both nominees.

[01:34:14] Just go home. Bye.

[01:34:16] Yeah, exactly.

[01:34:18] Well, we shall see no matter what the two of you made an absolute

[01:34:21] killing over the course of this podcast.

[01:34:23] I know that we are without our usual leader and Terran.

[01:34:27] We were a bit building the plane as we flew, trying to talk through

[01:34:30] this very new game and how to play it ideally versus what actually played out.

[01:34:35] But I certainly had a lot of fun getting to this.

[01:34:38] I hope everyone who's watching live got to do so as well.

[01:34:41] Almost 1,800 people watching right now.

[01:34:44] I think they're coming. No way.

[01:34:45] Yeah, moans.

[01:34:46] I mean, I think like it's interesting.

[01:34:49] This is again something I've never seen in the franchise before,

[01:34:54] just as a game structure or even just a deviation to something completely

[01:34:58] different and it invigorated me for a season.

[01:35:00] I have been enjoying up to this point, even if I have been a bit more casually

[01:35:04] watching things from afar from a strategic perspective.

[01:35:07] Like I really like the repercussions of what this might mean,

[01:35:10] whether for Big Brother Canada 13 or again, if this was a soft pilot

[01:35:14] to release at its own reality competition show, go to it.

[01:35:17] Let's see what happens.

[01:35:18] Throw in some of those swap percolations that Kirsten was talking about

[01:35:22] and like you might have a show going on, shark.

[01:35:24] So we shall see.

[01:35:26] But I know we all have plenty of podcasts going on in the tank.

[01:35:30] Let's close out with some plugs.

[01:35:32] Matt, we'll start with you.

[01:35:33] What do you have going on?

[01:35:34] Well, what a blast.

[01:35:36] You guys were a lot of fun to break this down with them.

[01:35:38] So happy to have been on this podcast with you both.

[01:35:40] I'm on Twitter at Matt Legori, where

[01:35:43] dropping some thoughts as the dailies come out,

[01:35:45] whenever the dailies do come out, because they're not coming out that often,

[01:35:48] especially when a twist is involved.

[01:35:50] Who knows when we're getting one.

[01:35:51] But on Twitter at Matt Legori and check out the Free Agents podcast,

[01:35:55] where Brian Scali and I are talking through currently the challenge

[01:35:58] All Stars 4 has been a lot of fun.

[01:36:00] And as sometimes we talk about some other shows as well, you know,

[01:36:02] Sprinklins and BB Can 12 when there's exciting things happening there.

[01:36:06] So the Free Agents podcast.

[01:36:08] I'm on Twitter, Matt Legori, that already said that already.

[01:36:10] Yes. So thanks again, Matt.

[01:36:11] Yeah, Matt, I know that All Stars 4 just started on Paramount Plus.

[01:36:15] What's the pitch you can give to people, whether they be like

[01:36:19] devoted, died in the world, challenged fans or haven't watched in a while?

[01:36:21] Is this season worth watching so far?

[01:36:23] Beyond worth watching.

[01:36:25] I mean, one criticism you'll see from people in modern reality TV watching is that

[01:36:31] it's just not the same as it used to be.

[01:36:32] People are not, you know, the shows are not produced the same.

[01:36:35] The, you know, just the people that are playing are not playing the same.

[01:36:38] But when you bring back players from the era of television

[01:36:42] that got us into the format of these shows and into watching these shows

[01:36:45] and maybe as iconic moments throughout, you know, specifically the challenge

[01:36:48] history, bring them back for a show like this condensed version of

[01:36:52] like 12 episodes or so.

[01:36:54] And you get some big names, people you haven't seen in a while.

[01:36:57] The hype for the challenge All Stars 4 has never been higher.

[01:36:59] So anybody who's on the fence about watching it, even if you don't think

[01:37:03] you know the people watching anyway, you know, it's been a lot of fun.

[01:37:06] Of course, Brian and Ali doing some great coverage over here

[01:37:08] on our HAP as well. So it's been fun.

[01:37:11] All right, Kirsten, you are an all star of your own right

[01:37:13] when it comes to podcasting. What do you have going on?

[01:37:16] Yes. So every week, Sasha, Joseph and I are talking about celebrity gossip,

[01:37:20] pop culture, trending topics, good vibes, vibes only on mess magnets, which is super fun.

[01:37:27] And I'm guessing on the ready to be romanced podcast.

[01:37:32] It's recording this week.

[01:37:33] I think it comes out next week.

[01:37:34] We're talking about Emily Henry's novel Booklovers, which is my favorite book.

[01:37:39] So come check that out when it drops.

[01:37:41] And you can follow me everywhere at Kirsten said what, including Twitch.TV

[01:37:45] slash Kirsten said what?

[01:37:46] And you can follow me at a Mike Bloom type, of course, talking about

[01:37:51] some other big reality shows here on Rob has a podcast survivor aired episode

[01:37:55] several, which some are considering the best episode of the season.

[01:37:59] Had a lot of fun on the BNB this week with Leanna as Beth Dixon,

[01:38:02] where I was proven to be an absolute loser when it comes to my survivor fandom.

[01:38:07] So feel free to check that out if you want to see

[01:38:09] the nursery at its finest or its least fine, depending on your perspective.

[01:38:14] I also do exit press every week over on parade.com

[01:38:17] with the most recently eliminated survivor contestants.

[01:38:19] I do the same for the amazing race, which I talked about with the aforementioned

[01:38:23] Sasha Joseph this week with Jess, which was a very fun time talking

[01:38:26] about a messy as hell season of the amazing race.

[01:38:30] And something that I've been announcing that I will bring here

[01:38:32] as well because it is tear and tangential while you're sitting

[01:38:37] waiting for those daily drops to come.

[01:38:39] The circle is returning season six of the circle is coming on Wednesday.

[01:38:46] The first four episodes are going to air on Netflix.

[01:38:49] I can confirm we will have coverage of the circle and it is a doozy of a panel.

[01:38:54] It is myself.

[01:38:56] It is Taren and it is Puyah.

[01:38:58] The three of us every week are going to be coming in with a breakdown

[01:39:02] of the just dropped batch of episodes on Netflix.

[01:39:06] It's going to be a really fun one because for those of you that don't know,

[01:39:09] one of the people playing is just an AI that sourced everything

[01:39:14] from chat GPT and is just providing that as their prompts.

[01:39:17] And so it is maybe the most like

[01:39:21] the biggest season with the most societal impact, perhaps,

[01:39:23] to let us shine a mirror upon ourselves and see like how truly far

[01:39:27] we have either come or fallen in our acceleration to SkyNet becoming a reality.

[01:39:32] But regardless, it's going to be a super fun time.

[01:39:35] Make sure to check it out on Netflix and check out our coverage with myself,

[01:39:38] Taren and just like like imagine like that person gets power

[01:39:42] and they're in those back to back rooms like with the person that have

[01:39:45] they have to make a decision with and it's AI and a person.

[01:39:47] How is that happening?

[01:39:49] I have seen a little bit so far and I can tell you it is pretty damn fun.

[01:39:53] I feel bad for the people that we are going to mercilessly

[01:39:57] point and laugh at for the next month being like, I cannot believe

[01:40:00] you got duped by an AI, but that's the entire reason for the season.

[01:40:04] And hopefully you'll check out our coverage there as well.

[01:40:06] Speaking of Taren, don't you worry, folks, he will be back.

[01:40:10] The sun will come up tomorrow from this movie night massacre and podcast night

[01:40:14] massacre when I say I thought you killed him.

[01:40:17] What? He's coming back.

[01:40:18] No, Taren will return.

[01:40:20] He always does.

[01:40:21] He is much like a robot in himself.

[01:40:23] But our movie Mike Matzekurston is over.

[01:40:26] I think is what I called it, bringing it back full circle.

[01:40:29] This was such a fun time.

[01:40:31] Thank you both so much.

[01:40:33] Thank you to everyone in the chat.

[01:40:35] Again, this is a very different episode of BBK and a very different panel

[01:40:38] in and of itself, so it felt so fitting.

[01:40:40] But thank you so much for your support throughout our live broadcast here

[01:40:44] and thereafter.

[01:40:45] We'll be back in a couple days time with more BBK coverage until next time, everybody.

[01:40:50] Take care. Bye bye.