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[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Every morning, Taran Armstrong, Toxic Brother, looking at the stuff from yesterday.
[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_03]: All the drama, all the strategy and silliness from Fido to HOH.
[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Every single season, you know he is the reason. You know what's happening.
[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Rob said that he could do it. Tomorrow, he will do it again.
[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Hello everyone and good morning. Welcome to our live feed update for September 18th.
[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm your host, Taran Armstrong, and I'm here today to update you on everything that happened yesterday.
[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_04]: On the Big Brother 26 live feeds, it was day 64 in the house.
[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And the votes are flipping maybe? I don't know. We're going to talk about it.
[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And with me to talk about it is Corey. How you doing, Corey?
[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing alright, Taran.
[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, last week we talked about my trauma, Quinn's being evicted, but we got through it.
[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And this week there's a twist at the final eight and two Vitos.
[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I apologize to all the listeners, but this is going to be less live feed update and more therapy session.
[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But I hope it's interesting enough to listen to.
[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_04]: As you all know, Leah, the HOH nominated Kimo and Rubina.
[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Angela then won the Vito, used it on Kimo, and Leah replaced Kimo with T-Core.
[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Not necessarily with the intention of targeting T-Core, mostly as a pawn,
[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_04]: not realizing that the votes could theoretically actually be there to evict T-Core.
[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_04]: As soon as T-Core touched the block, MJ was like, well, why don't we just vote her out?
[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_04]: She's right there. And Leah was like, I mean, that sounds like a good idea if the votes are there.
[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And so Angela, of course, is down for that as well.
[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Which means that the thing to find out right now, today, day 64, is where does Cam stand?
[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And can this vote flip against T-Core actually go through?
[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's where does Cam stand?
[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And then how strongly does Chelsea stand in the I want to keep T-Core camp?
[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Because both of these questions are going to determine what Cam's going to do.
[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think we actually got a pretty decent answer to both these questions.
[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I think we did for the most part, yes.
[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_04]: So we started the day with Angela talking to Rubina.
[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And another question was like, are the nominees going to campaign at all?
[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And Rubina kind of answered that question fairly quickly.
[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Talking to Angela, Angela was kind of like, hey, I'm sorry I didn't use the veto on you.
[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I felt really bad about it.
[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_04]: But hey, I really want you to stay.
[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I would want you to stay over T-Core.
[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And Rubina is kind of like, you know, I've resigned myself to the idea of
[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I will have to campaign a little bit against my best friend T-Core.
[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And that campaign, I think part of the way that Rubina is able to maybe justify in her head,
[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_04]: at least initially, is, you know, it's just about how great and amazing T-Core is.
[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, she's just she's such an amazing person.
[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_04]: In fact, she's too amazing. Right?
[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Like she's a little too good.
[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_04]: She's kind of a bigger threat than me. Right?
[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Like she's going to win in the final two.
[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_04]: She's like going to be harder to take out.
[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_04]: But I just feel like, you know, she's just she's just so great.
[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, too great.
[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't express how much I appreciate Rubina campaigning above and beyond more than I would expect.
[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I just wish she knew a little bit more what she was campaigning for,
[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: because she starts off this conversation being like, Cam's off the table.
[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have Cam. We can't get that vote.
[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_01]: We need to flip Kimo.
[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And Cam is upstairs having a conversation about flipping his vote.
[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, again, I love the effort.
[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm here for it.
[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I always thought Rubina like.
[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, when I say I always thought she had potential as time goes on,
[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's less and less potential.
[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But whatever potential there is, I feel like we're seeing it.
[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And I love that.
[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, there is discussion about trying to get Kimo in Rubina's mind.
[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Kimo should want her to stay.
[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And she's right.
[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_04]: He should think for the game.
[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_04]: It does make more sense for Kimo that Rubina stays.
[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_04]: At least to some degree, this may be an argument.
[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_04]: You could say that at this point, T-Core might actually be a bigger shield in front of him,
[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_04]: considering how many people are trying to potentially take T-Core out over.
[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think so, though.
[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think I don't think they vote T-Core out over Kimo,
[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_04]: in which case it is probably best, just best, straight up best for Kimo to keep Rubina.
[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_04]: But either way, in her mind, it's that this does make more sense for Kimo's game,
[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_04]: even though he may be leaning in the other direction.
[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_04]: So she thinks that there's a chance they can maybe get Kimo on board.
[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and her strategy to get Kimo on board is using Angela as her proxy.
[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_01]: There's an Angela Can You campaign.
[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's probably because of the veto.
[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Angela has a certain amount of leverage over Kimo.
[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: 99% of seasons, I would say that would not be the case.
[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like using a veto on someone, it doesn't buy you that much goodwill,
[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: especially when your relationship isn't that close.
[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: On this season, it's a lot.
[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Angela is getting vetoes used on her, so she has to use a veto on someone else.
[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And Kimo was talking about, I don't want to put up Angela because I feel like I owe her something.
[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like I don't know if you feel the same way, Taren.
[00:07:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I've had to throw out a lot of what I know about Big Brother for this season
[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_01]: because it feels like they're playing by different rules.
[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Certainly.
[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that the fundamentals are still there.
[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_04]: It's just that at the end of the day, Big Brother is never hard and fast when it comes to rules.
[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_04]: There's no solid, this just always works, this just always doesn't work.
[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_04]: We like to talk about the things that tend to work or the things that generally give you the best odds.
[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_04]: But Big Brother is so much more poker than it is chess.
[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So you can do everything right and still lose, you can do everything wrong and still win.
[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's kind of how it goes.
[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_04]: And this season, a lot of people are doing wrong.
[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And again, like wrong, right?
[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's interesting.
[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And this idea that Angela could influence Kimo, I'm not sure that Angela would have influence over Kimo.
[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_04]: However, it is worth pointing out that Kimo has expressed that he does feel like he owes her one
[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_04]: and would be hesitant to put her on the block next week because of that.
[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So at the very least, she has bought a little bit of leeway with Kimo, at the very least, which is useful.
[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, again, like happy that Robina is campaigning.
[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: The biggest conversation she had today was with Angela.
[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: The next closest is with T-Core who's on the block next to her.
[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of the campaign and a potential flip is kind of happening around her.
[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But she's definitely putting the most effort in of the two nominees thus far.
[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So Leah is going to talk to Kimo.
[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And it was asked me yesterday, has Leah told Cam yet that T-Core was trying to get Cam on the block?
[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And the answer was no.
[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Until this conversation, which happened yesterday after the update, of course, where Leah tells Cam,
[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_04]: hey, just so you know, T-Core was basically pitching for you to go up on the block,
[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_04]: for me to go against the deal and get you on the block.
[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And Cam was like, oh, wow.
[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, T-Core needs to go.
[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I was kind of sounding the alarms this conversation.
[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought Leah might be pushing a little bit too hard.
[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Because while Cam was pretty open to the idea of maybe we should vote out T-Core,
[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: he kept talking about we got to get Chelsea on board, though.
[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: That's key.
[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And then Leah's like, I don't know if I trust Chelsea.
[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And Cam's like, I hear that.
[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I do.
[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But I trust Chelsea.
[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: And they kept going back and forth for a while.
[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's when, something I certainly struggled with,
[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: you have to be a very active listener.
[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Because pushing against that brick wall is not going to get you anywhere.
[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, it might just incentivize Cam to run to Chelsea and kind of spoil the flip.
[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't seem like we're there yet.
[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But Cam was, I want to say surprisingly open to the idea,
[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_01]: but it shouldn't come as a surprise because it's the best move for him by a country mile.
[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And there have been indications that he'd be willing to do this in the past.
[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_04]: So, but even though there have also been indications that he might be reluctant to do this.
[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_04]: So it was a little bit up in the air what he might want to actually do.
[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_04]: And it was not entirely certain how honest he was being in this conversation,
[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_04]: considering how much Leah was pushing it and how much it would be very easy for Cam
[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_04]: to just kind of agree with it in the moment, but use this excuse of,
[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_04]: well, we need to get Chelsea on board as a way to potentially get out of it.
[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And also like how adamant is he in this decision, even if he is leaning in this direction,
[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_04]: considering the fact that he wants to get Chelsea on board,
[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_04]: does that mean that even if he isn't just placating right now,
[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_04]: he genuinely does lean in this direction,
[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: that Chelsea could still very easily pull him back into the other direction?
[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And it makes sense, right?
[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, obviously it's much better for Cam if Chelsea agrees with this decision and is on board
[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_04]: and he doesn't have to, you know, blindside her with a vote or go against her wishes in this vote
[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_04]: and potentially further alienate her considering the situation they are already in.
[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_04]: That's not great for Cam if he has to do it in that way.
[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And so that's what he says.
[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Leah, of course, is not really sure that Chelsea will be getting on board.
[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_04]: They talk about Chelsea a little bit.
[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_04]: As you mentioned, Corey, that Leah pushing against Chelsea a bit.
[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Cam does admit he has started to lose some trust in Chelsea after all this drama.
[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_04]: But ultimately defending her, saying again that he wants to get her on board.
[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Leah says she thinks that Chelsea is going to keep T-Core though
[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_04]: because that's what's good for Chelsea, right?
[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_04]: They stay up late talking to each other.
[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I think that's going to be how things go.
[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_04]: So it does feel a little bit unresolved by the end of this conversation.
[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I think something to track in this conversation is this is the first time
[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Cam has kind of had the women's alliance confirmed to him
[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_01]: or the rumblings of a women's alliance, which you might say seems not that important
[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Leah's pushing for T-Core or being a two-er on the block.
[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it is really important for Cam, weirdly his relationship with Kimo,
[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_01]: because Cam walks away from this conversation saying,
[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I need to talk to Kimo and form some sort of arrangement
[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_01]: despite seemingly them both targeting each other for a while now.
[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And not to look too far ahead because this happens probably every Live Feed Update
[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: for at least five to ten minutes.
[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Cam's jury prospects where there's a ton of women on the jury
[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_01]: all talking about the idea of having a woman as a winner.
[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that little bit of doubt, that little bit of fear
[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: getting to the end with someone he'd think he would beat otherwise
[00:12:52] [SPEAKER_01]: is probably starting to creep in.
[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So he was very startled by it, and I don't know exactly
[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_01]: how that's going to change what he does moving forward.
[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, later in the night he's still talking about Kimo
[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_04]: as a primary target for him.
[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm not sure how much this would change.
[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_04]: But he has been after Kimo for a while.
[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_04]: It is certainly possible that this gets in his head a little bit
[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_04]: and changes his mind.
[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_04]: For now, I'm not sure it has a ton yet, but we will certainly see.
[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And yes, they did talk about this, Leah, kind of being like,
[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, they want this Women's Alliance, but like what?
[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Six women can't make it to the final two.
[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, very much doing the like those other women.
[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the logic is pretty astounding because the way that she kind of
[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_01]: flips Cam on T-Core, I don't know how much you really even needed
[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_01]: to flip him necessarily, is saying T-Core said she was all in
[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: on the Women's Alliance.
[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously that's a lie because that means getting rid of Kimo,
[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_01]: who's her number one ally, which landed pretty hard for Cam
[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: or at least Cam pretended like it landed very hard.
[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I do think it's kind of genius.
[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_01]: There's this Women's Alliance and you're saying that T-Core's theoretical
[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_01]: devotion to the Women's Alliance is the red flag
[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: when it's really Leah who, no one is in on this Women's Alliance, right?
[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_01]: No one's ruining it.
[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: No one's okay.
[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_01]: That's important because I think people online are annoying
[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_01]: about that type of stuff.
[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But that was a lot of the argument and it just felt kind of a weird path
[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_01]: to go down, but I guess it worked.
[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_04]: So with Cam basically indicating to Leah that he is leaning
[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_04]: in this direction, it now seems like, you know, if we're looking
[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_04]: at the flip meter, it's leaning a little bit in the T-Core direction
[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_04]: right now.
[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_04]: MJ is locked in.
[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Angela is locked in and Cam is leaning in that direction.
[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_04]: We don't even know yet exactly how Chelsea feels.
[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_04]: We suspect that she is heavily leaning toward keeping T-Core,
[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_04]: but she is not campaigning or locked into the degree that MJ
[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and Angela are yet.
[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And we don't even yet fully know where Kimo stands in all of this.
[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Nobody's made an actual pitch to Kimo about the vote quite yet either.
[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's certainly not actively campaigning for T-Core to stay either.
[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_04]: So there's a lot of push and momentum in the Keep Rubina camp right now
[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_04]: and a lot of stagnation in the Keep T-Core camp.
[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it was very visible in the backyard.
[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You're allowed to have private conversations in the sense of you can't
[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: hear each other necessarily, but later in the night, T-Core is talking
[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: about every conversation she saw and she's basically doing her own
[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: live feed update without the details.
[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think if you're Chelsea, if you're T-Core, even if you're Chelsea
[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and got an indication later, even if you didn't, you still would know
[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_01]: something's up.
[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: This could not be a blind side or if it is a blind side,
[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_01]: it would be a masterfully conducted blind side.
[00:16:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, again, janky world is rearing its ugly head
[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_01]: every day it's happening.
[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_04]: So MJ talks to Rubina and lets her know that she wants her to stay
[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_04]: and that her and Cam will be trying to keep her,
[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_04]: will be voting to keep her.
[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_04]: She already feels like Cam is on board, like Cam is going to be a vote
[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_04]: keeper. We already know that Cam is talking to Leah about this.
[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And Rubina also makes the pitch.
[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's the smarter move. T-Core is the bigger threat.
[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_04]: If you don't get her out now, you may never be able to.
[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And MJ agrees with this.
[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_04]: They talk about Cam as the option, another option for the vote.
[00:16:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Again, Rubina feels like Cam might want to keep her because that is
[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_04]: the better play, even though she's not sure where he stands right now.
[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_04]: But Chelsea probably not looking to keep Rubina.
[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And MJ is not shy about saying that straight up to Rubina.
[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think Chelsea wants you to stay over T-Core.
[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And Rubina is like, well, listen, I'm not going to put you up, MJ.
[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know about T-Core.
[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't make promises for T-Core.
[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what she might, she might put you up, MJ.
[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And MJ's like, I know this already.
[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea knows it too, but she still wants T-Core to stay.
[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know how I feel about that.
[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And so they talk about like, well, who would you target Rubina?
[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And they talk a little bit about like Angela being on the block,
[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe even put Chelsea up there.
[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And MJ's like, well, Rubina, you should talk to Cam and stuff like that.
[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And so it's again, Rubina's really starting to make a pitch here.
[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And MJ is really starting to drift from at the very least,
[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_04]: just being a mindless Chelsea soldier.
[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I think she still wants Chelsea around.
[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think she wants Chelsea gone, but she's definitely aware that
[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea is looking out for her own interests, which are now she sees
[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_04]: opposite to her own.
[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And she's perfectly happy to cut away any of Chelsea's power so that
[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea becomes more of an MJ minion than the reverse.
[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's so, so good to see because I think MJ is a player who the first half
[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_01]: of the game didn't really have a shot.
[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_01]: She was just kind of out of all information.
[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was certain the second she gets into power, she's going to ruin it.
[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't, she's not a very skilled game player as we saw for the first
[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: six, seven weeks.
[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So I figured when she's in a good position, much like a Quinn is going to
[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_01]: figure out a way to spoil it.
[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I think she's done an excellent job since she's been in this better position.
[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, Leah winning HOH is a really good thing for her, but it feels like
[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_01]: MJ has solidified her relationship with Leah.
[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: She's as much as she's like going anti Chelsea and the cam Chelsea,
[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_01]: her drama is annoying.
[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Later in the day, MJ has a really good conversation with Chelsea,
[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_01]: which makes it seem at least to Chelsea, like they're the two.
[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I think she's doing a great job of playing the field.
[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: She seems to me like the most self-interested player who's most actively
[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_01]: acting in their self-interest.
[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was wrong.
[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I think she's doing a great job.
[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she basically what's happening is as long as MJ and cam are able to
[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_04]: take out T-Core this week, they're just trying to supplant.
[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_04]: They're both trying to supplant Chelsea's position as riding that middle.
[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_04]: We talked about how if T-Core stays, Chelsea gets to be in the middle of two
[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_04]: trios.
[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like a little bow tie shape.
[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_04]: If you look at the points and MJ and cam are like, that's what's going to
[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: happen.
[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_04]: If T-Core stays, we would rather be in that position.
[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_04]: And right now, MJ is the more active of the two in trying to actively take
[00:20:06] [SPEAKER_04]: that position.
[00:20:07] [SPEAKER_04]: MJ is trying to be the one that's like, hey, Rubina, Chelsea, right?
[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_04]: And put Chelsea over there stuck on one side while MJ gets to still be with
[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea and cam on one side while also being the one that saved Rubina on the
[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_04]: other side.
[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, will it work?
[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_04]: That's an open question.
[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Cam is also trying to get into this position though less actively, though he
[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_04]: may have the better relationships.
[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not entirely clear yet.
[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's interesting.
[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's not just the middle of two sides because MJ can play this middle
[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_01]: between Chelsea and like Rubina and Kimo in them.
[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: She also has one of the best relationships with Leah out of nowhere where this
[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_01]: whole season, it's been this saga of they're talking bad about each other behind
[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: each other's backs.
[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And it feels like finally with this vote, with them having the same goal, they're
[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_01]: back on the same page.
[00:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very interesting.
[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Just the duality of McKenzie versus cam because McKenzie is more actively
[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_01]: strategic or is a more active strategic player and cam is much better socially
[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_01]: at this point in the game.
[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I am more reassured by strategic conversations than someone chilling and being a
[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_01]: good dude.
[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I think MJ is definitely like edging ahead of cam in that way.
[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Jury votes are a different question, but we'll get there.
[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_04]: But yes, notably they talk about Leah as well.
[00:21:30] [SPEAKER_04]: MJ and Rubina.
[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's discussed this idea of like what what do we do with Leah?
[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Do we put Leah up?
[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_04]: MJ says, I'm not sure I could put Leah up, but I will definitely vote for out
[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_04]: if I'm which is something that she's kind of been saying for a while.
[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, oh, I couldn't be the one to go after Leah.
[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I think just based on their history and the relationship that they have.
[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_04]: But she's not exactly like actively protecting Leah in this.
[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Like Leah is basically I would say in right now it seems in MJ's mind Leah
[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_04]: is kind of like like Chelsea is here.
[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Leah is like here, but they're both valuable to her as allies.
[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a great spot where you have two allies were either one going home gives you
[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_01]: a really reasonable path moving forward.
[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the conversation about Leah from the other house guests.
[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of talk of we're not going to target her next week.
[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I do think somebody wins HOH and she's a really tempting target.
[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: She might be in that spot where she's almost a little bit scary to talk about
[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: in the same way.
[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It's scary to talk about a jag or any person who's been winning competitions
[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: recently because you take that shot and you miss you're in a lot of trouble.
[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think some people might just be waiting to get there like guaranteed safety
[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_01]: before they say, wait a minute.
[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way we're letting Leah get to the end, especially after the trio's
[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_01]: weekend, which inherently weakens Chelsea and she's going to be sticking out
[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_01]: like a sore thumb as a threat.
[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_04]: I agree.
[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I really do.
[00:23:05] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that like, you know, because they're going to have more conversations
[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_04]: about who should we target next?
[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And the options will be if you are Ham, MJ, Chelsea, the options are you can go
[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_04]: after assuming T-Core is gone, Rubina and Kimo.
[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And yes, there is some idea that like Kimo is a threat to MJ and Ham.
[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_04]: They have been looking to get Kimo up for a while.
[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I do think Kimo will absolutely touch the block.
[00:23:31] [SPEAKER_04]: But Kimo might, especially without T-Core, finally start having some
[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_04]: conversations and be like, yo, I'm not actually after you.
[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, there are bigger threats.
[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_04]: People who have won many more competitions than me.
[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I've won one AI arena.
[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea and Angela combined have won like five comps.
[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_04]: You're really going to target me right now and let them compete both in the
[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_04]: next in the next HOH at the final six?
[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Like there's a pretty strong argument there.
[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And even if Kimo doesn't make the argument himself, you can think it up on
[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_04]: your own. Like it's not a hard argument to think of in the same way that
[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_04]: that like nobody said they wanted to target Quinn on Quinn's HOH or even
[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_04]: after Quinn's HOH until right around the time that the veto happened.
[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And then they were like, wait a minute.
[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Quinn's won some comps and he's right there.
[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I do agree.
[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that there's Leah should definitely still be very concerned,
[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_04]: especially because I think Chelsea is very openly willing to to be looking
[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_04]: at looking at Leah and still even after this week would likely have some
[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_04]: amount of influence over him and MJ to some degree.
[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_04]: So certainly something to watch out for.
[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_01]: This is what happens in the endgame of Big Brother.
[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_01]: When you have a threat on the block, they're going to go home unless
[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_01]: they're a masterful player.
[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_01]: When you're in a position where you can take the shot at Leah, who at
[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_01]: this point has established herself as one of the biggest threats in the
[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: house, that shot will be taken.
[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's very funny watching these feeds for all these houseguests are
[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_01]: lying to me because they're all saying, yeah, Angela should go next.
[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll keep Leah another round.
[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And I know if both of them are on the block, I know exactly how that vote
[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_01]: is going to go.
[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that's the experience of playing.
[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's just the most obvious thing that any of us have ever seen this
[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_01]: season.
[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: But Leah and Angela Noms seem, if not likely, seem like a real possibility
[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_01]: next week.
[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_04]: So Chelsea is going to talk to T-Core.
[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And this was very funny because it was happening at roughly the same time
[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_04]: that MJ was talking to Rubina telling Rubina, hey, Cam and I voting to keep
[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_04]: you.
[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea's telling T-Core, hey, Cam and I voting to keep you.
[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And having the same conversation, hey, I want you to stay.
[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Me and Cam will be working to keep you around.
[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And she encourages T-Core, you should be talking to Leah.
[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_04]: You should be making your case, repairing some relationships.
[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And it does certainly feel as though Chelsea is wanting T-Core to stay.
[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Again, how much is still up in the air.
[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_04]: But she's having a similar conversation with T-Core that MJ is having
[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_04]: with Rubina.
[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_04]: The difference is that MJ has been working on this for a while, has talked
[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_04]: to other people, is very firmly set in.
[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea's just starting.
[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_04]: And she's starting with T-Core and hasn't really talked to anybody else
[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_04]: about it yet.
[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very counterintuitive in Big Brother because you'd think maintaining
[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_01]: a position or maintaining where a vote is would be easier than flipping
[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_01]: a vote.
[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But maintenance is really hard because you feel like you don't have to
[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_01]: do anything.
[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You can just sit around instead of actively running around and talking.
[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So we're keeping T-Core, we're keeping T-Core, right?
[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas MJ knows she has to have these conversations to flip the vote.
[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So she's the only one actually having any conversations.
[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I think, again, Janky World is kind of helping T-Core a little bit here.
[00:27:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And the reason I feel that way is because I think T-Core has more of an idea
[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_01]: of what's going on in the house otherwise, where she might just be a little bit
[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_01]: less aware in a normal Big Brother house where conversations can happen
[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_01]: behind closed doors.
[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Because once T-Core finds out that this flip is happening, or more importantly,
[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_01]: once Chelsea finds out that this vote flip is happening, which she does
[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_01]: very soon, I think she's going to be put back in that MJ position of,
[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_01]: okay, now I have to actively flip the vote as opposed to passively maintaining
[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_01]: what I think has already happened.
[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and you're right because part of why Chelsea, I think, has been so lax
[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_04]: about this vote is that she does think it's already locked in and she also
[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_04]: believes, falsely, that Angela wants Rubina out.
[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And she tells T-Core this.
[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_04]: She's like, yeah, I think Angela actively wants Rubina gone and will vote
[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_04]: to evict Rubina over you.
[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course, she's very wrong about this and will find out relatively soon.
[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_04]: But in the meantime, Leah talks to MJ and lets MJ know, hey, I talked to Cam
[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_04]: and he wants T-Core out.
[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_04]: And MJ's like, exactly, that's perfect.
[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_04]: We have the votes.
[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_04]: We can do this.
[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_04]: T-Core leaving is so good for us.
[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And Leah's like, I agree, but is Rubina coming for me?
[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm still concerned about Rubina.
[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Remember, Leah did not intend to send T-Core out when she put T-Core up.
[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_04]: She's like, it was a pleasant surprise that people were willing to make
[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_04]: this vote flip, but I think she's, to some degree, still wrapping her
[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_04]: head around it thinking, well, this wasn't really the plan.
[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Rubina was more of the plan at this point.
[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_04]: So I just want to make sure I'm crossing my T's and dotting my I's.
[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Is Rubina a threat to me?
[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And MJ's like, no, not at all.
[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And MJ doesn't fully believe.
[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I do think they talked about Leah.
[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_04]: That was a conversation that was had, but MJ, she's keeping things
[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_04]: from Leah, which normally I wouldn't really even point out,
[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_04]: but in this house, it's like, hey, look, they're doing the thing.
[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a very interesting dynamic about how HOHs and votes work,
[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_01]: where obviously as an HOH, you'd think a unanimous vote is the best
[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: thing that can happen.
[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: You got everyone agreeing, they're getting at your target.
[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of times what you want is an extremely split vote.
[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So whoever survives has a lot of people to direct their ire at.
[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_01]: If Rubina stays unanimously over T-Core, then it puts her in a position
[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: where like, okay, well, Leah just nominated me and got rid of my ally,
[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: as opposed to if Chelsea and Kimo are voting out Rubina,
[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Kimo is his own thing, but if Chelsea's voting out Rubina,
[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: trying to get her out of the house, then all of a sudden she has
[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: a pretty reasonable clear target.
[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So in a weird way, I think Leah would like a 3-2 vote
[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot more than a house decision.
[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_04]: For sure, yeah.
[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Because Leah is also concerned about Chelsea, and she says so to MJ.
[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_04]: She's in a similar way that she was talking to Cam about Chelsea,
[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_04]: like she's still worried about Chelsea.
[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_04]: This is starting to get to the point where it's like, yes,
[00:30:34] [SPEAKER_04]: this is a thing that will often happen where Leah and Chelsea,
[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_04]: they are destined to go after each other.
[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_04]: If Chelsea wins HOH, I guarantee you she's going to heavily
[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_04]: consider targeting Leah at some point during that HOH,
[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_04]: if not just outright do it.
[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And the next time Leah wins, she's going to heavily consider
[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_04]: targeting Chelsea again, because one of them is going to be
[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_04]: out at some point.
[00:31:04] [SPEAKER_04]: They have been looking at it.
[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Leah was Chelsea's primary target way back in week two
[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_04]: when she won her first HOH.
[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_04]: These two are destined to go at each other.
[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_04]: They're just the two of those people that are like that.
[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And what can often happen in these situations is that Leah
[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_04]: is going to be talking a lot like, man, I'm just worried about Chelsea
[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and Chelsea's allies, of course, are going to be like,
[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_04]: don't worry about Chelsea.
[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_04]: It's fine.
[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_04]: MJ says like, hey, with T-Core leaving, Chelsea is not even
[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_04]: that powerful anymore.
[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_04]: So we don't even need to focus on Chelsea next week.
[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_04]: We can focus on some of these other players.
[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And Leah's like, okay, I guess.
[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I guess that makes sense.
[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_04]: But they're still happy.
[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_04]: They're working together.
[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_04]: They're going to make this move.
[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be great.
[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And hey, they can maybe even split up Kimo and Rubina with this vote
[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_04]: because Kimo is going to want T-Core to stay.
[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And how is Rubina going to feel about that?
[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_04]: So like there's still some options moving forward.
[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Like this is good.
[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's great.
[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And here's the problem.
[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Leah and Chelsea are targeting each other and Leah was just HOH
[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and Chelsea's not on the block.
[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So did Leah miss her shot?
[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Will Chelsea miss her shot next week?
[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Seems pretty unlikely.
[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_01]: As the numbers get down, you kind of, it becomes easier to fall into the right move.
[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Which I think again, Chelsea wins HOH.
[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to imagine nominations that make sense that don't include two names,
[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Leah and Angela.
[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think Leah is definitely going to be kicking herself if that happens.
[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But again, this season has been determined by wicked, crazy HOH outcomes.
[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe we'll get one of those and Leah's master plan is going to be made obvious to all of us.
[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[00:32:54] [SPEAKER_04]: So T-Core talks to Kimo.
[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_04]: We already talked about this conversation a little bit.
[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_04]: She's a little worried about people that she's seen be talking throughout the day.
[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Kimo is not as concerned, but T-Core says she wants to talk to Cam primarily.
[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I need to talk to Cam.
[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure that's going to happen.
[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And so, you know, they're doing their own thing.
[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_04]: And in the meantime, Cam and MJ talk to Chelsea.
[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_04]: And they're talking about like, who are we targeting?
[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And this is late into the night.
[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Who are we going to target next?
[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, Angela or Kimo is like the primary discussion at this point.
[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Angela has won more comps, but are they comps that matter?
[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, is she actually a threat to win things?
[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Kimo has won a comp, but it's only one.
[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Can Kimo win under pressure?
[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Can Angela win under pressure?
[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Is Kimo coming after them?
[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Is Angela coming after them?
[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_04]: So on and so forth.
[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea mentions, well, hey, I think that Angela wants Rubina out this week.
[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And MJ's like, oh no, no, no.
[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Angela wants T-Core out.
[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea's like, oh, I didn't realize.
[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, well, what do you guys want to do this week?
[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Because I figured we're going to go in that direction.
[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_04]: And they both are like, yeah, we're kind of thinking T-Core.
[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, she's kind of the bigger threat.
[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, we talked about this, didn't we?
[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_04]: And Chelsea's like, oh yeah, no, totally.
[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yep. Okay. Yeah.
[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm down to vote with the house.
[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God, Taren, the enigmatic house.
[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to vote with the house.
[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_01]: You're looking at the house.
[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You're talking to the house.
[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's your allies.
[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_01]: It is so frustrating, but this is dangerous.
[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_01]: You're giving Chelsea a chance to campaign.
[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Granted, she's going to campaign to you.
[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's in your power to shut it down.
[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Look, it's going to be a, if Chelsea feels strongly enough to keep T-Core,
[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_01]: which we're not sure of, this conversation definitely made it seem like
[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_01]: she's okay letting her go, which comports with some stuff we heard before
[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and contradicts other stuff.
[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So again, we have no idea.
[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be MJ and Chelsea trying to pull cam.
[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like a really fun day of feeds,
[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_01]: especially considering the dynamics between the two of them.
[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But this conversation, like as informative as it was for Chelsea,
[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_01]: finding out what the plan was,
[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_01]: it wasn't super informative to us because we just have to guess what
[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Chelsea's thinking.
[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea saying I'm, I'm down for this.
[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_04]: If this is what you guys want.
[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_04]: The vibe I got was that it is not what she wants.
[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_04]: The question then becomes if that's true,
[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_04]: how much does she actually care about what she wants?
[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_04]: How much will she push back on this and how much success can she have
[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_04]: pushing back on this?
[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Part of the reason we felt like that Chelsea was in such a good position
[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_04]: was because we felt like she had a good hold over MJ and cam.
[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_04]: And right now it's looking like she may not.
[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_04]: So this is a real test of like her positioning as the front runner is
[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_04]: like, can she get her allies back in line with what she needs them to
[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_04]: do for her to retain her strong position?
[00:36:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And right now they are not in line.
[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_04]: They are elsewhere.
[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_04]: And so she says this, I'm okay with this, but she is going to throw
[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_04]: some little needle points out here and there throughout the conversation
[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_04]: to see if there's any holes to be poked in this plan of taking out T-Core,
[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_04]: all of which are promptly defended against in this moment.
[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_04]: So not a lot of progress here in the night.
[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_04]: MJ says things like, Hey, I think that Rubina and chemo might even split
[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_04]: up without T-Core around.
[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And Chelsea is like, no, no, no.
[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I think in fact with T-Core gone, they're going to latch onto each
[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_04]: other, which you can tell is I think just a reflective argument to try
[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_04]: to keep T-Core because it's a complete opposite of what she has said in
[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_04]: the past.
[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Pam says, you know, T-Core wanted me on the block this week.
[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_04]: And MJ's like, yeah, T-Core wants us both gone, both Pam and me.
[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And Chelsea's like, well, I mean, I think T-Core wants Angela gone.
[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, that's what she said to me, but I don't know.
[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe she's lying to me, I guess, because I'm close to you guys.
[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_04]: That's what I've heard.
[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_04]: And MJ's like, no, no.
[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, everyone knows.
[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Everyone knows T-Core's coming after me.
[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_04]: So not again, not a lot of progress.
[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_04]: It did feel to me like Chelsea was trying to probe a little bit and found
[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_04]: very firm walls.
[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_04]: So there are still a few days, a few days, there's still today.
[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And so there's still today for Chelsea to try to make some more progress
[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_04]: on this.
[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_04]: But I don't know how much more she's willing to push because she may feel
[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_04]: worried that pushing would put her in a worse position.
[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And she wouldn't necessarily be wrong if she pushes and fails.
[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_04]: It could further damage these relationships.
[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, again, like this was the position that she was in.
[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_04]: She should have been able to control these two.
[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And it's not happening.
[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: In like the history of Big Brother Taren, there's been like a very small
[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_01]: group of people who I would consider like true manipulators who can mess
[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_01]: with your emotions and convince you to do something that is way out of
[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_01]: your self-interest.
[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anyone on this cast is that person.
[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I know I certainly was not that person.
[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_01]: When you're making a losing argument, you're trying to convince someone
[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_01]: that this is the right move, even though it's very clear that it's
[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_01]: the wrong move.
[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to ditch logic.
[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You have to go to some other appeal.
[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think Chelsea's capable of like getting into Cam and MJ's heads.
[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_01]: The best thing she could do if she wants to pursue this,
[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_01]: how am I going to strategically convince them angle?
[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_01]: She has to like proactively lie about Rubina.
[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the only way that she can make this happen.
[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's that's a hard thing to do in the house.
[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's we all talk about how valuable it is.
[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason it happens so infrequently.
[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a really, really good.
[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think there are paths here.
[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that like ultimately there's usually a few different ways to get
[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_04]: results, right?
[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Like one of them is just the logical debate argument thing that can happen.
[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_04]: If people are genuinely open to both ends and they feel like it's, you know,
[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_04]: an open dialogue, you can sometimes just actively convince them that it's
[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_04]: the right move using logic.
[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_04]: You can also just use the relationships that you have with them to like
[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_04]: emotionally manipulate them.
[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, like if you have a really good relationship with somebody,
[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_04]: it's usually a lot easier to convince them of things.
[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Even if you're not a good manipulator because you're just,
[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_04]: you're kind of like cheating using the relationship that you have in terms
[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_04]: of like using that manipulation.
[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_04]: That is something that I think Chelsea would hope to be using here,
[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_04]: but it's not seeming to work.
[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I think she's damaged those relationships a little bit this week and they're
[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_04]: a little bit closed off to that kind of manipulation.
[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_04]: So that's not working.
[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_04]: Another way you can do it is like the Vanessa route.
[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know, just structure things in a way where they feel like
[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_04]: they have no choice but to go in that direction.
[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_04]: That's nobody's really that player.
[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_04]: You have like the Dr. Will, which is like a whisper in their ear.
[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Like you're the devil. Like, Hey, this is what's actually good for you.
[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't you know that? Do you want to play for other people
[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_04]: or do you want to play for yourself?
[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, there's stuff like that.
[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, there are different ways to do this.
[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I think for Chelsea, a way that she can attempt this is to go to cam
[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_04]: and kind of do that where it's like, Hey, cam, I know this is good
[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_04]: for MJ, but is this good for us?
[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I don't, I don't really like is Leah telling the truth
[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_04]: about T-Core wanting you up?
[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Cause that really doesn't sound like T-Core to me.
[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I know T-Core is after MJ, but I don't think she's after you.
[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I think there's a way she can make that work.
[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_04]: But again, it's hard because she's already done some damage
[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_04]: to that relationship.
[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_04]: They've already had to have these like conversations about other things.
[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_04]: So for her to, to like get into that mode where she's being like,
[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, I'm looking out for you cam is it, it might be harder
[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_04]: to do right now with the time limit that she has of like,
[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_04]: she's got one full day left and they're outside.
[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_04]: So that might be difficult.
[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Then of course there's stuff that you can do.
[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_04]: That's not yourself doing it.
[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_04]: You can have T-Core do some work for herself.
[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_04]: You can lie about Rubina.
[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_04]: You can change the way that people see how things are moving.
[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_04]: And so I think there's tons of options, but I, you know, I agree.
[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that like, you know, can, can she use any of them?
[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Essentially is I think the question, right?
[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. I love the idea of, because it seemingly T-Core might protect cam.
[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a world where that logic makes sense to cam.
[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Chelsea has lost objectivity when it comes to MJ.
[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Like if Chelsea goes to cam and says, actually, I think MJ is manipulating you.
[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Cam might hear a different side of that then, Oh,
[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_01]: she's trying to strategically protect me.
[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I think again, that's why it was like,
[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I really feel like the, a huge part of Chelsea's loss of influence this week.
[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_04]: If she's unable to turn this back around has been through this,
[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_04]: this, this cam MJ stuff. It's just, it's just,
[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_04]: it was so unfortunate for her game at this time.
[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So she does work on MJ after the conversation with cam.
[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_04]: She talks more about Leah and being wary of Leah and MJ similar reaction to when
[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Leah's talking about Chelsea, like, Oh yeah, I don't disagree, but Hey,
[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, I don't think we need to worry about Leah.
[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I think that Rubina is probably willing to put Leah up.
[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_04]: She was talking about Leah.
[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I don't think that we, Leah needs to be a priority for us in the same
[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_04]: way that she was telling Leah that Chelsea doesn't need to be a priority.
[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_04]: This is exactly what you want to be doing.
[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_04]: If you are playing with two allies that are against each other is that you want
[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_04]: to prevent them from going after each other without actually like mending
[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_04]: their relationship. It's a, it's a great balance to be holding.
[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_04]: If you're, if you're capable of doing it, we'll see if MJ is actually capable
[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_04]: of presenting, preventing Chelsea from targeting Leah next week.
[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_04]: If the opportunity arises, but you know I like that she's attempting it.
[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. I think it's very tricky at this point in the season because I don't
[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_01]: know how much more of this Chelsea MJ connection can stand because they're at
[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_01]: odds in this vote. Theoretically say T CORE goes next week.
[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_01]: They're probably at odds again of who they want to target.
[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And eventually I think they need to recognize you're probably each other's
[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_01]: biggest comp threat. At least strategically,
[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_01]: you want completely different things. Maybe one of them is going to win.
[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_01]: The other is going to get fifth place and both of them are okay with that
[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_01]: gamble. I don't think they're thinking that deep, but like at a certain point,
[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you can't be allies if you are always fighting in other directions.
[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean that is a, that is a problem.
[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_04]: They also talk about the cam situation a bit. Chelsea explains it at least
[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, in, in, in a certain light basically saying that it's, it's,
[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, she, she understands Chelsea's not actually mad about it at all.
[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_04]: She's just concerned for their games because his Leah keeps talking about it.
[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Like Leah won't shut up about it.
[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_04]: And like Chelsea knows that it's all platonic and that it's not a big deal,
[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_04]: but it is a big deal for other people like Leah.
[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_04]: And they're just talking about it a lot.
[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And so Chelsea's just concerned for their games and that's why she was upset.
[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Felt like MJ was a camera the way she was just like lying to the,
[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I was at MJ did a great job in this conversation.
[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I think MJ saying like, I'll shut it down. Like that's so annoying.
[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And again, she drops the, I treat him like a brother, which is hilarious.
[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But this, this dynamic between the two of them,
[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's so transparent to both of them what is happening.
[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But they're both playing nice.
[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the real like danger between these two are like the signs that this
[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_01]: relationship is deteriorating is when they talk about their ideal final fives
[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Terran.
[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's no way either of these people want this ideal final five of,
[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was like Leah chemo Robina.
[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And then the three of them.
[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay,
[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_01]: they're both BSing each other because I think MJ did a good job of convincing
[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_01]: even me, Terran. I don't know about you, of like, who is MJ's final two?
[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know necessarily. Maybe she doesn't have one.
[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_01]: She's down with everybody.
[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's the thing is that, you know,
[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I do think she was locked into a final two with Chelsea prior to this week.
[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I really do.
[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_04]: However, I think this week has opened her eyes a little bit,
[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_04]: both in terms of like where she stands in her relationship with Chelsea,
[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_04]: but also in like how Chelsea is somebody that could win in the end.
[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_04]: She's had those conversations with Leah about like, Hey, you know,
[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea, somebody that could really, you know, win a jury vote.
[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's concerning.
[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_04]: So I don't actually know where MJ is leaning with her final two.
[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Selection right now. I don't know if she knows, to be honest.
[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that she's mostly focused on like what's in front of her,
[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_04]: which is this excellent position she's found herself in because of Leah's HOH.
[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think she's kind of got some potential options.
[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_04]: She could stick with Chelsea. I think that would be a mistake.
[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_04]: She could go with Cam and see how that plays out.
[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think she's a definite loss to Cam,
[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_04]: but I do think it would be tricky.
[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_04]: She could try with Leah and I think she has a good shot against Leah,
[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_04]: but you have to worry about the Quinn fluence.
[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Can I talk about that for a second, Taryn?
[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause I feel like this is something I heard all the time on podcasts.
[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I believe myself before going into the house.
[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_01]: The four person of the jury has a lot of influence right on our season.
[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It was cam. So let's put that aside.
[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I disagree and I have a small sample size. It was only on one jury.
[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And the reason I disagree is because that person has no information about what
[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_01]: happened to the rest of the game on my season at the very least,
[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_01]: those with the most influence weirdly enough were blue America Suri who came in
[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_01]: fifth, sixth, seventh,
[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_01]: because they're the ones who come in with the information of what we miss.
[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So they're able to frame whatever happened in their own perspective.
[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Suri was a massive part of,
[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_01]: she came in calling Matt a coward and Jag a mastermind.
[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And we have nothing to do other than take her word for it.
[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause all we see are some competitions and ceremonies,
[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_01]: American blue come in with the same narrative.
[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So if Quinn is sitting in jury trying to convince, let's say,
[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_01]: chemo who gets fifth place, here's what you should do.
[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's going to fall a lot more flat than chemo coming in saying, wow,
[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_01]: cam has really taken this game by the horns.
[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that is just something we have to like flip a little bit cause it
[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_01]: makes so much logical sense.
[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Whoever's in the jury first is going to set the tone, but in a reality,
[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: that person is almost most unaware of the game going on and most susceptible
[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_01]: to influence.
[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I completely agree.
[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_04]: The idea that like being there first means anything beyond being there first.
[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think means much. I think that this came from a lot of the,
[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_04]: especially nine person juries where like half the jury knew nothing about the
[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_04]: last month and a half of the game.
[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And oftentimes the first couple of people there would start forming voting
[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_04]: blocks in the jury themselves and making like alliances in the jury,
[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_04]: like Cody being in there and making a pact against all and stuff like that.
[00:49:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. So I think that's a lot of where it comes from.
[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I think also like on survivor, it might matter more.
[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure. But but I agree.
[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I think like being there first doesn't really matter much is I think especially
[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_04]: in a seven person jury and especially in big brother where you are getting more
[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_04]: information. However,
[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_04]: I do still think that the people that tend to be the most influential on the
[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_04]: jury are people that were really well liked in the house.
[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Even if they didn't work trusted or like were targeted,
[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_04]: somebody like Quinn, a lot of people really liked Quinn.
[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And even now in the house, they're like, man, we miss Quinn.
[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_04]: He was so he's always hyping us up, like making us feel better.
[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_04]: So positive. Like the house kind of a lot more negative without Quinn around
[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_04]: reminding me of somebody like Michael,
[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_04]: who was very influential in the big brother 24 jury,
[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_04]: because he goes in there very well liked, very well respected as a player.
[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_04]: And so his opinion carries a lot of weight.
[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the same is going to be true of Quinn.
[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that like a lot of people are going to be very happy to see Quinn.
[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_04]: The energy is going to be so different than it was in the house.
[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_04]: And they're going to be like happy to hang out with him,
[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_04]: happy to talk with him and hear his thoughts on the game.
[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_04]: He's much bigger fan than most of them are.
[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's going to have a lot of strong opinions on what it means to be playing
[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_04]: a good game. And so I do think he will have some influence.
[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_04]: The question is, would he have enough influence to overturn, say,
[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_04]: like a T-Core who may also have some influence?
[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And that's where things get a little trickier.
[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_01]: The last thing I want to talk about jury management wise is people are so
[00:51:05] [SPEAKER_01]: captivated by this idea of we're going to have a trio in jury potentially,
[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're all going to be voting together. First of all,
[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's extremely unlikely because one or two of these trio members are
[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_01]: going to get like fourth or third,
[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_01]: which means they're not going to get to interact basically with the jury
[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_01]: members at all. Maybe one of them at the round table.
[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So like there's going to be less opportunity for group think in general because
[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_01]: of that. And also based on what we've seen of T-Core,
[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't imagine she's about to go in the jury and start campaigning.
[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It just seems super, it seems super unlikely.
[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think there's two types of people who go into the jury.
[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_01]: There's Corey who goes in and is trying to talk to Cam for two days about what
[00:51:44] [SPEAKER_01]: happened in the game and trying to figure out a lot and all the alliances.
[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's people like Suri who locks herself in her room and watches movies.
[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think T-Core is definitely more in that second category.
[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So like, I don't think there's going to be a voting block of three people in
[00:51:58] [SPEAKER_01]: the jury. I think there's much more outcomes than,
[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_01]: than we think from the outside.
[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just feel like people are speaking a little bit too definitively about
[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_01]: that. People should never talk definitively about juries. Yeah.
[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_04]: So, yes, they, so yeah, we'll see. We'll see what happens.
[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't really know.
[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously the best person to sit next to for anybody is,
[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_04]: is Angela right now.
[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_04]: But even that is not like the biggest slam dunk in the world.
[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it would be on other seasons at the moment because she has some of the
[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_04]: most amount of comp wins of anybody in the house.
[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_04]: So and quite frankly,
[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_04]: some of the more like impressive comp wins of anybody in the house,
[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_04]: considering she won, you might say it was a crapshoot.
[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_04]: The first HOH that she won, but it was still against a lot of other people.
[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_04]: And then she won another HOH early on that was against a lot of people.
[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And then won this, this veto recently against six other people.
[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Whereas some others in the house are counting AI arena comp wins when they
[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_04]: were up against two other people, which is like,
[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_04]: like you're like you could sit there and do nothing and still have a 33% chance
[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_01]: of winning. You know how confusing it's going to be?
[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_01]: MJ is going to be like, I have seven comp wins.
[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I won the power competition and then two AI arenas,
[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_01]: a veto, an HOH, jankies veto. Like I think again,
[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_01]: for the record books, if someone broke the comp record this season,
[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_01]: we'd have a lot of debates.
[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_04]: We need more of those. All right. Well, anything else to bring up here,
[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_01]: no, despite this week being a mess feeds wise,
[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_01]: like you know how you have the two cameras, you could BB viewer,
[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_01]: listen to one here. One, I can hear all of them all the time.
[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So this feature is not useful.
[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But the game has been very interesting for this few people left in the house.
[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm super satisfied with how much game talk we have.
[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think today's not going to disappoint either.
[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. They did do a dance for Kimo's birthday.
[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_04]: There was some drama over the Kimo birthday decorations.
[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And stuff like that.
[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But the main thing to look out for today, of course,
[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_04]: is where does Chelsea go with this information that the house is now against
[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_04]: T CORE? Will she tried to get into cams here individually?
[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Will she bring this to T CORE?
[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Will she give T CORE some tips to try to get back in place or,
[00:54:27] [SPEAKER_04]: or will she just accept this and have it go through?
[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Those are the primary questions on my mind.
[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Will T CORE on her own, go ahead and have that conversation with cam,
[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_04]: which I think could be vital to keeping her around.
[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So Terrence, do you did see, like,
[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it is kind of important to note T CORE strategy right now in terms of
[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_01]: like how she's going to pitch because she's going full emotional appeal.
[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_01]: She's going to reveal her crocheting business to cam and talk about how she has
[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_01]: so much more to give and so much more story and she's more introverted,
[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_01]: but she wants to. And I don't hate the idea.
[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like every time T CORE talks to someone about her,
[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_01]: like personal life, they just feel horrible about doing anything bad to T CORE.
[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So while I would love like, you know, the, the game analysis,
[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_01]: tell me why it's better for your game to keep me.
[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_01]: I think this has a shot of working,
[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_01]: especially when the logical appeal isn't that logical.
[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it always does because,
[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_04]: and I think part of what makes T CORE effective,
[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_04]: because I think a lot of people are struggling to figure out why T CORE is so
[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_04]: effective socially when she's not a very social person.
[00:55:37] [SPEAKER_04]: She's one of the most introverted, good social players you've seen in a while.
[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. And it's, so a lot of people are like, why, like how,
[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_04]: how does this work? I think part of it is this emotional appeal.
[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_04]: And and a lot of people,
[00:55:54] [SPEAKER_04]: when doing an emotional appeal like this,
[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_04]: they'll focus on like their story like T CORE does sometimes they'll focus on
[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_04]: like why you should feel bad if you get rid of me,
[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_04]: that like I deserve this and like all of those things are there in what T CORE is
[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_04]: pitching. But she does still have this tinge of strategy,
[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_04]: which is that like, I am sharing this with you.
[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_04]: And that makes you special to me.
[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_04]: And if you are special to me, then you're not just feeling bad for me.
[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_04]: You're not just feeling like, oh, I like T CORE.
[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_04]: You're also feeling like T CORE might actually be good for my game.
[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Like she, I'm special to her.
[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Like that she will protect me in the game.
[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_04]: She flipped a house to keep Rubina.
[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Like she is somebody that will actively protect the people that are special to
[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_04]: her. And if she's sharing these things with me,
[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_04]: then I am one of those people.
[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's a huge part of what makes T CORE effective in the strategic
[00:56:58] [SPEAKER_04]: social realm of things where a lot of other people in this position are not.
[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_04]: And even when she's like not talking to people,
[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_04]: a lot of the time and all of this stuff,
[00:57:07] [SPEAKER_04]: she's still able to make these connections and bonds.
[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Obviously there are big flaws in how T CORE plays the game.
[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_04]: That's why she's in the position she's in right now,
[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_04]: or at least part of why.
[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_04]: But if I'm trying to nail down like what does make her effective in the times
[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_04]: that she is,
[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's a big part of it is that it still has that strategic element.
[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not purely social,
[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_04]: even though it appears to be on the outside.
[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_04]: It's the unwavering power of personal game information.
[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly. Personal game information.
[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's what we have for you today.
[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I will be back tomorrow morning at 11 a.m.
[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Eastern to update everything that happens today on the big brother 26
[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_04]: live feeds, including what happens here with this vote campaign tonight.
[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Marathon Wednesdays are back and in proper marathon fashion.
[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I will be on Twitch watching the survivor premier two hours.
[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_04]: You'll get to hang out with me as we watch Asia on the episode,
[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_04]: the two hour survivor premier.
[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_04]: And then after that, after the two hours,
[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll be continuing as we watch tonight's big brother episode where we see
[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_04]: the janky veto and the T-Core nomination and all of that stuff.
[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_04]: And then after that, I'll be back here on the podcast to recap all of the
[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_04]: big brother nonsense.
[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So stay tuned for all of that.
[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_04]: If you want to hang out with us here tonight.
[00:58:38] [SPEAKER_04]: And then of course, tomorrow morning, I'll be back again.
[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So it's no breaks for me here.
[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Also, the circle just dropped another batch of episodes.
[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_04]: So we've got circle coverage coming at you.
[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_04]: We just put out the tastemakers where we talked to Kevin Jacobs about
[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_04]: him, his time with race at the TIFF film festival.
[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_04]: They watched a bunch of movies,
[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_04]: have recommendations for good movies that are coming up soon.
[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Lots of fun stuff.
[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Check it all out.
[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Corey, what are you up to?
[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, it's just, you never as a big brother fan,
[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_01]: it's always a sad day when you have to watch big brother in comparison to
[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_01]: survivor back to back.
[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It's always a tough one to stomach, but yeah,
[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I've got some stuff going on at patrion.com slash AmeriCorey.
[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_01]: We're doing all of our stuff there.
[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Big brother seven rewatch some other stuff.
[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Just interviewed Cedric.
[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm streaming on Twitch, twitch.tv slash Corey Wurtenberger.
[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of big brother, a lot of survivor stuff.
[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And of course announced yesterday, America tells all America's new golden
[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_01]: bachelorette podcast, bachelor podcast, but this season it's golden bachelorette.
[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Her first podcast is out yesterday.
[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Taryn hit number one on the Apple podcasts, TV charts.
[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So we're, we're moving places and definitely check it out on Apple podcasts
[00:59:53] [SPEAKER_01]: or our HAP YouTube.
[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. All right.
[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that is what we have for you.
[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And thank you all so much for joining us here today and I will see all of
[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_04]: you next time.