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[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Video viewers, can already see surprise.
[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to have a special guest post with me, Cory Wartonberger from last season.
[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Woohoo!
[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a one-former college Tennessee kid to a current college Tennessee kid.
[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is not upgrade as a sidegrade.
[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I would say I think a lot of people would think why Kenny Laws, what is there to talk about?
[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I would argue he has the most reasons why he lost.
[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm excited for it.
[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So people know we are what happened here is we're three weeks into the season and
[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Ovis said he just missed his family too much and he had to leave the podcast and be with them.
[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So...
[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no.
[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, of course that's not actually true.
[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just unavailable.
[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want people like sending messages to Ovis like what happened?
[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it'll be back next week.
[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But Cory, you got a shout out from Quinn in his speech as well as back when he first
[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: voted.
[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: So you must still be riding high.
[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, it's kind of a double-edged sword because every time Quinn mentions me, it sends
[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: a new wave of hate towards Quinn which trickles down to me.
[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: He's actually my biggest enemy at this point.
[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Ever since Quinn mentions me, the Cory hate renews.
[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's much appreciated.
[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I saw today he was dressing up in a suit and I was like, okay, that's very Kevin Jacobs
[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: but people think it's Cory working burger now which is a bit, you know?
[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: A little bit of again, like I'm flattered but give respect to who deserves it.
[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And fun.
[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean look, American I cheered when he mentioned America.
[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That's right, that's right.
[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course she was the better half according to him, you know, so...
[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Not a high bar.
[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So other than making new enemies thanks to him, how have you been?
[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been great.
[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was kind of nervous about approaching a new season, not in terms of the, I'm
[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: going to be a relevant thing that's actually like a nice thing.
[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It was more so am I going to have a weird time watching the show?
[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Am I going to be able to enjoy it the same way?
[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And the answer is yes, I've been joining it a ton.
[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I had a very positive experience on my season which leads to maybe less trauma going
[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_02]: into the next season.
[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So I've just been enjoying being a big brother fan again.
[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Good.
[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Good.
[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Now we, of course, got to meet at the Chicago Survivor 46 RHAP event.
[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And you had listened to our Y-Cory Lost podcast and even we're getting America into
[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: podcast.
[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And now she was on the slot last week.
[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Like this pipeline of super fan to all these podcast shows.
[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I've opened the door slightly in the big brother lane and Quinn and Joseph
[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: are trying to blow the door down.
[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe I've opened Pandora's box here, but you know what am I going to do?
[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Now I did want to mention, you know, you have a very nice background there and for anyone
[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: who didn't see the Sunday night recap, I have the big brother pill list.
[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, these big brother shops where my wife shops for pill lists.
[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, we, we, we, we just came from TJ Maxine.
[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, up, that's the, that's the mushroom from the house.
[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That's everything.
[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, these are from, these are from home goods, which I believe is a sister company to
[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_01]: TJ Maxine.
[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So there you go.
[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, last week in my predictions, I said, I did not predict that Kenny would go, but
[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I said I would like for Kenny to be nominated because he wants to be check.
[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: See him not win Vito or A. Irina, check and just get him what he wants.
[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: The hell out of big brother.
[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Check all done.
[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But as we both mentioned, it might seem like there is a much to discuss because he basically
[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: engineered a quit without actually quitting, but there's still a lot to discuss both about
[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: other people in the house and him because they were different aspects to his game that helped
[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_01]: lead to this outcome besides even when we cover players
[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_01]: on the survivor version of this podcast when they're met a back, we still talk about them.
[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, of course we're going to talk about Ken here and we'll follow our usual path
[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_01]: of comparing how Kenny played to a set of guiding rules.
[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I originally wrote 20 years ago in 2004.
[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to ask how old you were, but I don't want to know.
[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And I have modified ever since will analyze his actions using what we saw TV life feeds,
[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_01]: interviews, and other information. And of course the most recent version of the rules is at
[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Rob Hesweb site.com slash big brother rules.
[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Now we usually have some other things to discuss about the weekend general and that is
[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: certainly true of this week. In fact there's no way we can discuss everything from this week
[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: without turning it into a very long podcast. But let's start with an insightful tweet that I saw
[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: earlier this week, which said if Quinn is back toward here, his power will become the great
[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: his greatest campaigning tool. He can declare his targets and back that up with a guaranteed
[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: HOH. And it was a great prediction because Quinn ended up doing that in his speech. So what do you
[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: think of that tweet? I mean a word spith truly. I think what's so interesting about Quinn having to use
[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_02]: power. I don't even want to give him that much credit for coming up with the idea because it was
[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: forced upon him. If Tucker did not out the power to everyone, Quinn might be lying about it
[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: to this day despite everyone knowing it. Once it's publicly outed at that point Quinn first went
[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_02]: with, I'm not going to use it at all, which is ridiculous. And then he correctly pivoted to,
[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to use it to protect on my allies and target these people. So he got to the correct destination
[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: but the path there was not super straightforward. I mean, I have seen that
[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: especially this season. I'm sure I've seen it on previous seasons probably on your season
[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: where the first because it's such a long period to get from making the first shot at the decision
[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_01]: to actually doing it, they can eventually get there. Like even when Tucker and Kenny were first talking
[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: to Seidrick about their plan, they were like, well we're not going to say anything until
[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: the very last minute and then after AI Arena, we're going to blow up Quinn's game and get everybody
[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_01]: to shift at the last minute. Which of course is an idiotic I do because people just don't do that.
[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: But then eventually as things move along, I mean aside from everything else that happened,
[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_01]: he decided to blow up the game sooner and realized, oh no, I can't wait till the last minute.
[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like I see a lot of that where people just kind of eventually get their way to
[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: what they should do. Yeah, what's dangerous is a lot of times you eventually get there and then
[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: there's more time before the evession and you get off of that plan. So again, this one like
[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: once the powers out there, the powers out there, there's not much to do anymore. And again,
[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care how we got there. When played it correctly, he stayed almost unanimously again,
[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: somebody that everyone knows wants to quit. He had a very easy campaign to run, but you're
[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: ended effectively. Yeah, although I mean, we say it's an easy campaign to run. I still think
[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Tucker would have gone if Quinn had won the AI Arena. So 100%. Yeah. So definitely just because
[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: anyone had to quit, doesn't mean they were definitely doing it. I also don't think Quinn necessarily
[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: had to rely on that threat slash promise because he handled the situation better than I expected
[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: and more importantly, everyone else reacted better than I expected, but it was kind of a good
[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: idea to be able to get out Quinn now before he could use his power. When the power is not that
[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_02]: big of a threat, when it only has one more week when it can be used and there's so many clear
[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_02]: targets for him. It's almost like the perfect deal. We keep Quinn for one week. He's going to
[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_02]: target Tucker or whoever's left on that other side. And then we can all target Quinn. I think
[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_02]: it's one of those situations. Maybe the same as the BBE AI Arena where like without the power,
[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: there's a lot more freedom to have conversations because the last thing you want to do is
[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_02]: flirt with the idea of targeting Quinn, that not end up playing out and all of a sudden he's the
[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_01]: next edge of it. Okay. So you think they're going to turn on him after this coming week here.
[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the conversation is going to happen. I don't know if we're land there, but you're not
[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_01]: going to be talking about that when you know he's the next edge of it. Yeah. True. Well, some will
[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_01]: do. Well, we can see Angela. They're used to doing that. Yeah.
[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. Well, I think we need to talk about Tucker a bit because how can we not?
[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say too much about him because I think he's going to flame out soon anyway and become
[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: a main topic on this podcast. But there are just some things he said that I feel
[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I need to call out. To start, let me just say he is playing a terrible game.
[00:11:10] [SPEAKER_01]: entertaining? Sure. I totally understand why a lot of viewers like him. But not good. And
[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this will surprise you. I'm sure, but some people on social media are having trouble
[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: understanding this that when I say he's playing a poor strategic game they're like, you don't
[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: like fun. I didn't say anything about fun. I said about strategic game. It's like if I said,
[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I like apples and they're like, you know, like grapes. I didn't say anything about grapes,
[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: you know? But and normally social media is so calm and nobody ever misunderstands anything.
[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I just jumped to a conclusion. But yeah, he's just he's not good. And I want to explain
[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: a few reasons why I'm feel free to jump in and add to it at any point. First and most importantly,
[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Tucker has a huge ego. And it doesn't only manifest itself in believing he can win every comp.
[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But also in believing he knows everything that is going on in the house. We saw last week when he
[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_01]: insisted to Lisa that she had the secret power and he knew because of his years of body language
[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: training, including from the CIA. And he was wrong. Then this week he tried using that same body
[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_01]: language stuff on Cedric saying Cedric couldn't look him in the eyes, which proved he felt guilty
[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_01]: about not telling him an advance when Cedric was like, no, I don't feel guilty because I did tell you.
[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. And I think like it's not just an ego in terms of he thinks so highly of himself. He
[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: thinks very lowly of everybody else. And it's something I observed a lot with Cameron and my
[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: season where you know how hard you're playing. And the assumption is everyone else is not playing
[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_02]: at all. That's what he called out to Izzy and Felicia during his nomination speech.
[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_02]: As someone who watched the entire season from, you know, outside the house, Izzy and Felicia were
[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_02]: playing very hard. Oh hell yeah. But you get so caught up in your own game. And because you're doing
[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_02]: so much in your backs, always against the wall, even though you're the one who put it against the
[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: wall, you think lower of everybody else. And I feel like that's what we're observing with Tucker.
[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like you're not the only one playing. You're just the one playing the worst. Yeah. And I think that's
[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, it's a problem we have talked about on, I think more usually on survivor, but I'm
[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: big brother too, where people are like nobody is strategizing. No, they are strategizing. They're just
[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_01]: strategizing with you. And that means you need to do something about it. But they are strategizing
[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_01]: with him. Look at him. Does it care? Right. Right. It goes beyond that too, I think. He kept saying
[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_01]: that he made the move for said record and that all said Rick had to do was say he was nominating
[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Quinn because he hadn't talked much game with him, which Tucker insisted was the case because like
[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_01]: we just said no one else was playing. He didn't know nor did he consider that the two of them
[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: might actually be talking game. They're in the Pentagon together. They have a separate final
[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: two deal. I mean, when has a final two deal with everyone. But you know, so yeah, they've talked
[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: game quite a bit. It would have looked very strange if Senator could gotten up there and said,
[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm nominating you because we haven't talked game Quinn would have been like, what are you talking
[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_01]: about? But Tucker didn't know that and in his mind, he can't possibly be wrong.
[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And I look who knows, maybe he's right. Maybe 10 weeks from now we'll be talking about why
[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Tucker won Big Brother 26. Oh, I mean, there's going to be a lot of I told you so is aimed in my
[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: direction if that's the case. But I don't think so. Then again, I did pre-write a Y Jack lost podcast,
[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and never got to use it obviously. So we don't know what this next twist is if it's another
[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_02]: version of the BBA Irina, you could lock him into the final seven. Yeah, that's true. Of course,
[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Tucker's biggest problem is he gets bored easily. Even admitted at an a diary room. He's three
[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_01]: weeks into a three month game and he's already antsy. So he wants chaos but he calls it playing hard.
[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: He even told Joseph on the feeds. This shit was too boring. I'm not afraid to play this game.
[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone else seems like they're effing, he didn't say that. Afraid to play this game.
[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm here to play some big brother and make some big brother moves. And he's definitely
[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_01]: making big brother moves. They're just not good big brother moves. No, but it's it's so interesting
[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_02]: because I think we're operating under the lens of how we've always watched big brother. It's really
[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_02]: bad to not use the veto on yourself to nominate yourself to be upon. And these are bad things. I
[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: think every one of his decisions was bad. But he does have a relatively reliable security blanket.
[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's making use of it and it's like, I can look at everyone of his decisions, say their bad
[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and fully expect him to survive the week. And I think he has so much confidence in some of that
[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_02]: confidence is well-founded in his compability where it goes and keep growing and growing until
[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: eventually that bubble comes off. Yeah, and I'd like to say that, well, the comp's have been
[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_01]: more equitable, at least in the beginning. But with two comps to get out of, he's going,
[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: it's likely that there is something in his wheelhouse, either veto or AI arena.
[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you play a comp against 14 people. Okay, that's hard to win. Then you go against six more
[00:16:47] [SPEAKER_02]: doable. Then against three. And I think what a lot of people like Lucide of, it's not always about
[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_02]: is the comp equitable. That's a huge part of it but that's just one part of it. The other part of
[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: it are you good at comps? And that is like these cardival games, these silly cameras really good at them.
[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Tucker seems to be really good at them. And ultimately, it's kind of hard to design a comp that
[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_02]: is in a booth with a true or false. That someone like Angela has a better chance of beating
[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_02]: someone like Tucker. So, I'm not going to say it's all comp design. This season's been a lot better
[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: than most thus far. He just seems to be good at things. Yeah, and he did like in the AI arena. He did
[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: find a way to make it easier for himself. He saw where the error was blowing out of and partially
[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: blocked it, which made it easy. Now anyone could have done that. But he thought of it. It's just,
[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to say the run can't go on forever but then I look at your season. And he's just
[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: whenever you see someone get that overconfident. Well, I'm going to say overconfident. He would say
[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: what's happening. You feel like there has to be a point where it doesn't work.
[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, is that that door is available? It'll be used. Yeah. If it's not available. Right. Got to
[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_01]: be them. Right. Um, compared to Tucker, there are a few other players in the house who realize,
[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_01]: no, you're, you're not supposed to be out front at this point. Like Chelsea was noting to Mackenzie.
[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a long game playing it safe in the beginning as smart. And so you have other players who are
[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_01]: like looking at him and going, this is crazy. What is he doing here? But he's just going to keep,
[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_02]: he's going to keep doing what he's doing. Yes. And I think we might have reached the point of
[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: it's getting a little bit annoying and we're not near the end of the ride. Um, so I'm hoping
[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: we reach such an extreme point where it like loops back to being awesome again. And um,
[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_01]: waiting excitedly. All right. Is there anything or anyone else you want to discuss about
[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_01]: other players or this week before we get to our regular segment? Sure. Last person I want to talk
[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_02]: about is Centric because he had a very messy HOA train. But I feel like he was not the main
[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_02]: reason there was a mess. Like I think he handled things as well as he could have
[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_02]: priced good of a player as he is. I think Dan might have been able to do it a little bit more
[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_02]: gracefully. But I think Centric ultimately made the right choice between targeting Quinn and Tucker,
[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_02]: he informed Tucker. I think he has some people targeting him but that seemed pretty unavoidable.
[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I'm not in love with the position he's in, but given the circumstances, I'm pretty happy
[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: with how he did. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And he, you know, a lot of people were commenting like,
[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, he's he's pretty young and he handled himself very well in the face of like Tucker screaming
[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: at him. But he's also a former Marine. He's probably used to drill sergeants screaming at him
[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: and not reacting. So, uh, yeah. So yeah, I think, Sedric is an a decent position, I think.
[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I will say all of his allies seem to want to go to that for him. Like there's been active
[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_02]: conversations if we need to protect Sedric and that's, you don't get a lot of goodwill and
[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_01]: bit brother. Yeah. So I just before we started recording, I posted a TikTok about the argument where
[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Tucker was yelling at him. You're all alone and I'm coming after you and it's like, no, he's not
[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_01]: alone. He has allies, you know, a lot of them. Yeah. All right. Well, it is time to move to the
[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Julie Chen Moon Vezis, run about blank segment and you don't have to participate here in this
[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: part in case you want to, you know, I'll call back for a return E season. But part of Julie's watching.
[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. Oh, we always jokes that she is, but yeah, I don't think so.
[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Typically, Julie would say something in her entertainment weekly and review for us to discuss here.
[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But not this week. Other times she'll say something in her post-evitiction interview of the player.
[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_01]: But as of the moment that we're recording, the long version, I do not believe had made it to Instagram
[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: yet. So I couldn't milk that for anything. But there were two things she said on the show itself.
[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_01]: The first was her opening of Thursday show where she said, said, Drick, blindsided Tucker.
[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: No, we didn't in fact shortly after she said it, we got flashbacks proving
[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_01]: said Drick tried to put a stop to it but Tucker refused to listen.
[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was a blind side. I think he had been, but it was. Well, I think Tucker was blind
[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: side. Yes, but he did it to himself. Don't blame Sedrick for it is that you know.
[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: On a similar note, Julie said Tucker made quote a risky move by using the video on Angela instead of
[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_01]: himself and you know already mentioned this, you know, to my mind, no, he made a stupid move. The kind of
[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_01]: move that would have earned him a smack with note cards like she gave to Marcelus way back when
[00:22:16] [SPEAKER_01]: if Tucker hadn't been one AI arena. So I know she could be saying it's a risky move because
[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: now he has to win the AI arena. It's still a stupid, if I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean, look, it's risky. I
[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_02]: think is a fair word. If the edit was so positive on Tucker, maybe had the more willing to accept
[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_02]: and more friendly interpretation. But yeah, that's not the word I would have used. Yeah.
[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. Well, before we move on to the rules, I do want to mention that the survivor version
[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: of the rules comes in a colorful version in poster form. Good Rob has website.com slash yx
[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_01]: lost feeds scroll down to the poster and click on it and then order it and it will be sent to you.
[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_01]: In addition to the poster, there is the poster on a t-shirt and the checklist on a t-shirt.
[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Checklist is the closest to the big brother version of these rules. We we haven't managed to get a
[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_01]: merch with the big brother version yet. We're still working on the die price.
[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_01]: As I said earlier, it may seem like we wouldn't have much to discuss about Kenny because he
[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: essentially quit without quitting. But we still need to dig into not just all of what he did,
[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_01]: but why he did it and how it affected different aspects of his game.
[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Plus, he didn't always want to quit while he did always make some mistakes in the way he was playing.
[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's dive in and find out not just one thing he did wrong, but all the things he did wrong.
[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe if he did anything right at RHAP, we know reality TV and we know why Kenny lost.
[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_01]: The first and most important rule is to scheme in plot. And Kenny did basically none of this.
[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: He would say things like, I came to play, but he didn't his idea of playing was trying to win
[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_01]: cops, which is not the real game of big brother. At least in theory, of course, your
[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_01]: season did everything possible to try to prove that wrong.
[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I was at this kind of two parallel conversations we could have here David. It's
[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: why did Kenny lose and why couldn't Kenny lose earlier? Because it seemed like he was trying
[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: for a while. Most of his scheming and plotting was in order to remove himself from the house.
[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was relatively unsuccessful. He got there eventually, but I do think like he was actively
[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: having strategic conversations a lot more than you would expect someone who
[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: prepared no longer than like two hours at every point in his game if wanted to quit at some point.
[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like he had strategic chats. He did, but like he told Sharon Tharp, it was hard to
[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_01]: scheme when she asked him to compare it to being an undercover cop because he said for that,
[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: he was doing it for a bigger cause. It was hard to scheme for himself. And you know, mentioned
[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_01]: something that we'd seen in the house also about going against his character.
[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Which of course is why I'm wearing the honesty loyalty integrity shirt.
[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It brings us to the question that everybody is asking about Kenny, but not in the way
[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that we thought to get there, which is why did he go to unbig brother in the first place?
[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Because even aside from the whole thing of wanting to quit, which will get to, of course,
[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_01]: how can you be a fan of big brother and have applied multiple years to go on,
[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: but not want to scheme? And then meanwhile, we have people like Chelsea and Brooklyn and Quinn,
[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_01]: who on the live feeds are reveling in the fact that they can put aside their real world
[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_01]: inhibitions against lying because they know it's expected to be.
[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm all of two minds. I wonder first of all, is he being genuine or is it a defense mechanism
[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: or is it both? Because I think Kenny had a clear vision. We'll talk about that in a future role.
[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I had a clear vision of how his game was going to go. And when that kind of went off the rails,
[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: it felt like he was very deflated and I think that's when you start to hear a lot more about
[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_02]: his family and a lot more about the integrity honesty loyalty, like that kind of side of things.
[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not only doubting that he had trouble doing these things. I also think once he
[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: realized the game wasn't for him, he started having a few more moral reservations about it all.
[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a good point. And actually he said we'll talk about it in the future. I actually
[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_01]: have it here because Kenny told Mike Bloom that he did come in with a strategy. He wanted to align
[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_01]: with somebody he thought would be a good social player who would also do well in comps and he picked
[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Matt, which didn't go so well. But instead of dusting himself off and realizing there could
[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_01]: still be a lot of game to play, he got upset that he had to start from scratch. And I think
[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_01]: that's like you said, that's where he basically decided not to bother anymore. You know,
[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_02]: he just kind of tanked himself at that point. Yeah, I mean, I think he's had bursts of being back
[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_02]: into it, winning the veto competition. He seemed more engaged and he kind of tried to replace
[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Matt a couple different times with Tucker with Sedrick, but it never really stuck for him.
[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I do wonder if there was a way for potentially him and Tucker to stay this week if he could have
[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_02]: a little bit more engaged. If he wanted HOH, does that rejuvenate his game? That's a
[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_02]: luxury that no one should have. You shouldn't need to win a competition to come back in the game.
[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think he did come into the plan and it's not a horrible plan. But once the plan goes wrong,
[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_01]: you got to be able to do that. Right. And like you said, he would go through these ups and downs.
[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And that we, you know, I have planned to talk about a little later. But like after he
[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_01]: after Matt left, people would approach him and he'd say, I just want to be a lone wolf.
[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course what he really meant is I want to be a gone wolf with the difference of letter mix.
[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And so he wouldn't talk game to people except when he occasionally would like you said.
[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And even when he put, when Matt was still there, he puts so much into it that he didn't make
[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: his good relationships with others and even actively annoyed them with his pro Matt stance.
[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Then of course after Chelsea 1HOH, he just kind of parked himself on the couch and didn't really
[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_01]: interact with anyone and then that continued and Angela went approach him. And he talked to her
[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_01]: what refused to make any strategic promises. And you know, it wasn't uncommon to see him on
[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_02]: life, he's just sitting alone. No, it would be like life feed repellent. Like you see Kenny
[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_02]: on a camera and you'd have to go somewhere else because there's no strategy happening there.
[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It's very frustrating. And it felt like after Matt left, he almost had like a comfortable landing
[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_02]: spot, like not in the majority. But he kind of like Mackenzie was there and Leah Angela's on the
[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and he would just be in the minority group. And fight for as long as he could. But he actively kind of
[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_02]: pushed a lot of these people away trying to find the next strong social guide to work with.
[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. It's just not good. Right. And that's you know, that's when Tucker came along
[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: who you like you mentioned seem to energize him a little bit for a little while,
[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_01]: probably because Tucker emphasized doing things that brought more excitement, you know, and when
[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_01]: cops and, you know, earlier this week, can he even sort of formed an alliance with Tucker and
[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_01]: said, Drick and we saw how that work. And he claimed at one point to want to work with Quinn as part
[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_01]: of that group too. But again, we saw how that ended up. And to me, the main thing is that all of these
[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: emphasized, cops rather than strategy, he only wanted to be involved if it meant he could be on top.
[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And as soon as things didn't go 100% his way well, then he was back in his usual, you know,
[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: moping Kenny mode. Yeah. Look, I think if he felt like he had a path forward and a chance to win the
[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_02]: game, there was that weird visionaries plus Rebian and Tucker group that was going to form
[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_02]: that obviously never formed. They were talking about bringing him in. If he was in a majority of
[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_02]: alliance, does he feel like I have a shot now, maybe we can play this game? I don't know. I still
[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_02]: think we probably end up around here, maybe a couple weeks later. But I think the comps thing
[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_02]: is really interesting because when I saw Kenny initially, I didn't think he would be a competitor
[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_02]: guy, but he's in pretty good shape. Like he could have been one of the guys to run the table if
[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_02]: he was able to put this group together. And it's the right lesson to take away from BB25
[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: line with the comp people win the game. Yeah. But again, when that's not initially happening,
[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_02]: you've got to move on to the next thing and you get no interest. Right. Another problem here is that his
[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_01]: reads on kind of the lay of the house, they weren't just bad as Tucker's, but they weren't great
[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_01]: either. In his interviews, he was still insisting there's a strong women's alliance and Brooklyn
[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_01]: is running the house. I'll have more thoughts on that in the second rule, but for now, suffice it to say,
[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: no. He also said he's pretty sure Quinn won't use the deep fake HOH power even after
[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: as we discussed Quinn literally promised to do so when he was on the block. Now, I typed up these
[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_01]: notes before anything would or wouldn't happen. You know, we do this spoiler free for anything that
[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_01]: happens after, but let me just say it would be extremely surprising to me if Quinn doesn't use it.
[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Yet Jenny's walking out of there going, oh, I don't think he will. Yeah, I think maybe that is a
[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_02]: result of him being an undercover cop retresses read so much that he doesn't feel the need to gather
[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_02]: information and if you wanted information, how was he going to get it? Like I really don't think
[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_02]: he has like a mole on the other side. So yeah, we have three problems. One, he thinks his reads
[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_02]: are good. They're not two. He doesn't want to gather information and three, if he wanted to gather
[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_02]: information, he could it. So nothing good in this whole conversation, Kenny. He needed to plant
[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_02]: bugs in the house. Yeah, that was all. They did that bigger than Canada. Someone could watch
[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: the live feeds, remember that? Like if you had Kenny in front of the eight monitors,
[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_01]: that's a powerful player. Now, before we leave this rule, I do want to say that in a way,
[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_01]: it was good that Kenny didn't really tightly align with anyone because that way, other people weren't
[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_01]: negatively affected by him leaving the way we've seen happen with people who quit on survivors sometimes.
[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And I 100% think. So we could move to the second rule, which says not to scheme and plot too much
[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and to keep your scheming secret. Kenny obviously didn't ask him and plot too much. But one area
[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_01]: where he failed was in keeping what little he discussed secret in terms of like his belief that
[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_01]: was a woman's alliance. He used his supposed cop skills of being quote, pretty observant
[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: to detect this, which you just you just mentioned it. First thing about this, it is so cliche
[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_01]: to immediately blame a women's alliance. And if you were going to pick one person out of the whole
[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_01]: cast pregame who was the most likely to say there's a women's alliance, you would have pointed
[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: right at Kenny. And I recognize that I fall into that similar, very similar demographic.
[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But he followed the cliche completely and then of course more importantly than that it wasn't
[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: really. You know, yes, the women had talked about having each other's back and
[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_01]: the like but they're spread over multiple independent alliances and there is no actual women's
[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: alliance in the way that he believes. But the worst part is he told a couple guys Brooklyn was running
[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_01]: it and then Timo immediately told Ticoar and then Ticoar told Rubina and then all the women knew
[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and they were not happy about it ended up confronting him in the aftermath of the video meetings.
[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And when they were discussing who to vote out Mackenzie emphasized to other women how Kenny had repeatedly
[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_01]: said he wanted to take out the women because of this supposed alliance. So it...
[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know why he thought it was a good idea to talk to just any well, I guess it
[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_02]: was any male who would listen about this. Yeah, my thought is maybe he was using this as his
[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_02]: device to try to make the all boys alliance but his unfounded paranoia about the women grouping
[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_02]: together and targeting him, cause the women to group together and target it, which it happens a lot in
[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_02]: the way brother of like someone it's almost like Joseph pretending like the collective is real and
[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_02]: eventually it is real, like just talking things into existence. Obviously to this day there's no
[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_02]: formalized women's alliance but I do think he kind of brought them all together because of
[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_01]: them having a common enemy being him. Yeah, yeah and like I said he just uh well like you said
[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_01]: it was a bad read and not gathering information but again even in his ex-in-unirviews he still believes
[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_02]: right now he still believes it. I don't watch the feeds and believe it away from it. Well,
[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how he's gonna watch it for you you know but um all right we can go to the third
[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_01]: rule which talks about the need to be flexible. I'm gonna toss this one to you even though
[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_01]: it's kind of a gimmick. How do you think Kenny did in terms of being flexible?
[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_02]: On scale of one to ten. Sure. That was zero. Yeah. There was definitely nothing so
[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_02]: let's talk with the different layers of inflexibility. Number one he came in with a exact plan
[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_02]: of how to play the game. He wants to play a deracle of Asher, build out his boys alliance,
[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_02]: steam roll to the end. As clear as like also being the undercover cop and wanting to keep it a
[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_02]: secret I guess the one part he was flexible on was a certain point he decided not to keep it a secret
[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_02]: but that was not an adaptation that was him folding. But yeah there's zero out of ten F.R.
[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, whether other ways you said there were a number of ways that he uh
[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_02]: well I think a lot of it just came down to relationships like he had no desire to build
[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_02]: relationships outside of his small group of people. His idea of who we wanted to work with.
[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Regardless of whether they wanted to work with him. He never reacted to the people's
[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Convert like the conversations he would have with other people. Him and Angela clicked really well
[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: but he was so set in his beliefs from week one that Angela is insane I can't work with her
[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_02]: they never got to grow into anything real. Meanwhile his relationship with like to the end of
[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_02]: time he still thought said R.K. had his back even though said R.K. was the one who nominated him and
[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_02]: when I say had his back he thought said R.K. would like help with the Tim was the goal. Yeah, uh
[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_02]: we wanted to work with never was willing to be flexible on a depth from that and I think there
[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_02]: was like not many options but maybe one or two people who would have been open to pulling him in.
[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah I agree completely it's pretty clear he was not at all flexible. I guess you could say
[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_01]: his moods were flexible and that they rose and sang like the tides but mostly they were under water
[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and once he got into his head that he wanted out that stayed with him most of the time.
[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I did think it was interesting in one of his interviews he talked about Cameron and said you know
[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_01]: he that was one of his favorite players and he got a bad rap lessons and there's definitely
[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_01]: some things that remind me of Cameron and inflexibility is certainly one of them.
[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a specific kind of inflexibility. It's inflexibility because you know best
[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_02]: when the truth is someone like Kenny someone like Cameron was in desperate need of asking questions
[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_02]: because there's some people who would have answered that like it was so aggravating watching
[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_02]: when Kimo and T. Corre talk about we should pull in Kenny he's a loose number and then Kenny
[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_02]: doing everything in his ability to ensure that doesn't happen. Sometimes you don't even have to do anything
[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_02]: you have to not be self destructive but Kenny, Cameron they just don't have that in them. Yeah, yeah
[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_01]: All right well the fourth rule says players should not let their emotions control them and this is of course
[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_01]: a biggie because his emotional state completely overshadowed everything else about his game
[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and indeed a lot of the actions that we discussed in the first rule about him avoiding talking
[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_01]: strategy to people and like can be traced back to this rule. He simply could not get over missing his family
[00:39:18] [SPEAKER_01]: it turns out his emotional roller coaster started even earlier than we knew as he said in
[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_01]: an interview that he was upset when initially leaving to come on the show like his daughter was
[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_01]: basically like no I don't want you to go. Maybe his emotions at that point should have been a hint
[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_01]: but then he did okay the first week probably because of bonding with Matt and we saw how close
[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_01]: he became to Matt so quickly to the point that he wanted to sacrifice his game for Matt. As Quinn said
[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_01]: at that moment he had no in Matt for one week and I do think now the picture becomes a little clearer
[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_01]: putting on my amateur psychologist hat not that ten years of study or however long that you know
[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Tucker has done but I think he was basically leaning on Matt as a surrogate son like an emotional
[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_01]: crutch and then the house kicked that crutch out for Bunder. It took Cameron one week to like in
[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Riley to his daughter like maybe that's just having kids opens that possibility I could never really
[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_02]: understand it. I do want to remind you David I don't if you remember this you remember the one kind
[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_02]: of person Kenny did not want to work with going into the house is pregame press. I meant to look
[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_01]: up the pregame and I didn't I got to do that. I've got you covered don't worry okay. Kenny said
[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to work with the emotional players. Oh no I thought he said he did want to work with
[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_01]: the emotion. No we did not win one work with the emotional player. Kenny wants to get the emotional
[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_02]: players out of the house because they're unpredictable and he succeeded. Yeah it's just it is so
[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_02]: like funny because I think there's one thing I do appreciate about Kenny is I do think he's been
[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_02]: pretty self aware leaving the game in the sense of he said I didn't expect it to be this hard.
[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought I could handle it I could not handle it and I think that's the truth like as someone who's
[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_02]: been in there it is very very difficult and I was probably in a better position than Kenny
[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_02]: the entirety of the game so I can understand how difficult it is what surprises me is he's been
[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_02]: a fan for a good amount of time he's applied so many years it must be just like the way in which
[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_02]: he left his kids must have been nagging at him it's hard to get into his head but you know I don't
[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_01]: doubt his intentions. Yeah yeah getting back to after Matt left that's when the spiral really
[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_01]: started to show he has Chelsea to put him on the block he told players he wouldn't try for video
[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_01]: then when the camp came along he just couldn't help himself he wrote that emotional high for a
[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_01]: day or so before going back to normal and then by the time Patrick became a choice he volunteered
[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_01]: for the block again and then he talked about winning video in that music it on himself but then
[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_01]: when he and Tucker started working together he felt a bit better so you know we talked about
[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_01]: earlier when things were going his way he was okay when they weren't he was moaning and groaning about
[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_01]: wanting to go home and it was bad enough that of course the other players saw this
[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_01]: hardness and discussed it such as one time in an HOA trim gathering where Brooklyn noted
[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_01]: they all missed their families and it's disrespectful to people who applied to be on the show
[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and didn't make it Brooklyn was the voice of the people at Matt moment. Absolutely and I honestly
[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_02]: think it speaks a lot to your point that he only viewed the game as competitions because I think in
[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_02]: his head he wasn't throwing in the towel he wasn't quitting because he tried his hardest in the video
[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_02]: he tried his hardest in the AI arena he was not trying in the 24 hours surrounding all of these
[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_02]: competitions but to him that's like its own category as long as he's trying the competition
[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_02]: he's trying in big brother he's not quitting. But yeah I mean look I think Brooklyn really does
[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_02]: identify with the idea of being a married mother right and I think her and Kenny even connected
[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_02]: based on that so I think Brooklyn probably felt a type of way more than just about anybody else because
[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_02]: she truly does get it. Right. Where how could Sandra really? Yeah yeah okay I want to close out this
[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_01]: rule by mentioning one thing here I am patiently waiting to get the apology that I am owed from
[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_01]: all those people on Twitter and TikTok YouTube etc. Who insisted that Kenny was pretending to want
[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_01]: to go as part of his master plan and I mean if someone just thought that that's fine
[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_01]: but the people who argued with me and in some cases got really nasty about it I'm waiting
[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_02]: you could send your apologies this way. Oh are you asking for a apology from Felicia? Because she
[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_02]: was a massive advocate of this idea she and I responded like why is he taking it in the
[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_02]: dire room but and I say this is the biggest Felicia cannon stand out there. Yes.
[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Breeds were not always like her biggest strong suit and this I feel like falls into that category
[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_01]: of like it maybe a little bit misguided. I did respond to one of her tweets yesterday
[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_01]: where she said that and my response was just a gift saying oh stop it already. I mean if you
[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_01]: were still saying that yesterday come on. All right well we could go to the fifth rule which says
[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_01]: players need to pretend to be nice and play the social game. I would say Kenny was
[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_01]: mostly fine in this area nobody actively disliked him in the same way that somehow with Lisa
[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Matt Angela and now Tucker. In fact I think one reason that people were so willing to vote
[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_01]: him out was they felt a bit bad about keeping him because they knew his true feelings.
[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah he was a very likable dude I think there was a lot of issues with him forming like the
[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_02]: meaningful relationships but that's not really what this rule is always about like he was a very
[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_02]: amicable person if anyone in the house truly had a problem with him beyond the strategic stuff
[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_02]: he wouldn't have been immediately sent out the second he requested it. I think it's almost like a
[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_02]: testament to his I don't want to get ahead of myself is average social game that you've been
[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_01]: after he did. Yeah now with that said I will say he did a few things that you shouldn't do
[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_01]: such as getting angry when people were up late, talking one night last week after the half
[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_01]: end of the day. So of course they're good I mean people are up you know they're up late all the time
[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_01]: but especially after they have not sent you have to expect late nights coming into big brother kind
[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_01]: of like you have to expect scheming and you have to expect not being able to see your family
[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and becoming the grumpy old man yelling at kids to get off your lawn is not going to help you in
[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_02]: the game. Yeah just look at that everyone's seen him in Angela Angela came into the game actively
[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_02]: saying I'm going to stay up late and hang out with the kids Kenny had the opposite plan one is
[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_02]: going here one is not I don't know that's simple but you know right something yeah.
[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_01]: All right well the six whirlwinds against being too much of a threat and despite the fact that
[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Kenny kept saying he wanted to leave we also saw that he was on this roller coaster when it came
[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_01]: to challenges and you know as we discussed he often wanted to do well there. Do you think that
[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_02]: or any other aspects of his game made him a threat? I think he is run on big rip 26 almost single
[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_02]: handily proved the importance of this role. In the moments where he wanted to play the game all
[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_02]: the sudden he's a com-threat who's targeting the women he's a massive threat and everyone one
[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_02]: is a send-in home and the moment he started giving up and he doesn't want to win cops he's throwing
[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_02]: things everybody wants to keep him around so in this way his like greatest weakness was his biggest
[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_02]: strength like the fact that he wanted to quit lowered his threat level to such a degree
[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_02]: that people who knew Kenny was targeting them were considering keeping him. But ultimately as far
[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_02]: as Kenny the player who wanted to win the game I think he had horrible threat management. He was
[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_02]: a physical competitor he got second in almost every competition he didn't win and everyone knew
[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_01]: who his targets were. Yeah yeah I mean I think you you said it better than I was going to you know
[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_01]: but he was a threat in the house but it was offset because people knew he didn't want to be in the
[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_01]: house so it could go either way. I think the big question here and I was asked this several times
[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_01]: last night why did the rest of the players agree to a Vick Kenny instead of Quinn who is clearly a
[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_01]: threat and despite Kenny's answer to Sharon Thorpe about you know because I did so well in
[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_01]: cops that wasn't it there were a couple things at play here most importantly as Quinn said at the
[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_01]: end of Wednesday night's episode he's protected by having a lot of alliances as we discussed earlier
[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_01]: at least for now. And sure he was called out for but most of his allies still stuck by him again
[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_01]: at least for now. Another factor that I see is most of the players had agreed not to vote out
[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_01]: America's choice because in theory it could have been any of them. Now I can't remember for sure but
[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I suspect Quinn and a few others played a role in pushing this narrative and you know
[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_01]: presuming he did good for him in doing so but I also think part of it goes back to the house
[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_01]: agreeing not to target Sudricken Chelsea the first week when they were made into mascots because
[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_01]: people know how said oh that's not fair and similar arguments were made this week because they said
[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_01]: any one of them could be America's vote so it was only fair not to evict that person.
[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I agree this doesn't apply as much to the upgrades and downgrades at the start or
[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_02]: just the downgrades but I do think a lot of that conversation this week came from a place of fear
[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_02]: and despite what Tucker may say I don't think fear is a bad emotion it's a very real emotion
[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_02]: of the big brother house any of them could have gone up there and in the event that they did
[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_02]: get nominated they wanted to make sure that kind of rhetoric was voting around the house.
[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And the last thing I want to talk about when it comes to like threat management is
[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_02]: it may seem like perplexing based on your roles Quinn's the bigger threat but he said
[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_02]: at certain stages of the game being a bigger threat is good if you're on the block.
[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And Chad kept me around because my supposed threat level compared to the house gets
[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_02]: surrounded so yes it becomes a problem when you eventually get targeted or right now Quinn
[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_02]: is a shield for a lot of people in the house eventually I'm sure we'll talk about why
[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_02]: wins threat management was not good but today here and now it was all right.
[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and this gets back to you know again you know not this isn't why Tucker lost but
[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_01]: you know his whole attitude of you have to take out the biggest threats right away
[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_01]: no you don't because then you become the biggest threat.
[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah I mean that's a you know very good point that sometimes you want to keep them in
[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_01]: we could move to the seventh rule which says to trust almost nobody
[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Kenny probably did pretty well here because as we discussed back in the first rule he
[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_01]: didn't strategize with anybody and pretty much held himself apart from them all of course he
[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_01]: did end up getting in good with Tucker but even so he knew Tucker's foriboles and
[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_01]: talked in interviews about how he couldn't change Tucker's mind once it was made up about something
[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean there was the part where he did talk to the guys we talked about that in the second
[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_01]: rule about the alleged women's alliance so certainly he shouldn't have trusted them but
[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_01]: in general I really don't think we can describe most of his downfall to being overly trusty.
[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll get him a damaret for week one he was going to fall in a sort from Matt and Matt
[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_02]: exactly campaigning against him so I think that shows like if he was playing as hard as he could
[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_02]: this would have been a problem yeah it just so happens the circumstances of the season
[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_02]: we never really got to fully expose this week this is. Yeah all right well it's about time to
[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_01]: wrap things up unless you have anything that we missed in the rules otherwise what are your
[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_02]: final thoughts about Kenny? But as a player I want to be empathetic and as a fan I want to be so on
[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_02]: pathetic. I think he was a waste of a spot I wish him and his family nothing but the best
[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_02]: and I hope casting does better in the thing anything else or that sums it up. Oh I got.
[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_01]: All right well when I used to run my reality news online website I also had a couple of
[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_01]: offshoot websites one of them was the reality TV Hall of Shame. It featured shows players and moments
[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_01]: that deserve recognition for being truly terrible and let me tell you if I still ram that website
[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I would be inducting Kenny right now. Alas we can only do it in spirit. Kenny never should have
[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_01]: been on big brother. I understand missing your kids and family. I understand 90 days plus initial
[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_01]: sequestering is a long time but it seems like somehow Kenny didn't understand this he says he was a fan
[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_01]: has applied for years but somehow the reality of actually getting on the show never occurred to him.
[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He should have known what he was getting into and been ready to come and play the game.
[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Alternatively when he realized that he had screwed up by coming on he should just walk out the door
[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_01]: rather than taking the weak middle ground of telling others he didn't want to be there except
[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_01]: when he sometimes did. There are other aspects that tell me Kenny didn't really understand what
[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_01]: he was getting into like wanting to maintain his character and not lie or scheme. People like that
[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_01]: get under my skin no matter what show it is but there's simply no excuse for not understanding
[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_01]: what kind of game big brother is. It's one where my first rule for winning says to scheme and plot.
[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But Kenny didn't want that especially after the one person he chose to buddy up with got
[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_01]: the boot first. If there had been any thought he might actually play the game,
[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Matt's eviction squashed that in a hurry. After that he occasionally talked to some people about
[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_01]: his bad reads in the game but otherwise was mostly a non entity right up to the point he walked out the door.
[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Kenny let his game get almost entirely overcome by his emotion and what little of him was left
[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_01]: was sent in the wrong direction by his incorrect reads and simply not wanting to actually play
[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_01]: big brother. And that is why Kenny lost. Among other reasons. Yes, so much.
[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Matt and you summarize it as well as anyone. All right well before we continue into our spoiler free
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[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned that I do three or more yesterday I did five different videos per day and Rob about
[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_01]: fell out of his chair. You do how many? But meanwhile this is you know it's Rob he does that many podcasts.
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[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_01]: that what I've got going on. Okay well then we can move into our predictions and as I mentioned they
[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_01]: are spoiler free so like I wrote these up before we know the outcome of the HOH comp so people may be
[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_01]: listening to this and saying well he's already wrong or how did you get so right? I hope it's the latter
[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_01]: but yeah um do you want to go first or you want me to go first? I can go first because we're assuming
[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_02]: that Quinn is likely to use the Diving HOH so whoever wins HOH will essentially have immunity and
[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_02]: that is about it. I think the correct prediction for who's going to get a Vick did has to fall on
[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_02]: whoever's second most likely to be his target because clearly Tucker's going to be the main target
[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_02]: like he gets to try to win immunity in HOH assuming there's no back door he'll get my envito
[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_02]: and he'll get the AI arena. So I fully expect him to get one if not more of those because you might
[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_02]: win the Vito again and not use it. One if not more and whoever is second in line is likely to get
[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_01]: the boot my prediction right now I'm feeling MJ. Okay yeah my predictions very similar of course
[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_01]: it's a lot easier when you know who's going to be the HOH which you know until the AI arena we
[00:57:46] [SPEAKER_01]: often knew who was going to be HOH but um I think that his other nominees will be Angela
[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_01]: because she's an easy target and he's still pissed at her and then I can see him putting up
[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Rubina because of the pseudo showman's that she has going on with Tucker that TV viewers don't
[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_01]: know about yet although it did seem like Julie was sort of hinting at it a little bit
[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_01]: at various times which is surprising to me that Julie would even know something that wasn't on the show
[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_01]: but um so yeah I agree with you that he will probably manage to save himself
[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and then it's in my mind either Angela or Rubina. I think it's going to be Rubina I think they're
[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_01]: breakup duo because if they can't get Tucker at least they can get someone who's supporting.
[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I think that is the my second most likely option for me it's just if Quinn and
[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_02]: saidricly's people know MJ, Rubina and Angela they're all targeting them and JJ seems like the best
[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_02]: competitor but his house doesn't always operate off logic so let's write right.
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[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: With that anything else that you want to talk about or say I know I want to thank you for coming on
[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and you know pushing off your final exam to come here instead.
[01:00:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah look I mean anything to push off studying.
[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So you know honestly I think my main thought is I've been watching so many of these podcasts for
[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_02]: so long and it's so interesting being on them because it doesn't it's weird it's kind of like
[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_02]: watching myself on the show like I don't really see myself competing it just feels like I'm watching
[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: core eaters third person person competing so it's just a little bit surreal being here
[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: watching you know you know we talk about my game last year you think I'd be a little bit more
[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_01]: charitable. Glad to see that's not the case. I mean in all fairness we did have a situation where
[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_01]: it's hard to be charitable I think so yeah.
[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_01]: All right well I want to in addition to thanking you again for stepping in I'm pretty short notice
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