BB26 Why ___ Lost Week 10 | Big Brother 26

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[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Blah! Why __ Lost for Big Brother 26!

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I almost said why big brother lost. No, it's why __ Lost for Big Brother 26.

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm David Bloomberg and in my head, I'm currently doing a victory lap around my co-host, Ovi Kabeer.

[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I've been saying Angela had a 0% chance of winning and last week Ovi called her a front runner.

[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm also, you know, wearing this shirt as I may be wrong but it's highly unlikely.

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Get out of your system, David. Get out of your system.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I lost my winter pick last week and now unfortunately my basically secondary winter pick

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_01]: is gone as well. So it's been, it's been a hard week here and I, you know, I thought we survived it.

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I was excited watching that HOH competition, that double elimination and

[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_01]: nope, couldn't make it through but you know who believes Angela would have beat everybody?

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You know who that is, David? Angela.

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_00]: No, yes. Well, she says that but then she also said she would have been okay losing the chemo.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I know she came out screaming that she was a threat.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_00]: That's something we'll have to wait a little while to discuss.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But I appreciate in other ways the house finally coming to a decision early this week.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So I could plan out some of my notes for Leah ahead of time.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, that was more than offset by the fact that it was the double eviction

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and so we had no idea who would join her. So yeah, it didn't matter as usual.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_00]: We still had to just wait till the last minute to figure it out.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: We most definitely did and we have a lot of notes to cover this week because we got two people

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: who are, I can't say the biggest of games but different games and up and down trajectory.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. Yeah. With this being a double eviction, we have twice as much to discuss

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_00]: as we'll look at both how Leah and Angela did in the game by comparing how they played to my rules

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_00]: for winning Big Brother, which I originally wrote 20 years ago in 2004 and have modified ever since.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_00]: We will analyze both of them using what we saw on TV, live feeds, interviews and other information.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_00]: The most recent version of the rules is posted at robhaswebsite.com.

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I also think now is a good time to remind people, as we have to do occasionally,

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_00]: that we judge players on their actions, not how much we do or don't like them or certain fan bases

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_00]: do or don't like them. Spoiler alert, Leah and Angela did not play great games.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So we are going to have some negative things to say about them. If you're a fan of one

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_00]: or both of them, that's great. But us criticizing their games is a totally separate issue.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't be like the person on Twitter yesterday who literally I had never interacted with before

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and blocked me because I posted a link to the clip of me saying that I told you Angela had

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: zero percent chance of winning. Like this is my first interaction with this person

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and she's like I'm blocking you. I'm like okay, I don't know who you are so I don't care.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I like we're getting the cautionary warnings out of the way right here. I think I might be

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_01]: higher on some portions of the game but that's kind of how it goes with David and I.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm excited because I've been waiting as a player go home this year essentially a season

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_01]: where David can just drill in to go through rule by rule by rule. I think unfortunately

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: we might have finally got here. It took a couple weeks and it might have taken a double eviction but

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah it's tough because even when I'm scrounging for notes to find like some good things to say about

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: it you know it's going to be a harder week right here so I'm excited to hear what you got to say David.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and we'll get to that. We usually have some other things to discuss about the week in

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_00]: general and last week I started off by talking about how it seemed like Mackenzie finally had

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_00]: a glimmer of an understanding of what was going on in the game. Boy howdy did I speak too soon.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the words were even out of my mouth before she was already showing that

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_00]: she is what we thought she was. Chelsea's puppet all the way.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Most definitely. I have high hopes for Mackenzie too and then this week she basically did everything

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: you'd say you shouldn't do. I mean I wish she had production in here saying don't do this don't

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: do this because I could imagine she's a train wreck happening a train going straight and you

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: see the things it was a Titanic you see that iceberg and she had the ability to maneuver it

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and she says you know what this might not be even for my best my game it might not be best for

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: my teammates game but it's something I need to protect Chelsea and I'm like

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: but you're playing your game you're playing aren't you trying to win here I was confused

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: because I didn't think Chelsea had that level of mist you know how about Chelsea that she's able to

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_01]: can she does Mackenzie you but yeah like if you if you know if you gave me money to bet on

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: this week how it would have gone out it would not have been Mackenzie taking out

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: potentially her two closest allies of Angela. Yeah yeah yeah Chelsea definitely has a mist

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_00]: she has a different type of mist that I've noticed she it's a very slow working mist

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_00]: where she she plants the seed she waters the seed she fertilizes the seed often with BS

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_00]: she lets it grow she encourages it to grow sometimes she will even pretend she wasn't planting

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_00]: a seed where someone will say well I want to do this which is the opposite of what she wants to do

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_00]: and she'll be like okay but that's not really her agreeing it's just her avoiding the fight

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_00]: knowing that she can circle around later and drop those seeds in there and it usually works

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_00]: not always it didn't work you know when she wanted to save T for and it's a little slower so like

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_00]: she couldn't work it in the double eviction which didn't matter she didn't need to miss

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_00]: she was the HOH but she definitely has it and it's you know it it's amazing to watch as other

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_00]: people just throw their games away um but you also have Mackenzie who admitted on the live feeds

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm naive to a fault you know maybe you should fix that fault then but you know she said she

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_00]: came on the show uh to prove that she could make her own decisions and she did she made her own

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_00]: decisions right after Chelsea told her what her decisions were yeah it's so frustrating that's

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: the things I don't want to get away from Chelsea's like ability to this because it's impressive

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: she has been able to maneuver herself throughout the whole game and convince people to make

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_01]: moves that might not be the best for themselves I mean I think her relationship with Cam is a

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: perfect example where it's a very one-sided relationship where she's kind of watched out

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: for herself but ensure that Cam will watch over her because any move that Cam does that she did

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_01]: where she might leave him out of the boat he cannot do that to her so this instance with

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Mackenzie is impressive for sure but at the same time I'm like how much of the work is Mackenzie

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_01]: doing here to help her miss herself I mean oh yeah it's so frustrating because early game

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Mackenzie really wasn't completely in the steering wheel where she could kind of steer herself

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and her game forward we weren't sure what she was going to be able to do but she's found herself in

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: really good positions in this game now through her own ability to win competitions and

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: strategize with other people but then it's the execution of the part it's like you got the whole

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: you solve the problem you just need to put in the right answer and somehow she misses you know

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_01]: she finds somehow to make you know the most complicated equation and then gets the answer to be zero

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like what went wrong here what how do you not it's so frustrating because I actually want

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Mackenzie to actually do well and I wanted to actually be able to excel at her game

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: the feels right now Chelsea is just a juggernaut that doesn't have an opposition yeah yeah and you

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_00]: know it you're right it's a combination Chelsea is good other players like Mackenzie are not

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_00]: you know it was it was it was bad it was really really bad now the most interesting aspect of

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_00]: the situation with Mackenzie having been gas-lipped into believing the various things about Leah and

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_00]: treating them as if they were facts will be what she does when the show is over and she finds out

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_00]: will see she accept that she was fooled or will she find a way to double down

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_00]: I know in the past day or two she sort of almost started to realize what happened

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_00]: but I feel like it's just a temporary thing and Chelsea will pounce on her again to keep her thinking

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_00]: the way Chelsea wants to kind of like a cult leader you know and so I think what's going to

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: happen is she's going to get out of the house and people are going to say look this this and

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_00]: this happened and she's gonna be like no no no that's not really what happened you weren't there

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_00]: you don't understand much like Leah Leah herself we'll talk about it Leah was saying while in the house

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I made a mistake I should have gone after Chelsea last week and now that she's out

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_00]: she's saying no I don't take back anything that I did I made all the right moves and

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I would have gone to the end with Chelsea so I don't know what happened in between except that

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe you know she took a big whiff of Chelsea's mist on the way out I don't know

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure you don't know too I mean I think that was the thing I have felt probably the most

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: distraught about hoping that you have when we've talked about Lee and we'll talk about her a lot

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_01]: more as we go on the show but pre game when we did our analysis we talked about it and I said

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_01]: you know what I think she's gonna be one of those players that she kind of learns the

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_01]: game as it goes and then realizes okay this is how it should be played and maybe after post show

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_01]: you're like hey you know what I realized I didn't play this the right way or that way but I'm really

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: interested I'm interested in how the game could happen and this is what I should have probably done

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_01]: from all her interviews that does not seem the case it seems that she completely would 100% do

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: every single thing she did already in the game one time over because she thinks if she didn't

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_01]: change if she changed anything in the game it wouldn't have an impact which is like

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: absolutely insanity to my head to hear that but we'll get into that a little bit more.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I understand that in life you know people will say oh did you you know people will

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_00]: will say to someone well do you wish you had won instead of doing this and that someone

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_00]: might say well you know that way to change my whole life so I don't know same with me you

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_00]: know I look back and little things that I did just very small things you know like I got to know

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_00]: a particular particular person in at my college by gaming and because of him when I had to quickly

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_00]: find a job because my graduate funding was running out he suggested the place that he worked

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and because of that I ended up where I am I ended up you know with the kids that I have

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I you know all those things I ended up with the past 30 years of my life huge butterfly effect

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_00]: so I can see like someone saying for life well no I wouldn't want to go back and change yeah

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_00]: like work a different job or get a different degree or do this because who knows what would

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_00]: happen this was just the game that's not the whole thing but yeah will she got it to go back

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_00]: of the Chelsea missed that's what it was the go back in the Chelsea I need to see the animated now

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: so all right well we're gonna get to Leah in a minute here I didn't find anything in particular

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_00]: for our usual uh Julie being wrong segment as a matter of fact she was right about a lot

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_00]: of the things she said to Dalton which shocked the heck out of me I don't know what was going on

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_00]: but maybe she had AI answer for her or something like that

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah Ainsley took over her body again and answered to Dalton Ross that's what it was

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_00]: so before we get to the rules though I do want to mention that the survivor version comes in

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_00]: a shorter and much more colorful form as a poster you can go to robhiswebsite.com

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_00]: slash yxlostfeed scroll down to the poster click on it order it and it will be shipped out to you

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and in addition to the poster we have other ways you can get it you can get the poster image on a t-shirt

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_00]: because that way you don't have to carry the poster around with you everywhere you go

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and then you can get the checklist on a t-shirt so again you can go to robhiswebsite.com

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: slash yxlostfeed for that and speaking of survivor of course I did want to mention that

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_00]: I am doing still double duty uh Y blank lost for survivor started last week

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_00]: with special guest Jay cocaine and in a few hours I will be recording of course with Jessica again

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_00]: and special guest Lindsey Carmine so I will be yes yes with that

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Angela and Leah were essentially a duo in the house at this point

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and they went out within an hour of each other both thought they had other relationships too

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_00]: including the friend Leah thought she had in mckenzie what changed so drastically that

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Leah went from feeling completely safe to heading out the door and why was Angela the eternal pawn

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_00]: who was used time and time again to eliminate others finally sent packing in the quick turnaround

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_00]: of the double eviction what did both of them do in the early game especially to set themselves up

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_00]: for these evictions much later at rhap we know reality tv and we know why leah and Angela lost

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_00]: the first and most important rule is of course to scheme and plot

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_00]: except it wasn't for leah or rather she had no idea that was part of the game for at least

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_00]: like the first half of the season uh for weeks on end I literally forgot she was even in the

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: house sometimes as joseph told mike bloom leah didn't really talk game with anybody for the

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_00]: first half of the game and that was a lot of people's complaints about her so I was

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_00]: one of the only people who was feeding her information and giving her stuff now other than him

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_00]: though she just kind of went around the house being leah doing leah things uh she justified it by

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_00]: saying things like only fools rush to take sides you can read it in any book and then she would

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_00]: wonder why she was on the bottom for so long finally a little later she said I haven't committed

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_00]: to any alliance because they all keep getting blown up while also wondering how come nobody

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_00]: wants to work with me I'm cool I'm fun people should want to work with me I could also quote a number of

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_00]: things that other players said about her but they all point to the same issue to be blunt

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_00]: she truly had no clue now she wasn't the only one we talked about mckenzie she was right there

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_00]: with her which makes it somewhat amusing that mckenzie was the one who sent her packing

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_00]: but they're really two sides of the same coin leah didn't make any early alliances so she had

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_00]: nobody to fall back on once her later allies were voted out in large part due to her own mistakes

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_00]: and there was simply no way she was going to find a crack in the other alliances like

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: chelsea and cam or kimono and ravina because they'd been together for so long mckenzie

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_00]: similarly didn't make any early alliances but when someone finally did decide to make use of her

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_00]: she bought into everything they told her very much though and I think it's

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: very valid that you pointed out the fact that it was primarily her own doings that the allies

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: that she eventually got along with her were gone I mean we have to look at she was quite kind of

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_01]: lay low game in the beginning where it wasn't in much danger her strategy that she needed to

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_01]: strategize it was kind of just float on I mean she played a very good floater game in the beginning

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_01]: because she didn't have to worry about that and so someone like leah was able to kind of

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: focus on her social game as she strategized as she continued on without any worry about being

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_01]: targeted and so what we found out is that you know we didn't see much from her in the initial

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_01]: weeks but she didn't need to again the the countertute of that the opposite of that

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_01]: well if you're not working so hard in the beginning is how do you make those allies but for leah

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: actually it kind of lucked out she got strong allies to her side that through her own doings

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: it uh she didn't because I wonder too is that in the beginning of the game if because she didn't

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_01]: had to strategize as much that when Quinn and Joseph were at her side maybe she didn't realize

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: okay this is how I should play the game with them because she was playing still week one two

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_00]: three by the time it was right right yeah I mean she eventually learned at least somewhat that she

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: was playing a game but it was too little too late and she just wasn't very good at it um she like you

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_00]: said you know a lot of what happened to her allies was her own fault she couldn't find a crack in

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_00]: other alliances but she kept creating cracks in her own and you know this continued for a while

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_00]: looking back at my notes on august 13th she mentioned being scared because nobody was talking

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_00]: game with her on august 25th she finally had an epiphany and told t-core she just realized there's

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_00]: a large group controlling everything and telling others they're working with them but they're not

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_00]: on september 2nd she told chemo she was oblivious previously of alliances that were forming

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: around her she slowly started to catch on I mean like if she had been on survivor survivor would

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_00]: have been over by the time she even realized the game was being played that's true yeah no I mean

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I was gonna say you know you're exactly right in that regard I mean

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_01]: big brother is one of those games where you can have a little ability to

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_01]: mature into it because you have that hundred days to kind of get yourself ready in there other

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: games you don't so she was on the right game show forward you know it's kind of confusing because

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_01]: for me I thought in the beginning it was kind of more of an act where this act of playing oblivious

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_01]: you know I don't understand what's going on uh because it can I just interrupt I'm sorry yeah

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_00]: go for it go for it this seems to be and this is uh not a direct criticism of you but I think

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_00]: you fell prey to the big brother fandom here so many people want to think highly of the people on

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: big brother I mean I want to think highly of it too that they ascribe to them this like super genius

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_00]: mentality where there's no evidence of it like oh there's no possible way this person could be that

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_00]: bad that must be an act you know I mean people are still saying that about cam and his comps

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and everything else it's like no no no it is not an act okay there there is no evidence that any of

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_00]: this is an act if they are not telling us in camera talks or in diary rooms that it is an act

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_01]: then it is not an act sorry I know I'm glad you threw that you you definitely fed some people

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: who've been waiting to hear something like that they're happy they're on your side David

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_01]: our viewers a lot of them at other viewers be like all right hold up hold up uh for me I think

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_01]: that I always again I'm probably too much faith in the system right and this thing but I always think

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_01]: once they're cast on there has to be something that brought them on there and hoping that you know

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_01]: the new casting with it going on we want some form of strategy they saw Leah that she might have

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_01]: had some sort of strategy where I want to play a lay low game because the issue is the game was

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of I don't mean it's a it was handed to her in a lot of ways her strategy was handed to

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_01]: her allies were handed to her she didn't have to work we had Quinn and Joseph two mega super

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_01]: fans who love this game willing to throw their bodies under a railroad track just for the glimmer

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_01]: to see Leah for two minutes through the crack of a window all right just to see her outside in the

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_01]: sun that's what they would do for their game just float all away and she didn't work for it she's

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_01]: like you know I actually toss you into the trash can she put them on the block we saw the

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_01]: all that and for me she was lined up perfect and then even when she wanted to wait she was

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_01]: lined up perfectly in a position where she was now be finally between two big alliances now maybe

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_01]: she should figure out a way to work with one side and not revolve against the other side in the next

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_01]: week what does she do doesn't do any of that um she just it focuses to help both of them instead

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_01]: of herself I mean it's complete travesty the way she played again but maybe you're right

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_00]: David maybe we have too much faith in these players well yeah I mean like I said when she

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_00]: started to play finally she was just bad uh you know she vetoed Angela against Quinn's wishes like

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_00]: you said she had two super fans giving her advice and she's like nah I'm gonna do what I want and

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_00]: she didn't even tell him ahead of time even though she knew he was planning to nominate Joseph as

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_00]: replacement if necessary and yes we already gave him his big chunk of the blame for doing it

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_00]: but she knocked down that first domino all because it was her first taste of having power and she just

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_00]: had to use it and then as she continued to play she still was hesitant about doing the right thing

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_00]: you know Chelsea recently said Leah was upset that nobody wanted to bring her into an alliance

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_00]: but noted it goes both ways make your own alliance of course by that time it was too late

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know like Chelsea had knocked out too close to that alliance but um but you know speaking of too

[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_00]: late even this week when she had been nominated she waited until five o'clock Wednesday evening to even

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_00]: talk to Cam about his vote and I know that time which normally I wouldn't take note of necessarily

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_00]: this specific time because he called her out on it he was like really this is the time that you're

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_00]: waiting to talk to me and she made an excuse while I had bad time management but he was like no

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_00]: it wasn't time management it was your choice to talk to Mackenzie Chelsea Angela and not him

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_00]: now was he ever changing his mind and keeping her no okay because Chelsea didn't tell him he

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_00]: quit but she certainly wasn't going to convince him by ignoring him no she wasn't and I mean

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_01]: it's one of those things where it was especially with Cam too she had some form relationship

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_01]: was in the game with him earlier in the house like just kind of just let the wind take her

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and see how it go I think that was my frustration watching her in a game I mean the best way to

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_01]: encapsulate it is when Quinn he was on his knees begging her please please don't use the veto please

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm begging you on my knees that's how I felt as a viewer and probably the fans felt for Leah please

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: use strategy please Leah please just just do something do whatever your brain is to get

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_01]: through the opposite of it just for once just take the autonomy that you have in the game

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and try to do something that will benefit your own game without destroying the allies around you

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_00]: wasn't that a George Costanza thing in Seinfeld like he realized he always made the wrong decision

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: so he started to be opposite of what he thought was right that uh that's what I do with my bets I

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_01]: always know I'm gonna lose a bet if I do on the team so I just do the opposite somehow

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_01]: there you go exactly uh that's the way it felt for her truly yeah and the thing is I mean

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_00]: even when she was voted out and Julie asked who she planned to go to the end with she said I

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_00]: never really like to plan that far ahead or make final threes really really you are at final seven

[00:25:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and you didn't plan for a final three or to plan that far ahead two weeks this game only lasts

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_00]: another like two weeks in two days or something at this point and that's considered planning far ahead

[00:25:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I wish I could say I was surprised but it completely fits yeah I'm going to get all the

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: capsules you know again I don't like to rag on people for like their exit speeches because I know

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a lot of stress on there's a lot of feelings there but I mean there was I think that

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of showcased her game it was just an inability to explain herself why she should be here

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and what she was doing when she also had an advantage over the people you know she

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_01]: she could have spun a very good narrative why she should in her position stay over Angela

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I think she could have convinced other people but she was unable to do that and also like

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_01]: you said she waited way too long in all cases to do such a thing yeah yeah she she did have a chance

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_00]: a couple times to do some real playing to make a mark better her position last week when she was

[00:26:11] [SPEAKER_00]: hoh she was sitting between the two trios she could have gone after either one or put up

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_00]: someone from both now in our yt core lost podcast I noted that different people had

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_00]: different takes on whether or not she made the right decision and it was certainly worth a

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_00]: debate but at the time it seemed like t-cores trio was the more solid one because there was a bit of

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_00]: squabbling among the Chelsea cam Mackenzie group and plus let's face it Leah just liked Mackenzie

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_00]: more and thought she'd stay on her good side by protecting them the same way Quinn had previously

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_00]: protected the oh oh wait no when Quinn protected them they voted him out the next week oh yeah

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe she should have learned something from that but anyway um nominating both t-core

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and Chelsea would have been the best move because it would have caused the opposing factions to

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_00]: actually square off with one another but she took the easy route and left Chelsea fully in power

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_00]: just as Mackenzie was at fault this week for listening to and following Chelsea

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Leah was last week and I was going to say she only realized it after it was too late

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_00]: as she would later say I should have seen it I should never have sent t-core home it's a hundred

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_00]: percent my fault but then just when I thought oh wow it was it was finally starting to dawn on her

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_00]: she got that to go back of mist and her interviews were truly astonishing because

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_00]: even though we saw her acknowledge that she did the wrong thing and by the way that acknowledgement

[00:27:45] [SPEAKER_00]: we'll talk about this later hurt her also but we saw her acknowledge it and she got voted out

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_00]: she is now rationalizing and justifying everything to herself saying that if she'd stayed she would

[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_00]: have stayed loyal to Chelsea Cam and Mackenzie and she thought that she had a chance to beat

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Chelsea at the end. No, that's just to think of that I just the idea I mean here's something

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe there's some other players in the house too and just because of voting they you know they have an

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_01]: idea they can beat Chelsea and maybe they can and some shape or form a Chelsea right now the idea

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_01]: that she is somebody to drag to the end or you can easily be it's just laughable I mean she is

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_01]: the one player who actually can talk about her game and she has played a wonderful game in itself

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: too. Again has it been helped by her cast members for their inability to play certain

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_01]: things yes well that's every you can't blame Chelsea for that she plays with the hand she's given

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I mean in total I think Leah's game was missing the game element I mean for her to get as far as

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_01]: she did is impressive but also at the same time like we said we had players throwing themselves at her

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_01]: to actually just utilize them and she did utilize them she literally used them as a match and burnt

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_01]: them up and went home and what hurts me the most is I think you have to be committed

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: one way or the other it's kind of when you're driving that's sorry the viewers know when

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: you're driving a car an analogy of a car you see on the GPS you're supposed to just ride but you're

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_01]: already far in there now do you take the lane over to the right and cut off somebody in crash no

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_01]: you just go straight and figure out a way to turn around eventually you know sometimes you have to

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_01]: commit it when she committed the telling Rubina and um that chemo that hey I think Chelsea's

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_01]: the person I need we really need to go after that but then completely walks that back when

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_01]: she's found out she needs to either lean into it with them like hey you threw me out to

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: but I still want to work with you or the other way when she already is going against T-core

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_01]: lean into the commitment like all right we need to get Rubina and chemo out next to we have that

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: vote right there singing and Jerry if we don't get all three of them out there that's two votes

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_01]: going to one of them no matter what yeah she kept flip floppy and playing that middle just in a

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_00]: very bad way yeah all right well I think we've beaten up on Leah's game enough let's switch

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_00]: over to doing a tangela um because she had very different problems with this rule uh she

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_00]: was certainly playing the game from the very beginning it's just that she was bad from the

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_00]: start rather than waiting till later to become bad um now Angela was of course the first HOH

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and I originally thought she'd last approximately one week after that uh because she of course

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_00]: lost her mind uh you know I remember in the why matt lost podcast I said well I don't want

[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_00]: to talk too much about Angela in the intro part because I have a feeling we'll be talking

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_00]: about her next week and here we are many weeks later finally um but you know at the time I mentioned

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_00]: that some players get HOH I this but Angela got HOH anoya and you know we can never forget crazy eyes

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_00]: that will be something that lives with us forever and her believing that everyone was acting in

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: a low budget movie as late as mid august maybe even still today Angela still thought the collective

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_00]: was a fake alliance and everyone was lying to her now as it turned out she also had massive paranoia

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_00]: even when she wasn't HOH and frequently invented things in her head that just weren't happening

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_00]: in our preview podcast I said Angela was saying she was going to rely on her supposed

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_00]: detecting abilities and I thought she would be too trusting because they wouldn't work

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_00]: turns out they were the opposite she relied on them but they were always detecting lives and

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_00]: plots and conspiracies to the point that she was overly paranoid about every conversation that

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_00]: went on in the house leading her to turn on allies left and right until she finally settled down

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_00]: very late in the game she would be on the outs get pulled in by someone for one reason or

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_00]: another and then turn on them as Quinn said about Angela she's with you until she convinces herself

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_01]: that you're the problem yeah Angela I mean man we're probably one of the most entertaining big

[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_01]: brother players we've had thus far for a very long time but we're not evaluating her on her

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: entertaining values we're entertaining uh evaluating her on her game and Angela's game

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_01]: was all over the place it was one of those anomaly ones where you know again I do

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_01]: think she built up her equity near the end where I was like hmm okay I do see her as a front runner

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and I still would argue that if she finds a way to the final two I think she has

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_00]: we'll talk about that later but yeah I mean you can you know you can say it all you want

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_01]: that won't make it true you know but game why it's a way she strategies in this game

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_01]: was very interesting I think I'd liken it as I wrote down as a hyena she would really be

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_01]: try to find a path however she could she would eat off her own leg though she didn't take

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_01]: escape any damage it was every ally was in danger weekend and week out I mean she was

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_01]: you know truly a Russian roulette where you don't know when the bull is going there

[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_01]: there's one in the chamber and there's six of us like she's clicking click and click oh

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_01]: actually it's my ally I'll still shoot it off I mean the way she played was

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_01]: here parent and we say HOH I guess she just had big brother I guess every week whether she was

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_01]: power not power she found a way to stress herself out and it's impressive that she was able to

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_01]: navigate the game with this level of you know paranoia where she made weeks where she wasn't

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: even a target her becoming kind of a target because they're like you know what I don't really

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_01]: want to run I'm scared she's she's yes you know I think her ability to kind of do that consistently

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_01]: made it so that the other players around her judged her on that they didn't think much of it

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_01]: because she did all that was a new normal so in a way her strategy of being completely paranoia

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_01]: almost let it be like it's kind of like I liken it to the crazy uncle at the table

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_01]: we're gonna say some crazy things out there and it's because it's something like oh all right

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_01]: basically just like let's just get through it we're not there but it's like a one-off thing or a

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_01]: random person you're like hmm that's strange again you let some stuff pass and I think you love that

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_01]: the house guests let that pass with Anshil with her strategy yeah I mean I will say this you know

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_00]: unlike Leah she was trying every time she was on the block she was campaign hard for herself

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah and now her own campaigning was rarely if ever the reason she was actually saved but

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_00]: at least she was trying in comparison to people like Leah or Rubina or Kimo in particular who would

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_00]: just be sitting there on the block saying ksara sara whatever will be will be

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_00]: and she was forceful in other gameways too such as when she heard Tucker and company talking and

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_00]: just decided she was going to force them to bring her into the alliance so she marched right

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_00]: in and said I want to be in your group even if I'm just on the bottom and then of course later

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_00]: complained about being on the bottom you know but again like I said like you said she was paranoid

[00:35:12] [SPEAKER_00]: she was delusional uh she a perfect example was in her goodbye message to Joseph where she said

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_00]: she knew he had been behind Quinn's decision to nominate her and Joseph being honest and

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_00]: blunt type of guy that he is he's sitting there going um no I had nothing to do with that

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_00]: he then told Mike bloom that her saying she knew that was crazy quote you don't know anything

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_00]: that's going on and he added to entertainment weekly that's just been her the whole season

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_00]: she just takes little things and recontextualizes it in her own way she's super delusional as

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: far as the game goes yeah I mean we have been getting hints from all the players as they've

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_01]: left good thing is is that the people in the jury though I think was feeling some sort of way

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_00]: about Angela well they're feeling I'm sort of away it's just a good way exactly I'm interested

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_01]: to see how she will be in the jury house itself would just be mixed around with all

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_01]: but I thought what was interesting too was that how she was able to get people to trust

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: her via her game I think that was impressive to me with she turned on them but to get Tucker

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_01]: for example at her side the way she was playing and I think people knew Angela was a bulldog in the

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_01]: sense of that you know and I like until high enough early but like somebody who just keep on trying

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_01]: wouldn't roll over and I think certain allies in the house appreciated that so it was tough

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_01]: because it was like would you rather have an ally right who does nothing uh just floats around

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of like into Lee unfortunately or would you have Angela on that exact different spectrum

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: where they don't just stop crying is keep on going whether to that demand third game or your game

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: one or the other which is kind of interesting when you think we have such a parallel between

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Leah and Angela yeah ended up trying to be the close allies right at the end

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah I just yeah I don't know I you did mention the jury house this has nothing to do with

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_00]: this rule or any other rule but I was thinking about you know Quinn he's sitting there waiting

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_00]: at the jury house waiting twiddling his thumbs and he's gonna see Leah walk in he's gonna be like

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_00]: yes yes Leah I get to spend time with Leah and then the other car is gonna pull up and it's Angela

[00:37:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and he's just gonna crash right there no I already can imagine there's gonna be a segment of the

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_01]: jury where it's like Leah and Quinn trying to get some alone time just to chat and whatever

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and then it says Angela hey guys hey guys like yeah no alone time at all yeah it's truly sad for Quinn

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_01]: because he could have thought just if it wasn't double-dictionist him and Leah they're spending

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_01]: bonding time but no it's it's a party it's three of them now yes um so getting back to Angela

[00:38:03] [SPEAKER_00]: twice in a row she was left out of the majority and voted to evict chemo when of course chemo

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_00]: state now at least the second time was on purpose because Mackenzie talked about how she wasn't going

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_00]: to tell uh Angela how to vote in order to expose the fact that she really wasn't part of the

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_00]: group making decisions as cam said when Angela played her own game she sank herself it was other

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_00]: people who kept her game going which is something I'll get to more when we get to the sixth

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_00]: rule in talking about Leah and Angela in this rule there were clearly a lot of differences

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: but there were some major similarities and I think the primary one was as we already talked about

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_00]: with Leah they were both completely outplayed mostly by Chelsea yeah I mean they had that handshake

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_01]: together now will we miss it by Chelsea yes I mean they were both thinking that she was

[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_01]: allied thought the most of them I think they forgot too that when you are playing both sides

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_01]: you're unreliable with your play staff or certain players like Chelsea that's a that's an issue you

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_01]: know that's uh and we'll talk more about being threat wise in there but for them your strategy

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_01]: is who you are right doesn't matter how good you are like as a person in the house how you're

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_01]: caring especially later in the game is how you play the game how can we trust how you

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_01]: voted can we trust that you could strategize this can we trust that you won't blab your mouth

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_01]: about everything with us and so unfortunately both of them didn't have both accounts of that

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Angela more so but at some point there's always so many checks you can write and in that house

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_01]: from the very beginning from week one is set the tone of how Angela is going to play I mean

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_01]: it's confrontational to the point where at some point you know the strategy gets aligned

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_01]: with that you don't want to work with that so I mean actually now it's their issue and again

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_01]: they're both on each end of the spectrum but somehow if you said David they have similarities where

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_00]: it put people off in the way they play. All right well we can move to the second rule which

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_00]: says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret. Leah mostly just

[00:40:18] [SPEAKER_00]: schemed and plotted poorly as we discussed rather than too much but there were times where she

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_00]: crossed that line for example while Chelsea had been pushing for Mackenzie to nominate and evict Leah

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_00]: all week and I think she would have succeeded in convincing Mackenzie anyway Leah gave her some

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_00]: ammunition to help her along and it was specifically something we mentioned already she told Rubina

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_00]: about how she regrets not making a bigger move when she was HOH last week and even brought up

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Chelsea's name. I have no idea why she believed she could trust anyone in the house with this

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_00]: information but especially Rubina who had just lost her closest ally thanks to Leah and who had her

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_00]: other closest ally on the block at the time that this was said. For me I think the only way I can

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: make sense of her feeling like that because I don't think there really is a world would

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_01]: is just the way because we perceive things with our own perspective our own POV and her POV for her

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_01]: was well you know what Chelsea did take out my allies they went back home Joseph went home

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Queen went home and I still have to work with them it is what it is because I don't think she

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_01]: valued like I mean we talked about if you value your allies truly you wouldn't put them in that

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_01]: position right I don't even think it was just a game idea where she didn't value them as players

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_01]: in the game like she didn't look at it the game like that so because of that I think she

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe viewed Rubina in that same light where all right well Tiko went home but like it is what it is

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_01]: she's still here so we could still work together again it doesn't still make sense and this is

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of the biggest downfall that we can directly showcase of this week where talking a little bit

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_01]: too much does not help you out here she was not able to scheme in the right way that was

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_01]: just kind of level headed and again I think that I was frustrated with the lack of urgency

[00:42:10] [SPEAKER_01]: it felt this week or the way was at least portrayed but we saw it becoming last minute

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_01]: last minute Mackenzie being her closest ally this is something you try to tackle beforehand

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_01]: even talking with Angela and her trying to figure out like maybe we should both try something else

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_01]: above because we talked to Mackenzie like hey we are a strong trio no no no no no

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_00]: it's way too soon to be talking about final please come on don't get crazy yeah that's

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_01]: true you're probably maybe the math last night or maybe when your final two when you're sitting

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_00]: next to me talk yeah yeah that would be a good time yeah maybe the jury house yeah yeah they could

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_00]: talk about there they could be like we're the final final jurors you know final jurors yeah

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah other conversations that Leah supposedly had in the in the house

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_00]: you know people were saying one thing or another that she was telling them things that she

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_00]: shouldn't and it was it gave just enough for Mackenzie to question her loyalty

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_00]: and there was even discussion of her veto usage as a mark against her for only caring about herself

[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_00]: when her closest ally told her not to do it if Leah could blindside her number one then she could

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_00]: do that to anyone hint hint nudge nudge uh Mackenzie um not to mention yeah earlier in the game

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_00]: she couldn't keep her mouth closed about Quinn throwing him under the bus multiple times all those

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_00]: bad moves stuck in the back of the mind of certain people and they came back to haunt her because

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_01]: they were seen as over scheming with allies like Leah who needs enemies you know I literally

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_01]: we talked to deaths about this but for me Leah was the biggest frustrating point for like when Quinn

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_01]: went home when uh even though you know I was like uh David's winter pick is gone the summer king

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Quinn is gone but for him and Joseph both of them I mean again they have definitely

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_01]: things they could have done themselves but when you have your closest ally especially when they're

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_01]: in hour and different occasions you would never assume that they would either thwart your own

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_01]: HOH or also on their HOH basically send you home frustrating it's it's crazy to think about all

[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_01]: how she misplayed that but yeah I mean it's completely she was anytime she tried to do

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_01]: something it didn't work I mean the one part we were like hopefully she can get this to get her

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_01]: strategy was to win that veto competition that she needed to act with the janky veto and then maybe

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_01]: make a move but she wasn't able to do that at that point you let that to rest you don't bring

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_00]: that to me and I'm still not sure if she wasn't able to or she wasn't trying that still isn't

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_00]: clear to me I think she said well I know she said contradictory things so yeah um now

[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_00]: going back to the Quinn stuff which particularly funny about them using that against her is that we

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_00]: of course discussed how Quinn was evicted in part because of his obvious duo with her and I would add

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_00]: that Leah kept making obvious duos you know she had the one with Quinn then she had one with Angela

[00:45:17] [SPEAKER_00]: which was also part of the discussion to convince Mackenzie to flip on her because others hammered

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_00]: the idea that oh Leah's always going to choose Angela over you and you know part of that Quinn had

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_00]: predicted if you veto her people are going to associate the two of you yeah I mean over and over again

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_01]: it was trying to get that information that what she was hearing and actually make it work into

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_01]: something that would be useful it was just difficult whether it's miscommunication

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_01]: mistranslation or it was just I wanted to go to one ear in the other it all these factors

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_01]: playing itself that she found a way to be consistent in one thing and make the wrong

[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_01]: move that was what it was she was consistently making the long move and I almost wish there

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_01]: was certain cases where she did overplay earlier than we because then I think she could have had

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_01]: to try to rectify things but like we said she started playing the game the first two three weeks

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_01]: in the final weeks that she was still there right you know you can't do that

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_01]: and so at that point you don't have a chance to learn from your mistakes and rectify it

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_01]: because your first few mistakes you start making more so catch up to you a lot more now

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah yeah meanwhile we had Angela and she was over scheming from the get go as part of her

[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_00]: paranoia there are many examples of her saying and doing things she shouldn't have in this regard

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_00]: but let's stick to a few highlights for example she revealed Quinn's power when there really

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_00]: wasn't a good reason to do so he had stupidly confided in her but she could have found a

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_00]: way to use that information to her advantage and instead she you know played this little game where

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_00]: she revealed it while acting like she wasn't as if she could somehow keep the moral high ground

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_00]: that she was like hinting to Tucker and trying to lead him on and it reminded me I may have used

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_00]: this example before but it reminded me of my old Sunday school teacher who would say things like

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_00]: the person no in trouble knows who they are I won't mention their name fourth seat in the third row

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_00]: you know I mean that was the kind of game she was playing like I won't say who has it but he has

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_00]: long curly hair and you know come on um but even funnier was the Tucker didn't believe her

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_00]: because she was already not a reliable source at that point yeah I mean first of all were you

[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_01]: long curly hair are we saying David Bloomberg back in the day had the long curly hair no I never had

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_01]: long hair I need a photo I need a photo right there Quinn is long curly hair I may have been the

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_00]: one in the fourth seat in the third row who the Sunday school teacher was talking about but

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_01]: funny um no but you completely hit it on the nail I mean the way she continuously did a little

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_01]: too much and a little more and more and the crazy thing was people started expecting that

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_01]: they're like they knew how Angel was going to react so let's try to not have her react as much

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_01]: give her the benefit that she's find a way to exceed that I mean it goes from week one where

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_01]: we love it as viewers but we thought hey just sending you home soon enough that huge

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_01]: monologue gets Matt I mean making a I think we can say retroactively looking back at a you

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_01]: know a mountain out of an ankle but yeah it's something not big and she we weren't sure

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_01]: really what happened because initially that week but now I think looking at all her actions were

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_01]: like okay that's kind of her m o that is her way of gas sliding people around her to make them

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_01]: feel like they're in the wrong but I think when people catch on that then it completes completely

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_01]: blows up in your own face which we consistently saw her do anytime she tried to scheme

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_01]: wasn't scheming right she's over scheme she the over paranoia I mean it made everyone

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_01]: distrust her to the point where any plans that she tried input would not work yeah I

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_00]: mean we already discussed how someone would bring Angela into the fold and she turned on them

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_00]: and a lot of that was over scheming and backstabbing without a good reason well without a real reason

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_00]: the reasons were all in her head if she saw you whispering she assumed it was about her

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and therefore turned on you at the first opportunity and this became one of the primary

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_00]: reasons that Angela was the eternal pawn Kimo said to T-core early in the game keeping

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Angela is not a bad idea she could just professionally be on the block and T-core continued the thought by

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_00]: adding as punishment for all the ruckus she's caused separately T-core told Joseph sorry girl

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_00]: you're a pawn this season it could have been different if you just came from Matt but you

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_01]: came for everyone and she did and I think yeah we see that becoming the full downfall this

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_01]: last week where it was Mackenzie right and being in that hot seat well she didn't go home on

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Mackenzie's one but it was very close to being it Mackenzie being somebody who's her ally somebody

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_01]: she's really close with but I think the way Angela treated all her other allies I mean Tuck is a

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_01]: perfect example of it where he stuck his neck out for her said he's gonna choose her but she

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_01]: couldn't even believe that would actually be the case that she's not her true final two so

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_01]: basically in like final well final 10 yeah she's like I need to cut you any of her allies seeing how

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_01]: much Tucker took to go with that for her like hmm you know I gotta keep that in my head my friend

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_00]: this week my enemy next week except for they didn't they kept doing it Leah did it and Mackenzie

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_00]: did it you know they did the same exact thing um I will say that Angela seemed to calm down a

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_00]: little bit in her final couple weeks you know after going through it all you know with Leah and Quinn

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know she was still spilling information Cam told Chelsea and Mackenzie that when he talked to

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Angela last week she immediately said out of nowhere I'm not working with Leah or chemo

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_00]: and he says I didn't even ask anything which totally I believe because it's Cam he doesn't

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_00]: um he said she was giving her game away to me it reminded me of like walking up to a little kid

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and the kid suddenly saying um I didn't take a cookie you're like hmm I better go count the

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_01]: number of cookies because I didn't even think about that yeah no uh truly I mean she ensured

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_01]: people would feel some sort of way to distrust her even if they didn't in that moment and I

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_01]: think that we see this like you said it got better as the weeks went on right but even then it just

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_01]: you only have so when it gets a lot less people in the house you have a lot less ability to kind of

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_01]: change your opinion on you because you've had so much time and cemented and for her she kind of

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_01]: ran out of time for that I mean I think she was a definition of don't backstab if you don't need

[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_01]: to what she always did she backstabbed anytime um like she could she had to change she reveled

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_01]: the fact and I think that's the thing where we talk about I think we mentioned this about when

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_01]: before at his downfall being kind of that he played that character he reveled into the moment of like

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_01]: right all right because I'm a big brother I want to play as much as I can you know if I'm the

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_01]: villain I'm the villain for Angela I think which is great I think she felt so satisfied

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_01]: that she got so far in the game and it was like I love what I've been able to do but I think

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_01]: at some point I wish it kind of dialed back for her to be like all right I've experienced this

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I done I did this now let's win this right because the way she was acting again when I give her a

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_01]: little bit more equity than David does I do think it's odds are it's a very untenable which we did

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_01]: see untenable way to win the game you need to bring it back a little bit or a lot of it yes

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_00]: all right we can go to the third rule which talks about the need to be flexible how do you

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_01]: think Leah did here so with Leah I think she was flexible actually I agree that she was flexible

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_01]: flexible in the fact that she was too flexible she had no backbone in the mode and think she

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_01]: had to do I mean I think because when we talk about flexibility I would say you have to be

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_01]: challenged and when some shape or form to see how you are that's my common thing and being

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_01]: David go back and forth on it I think in this case she was challenging it would she

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_01]: try to put up Joseph would she the bail on Quinn for a veto use and she did each way but it was

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_01]: the wrong decision if she was less flexible she's one character we put T-core who was a brick of

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_01]: flexibility and Leah who was literally just any motion is those things that are outside of a

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_01]: car dealership that waived her hands with air going on it she put them together and you

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_01]: have a great player in this category but yeah no I think unfortunately she kind of went with

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_01]: whatever the wind hit her with and she was unable to make concrete moves because

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_01]: none of her moves were her own it was other people yeah I feel like I'm gonna disagree

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_00]: with you somewhat on this okay let's hear it this was a little bit more difficult for me to address

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_00]: because you know my process is I take notes all season long and then when the person loses I

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_00]: go through and I pull those notes and I put them into their appropriate places

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_00]: when I did that this rule was blank for her because for most of her games she wasn't really playing

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_00]: so flexibility wasn't even an issue but then when she decided to play she went all the way to

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_00]: playing the way she wanted to now the prime example was vetoing Angela after Quinn had explained

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_00]: to her multiple times why it was a bad idea there was no flexibility there she got power

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_00]: she wanted to use it that was it then she focused on just the people

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_00]: that she wanted to focus on instead of looking at the house as a whole you know we've discussed

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_00]: some of these issues already but her assuming that Mackenzie would be on her side forever

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_00]: is a good example because it didn't allow her to see what was actually going on

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_00]: another example is what we talked about with not bothering to you know chat with Cam this

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_00]: week until late Wednesday because he just wasn't someone she thought about

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_00]: she talked to who she wanted to talk to and the game didn't really matter

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I think in that regard you're not wrong or off base in that I mean it's one of those

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_01]: things where I guess when she did start playing the game she didn't move away when like she

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_01]: wanted to play selfishly for herself so even though if it was wrong in a sense of because

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_01]: usually I say it's good to play selfishly yourself but I think the issue was is that

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_01]: her move for wrong her her intuition was wrong and she didn't trust her allies in that one

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_01]: so I guess we judge it on that for sure I do think though yeah I mean I mean my my

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_01]: agreement that she was so flexible it was bad either way she did she got a bad

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_00]: F-grade each of our categories right there all right so what do you think of Angela for this rule

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Angela ones is a bit of a confusing person on here because I do think being a player the way she was

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and I don't want to liken her to this player at all because I don't think it's right but

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_01]: the idea of how Taylor Hale was on the block multiple times and found a way to manage to get

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_01]: herself off or work her way around it um had a little Angela had a little Taylor asked in that

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_01]: version how she did that oh very different was very different no hold on it say with me the

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_01]: viewers don't dislike the video yet don't boom me yet okay hear me out hear me out

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I think because when we saw how Taylor played the game right and she definitely

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_01]: managed it was much more flexible in the way she was able to operate that I felt I appreciated Angela

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_01]: being able to work with different players when she was put on the block by them everyone put her on

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_01]: the block no and she was angry at them in ways but I found she still tried a way to work with it

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_01]: to whether to work with this alliance that alliance I felt like Angela maneuvered herself

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_01]: sometimes too much but she did in a way where I think much lesser players or other players would

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_01]: have gone home before her because they wouldn't have the inability to pivot the way she did

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah I mean my thing is you know at one point Chelsea actually told her you know I'm that

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_00]: you're the Taylor Hale of this season and it's like she was clearly just fluffing her up

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_00]: you know there's no way anyone would believe that and but there have been people who said oh

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_00]: you know she was on the block and take it off you know and and you know one person when I said

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_00]: she had zero percent chance to win one person had responded to me and said did you think Taylor

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_00]: could win and I was like yeah that's two very different situations but I guess you could say

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_00]: that Angela was incredibly flexible and that she was bouncing all over the place

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_00]: but that would imply some amount of actual strategy involved when it was

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_00]: really more just her paranoia um maybe it's best to say reality was flexible in Angela's world

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_01]: that I'll give you that one POV the reality her perspective was reality in the big one

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and the viewers got to see all right well we go to the fourth rule which says players

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_00]: should not let their emotions control them but it's clear that both Leah and Angela were

[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_00]: perfect gamebots who never allowed emotion to cloud their judgment one bit right

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_01]: exactly I just you know who needs you know Ainsley when we have two robot AIs in these players

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah perfect okay maybe not um starting with Leah we've already mentioned a few times how much of

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_00]: her game didn't involve any strategy at all so what did it involve emotions and her jumping

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_00]: around the house according to whatever those emotions told her overall she did not do a good

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_00]: job of separating game and personal this person was a friend that person gave her the ick and so on

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_00]: quite frankly if Quinn hadn't fallen so hard for her or Ticor and Kimo had found a spine

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_00]: between the two of them early on Leah could easily have been booted a long time ago with all

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_00]: the crap she said that she shouldn't have and she said it for emotional not game reasons

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_00]: she would air her feelings to just about anyone not concerned about potential game consequences

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_00]: much like she did with Rubina you know just recently but she was protected by Ticor and

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Kimo's unwillingness to tell Quinn and Quinn's own unwillingness to see or hear what was happening

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_00]: even on those few occasions when some of the information made its way to very valid I mean

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_01]: when we think about it you know it's hard to remember every single thing that happened for

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_01]: our viewers and listeners but just as a reminder essentially in initial weeks there

[01:00:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Leah's said a lot of things about Quinn in the sense that he gave her the ick kind of

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_01]: keep her out which none of it was really validated none of that from what we saw as

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_01]: viewers were like okay it just seemed like she was making up certain things and prescribing it to Quinn

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_01]: which then she talked to Kimo and Ticor about this and so what they kind of kept it themselves

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and didn't want to let Quinn know and that's kind of what David's reference to. Well they wanted

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_00]: to let Quinn know they just didn't want to tell him. They didn't want to tell yeah a little

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_01]: difference there but they didn't and so what we saw happen there is that it worked its way

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: out because Quinn just kind of became a undying serpent to her in a lot of ways in the game

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and I guess won her overomb so where she's like oh he's not a gamer. I think that's a perfect

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: example of how her emotions control her game. She kind of just rocked with vibes like if somebody had

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_01]: a good vibe she was with them if somebody didn't it didn't and that was kind of fun to watch in

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_01]: the beginning portion not the icky part of the Quinn thing but just like a player who just doesn't

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_01]: want to you know because in my head I was okay you're gonna turn it on when it gets game time

[01:01:18] [SPEAKER_01]: this is kind of the portrayal of it wasn't portrayal of it it was um they left the home house thinking

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: all right there's no nothing I could change in the game to actually fix my game um but yeah as we went

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: forward to we saw this motions control her where she for whatever reason felt that Kenzie would be

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: basically her closest ally in all these different ways Chelsea would work with her cam in the last

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_01]: minute because they have good vibes they've worked together all those things they wouldn't why

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_01]: would they want to get Leah out I don't think she realized that actually hey you have been playing

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_01]: strategically badly you're not only your allies anything but you feel emotionally connected

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_01]: to these players because of what they say I'll give credit to Chelsea she's on a really good way

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: of making sure players on the way out of the house or in it feel some form of connection

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_01]: to her I think it was perfect version of when she worked clean emotionally so um I give it to

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Chelsea that I think she missed it completely at Leah in this regard but yeah I mean I think

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_01]: there's no doubt that Leah was controlled by her emotions in this game yeah I mean that you know the

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_00]: funny thing about the you know going back to the Quinn stuff is the way it completely flipped

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_00]: late in Quinn's game when he became her number one and then instead of not wanting to spend

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_00]: any time with him all she wanted to do was spend time with him which reinforced how they were

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: a duo and when he was nominated she made things even worse by isolating herself she was so pissed at

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Chelsea but she needed to put that aside and didn't until the next week when she became

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_00]: HOH and she should have and instead started doing everything Chelsea wanted um but emotions really

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_00]: were the game for Leah she didn't like Quinn and some others early on so she didn't want

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_00]: to play the game with them as she grew to like him she became tied with him in the game

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_00]: she was close with Mackenzie so she thought that meant they'd play the game together

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_00]: she grew close to Angela so they became a duo after the hiccup of Angela throwing her and Quinn

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_00]: under the bus due to her paranoid delusions that she passed along to Chelsea but then came back

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: again um she thought she and Rubina were friends so she could air her true game thoughts to her

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and so on she just her emotions ruled and she just kept forgetting she was actually in a game

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_01]: she came for $750,000 at this point in the game uh when you're this far the players are here to

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: play to win and your emotions don't really matter they should be they should be some of them are

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: I think I think about approximately one of them still is but yeah uh Shats of the cribs of the dog

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: um

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_01]: it will get to him eventually yeah well we know he won't because he's gonna win the game now that's

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: my new oh my new David's gonna have to wear a new shirt for that one yeah no I'll wear the same shirt

[01:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: but do you feel like there was anybody else who went home this week that was potentially even more

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_00]: emotionally driven in their game than we are hold on let me think about this was there anyone

[01:04:26] [SPEAKER_00]: else um well there was this one person who was like a tornado a whirlwind uh if the conditions were right

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_00]: it could spring up out of nowhere with very little warning and rampage through the house

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: but the thing is with tornadoes you can study the conditions and see okay there's a tornado watch

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_00]: out because the conditions are right for this to occur but not so for Angela because she could take

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_00]: any little thing out of context get sudden delusions about it and the whirlwind whips up

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: and most of it was just driven by pure emotional insecurity now most people get insecure when they

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_00]: feel that they aren't safe Angela was often the opposite because look at how it started

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_00]: she was the first HOA the safest person in the house but when people told her they wanted

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_00]: to work with her she instead convinced herself they were all actors in a low budget movie

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_00]: about a week after Tucker saved her uh you know fast forward and wanted to work with her

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: she convinced herself that he had turned on her about a week after Leah had saved her

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_00]: she saw late night laughing and assumed it must be about a plot to turn on her

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_00]: anytime she saw someone whispering it had to be about her it just went on and on and on

[01:05:53] [SPEAKER_00]: and she would spin up and who knew what would happen next did it make it entertaining to watch

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: for some and incredibly frustrating to watch for others absolutely was any of it good gameplay

[01:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: absolutely not yeah I mean I don't think it's a part of her game we can't cover that

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_01]: or can't cover that wasn't emotionally driven I mean she was like you said I don't think I

[01:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: was on the block I mean there wasn't a week in or week out that she didn't let it drive her and I mean

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_01]: for her maybe it was a fuel maybe she needed that to kind of get through every situation that's kind

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: of the way she operates but Lord for the house gets in there they were in for it for every single

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: week whether she was on the block or in power you are not safe from Angela the way she played

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: the game yeah I thought that the hurricane might be able to take her all the way in

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think if she wins that one's that double the limit to the big shin right here where she was one

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: vote or not one vote one number way also I kind of hate I know it's based on like that

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_01]: is dealer no dealer whatever I hate the idea that if you go over the number right prices yeah

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_01]: in price or right it should be closest to the number it shouldn't be over for the number it

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_00]: should be closest to it or the strategy but you know also that Chelsea left a number off

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's pretty obvious that she left a number up she was trying to write and she believed

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_00]: she had written 10,080 not 1,080 because if you do the math that's like a week in minutes

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and when you saw her the look on her face as soon as Julie said 10,000 she got all excited

[01:07:36] [SPEAKER_00]: because she knew she was going to win she didn't realize she had written 1,000 she left a zero

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_00]: oh my gosh can you imagine if Angela had given a more reasonable answer and had won because

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Chelsea left a zero off that would have been great what if they're both over then it's the closest

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_01]: closest okay yeah I just it hurts me that aside though is this a very good you should

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_01]: mean if you ever made a video about that one you should have made that David that's coming

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: cool inside it's coming okay good love that make sure you check out his social so that

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: which I'll give you the link soon enough that aside though yes I mean every portion of it I was

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I was under the opinion that I think her tornado of emotions might be able to get her to the finish

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: line the way she was playing it because she also had a ability to win competitions alongside

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_01]: this emotion but yeah every bit of it I mean I think every past house guest has something

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: to say about her at this point in this house but it's probably specifically about how she

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: interacted with them good or bad yeah all right we can go to the fifth row it says players need to

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_00]: pretend to be nice and play the social game Leah had some definite ups and downs here we've

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_00]: discussed how she had no strategic game in the first half pretty much all she was doing

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_00]: was being social the thing is it was more of a hey let's be friends type of mode rather than as

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_00]: part of a social game it may be hard to remember back this far but while Joseph and Quinn were

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_00]: trying to flirt with Leah Leah was flirting with Cam for a while now we may have mostly forgotten

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: this but you better believe that Chelsea remembers it and while it was happening Quinn tried to warn her

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: that people said she was playing Cam and she got upset and started grilling him who said that

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_00]: who said that and he was like everybody but that changed fairly quickly and Leah even said

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_00]: about Cam a little later I will throw him out of the window my damn self I have no trust in him

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_00]: he has beyond icked me out and of course we know that icking Leah out is the worst possible offense

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_00]: indeed I would say the one place where she did actually follow this rule in terms of pretending

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_00]: to be nice was in the game when she said Quinn icked her out but she still played along at

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_00]: being nice to him in front of him while telling others her true feelings now as I mentioned earlier

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_00]: maybe she shouldn't have been so honest about those true feelings to everyone else and she was

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_00]: lucky not to get busted for it at the time but eventually Quinn ick turned into their mutual

[01:10:11] [SPEAKER_01]: crush yeah I feel like there's one portion of these rules where Leah maybe excelled a little

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_01]: bit more was this portion of it her social game calling again the game portion of that leave

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_01]: out it was just being social but I do think because of her charm she had her ability to

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_01]: conversate she was able to bring people to her when she didn't offer much game level from having

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Quinn kind of fall for her having jokes to fall for her having a working relationship with

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: me Kennedy for very long in the game with Angela as well and later on in it and then

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of working back and forth with things it was basically because of her social ability so

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't really down her too much on this section of it because I do think this is the one

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_01]: portion of it that helped her guess far she did excuse me yeah I mean I don't know

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_00]: things changed over time with her like her opinion of Quinn but you know even other people

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_00]: she has talked about being with Mackenzie since pretty much the beginning in fact

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_00]: she wasn't a big fan of Mackenzie early at one point she said the relationship we had

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_00]: she had with Mackenzie was very surface level and Mackenzie kept trying to get involved

[01:11:19] [SPEAKER_00]: in whatever she was doing like Leah was cleaning so Mackenzie joined in Leah was making brownies

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_00]: so Mackenzie joined in Mackenzie started stealing her jokes and mannerisms and mirroring her but

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_00]: along the way all those things kind of fell to the side it was another case

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_00]: of her being lucky nobody said anything about it to Mackenzie because she again talked to

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_00]: other people about it so yeah I would say overall her early social game wasn't so

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_00]: bad as to get herself voted out obviously but she didn't do anything particularly good to give herself

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_00]: the solid foundation in the game that would help her out later as we've discussed she thought that

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_00]: she was super tight with Mackenzie but clearly that wasn't enough to keep her safe she thought

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_00]: she was friends with Rubina but as soon as she told her something incriminating it got

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_00]: passed around the house I suspect they'll all be friends to one level or another outside

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_00]: the game but inside the game she had a much higher confidence in those relationships than was actually

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_01]: warranted I think for me the way I view it is that her social games regard to such a point with them

[01:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: but then you need the absolute strategy to have make sure you're an asset and she just didn't

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_01]: have that it's kind of like everyone knows that you usually have a friend who's just such

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: a charmer they're such a good person where like they can charm people but they kind of just let their

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_01]: town stay away so you don't work as much as they get far with their their innate charm with it

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_01]: versus putting in the work with it so if they put both those combinations then they'd be a deadly

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: combo and I kind of feel like that was the issue with Leah if she put a little bit working

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: strategy of the game combined with that we would see some fruition in actual autonomy

[01:13:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and equity winner equity in her game but it wasn't well yeah she thought that just being friendly

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_00]: with people would mean the oh okay that means we're together you know no no that's not the way it works

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: now Angela's social game was a whole other story again a real roller coaster ride she told

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Mike Bloom in her interview that she believes the veto was used on her by you know by other

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_00]: people three times because of her relationships and who she is as a person no we'll get more into

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: it in the next rule but the veto was used on her because it benefited the game of the person doing it

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: not because she was some sort of social super genius Angela was in a super genius is that what

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_01]: you're saying is that your argument that is what I'm saying I'm sorry to break that super genius

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Angela right here used her social game in every highly on the game highly yeah she didn't but

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_01]: she playing she I think she had one hypothesis and one theory she wanted to start going again

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_01]: can I win the game despite having a social game because that was Angela's full on thing and I think

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_01]: it was I think it's unique to Angela it would not work for anybody else I think people viewed Angela in

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: such a way where she was like the evil mom role where she's like I'll be your mother but I will

[01:14:20] [SPEAKER_01]: make you feel horrible about yourself because that was what Angela was doing in so many shapes

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: or forms I mean the way she would just talk to people I think I hate going back to week

[01:14:29] [SPEAKER_01]: one bite you think it sets that tone of it all yeah what she talked to Matt I mean we look back at

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: it we can see it for whatever traits Matt had that were like okay well this might not work

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_01]: it didn't seem like warranted whatsoever the thing she was saying to Matt at that extreme level

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_01]: and I think we see it get toned down unfortunately though for Angela it continues to be some

[01:14:50] [SPEAKER_01]: shape or form she could never stop herself from just attacking game she would attack the person

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: she would talk about them and it wears on you and it's impressive that she was able to

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_01]: you know get as far in the game as she did and I don't think she doesn't win those competitions

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: either she finds a way to keep herself there she was a she was a feared person she was the

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: evil stepmom for a bit you know she was the person that you're not sure the Cruella de

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Ville had made her way there um she did not get far in the game because of her kindness

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_00]: size for sure yeah and she admitted in interviews that she shot herself in the foot with the way

[01:15:26] [SPEAKER_00]: she acted early and we of course know the the stairway speech to crazy eyes Matt and her talking about

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_00]: others who thought they were pulling her into an alliance and then of course there was her war

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_00]: with Lisa which included making fun of her calling her tinker bell which never made it to the

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_00]: show or even the feet uh called her a twit multiple times and we saw her lash out at Quinn

[01:15:50] [SPEAKER_00]: which had the effect of pushing him away etc Angela told Mike Bloom outside of the game I definitely

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_00]: am opinionated like my kids say I will give you my opinion whether you want it or not I think that

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_00]: coincided with what happened with Quinn and Lisa and Matt it's hard to bite my tongue but in here

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_00]: when you're living under a pressure cooker situation and everything is very heightened

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_00]: it just came out and how it affected me is in a negative way and trying to recover from

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_00]: that and move forward with my game I shot myself in the foot with it I should have held my tongue

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_00]: but I didn't and I had a chance to do a lot of cleanup that was very messy it was a lot of

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_00]: recovery for me and I made my game hard by having a big mouth honestly I thought she did a pretty

[01:16:32] [SPEAKER_00]: good summary of herself in you know in terms of this rule one thing that she did do that you

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_00]: know she said you'll always get my opinion okay but but she wouldn't be a hundredth opinion making

[01:16:47] [SPEAKER_00]: fun of the way Lisa walked calling her a twit um you know making fun of Matt's eyes just all

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_00]: these things that went beyond giving an opinion they were personal attacks on that person yeah

[01:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna say it all out loud it's just like it's unbelievable that she was able to do as well as

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_01]: she did she wouldn't know in the game because she would just keep on saying those things and I think

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: you know I don't without like looking too into it I want to stay on game and stuff like that I do

[01:17:24] [SPEAKER_01]: think there was a level of self insecurity that I mean at the end we see her basically saying like

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I in her her interview with Julie saying like she's so proud of herself because she was able

[01:17:35] [SPEAKER_01]: to do this she's a strong woman at abnc which is great I love all that hearing that I think though

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: she's got this confidence playing in a game that she probably didn't have prior to or at least in

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: the beginning of the game and that made her a lack job that's not a justification by any means but

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's why she continuously did it we saw it because it came from a place of insecurity

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: where she would just attack people for no reason and she talks about a while you know she did

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_01]: this but she would continuously do it well this is not game it's not social this is just part

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_01]: of who she is in that portion hopefully though outside of the house this doesn't become a thing

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_01]: for I hope not because it got very ugly and again it was kind of funny in portions I think a lot of

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: us found humor in different occasions because it was angela it's just like um mother figure

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: saying all this stuff versus if we had anybody like me or anybody else and you're like you're

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_01]: a jerk you're completely out of luck you know so yeah I mean it's one of those things that

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe she comes back eventually because I think she's probably on the first to get called in certain

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_01]: ways and maybe she just tones it down a little bit but keeps the humor yeah yeah I mean you know she

[01:18:40] [SPEAKER_00]: she did make things difficult for herself with her social game and you know you talked about some of

[01:18:46] [SPEAKER_00]: the you know some of her switches you know T-core called her personality changes scary

[01:18:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Cedric said she didn't have control of her emotions Joseph called her delusional in his interviews

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and she she did rehabilitate her image in the house somewhat but even as recently as last week

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_00]: various people were still talking about how there was no way they could ever vote for her to win at

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_00]: the end because of how she acted and now listen to this there was no way they could ever vote for

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_00]: her to win at the end um T-core and rubina talked about it Chelsea and T-core also talked

[01:19:24] [SPEAKER_00]: about it with Chelsea saying the fact that Angela was still there makes me want to poke my eyeballs out

[01:19:30] [SPEAKER_00]: and T-core noted that even with her comp wins the negative was her social game then in another

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_00]: discussion with those two plus rubina T-core and Chelsea said Angela definitely wanted it

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_00]: but rubina chimed in doesn't mean I want to give it to her yeah I mean she proved that despite

[01:19:50] [SPEAKER_01]: a social game you can still make it foreign and get house and and I think she wins out

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: of same shape or form if she's next to cam maybe she finds a way to bring it out there but uh yeah

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_00]: now the other thing is and this is part of you know when I when I did my very difficult

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_00]: mathematical calculations to come to the zero percent chance she had of winning um I was also

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_00]: that it wasn't just okay she'll make it to the end delus it was also making it to the end

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_00]: because like Mackenzie's reason for really pushing to evict Angela was very much based on

[01:20:30] [SPEAKER_00]: personality rather than strategy even in the double eviction it probably would have made more

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_00]: sense for Chelsea and cam to take out Mackenzie but Angela has just made herself the easy target

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_00]: over time and there wasn't the usual week to think about it and realize that huh maybe

[01:20:49] [SPEAKER_00]: there's a better strategic decision they went with their feelings and Angela's social game

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_00]: a big part of it was making well a big part of the social game in general is not necessarily

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_00]: using it to win you can people do use it to win but another aspect of it is

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_00]: not being so bad at it that people want to vote you out yeah I mean I think we see this at the end

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_01]: where they need to figure out there's a lot of justifications to get Angela out and I can answer

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_01]: this like I am the threat but at that point it's like when do I like Elise right now in this moment

[01:21:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and we kind of see that being pushed forward because I do think like you mentioned it

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_01]: something that I think we can talk about also ironically making her a threat

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it does really exactly but her being such a bad social game made Chelsea want to

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: take her out over the other people because maybe this idea of like I want the people who are here

[01:21:52] [SPEAKER_01]: the final five to be people I like and again that's not as strategic gameplay by we find

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_01]: out a lot of times when you're with them for so long because players yeah there's a part of it

[01:22:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot more of it was people who like me

[01:22:06] [SPEAKER_00]: which we'll get to I think in rule six but as we move to rule six unless you had more

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I let's first talk about Leah because this rule warns against being too much of a threat now I don't

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_00]: think anyone actually believed Leah was a threat in the game at least not beyond the fact that

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Chelsea couldn't be sure she was 100 loyal to her and therefore was a threat in that way

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_00]: although you know as we mentioned now Leah claimed in her interview she was

[01:22:33] [SPEAKER_00]: 100% loyal to her but the point is that if anyone could have guaranteed that they would go to the

[01:22:41] [SPEAKER_00]: end with Leah I think they probably would have accepted that like if someone came to one of

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_00]: the players and said okay here's what's going to happen you can either vote her out now or

[01:22:52] [SPEAKER_00]: you will automatically go to the end with Leah which would you rather have happened

[01:22:55] [SPEAKER_00]: they'd be like take me to the end with Leah I mean yes

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Chelsea and Cam told Mackenzie that Leah was a threat but there was BS

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_00]: like using the fact she'd never been on the block so what you know that was mostly because nobody

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_00]: cared enough to do it like I said earlier during the first part of the season I often forgot she

[01:23:17] [SPEAKER_00]: was even there and then later when her name did come up there was someone else who others

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_00]: thought was more important to get rid of like Quinn but like I said she wasn't seen by Chelsea

[01:23:27] [SPEAKER_00]: as one of the people who was most loyal specifically to her so that was an issue yeah I think the only

[01:23:36] [SPEAKER_01]: vote she might have had in jury at this point would have been Quinn if so maybe he would have

[01:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: been oh he would have voted for her it wouldn't have mattered what else happened I hope that

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_01]: to be honest yes probably no but I'm hoping Quinn would try to make a strategic decision

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_00]: at the end of he would have he would have rationalized a strategic alleged reason for it but there was

[01:23:57] [SPEAKER_00]: there was absolutely no way he wouldn't vote for him yeah I think Leah unfortunately though

[01:24:03] [SPEAKER_01]: specifically for uh Chelsea to what's the person because she knew she was going after

[01:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: her as well I mean that's the threat level in itself she and she also kind of like made

[01:24:13] [SPEAKER_01]: herself a threat to point that she got out to core and you think of chemo rabbin and think

[01:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: all the way next you can't trust Leah right not that point and knowing she's going after

[01:24:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Chelsea ironically the only person you probably could have trusted Leah was McKenzie being the

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: person who sent her home so every other player was in their best indication let's get her out so

[01:24:33] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I think at that point you know her threat level she went to one of some competitions

[01:24:37] [SPEAKER_01]: she had a little bit more competition prowess than maybe uh rubina and chemo but yeah I think

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_01]: it's more so of where was she basically pointing her her actions against and she was basically

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_01]: pointing against everyone except McKenzie so how McKenzie got missed it so much is to be told

[01:24:56] [SPEAKER_00]: another day but yes today yeah yes so as we moved Angela uh this will uh you know probably be the

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_00]: most controversial part of the podcast because as we know you called her a frontrunner last week

[01:25:09] [SPEAKER_00]: while I said she had a zero percent chance to win now some fans did believe she was on the rise and

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_00]: she could have gotten the votes at the end if she'd made that far and I still say no unless it was a

[01:25:22] [SPEAKER_00]: very strange situation but we'll never know because as I said part of the calculation was

[01:25:26] [SPEAKER_00]: she could get voted out sooner um much like with Leah some of the people in the big brother house

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_00]: pushed the idea that she could win and their perception is more important here but going back

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_00]: to early August Tucker said Angela's not a threat that's the only thing she's not but he couldn't

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_00]: have foreseen how long she'd still be around uh McKenzie recently said Angela has been building

[01:25:53] [SPEAKER_00]: up a resume with comp wins and she's been saved off the block including by McKenzie herself

[01:25:59] [SPEAKER_00]: even so she added that nobody thought she could win but she was a threat

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and indeed people kept telling me for a few weeks now Angela's a threat she's a threat look at all

[01:26:09] [SPEAKER_00]: she's done she's a threat she survived all those times being nominated uh they totally missed the

[01:26:16] [SPEAKER_00]: point that didn't make her a threat she was nominated because she was expendable she survived

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_00]: not because of work she did but because the players wanted the other person on the block gone

[01:26:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Quinn called it out early that getting nominated against her would almost ensure you went home

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Chelsea later told Angela essentially the same thing that she was the perpetual pawn

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_00]: and anyone next to her was in danger now I will admit Angela built up a little bit of a

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_00]: comp resume but from the perspective of a threat to win we repeatedly heard people talking about

[01:26:52] [SPEAKER_00]: how she had treated others as I mentioned earlier and how they would not vote for her at the

[01:26:57] [SPEAKER_00]: end I mentioned that conversation between Chelsea and T-Corps in the previous rule but it also continued

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and they said if Angela made it to the end it wouldn't be by her own doing but by other peoples

[01:27:12] [SPEAKER_00]: even McKenzie who is not exactly the most strategically brilliant person in the house

[01:27:19] [SPEAKER_00]: could see that Angela was only still there due to their individual games not due to her actions

[01:27:25] [SPEAKER_00]: this may be the only time I say McKenzie was right

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_01]: cool McKenzie was right clip that right there I think for Angela I think there's two ways to be a

[01:27:35] [SPEAKER_01]: threat right you have the threat to win the game but also I think you kind of touched on it

[01:27:39] [SPEAKER_01]: a threat to be taken to the end is a spot against somebody else and I think that might have been

[01:27:45] [SPEAKER_01]: a worry for some players like Chelsea for example where she's worried that McKenzie the people

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_01]: might look at Angela as somebody doesn't matter how misting she does it how she works with McCam's

[01:27:55] [SPEAKER_01]: number two she becomes McKenzie number two Angela is a pretty good person to take to the end if you

[01:28:00] [SPEAKER_01]: don't feel like you have other chance because there's well two ways it could go it could I think

[01:28:04] [SPEAKER_01]: she could potentially win it or it could be one of the players who are super polarized because

[01:28:08] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't know what who's going to vote for her so you know if you take Kimo down to the

[01:28:11] [SPEAKER_01]: end he has some instant votes there all right if Rubina and T-Corps are in the jury Rubina

[01:28:16] [SPEAKER_01]: has some instant votes there can questionable if he has any instant votes there's a McKenzie

[01:28:22] [SPEAKER_01]: probably has some votes there actually you don't know she's kind of a wild card you know so I think

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_01]: because of that level she does become a threat or we do need to take her out if we don't take her

[01:28:33] [SPEAKER_01]: out right now very strong chance she would go to the end with somebody else also she's able

[01:28:38] [SPEAKER_01]: to align herself with anybody at any time so it's one of those things where it's a wild card

[01:28:43] [SPEAKER_01]: it's kind of like you just get rid of the jokers in the deck of cards and that's what Angela was

[01:28:46] [SPEAKER_00]: she was the jokers yes yeah and and that's the you know that's the thing I mentioned it with Leah too

[01:28:53] [SPEAKER_00]: she's a threat to Chelsea because she's not loyal to Chelsea and if she's not loyal to Chelsea

[01:29:01] [SPEAKER_00]: well then that could cause possible problems and then like you said that that's a you know a

[01:29:06] [SPEAKER_00]: perfect point you brought up let's say that they keep Angela around you know that let's say

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Chelsea gets the wild idea okay I'm gonna go to the end against Angela because she's easy to beat

[01:29:17] [SPEAKER_00]: and then the other person wins that final HOH come and says well I'm not going against Chelsea I'm

[01:29:25] [SPEAKER_00]: taking Angela whereas you get rid of Angela and things are a little bit more even or at least

[01:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: be perceived as being even no doubt I think it's one of those things where you can plan a little

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: bit more around like you're gaming it through which we love to do figuring out the best of the

[01:29:44] [SPEAKER_01]: pathway but when you put keep Angela in there it throws a cog in the years where you're like

[01:29:48] [SPEAKER_01]: somebody like I love him he might I trust him would he back 70 at the end of the camp

[01:29:55] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe would he back 70 for chemo maybe not right yeah all right we can go to the seventh rule

[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_00]: which says to trust almost nobody and Leah clearly had major problems here we've discussed a lot

[01:30:07] [SPEAKER_00]: of them already but just in the past two weeks she trusted Chelsea and did her bidding despite the

[01:30:12] [SPEAKER_00]: fact that Chelsea had just blindsided her to closest allies she trusted Mackenzie to keep her safe in

[01:30:17] [SPEAKER_00]: the game and not lie to her because she felt they were friends she trusted Rubina enough to reveal

[01:30:21] [SPEAKER_00]: her inner thoughts about how she shouldn't have taken out T-core last week I'd like to say

[01:30:27] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you can be in the house for over two months and still trust people to

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_00]: that level but it just goes back to Leah still not understanding that she's playing a game

[01:30:38] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah she didn't realize that since of this game in any shape or form and I think this is a testament

[01:30:43] [SPEAKER_01]: to it I mean kept on thinking that she could I mean trust people that she backs out right away

[01:30:49] [SPEAKER_01]: because thinking that maybe they wouldn't care about it because they viewed the game the same

[01:30:52] [SPEAKER_01]: way she viewed the game that nothing really matters in here yeah I think you put it completely

[01:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: there's definitely more we could add to that there's she trusted she just kind of trust her

[01:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: you know what I just couldn't even trust herself because when she trusted herself to make her own

[01:31:08] [SPEAKER_01]: judgment it didn't work out she should have trusted some other people in the right time

[01:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: anytime she needed to trust somebody else she would trust herself and vice versa so again do the

[01:31:17] [SPEAKER_00]: opposite yeah now Angela was another story entirely the only person she trusted at the end was

[01:31:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Leah and as we discussed even that wavered during one of her delusional times sure she temporarily

[01:31:29] [SPEAKER_00]: trusted other people in the game but it never lasted because she always believed they were

[01:31:33] [SPEAKER_00]: plotting against her it was like if you took Kat Dunn's joke line of are you bitches conspiring

[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_00]: against me and you made it real Angela always assumed that people were conspiring against her

[01:31:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and while it's not a bad thing to worry about that in big brother you can't go through the whole game

[01:31:55] [SPEAKER_00]: assuming that everybody is always doing it and that it's always about you

[01:32:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I really think I would live through the day when David Bloomberg would be

[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_01]: quoting are you bitches conspiring against me I love that I need that I need to get a whole

[01:32:11] [SPEAKER_01]: video clip of that now and use it forever that aside I think if you could do the

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: opposite rule for Angela she did this because unfortunately she needed to trust some people

[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: she trusted nobody at all in this house and no one could trust her any information that would go

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_01]: found a way to go through the nether like and that's kind of probably the worst thing in the house

[01:32:33] [SPEAKER_01]: you can get Marca is completely trustless so she was able to get that title because

[01:32:39] [SPEAKER_01]: anytime somebody told her something she would tell them any alliance she'd find her away there

[01:32:43] [SPEAKER_01]: she would there be there the worry about nominating Angela wasn't about her going

[01:32:47] [SPEAKER_01]: home is what secrets was she would tell when she got on the block she would let it all out

[01:32:53] [SPEAKER_00]: all right well we have appendix a which is about the jury phase of the game and deals both with

[01:32:57] [SPEAKER_00]: how these two were doing and preparing to possibly be at the end as well as whether

[01:33:02] [SPEAKER_00]: the other remaining players did what they needed to get them on their side at the end

[01:33:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and how this will impact the jury considering what I just said a few minutes ago about

[01:33:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Angela not being a threat to win I think it's pretty clear I don't think she did a good

[01:33:13] [SPEAKER_00]: job of getting the jury on her side I think I said something similar about Leah though of

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_00]: as I also said she automatically has quit so there's that one vote I guess it would have been

[01:33:24] [SPEAKER_00]: interesting to say the least if these two had in some weird parallel universe made it to the end

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_00]: together but I mean that might have tested my zero percent chance that might have been the 0.49

[01:33:38] [SPEAKER_00]: percent that I was talking about but it didn't happen so we don't have to worry about it

[01:33:43] [SPEAKER_01]: not on this world well I mean Leah had one jury block there from Quinn and she played

[01:33:53] [SPEAKER_01]: it smart enough like we said she had everything kind of set up for her she could have got Joseph

[01:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: into the jury she would have had two and then that's what you need those people and also Quinn

[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_01]: being the first person in jury could be a big influential person to kind of start conversation

[01:34:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean she really had it let up for her Angela on the other hand I have probably no warriors

[01:34:12] [SPEAKER_01]: for her in the jury house I mean it would have been very interesting to see because they had

[01:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: a specific combination it had to be people who'd probably value her compability her able to

[01:34:22] [SPEAKER_01]: maneuver things but anybody in the house already has been insulted by Angela in some shape or

[01:34:26] [SPEAKER_01]: form it's curious to see how much it would have been I think most of her insults go into

[01:34:31] [SPEAKER_01]: pre-jury versus jury time but I do think have been tossing them being in the jury house so it

[01:34:36] [SPEAKER_01]: will be very interesting to see how it goes we saw Angela talk about how she basically thinks

[01:34:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Kimo is the person to win this game which I'm very curious to see how this will now impact

[01:34:47] [SPEAKER_00]: me so important because that's something I couldn't never see coming oh I could yeah I

[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_00]: think it's something that we thought was almost impossible which was flip apparently flip two

[01:35:05] [SPEAKER_00]: votes with his final speech and he's just adored overall so you know I don't think Kimo will

[01:35:16] [SPEAKER_00]: make it to the end because I do think the other people are like wow people really love him way

[01:35:21] [SPEAKER_00]: too much he'll just get up there as his final speech and sing and you know but yeah as far as

[01:35:32] [SPEAKER_00]: the others if we look at the interviews that Leah did it it seems pretty clear she still holds

[01:35:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Chelsea in the highest esteem of the game she told Dalton Ross Chelsea has a really great

[01:35:51] [SPEAKER_00]: chance of going far in the game because nobody suspects her as a threat she's very well insulated

[01:35:55] [SPEAKER_00]: very well spoken and overall knows the game very well basically all the things that Leah was not

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Chelsea had a hand in crafting this image of herself because she took the time to talk to Leah

[01:36:10] [SPEAKER_00]: even as she was getting her out of the house and she was planting her seeds as well

[01:36:15] [SPEAKER_00]: telling Leah that she was really upset with Kimo because he'd been planting seeds for weeks

[01:36:20] [SPEAKER_00]: and she should have known now I don't know if Leah fully believed that or not or what she may find out

[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_00]: you know when Kimo eventually ends up in the jury house but it's still a good ploy

[01:36:32] [SPEAKER_00]: although I do think that blaming Kimo to me just made me laugh but apparently they're

[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_00]: they're buying it I think Rubina said something on the live feeds and this

[01:36:46] [SPEAKER_00]: this may have happened after the eviction but it's not spoilery I think she said I don't think he's

[01:36:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Kimo I think he's Schimo and it's like that's very clever has absolutely nothing to do with Kimo as

[01:36:59] [SPEAKER_00]: a person actually you know the idea that he should be go you know called Schimo

[01:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Schimo there no and I want to clarify too I don't think it's I've actually come a long

[01:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: ways around for Kimo in his game too I think there's some equity there for sure

[01:37:16] [SPEAKER_01]: because of his trauma there but I was just surprised with Angela that being a game for in her mind

[01:37:22] [SPEAKER_01]: she was just I just can't read her sometimes but yeah no I think it's gonna be very interesting

[01:37:26] [SPEAKER_01]: to see as we go on we have either a very interesting final two potentials or very I

[01:37:31] [SPEAKER_01]: don't mean to say underwhelming but potentially could be a railroad at the end too I could

[01:37:38] [SPEAKER_01]: see both ways so the only way though I think we get some sort of interesting final two is that

[01:37:45] [SPEAKER_01]: if we don't see Chelsea in the bottom two but I mean I think she is a runaway win you know I mean

[01:37:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I call Chelsea win at this point interesting and I know other people are like oh the season

[01:37:56] [SPEAKER_00]: just got boring but no a Chelsea win is not boring to me no I mean you know you're not

[01:38:01] [SPEAKER_00]: gonna have explosions on the feed like you might have otherwise but I mean that always

[01:38:07] [SPEAKER_00]: happens around this time there's only you know there's only five people left you know they're not

[01:38:11] [SPEAKER_00]: going to get into huge knockdown drag-out brawls most of the time so at this point we just you

[01:38:17] [SPEAKER_00]: know the interesting part is seeing how Chelsea maneuvers if she can make her way to the end

[01:38:23] [SPEAKER_00]: because that's another thing Leah told Mike Bloom was she viewed Mackenzie's game as shaky and

[01:38:29] [SPEAKER_00]: think she's playing for second place frankly I think she's playing for fourth or fifth place

[01:38:34] [SPEAKER_00]: but the point is she won't win you know and so

[01:38:41] [SPEAKER_00]: but I mean even Leah thinks at best she's playing for second I think at best everybody but Chelsea

[01:38:47] [SPEAKER_01]: is playing for second I agree I think that's why I said I could get finalists like interesting

[01:38:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I think she'd be a deserved winner I think she'd be good I just think she is at this point in

[01:38:57] [SPEAKER_01]: game leagues above every other player that's in the house right now that it will be a unanimous

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_01]: it should be if Chelsea's in the final two unless something crazy happens it should be a

[01:39:06] [SPEAKER_01]: unanimous win for Chelsea I can't see Kimo being the only person now which I probably went to Orabina

[01:39:12] [SPEAKER_01]: but probably Kimo I think just because how they're viewing him have the best chance now against

[01:39:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Chelsea yeah I think he'd be hilarious if he can and the final two it came somehow to get

[01:39:22] [SPEAKER_01]: shout out to his dogs in the crib one last time on the jury table yeah and winning would

[01:39:28] [SPEAKER_01]: be something would probably unfortunate the implode the fandom and everybody else into it how

[01:39:35] [SPEAKER_01]: because how camel one would be a very interesting segment for us to create yeah yes it would

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_00]: hopefully we won't have to worry about that yeah but it is time to wrap things up on these two

[01:39:48] [SPEAKER_01]: so what are your final thoughts on Leah and Angela two parallel games in a sense of one playing

[01:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: too little and one doing too much the difference is that for Leah and her game for me is that she

[01:40:00] [SPEAKER_01]: was truly handed all the tools to be successful in this game from having a pathway of social

[01:40:08] [SPEAKER_01]: game where she could work with people who threw themselves to her from two undying loyal fans of

[01:40:14] [SPEAKER_01]: the game literally ready to sacrifice their game Quinn and Joseph from all the players

[01:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and this cast being built in a way that they did not want to share any information with one

[01:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: another when other people were talking bad with each other I mean she couldn't get exposed so

[01:40:27] [SPEAKER_01]: many times but she found a way to go through found herself finally near the end of the game in which

[01:40:33] [SPEAKER_01]: she just continued to do what she did from the beginning game and it was not

[01:40:37] [SPEAKER_01]: use any strategic powers to connect with people that's some worship on the other side of things

[01:40:43] [SPEAKER_01]: with Angela she did too much she was a hurricane of emotions as David said and we found her

[01:40:48] [SPEAKER_01]: being a storm of wherever she went to breaking down and very little building anything up but she

[01:40:54] [SPEAKER_01]: made it as far as she did I was very surprised but she was not handed any tools within the game

[01:40:58] [SPEAKER_01]: she kind of fought her way out we probably one of the most entertaining players I've seen on this

[01:41:02] [SPEAKER_01]: house with a little bit of I don't want her in this house anymore to finally be like I think

[01:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: she could potentially win it David will always disagree with me on that fact overall I think

[01:41:12] [SPEAKER_01]: very fun to watch each of these players in different ways one where I want to rip

[01:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: my hair out and when I want to rip my hair out even more so they both went home though for similar

[01:41:21] [SPEAKER_01]: reasons and it was their strategy we have went from a lack of strategy and Angela went home because

[01:41:27] [SPEAKER_01]: she had too much strategy that she could not enact rightfully for both these reasons they went

[01:41:31] [SPEAKER_00]: home so before I give my thoughts I wanted to say one thing you said that nobody gave

[01:41:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Angela any tools well three of them gave their her vetoes so you know okay yeah

[01:41:46] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah while Leah and Angela were seen as a duo at the end as they were voted out within an hour

[01:41:50] [SPEAKER_00]: of each other their games were really not at all similar Leah played barely for most of the game

[01:41:57] [SPEAKER_00]: while Angela played enough for three or four people most of the time

[01:42:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Leah didn't know there was even strategy in the house at first while Angela deluded herself

[01:42:05] [SPEAKER_00]: into thinking there was far more strategy going on than there actually was and it was all directed at her

[01:42:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Leah's social game was neither so good nor so bad that it caused her to be a target while Angela's

[01:42:18] [SPEAKER_00]: was terrible from the start as she had to dig herself out of it but people still remembered

[01:42:22] [SPEAKER_00]: and had their negative thoughts about it but they do have the similarity that neither of them

[01:42:28] [SPEAKER_00]: was an actual threat to win the game while both of them had people in the house claiming

[01:42:33] [SPEAKER_00]: they were threats because they did not appear to be 100% on board with them specifically and really

[01:42:42] [SPEAKER_00]: even if Leah's words now in interviews would have held true and she'd have stayed and would have

[01:42:48] [SPEAKER_00]: indeed been loyal to Chelsea and Cam and Mackenzie you can't beat the kind of loyalty that Chelsea

[01:42:54] [SPEAKER_00]: has gotten from the Kimo Rubina duo because in the end Leah would have preferred Angela and

[01:43:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Mackenzie and of course Angela wasn't going to ride to the end with Chelsea either as she made it clear

[01:43:06] [SPEAKER_00]: she wanted to go with Leah or Kimo so whether they were threats to win in the end didn't really matter

[01:43:14] [SPEAKER_00]: what mattered was they weren't loyal soldiers to the person who is controlling the puppets

[01:43:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Chelsea I guess I mixed my metaphors there both of them did things from the very start to put

[01:43:26] [SPEAKER_00]: themselves on the outs and they never fully recovered it's true that in Big Brother you don't

[01:43:32] [SPEAKER_00]: want to come out guns blazing like a Tucker you need to sit back and bide your time while building

[01:43:37] [SPEAKER_00]: your power base Leah sat back way too much and never had a base Angela blew up everyone who might

[01:43:43] [SPEAKER_00]: have even ever had a chance of being part of her base that made them both much easier picking

[01:43:49] [SPEAKER_00]: when the time came and that is why Leah and Angela lost well said David well said thank you all right

[01:43:59] [SPEAKER_00]: well uh we will have our spoiler free predictions in a moment after a few other pieces of information

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[01:44:44] [SPEAKER_00]: you know i usually come on here and say i've been posting at least three videos well this past week

[01:44:49] [SPEAKER_00]: i feel like it's been four or five every day uh all on like i said youtube instagram tiktok

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[01:45:26] [SPEAKER_00]: our spoiler free predictions um so these were written up uh before we knew the outcome of the

[01:45:40] [SPEAKER_00]: ham can't win anything rubina can't win anything and kimo surprised us by winning the veto but

[01:45:46] [SPEAKER_00]: usually can't win anything so i think mckenzie is going to turn around and win age o age again

[01:45:53] [SPEAKER_00]: because who else is going to do it uh in fact it may be the only thing that saves her because

[01:45:58] [SPEAKER_00]: there's already been talked pre this week you know about who mckenzie's got to go next um

[01:46:05] [SPEAKER_00]: now it still won't save her game overall because my bet is she has been fully immersed back in the

[01:46:13] [SPEAKER_00]: chelsea mist and she'll just nominate kimo and rubina and then if one of them win veto uh she'll

[01:46:19] [SPEAKER_00]: put up cam but it won't matter i think kimo is finally going to be headed out the door this week

[01:46:27] [SPEAKER_01]: i hate your prediction i hope it isn't getting true we both david and i sent each other

[01:46:32] [SPEAKER_01]: predictions before the show my prediction was rubina wins i'm going for broke and finally hoping

[01:46:37] [SPEAKER_01]: they break the streak of actually not winning anything where she wins it she wins it and now she

[01:46:42] [SPEAKER_01]: puts hopefully i would imagine mckenzie up there i'm thinking chelsea unless she's missed it she

[01:46:48] [SPEAKER_01]: could camp but i think the goal would be to get hopefully chelsea out or potentially mckenzie

[01:46:54] [SPEAKER_00]: what's his one way i still think they're missed it i still think they're following the

[01:46:58] [SPEAKER_00]: you know t-cores words to them i'm stick with chelsea um yeah i think the mist just extends

[01:47:04] [SPEAKER_01]: through the whole house well i hope cam if he's on there wins the veto takes him off chelsea's

[01:47:10] [SPEAKER_01]: on there and now cam and kimo has to go somehow to go before chelsea we'll see okay but as we wrap

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[01:48:51] [SPEAKER_01]: we're getting close to the end of season so we want to hear thoughts let us know in the comments

[01:48:55] [SPEAKER_01]: what do you think about this double eviction do you think it was the right move what do you

[01:48:58] [SPEAKER_01]: think is going to happen this next week and who truly has the most winter equity this cam and his

[01:49:03] [SPEAKER_01]: dogs that the crib have a chance to beat chelsea well what combination do you want to see and

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[01:49:26] [SPEAKER_00]: you know keeping caught up i i know that you were you had a lot going on this past week too so

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[01:49:39] [SPEAKER_00]: available saturday morning and we will be back next week as the end grows ever closer

[01:49:46] [SPEAKER_00]: or find us on social media if you want to see us before then bye this is why blank loss

[01:50:04] and this is why playing