BB26 Why ___ Lost Week 6 with Cliff Hogg | Big Brother 26

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_00]: This is Why __ Lost.

[00:00:03] [SPEAKER_00]: This is Why __ Lost.

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[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to Why __ Lost for Big Brother 26.

[00:00:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm David Bloomberg and I can't believe it actually happened.

[00:00:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But before I get into that, I want to welcome back my special guest co-host this week, Cliff Hogg.

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Howdy, howdy. I'm so happy to be back, David. Thank you so much.

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It has been a little while. What's new with you?

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Just working, trying to keep my eyes open. It's been such a crazy season here for a while.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So enjoying another season of Big Brother.

[00:00:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But hey, just living my best life down here in Houston dealing with hurricanes, things like that, normal life.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so for everyone watching and listening, I mentioned last week that Ovi was traveling, but he was still able to podcast.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: He had gotten himself a set up to podcast this week.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Just not possible. There's too many conflicts.

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So we brought in another member of the Fellowship of the Zing.

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Zing!

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Now what a week to sub for Ovi, who is going to be very upset to miss this one as we discuss Tucker.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Ovi's lost. Oh, my gosh. When you reached out for this episode, I think gold right here.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, sorry about that, Ovi. But you're missing out, my friend.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: That'll teach Ovi.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I have to admit, I was certain Tucker would survive as soon as Julie previewed the AI Arena comp on social media in the afternoon before the episode,

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_02]: because it was another comp.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It appeared to be carrying big heavy puzzle pieces around and we're like, oh, well, this is this is Tucker's.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I could not have predicted he would misunderstand what he was supposed to do and try putting the puzzle together backwards.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: When he started doing that, I was watching thinking, is that a brilliant strategy?

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it interchangeable? But now not so much.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the biggest puzzle screw up since Caitlin Herman a few years back.

[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know if it would have mattered.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Mackenzie really seemed to fly on that puzzle.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: She had it going on.

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_02]: She did. It's hard to say if it would have mattered because once again in the comp, their camera job was so terrible.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they had three screens for a while, but not for long.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And the problem is we don't know how he would have done because he was trying to get pieces to fit where they would not fit because they were backwards.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And so it was like almost literally trying to put a square peg in a round hole, you know, and so it's really hard to say how he would have done compared to her if he had done it right to begin with.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got to say that and I don't know what your thoughts or your opinions are on, but this this BB AI Arena.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: He's made these Thursday nights just that much more exciting because you come in not knowing who it is and you get that.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: For so many seasons, we know who's going out or we have a pretty good guess.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Suddenly now there's so many more variables getting thrown in because of this extra competition that I was on the seat of my seat of my couch just like he's messing up what is going to happen now.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So it was great. Yeah, I mean, we've talked about it some here, you know, as far as people who regularly do a podcast.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: The day after an eviction not so great for us to have no clue which one's going because, you know, I think I got maybe four hours of sleep last night and just trying to put all this together.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Tucker had a lot more notes than most people.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's face it. But yeah, and other times, you know, previous previous seasons we would know, you know, as early as Sunday or Monday who was going and you could prepare things now last season with waffle Wednesdays.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You never really knew for sure.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, I famously have mentioned that I had a whole set of podcast notes for why Jag lost and then Matt saved him.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So, I was sure he wasn't going to.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So sometimes it'll bite you a little bit if you prepare too much.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But from a pure viewing standpoint, yes, it is much more exciting much more interesting. You're coming in you think it might happen you don't know what's going to happen this was a perfect example of that.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I loved it. Absolutely loved it.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Now as far as Tucker, the arena rules were not the only ones that he didn't understand.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll have to see which of my rules. He also had problems with, as we follow our usual path of comparing how he played against those rules, which I originally wrote 20 years ago in 2004 and have modified ever since we will analyze his actions using what we saw on TV live feeds, interviews, and other information.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, for anyone who wants to check them out. The most recent version is it Rob has website.com slash Big Brother rules.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, we usually have some other things to discuss about the week in general. I don't have too much this week in part because so much of the week was Tucker related Tucker centered.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And also based on my notes, I think this is going to be a little longer than usual podcast.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't want you know take up a bunch of time.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'll start by mentioning. I think it's great that Chelsea has picked herself up dusted herself off and grab the reins.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, Angela. Yes, she brought up voting out Tucker and Quinn has of course mentioned it as well. Chelsea was the one who organized it and brought it all together this week.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she she's doing such a fantastic job. She she was on the top. She took a hit went down and it just seems like she has not panicked.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_01]: She's reached out to people that she needs to reach it out to. She feel it seems like she is insulated with a lot of people in terms of going forward.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I think she's in for the long haul on this. I think she's she's done a good job with it.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean we were talking about it last week over you and I, you know when discussing the comparison between Chelsea and Brooklyn, you know when Chelsea got nominated.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_02]: She went to work. She started talking to people solidifying bonds making relationships when Brooklyn got nominated.

[00:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: She got huffy and mad and and moaned and grow. Yeah, you know, so you can't take it personal.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You just have to always be looking for if you're looking back in that rear view mirror and holding your grudges.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to affect the game plan and you've and I've noticed that a little bit with McKenzie as well.

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: No matter what's going on seems like she still is keeping the game somewhat in focus of playing the game and not all of her reads are correct.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna say, I don't know that I'd say the game is in focus for her.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_01]: She may not have the glasses. She may not have the glasses on but at least I feel like sometimes she's she's at least aware there's cars coming from all different directions.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: She just can't see which ones they are. But I feel like sometimes she she still does the job of campaigning when other people maybe aren't so much doing so.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Chelsea was the same way that she just always is keeping a focus of why she's in that house and trying to improve upon her position or at least survive in those bad moments here.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Now the next thing I want to mention could be unpopular based on what I've seen on Twitter and in comments to my TikTok.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: But on the other hand, you know, when I posted on Twitter there were a lot of people who liked it too.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And I only had to block two people after having said this.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So but a ton of people are already mourning the rest of the season and saying things like, I'm done watching.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_02]: He was the only reason to do it.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Tucker's gone. Now, I've been watching this show since the beginning along with many other reality shows.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: This happens all the time. A particularly popular player gets voted out and their fans go crazy.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: If anywhere near as many people actually stop watching shows when they say they're going to nobody would be left.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. I mean, I've seen it like I said on all these different shows American Idol sticks out.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember seeing that time and time again with American Idol.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, Big Brother.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's funny because one person responded to me and said, I probably say I'm quitting about 20 times a season, but I always come back.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate that kind of recognition when they're saying it.

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I know. But really, how about we wait to see what happens when the big personality that was taking up all the space is gone before we predetermine what's going to happen?

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_02]: There are other people there. They might just be entertaining in their own right.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But with Tucker, there wasn't really much room for some of them to fully express themselves.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And if later it turns out the season got more boring, then fine.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Criticize it then. But complaining before it happens is silly.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree. He's such a charismatic character that I can understand people not wanting to see him gone.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know that anyone truly wants to see a season where one person steamrolls week after week.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe it was last year.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: What's that?

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe we saw that season last year.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_01]: We see every few years that Michael from a few seasons before where you reach a point where it gets boring if you can predict.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't see the other people, what I enjoy is watching the people who've been on the bottom suddenly get a chance to come to the top.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And what do they do?

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I like to see these power shifts and it gets boring if you have a person week after week after week.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: So I look at people like Robina, for example, who was so latched on to Tucker.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get to see if she really has some gameplay or not.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's other people the same way we heard.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember who it was that was saying that they were playing.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's playing out of fear of Tucker in this house.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It really was influencing everyone's game.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Now it opens up. It almost seems like a whole new season.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think casting did a good enough job this season that I don't think one person going away is going to keep this from being a pretty good season.

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: A fantastic season.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. Do you have anything or anyone else you want to discuss before we move to our regular segment and then the rules?

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think so.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, my main thing is just I've loved this season.

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone and I've done that with different people talk about losing Tucker.

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I felt like some of the earlier people we lost could have been very interesting players and characters as well.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm all ready for the rest of this season.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think someone else is going to step into Tucker's place.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not as though we don't already have some pretty emotional wild card players still left in this house.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. All right.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, then let's get to our usual Julie Chen Moonves is wrong about blank segment.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Last week, I said I didn't have anything,

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_02]: but it turned out there was something that I just didn't know about until after we recorded Lacey pointed out to me on Instagram that when Julie had Cedric on her God 101 Instagram, whatever it was,

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_02]: she made a comment that if you're smart, you don't need to have numbers in the game.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry. Wrong.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's Big Brother.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, you need numbers.

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, if you're smart, you make sure you have the numbers.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But just being smart in and of itself doesn't mean you can glide through the game by yourself.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And she should know that by now.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think the beauty of that Big Brother almost it's a triad.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a three pronged approach.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to have a certain amount of skill in some competition.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I think you've got to have a little resume winning some so you get some power.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to have some smarts about you, and you've got to have a social game.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And with that, I like to think that sometimes I'm a decently smart individual.

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But if I didn't have numbers and some social people during last season, you can't do it.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You can't rely on any one of those three legs without the others and think that you're going to make it to the end.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. All right. Well, before we get to the rules, I do want to mention there is a survivor version that comes in poster form that is obviously shorter and much more colorful than the ones we will be discussing.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It is very similar, not identical.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course it has survivor players on it instead of Big Brother players.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, we do what we can.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And you could go to Rob has website that com slash YX lost feet.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Scroll down to that.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You can keep scrolling if you want to find the poster design on a T shirt, or you can keep keep on going and get the checklist on a T shirt.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Now the checklist is the closest to the Big Brother rules, but still again not identical.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But if you like survivor too, then you know you can look at that.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Rob has a website that com slash YX lost.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_02]: We've said before on the podcast that we understand a lot of people like Tucker because he's entertaining and is great for the feet.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I get it. I get it.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I really do.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But a few weeks ago, I said that I expected him to flame out soon.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And here we are.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Did it happen for the reasons we expected?

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Or was there even more to it?

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And can we find one root cause that explains where he went wrong in so many different ways?

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It's time to figure out why Tucker lost.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_02]: The first and most important rule, of course, is to scheme and plot.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Was Tucker good at that?

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, let me start by quoting Cedric who told Dolan Ross in his exit interview.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Tucker's game is terrible.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It's terrible.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not to dog him.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But Tucker's game is terrible only because I think he's focusing too much on the competition aspect and the kind of cockiness for lack of better words aspect of I want to win all these challenges.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: But at the end of the day, and big brother, what is there?

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: There's always a back door.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's going to excel until Ainsley's AI arena is gone.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And as soon as it's gone, he's going out in a veto like boom, and his game isn't long.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: He's not long for the game.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I know some people might be like, really?

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You're quoting a guy who was evicted before Tucker and say to say his game was terrible.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I am because no matter when he was voted out, Cedric's right.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And I even pointed it out on Twitter at the time.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: The only thing he said that was wrong was the part about needing to wait until the AI arena was done.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, he was pretty spot on in terms of Tucker focusing all his energy on winning.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_02]: He even said it himself a few times once.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: He basically said to Quinn in terms of only feeling like he was, quote, playing when it involved cops.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: More recently, he told Leah on the live feeds.

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not good at this game like that.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just good at f-ing competing.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And T Corp told someone else a few days ago, I think Tucker is a great player in the cops, but I don't think he's very strategic.

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he came in the way you hear him talk.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Even he's told a few people before that I'm the only person playing varsity.

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone else is playing Jay-Z.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: He's he seems like he's much more positioned or enjoys the adversarial.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I take that back.

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like he's got I think he's got a good heart in them.

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think he enjoys the competitive drive.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: He said he's the youngest of several brothers.

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he grew up with the competitions and all that.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just feel like every time he wins one of these things, he just gets the word use cocky.

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I think our setter uses is perfect.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I just think he he just saw things going his way.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I think this season probably gave him the ability to do that unlike any other season where you didn't have two chances to get yourself pulled off the block.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And that helped him and it just fed his ego every single week.

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a it's a little bit like when you go to a sporting event and you watch the guy jump over onto the football field or the baseball field.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_01]: He's running around and everyone in the stands is saying, wow, look at that guy.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You kind of admire his courage, his fearlessness.

[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_01]: He's out there.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You may even start cheering for him every time he's dodging a security guard.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But we all know how it's going to end up.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not going to end up well for the guy itself.

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that was Tucker from the week one or two.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I think most of us thought he's not making it to the end with this strategy.

[00:17:05] [SPEAKER_01]: He's got to either adapt or he's going to flame out at some point.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Cedric probably had the right idea as well.

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it happened maybe a little bit quicker than a lot of people even predicted.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Near the end of Kenny's time in the game, he went up to Quinn and asked, you know, why is nobody aligning with Tucker?

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And Quinn said, well, because Tucker is all over the place.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And he said whatever was on his mind.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And similarly, a couple of weeks ago, he course said she was scared of Tucker because he'd do whatever the F he wants.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And she didn't understand how he played the game.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think Melissa said it well on this week's roundtable that you never know when he is going to pull one of his crazy moves.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I would add that you also never know when he's going to get it into his head that you're against him for reasons completely outside the realm of reality, like he used his supposed body language reading on you, which I'll have more about later.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But the point is, he was completely unpredictable, and that's hard to deal with in an ally.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_01]: We spent a lot of time laughing at Angela and some of her outburst and some of her emotional reactions to things.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like Tucker kind of does the same thing.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: There were people who told them that Lisa did not have that power, but he was just so determined and so focused on.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like a steam engine that you just can't get off the tracks once he gets going.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And so, yeah, I feel like sometimes he was he was leading rather than working with other people.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And eventually that creates issues of itself.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. Well, we can move to the second rule, which says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret.

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Tucker had multiple problems here as well.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: When Cedric was evicted, I thought I made it pretty clear when I yelled, don't volunteer to go on the block.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But I guess Tucker didn't hear me inside the house or he didn't notice what happened to Cedric, even though he believed he was the one who caused it.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Cedric himself replied to one of my tweets a couple days ago about Tucker volunteering.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, sure, Tucker had second thoughts about it and he didn't feel good afterwards.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was too late by then. He had already volunteered and T Corp was more than happy to take him up on the offer.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And he. You could tell by his body language, he didn't want to volunteer at all.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He was I feel like his attitude was starting to change if he could have survived another week or two.

[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Could he have changed up a little bit and not been so aggressive in his play?

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not, because it's Tucker. But I do feel like he was starting to see a little bit more of a threat to to his gameplay.

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And he volunteered for T Corp only because he said that he had volunteered for everyone else.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was this sense of duty and responsibility or whatever.

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You got to leave that to the side sometimes when you're in a house.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_01]: He knew that was a he knew that was wrong to do.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And he just was so egotistical, cocky about his abilities that he thought he could beat even what was maybe a bad decision on his part in volunteering.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll have more thoughts about that in the fourth rule, which kind of gives you a hint as to what I'm thinking about it.

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, part of the way he acted was, of course, his overconfidence and his comp abilities.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And until this week, I'm sure someone would have written in to say it wasn't overconfidence.

[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It was just confidence. But now we have proof to the contrary.

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he had volunteered before and it was fine. So he thought he could keep getting away with it.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Plus, we'll talk more about him being bored again when we get to the fourth rule.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But that also helped cause him to make unnecessary and risky moves.

[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he told Joseph at one point, I'm not afraid to play this game.

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone else seemed like they're effing afraid to play this game.

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm here to play some big brother and make some big brother moves.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Except they often weren't big brother moves. They were just overplaying for the sake of doing something.

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, yeah, I think that's worth talking about here in a second as well.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: The board of my spec. But yeah, he I just think this season was positioned well for him in the beginning with some of these offers.

[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just think he likes being the center of attention.

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes that leads to wanting to take on more than you need to take on in order to prove yourself up to other people.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And I know he's talked about in the in some of the live feeds and all that.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_01]: He's been a bully at times. He was bullied at times.

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just feel like he's an actor.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I just think that he's one of those guys that just likes to have the universe around him.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And what better way to do that than to make sure that you're participating in everything that's taking place in that house?

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. And that leads to, you know, he also overplayed in other ways.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: T Corp noted to chemo that it was funny to her that Tucker ranted about people having all these final twos.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But she knew he had also tried to form multiples of them, which takes us nicely to what happened with Angela because she had that type of deal with him.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Although he now said on interviews that he never had a final two with her, which is interesting because he was reassuring her on the live feeds.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But but you know, anyway, she turned back against him because she felt he was lying to her.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And as she told T Corp, he claims to be a man of his word.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_02]: But quote, he's given his word to so many people.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's the key because other people have asked, well, where did he lie?

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and he's even claimed I tried to play without lying.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_02]: No, you lied. And you lied plenty.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_02]: There was a video I posted from the live feeds clip just yesterday as we're recording this,

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_02]: where Joseph was trying to convince him like, hey, I want to tell Quinn that we're voting out Mackenzie, not Angela, because I don't want to leave him hanging like this.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And Tucker's like, well, I don't think you should.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And and and Joseph says, well, I don't want to lie.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And Tucker says, so just tell him one thing and do another.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And Joseph's like, that's lying.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there was a whole argument between Angela and Tucker earlier in the week about is it lying?

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Is omission of information lying?

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Because he hadn't mentioned that Quinn had ratted out Angela, I think, and blamed on Mackenzie.

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. Sometimes you get into some semantics and it doesn't really matter at this point in time.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's interesting that Tucker, at the very start of the season, Matt was making fun of that.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's saying Tucker's not doing alliances with anyone.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He is by himself. Matt was saying, yeah, I'm the only guy he's tried to do a final two with.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: He kind of made fun of Tucker for even doing a final two with him.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And now if you had asked me yesterday, who was Tucker going to take to the final two?

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it Angela? Is it Joseph? Is it Rubina?

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: He had so many people that and I don't know if he knew for certain or not either.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm sure he didn't because he kept insisting he would separate like Rubina from game.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll get into that too.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: He was and I don't know if it's just because he again is just such an empathetic individual in some ways that he wanted to be close to everyone in that that house

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and just wasn't able to selectively focus on some people more than others because he just had his hands and involved with everything.

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I definitely think there's a lot of overplay in some of that that was going on.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And you know what you said about did he lie? Was it a lie? Was it a lie of omission?

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You're right. It doesn't matter. What matters is the perception of everyone else.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And if Angela thinks you're lying, if T Corp thinks you're lying, if all these different people think you're lying, then whatever you're telling yourself in your own head really doesn't matter.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. He was very hung up on that. I think sometimes in this game you have to accept people lie.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: People deceive. That's the nature of the game.

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes that actually works to your advantage if you're able to recognize the lie and carry that on for somewhere further in the game.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_01]: The call someone out any time you see it and think that you're somehow above that level, I think is a dangerous way to try to survive in the game of Big Brother.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Now, of course, the primary thing that pushed Angela over the edge was the topic I just referenced a second ago.

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: We all knew. Well, I say we, we, of course, knew, but the people in the house were increasingly talking about his showman's with Rubina.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_02]: We know forming any kind of an obvious duo in Big Brother is failing to keep your scheming secret.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And the showman's is the clearest form of that.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And while I wouldn't by any means say this was the primary reason Tucker was voted out, I do think it helped seal the deal at the end because they denied their showman's for a while, but that wasn't going to last.

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_02]: People were already suspicious. And then Leah started talking about how Rubina and Tucker were holding hands under the blanket last week.

[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Leah also made Rubina's bed that night, and it was never slept in, and she was telling people about that.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And it only went downhill when Leah discovered the box of condoms in the HOH room that had been opened while Tucker was HOH.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So it wasn't just handhold.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I laugh when they talk about handholding and I think about my season and all the showman's during season 21.

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_01]: A whole hell of a lot more than handholding taking place that I was having to deal with back then.

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Can you can you still see a stool without?

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Nicole and I talked about just throwing that stool out over the back fence at one point in time.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_01]: That was a yeah, yeah.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: America's favorite maybe should have been that stool.

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_01]: They are America's least favorite.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the emotion.

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I just think it changed Tucker.

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it took his focus off the game a little bit or just beyond that.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_01]: He just made it so obvious that to other people, as you mentioned a little while ago, perception, whether he truly was hooked in more with her because of that, or he was willing to cut her loose.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_01]: If other people think that you've got your ride or die at this point in time, whether it's a showman's or just a tight connection, whatever it affects you.

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't think it's just a dangerous game to play.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and he made it more dangerous because although that information was kind of slowly making its way through that, he blew it up using the A.I. instigator.

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_02]: He blew it up on himself.

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, he thought it would allow them to be out in the open and it did.

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But that was not a good thing.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it got so out in the open that there was a big scene.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It'll probably never make it to TV at this point.

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It might, I guess.

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But on Thursday's live feeds when everyone did a countdown to Tucker Rubina coming out of a room with him carrying her and them kissing and Rubino was crying and both were saying they didn't want to show man.

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But it happens.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And Tucker even said he knew it could be detrimental to their games, but they didn't really care and hoped the other players would all see game in relationship separately.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_02]: No, Tucker, that was never going to happen.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Not the way he was thinking.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And shortly after that, Kam, Mackenzie and Chelsea talked about how they still wanted to target him despite that emotional moment.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_01]: In that house.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can say whatever you want about it.

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Not affecting, but people in there looking for any reason whatsoever to throw the other people under the bus.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you can point to an emotional attachment that is going to create a bond that you don't think you or other people will ever be able to break.

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, then that's just perfect ammunition to make it happen.

[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And I've got to say there was a part of me that was glad to see them finally reveal it because I was getting so tired of Rubina's conversations with T Corp and Kim about, oh my gosh, is it hurting me?

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Do I do it?

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Do I don't do it?

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Pull the trigger if you're going to do it, I suppose.

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I was tired of the conversations, but it didn't help because even afterwards, because he had his hands in so many pots, there was still that concern from Rubina about is it real or is this just a

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Just another gameplay from Tucker standpoint, which I don't think it was from him.

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that emotional stuff.

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard enough to play this game much less play it while you're trying to worry about someone else in their position in the game as well.

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And going to what you said about how Tucker could say or anyone could say, oh, let's keep it separate and everything.

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_02]: He apparently still didn't see that people were not thinking of it that way because he told Dalton Ross in terms of the showman stigma.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that we had a group of people in there that really did adore our relationship.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And as much as they said, they wouldn't use it against us.

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: We weren't going to allow them to use it against us.

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And yet here we are.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's where Tucker still maybe hasn't realized that there's a lot more people in the house making decisions other than just Tucker and Rubina at the end of the day.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You can say you're going to break that first in curse that you're not going to let emotion showman says affect your game and all that.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to deal with 15 different personalities and characteristics when you get in there.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And some people are going to look at the emotions and look at Angela.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Angela is a very emotional player.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_01]: She sees two other people that are emotionally bonding with each other.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And so, of course, she's going to perceive that more so than someone is strategic as some of the other people in a house in a way.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_01]: It's handled.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do want to say, you know, I wish them the best in real life.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But this was Big Brother and Tucker already had a lot of attention on himself.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And this made it even worse.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine just a little sight?

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_01]: The fact he's gone, we don't know.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't think he's going to be jury.

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_01]: This surely doesn't sound like that if he's doing all the interviews and all that right as far as the next person out is, we don't know.

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But I assume right now the likelihood is Rabina is going to be in that house or somewhere for a long period of time away from Tucker.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like she's going to spend the next 45 days doing what she did for the past week of, oh, my gosh, was this real?

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Was he playing me?

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_01]: She may just be a complete train wreck by the time she gets through the end of the season, wondering what type of Tucker may be waiting for her on finale night.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully she could put it aside and play.

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, yeah, we'll see.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the third rule talks about the need to be flexible and watching Tucker were certainly a roller coaster with his ups and downs, changes in opinions about other players.

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But does that make him flexible?

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: How do you think he did here?

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was flexible and people he was working with, but I don't think his gameplay was necessarily a flexible gameplay.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_01]: He spent a lot of time calling out people and going after people and then trying to mend the fence, so to speak, as he went after the next target.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_01]: He was like, conquer.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like the Romans go in, conquer the local civilization, pacify them, and then you move on to your next target and you assume those people you left behind are your best buddies afterwards.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And it just doesn't work like that.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So yes, I think he was flexible in that he was willing to look at new targets based on who he felt like had offended him most recently and all of that.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think his gameplay shifted from the very beginning of Big Brother when you kind of have a lot of people that you can target.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_01]: No one's going to be so upset to now that we're getting in the mid game where you're starting to see relationships develop and you have to handle the game a little bit differently.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not sure he handled it any differently now than he did four weeks ago.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think a lot of Tucker in this rule can be summed up from what he told Rubina this week.

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to change who I am to keep playing this game.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Even if it gets me kicked out, I'm not going to change.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_02]: That is the opposite of being flexible because yeah, in this game, you have to be willing to change to play it.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Just look at the way some of Tucker's opponents have been doing it.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Quinn went from super loud and out front to seemingly kowtowing to Tucker or the way Chelsea we talked about her earlier has had to change up her playing style through the weeks.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But even his friend in the house, Kenny, told Mike Bloom in his postgame interview, you weren't changing Tucker's mind no matter what.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think that affected him.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I think you look at people like T Corp who maybe would have been willing to work with them, but they slowly realized after he got so upset with her for making her choice about putting Angela up.

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they just started realizing that it was Tucker's way or no way.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_01]: And there wasn't that collaboration that people you want to be valued.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You want to think that you're part of a group, a part of the team.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And he just thought in doing that. And I think that hurt his relationship with a lot of people in that house.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Corey and I discussed this about Tucker somewhat in the pre rules discussion of the Why Kenny Lost podcast.

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And I said at the time, Tucker has a huge ego.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't only manifest itself in believing he can win every comp, but also in believing he knows everything that's going on around him.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was especially prevalent that week with him trying to take over Cedric's HOH.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we saw it again this week when he tried to take over T Corp's HOH.

[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_02]: All through Wednesday's episode, he whined and complained that she didn't nominate Leah to replace Cam the way he wanted her to.

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_02]: He thought she should do it because he had volunteered to go on the block and he gave her $5,000 in the veto comp.

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_02]: All about him. But sorry, no, we already discussed that he shouldn't have volunteered.

[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I would add he shouldn't have given her the money. It's his own fault.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a game for $750,000. She's not changing her plans for five grand.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, he made assumptions because he believed he knew where he stood or where she stood rather and what was best for her.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Just like he assumed he knew what Cedric was doing in his own alliances when he got upset at Cedric for not caving into him and nominating Quinn.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it was just a small favor he wanted from T Corp.

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Just a very small favor of picking who goes up as a renom. That's a huge favor.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know that T Corp will ever get another HOH and to demand and really he demanded that she do what he thought was best for his game and not necessarily what was best for her.

[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that was that was over the top. As far as that whole competition.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I know I've heard people say before I don't want the money because it's going to put a target on me and things like that.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But boy, to give away $5,000 is and I wonder what Tucker I think he just wanted the punishment.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I just think he wanted to be the center of attention.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that was part of it. He hasn't voiced this, but I wonder if part of it was he knew he was the instigator and people were voting on how much money to give him.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And this act of kindness on TV might encourage more people to give him want to give him 20,000.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, he never voiced that. So I don't know. That's just a supposition on my part.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, going back to Tucker himself, Tucker never made suppositions. He knew.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why in his honor, I'm wearing the shirt today. It says I may be wrong, but it's highly unlikely.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, the difference is he would never have said he may be wrong. He will always was right.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: He just went with the highly unlikely part. You know, so it was the best I could get in terms of closest I could get.

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be curious when he gets out and he starts to watch some of the episodes that he still might not be convinced he's wrong about it.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he will be. I don't think it's I think the confirmation bias is strong in him.

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And I just don't think he'll admit to it. You know, it's something a lot of people suffer from.

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But but going back to another issue with that, just because I want to get this Kenny quote in here, Cedric, going back to that, told Tucker they didn't have the votes to take out Quinn and Tucker wouldn't listen.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And at that time afterwards, Kenny told Mike Bloom, you could have told him there was actually zero votes in the House for it and Tucker wouldn't have changed his mind.

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and of course, that wasn't the only time narrowing just narrowing it down to just a few select examples was difficult.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, because when he was sure he was right and wasn't it just happened over and over again.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So a few samples here. Tucker thought from the beginning of the week when Cedric volunteered to go on the block that Tucker had the votes to evict him.

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, yes, it ended up with Cedric's eviction, but that had almost nothing to do with Tucker.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It was because of T Corp and chemo. And, you know, it was funny because Tucker had acknowledged to other people that everyone was gunning for him.

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And yet somehow he still thought he had sway in the House to get out Cedric.

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_02]: This turned into one of those situations where he was coincidentally right at the end. But again, had almost nothing to do with him.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Another situation was when Tucker insisted on the live feeds because this never made it to TV that he knew Quinn could not renominate after the veto with his deep fake H.O.H. power.

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Quinn told everyone about all aspects of the power. Tucker refused to accept it, even when Quinn pointed out that he wouldn't be allowed to lie about it because it's against the rules to use production as a strategy.

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_02]: As usual, he was sure he was do everything and he was wrong.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Tucker owes me several hours of sleep because I watched these live feeds and hearing him making some of these proclamations.

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I spent a lot of time going back trying to find out where was this said that I missed something in the conversation.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And now he just he just once it gets in his mind, it's tough to dissuade him. That was yeah.

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Now, the funniest aspect of this to me was a situation that happened just a few days ago when Tucker kind of reversed things and was certain that there were things going on that didn't exist.

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he was upset that there was a ballers alliance that he had heard about.

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, it's that Quinn. It's this person. It's that he's going around to different people.

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_02]: He forgot it was his own short lived alliance from a little while back.

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that that that was hilarious. That was a comedic situation.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I almost this is Big Brother all George Orwell 1984 almost makes me think about the whole deal about you just change your thought of the people that you just change your thought when he started talking about the ballers and did not remember that it was Cedric and Kenny and Cam and him.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And he was so convinced. So there was a lot of paranoia taking place in that house last week and Tucker certainly wasn't above that as well.

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Now, another area where Tucker was always sure he was right and therefore wouldn't be flexible was something I had mentioned already the way he kept insisting that he had mastery of body language reading and he was always right.

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And it didn't matter that we saw him get it wrong time and time again from Lisa and the power to Cedric supposedly feeling bad when he had no reason to and so on when he would occasionally get something right often by coincidence that confirmation bias bias I mentioned earlier would kick in.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And that would be all he'd remember and he just kept insisting he was amazing at it.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I felt so sorry and I go back. I think you mentioned Lisa and I think about that one where no matter what she did he would say oh I saw you turn your head or I saw you swallow no matter what she did somehow his CIA training and body language reading and whatever showed that she was lying to the point he ought to maybe he ought to be a police detective or something because I feel like she was just a quivering mess by the end of that conversation because she couldn't move at all without being accused of lying and just

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_01]: more intimidation from Tucker a different kind of intimidation.

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah we see a lot of that on the traders I don't know if you watch the trade. Yeah.

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know we see a lot of people go in there and they'll be like, you paused for 1.5 microseconds therefore, you must be a trader you know or or you did that and you did that.

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like no stop it there. Yeah, occasionally you can catch something but it's rare and in the grand scheme of things.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_02]: It's wrong.

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, we can move on. I love people that come into this game thinking they can just read everyone. Angela does the same thing. Oh, yeah. She thinks that you can read everyone and you can't do it.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_01]: There's just you're no one's that good. I don't think maybe Derek Levesse or in a few others, but I don't think you can do it.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Even body language actual body language experts. Yeah, I question them. I used to believe it.

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But even those folks I question, you know, how scientific is this really, you know, and they always manage to cast world class liars in the game of big brother.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, makes it a little tough. Yeah. All right. Well, the fourth rule says players should not let their emotions control them.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we'll have anything to talk about. But Tucker was like 99% emotion in the game, whether it was as you mentioned earlier, revving himself up to go after someone or wanting to quit this week, which TV viewers never saw.

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So many of his actions were emotionally driven, and we've discussed multiple times overall over the season on the podcast that Tucker seemed to have a need to create an enemy for himself to get emotional boost.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Whether it was Quinn or Lisa or Quinn or Angela or Quinn or production or Quinn, he would find reasons to get mad and use that to push himself.

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, as a motivational tool, it sometimes worked. The problem is when he was making decisions emotionally, he often pushed logic and facts aside.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what we were just talking about with Lisa.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_02]: He was sure she had the secret power. And then you mentioned earlier, found out from others that she didn't. He just brushed it off.

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, admittedly, there were a lot of reasons to target her anyway. So, you know that didn't necessarily do it. But still, it didn't change him in any way.

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But also the situation we discussed where he wanted Cedric to dominate Quinn. He was so emotionally invested in it that he just wouldn't listen when Cedric told him the votes weren't there.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's funny because sometimes Tucker would try to deny that emotional drive that he had. I know he would come up to people.

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He came up to Angela before and said, I still love you. It's just a game. And he was saying the words that some people truly can compartmentalize the game and the emotion.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think he could do that. He talked at one point about as a kid, how much it hurt him to be accused of lying about some things that he didn't lie about.

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like he's carried that over even to now in the way he handles other people and just this we heard it over again, this truth or lying and him calling people out whenever he saw it, just feeling like he just had to stand up for the people who were lying against him or against people that that particular week.

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_01]: He felt aligned with maybe it changed the next week. Yeah, I think he just almost felt like he had this duty to somehow avenge people and there was a lot of emotion built into that that he carried with them.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, exactly. I just think he would react emotionally without taking the time to think things through.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, in addition to the examples that we've already mentioned, we can look at the aftermath of the hide and go veto comp where he assumed Quinn through his clothes on the floor went off on him publicly calling him names swearing at him saying he was going to, you know, he had put the nail in his own coffin, etc.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_02]: People tried telling him it wasn't Quinn, but he wouldn't listen until he finally calmed down a bit. And then of course, he claimed, oh, yeah, I always knew that it was for show. Yeah, which is complete BS. You know, we saw that a few times.

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. And it's funny because yeah, that was hilarious. And I saw him talk to quiz. Oh, yeah, just playing it up for for all that.

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I know there was one. I don't remember what the conversation was between him and Cam, and he was upset about something. And Cam, who certainly doesn't seem to be playing with a whole lot of emotion or any other motivations perhaps.

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But he told him said, Look, just take a breath. Just take a moment and gather yourself. And Tucker couldn't do that. He was just 100 miles a minute trying to get this stuff handled and addressed and calling out people and Cam warned on many just couldn't get get into his brain even though he was just a little bit of a

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. He didn't do that. Yeah, I mean, he would also react emotionally and without thinking in other ways. We saw when he volunteered to be the nominee this time, you know, frankly, Tucker's reasons for doing so just plain sucked from a game perspective.

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And sorry, Tucker fans, but it's true. It was all emotion. And you alluded to this earlier because he told Mike Bloom, I wanted to be a gentleman and I offered it to two people that I was not in an alliance with.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm in an alliance with her. She has the most contagious, joyous celebratory happiness. You can't not feel warm in your heart. So I know how hard that H.O.H. can be. I know that she's a very empathetic person and I just wanted to offer it so she knew she had that comfort padding if she needed it.

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_02]: All of that is is very nice, very heartwarming, but terrible in the game.

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So, and you know when your H.O.H., it's okay if you feel a little uncomfortable. If you have to make some tough decisions, you're a person in power. I never felt too sorry for the H.O.H.s during my season. They'll be okay. You got to worry a little bit more, Tucker, than the person in charge of that.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So future players who may be listening or watching here, even if your intention is good, let me just say again, don't volunteer to go on the block.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Never ever, no matter how guaranteed it is.

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, another problem that we also alluded to earlier was the Tucker got bored easily in the house. He's been talking about it since at least week three, which I noted at the time was not a good indicator in a three month game.

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_02]: If there weren't already enough things going on to keep his attention, he'd create chaos. Of course, he would call it playing hard, but it wasn't. It was just chaos.

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He made the comment at one point to someone saying, you know, everyone keeps saying that this is a marathon, not a sprint, but I can sprint marathons.

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_01]: He just didn't fully understand.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to see him sprint a marathon. Go for it.

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He'll run the first half pretty hard, but no one makes it to the end.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of people just don't understand how much downtime that you have in this place.

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It's nothing but sitting around and let the conspiracies and paranoia develop when it happens.

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And he just wasn't ready for that.

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just not that kind of person.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a type A character that just can't handle chill time.

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. I mean, Kenny, someone else who had problems with that told Entertainment Weekly at times he was very bored in the house.

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_02]: He thought the game was starting off too slow.

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And we talked in the second rule about him saying he was there to play some Big Brother and make Big Brother moves, but was actually overplaying.

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was mostly because of boredom.

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Another example of this was when Tucker kept saying he used the veto on Angela instead of himself quote for Cedric.

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_02]: No, he didn't do it for Cedric. He did it because he was bored and wanted some excitement.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It had nothing to do with Cedric.

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But while Tucker got antsy, people like Chelsea are in the background correctly noting, like you said, this is a long game.

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so different from Survivor, especially now with the shortened Survivor seasons where there's always something happening.

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You always have to be prepared.

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Big Brother just sit there for a long time and just have to deal with thoughts that she shouldn't be having to deal with.

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a different game.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Now I want to reiterate that Tucker's boredom often caused him to do things that TV and especially live feed viewers found entertaining.

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was, but just kind of late in the podcast reminder here.

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_02]: We're just we're here to discuss how Tucker's actions affected his game, not our viewing.

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, Tucker is not the only person that's ever done this.

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_01]: We've had a lot of Big Brother players throughout the season who have played too hard, too fast.

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_01]: We had a lot of those.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think because Tucker, some parts of Tucker can be so charismatic that people sometimes have been willing to overlook some of the gameplay because he's just a fun person to watch.

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. I always cheer for the underdogs and I caught myself continually cheering for Tucker a lot this season.

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And so if he wasn't the person that he was, I think a lot of people would have turned on Tucker and some of his gameplay several weeks ago.

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Because of the person he is that I think he has so much support right now.

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And that so it's a game playing doesn't say anything about him as a person in some ways.

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, some things he just that wasn't quite there.

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think he's just a charismatic guy and that carried him a lot.

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't carry you all the way through.

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, of course, still talking about not letting your emotions control you.

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_02]: There was another facet to Tucker's emotional game, and that was his showman with Rubina.

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_02]: We discussed the strategic implications of it in the second role, but we'd be remiss not to mention it here as well because both he and Rubina said multiple times that they tried not to do it, but they just couldn't stop themselves.

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is kind of the opposite of what this rule says.

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And look, I'm no Scrooge.

[00:52:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't think of anyone else that you know is against love.

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, love is great.

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And as I said earlier, I wish them the best outside the house, but it affected the way he was playing.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_02]: A good example is the AI instigator issue that we talked about.

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_02]: He did that because from an emotional standpoint, he wanted people to know so they didn't have to keep it a secret.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But that pushed away other players and it upset Rubina herself because it just was not thought out from a logical perspective.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and even and I don't know what all went into that AI instigator, but we saw a change in the way the messages were coming across from the first one, which he did with Rubina.

[00:53:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And then suddenly there were friendlier messages.

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And I really I liked where he was making people memorize list and all that.

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like Tucker could have done even a whole lot more with that instigator, but almost feel because of the emotional impact he saw with Rubina.

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_01]: He may have backed off a little bit.

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he still had a few Chelsea and a few others.

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But for the most part, I think he slacked off a little bit just because he saw the emotional impact with that first one.

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. Now, before we leave this rule, I do want to mention that at least in Tucker's eyes, he separated the game and personal feeling.

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And actually you mentioned this earlier because we heard him say multiple times, you know, oh, I'm leaving emotion out of it.

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think in his own way, he believed that he could go hard at someone one moment and then tell them, oh, well hang out and be friends after the game is over.

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And all of that is great. The problem was that as we just discussed, he did let his emotions get to him and change his path in the game.

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he did. He's he it's not that he's just talk because as you said, I truly think he believes that.

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And I have a feeling after this season is over, he's going to be hanging and best friends with good friends with most of this cast.

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's also from his emotion, but also just because he thinks he can distance the two doesn't mean the people he's interacting with can do the same thing.

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's a two way road and he never really was looking at the folks heading the other direction on that road.

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It was only his his view. Well, it's interesting because I don't consider this a spoiler, even though it happened on the live feeds after he was voted out.

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think it was T Corp said overnight something to the effect of we weren't able to separate our hearts from the game.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_02]: They were when they voted out Tucker.

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a hard game when you're just playing with strategy alone, when you throw in the emotion.

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Just adds to the complexity.

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, the fifth rule says players need to pretend to be nice and play the social game.

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is an interesting one because Tucker often seemed like a nice guy.

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, other times he could blow up at people.

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And usually it seemed like others got over it. But in at least certain cases, it was a facade.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Now you've already brought this up a couple of times. How do you think he did overall specifically in this?

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And now I don't think that well, I think it was.

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he yes, he played nice. But when you.

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_01]: When your own show man's doesn't necessarily know that you truly that in your heart, you're you're the nice guy.

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_01]: When she doesn't even know, I think that it's not that it wasn't sincere.

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I just think that as much as he tried to be nice to people, he was so quick to find a new target and so quick to go to the next person that it just didn't always seem as genuine as maybe he thought it should be.

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_01]: He thought it was some of these people.

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do think that outside the house, Tucker would be a blast.

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And he often was inside the house as well, even for those playing against him.

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But like I said, there were also downsides, like when he would insult people often with profanity.

[00:56:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But then get upset because Quinn called him something goofy in his pre vote speech.

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Chelsea said at one point that he was like an onion with layers and a sweet onion at that who's a great guy.

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, it's still still had those other issues multiple times in his interviews.

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Tucker talked about doing things for other house guests because it was nice to do them like volunteer to go on the block or letting T Corp keep the $5,000 while he took punishment or generally trying to make people feel good in the house in the hopes that it would offset the threat level they saw.

[00:57:34] [SPEAKER_02]: The problem was that as we discussed earlier with regard to the volunteering and $5,000, it's not going to automatically make them ignore every other aspect of your game.

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a survivor when someone wins a big reward and takes another player on it in the hopes that it will help build their relationship.

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And then that person just votes them out next anyway.

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_02]: There's no one to one transaction level here.

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Pretending to be nice and playing the social game is more something that will prevent others from voting you out because they can't stand being around you like Tucker did with Lisa.

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, to make them like you enough to vote for you at the end.

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_02]: But first you have to get to the end and a few nice gestures aren't going to overcome everything else stacked against someone like that.

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_01]: No, and you mentioned it before. It's not even as much what is your intent or in your heart.

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the perception and the game of Big Brother.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone is always looking for that ulterior motive.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He gave me that money not because he's nice, but because he wants something from me in exchange or whatever.

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. He didn't give me that.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Angela and she didn't say as I'm just he didn't give me that veto because he's being nice, but because he wants my numbers or whatever.

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And suddenly now, Angela, who should have been so grateful for all for what he had done, but she sees suddenly that she's suspecting that it's something beyond just nicety from Tucker that's leading to the way he's treating her.

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And so she just does her one 80 and all that.

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's you can be the nicest person in the world in that house.

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_01]: But you have to be careful still about how you how you hand it out because people aren't going to really believe that you can ever be a nice person playing the game of Big Brother.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, now I do want to mention that a lot of people thought Tucker seemed to have a cult following last week, but we have to remember he was H OH.

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So of course they were kissing up to him.

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he did, you know, still as of the vote have several people who wouldn't turn on him like chemo and Joseph and of course Rubina, but that wasn't enough.

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You know that that cult people were like oh he's got everybody following him.

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't because he was, you know, doing something magical. He was H OH.

[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's easy.

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I know it wants to be the first person to take that shot.

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're you're happy to stand in line and just waddle all along like a bunch of penguins or whatever.

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think as soon as the first person was willing to open themselves up that hey maybe keeping him in the best thing in the world.

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Then you suddenly everyone stops kissing the ring all at once.

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost a Lord of the Flies mob mentality.

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's with you until until they aren't right and then it quickly shifts.

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that takes us nicely to the sixth rule which warns against being too much of a threat.

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, you know what? That wasn't the issue at all. We could say nothing with Tucker on that.

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, obviously everyone knew that Tucker was a huge threat including Tucker himself.

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_02]: He told Mike Bloom I know that I was a very appetizing target the whole time in there and the second people would have a chance to strike.

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: They would have been fools not to and as recently as Thursday on the live feeds before his eviction.

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Tucker said he'd be the first one to go when he was talking to chemo about what would happen if there was a double eviction and changes to remove the third nominee in the arena.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: This was an opinion shared by myself and many other viewers as well turned out didn't take that long because when you're relying completely on comps to stick around, you can't always win them all.

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. The game is designed to keep you from winning them all.

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He was lucky he got a season that gave him two opportunities every week so far.

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_01]: He was a victim of his own success in a lot of ways.

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Every time he achieved success in one of these competitions, that threat just got bigger and bigger.

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I in the best case situation, I don't know what he thought was going to happen.

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_01]: In a worst case, you don't pull yourself off the AIBB arena and you're still on the block.

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_01]: In the best case, you do everything that he expected to do.

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You pull yourself off and it just makes you more and more of a big target.

[01:01:54] [SPEAKER_01]: There was no winning for Tucker in the approach that he took.

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. You mentioned already, but I want to specifically credit those who voted him out, especially Chelsea, for being willing to quietly plan this because one thing about the AIBB arena is it doesn't just mean the planned target could win their way off.

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: It also means that a challenge beast like Tucker could essentially put a stop to his name even being discussed because people worried he'd win the arena and find out they talked about him and thus become his target.

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Earlier, I said I was certain Tucker would survive once I saw the AI arena set up.

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But even before that, I wasn't even sure he'd be evicted if he lost because it's just been so hard for other players to even contemplate it out in the open.

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So again, props to Chelsea and others for making the quiet moves that were necessary to prepare for this scenario.

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll give them credit as well because we as viewers know that there is not a battle back, but they don't know inside the house what necessarily is going on.

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel as much, especially me personally, as much as I really like that I had a battle back my particular season.

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I do think in some ways it stifles some of the big moves in the early game because of the fear that in the best possible situation we may vote Tucker out and he may be back next week and he will be back with the vendetta against some of us.

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So for them to go ahead and take the chance while they did, I think it shows some pretty good strategy on their point and a little bit of risk taking that I really respected and admire.

[01:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Yeah.

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And you, of course, are well known for after coming back in having such a vendetta and becoming such a mean and evil person.

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It's all about flexibility and adaptability.

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, going back to Tucker, he made a cliche mistake early in the game.

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_02]: He kept talking about how you should take out the biggest threats early on without recognizing that he was basically telling everyone else to take him out.

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're a strong competitor, the last thing you should be promoting is the idea of getting out strong competitors.

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: He should have been pushing the idea of getting out the quiet people, those he called floaters.

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes he did mention it, but not nearly often enough.

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, he usually complained that people were being too passive.

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: No, don't complain about it.

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Target them saying, Oh, all of us are strong people should get together and target those.

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't say you want to take out the competitors because then they're like, Well, huh?

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's the biggest competitor here?

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I think he was aware that he talked about the fact that he didn't really want Cam to go home because he saw Cam as potentially another

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_01]: comp beast that could create some distraction from Tucker.

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And so maybe create a little bit of a shield for him and all that.

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think to some degree, he understood the fact that that you don't necessarily want them all out.

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But he just couldn't get around seeing these people who he saw and maybe seeing people that were most similar to him that he wanted out.

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He sees himself as his comp beast, so he wants to get out everyone else who is similar to him so that he so he doesn't have to worry about them.

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's got his skill set that's going to excel over everyone else.

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it comes back even early in the season.

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He and Leo were the two chefs will get her out because I want to be the only game in town.

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Even logically, it makes sense that you don't get out the other comp.

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't make that suggestion and have people latched onto it internally and emotionally.

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's still he wants to be the guy he wants to be the man.

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And that means you get out anyone else who may be somewhat similar to him.

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the seventh rule says to trust almost nobody.

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like Tucker was up and down in this one, in part because as we already discussed, he seemed to think trust was transactional.

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he saved Angela with the veto, so he expected her to be totally loyal to him.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: He volunteered to be on the block and gave T Corp $5,000.

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So he expected her to do whatever he wanted with her.

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, we've already mentioned that trust doesn't work that way in this game.

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, yes, it can be transactional, but more often it's gained through a series of overall actions and showing that you consider other people's viewpoints.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But as we talked about earlier, he wasn't good at that.

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why he kept getting bitten by people doing things he didn't want because he also did things they didn't want at other times.

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, let's face it, when you make yourself the biggest target in the game, it's hard to trust just about anyone to keep you around.

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if they know what they're doing, they'll tell you whatever they think you want to hear.

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think Tucker.

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was one of his faults was that he was thinking that other people were seeing this game and this world and the relationships the same way he sees it.

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't necessarily appreciate the different people can approach us a little bit differently.

[01:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And so if Tucker sees himself that, oh, if someone gives me the money, if someone does this to me, I'm going to feel like I owe him.

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to provide some loyalty back.

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And he didn't realize that other people may not be quite the same way in terms of how they're going to handle the life.

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: He just couldn't accept that there's a lot of different personalities and characters in that game.

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it throughout the season, that was his I think one of his biggest issues.

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: He could not put himself in the mind of other people if he thought Cedric had no other allies than clearly Cedric had no other allies.

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_02]: No, they were secret allies.

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, if he thought, you know, that this power would not include the ability to renominate.

[01:07:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, then clearly Quinn was lying and it didn't have that power.

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he just never could do that.

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So, all right.

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it is about time to wrap things up for Tucker.

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So what are your final thoughts about him?

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: He was incredibly fun to watch.

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he charismatic guy.

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll see him on TV again at some point soon.

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So all of that was a lot of fun.

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Strategically, he just he just wasn't there.

[01:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: He was he was a flash in the pan and incredible flash in the pan.

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: He was going back to chef's up.

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: He was the flambé.

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: He was flames going everywhere that everyone goes, ooh, and all and everything else.

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But you flash early and you burn out early as well.

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just think he as much as he says he can sprint marathons, he showed us that he can't.

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have the focus or the strategic plan to make it work.

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_01]: He relied on on a certain amount of charisma.

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: He relied on an athletic ability to carry him through.

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's just two of the three things that you need in there.

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Tucker talked in his interviews about how he lost because he didn't understand the rules of the A.I. arena.

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And while that's valid for, as he might say, the final nail in the coffin, there were much more important rules he didn't understand or adhere to through his whole time in the game.

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And those would be my rules that we just spent like over an hour discussing after his eviction.

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I got a number of messages from people saying the hardest part for this podcast would be to cut down the number of examples I could use in showing him violating pretty much every rule.

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And they were right.

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I talked about it earlier.

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Tucker was often entertaining to watch, but usually that was because he was doing things he shouldn't from a strategy perspective.

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Tucker told Tucker told Rubina this week that he saw this game like you mentioned earlier as himself playing varsity with JV kids.

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was part of the problem.

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: He thought he was amazing and everyone else was terrible because he only saw the big brother world through his own viewpoint and refused to consider anyone else's.

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_02]: As we discussed in the third rule, he refused to change in order to play the game.

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, those supposedly JV kids were willing to change and do what they needed because they understand the game better than he does.

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: A perfect example was a discussion on the live feeds a little while ago when T Corp mentioned to Rubina that Tucker could have laid low and beasted the comps out at the end.

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And Rubina responded like Jag.

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: T Corp agreed.

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But then Rubina noted that Jag was more emotionally regulated.

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, this is Rubina saying this his show man's.

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was before they were officially recognized, you know, but she was still close to him and recognize that huge flaw in his game.

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And so many of Tucker's other issues stemmed from this one.

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_02]: He made emotional decisions sometimes because he was upset, sometimes because he was just bored.

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That led him to overplay dramatically refused to rein himself in or chain change anything for the game.

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_02]: He outed his own show man's and so on.

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Earlier, I said that Tucker was like 99% emotion in the game.

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And now I would add that that also caused about 99% of his problems in making himself a target.

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And that is why Tucker lost.

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's spot on.

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm amazed that you're saying he's still saying it was because of that puzzle.

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: That puzzle may have accelerated the process just a little bit.

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: As BBA Arena went away, I don't think Tucker is able to change.

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was only a question of time.

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: This game is not designed to let someone run the table.

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And he just in some ways, he was too invested in doing the things that he thought he needed to do.

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And it cost him in the end.

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's fairly typical for some people who I'll just say don't think deeply as deeply about the game to just point at the most recent thing when they get voted out.

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I lost because I blew the instructions.

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that was the immediate cause of it.

[01:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But that wasn't really the reason you lost because there were a lot of things that built up to it afterwards.

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Some people will just say they'll comment on the video and they'll be like, they'll say something simplistic.

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Like when Cedric lost, they'll write, he volunteered there, saved you an hour, something like that.

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, OK, that was the immediate cause.

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But what happened to cause all of that?

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so I mean, that's kind of why we're here is to go over all of that.

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, getting back to the whole sprinting the marathon, the puzzle piece may have been Tucker stumbling a little bit.

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But the issue was the fact that he was not pacing himself at the very beginning.

[01:13:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And he was running to show off to the other people instead of because it was important to him to show off to the other people instead of keeping the focus on what do I need to do to get to the very end.

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. All right.

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we will have our spoiler free predictions in a moment after a few other pieces of information.

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, if you want our full, you know, spoiler thoughts, you could find us on social media at various different places.

[01:13:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Cliff, where can people find you?

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm on Instagram and Twitter.

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Cliff.Hog on Instagram, Cliff underscore hog on Twitter.

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You can find me just do a search.

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But then I also do my YouTube Monday evening shows.

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And I also do every morning and do a little morning recap.

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Twenty, thirty minutes.

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's out on YouTube.

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I think my channel is Cliff Hog Three.

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Just search for Cliff Hog.

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: There's not many of us out there.

[01:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So you can find me.

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_01]: But, yeah, every Monday night, eight o'clock Eastern, seven central, we do just a little one hour interactive.

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So I get to hear other people's thoughts and opinions on how this stuff is going on.

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And then again, the morning recaps every morning.

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: OK. Yeah.

[01:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody make sure to check those out.

[01:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: As for me, I am all over the place.

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The easiest way to find everything I'm doing is at my link tree, which is link three slash David Bloomberg with a dot before the E in the URL there.

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Or you can find me more directly on Twitter and Blue Sky is at David Bloomberg on threads as at David Bloomberg TV.

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's because that's connected to Instagram and on all the video sites, YouTube, Instagram and Tic Toc.

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I am at David Bloomberg TV since Big Brother has started.

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm posting at least three sometimes like yesterday as many as five videos on YouTube, Tic Toc and Instagram.

[01:14:54] [SPEAKER_02]: They're mostly Big Brother.

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, there's also some from like they were from claim to fame.

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: That just ended. But I have a few more coming on that.

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_02]: The Amazing Race Canada, the Anonymous, you know, whatever other shows are popping up and, you know, as some are leaving, I will continue to be doing videos on those.

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm approaching I think it's eight thousand on Tic Toc.

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, hop on there and get me to that number.

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm now over thirty six thousand on YouTube.

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So jump on there too.

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And again, at David Bloomberg TV on all of those.

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. Prediction time.

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So as I mentioned, these are spoiler free, which means, you know, like I wrote this up before I knew the outcome of the HOH comp.

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Now it's already hard enough to predict what will happen in this house.

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Oddly enough, it may be more difficult with Tucker gone because at least the first week because we aren't really sure where everyone stands right now.

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we know five people voted Tucker out, but we also know they don't all necessarily get along like Quinn believes Leah is with him.

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But we know differently, at least on the live feed.

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: The show hasn't told us that.

[01:16:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure Leah really wants to work with Mackenzie.

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Plus, we don't know how T Corp and chemo will feel about Quinn doing to them what they did to him a couple of weeks ago.

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It seems to me that Joseph, Angela and Rubina might seem like easy targets.

[01:16:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Rubina will be fine without Tucker, maybe better.

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Joseph will probably be protected from eviction by Quinn.

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Angela will almost certainly be nominated by whoever wins HOH.

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to go ahead and predict someone like Quinn or Chelsea or Cam wins HOH and at least tries to keep the momentum going.

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: In addition to Angela, I do think Joseph could end up on the block along with maybe chemo.

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And in the end, I think they'll finally send out Angela.

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: We're pretty close on that.

[01:17:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking about last week's HOH that T Corp won.

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a standing in a booth type situation.

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to make an assumption that we could have something that's a little more physical this week,

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_01]: which makes me think that maybe you could be looking at a Cam or Mackenzie or Quinn, someone that has shown that they can actually handle some of these competitions.

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So I maybe think one of them as far as who goes up, as you said, it seems like Angela is a slam dunk.

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: If Leah wins HOH, she may protect Angela, but I don't see anyone else.

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And Leah only will do it if she thinks that the house would be OK with it, I think.

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think Angela goes up.

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_01]: The one I may vary a little bit from is Mackenzie.

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like she's almost reached a point where she is just right there by the point of being that perpetual pawn that would be easy to put up.

[01:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: She's a lone wolf, which also at this point in the game means that you're probably not going to really offend anyone else if you put her up there.

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: If she goes, great. If she doesn't go well, at least it filled in one of these three spots so I could see her going up as well.

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And then that third spot, I think it just depends on who wins this HOH and which direction they go.

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_01]: You're right. There's so many variables that the small group, Quint, Joseph, I feel like he is pretty insulated with a lot of people.

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But there's also a lot of people saying they don't really trust Joseph. So it's kind of a dichotomy with him.

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not really sure about that third person in terms of the voting at the end.

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Just I can't say I think Angela may be reaching the end here.

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I think people, I think Angela thinks that people keep her because they like her and because she's doing so much work.

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really just that there's bigger targets out there and she's slowly running out of those bigger targets.

[01:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think people probably are at the end of it. I do wonder, Angela, this whole thing started off with Angela saying, oh, we've got to get Tucker out, blew up the house and all of that.

[01:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Tucker's gone. Is she going to take on and claim a certain ownership that it was all her that started the ball rolling?

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And would that lead her to maybe consider even doing this again, even though it was so dangerous?

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. But you may not have the chance because I could easily see Angela heading out this week because I just don't.

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Tucker was maybe her biggest fan. I don't think there's anyone left in there except maybe Leah, who would care if she stays there, probably would prefer to see her gone.

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do want to say I thought it was funny when she gave her speech and she was like, I have we have connected.

[01:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Every one of us have connected on a personal level. If you've connected that well with someone, you don't have to tell them that you've connected that well with them.

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And she begged a lot in that speech. I don't think you ever win people over by saying, I really want to be here. Everyone wants to be here.

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You got to figure out how you can help their game. And I don't think Angela's figured out how she can help anyone's game.

[01:20:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Someone said that in the before they all shuffled off into that room after the arena, she was going around saying, I really want to be here.

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I really want to be here. I can't remember who it was. I believe it was a woman said to her.

[01:20:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yes, everyone wants to be or we know both of you want to be here. We understand that.

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Unless you're skinny, other than that, everyone wants to be here.

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[01:21:34] [SPEAKER_02]: We appreciate all the stuff that goes on behind the scenes. And of course, thanks to you, Cliff, for joining me here again.

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I know it was a long time coming between visits and it was a lot of fun.

[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: We will we will make it shorter next time. And, you know, I'm sure I'll be down in your vicinity in the perhaps not too distant future.

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll try to make our schedules work to get together then even if it's not on video here, you know, yeah, come on down and we may spend hours talking Big Brother.

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_02]: We will have some fun now for everyone else.

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Ovi will be back next week and, you know, we'll see if he has any follow up thoughts.

[01:22:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And we will also see what a post Tucker world looks like. Brave new world. Yes.

[01:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So any other parting thoughts for you?

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, thank you for having me on. It was such a fun episode. I really am loving this season.

[01:22:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I think they've done a good job. Some seasons the twist here take me a little bit. Not so much this season.

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what the rest of the last half carries with us. But I've had a blast watching it and I love talking Big Brother.

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you for bringing me in here. Sure. Absolutely. Thank you again.

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody else will see you in a week. Bye.

[01:22:51] [SPEAKER_02]: SKD 143. Cheers guys.