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[00:01:19] And what an episode, what an intense episode of television. We finally saw the confrontation that they cut from the feeds. Did we really see it? Did we really see all of it? They cut it from the feeds is a reason they cut it, right?
[00:01:40] But we are here to talk through it all. I'm of course your host, Teran Armstrong and with me tonight to talk through this episode. It's Mike Bloom. How you doing Mike? Teran, I am doing well.
[00:01:53] I'm not to get into and I'm ready to bite into this like a nice savory biscuit because I love biscuits. Well, also with us, I don't know if she likes biscuits, but it's Chantel. How you doing Chantel?
[00:02:10] I'm doing well. I definitely do not like biscuits as well as Mike does over here. But I'm happy. This is my first recap episode of the season. That means we're getting into the flow of things.
[00:02:19] So I'm excited to be here to talk to you about all the going on ends that happens in that house this week. Yes. All right. Well, let's get into it because.
[00:02:34] This is like going through three quarters of a roller coaster ride and being like, it's got to be done. Right? Like we're going to taxi suit and then it turns out to be like another few drops. That's what the past. It's only been two weeks.
[00:02:47] It'll be two weeks tomorrow that we've actually been in this house. And I'm sure, Karen, I'm putting words in your mouth that it's felt like 20 at this rate. Yeah. I mean, if you if you only watch the episodes, if you dip out before we get into spoilers
[00:02:59] and you are feeling like, wow, Angela in another fight, like two weeks, two fights, you missed one. There's a whole other one that they never even put in the episodes. You got a taste of it in this episode when you heard this. That wasn't just a random shot.
[00:03:22] That was there's history there. And I would imagine with the most likely Angela or Lisa going tomorrow is this something that unfortunately has to be relegated to the recap all the way at the end of the season of like, remember when Angela and Lisa really got into it
[00:03:36] and she called her tinkerbell? I mean, that's the fight where the two of them are fighting. I mean, that's the fight where they had people afterward being like, I'm kind of surprised they haven't removed Angela from the house.
[00:03:50] So who knows what happened there, but I have a feeling we're not going to we're not going to find out in any episode. Yeah, I don't think that they're going to be sharing that with us.
[00:03:59] I think it's actually past its expiration date of like when it's relevant to really say anything, especially since one of them is probably going to be leaving. So I think I don't think we're going to be seeing it. I don't you say that.
[00:04:10] But then Angela just refreshes the webpage by mocking a walk the day before. It seems like well, very well, since I went after Lisa, let me try to do this again.
[00:04:21] I feel like they can they can pretty easily just like start start the feud at any point now though, like where it's like, hey, they're on the block against each other. They're campaigning against each other and that's why we hate each other. Now I'm mocking your walk.
[00:04:36] So that's that's what would be my guess. But let's talk about this episode because of course where we left off was that Kenny, Angela and Lisa have been nominated for eviction.
[00:04:49] There was a lot of like setting things up in this episode, a lot of like explaining the various alliances and how people feel about them. We heard from Quinn.
[00:05:00] It's really like a whole segment early on from Quinn about like, here are the five alliances I'm in in order of my favorite to least. I thought we were at least getting to see this part.
[00:05:15] You know, it's not Julie at the end when someone's evicted and and shows them all the different alliances that were going on. So at least we're able to follow Quinn on his journey here on the episodes.
[00:05:25] There's like a I'd say at least a 30 percent chance that she's going to do that tomorrow. She's going to be like, look up at the screen. This is the the volunteerism or whatever the name was. This is the Pentagon. They're the people that were playing your demise.
[00:05:39] Like they love using that graphic. There's a graphics guy who needs to make his rate and so he's trying to throw together as many things as possible. Yeah. So. Importantly, we hear from Quinn and Brooklyn that they both feel like they're at the bottom of the Pentagon.
[00:05:57] And so there's a little bit of an expiration date there. And we also learn about Quinn's alliance with the Andersons, which is the have not group from week one, which includes chemo, Tucker and Cam.
[00:06:15] But then he says the the alliance he cares the most about because when he sees them, he sees home. It's chemo and T-core and they call themselves the visionaries. I love the visionaries. They feel like home to me as well. I'd want to be with that.
[00:06:34] That would be the alliance that I'd want to be connecting with, I think. Should we make a running tally of like the number of references to previous Big Brother seasons that Quinn makes? Because we already have Beat You, Zach.
[00:06:46] Now we have Look at You and See Home, which is of course a reference to the Tommy and Christy conversation. And ironically enough, this entire episode is all going to be about misinterpretations and words not being understood.
[00:06:59] He probably just watched like the last few seasons maybe really intently because like I don't ever remember those. Like when you mentioned, I'm like, oh yeah, I do remember. Like you make me feel like home.
[00:07:08] I do remember that now, but it must have been that he's watched it recently, right? Not that like he's kept that information for the last like four years. I would assume I mean when I look at USC Home is pretty classic.
[00:07:22] If he throws in like they know each other, then we'll really know. Yes. So really setting the stage for like the various alliances in the house. Pretty important because we're also kind of setting up like, is this going to blow up in Quinn's face?
[00:07:44] It seems like it could. And so I guess the question is, do you guys think it will? Well, I think I don't know yet if anybody's playing hard enough for them to like do anything about it. Even if it does blow up, like I don't see any retaliation.
[00:08:04] I don't see really anybody reforming and be like, okay, we need to like I just don't see people doing anything about it. So I think it could fall apart, but I don't think it's going to be that damaging to him.
[00:08:14] I think that he's likable enough that'll just kind of blow over. I mean, I think what we'll get into that Quinn is able to benefit from is that much like the figure Cassandra from Greek mythology,
[00:08:25] the person that is like decrying him the most is somebody who has the least amount of social clout probably in the house. Probably next to Lisa in that.
[00:08:34] Well, we can certainly talk about it with the live feeds that like were his power ever to come out for instance, some of that Angela loosely teased in this episode.
[00:08:42] It could be taken with the grains of garlic salt that Lisa apparently uses too much up in her food because it's like, well, that's just Angela. She's overly paranoid. I don't believe anything that she's saying. So I think Quinn is able to benefit from that.
[00:08:57] And I think this also goes to show why relationships do matter and that I still think he'll probably be considered as a target at some point. It feels like with this house pretty much everyone has already been talked about as some sort of threat only two weeks in.
[00:09:10] Quinn is not uncluckable, but I do think that luckily he has enough people that trust him in this moment that it doesn't necessarily feel like a be all end all for his game, especially knowing that like whatever he has expires in two weeks anyway.
[00:09:26] And then it's sort of a fair game in a manner speaking. Yeah. And so, you know, I think this was also important set up for kind of the story of this episode where we are then going to see a bit more set up,
[00:09:43] which is that we still have kind of like the three C's within the Pentagon, at least at this point in time. And and they're going to be talking and then T core joins them. And they're kind of kind of loosely just talking about working together.
[00:10:02] Now, this is not anything like super special in terms of like the amount of times groups of people are talking about working together. This is a loose grouping of people in the same way that there are like 15 other loose groupings of people.
[00:10:21] And Angela notices them, which is also not that special this season. She notices them in the same way that she has noticed about 50 different groups of people talking basically from night one on the feeds, which was really night three.
[00:10:42] Angela has been extremely paranoid about any group of people who are talking. She thinks they're conspiring against her. She thinks that the whole house is always working by the 21 references tonight. And so I will give you my interpretation, my read on the situation,
[00:11:03] which is that of course, Angela went to Quinn to say, Hey, go look out the window. That's the group. Not to say that we should work with, but to say that's the group they're working together. Do I think that there were racial undertones to that that that grouping?
[00:11:23] It's always possible. But what we do know from the context is that she has basically done that with like a billion different groupings of people. This is a very common practice for Angela.
[00:11:38] And so I think from my perspective, at least in the amount that this could be sort of like an innocent like pointing out of a group of people, it seems like it probably would be from this point at this point, I should say.
[00:11:57] But of course, when T-Core hears about it, she is incredibly valid in feeling like this could be something like this could be something that would make me feel uncomfortable. This is like, Hey, there the four black people were hanging out and Angela said, This is the group.
[00:12:20] Of course, T-Core doesn't have the context of like Angela doing this to every single grouping of people.
[00:12:25] And even if she did, like there's still a valid feeling there that is like, Hey, this is something that has happened to me before that we've seen on the show before plenty of times. And T-Core should feel comfortable expressing this feeling that she is having, I think.
[00:12:46] And so this is what we're seeing here in the episode that we see this whole scenario play out in front of us. And I'm not sure if T-Core was already saying this in the diary or not, or they just put it in after to match it up.
[00:12:58] But I am sure that they did have those conversations that like maybe we don't want this to be misconstrued as something else. They're going to be hyper aware of them grouping together for the fear of somebody misconstruing what's happening.
[00:13:13] Yeah, they said it at the hammocks, right? Of just like, Hey, T-Core even warns them in person. Like, just so you know, you never know when these types of things might happen. And obviously it's things like season 23 and 24 will be outright mentioned later on during the confrontation.
[00:13:26] And so it just for me, like I totally understand where T-Core is coming from and wanting to just address it.
[00:13:33] I don't think that she was coming to Angela in a way that was accusatory at all, but just kind of saying like, Hey, just comments like that might make us perceive it this way.
[00:13:43] And just so you're aware of the things that you say and how they can be. And then I just, I was just so frustrated with how Angela took it on herself to become the victim now of this misunderstanding,
[00:13:55] especially when T-Core was being so graceful with how she was approaching approaching the situation.
[00:14:01] So I was, I was very like just kind of upset with how Angela handled it because I thought that T-Core gave her a lot of grace that I don't know if I would have been as generous.
[00:14:11] Oh yeah. Like the patience she had to approach her and you can track her. I mean, obviously there's a lot to pay attention to over the course of that bathroom confrontation.
[00:14:20] But when the umpteen time you watch it like watch T-Core because you can see her just like slowly get wound up more and more that she tries to come in with this calming presence that she's brought to the past 14 days of the house.
[00:14:35] And she's trying to bring it down and just have her realize like I know you probably don't mean this this way. But there are implications that might happen if you do it a certain way. And Angela has the most adverse reaction to it.
[00:14:52] I mean, that's the thing is that there's so many thoughts about this. I mean, I would say that when it came to this entire situation, it really goes to show that when you assume you make an ass out of you and me.
[00:15:05] And then I think on multiple sides, it was Angela assuming that the sentence was, hey Quinn, this is the group in parentheses that we should work with.
[00:15:14] Not realizing that as has been proven the case over the past fortnight, nobody thinks in the same train of thought that Angela does. She's going in a completely different direction on the hot mess express than everybody else.
[00:15:28] And then Quinn sort of takes that and then makes it to assume that and we can certainly talk about this as well as to whether or not he was knowing that it would stir the pot in that way,
[00:15:38] or whether or not he was just trying to kind of turn everyone against Angela in that moment or get T-Core to warn Angela like, hey, we're cool. Don't worry about it.
[00:15:48] But regardless, it was that lack of clarity as well and the two of them getting on the same page that both of them kind of like made eye contact and took the same comment into completely different ways.
[00:15:59] And as a result, it led it led to what ended up being a giant explosion from Angela. Yeah, just having the exact wrong reaction you would in this type of interaction.
[00:16:11] Yeah. So I mean, I can again, I can give you my perspective on like the way that I took it when like when I hear especially watching it play out in this episode, like.
[00:16:22] There's not really an ounce of me that feels like she was saying this is the group I want to work with. Like that was not the context of what she was doing.
[00:16:30] And for her to be like, it's so wild of you to even think that I would be saying anything. I didn't say the words that you're saying. Like, of course he's going to think that that's the obvious implication that like, why else would you be like?
[00:16:47] Oh, look, go look out the way like if you were like, hey, these are the people I want to work with. Why wouldn't you say, hey, I want to work with T-Core, Cam, Cedric and Chelsea. I really would like to work with those people.
[00:16:59] Why would you be like, oh, look out the window. Like, that's the group. Like that's such a weird way to approach that. And it's not a way that she's ever really approached that situation before. It's just it's a weird thing.
[00:17:11] Still, I don't, I don't again, I don't think that she was trying to be malicious about it. I think that she was just being typical Angela paranoid self in the game. But I think that once this was brought up, again, this is purely my speculation.
[00:17:28] I felt to me like she was trying to retroactively justify the situation and defend herself. Obviously, she's not going to like, maybe she might not have like the awareness to be like, listen, I'm extremely paranoid and I think that about every single group.
[00:17:44] Like instead, the defense she came up with was a little bit less sensical. And it was a bit more like, well, no, I was, I was, you can't prove because I was theoretically saying that we could work with them. And so, yeah, a low budget cover story is.
[00:18:00] That's how I felt in addition to that. Having watched this on the feeds, especially, I don't think for a second that Quinn had any idea what he was saying to T core in the moment when he was saying it to T core.
[00:18:20] I don't think he had any idea of what the implications could be until the conversation in the bathroom with Angela and T core. He, I do not think had any intention of like stirring this up or causing this to happen.
[00:18:36] The conversation outside in the backyard that night was like they were just generally talking about Angela's paranoia. And this was like, oh, speaking of it, you'll never believe what she did earlier. She was pointing out this group and I'm like, yo, we want to work with these people.
[00:18:58] Why are you being like this? So, like he was certainly like piling on to Angela's paranoia, but I do not believe that he was trying to be like, hey, T core, you'll never believe how racist Angela is for pointing out this group.
[00:19:14] I don't think he recognized that angle of it from my perspective.
[00:19:21] And what I think is really interesting about all of it is that there's so much, you know, when somebody was a people can interpret interpret things that are happening within the house that could have these racial implications that they're completely oblivious about.
[00:19:35] But the people that are, you know, someone like me if I was in the house, I would be hyper aware of certain situations like this.
[00:19:42] And so I think it's, you know, one of the reasons why I enjoy reality TV and in this being a social experience experiment is that people get to see, oh my God, like, I didn't realize that me doing that could have these implications
[00:19:55] and that this person might feel this way about the things that I'm doing. And so I think it was a really big learning experience definitely for Quinn and for Angela just for how that they perceive things and how they share things in the world and obviously in the house right now.
[00:20:08] So, it has a positive benefit I think later on is even people watching it will be like, wow, like I really wouldn't have thought that that would have bothered a group of people that weren't necessarily working together that are all at the same race.
[00:20:21] But now I might be a little bit more aware of that in the future. Like it's the lack of awareness that I'm shocked by, but you know, there's people in this world that aren't really seeing everything.
[00:20:30] And look what I will say is that again, I think Angela handled this pretty much the textbook definition of how to not handle this which was to make it immediately and incredibly all about herself in the moment where when T.
[00:20:44] And so she comes in again comes in just saying, hey, this is the way it could have come across. She immediately interrupts her and says, oh, don't bring that up, which again on paper is a bad thing to say in more than on paper.
[00:20:57] But she does end up you know, when we can talk about that that apology scene later on where the two of them reconcile what I am intrigued by is that, you know, obviously I think there were some thoughts about implications on the fan bases and based on the fact that we got so much cut out
[00:21:11] basically every time a confrontation like this was mentioned on the feeds. For a while though, you have the ours from people like Cedric, like Chelsea being like, Oh, Angela is correctly clocking that three fifths of the
[00:21:27] Pentagon are here that the three core members of the Pentagon, the three C's are together. That's something that I want to nip in the bud. And so again, I think it is interesting and I think incredibly validating that they do eventually T.
[00:21:40] Core does bring up again the implications behind everything but I'll admit for a while I thought like after maybe some some editing that definitely painted Angela as somebody that was you know, tearing into somebody like Matt and maybe office skating some of the stuff that he was doing in the first
[00:21:56] week. It was an interesting way to see people maybe for one of the first times in this game clock in the DR like, Oh no, Angela is on to us.
[00:22:05] Well yeah, I mean, I think like the thing about this too is that and I think this is like a really important point to get across which is that they intentionally cut all of this as much as possible from the feeds so that they could craft the narrative that they wanted the most in their in their episode.
[00:22:26] And so given how they handled the Luke situation last year, the Kyle situation prior to that it is not surprising to me at all that they have an abundance of diary rooms that's that are like, Well she's right though.
[00:22:41] Because they, I think will go out of their way to try to justify as much as possible. And and and sort of like sterilize as much as possible because they don't love getting into the nitty gritty of these kinds of situations for sure.
[00:23:02] And and I think that's why they're hiding the reality of what happened, and instead showing their version of what happened because what we saw is not the reality it was an edit.
[00:23:13] And we have already seen plenty of times this season, just how easily an edit can be manipulated. And I also think that with Angela, I think that you know with her reaction, I think that she's probably in that diarum a lot being like this is like my life.
[00:23:29] This is my family like I can't be I can't be looking like that I'm racist like you know I think that she might have gone on and in the diarum about how she was going to be perceived.
[00:23:37] And maybe they made some maybe she was threatening to quit or something like that. So maybe they made some sort of concessions that I'm like, OK, you know what? Like if there's anything talked about it, we will we will protect you here.
[00:23:48] And so that could have also been an agreement that was made with Angela. Because I was like, yes, I do agree that they want to like shape the narrative. But I think also they were maybe trying to protect Angela a little bit just because of her reaction.
[00:24:01] It must have been quite as big in the diarum as well. Yeah. And you know, I've been trying to like correct this for myself is like, I don't think that they care about Angela at all. I don't think they're protecting Angela.
[00:24:15] I think they are very much just protecting themselves in terms of like. Although the person protecting Angela the most is Angela's employer when she removed her information from. Right.
[00:24:26] Like if they cared about protecting Angela, they wouldn't have edited her to be the way that she was the previous week when she was getting calls to her. And so she had to work because of the edit that she received in the edit that Matt received.
[00:24:39] The reason that they're maybe quote unquote protecting Angela in this circumstance is because it impacts them, not because it impacts her. So I kind of put on my best T-core hat on right now and be generous with production. OK.
[00:24:55] Yes. I mean, so kind of like this was a classic demonstration of like white fragility and the ways in which like somebody like T-core who is just trying to as Sean tell you pointed out very gracefully sort of explain the situation.
[00:25:17] Just I guess like just like try to like wrap your head around the idea that like T-core just feels a way about a thing that happened in the house.
[00:25:26] She wants to be able to just like talk about it with some of her friends and allies in the house. And and then it gets back to Angela and it blows up into a massive thing.
[00:25:41] And T-core is just trying to explain like this does not have to be a massive thing. It's just a feeling that I had and the second she starts to bring that up. Angela. Whoa. No, don't even don't even bring that up.
[00:25:56] Don't even bring that into this. No, no. And it's just like it's so invalidating for T-core's experience and the and her feelings and what she's trying to get across.
[00:26:10] Because it's it's just all about Angela and and she is not willing to like accept the conversation to and have the conversation. It's not this like binary process of like I am not racist.
[00:26:25] Therefore your feelings are invalid and this should not even be brought up as a topic of conversation. Like that's just a wild thing to do to somebody because it again just completely ignores their experience.
[00:26:39] And like it's okay to have this conversation and and you could see T-core getting increasingly frustrated as she continually got shut down in that moment.
[00:26:50] And then later she's in the backyard and this is where this is like where like really is frustrating to watch because it's like T-core's like now I feel guilty for bringing this up.
[00:26:59] And that happens extremely often that like people are villainized for just wanting to have the conversation, not even trying to like accuse anybody of anything just expressing their own feelings about their own experience.
[00:27:15] And then they are the bad guy because they they brought this accusation to the table. Don't you know what this could make somebody look like? Don't you know the gravity of these kinds of words and accusations? Like yeah, they're my life.
[00:27:28] Like she she approached the situation in my opinion the best way possible and was given one of the worst responses possible. You don't think being like I like you Cedric was a good response. That was an entire other level.
[00:27:42] Imagine this sweet summer child little Cedric just hanging out in the kitchen and Angela comes tearing out like a bullet being like if anyone wants to ask if I see you in a group, I don't think you're racist. And they're like what are you talking about?
[00:28:00] And then she does like the Billy Madison and grabs Cedric. It says I would never ever do that. And from my perspective and maybe it's Cedric Copp and make it miss him. I don't know, but I saw like a hint of a smile.
[00:28:15] I saw like a little bit of him being like what the hell is going on right now because again this is unprompted. I don't believe that T-Core like T-Core rocked straight out to the backyard.
[00:28:26] She would not really inform anybody about outside of the people in the backyard about like what exactly was happening. So Cedric is just standing there out of context trying to I don't know whip up a meringue or something.
[00:28:36] And here comes Angela cooking something else up and just falling into him. And he's just kind of patterning on the back saying they're there. I have no idea what's going on. Yeah, that was wild when she grabs Cedric and it's just like but I love you.
[00:28:55] You know that. You know that I couldn't possibly. I know you do. I know you do. Oh boy, it was it was bad. It was bad. And then has she never like just been in an environment with like more than maybe one or two black people?
[00:29:17] Like I just it's just it's wild to me that she hasn't had this type of conversation with anybody before. Like I would just want to assume you're in your fifties. You have children like you would have had this experience or had to talk about this experience.
[00:29:30] Like even your your children might have had something similar happen at school and have the conversation at the dinner table about like, oh, this is what you know it is. It's shocking to me that the conversations hasn't happened before for her to realize the implications of her words.
[00:29:44] It's it's an early reaction. Like it's just so innate. Yeah, what's wrong with Angela? I mean, it really is to me that Angela the big brother house has made her think in a different font where it's like the word she's talking about.
[00:29:59] The words she's typing out still feel like it makes sense from her own perspective, but she is choosing the weirdest way to express it. And she came out with a full like 72 point papyrus falling over Cedric screaming like I would never ever do that to you.
[00:30:18] I love you. Don't you love me, Quinn? You're breaking my heart. You're eating me and I'm not eating. And it seems like again, the the essence of the message gets lost when the font choices are the first thing that people see. Okay.
[00:30:36] I just get your train of thought. Yes. So she she goes to the diary room and she comes back and and it did. It felt like a complete 180 to me that she was immediately able to then sort of like explain like, listen, I wasn't thinking about your feelings.
[00:30:56] I was dismissing you, T-Corps and I'm really sorry. And so I know because I was watching this on Twitch and there was I had a chat.
[00:31:06] The chat was filled with production talk to her production coached her so on and so forth to which I was like, it does. It does kind of feel that way.
[00:31:17] But then but then I was kind of thinking like, okay, is it is it a terrible thing if they talked to her in the diary room and they kind of explain the situation and why she was wrong and that she should go apologize? Like, I don't know.
[00:31:32] I kind of feel like it's better than certainly better than nothing right? Certainly better than, hey, you are totally right, Angela. Stay strong, you know, I'm curious. So remember there's they were going to be starting doing those trainings before the season?
[00:31:45] Like what what goes on in those trainings? Are they still happening? Was it maybe somebody that's familiar with like racial biases and all that stuff that was speaking during the diary room? Maybe like, I want to know more about these trainings because she obviously wasn't paying attention. Yeah.
[00:32:01] And maybe it doesn't matter isn't the right way to say it, but like, like is it is it bad? If it like it's I think it's better than than nothing.
[00:32:11] If it was if it was theoretically coached or like explained to her, I think it's better that they are explaining these things. It's like on the fly training.
[00:32:21] If the if the initial stuff didn't stick, I would rather this happen and Angela goes and apologizes to T-Corps and gives T-Corps some feeling of like, oh, thank God, I just had got like this apology that I needed versus like, like throwing it under the rock.
[00:32:37] Or pretending it doesn't exist or worse and so on and so forth. So like, you know, like, like does Angela fully understand and mean the apology? I don't know. It's like it's not really about her to be honest.
[00:32:52] I'm just happy that the T-Corps was able to get some kind of apology and that hopefully Angela won't be doing something like that again in the future.
[00:33:00] Yeah, I would agree with that personally and look, I understand that some people might think like, oh, is that too much interfering with the T-Corps?
[00:33:07] I'm not sure if that's the case with the game that production might step in and say, hey, you might want to resolve this situation. But I don't know.
[00:33:14] To me, these are moments that can be construed as representing something larger than yourself and something larger than even the game that you are playing where you dress up like a nerd and stack O's and one's on top of each other for $750,000.
[00:33:30] I think for me, the lesson of and look, I am praying for anybody who actually watches Big Brother to take life lessons away from.
[00:33:38] But what I would say is that at least to me teaches the value of apologizing when you're wrong or when you feel like you've done something wrong. And again, it feels like the bare minimum.
[00:33:49] But to be candid looking at society today, I think it's a lesson that a lot of people need to remember and take as well that immediately jumping to defensiveness is oftentimes not the correct path to do.
[00:34:03] And it is being able to digest someone else's opinion, see their perspective and then be able to approach it from a calm perspective and apologize as well. I think is a way to ideally look at these types of situations.
[00:34:17] And so it made me feel better in the moment to have that approached.
[00:34:21] But I do understand from other people's perspectives, if they want a little bit more of that, that verisimilitude to the situation, how they might feel like it was something that was kind of shoehorned in there just to tie a bow onto it before moving on,
[00:34:35] which I think is perfectly understandable. And because I just think about like season eight when Jamika is bringing up a situation to Evil Dick about like he said like starving kids in Africa. And she was like, well, you know, there's not just starving kids in Africa.
[00:34:56] There's starving kids in other places too. And he took offense to this, like are you calling me racist? And the way that that was edited into the episodes was like this thing where then they talked and Evil Dick is actually a hero because he eventually understood her point
[00:35:18] and understood why it might be difficult to be on the show. Never really went into like, hey, that kind of sucked for her in that moment.
[00:35:28] That like she was immediately like just bringing something up now has to defend herself like she's the bad guy for bringing up that up in the first place.
[00:35:38] And so, you know, I just think that like there's a world where this is portrayed like Angela is completely in the right and she should be offended for this having for this being brought up. And I think luckily we are not in that world.
[00:35:54] And so maybe the bar is low, but like, I'm happy that like the message of this segment is that Angela was wrong for responding in that way.
[00:36:06] I wonder like why she responds in that way and like, we know that she's obviously a little bit unhinged and that like she's very reactionary and she kind of does and speaks before she really thinks about things.
[00:36:19] But I just wonder why her first reaction is the defensive mode and and is to justify and is to not listen to the other person like I'm just what like what is that actually because that's what I'm more curious about because I don't think it was, you know,
[00:36:36] solved or cured with whatever conversation she had in the dire room and even saying that the apology to T core. But why is she automatically getting defensive with something and the way that should let T core was coming at it with such a kind manner. I'm just curious.
[00:36:51] Yeah, I mean, I think that this sort of thing has been weaponized demonized so much like cancel culture and like hey you'd better be really careful if you're going to be talking about this stuff because you will be canceled until the end of time.
[00:37:07] And like hey it's really reasonable for somebody to be really worried about these things because because the reality is that like a lot of people don't want to talk about these things and so they want to build this up as something that shouldn't be talked about or you know you should only really
[00:37:26] ever bring this up unless you unless you have absolute proof like unless you can prove in a court of law that this person is racist you should never even use any terms related to race because then you are playing the race card and you are using using races a weapon or whatever the case may be.
[00:37:43] And like they should just be conversations and I think that anybody that is used to having conversations about race recognizes that they are just conversations and you don't have to be that scared because you're not going to just like, you know, get hit by the cancel bullet.
[00:38:02] And so I think that that is built up as a way intentionally or not to put fear into people to prevent them from talking about these things and to and to invalidate the experiences so that so that black people and other people who experience these kinds of issues feel less comfortable bringing their own issues up because hey it's a very serious matter and you should be very careful about bringing about talking about these things.
[00:38:28] I mean, I think also as well, Angel has kind of been simmering in a pot of paranoia to where even from like an outside of a very cultural perspective as this brings in she has consistently thought that the entire house has been out to get her.
[00:38:42] This was the icing on top of this cake of okay everyone's working against you and now you're being accused of racism that I think caused.
[00:38:53] I mean it's really tough to pick from what we've seen her biggest meltdown yet but I think certainly the one that had some of the biggest again we keep going back to this word implications in terms of the way that she reacted and I would imagine her certainly jumping to how does this reflect on me outside of the house as well.
[00:39:13] Well, that's what we that's part of what we didn't see on the live feed.
[00:39:21] We talk quite a bit of it though I was just kind of like okay I kind of saw most of this to be fair but it really does make me worried about like what's not really happened.
[00:39:34] So we see that and I guess one more thing on the Quinn situation to where it's like and obviously like I don't know for sure where Quinn is at and all of this I can give you my interpretation based on what I saw on the live feeds.
[00:39:51] I personally did not take from the diary room session that he was like giddy about this situation or that he was knowingly causing this specific conversation to happen.
[00:40:03] I more took from it that like he was admitting like this is kind of my fault I was scheming when I told this to T core, not from a racial side of things but just from a game perspective and also of course it's not like as soon as Angela left the room he was giggling in the room.
[00:40:21] He was like kind of giggling in the diary room which could have been days later. He could have been talking about a different situation like this is how edits work.
[00:40:31] So, you know, and if that was what he meant like that's that's kind of weird but it's just personally not how I immediately interpreted it and I think we have to recognize again that in an edit things can feel a certain way based on how it's portrayed.
[00:40:48] Yeah, I kind of agree with you with my feelings towards how his intentions when he said it like yeah maybe being a little bit mischievous and like ooh let's like you know, like put a separation between Angela and T core who's like one of my closer allies.
[00:41:03] I think it was more along more game wise and also didn't realize the implications of what he was actually starting using nighting like a big fire here with just how he shared this information that it's circling back to Angela. Yeah, and for the fourth.
[00:41:21] Maybe should have maybe should have thought about it. Yeah, you know what I mean like maybe wouldn't hurt to maybe realize the implications of what you were saying.
[00:41:28] Which is an important lesson to learn as well. I think that I don't think either Angela or Quinn are bad people but that doesn't mean that they necessarily were completely behaving in the right as well and that's what is messy about us as a species and that is what's messy about conversations like this but the important thing is that we're given the space and the airtime to allow conversations like this to happen.
[00:41:53] I'm glad that it eventually was shown before us to your point, Teran. Is it something that we saw completely uncut, you know, completely in context? No, but something is better than nothing here and I'm happy that it led to at least in my opinion experiencing this.
[00:42:10] I don't know people in the chat agree. I think a really fruitful conversation about these types of things and I'm sure it's going to be far from the last conversation about these, you know for the rest of reality TV history.
[00:42:20] All right. Well, we did also have a veto competition.
[00:42:25] It was eight minutes long. This is wild like thank thank goodness that you know the house provides so much drama that basically it's it prevents big brother from doing what they like to do and stuffing two segments worth of veto competition into one episode.
[00:42:42] Yeah. And not only was it like a shorter competition, but there was a distinct difference in this competition how it worked from like honestly years of this pretty much this specific competition being played out.
[00:43:00] And some people might have noticed it. Some people might not have noticed it, but like there's no running right? Yeah. No running. How this competition normally plays out is that you have to run back and forth hitting like a button to reset a timer or, you know,
[00:43:19] So you're putting this as like a take on the rock on the rocking horse back and forth 50 times and then place your little starfish to line them up. Is that like what you're considering a take on that?
[00:43:29] Exactly. And then build a thing and use all of the pieces and so on and so forth. Right. That is usually how this competition is run. But in this version of it, they were all just standing there working on a very difficult stacking challenge.
[00:43:49] And on top of the fact that all of these competitions have been much better than they normally are, it this to me was like a big indication that like there's there's a good shot. They actually kind of listened. Maybe there's somebody new on the team.
[00:44:08] Like maybe they're just like, Hey, like I think we need to change these and make it more equitable for everybody to be able to win all competitions.
[00:44:15] I'm not being like, Oh, let's get this really strong fit guy to do the veto because they're going to probably win because it's going to be something that you need to be athletic for. So maybe there's a new person on the team.
[00:44:27] Well, I mean, you hire what I will say is I don't know how hot this tea is, but I do believe for reindeer games, they did. They did maybe grab a little from the survivor challenge crew side of things considering that they were in their off season.
[00:44:43] And I don't believe they were working on this season, obviously because they were probably still, you know, finishing things up or in the middle of shooting at the time that all this planning was going on.
[00:44:52] But what I will say is this does not feel terribly dissimilar to me from a survivor challenge from the classic card stacking, which again is quite stationary.
[00:45:01] I think it goes to show that maybe the age of like big brother investing in spectacle first, perhaps over substance when it comes to challenges might be on its way out. I hope so. I know, I know. We did 25 up to season 25 now season 26.
[00:45:19] We're just going in a new direction. That's like kind of back to how it used to be back to the beginning. Yes. And so ultimately this will this looked very hard with the like a little doughnutty looking discs.
[00:45:32] Yeah, though, can I just say like has have these producers ever seen a number one in their life in the world? Were these ones these were the most thick ass ones I've ever seen in my life. The O's I got the ones I was out on.
[00:45:46] Yeah, I think I don't remember who made the comment. But I was like, oh wait, one's an O's like I was like, I didn't I didn't see it. I agree. It was squares and circles. Yes.
[00:46:00] Well, ultimately we saw that Kenny comes out the winner and he has something to say. I'm a fighter. I'm a winner and I'm not going nowhere. Kenny. I mean, that's classic Kenny. He's a fighter. He's a winner and he's not going nowhere. Of course he is. Kenny.
[00:46:22] Gotta love him. I mean, this this man, this this guy is just his his hairstyle flips as much as his volition to stay in this game. I wonder when they're if they're going to ever show the real Kenny, you know, I wonder.
[00:46:43] What is the real Kenny to you? We'll get to it probably later on. Yeah, I mean that's I mean that's the thing. It's like I'm talking about edits. What's happening here? Maybe it's like Kenny's like a Kaiser so they type that once he walks into the D.R.
[00:47:04] That entire routine the sad sack hood up persona that he had in the cast completely drops and like this is sweet. Kenny K. This is who he truly is and he's just putting on a ruse the entire time. He's sandbagging at this point.
[00:47:18] He's going to let everyone believe like my heart's not in it. I got my family back home. Matt's such a good kid and then it gets to the end and he unmasked himself. In fact, he's wearing a bald cap this entire time. He pulls it off.
[00:47:30] He had a full head of hair and he shows that listen, he was cooking something up beside sausages this season.
[00:47:40] I mean, listen, you joke about this, but I guarantee you if Kenny continues to stay in the game at some point he is going to claim this was all strategy and it's going to be a lie.
[00:47:52] But some people, especially if they only watch the show are going to believe it. Dr. Will strategy. Yeah. Okay. Well, Kenny won the video that of course means that as Chelsea laments she will need to make another decision.
[00:48:10] And luckily for her, Tucker has a solution to her problem, which from our perspective immediately follows up whatever the hell just spilled over into the kitchen of Angela throwing herself at Cedric. That all kind of simmers out and Tucker's like, I got an idea. You it's okay.
[00:48:32] Yeah, I can do it. You got me. It's like no neck. 45 degree angle, like I see it. I see it. I got it. I'm good. Tuck in. Tuck me in on the block. You better not tell me about your power. That's a big mistake. I got you.
[00:48:58] He's trying to be like Colombo. One more thing. I got an extra vote. We got to do a twist to a bigger. The more you get, the more you get, the bigger the takeover.
[00:49:10] You know, I feel like the fear is just what a wild way to end that sequence too of like again, so much heightened emotions and dr s like, all right. Now's my chance. I just throw me up.
[00:49:27] So like an also he said it was like the what a chivalrous move for the house that's so. And there was probably more that was happened that we didn't see with the whole Angela T Court, that whole situation.
[00:49:39] And so he did see from what they showed us that he was being chivalrous and it was less like terrible game room. You're an idiot. A little bit a little bit less, a little bit less. Could it be that because Tucker was it was like, no, absolutely not.
[00:49:54] Because there were other people that were perfectly willing to go on the block. Tucker, because he was in the kitchen, he was consistently reminded of his hatred of Lisa. And so like you mentioned it before on the updates here and this is big dust and energy, right?
[00:50:09] Of like, I will be her down. Yes. I will deliver the killing blow onto Lisa and I will be the last thing she sees. She'll look to me on Thursday night as she watches her hopes and dreams get
[00:50:20] flushed away like the glitter out of my system that she put in my food. And so I do think he lived by the petty. You die by the petty when it comes to Tucker. And so I do think honestly, that might be a large reason why he decided
[00:50:34] to throw himself up here. OK, I know he's being petty, but he really believes that she has a power. What if that power is that she can take herself off the block and send whoever she wants home? Like, he has no idea what the power could do.
[00:50:47] And so putting himself at harm's way in when he thinks that she has the power is quite it. That's pettyness like really just glazing him over. And he's not really seeing that he could be actually out of the game. Yeah, I hate it. I don't like it.
[00:51:03] We volunteer for the block like this, especially post veto. Like, that's why, like, that's especially wild. But it's only because of that comp. I think is that why people feel so confident in this.
[00:51:15] Right. I mean, sitting up there, I could beat these two women and get off the block. Right. That's the thing that's interesting is that we have kind of because of the arena accelerated the definition of pawn where it is less so like, oh, you'll survive the eviction vote.
[00:51:27] And now it's become, well, you're most likely to win the competition before. So it's almost like a reverse backdoor where it's like, I'm going to put you up so you can win the veto or win the arena so that you probably will sit there.
[00:51:39] Though again, you I don't know how you watch that first a arena competition and maybe the thing is that the majority of them didn't. So they didn't necessarily see that it was pretty much like a walk through an art gallery and a Q&A afterwards.
[00:51:52] But I wouldn't necessarily think Tucker is a shock pick to win if it's anything like the last one. Certainly. No, the last one was wasn't great, though. I mean, yeah, Tucker has some great observational skills. Yeah, so I think he would crush that competition, actually.
[00:52:13] Yeah, I am in the CIA. It's those things as well. And it's wild because there's so much talk about again, maybe we'll get into the live beats about how like Lisa and Angela are committing two of the biggest cases of self-sabotage.
[00:52:28] I think I've seen it quite some time in Big Brother History. Tucker is like behind in lane five in this swimming race, but like not terribly far considering that again, I believe this is still post veto. He's in the shower. He's just like Pauli Califiori style.
[00:52:43] Like I decided to rattle McKenzie by being like, hey, do you have a power? You have a power. It worked. But what if that's also like, hey, my power is I get to cast the soul vote to a bit and buy by Tucker.
[00:53:02] Yeah, she really she folded really quickly. I think she's just been wanting to talk to somebody about it because she just was like a little little little little little. Like and she's trying to say everything. And then with her not saying everything,
[00:53:13] then she starts seeing a little bit more and then a little bit more. But then just like does it completely just tell everything that it does being kind of cagey about it? But he got he got enough information out of her for sure.
[00:53:24] Yeah, they really like portrayed this to be a big mistake in the episode because Tucker is like, hey, she really screwed up telling me. But like the reality is a bunch of people knew already and people knowing about this is actually kind of a good thing for her
[00:53:40] because it dissuades them from putting her on the block in the first place. And I don't know that she was necessarily thinking of it this way. But I do know that like, if you know that you've told a couple of people, you have a good feeling that like.
[00:53:57] A few at least a few people in this house know I have a power and then somebody else comes up to me and they say, listen, I know you have a power like there's a good chance they've been told that you have the power
[00:54:12] and that they already know and that if you lie to them, you're just. You're just like making the relationship with that person worse. And so I don't hate the idea of just kind of being like, yeah, you're right. I trust you, Tucker.
[00:54:27] You know, it's just it's just unfortunate for M.J. that it was Tucker she was talking to and not most other people. Right, because this guy is I mean, it's it's what these powers have done to the house is so incredibly interesting.
[00:54:40] And I understand people on the one hand being like, I wish these powers were secret so it could be the face crack of the century when they get used, but I love it. I'd love when when, you know, advantages are something that are not
[00:54:51] restricted to not being able to tell anybody just because information is currency in any of these social strategy games. But it's so much fun because this is like textbook mafia where we'll flood on the clock tower, right? We're like, Tucker is convinced as all dead out.
[00:55:08] He can have a tattooed on his body at this point that Lisa has a power and nothing will dissuade him from that. Not Angela coming to him and saying that Lisa doesn't have a power and that Quinn does even describing the power, not McKenzie
[00:55:21] saying that she has a power, but it's not a double vote. Tucker has written in permanent ink this idea of exactly what his narrative is. And he is not deviating from it whatsoever. Yeah, if he was on the traders, he'd be a faithful that they would just
[00:55:34] drag to the end because he would not be pointing out who the actual traders would be. So, yeah, on the traders would be so bad. He's so good. All right. Well, you stepped on my shoe, so that's given pretty. He'd vote somebody out.
[00:55:52] They'd stand on the thing and be like, I was faithful. And then he'd go back the next day and be like, so they were lying, right? When are they going to walk out and be like, surprise, I'm a trader. So so ultimately, even though they discuss briefly,
[00:56:12] putting McKenzie on the block and flushing the power, Chelsea decides no, the safer place to just put Tucker up on the block. And so Tucker will join Lisa and Angela on the block. And tomorrow night, the three of them will compete in the AI arena
[00:56:28] to see which of them will come off the block. And then they will see which of them goes home. Yeah, then that's the thing to mention it before about the power that McKenzie had.
[00:56:36] I mean, to me, it's not a complete one to one with the super idol from survivor. But to me, it's comparable in that most of the time the prevailing strategy is to tell people about it just because it's like
[00:56:49] this idea of flushing advantages, idols, powers is tough to do, especially with this guarantee from McKenzie's perspective of like, I am safe no matter what. Like if you put me up, then I use it and I'm safe another week.
[00:57:03] And in a game like Big Brother where feasibly anybody could win power, Chelsea, I think comes in with the correct perspective of like, yeah, do I really want to cause an enemy that can immediately win HOH the next week and be like, who should I go after?
[00:57:14] How about the person that purposely put me up just to flush my power? Not only that, the good news is that this power refers to like the big spooky gods of the Big Brother religion, which is America.
[00:57:28] It's not this idea of, oh, the HOH can nominate someone or I can nominate someone. This isn't a diamond power of veto. There is a huge unknown in that it now relies on how popular do you think you are to the audience?
[00:57:40] How do you think you're coming across? And do you want to make a surefire bet that you think someone that's close to you or even yourself won't go up just based on, well, this is how I think we're being perceived in the house right now.
[00:57:54] But they still have the AI arena. So like, it doesn't even matter because even if they get put up by America, they can just take themselves off the block. So yeah. Yeah. OK, well, anything else from the episode that we should talk about?
[00:58:14] All right. I don't think so. Well, let's get into some spoilers then. Let's talk about spoilers. The Office of Civil Defense has issued the following message. This is a spoiler. Warning. A spoiler. Warning means that an actual spoiler against this country has been detected
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[00:58:50] Final day. But let's talk about. Let's talk about some spoilers. Actually, I love much to talk about. The main thing to talk about, I think the kind of cliffhanger of this episode is that Angela talked about, am I going to reveal Quinn's power?
[00:59:13] And the answer to that question was, yes, she is going to reveal his power. She said, I only want to benefits my game. Now, the irony of that statement is talk about this already.
[00:59:26] The irony of that statement is one of the main reasons why everyone wants Lisa out is because they think she has a power. Now, Angela was told like day two or something that Quinn has this power. Angela also theoretically knows
[00:59:44] that one power was given out per group of eight houseguests that entered the game. She also theoretically knows that Lisa was in the same group as Quinn, but for whatever reason, in the two weeks that she has known that Quinn has had this power,
[00:59:59] she has not made the connection that both Quinn and Lisa cannot have powers at the same time. So she still believes that they might still both have powers. In addition to that, she also doesn't seem to realize that if she tells
[01:00:17] people that Quinn has the power, they will then realize, oh, so Lisa doesn't have the power and therefore maybe doesn't need to go this week. And if Lisa is not going this week, Angela is going this week. Yeah, it's it's wild that she hasn't put that together
[01:00:37] because it wasn't that many people playing these competitions. Like it's not it's not like, oh, you have to really, really extract all this information to come up with this conclusion. It's like there's like like four people or three other.
[01:00:49] Like it's just it's wild to me that she doesn't realize that she's implicating herself with spilling this this whole, you know, that Quinn has the power. And it's going to get her. Well, I actually would hope that that's what happens because
[01:01:04] it would serve her right to be honest. Sorry. I mean, it would be like the end of a Shakespearean drama, right? That like Angela ends up being her own worst enemy, which I think is such a theme of these past two weeks.
[01:01:14] But that's the other thing as well as that I think the reason why she's in this headspace is again, she is on this one track mind of everybody is out to get me. And so she convinced herself immediately,
[01:01:25] oh, I'm the one that's going, which I think does make sense when you think about it. Like, oh, I've been getting in arguments. I publicly called people out quite a few times in the house. Nobody's going to vote for me to stay.
[01:01:37] But it does seem like for the second week in a row, there was legitimate consideration of, OK, do we get rid of, you know, there's here's a person that can be perceived as a bit more threatening than their blockmate. Let's go for that.
[01:01:51] Let's make some big moves in the first couple of weeks of the game. But again, between doing that and then also, again, some of the ways that Angela is she and there was the whole thing, another reignited thing with Lisa.
[01:02:04] She got into it with Tucker a little bit yesterday, apparently, in his favorite place for confrontation, the shower. So again, it seems like self sabotage really is the name of the game here, but it has gone about some legitimate consideration,
[01:02:20] despite the fact that the arena is a big enigmatic factor of back and forth as to, OK, do we get rid of the person that like nobody wants to work with but is relatively harmless or the person who we like a little bit more,
[01:02:34] even though we're still annoyed by her, but she has a chance to win competitions. Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's a wild situation. And so Angela has decided to tell Tucker. That Quinn has power. Tucker's response. No, it doesn't. No, because Lisa has the power.
[01:02:59] And if Quinn had the power, that means Lisa doesn't have the power. And I know Lisa has the power. And that's why we want Lisa out. Explains the whole thing to Angela. And she says. Yeah, but I know he has the power. And he says, no, it doesn't.
[01:03:17] Well, this is also a repeat of like an exact conversation that Lisa and Tucker had as well, right? We're like they were sitting down. The talk was like, I'm going to lay everything out for you. You're not a chef. You voted for Matt and you have the power.
[01:03:28] And Lisa's like, none of those three things are true. He's like, sure, OK, you're not helping your case here. It's because she was lying about the vote, though, that it just like because she was lying about the vote, that means everything else
[01:03:40] that she is saying is a lie. And so that's what caught him up and her up as well, with not being able to make him believe her. Yes. Now, things got a little more interesting when Tucker then later talked to Kimo
[01:03:56] and mentioned that that Angela had said that Quinn has the power. And Kimo said, oh, he does. But it's a good thing he'll use it to help us. We should protect him. And so it was confirmed to Tucker and Tucker's like, so so Lisa doesn't have it.
[01:04:20] Huh? No, Quinn has it. He believed him, though. Geez. So now he believes it. And today, in fact, shortly before this episode aired, Tucker said to Chelsea. I know who really has the power and it's not Lisa. But then he follows it up with,
[01:04:44] I'm not going to say who it is. But if I'm evicted, I'm going to whisper it in your ear on the way out, which is why are you writing the ending to your own story? Let's get him out so that I can get the information. OK, perfect.
[01:05:01] I don't think it's going to happen, but. So but let me just let me just let me just back this up too, because not only does he say I'll whisper it in your if I get evicted, which theoretically would incentivize somebody
[01:05:12] to then evict him so that they will then find the information. Now, of course, he's making the same mistake that Angela's making after having just explained to Angela why it's a mistake. He wants Lisa out. He's on the block next to Lisa.
[01:05:28] Don't tell him that she doesn't have the power in this. No, he's explaining that Lisa does not have the power. And he knows who does have it. He has access to the power. Oh, it's incredible. It is. It's so it's so much fun.
[01:05:48] I'm having a long, though, you know, yeah, exactly. I've got everything figured out. Like I I'm I'm I'm obsessed with it. I love it. I mean, this guy is giving like pooch. What's the name? Like a little bit like, all right,
[01:06:02] I've got a big brain plan of how this is all going to break perfectly for me. And the fact that he does not realize the pure irony of the fact that in a different world, I think, again, it could have been a very different situation
[01:06:15] where like if much like Quinn, if he wasn't surrounded by people that had had decided to keep them in the game, they could easily be like, all right, that's a really nice thing you served up to me, Tucker. Yeah, sure. We'll get rid of you then.
[01:06:30] Well, you know what? We don't need two or three extra eviction votes. We'll just vote you out with the ones we have. Yeah. Pretty much talking. I think he's going to stay, though. But yeah, he shouldn't, though, especially for this. He's probably fine.
[01:06:47] But just what are we doing here? I mean, he shouldn't be. He shouldn't even in this situation to begin with, let alone be doing stuff that could theoretically like get him sent home. Who was going to put up instead if if he hadn't been so generous and gracious,
[01:07:03] gracious, probably would have been Cam. Maybe Leah. Who knows? We never really got a chance to see her talk about it after the initial norms because he volunteered so quickly. Yeah, it's annoying that we couldn't see her full, you know, game plan
[01:07:19] and like see exactly what she was willing to set up and all that stuff. Make up for nothing. I'm annoyed about that. And I do love, though, that poor Chelsea has just been subject
[01:07:30] to like so many last minute plans in her ear right when things are about to start. Right. Like, of course, we had the whole Mishigas where Cam and Cedric independently sort of offer themselves up as pawns as she's walking down to do nominations.
[01:07:43] Then as we saw in the episode, Tucker approaches her the morning of the veto ceremony being like, I know you're going to put me up, but here's a wild idea about Mackenzie. And so Chelsea has been somebody that just had has had all these
[01:07:53] wild options thrown at them by people who are all sort of in a contest to screw themselves over the most. I mean, again, she was somebody who had Kenny approaching her, which was kind of off the skin of the episode has been like, yeah,
[01:08:05] you know what? You should probably put me up. I think it's OK. You know what? I'm feeling it. I'm feeling it right now, but then I'll have like a two day period where I'm not feeling it, but then I'll be feeling it again two days from then.
[01:08:15] Yeah. Speaking of Kenny, he wants to quit again. That's why that's why we brought up this clip. Yeah. We didn't hear anything. No, you didn't hear the clip. You were just like out of pure direction for him. Let me give one more time.
[01:08:36] I'm a fighter. I'm a winner and I'm not going nowhere. Yeah, so tell what's your take on this? With Kenny, I'm just like I said it before. I think I was on the round table last week when I said this.
[01:08:52] It was just like there's so many people that really want to be on this show on this season that would do anything to participate. And like when things aren't going his way, he wants to maybe quit. I don't want to play anymore. And I don't know.
[01:09:07] I just don't really like it's just not fun for me to watch. Like it's just yeah, he can go like go then, please. It's it's tough because like on the one hand, obviously, that the quitter discourse is something that has been in these
[01:09:20] reality TV streets rather recently with Survivor 45. And I have been someone that has been more on the side of like I can understand if people sign up for an experience thinking it's one thing and then just mentally they're in a different space.
[01:09:35] Tell was brought up on the round table last night that someone like Vanessa Rousseau had a very tough week one where you're just your mind's not in the right space. You're missing home too much. And so I don't begrudge Kenny necessarily for like having those feelings
[01:09:48] in the first week of like, listen, sure, I thought it was going to be one thing. It was another thing. What I would say, though, is then the solution to that would be leave the game. If you want to quit, quit to quote a big power
[01:10:02] player from last season in her very first Survivor season. And so I think that's where my sort of disappointment comes in is that if he feels like the 750 K is truly not worth it.
[01:10:12] If he has already started making his pitch to be put on the block on Tuesday, then for me, it's just a matter of what are we doing here? This is a guy that will permanently fill up a third seed.
[01:10:24] That then takes away a lot of drama of the three nominee twist. It gives another chance for him to win another competition and inexplicably and keep staying in the house and get dragged along. And unless he has that bald cap reveal, then it just feels like we're kind
[01:10:37] of having a non-player as our our 16th house guest. And so for me, look, I know it screws the plan, but if Kenny truly feels like this is not the game for him, I understand that decision. But then I would say follow through with said decision.
[01:10:52] If this really isn't the game for you, leave that game. Yeah, I want to quit. I don't want to be voted out. But you know, like just to ruin an entire week, like no, let's just go. Just go. You don't want to be here.
[01:11:05] End it and let's continue on with the game with people that do you want to play? I know if I was in the house, so like having some of that once I quit, like that means I'll never win. Maybe you drag him along to the end.
[01:11:14] I remember Taylor was suggesting that as a strategy for a player. I get that, but I don't want to watch that, especially because I would like to be a player in one of these seasons.
[01:11:22] And so seeing someone take up a spot like that is frustrating from a viewer's perspective. Yeah, basically what he said is that like he's happy to just take up a spot on the block every week and great TV. Great, great strategy. Like just killed. That's pretty annoying.
[01:11:39] Like, listen, it's not like we were starving for choice last week between Matt and Kenny. I took the position that I owed rather see Matt leave because he was messing with the edit. I did not anticipate that Kenny would be this obstructive.
[01:11:58] Right, especially after he won a competition where it's like, OK, great. You got a little bit of pep in your step, right? You've got some energy. You can win stuff. I understand again, if people are in the perspective,
[01:12:06] we even saw this with Leah in her DRs after the competition she's lost, right? Of like, why can't I win anything? It's a really tough headspace to be in. But then immediately almost after he's used his veto
[01:12:18] and his time for the week is done, they kind of reverts back to his status quo, which is like, yeah, I'd be good if I wasn't necessarily here right now. And do you think he's doing it because he's like, if I don't want to lose,
[01:12:30] so I'm going to pretend that I don't want to be here so that, like, you know, if I don't do well, then I can just blame it on the fact that like, why didn't really want to be here anyways? Who knows? Who knows? It's cool.
[01:12:42] This is like, this is the thing too, is that, like again, like he's bad at leaving. But he's trying to get himself evicted by winning comps and giving people zero incentive to evict him. Like. If you're saying you're willing to be on the block every week,
[01:12:59] nobody's going to ever revict you because they're happy to just throw you on the block every week and know this strategy. And no, it's not a strategy. And no, it wouldn't work even if it was. Nobody's going to vote for you in the end
[01:13:11] if you just sat on the block all the whole season because you wanted to quit the whole time. Nobody respects him in the game because they're like he wants to leave. How disrespectful? Yeah, Brooklyn, I know Torrent, who I'm a good amount last night. Mm hmm.
[01:13:25] All right, well, that's what we're dealing with. So maybe he might pull a metaworld piece, kiss you night, pull him tomorrow and just stand up and be like, my sausage truck is depleting. I've got to go. I feel like I feel like this is when productions as listen,
[01:13:41] if you want to just bounce, we'll give you your measly stipend. That we will not we will not withhold from you because let's be real. It's barely anything anyway. Uh, 750 to anything. Yeah. You just leave because you're you're mucking up the works here.
[01:14:04] You know, just like get out, get out of here. But they're not they're not. So whatever. But if you watch him win head of household, like, you know what I mean? Like it's honestly, that's kind of best case scenario. He did promise. At least people feel disoriented.
[01:14:20] He said chaos was going to rain like get your pineapples out because it's going to be spiky. I'm going to do things that nobody expected. Like he's somebody's like, this house needs to be shaken up.
[01:14:29] But it's like, have you been looking at the past two weeks of the show? I don't know who you're thinking is in charge right now. Yeah. And and probably Quinn would take over his age. And then it would be very funny and he'd be very upset about it.
[01:14:43] And he couldn't be on the block. He couldn't be put on the block by Quinn. So we'd have to spend a week off the block. So, yeah. All right. Anything else we should bring up here before we wrap up?
[01:14:58] No, I mean, I just want to commend the two of you again. I think you both had some some really, you know, well put points about again, the very thorny situation that happened tonight. And I know that again, it's a very it's a very contentious subject
[01:15:10] that I know people are hashing out in the chat. We'll probably be hashing out on these BB streets for for many, many weeks to come. But I really enjoyed the opportunity to come on
[01:15:17] and listen to the two of you in particular, give your thoughts on a very complicated subject. I mean, that's that's with you. I mean, that's that's the thing that's the thing about Big Brother is that, like, it very much reflects the reality that we exist in.
[01:15:35] And and so these things are going to come up. And, you know, we got to talk about it. I mean, I like talking about that. I like talking about these things. And it's cathartic, you know what I mean? So I do. All right.
[01:15:51] Well, that is what we have for you. Then I will say again, just because I know there are going to be five hours that are going to be like, I didn't realize can I get a plushie?
[01:16:02] And there's going to be nothing I can do for you because you're not going to buy like a reserve stock. Like, well, I'm getting a few for myself. They're going to be selling them for like triple the price. Oh, that's a good idea.
[01:16:15] Yes, I'm going to keep these scalp it. Yeah, be like, oh, I got a few, but it's going to cost you. I got a few. Could you imagine if I lost my plushie and then I didn't even have my own cat plushie and I couldn't get any more?
[01:16:27] That would be wild. I have to get extras. Oh, yes. How about this? Buy out the store so Terran can't get anymore. That's a goal, people. Let's be as petty as Tucker and buy out all of Terran's inventory so he can't have a stuffy of his cat.
[01:16:42] And then everybody that wants a plushie that can't get one can buy it from this other person for triple the price. Yes, well, tonight is the final night to get a plushie. The link is pinned on my Twitter.
[01:16:55] If you want one now is your chance and that's that's going to be it. Also, big brother tomorrow update episode recap. I'll be on Twitch hanging out watching the episode. We'll have an AI arena competition. We'll have hopefully some H OH results later in the night.
[01:17:18] And all of that fun big brother Thursday stuff. So tune in for that. We're also covering the getaway very fun show where secretly everyone is the saboteur, but they don't know that. It's been very fun. The finale is coming up next week.
[01:17:36] And I'm very excited for the reveal of this. It's because it's also a game. And so they're going to think I won this game and then find out, wait a minute, it's not the game I thought I was playing. Oh, that's very fun. Are there eliminations in it?
[01:17:47] Yes, it's it's it's a complete social strategy game where it's just they're all actually saboteurs. And so like the incentives are weird where it's like everyone in an alliance thinks that they're getting one over on their alliance because they're like, I'm tricking them into trusting me.
[01:18:07] But really, it meanwhile, the other person is thinking I'm tricking them and trusting me and I'm going to screw them over when we make it to the end. Very fun. So check that out. Very fun coverage going on there.
[01:18:20] We're also talking scripted television and and film and such. Over on we know scripted TV talking about House of the Dragon doing the taste makers stuff where we talk about all kinds of fun stuff. Mike is also doing some fun stuff over there. Yeah, lots of fun stuff.
[01:18:35] So I'll start with that, actually. So every week I do a podcast on the scripted side called TV for real where myself and Sasha Joseph talk with a reality TV contestant about scripted TV because it's a subject we don't often hear about unless we hear them talking
[01:18:49] on the live feeds about how much they love House of the Dragon as an example. So we've been doing that a couple of big brother people we've had on in the past. We had Rachel Riley on to talk at Bridgerton.
[01:18:59] I had a really fun time talking with Corey Werdenberger about lost. He is an OG fan of Down the Hatch. So we got really nerdy into loss and how he's showing that to America for the first time. But on the reality TV side of things.
[01:19:13] So of course, starting with a big brother, I will be speaking with whoever is evicted on Friday, most likely Angela or Lisa, unless the House decides to take Tucker up on his opportunity to vote him out so he can whisper what
[01:19:27] the power is. But either way, it should be really interesting. We've got a lot to talk about. Territ, I'm sure you and I are both going to try to get to the bottom of what is this fight? What is this contentiousness? Where did this come from?
[01:19:40] Who called someone a twit? And why? Why are we copying walks? So that should be something I'm doing over at parade dot com over on the survivor side of things. So in case you've been living under a rock, I have been here all summer
[01:19:53] doing the survivor 50 wish list where every day we are picking out who could and should come back for the upcoming returning season of survivor 50 doing a season every weekday today. Just hit a milestone season 40 with Rob Cesarino tomorrow. We start the new era with Maggie Morgan.
[01:20:11] If you want to listen to Chantel, she did a great job all the way back in Mercasis with me. And I will say that you may or may not be here in one Terran Armstrong at some point in the remaining six seasons.
[01:20:24] So you could predict it, but you'll be hearing from Terran at some point about that and then also the summer of Survivor, which is our Survivor weekly offseason podcast that is just all nonsense. That is happening tomorrow night, 6 p.m.
[01:20:37] Eastern we are running right up to the start of the eviction episode. It's going to be myself, Shannon Gus and Peridium. And we're doing part two of taking a survivor season and picking out what
[01:20:47] the defining moment of the season was one that led to a lot of fun discourse in the moment should do it again. And the last thing I'll mention is the challenge is premiering next week. Technically, they're doing like an episode zero kickoff special.
[01:21:02] I have the pleasure of joining Ali Lashren, Brian Cohen on the challenge we're up to break that down and I'll also be doing some coverage on parade for that. So you can check out all of that stuff and surely much more over at a
[01:21:14] Mike Bloom type on social media and on cameo as well. And thanks so much for having me on again. All right. And Chantel. I don't have as much going on, but can find me at Shan underscore underscore underscore friend on Twitter at Shan friend friend on Instagram.
[01:21:29] And speaking of the challenge, Matthew, that speaks with me about the challenge on my channel, reality realness with three S's are going to go live tomorrow because he did a survey, a little questionnaire talking about the cast of
[01:21:41] season 40. And so I don't know all the questions that he's asked, but he proposed it to Twitter and 600 people have responded. He's going to share the results with me on my channel tomorrow at 12 PM
[01:21:54] Eastern. And I'm going to also give my own thoughts on what I think these answers are to these questionnaires and we'll also be joined by special guest, Drew from the Angel cake entertainment channel is going to be also on there talking about this questionnaire.
[01:22:08] So yeah, reality of realness with three S's on YouTube. All right. Well, that is what we have for you then tonight. Thank you all so much for joining us. We will see all of you next time.