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[00:01:01] Hello everyone and welcome to RHAP. I am your host, Aaron Armstrong,

[00:01:21] and we are here tonight to talk about this dramatic episode of Big Brother Canada 12.

[00:01:30] And listen, I will literally die if you don't listen to this podcast.

[00:01:35] It will ruin everything.

[00:01:39] And with me to talk about all of that. It's Mike Bloom. How are you doing Mike?

[00:01:44] I'm great, Teran. I don't know how to follow up on the...

[00:01:47] Is it a death threat if it's your own death? I'm not entirely sure, but you know Big Brother Season is back

[00:01:53] and I'm decked out in all whales because we are having a whale of a time talking about

[00:01:58] Good Lord, Dramatics Abound.

[00:02:02] Yes. Well, nobody knows Dramatics better than my next guest.

[00:02:08] It's Sasha. How you doing Sasha?

[00:02:10] I was like, which one is it? It's how we're going to be. Both works, okay?

[00:02:15] Oh my God. What an episode to come and talk about all of this mess with. I'm ready.

[00:02:23] Well, you heard it. Also with me tonight.

[00:02:30] It's Scali. How you doing Scali?

[00:02:31] Hello, hello. Good, Teran. I have expected you to open with your back to camera conducting the orchestra,

[00:02:37] but no, I'm excited to be here talking about what is quite an eventful week of Big Brother Canada.

[00:02:44] Listen, Scali, do you even know what it's like to be perfect?

[00:02:50] Perfect. Honestly, it was the most relatable I've ever seen someone on Big Brother Canada.

[00:02:56] It was like finally I see myself on TV.

[00:03:00] That's what representation is for super self-confident people, not self-confident at all people.

[00:03:09] We need to be represented in all spectrums.

[00:03:13] The delivery on that line was flawless. Just fantastic.

[00:03:20] If this is what it took for Anthony to really start shining with these self-talks,

[00:03:26] he should have stopped being humble a long time ago.

[00:03:32] Seriously, his bakery's all at a humble pie.

[00:03:35] So he's just throwing out some cannolis in more ways than one.

[00:03:38] It's incredible when you hear on the dailies the past couple of days that Victoria in response to this move is like,

[00:03:45] Canada is going to hate him. He's going to become the villain.

[00:03:48] He'll rue the day that he did this and here is this man already basically writing his own hate tweets

[00:03:54] that he's going to lap up after the season.

[00:03:57] Anyone that was going to hate Anthony already hated Anthony.

[00:04:01] For anyone that liked Anthony, they're eating this up.

[00:04:03] Everyone is super excited to see this side of Anthony on the main show yet again.

[00:04:09] Yeah, they cut out one of the best parts of that rant, which was he was just like,

[00:04:17] I'm the greatest of all time.

[00:04:20] Dane, sorry, bro, but you know you don't have this juice.

[00:04:24] Kevin Jacobs, Kevin Martin, Kevin Costner.

[00:04:31] Not the Yellowstone slander.

[00:04:33] Karen knows Kevin Costner. Wow.

[00:04:38] It was it's it was great.

[00:04:41] And I mean, here's the thing.

[00:04:44] What are we right?

[00:04:47] I watched Sunday's episode, you know, just like, all right, the plan is in place.

[00:04:54] It's obviously Bailey and Todd go on the blog.

[00:04:59] It's a one out of five chance that spicy wins.

[00:05:02] And I was talking a lot about scenarios.

[00:05:04] I was talking about how I felt like you shouldn't say the plan ahead of time

[00:05:07] because now if spicy does win, you're in a lot of trouble.

[00:05:10] Your main priority should be protecting Lexis.

[00:05:13] And then with like 10 minutes left in that episode, Anthony just like blindsides me.

[00:05:21] And he's like, all right, so I'm thinking I nominate Lexis.

[00:05:26] And I lost my mind.

[00:05:29] I was like, you are kidding me.

[00:05:31] Like that is that seems like such a terrible decision because you've now changed the odds from a one in five bad outcome in the veto where no matter what happens as long as spicy doesn't win, Lexis is guaranteed safe to now you have to basically.

[00:05:50] You or Lexis must win in order to guarantee Lexis is safe.

[00:05:53] It's now a two in five chance of winning that veto and making sure that Lexis stays in the game through the mechanics of the game, I guess.

[00:06:04] And that to me just felt like such an absurd risk to take at this stage of the game.

[00:06:10] Because you're not perfect.

[00:06:12] And yet, right?

[00:06:14] Like, and I talked about this on Sunday on my stream.

[00:06:18] It's, you know, we didn't schedule a podcast for that night because who knew.

[00:06:23] But like it is it is a difference.

[00:06:27] And I talked about like to me it feels like how we talked about Suri in a lot of ways and Big Brother 25 where it's like, yes, you can look at the chess board and you can say this is the objectively correct move from a strategic standpoint, given the rules of chess.

[00:06:47] This is a problem like chess has problems you can solve and there's a correct answer.

[00:06:53] But what some players are able to do is change the rules of chess.

[00:07:00] And that's what Anthony did with this move.

[00:07:03] And as long as it I should say as long as it lands as long as it does actually land.

[00:07:09] Well, and then there's one thing about it landing and then it's is it going to land a week from now as well of OK, there's logic behind this.

[00:07:18] Is this the correct logic?

[00:07:20] And I mean, it's fantastic.

[00:07:22] And I feel like we were already eating good with Big Brother Canada 12 up to this point.

[00:07:27] You know, we already had a blind side of a number number one ally for the ages with Dennis and Vivek that come out of nowhere.

[00:07:33] We even had all this stuff with Kayla as well that felt like a big turn of the screw.

[00:07:39] This feels like a whole new level.

[00:07:41] Like if I may be so candid, I think we're witnessing the Big Brother equivalent of Lex and Boston Rob not since those days.

[00:07:51] 20 years ago have we had a betrayal that was grounded in something so outside of the game that brought so many emotional and preexisting elements into it.

[00:08:02] That wasn't just oh, we found ourselves in this game and then we betrayed each other.

[00:08:06] This is you could see Victoria's meltdown over this quite literally in front of that fake fireplace that like she feels legitimately crushed by someone that she considered a friend outside of this house.

[00:08:19] That comparison was so unexpected for me that it took me at least three seconds to go from when did Lexus interact with Boston Rob?

[00:08:30] I know no survivor fan here.

[00:08:34] So I was like, what do you mean?

[00:08:36] When did this happen?

[00:08:37] There was a Lexus.

[00:08:39] Yeah, Boston Rob won a Lexus with Amber and Survivor All Stars.

[00:08:42] They went to go together.

[00:08:44] Yes, I knew there was a car involved.

[00:08:47] Yeah, I mean, definitely.

[00:08:50] This is and throughout the episode for me, the thing that continued to like nag on my mind was the question I've had really all season long, which is like, how much does spicy actually believe what she's saying about her loyalty to Anthony?

[00:09:08] Right.

[00:09:09] Because I watch spicy in the game.

[00:09:12] I watch her in the house and I see how she interacts with and lies to her fellow contestants.

[00:09:18] And I know that she will do everything in her power to convince them that she is on their side as much as possible.

[00:09:31] And I also know that she cares a lot about like optics.

[00:09:34] She told Anthony the reason she gave the sympathy vote to Avery was because of hot chocolate.

[00:09:38] She didn't want hot chocolate to have no votes, all votes against themselves.

[00:09:43] When she took out Donna, she said to the cameras like, America, Canada don't hate me.

[00:09:49] I'm not anti-women.

[00:09:53] And then she mentioned in the house about how it was like, I could never turn on Anthony because the alumni community would hate me.

[00:10:01] And so similar to I think how she plays the game, it's like, well, I think she's trying to like have all of the cake and eat it too, where it's like, I'm not any of these things.

[00:10:14] I'm all for the women winning 100%, but I'm also all for Anthony winning 100%.

[00:10:20] And I'm also all for like every conceivable angle 100%.

[00:10:25] And so it feels like I'm primed to expect her to try to play me in the diary room when she says, I'm so loyal to Anthony.

[00:10:35] But at the same time, it's like, how does she ever expect me to believe?

[00:10:39] And there's so much reason to think that she might actually believe it herself, right?

[00:10:43] And so it gets so hard to parse out exactly how much of this is genuine belief that she hasn't done anything wrong to Anthony and how much of it is like just active trying to trick us.

[00:10:57] Yeah.

[00:10:58] Yeah. I mean, especially because part of that Canada don't hate me.

[00:11:02] Like it's only Donna was there will be two women in the final two.

[00:11:06] And so that was like explicitly said in the diary room.

[00:11:09] And so at that point, I kind of believed that and I don't know if we have developed along the way because I was trying to keep like an eye on spicy conversations with everyone else in the house.

[00:11:19] And so I'm looking at how she talks to Anthony versus how she talks to Todd.

[00:11:23] And I was like, when she's talking to Todd, like this feels like you can tell she's lying.

[00:11:26] Like she's not putting in a whole lot of effort.

[00:11:28] But I also wonder if that's because she has such a low estimation of Todd's game that she's not putting in that much effort and thinks she can literally get completely get away with whatever she wants to say and whatever tone she uses.

[00:11:39] And it won't matter.

[00:11:40] But it does come off more genuine when speaking to Anthony, even outside of that last conversation.

[00:11:46] I will say this, if not for specifically the diary rooms.

[00:11:51] If it was if I only ever saw episodes without diary rooms and all of the drops.

[00:11:58] I would never in a million years believe that she was planning to bring Anthony the final or loyal to Anthony in any serious way.

[00:12:08] I would.

[00:12:09] Yeah, I would say you're an absolute fool if you believe that.

[00:12:13] Which is part of the problem, which is why Anthony said, OK, I can understand why you've been wanting to take me out and you've been undercutting me because despite you promising me, you want to take me to the final two.

[00:12:24] Your actions have proven essentially anything but outside of like you saying, yeah, but you're still here.

[00:12:29] That means I'm doing something right.

[00:12:32] Yeah, it's just it's so it's so tricky to navigate.

[00:12:37] You know, and this is but this is like the card that she's playing with Anthony in this moment.

[00:12:43] And and clearly it's it's not the right one in this moment.

[00:12:47] Like it doesn't seem to be working with Anthony at this point, at least.

[00:12:53] And so like, is it enough to sway Anthony?

[00:12:59] Can she get Anthony to believe what she is selling even though it's not even though like the way she's doing it.

[00:13:06] The truth of it is that it's not true whether she believes it's the truth or not is another question.

[00:13:12] But can she convince him of something that is not true?

[00:13:16] And and would that be enough to change his plans in the first place?

[00:13:20] It doesn't feel like it because like he fully left Bailey off the block.

[00:13:25] Like at that point, you're really in trouble.

[00:13:29] But especially because like if he didn't put up spicy, if he did say put up Bailey,

[00:13:35] he is now not only not taking the shot at Spicey after having set it up,

[00:13:39] but he's also relying on her to not vote out Lexus.

[00:13:44] And here's the thing.

[00:13:46] I think there are so many like scenarios of like, oh, do we believe Spicey?

[00:13:51] Right. Like she's a great gaslighter and that's fine.

[00:13:54] And that's what we want on Big Brother period, right?

[00:13:57] Girl boss gaslight gatekeep.

[00:13:59] I like that keep going.

[00:14:01] The thing is Anthony just needs to say she got friends and jury.

[00:14:06] I'm not beating her.

[00:14:08] And that's it.

[00:14:09] We don't need anything else.

[00:14:11] And he does say that don't get me wrong.

[00:14:13] But then I think there is that human aspect of like,

[00:14:16] I know her were probably friends in real life.

[00:14:19] We, you know, we've made it this far, blah, blah, blah.

[00:14:22] And I screw her at the end of the day.

[00:14:24] If you're going to go villain, let's just be the villain and say,

[00:14:27] you're not going to beat me in final four.

[00:14:29] I don't think you say that to her face necessarily because she,

[00:14:33] she all over addictive and she got a lot of friends.

[00:14:36] But I think that's,

[00:14:37] I think it's a little better than what he has been doing,

[00:14:39] which is like the Vanessa Russo here are the reasons why I had to do it.

[00:14:43] Oh, right.

[00:14:44] And like he does come in right with the receipts and the facts

[00:14:47] and the figures and everything like that.

[00:14:49] And like, that's great.

[00:14:50] And it's been marvelous to watch.

[00:14:52] I can't think since like maybe Paulie Califiore have we not seen someone's game

[00:14:56] in plowed over the course of like only a few days rather than Saria

[00:15:00] as an example where the air was just slowly getting let out of the balloon.

[00:15:04] But in this case,

[00:15:05] I feel like Anthony also kind of wanted to make her feel like,

[00:15:09] Hey, you did this to yourself.

[00:15:11] And I think Victoria,

[00:15:12] I think it's already been kind of saying in some of the daily drops that I've

[00:15:15] been seeing that like she was not happy when she heard that and that

[00:15:19] she feels like she is kind of being like guilted into, well, I had to do this

[00:15:24] because you were the one that was leading me along with all this.

[00:15:27] Yeah, it's definitely tricky.

[00:15:29] And I think with most circumstances,

[00:15:32] I think that the play is to try to keep it game as much as possible.

[00:15:37] I think that people try to justify their actions too much in the game.

[00:15:42] And that may be the case here, but it is.

[00:15:46] It is also like a situation where they do know each other outside of the game.

[00:15:51] And I think that definitely does complicate things and it and it also

[00:15:56] it complicates things because like Anthony's whole stick,

[00:16:00] his whole thing is that he will bring somebody to the end that could possibly be him.

[00:16:09] And and and, you know, whether that's true or not,

[00:16:14] if it is true, then he's just genuinely being honest with her about the only reasons he's doing this.

[00:16:20] And if it's not true, he can't exactly tell it to the person he's about to send home

[00:16:24] because then she'll sing it from the rooftops.

[00:16:27] You know what I mean?

[00:16:28] Like so it is like a tricky, I think thing to navigate,

[00:16:33] especially because we know that Spicey is going to have a lot of sway in jury.

[00:16:38] And and that's that's one of the reasons that's one of the main reasons I think why I am so caught up on how much of this does she believe herself

[00:16:49] because if she actually somehow believes that she's never done any wrong to Anthony,

[00:16:55] then I think she's a lot more likely to go into jury feeling like how dare this guy

[00:17:01] he doesn't deserve to win after what he did.

[00:17:04] But if she either at least partially knows or certainly if she fully knows like I was dogging Anthony all season long,

[00:17:11] he caught me.

[00:17:13] I'm just trying to pretend I wasn't.

[00:17:16] And part of that performance will probably be then voting for him in the end.

[00:17:20] I think she's a lot more likely to be a vote for Anthony in the end.

[00:17:25] So so like how much of it does she believe is the book?

[00:17:29] The question on my mind, the question that I plan to potentially ask her if if I am going to be speaking with her.

[00:17:36] I mean how much how much do we think the timing helps her hurt this?

[00:17:39] She's going to get evicted one week before the finale and we see this with like final four jurors who barely get time to

[00:17:47] send most likely with final three jurors who just go to the chairs and don't consult with the jury at all.

[00:17:52] Do you think having more or less time would help her?

[00:17:55] Let's say she is does leave a bit bitter.

[00:17:57] Does that giving lesser more time allow her to change her mood better or worse?

[00:18:04] It's hard to say, I think.

[00:18:06] I don't think it only takes a week for spicy to stop getting upset about something.

[00:18:10] Yeah, I mean, I think that especially when you have such a strong hold on the game for so long as she did like I think that there are some players and I think that I may or may not fall into thinking like this occasionally of like even if I did do something

[00:18:25] wrong, you shouldn't have been able to see through this.

[00:18:27] And so I'm still a little mad about it.

[00:18:29] Like I did do this to you, but you should still believe me.

[00:18:32] So I'm mad.

[00:18:33] Like I am very frustrated.

[00:18:35] It's the thing where it's like if if you had believed the things I was telling you, you should have had no reason to doubt me.

[00:18:43] But you did doubt me despite everything I was telling you.

[00:18:46] And yes, I was lying.

[00:18:48] But you should have believed me.

[00:18:50] How dare you?

[00:18:52] I think and I mean this as a compliment, like just the Lulu enough to where I don't think she sees the bigger picture.

[00:19:01] I listen at the end of the day, maybe she sees the light when it's time to vote.

[00:19:05] But currently I do feel that you know, hearing hearing the what the outs outdoor chat and how she's like I would literally die.

[00:19:14] She what she I think didn't finish the sentence die of embarrassment because you played me.

[00:19:19] You put a clown nose on me and I don't like that.

[00:19:22] So Tim, I don't even think anything matters.

[00:19:25] It's more that she's like, look how I was acting right not just in the diary room, but she went hard wins.

[00:19:33] She goes into the solo cam and she's like, I'm not going anywhere.

[00:19:38] Sorry, sorry Bailey.

[00:19:40] You're done.

[00:19:41] I guess it's on now.

[00:19:43] So there's a lot of ego because this would be me too.

[00:19:47] I'd be like, I'm embarrassed.

[00:19:49] Like look at me, you know, because the thing is if this happens to me, right?

[00:19:54] If everybody's plotting on my ass and I don't know this, the earth and if the earth then open and swallow me up from like what do I do?

[00:20:03] Right.

[00:20:05] So that's where I see her as a player where she's like, no, you embarrassed me.

[00:20:10] It doesn't even matter why, right?

[00:20:13] Because everyone's a main character of their own story.

[00:20:16] So I just like in her mind, she's like, no, but you played me and I don't like that.

[00:20:20] And you got all the quote unquote underlings to like turn against me when it was my stick to work with them and lie to them.

[00:20:30] Yeah, especially when I was playing with them.

[00:20:33] Yeah, especially when like I think that this can often happen because here's why I often would recommend against trying to justify yourself too much by placing the blame on the person.

[00:20:46] Like these are the things you did wrong because I think the more a person is inclined to blame themselves, the more likely they are to lash out all the harder against the people who did it to them because nobody wants to feel bad.

[00:21:03] Especially about themselves.

[00:21:05] And so they have more incentive to push it on to somebody else if it is being pushed onto them by either themselves or another person and in spices, hey, it's like it's hard, I think, for her to look at the game and not find all of the things that she did that led to this moment.

[00:21:28] Like the Kayla eviction, the various things she has said about Anthony, the fact that she basically just like hollowed out her own game in order to protect Bailey and Todd all of this time only for them to be snatched out from under her.

[00:21:45] It's just like at every turn it's like I should have done something different.

[00:21:50] And emotionally, I think there's a shortcut to not feeling bad about that by just saying, well,

[00:21:58] freaking Anthony though, it would have been fine if not for him.

[00:22:02] That's the thing is that like there is sort of this not confirmation bias because nothing's confirmed but this idea of like, yeah, but I was going to win.

[00:22:10] I mean, we have to look at in this episode.

[00:22:13] She is on cloud freaking 19 after that nomination ceremony.

[00:22:19] I can't believe I'm not put on the block.

[00:22:23] Here we go.

[00:22:24] I'm doing it all over again like she is already writing that check in her head and then to just take a huge fall down to her basically begging for her life in front of Anthony.

[00:22:35] Probably what like timeline wise two days later, it's a lot to recover from and you know we shall see exactly what the mood is as she walks out.

[00:22:46] This could also be something where like maybe at the end of the day she's going to go back to one of the many things she told the cameras which is like, yes, Anthony, you know, did me a little bit dirty but I don't want to piss off the alumni community by not giving him the win.

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[00:25:05] Here's a prediction, I think that could happen given what we've seen a spicy in

[00:25:10] the house, right?

[00:25:12] Spicy comes out.

[00:25:14] She casts her vote.

[00:25:16] Oh, it's for Anthony.

[00:25:19] But goose Avery.

[00:25:22] Hala.

[00:25:24] Todd maybe like a bunch of other people in the jury house.

[00:25:27] Oh man, they just all voted for.

[00:25:30] Let this maybe like Haley.

[00:25:32] Yeah, like sympathy vote.

[00:25:34] She loves that.

[00:25:35] And in spices just like, oh man, there was just.

[00:25:38] Nothing I could do.

[00:25:40] I tried so hard to get them to vote for Anthony, but I just I went in and

[00:25:45] they all just already felt that way.

[00:25:47] And then of course,

[00:25:50] like the X interviews are like, wait, I thought she was voting with us.

[00:25:54] She wanted us to do that.

[00:25:56] I beg when I.

[00:25:59] I love liking all of these people because I'm like they could all win.

[00:26:03] It's fine.

[00:26:04] I don't actually care.

[00:26:05] So tell me I want maximum chaos and Anthony deserves to win.

[00:26:09] I'm not saying that.

[00:26:10] But let's keep logic over there.

[00:26:12] And let's go to the spicy viewer.

[00:26:14] I beg that they vote for us.

[00:26:16] Let's go to the spicy viewer.

[00:26:18] I beg that this happens.

[00:26:20] I beg that she's the first vote somehow.

[00:26:22] I don't care.

[00:26:23] Arisa figure this out red and she's like Anthony and then the

[00:26:27] Domino's is fall horribly.

[00:26:30] Oh my God.

[00:26:32] I would dance in my room.

[00:26:34] Like I'm not even joking because I love mess and no one deserves this,

[00:26:38] but I deserve to win.

[00:26:40] And this is how I went.

[00:26:42] I mean, her and Avery no matter how she feels,

[00:26:46] it's going to be magnified so much.

[00:26:48] Right?

[00:26:49] The two of them were the,

[00:26:51] the two dumb bitches that just say exactly to each other meme.

[00:26:54] Right?

[00:26:55] We're like, they were always feeding each other's worst.

[00:26:57] Yeah.

[00:26:58] Exactly.

[00:26:59] Not calling them dumb bitches,

[00:27:00] but more so speaking to the meme.

[00:27:01] And so I think that no matter what,

[00:27:03] what number she walks into the jury house with Avery is going

[00:27:07] to amplify it.

[00:27:08] We'll see if like Kayla is a part of that as well.

[00:27:10] She was formerly though maybe not necessarily anymore.

[00:27:13] And so this is what we need.

[00:27:15] I'm hoping for a jury house segment tomorrow and maybe another

[00:27:18] one at the final four eviction show because this just feels

[00:27:21] too good to resist, especially with this cast.

[00:27:24] Well, that's so that's the thing.

[00:27:26] That's one of the things that spicy tried to claim to Anthony

[00:27:29] where she was like, no, it was all Avery like Avery was

[00:27:33] just so against you.

[00:27:34] And there was nothing I could do.

[00:27:36] And he was like, excuse me,

[00:27:38] the Avery, the person who was like, spicy, you're my favorite

[00:27:43] player.

[00:27:44] Like she literally took out her best friend Kayla for you on

[00:27:47] your order.

[00:27:48] You're telling me that you couldn't control Avery.

[00:27:51] And she's like, no, yeah, like I stopped Avery from putting

[00:27:55] you on the block, which is technically true.

[00:27:58] Avery did come up with a plan to put Anthony on the

[00:28:01] block as a pawn and spicy shut it down.

[00:28:04] But there's a couple of caveats to that one.

[00:28:08] Spicy shut it down because she wanted the mat backdoor plan to

[00:28:11] go through.

[00:28:12] Two, the only reason Avery even thought about putting Anthony

[00:28:17] on the block was because of everything spicy had been

[00:28:20] telling her about Anthony for the last like two weeks.

[00:28:25] Who cares? Maximum chaos.

[00:28:28] Come on, everybody.

[00:28:33] So, so yeah, I mean, this is this is where we are.

[00:28:38] And we'll see where things go.

[00:28:40] I guess let's talk a little bit more about the episode and

[00:28:43] then we'll talk about the latest from the drops because

[00:28:47] there's a lot to speculate on, I think, moving forward.

[00:28:51] So what we saw in the episode, we saw the veto

[00:28:55] competition.

[00:28:56] And I will say I was starting to get a bad feeling

[00:29:02] about the competition.

[00:29:04] I was I've got a lot of like competition related trauma in

[00:29:10] my big brother viewing experience.

[00:29:12] And I've talked about how like I didn't even I didn't really

[00:29:15] want to talk about the competitions yet until I watched

[00:29:18] them all play out because I didn't want to compliment a

[00:29:20] show and then have it have it fail me.

[00:29:23] And when I saw Todd won his third veto in a row,

[00:29:27] I was like, all right, OK, I don't know.

[00:29:30] Are we are we getting are we getting more bad?

[00:29:34] Right now. Yeah, like is are we tying up things again?

[00:29:39] You know, but seeing this competition,

[00:29:42] I think it is still an example of what I've talked about where

[00:29:46] it's like if you do give athletic competition,

[00:29:49] if you do put up competitions in the game too often,

[00:29:53] you will then see something like this where it's like, OK,

[00:29:56] Todd has won three comps in a row and three vetoes in

[00:29:59] a row and I would say that they all seem relatively fair.

[00:30:03] Now throw in two athletic comps in the mix,

[00:30:07] just to two athletic comps, three non-athletic comps.

[00:30:11] All of a sudden Todd's won five, right?

[00:30:14] Because he can still win the other ones.

[00:30:17] So that being said, I loved this comp.

[00:30:20] I thought this was fantastic.

[00:30:21] So good. It was so good.

[00:30:23] Like I loved all the stages and I loved again like this

[00:30:27] sort of a random esque element towards the end, I would say,

[00:30:30] where like you could still puzzle things out and it was it incentivize

[00:30:34] those people that were able to get through the course quickly

[00:30:36] so that they had multiple shots.

[00:30:37] That's what happens with Todd.

[00:30:38] He goes through what three times and still gets it.

[00:30:41] But there is still this element of like, yeah,

[00:30:43] but we can still keep it even because there is a forced element

[00:30:46] where unless this person is super lucky,

[00:30:48] they're not going to get it on their first try.

[00:30:50] This is exactly the kind of innovation I have been sort of like

[00:30:55] campaigning for, for the show where it's like,

[00:30:59] this is essentially a crapshoot comp stacked on top of a skill comp.

[00:31:05] Which are two of my favorite kind of stuff.

[00:31:08] And yeah, so it wasn't just pure crapshoot because some people don't like those

[00:31:12] and I understand that even though I do.

[00:31:15] But it added that the skill element where like, yeah,

[00:31:17] Todd was really good at the skill portion

[00:31:19] and it allowed him to have more attempts at the crapshoot portion,

[00:31:23] which is really cool.

[00:31:25] And the crapshoot portion was fun enough to watch.

[00:31:29] The skill portion was fun, like and easy to watch.

[00:31:33] It also it created a lot of separation as well within the between the players.

[00:31:37] You could very easily see like who was in the lead at what time.

[00:31:40] Oh, this person finished their thing again.

[00:31:42] They're now taking another attempt.

[00:31:43] Oh, are they going to win?

[00:31:45] It was easy to follow.

[00:31:46] I think it worked on a ton of different levels

[00:31:48] and keeps you very engaged to the very end where it's like

[00:31:52] with most competitions, they'll have to try to trick you like,

[00:31:56] oh, this person that's like five minutes in the lead.

[00:31:59] Could they be beat though?

[00:32:01] Whereas with this one, it was like any time anybody went up there,

[00:32:06] they genuinely had a chance no matter how far behind they had been previously.

[00:32:10] So anything like I was watching this knowing spicy didn't win

[00:32:14] being like, oh my God, spicy could win this.

[00:32:16] Or like could have really won this.

[00:32:19] And that's a great, great thing.

[00:32:22] I think that this was absolutely a great call.

[00:32:27] I think especially after that double eviction where I was just like,

[00:32:30] what are we doing?

[00:32:32] Great stuff with this one and overall the competitions have still been very good.

[00:32:36] I'm waiting to see what this final four veto is going to be

[00:32:39] because that's always my least favorite competition always favors the same exact kind of person.

[00:32:43] But this was fantastic.

[00:32:47] Yeah, I really liked it when I first saw that maze.

[00:32:51] I was like, all right, Mario Party like like greens.

[00:32:54] Whatever, like that's my favorite color.

[00:32:57] But then when Anthony actually did it, I was wondering if anyone was looking at him like,

[00:33:02] you're not going to even try.

[00:33:04] Like you're really just like going to go and just go at random.

[00:33:06] And like the guy who we have said like needs to make sure that he also like is winning a couple comps.

[00:33:11] Looks like he's trying a couple comps.

[00:33:13] The best move to just actually look like you who cares whatever.

[00:33:17] I'm just going to wing it.

[00:33:19] But I think with the people left, probably be fine.

[00:33:22] I thought that was the best strategy because it because if it was truly just a crapshoot,

[00:33:27] you could follow the paths all you wanted.

[00:33:29] There was a hidden portion.

[00:33:31] So like why waste time?

[00:33:33] Especially because he was in a very, very last one.

[00:33:37] And so for him and also he benefits from the fact that I don't know how many were up there,

[00:33:40] like 10, 12 options and a few had gone down at that point.

[00:33:44] So he's like, the odds are pretty good for me.

[00:33:46] So let me just flip one over and see what happens.

[00:33:49] He also was probably incredibly frustrated.

[00:33:52] You say, Taryn, how much fun it was to watch?

[00:33:54] It was, but it was a little bit of shot in Florida on behalf of these contestants that like,

[00:33:58] as Lexa said, will probably never get ice in their drinks again for a little while at least given just how incredibly frustrating.

[00:34:05] You know what this really honestly felt like the most survivary challenge we've seen,

[00:34:08] especially from an individual perspective, right?

[00:34:11] Where it's like, do all of these individual dexterity based tasks and then do a big equalizer at the end.

[00:34:17] In this case, it was puzzle-esque, I would say, but still again had that random element to it.

[00:34:22] How did you survive it to have more crapshooty stuff?

[00:34:25] Me too. Me too.

[00:34:27] How did you all feel about knowing which color wins?

[00:34:30] Because again, I knew who won the veto, but it didn't matter.

[00:34:33] It was still such an exciting conch that I wish I almost didn't know what color wins because I was like,

[00:34:39] oh, is Todd going to win? Who's going to? Is this going to be the right color?

[00:34:43] Is that going to be the right color?

[00:34:45] Again, even though I knew the end, I just couldn't believe that the man went through three times and still won.

[00:34:53] And these people have not balanced that damn lime.

[00:34:56] Like forget the ice. Lime is a real, you know, enemy here.

[00:35:01] I couldn't believe that Bailey and Victoria didn't even make it once past that damn thing.

[00:35:07] Yeah, well, I was trying to figure out like what it was.

[00:35:10] It was basically that you had to navigate it around this sort of arc-like surface, but there were no guardrails.

[00:35:15] There was like a little bit of a guardrail at one point, I think.

[00:35:18] But very, very, yeah.

[00:35:20] It's one of those things like the ice thing seemed impossible.

[00:35:25] And yet people did it. Some people did it pretty quickly.

[00:35:28] And then the lime thing seems seemed super easy to me and they had so much trouble with it.

[00:35:34] So like just, yeah, I think it was one of those things where it's probably a lot harder than it looked.

[00:35:39] Or maybe they're all just really bad at it.

[00:35:42] Anthony got through it pretty quickly.

[00:35:45] I'm right.

[00:35:47] The ice was the thing that he probably the rest of us would probably struggle with the most, which is just staying there the whole damn time stacking ice cubes.

[00:35:53] I think I think his size probably hurt him there since they had to step on the thing to keep it stable.

[00:36:01] Like he's got like longer legs.

[00:36:03] And so I think, yeah, maybe a little harder to keep that balance.

[00:36:08] But I'm thinking as a tall, like as a shorty, like are my hands even reaching all the way to the right?

[00:36:14] It's calibrated for height.

[00:36:16] Oh, is it?

[00:36:18] I don't know.

[00:36:19] So here's the other.

[00:36:21] I think besides Anthony, height was all right.

[00:36:24] I would imagine to the point about like maybe the comp equity becoming a bit more imbalanced towards the end here that you could look at Todd with the three Pete and be like, oh my God, he's got to go next.

[00:36:35] But you say that these last couple of comps on like especially part three of the final age is pretty much all trivia.

[00:36:42] That's what Kevin Martin taught us.

[00:36:44] You know, you got to get the you got to get the cheat sheet.

[00:36:46] You got to study up.

[00:36:47] Todd doesn't even know where the Cliffs notes are.

[00:36:50] He was given them at the beginning of the semester and lost them at the bottom of his closet.

[00:36:54] Like this guy, I don't think knows his days whatsoever.

[00:36:59] And I think that makes him a prime person to bring to the finale.

[00:37:02] He does. He does know his days.

[00:37:04] He's definitely the weakest in the day.

[00:37:06] It's depart.

[00:37:08] He has studied with the other players.

[00:37:10] He occasionally he very like publicly got one day very wrong.

[00:37:16] It was corrected for him.

[00:37:19] He is definitely not as quick on the draw when he's when he's studying, but you know, the thing always comes down to like are the questions hard enough for it to matter because if there are easy questions.

[00:37:33] Todd has, I would say very little disadvantage in terms of knowledge.

[00:37:40] If they're moderate questions, then we'll start to see some separation.

[00:37:45] If they're hard questions.

[00:37:47] I definitely think he has a hard time winning like a quiz.

[00:37:49] So like it really just depends on the difficulty level of the questions themselves.

[00:37:55] But but yes, I think this is probably best case scenario for the kinds of comps.

[00:37:59] We do usually get where it's like, yes, Todd is going to be the most capable physically of winning these competitions.

[00:38:07] But he is also the weakest at the quiz portions.

[00:38:11] And so hopefully that balances things out enough that we still get a good spread.

[00:38:16] So yeah, well, we will see.

[00:38:20] We will see what happens there.

[00:38:23] Should we talk about some daily drops?

[00:38:27] Let's do it. Yeah.

[00:38:30] All right, let's do it.

[00:38:32] We've got some spoilers.

[00:38:34] You guys hear that?

[00:38:38] No.

[00:38:40] My heart.

[00:38:42] I was like, I was like, I didn't think it worked, but then Sasha was dancing.

[00:38:48] So I'm ready.

[00:38:50] I'm dancing prep dancing.

[00:38:52] My soundboard is broken right now.

[00:38:53] So we're not going to get this.

[00:38:55] Not this.

[00:38:57] I mean, it's okay because like, should we follow up with like the biggest spoiler,

[00:39:01] which is the resolution to the cliffhanger that they needlessly put in here?

[00:39:05] Yeah, I will let me let me just quickly reenact the conversation.

[00:39:09] They cliffhangered here.

[00:39:11] Anthony goes up. He taught he pulls in Bailey.

[00:39:14] He says, did she really say those things and Bailey says yes.

[00:39:18] And he said, yeah, I thought so.

[00:39:20] I mean, she's going up anyway.

[00:39:22] Yeah, I don't know why do you end on that?

[00:39:25] And how do you not end on the beautifully cinematic ending complete with the gods themselves brought the rain to make this even more epic to represent the fire and water that these two oppositional returnees are at this point.

[00:39:40] And it all ends with Anthony running out of things to honestly respond to at this point.

[00:39:44] His mind already made up despite her furtive cries and pleas of no, please don't do this to me.

[00:39:50] You're killing me.

[00:39:52] He just gets up and walks away.

[00:39:54] How do you not end your episode on that?

[00:39:57] Like I guess they're trying to build in some sort of mystery of like Bailey is the key here.

[00:40:03] But to your point, Taren, Anthony was holding the keys the entire time.

[00:40:07] Yeah, I get it.

[00:40:09] They want to like add a little bit of uncertainty.

[00:40:12] I don't think that's necessary.

[00:40:14] I agree.

[00:40:16] I think it would have been better to end on the drama and just like the shot of him walking away cut to black would have been really fun, I think.

[00:40:25] But I also think that putting her on the block as at the end of the episode would have been really fun.

[00:40:32] Thank you.

[00:40:34] An awful idea.

[00:40:36] We've been talking, Mike and I, at least have been talking about the circle and the just God awful cliffhangers that they have on there.

[00:40:44] And compared to that, this is like, you know, this is like citizen came.

[00:40:50] The circle would have ended with the POV ceremony and Anthony saying my replacement nominee is and then it's like an external shot of the house and then say come back next week and find out what happens.

[00:41:00] No, but in the preview, they would have shown spicy sitting on the block.

[00:41:05] Oh, my God.

[00:41:07] You know, so the benefits are listen, there's an episode tomorrow night.

[00:41:12] It's the cliffhangers on top of that you can find out if you want by watching the drop.

[00:41:18] So I'm definitely less concerned about the cliffhangers.

[00:41:21] In fact, if anything like I I'm fine with them mixing the formula up here and there.

[00:41:26] The only thing I don't like about it.

[00:41:28] The truth thing I don't like about it is that it makes it less likely we're going to live HOH tomorrow night.

[00:41:32] Because they have to fit in the ceremony on top of everything else.

[00:41:36] But, you know, I don't think that's the I don't think they're going to push the live HOH for that.

[00:41:42] It's just that they probably already didn't plan on having it in there if and then they were like us.

[00:41:48] We've got time.

[00:41:50] Well, right.

[00:41:52] Because we have Sunday, Monday, Wednesday again, we have a full week.

[00:41:56] So it makes sense that they do HOH nominations on Sunday because this is final four.

[00:42:00] It's relatively straightforward. Doesn't matter.

[00:42:03] And then POV and veto meaning slash eviction on that Monday.

[00:42:07] So, so here's the thing.

[00:42:10] I tweeted this out on Monday that we saw the drops happen with the end of the drops.

[00:42:16] Spicy was sitting on the block and close enough to it.

[00:42:22] And I said the shot landed spices on the block.

[00:42:25] But the week is far from over because she's sitting next to Lexus and alien Todd have already had a conversation where they talked about a spicy being the weakest competitor of the remaining players and be when spicy leaves.

[00:42:46] It will be to V2 in the final four.

[00:42:49] And those two points were brought up in the same conversation.

[00:42:53] All you need to do is combine those two points to come to the conclusion that, hey, maybe we should consider keeping the weakest competitor in spicy taking out Lexus and giving us much better odds at the final four.

[00:43:06] There's a pretty good argument to do that for both of them.

[00:43:11] Although technically if you're Todd, you probably can only win next to Lexus.

[00:43:16] And so that complicates things.

[00:43:18] But he doesn't really see it that way in my opinion.

[00:43:21] So there's a lot of reason to believe that they could on their own even without talking to spicy at all come to the conclusion that for their own self interest, they should betray Anthony and Lexus, vote Lexus out and keep spicy into the final four.

[00:43:34] And there's plenty of time for them to come to that conclusion not to mention the fact that spicy could campaign to them offer them promises clear up some inconsistencies.

[00:43:43] And just like that, this could really all come back onto Lexus which is why the move in the first place seemed so ludicrous.

[00:43:49] However, today's drop, which was just about an hour and 45 minutes a lot shorter than most have been had some information in it that to me indicated that spices odds have gone down pretty considerably.

[00:44:07] Number one, her campaign has not been great.

[00:44:12] She is making the classic mistake of trying to play every single conceivable angle rather than just picking a lane and sticking to it, which is especially at religious in this spot because there only is one lane.

[00:44:28] Like it's literally just Bailey and Todd they are the votes they control it.

[00:44:31] It's you only campaign to the Anthony and Lexus have nothing to do with it yet.

[00:44:38] Spicy has spent a lot of time and effort campaigning to Anthony and even Lexus who's on the block next to her, which then gives them a ton of ammunition to bring back to Bailey and Todd about all the things she's saying and it makes her look really bad.

[00:44:54] Makes her look like a player that cannot be trusted if she promises Bailey and Todd anything they can't be believed because you will play every angle.

[00:45:02] So in many ways, Spicey's campaign I think has made it worse for herself less likely that she will stay.

[00:45:09] And then on top of that Anthony and Lexus have been doing a good job of staying on top of Bailey and Todd so far.

[00:45:14] And then the final point, the point that really drove it home for me that like, oh, it's really not looking good is that when I tweeted yesterday that the week was far from over at around the same time.

[00:45:28] I'm pretty sure the weekend.

[00:45:30] Yeah, because they had said right they were talking about like a live eviction tomorrow and it was on April 28th which would indicate that it was yesterday.

[00:45:37] We believe that the eviction took place yesterday much shorter that much sooner than obviously tomorrow night would have been.

[00:45:47] And I completely agree with what you were saying, particularly to your first point.

[00:45:51] I mean, look, it's tough for a tiger to change their stripes.

[00:45:53] Victoria was somebody that spent the entirety of this game talking out of all possible sides of her mouth and making sure that she was set up good with everybody.

[00:46:02] It's a reason why like, with the exception of the Tola HOH, she was pretty much in with every single HOH this season, even if it wasn't her.

[00:46:12] At the same time, if the reason why people are turning on you is because they're comparing notes and saying, oh, she's telling us all different things to turn us against each other.

[00:46:23] I think the last thing you want to do is go to people and tell them all different things to turn them against each other.

[00:46:29] You are only proving the points that have been accused against you.

[00:46:34] It's so hard because it worked for her this far, right?

[00:46:40] So you can't even fault her for it.

[00:46:42] And I think there is some level of, I don't know, hubris or something, you know, some almost like a block where she's not putting the pieces together.

[00:46:53] The Anthony is no longer on her side.

[00:46:56] So what is the reason to go and tell this guy?

[00:47:00] Because Miss MIST Master, right?

[00:47:02] This guy is so why are we giving him any even a crumb of info about yourself to where he's now able to turn it on you and save Lexis?

[00:47:11] The Lexis thing is hilarious that she's talking to her.

[00:47:15] But I feel that like Bailey could have been swayed, but you have to give her so much reassurance and just be like, girl, I needed to tell Anthony all this, but you know it's us here in the screenshot through seats, right?

[00:47:30] Like everything as to why I have been here for you the whole time and just keep pulling her away instead of, I wouldn't even be looking at Anthony.

[00:47:38] I mean, like you're dead to me. Bye.

[00:47:41] Which is exactly what she should be doing because the worry that she needs to be selling right now is I am the most anti Anthony person in this world.

[00:47:53] And at the final four, he is the only person I will even look at when I if I hold the veto, which should be extremely reassuring to Bailey and Todd because Anthony cannot be safe.

[00:48:08] He can't win the final four H OH, which means that if that's true, if spicy sells that story, then they can't be evicted by spicy or in that spot unless somehow Anthony wins and decides to turn on them for turning on him.

[00:48:25] But would he really keep spicy if they are this feuding this much?

[00:48:32] Even though you betrayed him like now he has so many other things to deal with.

[00:48:37] Whereas you kind of know if Anthony gets the veto at final four with spicy gone, he's definitely evicting one of you.

[00:48:45] Right. He's not evicting Lex. That would be absurd.

[00:48:47] Or at least you would think so.

[00:48:49] But at this point, who knows.

[00:48:51] So it makes again, it makes a lot of sense.

[00:48:55] And the only real danger is A, can you trust spicy B?

[00:48:59] Can you risk spicy getting to the final four, getting to the final three, maybe winning that final H OH, which I would say is very dangerous.

[00:49:08] But they see her as the weakest competitor.

[00:49:11] So they probably don't see it as quite as dangerous.

[00:49:14] So there is a very, very good solid like path.

[00:49:19] But she hasn't taken it.

[00:49:21] And in order to sell that path, she does need to just like Stonewall Anthony Stonewall Lexus.

[00:49:29] Like they're dead to me.

[00:49:31] I'm only talking to you guys.

[00:49:33] Give them that feeling of power.

[00:49:35] Make them feel like this is a decision that they can make.

[00:49:38] And it hasn't happened yet.

[00:49:41] And unfortunately for spicy, she has a lot less time to make that happen now or had less time.

[00:49:49] I should say that it's probably has already happened.

[00:49:51] Yeah. Even if there's concern on the spicy side of like things reuniting with Anthony, I think Anthony's made it very clear that he needs spicy out before that jury gets a chance to sing their piece.

[00:50:02] So I would think, especially from Bailey's perspective, like going into a final four where no one would have it you like in theory seems like such a cushy spot.

[00:50:12] But I see the arguments for both.

[00:50:14] Yeah. So let's talk about that yet from the Bailey perspective, because I have seen the argument that like she should keep spicy because then she really is in a situation where everyone will take her to the end as opposed to somebody like Lexus who is in general a bit of a question.

[00:50:31] Mark considering that she is the person who Anthony is like, you're going to have to go on the block.

[00:50:35] She's like, yeah, okay, sure. It's fine.

[00:50:38] So I'm not entirely sure.

[00:50:41] So obviously she's eliminating and out there at the same time, you know, if spicy is going to go back to Anthony anyway, then you think you're getting a 3B1, but it's going to be a 2V2 anyway.

[00:50:52] And you're also keeping in somebody who is now like someone who's won three H O H's and has the capacity to win a fourth that is going to be against you in supporting Anthony.

[00:51:01] Yeah, it's I think I agree. I don't think it's quite as clear cut as like it's the obvious move to keep spicy, especially because I do think there is a chance that if she reciprocates Anthony's show of faith by keeping her off the block that, you know,

[00:51:24] it seems it seems so ridiculous, but it doesn't seem impossible that he does actually keep Bailey over Lexus.

[00:51:34] I feel weird even saying that though, because like what do you do when if you're doing it? Don't do that, Anthony. That's ridiculous.

[00:51:42] Do why not?

[00:51:44] But this is the guy that kept Dane. You know what I mean? So it's like who knows.

[00:51:48] That said, though, like it's again, it's like it's a matter of it's a similar spot to what Anthony did the spot that Anthony is in right now.

[00:51:57] It's like you can kind of take the game by the by the rain, take the reins of the game and be like I'm going to make sure of this or you can be like I'm going to put some faith into the relationships I've built and really hope that things work out the way that I want them to.

[00:52:14] And you know, this is where like on Sunday night I was like I just don't like I don't think I would play the game this way.

[00:52:22] I think that if I were in this spot, I would I would try to play the cards that I was dealt and I would try to I would just keep spicy off the block.

[00:52:32] I would do everything my power to get her to not use the veto, not win the veto, you know, so on and so forth and then, you know, get into that final four.

[00:52:41] But that's not always the way that the game is played. People play it differently.

[00:52:47] And also people have better reads on other people in the game, right?

[00:52:51] So like Anthony had the read on Bailey that she would reciprocate this.

[00:52:55] It seems as though that's going to work that she is going to reciprocate it.

[00:52:59] And that's a better read on Bailey than I think we had sitting at home.

[00:53:03] And so if Bailey feels the same, if Bailey feels like she has a read on Anthony that he will actually take her the end.

[00:53:11] If she does get rid of spicy, then maybe that's worth it.

[00:53:15] And does she have a shot at beating Anthony?

[00:53:17] I think she does, especially given Spicey's current predicament, right?

[00:53:21] So, you know, there is definitely valid logic to the idea that she should take out spicy here.

[00:53:27] But there's plenty of logic that she should keep spicy as well.

[00:53:33] Yeah, I think like that's what I was going to ask is basically how realistic do you think it is for Bailey to beat Anthony at the end?

[00:53:40] Because I think if that is a much more realistic possibility, then I think Spicey actually taking Spicey out might be more appealing almost because you could like you could decide if final four are we still keeping Anthony or we not.

[00:53:51] You can go to the final three with Lexis and Todd.

[00:53:54] And then like, I don't know what the relationships are with Lexis between Bailey and Todd.

[00:53:58] Who do we think that she would be more likely to take if she were to win a final three at HOH?

[00:54:02] But it's actually a lot of winning options.

[00:54:05] Yeah, I think that Bailey's plan right now is final three, Todd and Anthony.

[00:54:11] And I think that makes sense because that's eliminating the wild card guarantees you're making final two no matter what.

[00:54:17] Exactly. I think she feels like at that point she's guaranteed final two if it's against Todd, easy win.

[00:54:24] If it's against Anthony, hopefully she's got a shot with Lexis in the picture.

[00:54:29] Who knows? Right?

[00:54:31] So I do think that Bailey will evict Lexis at the final four if given the opportunity and nothing changes.

[00:54:39] Todd absolutely shouldn't. Todd should absolutely get rid of Anthony.

[00:54:45] Will he make a call that Bailey doesn't co-sign? Will he convince Bailey? That's a whole other question.

[00:54:51] So the real danger for Anthony, of course, is that if Lexis wins the final four HOH, that's very, very bad for him.

[00:54:58] But to answer the question, if Bailey does go to the end with Anthony, I do think it's a tough spot to be in,

[00:55:08] because like some of her votes are people like Polla, who really does respect Bailey's game, but will definitely be a vote for him.

[00:55:18] And so, you know, then it comes down to like where does Goose still stand?

[00:55:25] Because when he left, he was all about the women are dominating that didn't exactly continue.

[00:55:31] So I don't know how Goose is feeling.

[00:55:33] Does he still think that Bailey's in the best spot or does he feel like, wow, Anthony somehow managed to turn that around?

[00:55:39] And that's the other part of this, which is that like a lot of the people that left talked about like feeling they had a really special relationship with Anthony.

[00:55:48] He just wasn't in the best spot at that time.

[00:55:51] So I definitely can see Anthony getting a lot of votes.

[00:55:55] Spoiler here is Spicy.

[00:55:57] Spicy comes in. That's where I feel like she could win votes back over to Bailey's side, especially votes like of course Avery and even Kayla and maybe even Goose.

[00:56:11] Like who knows? And then you certainly have Todd as a pro Bailey voice.

[00:56:16] And so just like that, it's not hard to swing this vote.

[00:56:20] Here's a random thing that I was thinking about because I kind of blitz as I was catching up for the episodes in preparation for tonight.

[00:56:25] When Tola is evicted and Arissa asked the cursed question of like, who do you think is going to win?

[00:56:33] And he said Bailey, the audience cheered.

[00:56:36] And look, I don't think necessarily people are so bending to the will of the people, especially reality TV contestants that they're like, aha, Bailey got cheers.

[00:56:45] Therefore, we people will like us if we vote for her.

[00:56:49] But it's not a zero percent chance that that's something that could be in your head of like, oh, people are cheering for Bailey.

[00:56:57] Bailey must be doing something right.

[00:56:59] Maybe Bailey is doing something that I'm not seeing.

[00:57:02] This maybe lends a bit more credence to me voting for her.

[00:57:05] Like you said, I think it's a slam dunk vote for Anthony and his opinion no matter what.

[00:57:09] But it's something interesting he could prospectively take the jury.

[00:57:13] Yeah.

[00:57:15] I do think that there are just certain people and this is not.

[00:57:19] I don't mean it in a shady way, but there are certain people and I do think Tola maybe is one of them where they're just a little bit more impressionable.

[00:57:27] And I agree, Mike, I think that there is a world right where he goes back and he's like, the audience is going crazy for Bailey.

[00:57:35] Like, you know, blah, blah, blah.

[00:57:37] Subliminally, maybe even rightly, maybe it's subconscious not necessarily something he's even piecing together.

[00:57:43] But then you bring in a stronger personality.

[00:57:46] It doesn't.

[00:57:47] It could be Anthony.

[00:57:48] It could be Victoria.

[00:57:49] It could be Bailey.

[00:57:50] I don't either of those three come in.

[00:57:53] I believe they have enough swaying power for the rest to kind of get on board because look what happened to Kayla.

[00:58:00] Right?

[00:58:01] So how did no one like check this horse?

[00:58:05] It makes no sense to me.

[00:58:07] So that's where I feel like folks are just a little bit more impressionable as to like who goes into the house now and at what order and how pissed off they are.

[00:58:17] And it's interesting because I agree, Teran, you know, Anthony had really good individual cultivating relationship, which is why he was playing such like a low key obviously from a positional perspective compared to what he usually does, but still like very strong game.

[00:58:31] I do worry if we're going to get a version of this week in the house, in the jury house as well.

[00:58:38] You know, I didn't notice as I was catching up that in Kayla's goodbye message, like Anthony kind of cleans his hands a bit is a little bit like if you're listening to this, I don't know exactly what happened.

[00:58:49] Some people must have gone rogue in that way.

[00:58:52] If you have Avery and if you have spicy coming in and saying like, oh yeah, Anthony said this, Anthony said that that could be something that might outside of the way you felt about him start to turn the worm a bit when you have all those weeks away from him directly.

[00:59:08] Yeah.

[00:59:09] So.

[00:59:11] Quite the final four we're heading into Bailey and Todd have continued to promise them promise each other.

[00:59:17] They're keeping each other around there protecting each other.

[00:59:20] They are not Todd especially is like we're not letting Anthony or anybody convince each other that we're not with each other right like when there's no way like yes, we flipped on spicy but it seems as though there are very genuine reasons for that is never happening with us.

[00:59:40] He's going to try next week.

[00:59:42] Not going to happen.

[00:59:44] And so they are they are seemingly locked in as a duo heading into the final four.

[00:59:49] And as I mentioned what that means for Anthony is he still has a long way to go.

[00:59:56] Like there's another massive test coming up for him if him or Lexus don't win that veto and there's no test at all.

[01:00:06] If Lexus wins the HOH and they lose the veto because at that point I guess I shouldn't say no test at all but like it's a very difficult test at that point.

[01:00:17] So in many ways, like I'm starting to look at Anthony like alright this guy he got you know he got Vivek to put up Dennis he got Avery to put up Kayla or spicy to get Avery to put up Kayla.

[01:00:33] He he flipped Bailey and Todd on spicy after a season long like dedication of their games to her.

[01:00:42] I'm now looking at you like okay listen, you should just you need to just start doing the impossible then a thing that was unintentional but hugely beneficial for Jackson's game and Big Brother 21 was that Holly agreed to throw the final four H oh wait which was really really good for him.

[01:01:04] Oh I remember that night.

[01:01:06] She was unable to be safe that week right.

[01:01:09] Anthony let's let's be honest he should be because he probably could convincing Lexus to throw the final four H oh wait why I don't know right.

[01:01:21] I can't find a logical reason for it but I feel like this is this is the kind of player we're dealing with now where it's like listen if you think about it if he thinks that it's if he thinks of the idea.

[01:01:33] I think he might be able to accomplish it.

[01:01:35] The question for me is will he think about it and I think the answer is no but like this is something you should probably do because I think it's it could make or break his entire game.

[01:01:44] Yeah, look Lexus is Lexus it's really important we need to be that vote in the final four week so we can't be H oh wait we need to both be playing yeah like if it's a little quick competition maybe that sticks just long enough but otherwise.

[01:01:59] I mean my thought was like you know like hey we really need to make sure that God and Bailey vote to keep you they don't turn on us and vote out spicy.

[01:02:09] What if you know you talked like what if you agreed to throw the H oh wait you know.

[01:02:16] And I think that's risky because like if she does go and agree to it I think if anything that gets the wheels turning for Todd and Bailey like wait a minute should we be thinking about keeping spicy.

[01:02:26] But like you know I'm just spitballing here like there's there's gotta be something especially that Anthony can do at this point given that we've seen what we've seen him be capable of in the past so.

[01:02:38] Yeah I mean I think that's he could just be comped out of and I say that but like maybe there's a spot where Lexus wins and then Bailey wins the veto and he somehow manages that would be ridiculous but like I don't know.

[01:02:53] But this is this is awesome like yeah for how long have we been on these podcasts being like what Anthony is doing is really fun and shows a lot of skill but like damn it I want him to face some adversity.

[01:03:06] And mostly by his own doing he has created a lot of adversity now some of it is because he got Matt taken out from under him he got Tola taken out yeah I would say mostly by spices doing.

[01:03:19] Yeah now he's taken out you know the person that according to her words to us would have been like the most guaranteed person to take him to the final two so he's facing a bit more of an uphill situation but like this is what makes some of the best players right this is Dr will after

[01:03:34] the whole town gets taken out this is Dan after all his people are taken out and then every single week.

[01:03:39] In the second week of the jury like you know I feel like you can be someone who calls yourself one of the best but when we're observing these players we want to also have them a bit battle tested as well as much as I admire Derek's game I think a lot of people when they compare them to the big three are like yeah but Derek didn't necessarily

[01:03:59] have to face anything what did Derek do when his back was against the wall because he didn't have that if Anthony guess it's not only is it a fun version to see of him from his own narrative perspective and to see something different but like if he's able to slither through if you will and make his way to the final two and dominate this jury vote then yeah I'll believe his claims I'll put him right up there.

[01:04:22] And I'll say on the flip side.

[01:04:26] Because obviously I think because Anthony seems to have pulled this off we're talking a lot about Anthony, but like I do think it's also important to mention how impressive Bailey is has been and is in this moment where she has climbed from a like,

[01:04:45] one of the worst spots in the entire game at the start of the season to now a front runner to win the entire game like all else being equal.

[01:04:59] And the other side is the little coin. One side Anthony wins the other side Bailey wins and you have to give her credit for that. I mean the fact that she was able to convince Anthony to keep her off the block in a spot where he never should keep her off the block is absurd the fact that she got spicy to keep her around

[01:05:22] and she's the number one puppet Todd all the way until the end game at the expense of spicy and Anthony's games only to then flip on spicy to take the lead position is really good stuff.

[01:05:38] She plays a very different game than than Anthony and we've certainly talked about it all season long. Like it's not like I haven't been like, you know, like singing Bailey's praises along the way so you already know what they are.

[01:05:51] Bailey is the other potential like massive winner who would be a very good winner here. And she is potentially like a week away from being crowned the winner of this game.

[01:06:03] Let's see. I don't want to jinx anything.

[01:06:06] It feels like it's also so rare just due to the game of Big Brother that we also get like a big character winning the season and Bailey is really like a Brittany Haynes for the 2020s that we have missed so dearly.

[01:06:19] She has been like in a season with spicy V she has been my favorite character and that is saying something even still like her, you know, jaw gap reaction to when people were comparing notes and she realized that oh my God do I have to turn on spicy.

[01:06:34] Like she brings the dramatic. She is such a fun bit of casting. Honestly, a lot of people in this cast are and to your point, Terran, I think it would be a really fun arc as well.

[01:06:44] Here is somebody who was clawing their way up from the bottom was nearly dead to rights to go in weeks three and four were these kind of cockamamie plans that cooked up at the last second but finds the right people gets her claws in and then at a certain point knows to turn those claws upon that person.

[01:07:03] It's a hell of a story if you can sell it right.

[01:07:06] Yeah.

[01:07:07] And I think exemplifies the value of of like, you know, a lot of people play the game and it's certainly a valid way and some of the greats have played this way of like keeping cards close to your chest, you know, not just playing emotions, not getting into fights.

[01:07:26] That's like the Dan playbook right. But there is also a ton of value to being like an open book to some degree, because there was an incorrect assumption about Bailey that she was such an open book that people would be able to just reliably rely on her for what they wanted forever.

[01:07:49] But she, she was able to use the bluntness to get people to trust her and and and you know advance herself in the game and also just forcefully push her own agenda on the game in a way that didn't seem underhanded or sketchy it just seemed genuinely like no I believe this is what we should do for us because it was what she genuinely

[01:08:12] was good for them. But it was also good for her. And so it's interesting, it's interesting and I think there's a lot of conversations to be had about Bailey's game, certainly if she wins but even if she doesn't and the success she was able to find.

[01:08:26] But we'll see you know where this is this is all kind of assuming that she doesn't ultimately end up like taking Anthony to the final two over Todd or something you know I mean so

[01:08:38] I mean there's in the backs of Big Brother Canada Finale as of late like kind of boneheaded weird decisions at the final three so

[01:08:45] You know what actually yeah we talked about Anthony versus Bailey in the final two we didn't mention the fact that in order for them to be there one of them will have had to take the other over Lexis or Todd.

[01:08:59] So if the jury is like thinking it might be the person whoever whoever does the move might lose like what are you doing taking Anthony over Todd or what are you doing taking Bailey over Lexis.

[01:09:13] Like that could be a difference maker as well potentially.

[01:09:18] It can you imagine Bailey just. Yeah, I'm taking Anthony sorry Todd. I will literally turn the TV.

[01:09:29] Boom but again this is what we expect from Big Brother Canada Finale's incredibly so usually these outcomes are like written in the stars that people are lying in bed counting on I love the fact that we can walk into these

[01:09:40] finales and be like I cannot believe you have the single handed power to do this and you made that decision it's what makes this game so exciting.

[01:09:49] I mean listen let's see it would it would be quite the quite the story to have you know Anthony go on season seven and inspire Kevin Jacobs to go on and convince Josh to take him at the last minute and then Anthony to come on and then like repeat that performance.

[01:10:11] Somehow in season 12 but we'll see anything else that we should talk about before we wrap up here.

[01:10:19] Can we just saying Victoria's praises for one second like where we're slowly eulogizing her we're ministerially lowering the casket into the ground because she's not technically up on the block yet but like I love her so so much she has to be one of the most unique big brother players I have ever seen

[01:10:39] where it does feel like every episode we're going in being like I have no idea what you're doing and how you're doing it but I cannot help but respect the fact that like she somehow had the ability to do it and for the most part pull it off for the longest time now it was going to be an eventuality

[01:10:57] I think that the runway would run short and it does.

[01:11:01] Quickly all four of them have turned on her in an instant and I would not necessarily say that it felt unwarranted but she is someone that just absolutely mystifies me and in 20 plus years into watching this as a genre.

[01:11:14] I love getting getting that person getting that enigma in there on top of that she is such a fun character she is wild.

[01:11:23] She is chaos but again I have to admire the fact that like no matter how you feel about the things she wanted to get done she got them done and I would go ahead as to call her the main character of big brother Canada season 12 and listen I know that the the east coast of populace loves to run their numbers to find out

[01:11:44] and vote for their person for Canada's favorite player but I would not be surprised if Victoria gives someone like Todd or run for their money with that award.

[01:11:53] Yeah that's a good question you know I was thinking at the start of the season I was like I wonder if this is the first season that like the Todd character is not going to win because I kind of thought he was leaving on the executive you know we

[01:12:04] and I was like this might be too early for him to win like plus the fact there's alumni here like oh

[01:12:09] but now I'm not sure because like not only has he made it far but like he is getting exactly that edit where like he is you know he's exactly the kind of person that tends to win these so I don't know I don't know.

[01:12:23] The comp wins all of the above yeah.

[01:12:26] I mean listen like I'm watching his DRs where he's like monotone and I'm like okay I mean he's kind of fun he's a little fun I get it okay I get it Todd he's like letter Kenny.

[01:12:38] He's that fun like it's not I would not compare him to Cody Nixon for many reasons but he does have that sort of different energy in the DR we're like again we are used to BBS especially and even with BB can't even as much as I love spicy B some of those DRs like feel like that very scripted energy

[01:12:55] and when Todd brings his energy it's like turning the volume up from a one two a three and so he's like oh I can't believe I get to do this and so it still does feel very different compared to everything else everyone else is bringing.

[01:13:06] But we gave Cody the win not he was not for Cody.

[01:13:12] Don't say we.

[01:13:14] Yeah I'd like to not be included in the way.

[01:13:17] I voted whatever because I was in her way like one it can't be friendship so be serious right.

[01:13:26] Well that the other thing though that I find interesting is that the first time this award was brought about in Big Brother Canada nine it was started the pulling open the night keeper was a very big one.

[01:13:36] And so we were like oh yeah no matter what he's going to get it so I think again if there's a fair shot for spicy it could be that there's going to be a full episode not to mention the one the day before entirely dedicated to her basically and there's a lot of reasons he buys when it comes to this fan voting.

[01:13:53] Yeah I don't want it last year I don't remember.

[01:13:58] Jonathan.

[01:14:00] All right.

[01:14:02] I mean totally I just like I was like wait who was that character on that yeah I was like the Marty.

[01:14:09] Yeah yeah I was like wait who where was Marty wasn't that season.

[01:14:13] Yeah all I could think of was Marty.

[01:14:15] Yep.

[01:14:17] Yeah I mean listen no shade to Jonathan but like if Jonathan won last season over like who was he and like like yeah I don't know I don't know here.

[01:14:28] Shout out to a good job.

[01:14:29] You won you won the 5000 and 5000 hearts.

[01:14:33] That's the thing is yeah if like Todd you know is able to win that CFP money I think I saw somebody say on Twitter that like he technically is already making more than second place if you get both of those.

[01:14:45] And when he gets second place because he's dragged to the end by Bailey then what.

[01:14:49] He might make more than a hundred thousand dollars.

[01:14:53] Oh boy.

[01:14:54] All right well that's what we have for you then tonight.

[01:14:58] Thank you all so much for joining us I will be back tomorrow night to talk through the eviction we'll see if spicy can pull something out of a hat or if Todd and Bailey decide to change their minds as well as you know I assume we'll start to get a little bit more of like what's going to happen there in the final four as well on top of like the fallout from the from the nomination that will happen so stay tuned for that.

[01:15:24] I will also be live on Twitch watching the survivor episode and then the big brother episode marathon Wednesday because it's a lot of a lot of reality TV but my listen survivors been crushing it lately big brothers been good so should be a good time check it out.

[01:15:42] Mike what do you got going on.

[01:15:44] I'll just first start by echoing your statements that like I feel like I come on to everyone on these particular season podcast that I've done and I'm like I'm really enjoying this and I'll continue to say it I've been really enjoying this season lack of feet is obviously something that is really detrimental to the overall experience but for what we're taking in.

[01:16:01] I think this season has absolutely been bringing it do in part due to the aforementioned spicy be I thought this might be up there is like one of the top five betrayals we've seen in BB can history and it has played out as such and it's just made for like some incredible reality television so I feel like we're eating so good.

[01:16:18] It's it's bittersweet because it's good enough to like be good television but at the same time it's like like for me at least is like what could have been like if I was able to watch that conversation on the live feeds like oh my god this whole season on the life.

[01:16:37] It's a whole other level but anyway go ahead yeah but regardless I think you know I'm happy that we got this season in general and I'm a little sad that it's coming to a conclusion in a week but like you said Taren I think pretty much no matter who the winner is and especially if Anthony or Bailey is the winner.

[01:16:56] This is going to be one for the record books and so I'm so excited to see how this all ends but like you said there's so much other reality TV happening right now survivor is going to your point very strong I'm doing my usual BNB as well as interviews over at prey dot com doing the same stuff for the amazing race which is also approaching its end game.

[01:17:16] Taren you mentioned it before but tomorrow morning about like I don't know probably less than 12 hours from now there'll be another video in everybody's feed with myself Taren and Puyah covering the penultimate drop of the circle episodes basically every episode but the finale to tease.

[01:17:34] It is maybe the most dramatic week in the circle that we've ever had in the show's history I think you've been if you've been watching this season and you I imagine his big brother fans and people who enjoy strategy I imagine people have been enjoying this season in particular.

[01:17:48] You'll want to check it out and then check out what we have to say about it I am also going to be covering the goat which is coming out another reality all star season coming out next Thursday I have some exited interviews that all be releasing alongside those episodes I have a.

[01:18:04] Challenge all stars for ex interview that's coming out tomorrow with the episode there's all these random things that are happening as so much great reality TV is happening and you can follow everything I'm doing at a Mike Bloom type.

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