BB26 Thursday Live Feed Update: Did MJ Flip?

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Every Morning, Darren Armstrong, Toxic Brother, looking at the stuff from yesterday

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_03]: All the drama, all the strategy and silliness from V.O. to H.O.H.

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Every single season, you know he is the reason, you know what's happening

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Rob said that he could do it, tomorrow he will do it again

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello everyone and good morning. Welcome to our Live Feed Update for September 5th.

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm your host Darren Armstrong and I'm here today to update you on everything that happened yesterday.

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Big Brother 26 Live Feeds, it was day 51 in the house.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And once again on a Wednesday night before the eviction, the vote is still up in the air

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_02]: and we do not know for sure who will be evicted but we have one final update before that vote tonight

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_02]: to give to you and with me to talk through it all. Mike Bloom, how are you doing Mike?

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Darren, I am elated. Of course the Survivor 47 cast dropped yesterday.

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Today I'm starting to come out with preseason press that I did with these people

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_01]: so it's safe to say when it comes to CBS reality, I've got coverage wrapped around my finger

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm excited to stick my hand into this waffle Wednesday.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you might even say that when it comes to tonight's vote

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Who knows what's about to happen.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_01]: There we go. Ah yes. We just released actually, by the way, this ends up setting up a nice plug

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: right before this, my preseason interview with Asia over here on The Rob Has A Podcast

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_01]: both the podcast and the YouTube version. So if you want many more Asia Welch soundbites

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and sandbites before we get to see her in the sands in a couple weeks, feel free to check it out.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It was a really good time. Now we can officially be out in the open about it.

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Taryn, one of your fellow drafters is going to be on frickin Survivor.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, drafter becomes a draftee.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So can we be honest? Was she just doing it for the deep dive with you?

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, we don't have to talk about that angle of it, but you know

[00:02:30] [SPEAKER_01]: How much do you think she was talking about that on the beach?

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Her and baby Andy competing against each other.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. Listen, luckily for them, I guess nobody has to see it because that's not making the edit.

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, exactly. But a lot made the edit this day around.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I mean, I guess I'm lucky that Corey's name is not like Tory Turton Turger

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_01]: because Wednesdays are the new Thursdays right now, basically.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. That it seems like because of the advent of the AI arena

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: preventing a lot of this sort of last minute hush.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the activity has really seemed to happen on Wednesdays.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, there is speculation that maybe the AI arena is going to be done so as of tonight.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But it has been like a really interesting macro effect.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like of this particular season that we have crammed a lot of the planning for the vote

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: into Wednesday rather than Thursday, but also simultaneously saying, well, there's so much up in the air.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what we're going to do.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And I think that that has been very bad for the HOH that wants to control the vote

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_02]: because you can't lock things in because it's three nominees.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's then a veto. What happens with the veto? What happens with the replacement?

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Once you finally get the replacement on the block, you're still kind of like, well,

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: there's a bunch of different combinations of people that I can vote on.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And so it isn't until like the reality is coming that like we need to make a decision on each individual one.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But we don't want to make the decision too early because we don't want people to know that we were going to vote them out if they hadn't won.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So even though they find out anyway, and so what we get are, you know,

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: 3 a.m. conversations about the vote that's going to happen in, you know, what?

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Like 17 hours? You know, it's it's it's pretty wild.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Which is it's very fun. I mean, I think certainly maybe at the end, again,

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: assuming that the arena is going away, I'd love to get a postmortem, a premortem,

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_01]: postmortem from you, Taryn, about like your thoughts on the trip.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But what's interesting is, again, while we're speaking about Survivor,

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_01]: it does feel very Survivory to me in terms of the storytelling.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Now, in this case, it's much more of a realistic thing than maybe something that might be more fabricated in the edit.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But Survivor loves to do the OK, it could be this person or maybe it could be this person.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know. Let's see what happens.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And the vast majority of the time, with the exception of a live tribal,

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_01]: it's almost always going to be one option that was set in stone before going in there.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: This truly authentically feels like we're getting that played out in real time.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, it could be this. But depending on this competition, when it could be this as well.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like we're also kind of falling into the same interesting beats that for like the third,

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_01]: fourth, fifth week in a row we've gotten.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, there is one designated person that in two out of three scenarios is going to be the one to go.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But then there is what some would consider a worst case scenario,

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: though for Team TV might be a best case scenario of OK, if that odds on target wins the AI Arena,

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: then the vote gets a lot more interesting.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we benefited from that with Mackenzie two times over.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see if third time's the charm, even if she's not involved in the AI Arena tonight.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. All right. Well, of course, as you know,

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Quinn the H.O.H. is now dealing with a situation where Joseph,

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Kimo and Rubina are on the block come eviction night.

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_02]: He has wanted Joseph to stay.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And so you might ask, why did he put him up? Well, he had to.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what he said in the diary room. He had to.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And in front of everybody as well.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_01]: He went through the entire logic of, oh, here are five people that voted together last time

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_01]: that I would really like to vote together this time, by the way.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So I have no choice, Joseph. Yeah. Quinn really said, you know,

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: my last H.O.H. went so well when I nominated Rubina because of her proximity to Tucker.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I nominated my ally and pawn Cedric.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the vote flipped to keep Rubina and get rid of Cedric.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what? Let's try that again.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's nominate Rubina because of her proximity to Tucker.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll nominate my ally, Joseph, as a pawn against Rubina and hope that people don't flip and keep Rubina again.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe it's just the fact that maybe the error last time was that it wasn't coming from me.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. It was coming from deep fake Angela.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_01]: We have enough deep fakes going on later tonight as we'll talk about.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It needs to come from the real deal.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I need to deliver it with my own words in these speeches.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, suffice it to say, Quinn is actually going to say to Leah at one point yesterday,

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_01]: like, I don't feel very happy with the nominations I made,

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_01]: which is probably one of the bottom five things you want to say as a head of household.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So what we talked about yesterday was that Chelsea has come around to the idea of keeping Rubina over Joseph.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, Kimo is the is the lock target, the odds on favorite to go home.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: He is the one that they are agreeing.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: If Kimo is on the block, he will leave.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_02]: However, Rubina has been doing some excellent work building this idea of a women's alliance and, you know, campaigning and making the connections.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's been enough to sway Chelsea to the idea that, hey, it does make sense for me to take out Joseph, who she's wanted out anyway, and keep Rubina around.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I can't really swing the Kimo thing, but I think I can swing the Rubina one.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just not worth taking Rubina out. She pitched this to MJ on day 50, the day before the day we're talking about.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And Rubina came back or sorry, and MJ rebutted her argument.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: She said the trio needs to be broken up. It's not worth pissing off, you know, Quinn and Kim and Leah essentially.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think that we should do that. I think that we should vote out Rubina over Joseph.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And at the time, I was like, oh, look at MJ.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I do think that's the better play for her, even though it's the better play for Chelsea to take out Joseph.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And it seemed as though Chelsea had perhaps given up that that pitch.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_02]: However. We're going to start today and we're going to see we're going to see what happens.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it comes down to a couple of things, maybe, according to McKenzie, some choice words that Joseph has had for her

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and the fact that she has had enough. Listen, we're more than halfway through the season.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But as has been talked about yesterday for a lot of people, it's starting over from square one.

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's throwing back to the the Tucker and Lisa days or even the Brooklyn and Angela days.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes a penance might win out as a strategy.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_01]: We are emotional beings at the end of the day.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And also to that point with Chelsea, I think something that certainly complicates why she wants to take out Joseph over Rubina

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and why she might lean more into the idea of proceeding with the women is everything complicated, if you will.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything that's happening with Cam or even over the course of yesterday, we got two completely different versions of Chelsea talking about Cam and receiving perceptions of her to him.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So MJ kind of operates in the morning going around talking to a bunch of people about the vote.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's some campaigns and seemingly is prepping people for a chemo or Rubina eviction, talking about how Joseph isn't much of a threat and how it makes a lot of sense to keep him around to some people.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_02]: T-Core does talk to her and campaigns against Joseph.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: She tells her MJ that Joseph said he would come after Chelsea or at least put Chelsea on the block, which, you know, hey, that's concerning.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But it still feels as though MJ is like locked in right now, that she is going to make sure that one of the trio is broken up, which will help damage the relationship Chelsea has with the remaining two while still forcing them to be reliant on Chelsea and her.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Keeping Quinn, Joseph and Leah as a target, maintaining her position in her own trio of Chelsea and Cam.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a it's a good play from MJ.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And she at one point even looks at the cameras and she says, I've got this whole house wrapped around my finger.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know what?

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, look at you.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Is she wrong?

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I am obsessed with the I wouldn't even say unearned confidence, confidence.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It's more like latently earned confidence because it's wild that look back to week one, look back to day three, the first night in the feeds when it's her and Matt holding office hours in the pantry.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And she had a very similar mindset then of like, oh, we've got this game on lock.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It is game set match right now.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't even need the 90 days.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Send me the check.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Immediately in the first couple of weeks that you think like, OK, she spent a lot of weeks on the bottom here.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Now she is able to make some leeway here.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: She's off the block for the first time in a while.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_01]: She's making these inroads with Chelsea.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Has she learned her lesson?

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And in that moment, it makes it seem like, no, it seems like she is just back to where she started.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, as the day goes along and especially the yarn she's able to turn when she is talking with people like Angela and people like, you know, talking with chemo personally, I was in admiration of the fact that this is a rare mode we get to see of MJ off the block in general.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And listen, the bar was kind of in hell from my perspective, but she's been able to leap over it.

[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say like wrapped around the finger, maybe wrapped around the like forearm at this point.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Give it a few weeks and we can work our way down to that digit.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Oh, you know, I in this moment, I was really feeling like this.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the best I've ever felt about MJ, and I can really see the path to her winning this game.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I really can.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, this is a really good spot.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: She has out influenced Chelsea and she is putting herself in a really good position.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And then she talked to Chelsea.

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Chelsea tries again with MJ, she says, you know, I've been talking some more.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_02]: She's been talking to T corn Rubina this morning and she says, I really do think that Rubina should stay against Joseph.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I just Rubina is not putting us up.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Joseph would.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I've seen Joseph like talking with Leah and Quinn a lot.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_02]: They're really wanting him to stay.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's isn't that a little dangerous?

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Isn't that a little bit of a trio?

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_02]: MJ is like they have been together.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I have seen them together a lot.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know what?

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Joseph is not exactly a jury vote for me.

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is a T-Core thing because T-Core was telling MJ, I respect your game.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to vote for you in the end.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: You know who won't?

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Joseph, the guy that said, I'm not worried about you in a final two scenario.

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And so she's thinking, well, if Joseph isn't a vote for me and I can take him out free jury and Joseph is locked in a trio with Quinn and Leah, then, you know, you know what?

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: You're making some sense.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe maybe we can keep maybe we should keep Rubina.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, OK, OK, I'm kind of with you here.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm definitely feeling pick it up what you're putting down, Chelsea.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, goes to show that MJ has made a good amount of progress.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I think, again, she started at the bottom of this pitch.

[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_01]: She's crawling her way up the ladder.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_01]: She ain't at the top again.

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_01]: This is if she's got the house wrapped around her finger.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the band day that after you get in the pool, like slips off and falls to the bottom.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Any sense of moisture or disturbance to the stability of the band date?

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's already slipping to the bottom of the pool.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the the house being wrapped around her finger lasted all of like 10 minutes before she became wrapped around Chelsea's finger here.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Not that this is like the worst move in the world for MJ.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just that from my perspective, at least her previous move was the better one.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Like this was this is good for Chelsea.

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like at best fine for MJ at worst.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Not great. And the other move was like potentially great because there were a lot more options there.

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately, like the Women's Alliance doesn't really benefit MJ more than just a backup plan because she's at the bottom of that.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Like like that's T-Core. That's Chelsea.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: That's Rubina. Then it's MJ.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, you know, it does leave her plenty of space to win comps potentially if they're very like athletic focused.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, because we know from her studying this last night, she ain't doing terribly well in Q&A comps.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. So that's why it's like it's not a bad backup option.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But ideally you have a little bit more of a like structure that benefits you.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And instead, she's kind of handing it over to Chelsea who who handily just grabbed it right out of MJ's hands.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. So this is an interesting day for Chelsea, because really what is going to to climax in is this sort of proxy war that's going on with the Tucker must die alliance.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Right. The five people that voted Tucker out last time that Quinn wanted to assemble plus T-Core.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to see that again. It's really Chelsea versus everyone else who wants Joseph to stay and Rubina to go.

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's got one on her side in the form of McKenzie.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And I do agree with you that I think, you know, women's alliances, it is taboo.

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It is a boogie word when it comes to these reality TV shows.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, I think it's due to the success of something like the Black Widow Brigade.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But what's interesting is like I get I'm trying to remember.

[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the Black Widow Brigade was something that was assembled because all of the women in the game turned to each other and said, yes, we are going to prevail as women.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: From what I recall, it was much more of a natural occurrence where it was Sariah, Amanda and Parvati working together.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was Parvati, Natalie and Alexis working together.

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And so when the merge hit, they all decided to kind of collate, you know, their respective relationships and make it into one big thing.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That's how the strongest alliances end up getting built.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And we get to see this here where, yeah, I would say that McKenzie's strongest relationships in the house are not necessarily with Chelsea, especially as of late with Cam.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's sort of the danger that comes when you sort of have this this umbrella alliance around, you know, a singular cause or commonality around you, which is like that's something you can maybe hang your hat on, but not your entire day.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it can be something like for, I think, Chelsea and T-Core.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a great idea.

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It works wonderfully for them.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: For MJ and Leah, not as much. Right.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And so and that's, I think, part of the issue that sometimes comes with alliances that come together in this way.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But listen, there have been problems with every alliance that has come together in this house so far.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: At the end of the day, you need a structure that keeps the alliance together.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It can be anything it wants.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It can consist of any kind of person.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But the key to an alliance is that you structure it properly.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You need to make sure that the people who are actually at the bottom of it don't feel like they're at the bottom of it.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And for now, at least, Chelsea and T-Core have managed to convince MJ that this is a good direction to go in, even though it might not be the best direction for her to go in.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And so with MJ's potential vote, they should have what they need to keep Rubina over Joseph in the event that Kimo wins the AI arena.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, there's even some talk from Chelsea about how I mean, I don't even think Kimo would come after us, to be honest.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And it does, quite frankly, make a lot of sense for Chelsea to also push for Kimo to stay over Joseph.

[00:18:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that right now she feels like that's a bit of a bridge too far.

[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And given where we end up in the day, I think that it probably will be a bridge too far before tonight.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And that may be Chelsea's failure in the week if she's not able to get past that hurdle.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Because if the more likely scenario happens where Kimo does leave, then all of this work is for naught and Chelsea doesn't get that advantage that she should get.

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, exactly.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_01]: That would be a bit of an issue.

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing about it's the prospect of jury that I think is really overwhelming a lot of people for a variety of reasons.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it seems to be the primary reason why Leah used the veto on Angela.

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: But there is just so much with this idea of the trio making it to the final nine, which makes sense.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_01]: That is at best three out of seven jury votes and you only need one more to hop over.

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we saw from what like the shield attempted to do in Big Brother Canada one that like if there are block politics that are brought into a jury, especially a smaller jury, that can bear out and be the difference between seven hundred fifty thousand dollars and dropping a zero from that.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's something that a lot of people are being tenderfoot about.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I do give Chelsea credit for being able to at least like walk the Robina point forward at least a little bit of like, OK, yes, the trio in jury, you know, would be a very tough thing.

[00:20:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But Robina is someone we could get on our side and not have to worry about.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Kimo, I think, is definitely a bridge too far.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It just seems like he is someone that doesn't necessarily fit in with the pitches that are being made.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I know T-Core has made the pitch for the Women's Alliance and being like, and Kimo will work with us.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_01]: So then it's not even six versus three.

[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's basically seven versus two.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_01]: But I just think there's so much built up about Kimo and especially like his his association within that group.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_01]: First and foremost, you know, him and Robina were considered from an external perspective to be the closest allies of Tucker that I think it's just really tough for him to overcome.

[00:20:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I think he stepped up his campaigning a little bit in the past day in true Kimo fashion until the last minute.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's too much ground to make up for.

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Kimo does try to do some campaigning throughout the day.

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Mostly just falls on deaf ears.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's not much going on there.

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[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Chelsea does bring this Leah Joseph Quinn angle to T-Core as well.

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_02]: This idea that they are now a trio, which is something that we saw a couple of days ago.

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And we're like, this is kind of the one trio that people don't see right now.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And how could they? Like there's a lot of reason to think that they wouldn't be a trio.

[00:22:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Leah just used the veto against Quinn's will and Quinn put Joseph on the block.

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know what they got out of that?

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_02]: A couple of days before people realized that they were a trio and want to target them again.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It's worth nothing.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It's worth nothing to put your ally on the block.

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You get nothing out of it unless you're Dan Giesling and you're not.

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_01]: No, but didn't you know Joseph is Dr. Will?

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_01]: That was the legend that he was attributing himself to.

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, listen, it also doesn't help.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that Joseph and Quinn had this big brain plan late yesterday morning of like,

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_01]: we're going to be the two torrid angles of the love triangle.

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_01]: No one will believe we're working together because we're pining after the same women.

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And then in the same breath, you know, Quinn and Leah are play acting with witches brew

[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and piles of pillows and medieval knights like there's only so much that, you know,

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you bonding on a social level can take away from the actual strategic positioning.

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Like if Quinn is coming across like he is mad and annoyed at Leah that ebbed away

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_01]: by the time that sentence escaped his mouth,

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: considering the way that he is interacting with her as of late.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Joseph, very similar situation.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So listen, they're going to have to put on their best low budget movie performances

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: if they truly want to build up the fact that this is a triangle that has been

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_01]: torn asunder by drama.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I mean, and that's that's what like literally this this worked with Dan

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_02]: in season 10 because he coordinated with Memphis and Memphis would go out

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_02]: and intentionally go to Jerry and be like, screw this guy for putting me up.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I hate him. And like it was a low budget performance, but it worked because

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_02]: that was the intention and they knew that they had the votes there because

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_02]: they were controlling the votes. Quinn is not controlling the votes.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: He barely knows these people like he's not in an alliance with them.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_02]: He wants to be in one. And anyway, okay.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So she of course, Chelsea talks to T-Core.

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_02]: She says that they are trying to they're trying to keep Joseph here.

[00:24:27] [SPEAKER_02]: This this new trio. And of course, T-Core doesn't like that.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But Chelsea's kind of trying to blame any kind of resistance to voting Joseph

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: out on Quinn and Leah. And you know that like, oh man,

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_02]: T-Core might not might not be able to sway the votes for T-Core,

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_02]: but for Rubina, I think we got it right.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So still kind of going by that angle, trying to set herself up in a way

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_02]: where no matter what happens, T-Core will not be upset with her.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, sorry, there's nothing I could do about Kimo.

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You would have been able to keep Rubina like I was working for you.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that she's done enough here with T-Core and Rubina,

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: where even if Kimo does leave, she will be able to say like, yeah,

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_02]: they're just I just couldn't do it.

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. I mean, T-Core has also really been putting forward this notion

[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_01]: from the beginning yesterday to the end when she finally started

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_01]: campaigning to say at the end of the day, I'll just go with what the house wants,

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_01]: which is an operative term for this season,

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_01]: especially because now more than ever, we have really been dealing with revolts

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_01]: against the HOH that has become less about voting with the house,

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_01]: even though people have been caught up for that and targeted because of it.

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And more so, hey, we're the ones that can vote.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_01]: We're the ones who have the voices. Let's raise them and make something happen.

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But T-Core is also trying to play it off like, hey, listen,

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_01]: if one of my tightest ally goes, no sweat off my back, we'll just roll with it.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to vote with the house, which I think is also again,

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_01]: T-Core has a different way of campaigning than I think a lot of these other people

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_01]: do in this particular game. She has the softer approach,

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_01]: which has really endeared her social qualities to the rest of the house.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It does defang it at certain points, especially right now

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_01]: where she's not backed into her corner, but like her right and left hand are.

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's still pitching things like, yeah, but if the house votes another way,

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_01]: it's totally OK. I'll be OK with that.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, while this is happening, Quinn is like hanging out with Leah

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's talking to her about how maybe they can find a form of Final Three

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_02]: with MJ, how Chelsea and T-Core are going to be big endgame threats.

[00:26:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So at some point they're going to have to be taken out.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like. You're too late again, you're the H-O-H

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: and the person that you wanted to bring in this week has been fully snowed

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_02]: by Chelsea is going to vote against your interests this week.

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_02]: That is the person you kept off the block was an easy nominee

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: that you could have made MJ. You could have nominated her.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You could have you could have done anything you want,

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_02]: but instead you wanted to keep her safe. Pull her in.

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Great. Do that. And don't leave her available for Chelsea to snow.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That's easy. But instead, now she's off with Chelsea

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's worried about Chelsea and T-Core threats.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Man, wish you could have done something about that as an H-O-H.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_02]: You know how many people never have the opportunity because they can't win power

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_02]: at all to make the moves, to take people out that are threats,

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: to not put their allies on the block, protect their allies,

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: people who would love to have had the opportunity twice to do that.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Lots of people, Quinn.

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. It's it's it's Quinn and H-O-H are just like oil and water.

[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_01]: At this point, it's a combination that it's like, you know what?

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like chemo's have not meal yesterday before they got to eat

[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_01]: of the pickle in the mayonnaise with the ketchup or the hot sauce.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a certain set of tastes that just do not mix entirely

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_01]: that Quinn tries to approach these H-O-H is with like trying

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_01]: to thread the thinnest of needles, I think of like, OK.

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: The good news is, unlike T-Core last week, he does have very specific targets in mind.

[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That's great. That is like H-O-H 101.

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But it requires going through one of the more convoluted processes to do so.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Again, he has this logic laid out in his head of, OK, I can't nominate

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_01]: any of the people who voted Tucker out.

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Plus, I want to form an alliance with them.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't nominate T-Core because I want to bring her into an alliance.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And I am not noticing the fact that she is PO'ed at me, to say the least.

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to nominate Joseph because I'm super close to him.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_01]: So it has to be these three people and only these three people

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_01]: in a season where the veto has been used every single week.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And really anything can happen with this chaotic group of players.

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he is trying to do calculus in Algebra one.

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_01]: He's saying like, I know the math.

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I have a good glimpse of this.

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think he's trying to create these equations that require

[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_01]: a bit more experience and a bit more of wrapping your head around.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, especially in such a fluid house as this season,

[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I can understand Quinn wanting to use the opportunity to solidify something.

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_01]: But it does feel like he left things fluid in a liquefied state

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_01]: for so long in this particular H-O-H week that he's trying to pop it

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_01]: in the freezer and it hasn't solidified yet.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Leah also is going to do a little bit of work.

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_02]: She talks to Angela, kind of indicates, let Angela know

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_02]: she does want Joseph to stay, even though she's not like 100% locked in.

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Angela did promise Leah that she would vote with her.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see if, you know, if it lasts the week.

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the thing. There was an ominous out-of-context quote

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: caught from Angela last night on the feed while she was just lying

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_01]: to herself on the couch before she then moved to lying by herself

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and making ominous comments in the fish tank room where she's like,

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: she shouldn't have thrown him under the bus like that.

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to be sleeping next to him for the rest of the season.

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm confused as to whom she's referring.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it possible she's referring to Leah and Quinn there?

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Listen, just last night, Rob and Jacob,

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: they really, they really were like, no, this is the one Leah and Angela.

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be together forever.

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is Angela's a serial dater when it comes

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_01]: to one on one relationships to finding number ones.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she swipes right on somebody and it looks really appealing.

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_01]: It looks better in your profile pic.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And then inevitably, you know, her doubt creeps in.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_01]: She is her own worst enemy, as she has been proven over seven weeks

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: over the course of this house.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, this seems like record time.

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Tucker took what a fortnight before she finally started turning on him.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: If this is two, three days after the after Leah uses the veto

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_01]: on her out of nowhere and she already decides like, yeah,

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: but she shouldn't have done it that way.

[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she is just working at a record clip.

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I think if we go, we're going to go from two days to two hours

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: next time somebody does something to benefit her game.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I think like more importantly, it's it's the vote, right?

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Like will Angela actually vote to keep Joseph?

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, because if she does, if if Leah can say definitively

[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_02]: like no, no, Angela wants to keep Joseph, Angela is a vote to keep Joseph.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not just one vote.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It will need to be both Chelsea and MJ that flip in order

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_02]: to make this happen.

[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It could be enough to sway this back in the other direction,

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_02]: because right now Chelsea and MJ feel like, well,

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_02]: it's already three votes.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's T-Core, whoever comes off the block in chemo or Rubina

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_02]: and Angela all voting Joseph out.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It just takes one of us to flip over.

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. But if they feel like if they know, actually,

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_02]: there's only two votes on the other side of the house right now.

[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And and Quinn, Leah, Angela, Cam are all against Joseph going.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Both of us need to flip to make it four versus three.

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a much tougher sell.

[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a line in the sand if there ever was one,

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_01]: especially considering that Leanne McKenzie had been voting

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_01]: in lockstep this entire time.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Cam and Chelsea have been voting in lockstep this entire time.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_01]: That's taking a pretty hard stand against someone

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_01]: that they've been with up to this point.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. So I think that if Leah wants to push back

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_02]: against this vote, she will need Angela firmly on board.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And and that is a way, I think, to make it happen.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And this will become more relevant later in the night.

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_01]: So I am seeing quickly in the chat that some people might feel

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_01]: like she was referring to Rubina, Angela, with her comment

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_01]: concerning that Rubina had walked by beforehand.

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think there's any credence to that?

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: There certainly could be.

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that there's like I said, like.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Angela talks about stuff all like Angela just kind of says

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_02]: things, you know, and I don't think that I don't think

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: that we need to like judge where she is yet based on

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_02]: like a comment like that.

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I think we will know based on what she decides to do,

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_02]: especially with this vote.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, moving forward, if she's able to win

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_02]: any power, maybe I don't know.

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Or she'll go to the people in power as well.

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Let them know how she feels.

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I will also say on the Angela note, I loved her conversation

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_01]: with Joseph that happened yesterday afternoon.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Just I mean, this is what big brother should be at its best

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_01]: is like the reversal of power.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that Joseph had to go and try to walk back his

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_01]: what we saw on last night's episode of like, to be honest,

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm surprised that you're still here.

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Comments as he is trying to earn her vote.

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And she tells him basically like, yeah, you're saying sorry

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot. You should stop doing that.

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just an incredible dynamic between these two people

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_01]: that ended up getting flipped and ended up becoming

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_01]: even more entertaining as a result.

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm hmm. Yeah.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So Leah does try to do some campaigning of her own.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_02]: She's just she's been a little MIA.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that she has not been aware of how dangerous

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_02]: this situation is with Joseph and is quickly becoming

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_02]: aware as she starts talking to people through the day

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_02]: telling Chelsea that the trio needs to be broken up.

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And Chelsea is doing a thing throughout most of the day.

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is, it's very it's actually it's very like

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_02]: a Sari of her, I would say.

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It's very like obfuscate.

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's very it's very the trio needs to be broken up.

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, exactly.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why chemo needs to go.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm hmm. Yes, I agree.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Chemo should go. And also the trio needs to be broken

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_02]: up regardless. And so chemo or being a definitely need

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_02]: to leave. Yes, I completely agree that chemo needs to go.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I think what Chelsea is taking advantage

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_01]: of and what everyone kind of enigmatically pitches to T-Corp

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_01]: towards the end of the night is that nice little purgatorial

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_01]: two minute segment after the arena.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I think Chelsea is hoping to benefit from the chaos there.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, if we point everybody towards chemo and chemo wins,

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_01]: that leaves their minds a lot more open.

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_01]: They're not coming in necessarily with that right choice

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_01]: first, second, third. If she is concentrating all of them

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_01]: on getting rid of chemo, then she might be able to slip

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_01]: in throughout the last second and be like, OK, maybe we don't

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_01]: default to Rabina. You know, I know we want to break up

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_01]: the trio right now, but now is our opportunity.

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't we take out Joseph in this moment?

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's exactly what she's doing.

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And she's taking advantage of the mistake that Quinn made

[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_02]: that I think I pointed out a couple of days ago, which was

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_02]: that as soon as Joseph went on the block, they talked about

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_02]: like, oh, he focused a lot on chemo as the target.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_02]: He said to Joseph, I think chemo is the easier person to push.

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And the issue with that strategy is it doesn't matter

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_02]: who is easier to push. It only matters who wins AI Arena.

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_02]: If chemo wins the AI Arena, it doesn't matter that you've got

[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_02]: all the votes on chemo because he's not on the block anymore.

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So you have to pitch against both of them at all times.

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And Quinn has not been doing that.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Quinn has been focusing all of his energy on pitching

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_02]: against chemo. In fact, so much against chemo

[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_02]: that he's been pitching pro Rabina stuff

[00:36:54] [SPEAKER_02]: and he's pro Rabina, anti chemo.

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And he has not been focusing at all at Joseph versus Rabina.

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And that is a problem. And it's a problem that Chelsea's

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_02]: exploiting by trying to actively avoid that conversation

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_02]: so that when it finally comes up, she's like, oh, I didn't

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: even realize I thought we were just so focused on chemo.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And so anytime that she's being asked about breaking up

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_02]: the trio or the vote, she's like, I completely agree

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: with what you're saying because we're taking out chemo.

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. We all agree. Yeah. And they're like, yeah, yeah,

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_02]: we agree that we're taking out chemo.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that what we're talking about? Yeah, yeah.

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly what we're talking about. We're talking

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_02]: about taking out chemo. Yeah, exactly.

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would say that like maybe this happened a little

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_01]: bit last week as well, whether T-Core meant it or not,

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_01]: but just like again, being so hyper focused on the MJ

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_01]: of it all. I mean, that's the thing.

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It's trying to provide stability within this unstable element

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_01]: going into eviction night of, hey, you could throw,

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_01]: as you've talked about before, throw all your targets

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_01]: behind this one person. They might nullify it all

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_01]: by winning. And I appreciate when players are able

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_01]: to weaponize that in a way and then be able to almost

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_01]: manufacture their own chaos then by being the person

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_01]: to step in, hopefully within this disorder and bring order

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_01]: by saying like, oh my God, I can't believe that happened.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Chemo won. OK, we need to do this.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think we'll talk later about the meeting between

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_01]: the five-person alliance, but I think Chelsea's best case

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_01]: scenario would be that they're all left bum puzzled

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_01]: by the fact that Chemo wins AI Arena and she gets

[00:38:21] [SPEAKER_01]: the five of them together, assumingly in a room,

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe as awkwardly as it was last week.

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And she decides to really take charge there.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And she lends her voice and says like, OK, listen,

[00:38:30] [SPEAKER_01]: if we're just listening to like the loudest voice

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_01]: in the room right now, let me put forward my argument

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_01]: for Joseph. And she got a little bit of pushback

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_01]: last night from the combination of Cam and Leah and Quinn.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think she is hoping that that pushback would not

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_01]: mash her in volume the same way it did last night, tonight.

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So. MJ is going to talk to Rubina and let her know,

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I've got you no matter what happens.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I will have you will have my vote.

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to stick with the girls. MJ has been swayed.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And with MJ comes the vote as long as they have

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_02]: the gumption to go through with it, which I think

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_02]: they will if they think that Angela's on board as well.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And again, because weirdly, I do think that extra vote

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_02]: makes a lot of difference when it comes to how much

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_02]: you're willing to put forth.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But MJ's is down enough to to like now fully communicate

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_02]: to Rubina that she that she's got it.

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is it's very bold.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even bolder MJ tells Rubina, yeah,

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_01]: if Tucker had stayed, it would have been even more

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_01]: lights out for you. She reveals that, yeah, you know,

[00:39:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Tucker told me that he would have put T-Core up

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_01]: if he had won H-O-H and repeated just as well.

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_01]: He's a bad player. He is not a good player.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_01]: But again, this week has all been from a fan based

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_01]: perspective and a player perspective as well.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Sort of living in the wake of taking out the biggest

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: character of the first six weeks of the show.

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, I wouldn't even say the worm is turned

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_01]: because I feel like even within the first couple of days,

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_01]: people were like, yeah, all Tucker could do was win

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_01]: competitions. He didn't have much of a social

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_01]: or strategic game, but to have his closest ally

[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_01]: in showmans say it after McKenzie's revelation

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_01]: was was an interesting sight.

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think start going down at times and then they

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: start being shown some videos, videos throughout the night.

[00:40:24] [SPEAKER_02]: They're shown a video. It's like, OK, we got to study

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_02]: this video. It's probably for the H-O-H competition.

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they're shown another video and they're like,

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, we got to say this one, too.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're shown another video and they're like, OK,

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_02]: we're going to say this one, too. Man, three videos.

[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a lot. And then they're shown another video.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God. Or video.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_02]: OK, we're trying to remember all this. They're studying.

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_02]: They're pacing, studying. And they're shown another video.

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_02]: There's five videos now, five videos.

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_02]: They need to make sure that they've all studied

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_02]: because usually you go like one at a time, five videos.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And then. Then it's 40 videos, 40 videos,

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and getting to hear these people, right,

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_01]: because obviously we don't get to see them,

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: we'll see them assumingly tonight or probably actually

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_01]: on Sunday night, because that's when the H-O-H competition

[00:41:10] [SPEAKER_01]: aired. But the mnemonics that these people use

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: to memorize things is ridiculous.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they mentioned pooch and I'm confused as to whether

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: or not it was one of the A.I. deep fakes mentioning a dog

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_01]: or whether they actually got the likeness of Joseph

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Pooch Poocherelli to make an appearance.

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a mention of Fessy and the Amazon stuff.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Lisa apparently makes an appearance, but I don't know

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_01]: on the spectrum of like ghosts popping up in Big Brother

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_01]: 21, like the evil stars to the troll bird calls

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_01]: in Big Brother 21. This is just production

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_01]: absolutely driving them up the wall.

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_01]: They're already there. And I mean, Taron, the paranoia

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_01]: was already riled up from a double eviction tonight

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_01]: when they just were given the tip from production

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_01]: to hydrate tomorrow. That has just sent them

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_01]: all in a tizzy as to what might be befalling them tonight.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So there's a lot of videos to be studying.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, there's a chance, maybe even a good chance

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_02]: that this is all worthless, that they're not even going

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_02]: to be asked questions about these videos.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Production is their own A.I. instigator.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. So who knows? But they're studying

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_02]: throughout the night. Chelsea is particularly perplexed

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_02]: by MJ, who seems to be getting all kinds of things wrong.

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Different people are helping different people.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Angela's trying to get answers from people,

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and they're like, don't tell him. Yeah.

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_01]: There's actually a point where they're all sitting around

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_01]: in one of the aftermaths of these upteam videos

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and like Angela saying something out loud

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and then Kimo corrects her. And then like Chelsea

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and Mackenzie just walk not even to another room,

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_01]: just to the other side of this open plan living room

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_01]: kitchen just to be like, don't tell her anything.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Do not tell her anything. Because I mean,

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_01]: the competition that she really killed was one

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_01]: that she was able to do. And then she was able

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_01]: it's not like we're going to have a Q and A spot

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_01]: the difference things and not to say that that would

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_01]: necessarily be the case now. But listen,

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_01]: there is a shot at least that if it's another Q

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_01]: and A thing, Angela could win a show for the third

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_01]: time and then all hell breaks loose once more.

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So that's happening throughout the night.

[00:43:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, there's also a conversation between T-Core

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: and Quinn that we did not really get to see.

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. Recount it to Kimo later on.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. We heard her talk about it. And the gist of it

[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_02]: is that it did not seem to go well from T-Core's

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_01]: perspective. Yeah. So what she seems to allude

[00:43:48] [SPEAKER_01]: to is the fact that Quinn vocalized to her that he

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_01]: had felt her and Kimo in particular had prioritized

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Tucker above him, which she attributed as a reason

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_01]: why he ended up being part of this flip to take out

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Tucker and did not inform them about it. And yeah,

[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_01]: T-Core any any like goodwill Quinn has earned back

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_01]: this week in him not nominating her just gets

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_01]: demolished in that moment. She is talking with Rubina

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_01]: about the fact that she says, I feel like this season

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_01]: people get upset at you playing the game, how you're

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: supposed to play it. Like don't get offended at me

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_01]: for having multiple number, multiple alliances.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Hell, Quinn, isn't that what Tucker got mad at you

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_01]: for? Why are you getting mad at me for that?

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And I get it from her perspective as well. Again,

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_01]: it does seem a little hypocritical from Quinn's

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_01]: perspective, though. I mean, we talked about this

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit that his intention in leaking the Pentagon

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01]: was not necessarily to be like, hey, you're on the

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_01]: team. Congratulations. But to more so say, and I

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_01]: want to make this move eventually against this core

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_01]: trio. And so I do think ever since then there kind

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_01]: of has been this thought living in his head of like,

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_01]: OK, so you are taking Tucker's side, someone that

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_01]: has called me out multiple times and continues to

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_01]: do so on social media after the fact over me.

[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_01]: So let me go seek greener pastures there.

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So I do think that everyone is understandably

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_01]: prioritizing their own games. And it is it is one

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_01]: of my pet peeves of mine in these reality shows

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_01]: to accuse players of, quote, not playing the game

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_01]: just because it usually translates like you're not

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_01]: playing the game the way I want you to play the game,

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_01]: which is to my benefit. But suffice to say, no

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_01]: matter where Quinn was coming from, it was something

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_01]: that definitely wore down T4 and she is going into

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_01]: this eviction tonight. If she were to win, get some

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_01]: revenge, maybe on a chemo or Rubino leaving, look

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_01]: into a draw some blood from Quinn. The first

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_02]: opportunity she gets. Yes, that's what you said

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_02]: is completely correct. That's any kind of thawing

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_02]: out of this relationship seems to have reversed.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_02]: She is back to as angry as she seems to be initially.

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And Quinn is back in the dog house here now.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_03]: He's got that dog in him. Big doggy. Come on now.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So Quinn does finally get his five together himself,

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Cam, Leah, Chelsea, MJ, the five that voted Tucker

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_02]: out. They kind of like lock in and discuss the vote.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, this is supposed to be easy.

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the voters, which of chemo or Rubina is going

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_02]: home. That's how Quinn sees it, at least. And but

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Chelsea keeps doing her thing. Yeah. Chemo is leaving.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_02]: We all agree that's that's fine. Great. And we're

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_02]: good. It's just chemo. So we're doing chemo. And

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_02]: then, you know, Joseph and Ruby. I mean, yeah, we

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_02]: don't need to vote out Rubina. You're right. We

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_02]: don't need to vote out Rubina because it's chemo

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_02]: rights and just like continues. And it's kind of

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_02]: awkward. Like it's definitely an awkward vibe. And

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Chelsea does eventually have to kind of just be like

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Joseph does scare me. He's going to run out of

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_02]: people to put up. And it's at this point, after all

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_02]: of the obfuscation and the awkward vibe, I think

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Leah Leah catches on. I don't think Quinn has caught

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_02]: on yet. Leah catches on. Wait a minute. They're

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_02]: trying to pitch that we we vote out Joseph. And she

[00:47:35] [SPEAKER_02]: says, well, Rubina will also run out of people to

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_02]: put up. It's the same problem. And Cam says, yeah,

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: because Cam's also seeing this. He says, yeah, if

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_02]: she wins, she's putting me up. And MJ is like,

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_02]: she'll put up Joseph and Angela. And Cam is like,

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_02]: but then I'll be the replacement nominee. And then

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_02]: they do the thing that I would be. I would I

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_02]: would literally kick somebody out of my alliance.

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I would be so mad. MJ says, but they're not going

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_02]: to win the veto anyway. So who cares? Yeah, exactly.

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Joseph and Angela, they're not going to win the

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_02]: veto. So we'll just keep it the same. You'll be

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_02]: fine even though you're the back door nominee.

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_02]: That's fine. Yes. They're not going to win the

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_01]: veto. The backdoor nominee in a house that has

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_01]: had two flips so far at the eviction. No, you're

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_01]: fine. You'll be in the most stable position in

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_01]: the house. I mean, look at these two. Don't you

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_01]: worry about it, Cam. We have your back no matter

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_01]: what. Joseph's got to go. Right. But then Leah

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_02]: comes in with the much better argument, which is

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_02]: hold on. How is Rubina going to put up Joseph

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_02]: if we vote out Joseph over Rubina? Yeah. And

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Cam's like, yeah. And there's a bit of an awkward

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_02]: silence. And then Chelsea goes. Well, by sending

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_01]: chemo out. But let's remind ourselves about

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_01]: chemo. Why aren't we all on the same page about

[00:49:02] [SPEAKER_01]: chemo? We can all agree on that. Right. Yeah.

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, oh, God, there's just so many

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_02]: variables to think about. You know, it's so obvious.

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_01]: A resounding three variables to run through your

[00:49:13] [SPEAKER_02]: head. And so at this point, he is a hero. We

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_02]: agree that chemo is leaving if he's on the block.

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about if Rubina is on the block and

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Chelsea's like, right. Yeah. And that's the tough

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_02]: one because we just all have these different

[00:49:25] [SPEAKER_02]: perspectives, you know? I mean, there's also this

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_01]: idea, right, that again, they're going through.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if Joseph wins, we don't know who is going

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_01]: to nominate. And Leah's like, listen, we all saw

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_01]: him throw it. We know that he's attempting to

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_01]: throw. But even when he doesn't throw, he's not

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_01]: great at these competitions. There's a lot of talk

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_01]: yesterday about the fact that tonight chemo and

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Rubina have both been in the arena. Chemo has

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_01]: won one. Joseph has not had any experience in

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_01]: this. And so this might be the first time that

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_01]: we get to see Joseph metal as a full blooded

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_01]: competitor. And if he flops there, it just proves

[00:50:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Leah's point of like, yeah, if there is any

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_01]: worry about Joseph winning power and then going

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_01]: after us, that's a scenario that is less foreseeable

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_01]: than Angela and Joseph on the block and one of

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_01]: them not winning the veto. Yeah. And that's that's

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_02]: sort of like they start talking about competition

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_02]: ability. And again, this leads toward like, oh,

[00:50:22] [SPEAKER_02]: well, chemo is better at comps than Rubina probably.

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But Rubina is still pretty decent at them.

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Leah tries to make the argument of like

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_02]: that's like, that sucks. Joseph's is way worse

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_02]: than Rubina and Chelsea's like, but he's been

[00:50:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's told people he's throwing pumps

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's like there it is. There it is, Joseph.

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you've been throwing comps all season long.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Theoretically, and what did you get out of it?

[00:50:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. I mean, I have nothing. I have a theory

[00:50:56] [SPEAKER_01]: about Joseph Taron, and I know that he's been

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_01]: doing this to your point even before last week

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_01]: between him throwing competitions and him making

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_01]: these grandiose claims to people like Quinn about

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_01]: the quality of his game. But my theory suggests

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_01]: that Joseph obviously goes into the traumatic

[00:51:13] [SPEAKER_01]: experience that was the matrix for 24 hours

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_01]: last week, and he walks out to a brand new world.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a very good chance that Joseph

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_01]: thinks right now he is in a simulation. And that

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_01]: is why because we've all had lucid dreams, right?

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Like when you know you're dreaming, you're saying

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I could do whatever I want. There are no consequences.

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_01]: This isn't real. I think there's a sizable chance

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_01]: that Joseph has been going through, especially

[00:51:39] [SPEAKER_01]: this past week being so open about his final two

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_01]: with Tucker saying that he would beat him in the end

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_01]: claiming how supreme his game is comparing himself

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_01]: to Dr. Will telling us. Yeah. Telling a nominee

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_01]: to their face like, well, you better win a arena.

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't really do much for you. I think saying

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_02]: he gets a vibe that he has a chance with Leah.

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's because he's waiting for Admiral

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_01]: William Riker to say simulation over and the

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_01]: holodeck square boxes go up and it turns out.

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Joseph. Now you can go back into the game

[00:52:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and actually play the game for real. That's the

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_01]: only theory I have to suggest how audacious

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_01]: he has been with this game for the past seven weeks.

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Yeah. 51 days of throwing comps wielding

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_02]: no power in the game because of it having no

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_02]: respect in the game in part because of it

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and never being able to properly like provide

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_02]: any value to his allies because of it. And all

[00:52:39] [SPEAKER_02]: he gets is well, hey Joseph is bad at comps right

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_02]: now. He's just been throwing him. Yeah. I mean

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_01]: even Quinn has the argument right where they're

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_01]: saying yeah, but MJ brings up. I think probably

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_01]: what is the bigger nail in the coffin for Joseph

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_01]: is the competition stuff, which is like, yeah.

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you hear all the shit? He's been talking about

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_01]: like how he wouldn't want to vote for certain people

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_01]: on the jury and Quinn's like, yeah, but that's

[00:53:03] [SPEAKER_01]: the reason why he'd they'd put him up over you

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_01]: guys and it's like I don't think delusion maybe

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_01]: delusion on behalf of the HOH would be a reason

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_01]: to nominate someone but I think delusion on behalf

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_01]: of a nominee again, we're not back in week one

[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_01]: where it's just find a reason to nominate someone

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_01]: if anything that just butters Joseph up more as

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_01]: a side dish to bring to the final two then like

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_01]: oh yeah, this is an easy nominee. We got to put

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_01]: up Joseph because he's so deluded to the fact

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_01]: that he can beat all of us in the finals. So

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_02]: they talk about the comps and cam says can we

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_02]: just come to a conclusion though or no? Are we

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_02]: going to wait? He's like, I guess I'm cool with

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_02]: keeping Rubina if that's what you guys want and

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like really over Joseph and he's like

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_02]: if it's for the betterment of the group then

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_02]: we'll keep him and this is classic cam and it's

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_02]: at this point that Quinn goes wait, wait, I

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_02]: thought we were keeping Joseph. I thought we

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_02]: were talking about Kimo versus Rubina. They're

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_02]: like no, we've been talking about Joseph versus

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Rubina. It's like oh but no, I just I thought

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_02]: that we no, no, I thought we were keeping Joseph

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's at this point that Rubina shows up at

[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_02]: the door and ends the conversation. And then

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_01]: we get like something out of three's company

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_01]: because it does involve three people where Leah

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and Quinn are going to say like, oh, we're

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_01]: going to go hide in the bathroom because we

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_01]: don't want to come across like okay. This is a

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_01]: meeting of a perspective Alliance. We're just

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_01]: friends chilling in in the HOH room. And so

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_01]: they go to hide in the bathroom MJ gets in

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_01]: the shower. And so Rubina comes up she's hanging

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_01]: out there studying for the umpteenth time pooch

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Amazon Etc. And then Rubina just asked like

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, we're we're Leah and Quinn. I thought

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_01]: they were up here and the MJ gets out of the

[00:54:57] [SPEAKER_01]: shower which again makes it awkward because

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like they're in the bathroom, but MJ was

[00:55:01] [SPEAKER_01]: also taking a shower and then Quinn like tries

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_01]: to creak the door open and say like sorry. I

[00:55:07] [SPEAKER_01]: was pooping in there, but does it to such an

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_01]: angle that Rubina sees Leah in the mirror also

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_01]: hiding in the bathroom and then it just becomes

[00:55:17] [SPEAKER_01]: this entire three stooges explanation. We were

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_01]: trying to prank MJ, but then she was getting in

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_01]: the shower and we didn't want to catch her

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_01]: naked. And so we just decided to hide out and

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_01]: wait to see what happens. I think you'll add on

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_02]: that one. I mean, it was just an embarrassing

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_02]: series of events on top of an embarrassing

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Alliance meeting where this is a true age is

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_01]: being taken over. I mean to quote Angela you

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_02]: can't write this shit. You really can't you

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_02]: really can't so that was it. I mean that

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_02]: ended it like they had no more chance to talk

[00:56:04] [SPEAKER_02]: as a group that night. And so there's still

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_02]: no proper conclusion to this vote and that

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_02]: means that I have to imagine at some point

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_02]: today or perhaps throughout the day. There

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_02]: will be more discussion about this vote that

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Quinn really needs to put his foot down and

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_02]: say no the you cannot do this. Leah needs

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_02]: to get to Angela and make sure Angela's locked

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_02]: in with her so she can also go in and say

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_02]: no the votes aren't there. Anyway, they need

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_02]: to get to cam and be like stop acquiescing

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_02]: to this and force MJ and Chelsea if they

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_02]: want this to happen to flip by themselves and

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_02]: make it happen in which case they may not do

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_02]: it because MJ really shouldn't even do it in

[00:56:53] [SPEAKER_02]: the first place. And so like there's a chance

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_02]: they can pull MJ back from this and then they

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_02]: could perhaps stop it but it's it's gonna have

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_02]: to happen throughout the day today when they're

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_02]: going to be doing lockdowns and rehearsals. And

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_02]: so another Thursday another day where the vote

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_02]: is just still up in the air. I love it. I

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_01]: love it so much. It's gone from like a waffle

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Wednesday to toasted Thursdays because someone's

[00:57:22] [SPEAKER_01]: game is getting toasted tonight. I mean what's

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_01]: going to be really interesting today is I mean

[00:57:29] [SPEAKER_01]: T-Core even ends the night by again deciding

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_01]: like it's 3 a.m. should probably start

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_01]: campaigning to keep my allies in the game. But

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_01]: again things have not necessarily coalesced but

[00:57:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I think coalesced to a certain point where she's

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_01]: talking with Chelsea she's talking with Leah and

[00:57:44] [SPEAKER_01]: she's talking with her team and her team is just

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_01]: getting nothing. She's just getting well it just

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_01]: seems like things are really up in the air. I

[00:57:49] [SPEAKER_01]: think we have to wait and see what happens with

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_01]: the A.I. arena you know sort of doing what doing

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_01]: what T-Core was able to pull off in a couple of

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_01]: moves that she has done over the course of this

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_01]: season. So it'll be really interesting to see

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_01]: then how they're going to handle it because I do

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_01]: agree that I feel like some configuration of

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_01]: this Alliance of five is going to have some sort

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_01]: of chat today at this point to try to figure out

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_01]: a secondary option. The question is how do you

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_01]: do that without getting on the radar of someone

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_01]: like T-Core who again they have really kept in

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_01]: the dark up to this point of what we really don't

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_01]: know who might go at this point. We'll let you

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_01]: know or hell you can throw a sympathy vote to

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_01]: they've already planned for you know the fact

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_01]: that this will be yet another non-unanimous vote

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_01]: that T-Core will probably throw a sympathy vote

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_01]: to one of the members of the trio. So it's going

[00:58:37] [SPEAKER_01]: to be a very tricky expedition for them to try

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_01]: to get all five people on the same page of who

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_01]: to go for in the doomsday scenario of Joseph

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and Rubina without tipping off the fact that there

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_01]: is a chance they might get rid of T-Core's own

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_02]: ally to T-Core. Yeah. And I guess something worth

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_02]: noting might not end up mattering but T-Core does

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_02]: tell Leah in that late night conversation that

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_02]: from her perspective what she has heard is that

[00:59:04] [SPEAKER_02]: the house is going to keep Rubina over Joseph

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_02]: but not Timo which is a weird thing for her to

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_02]: know from Leah's perspective I would imagine.

[00:59:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know if she's able to connect enough dots

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_02]: there I think that's like kind of telling for

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_02]: oh Chelsea's probably talking to her. Chelsea's

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_02]: probably making this move and really should be

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_02]: should mean for Leah I need to lock in with MJ

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and make sure MJ is with me. I need to lock in

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_02]: with Angela make sure Angela's with me so we have

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_02]: these votes because it is so important for Leah

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_02]: to keep Joseph around especially over Timo or Rubina

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_01]: at this point. Yeah I mean that's the thing is

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_01]: that if Leah loses Joseph right now I think any

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_01]: goodwill that she has bought with her move both

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_01]: inside and outside of the house kind of gets erased

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_01]: not completely I would say. I mean I still think

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_01]: that Leah does have certainly more credibility

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: to her name this week and not only winning power

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_01]: but being able to exercise it unilaterally.

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time I think doing this all

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_01]: to get rid of someone who is the closest to you

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_01]: like you said we're talking about threading needles

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean if Leah gets through to the jury with

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Joseph and Quinn as much as she was saying that

[01:00:20] [SPEAKER_01]: she wants to keep Angela in as the only person

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: that will vote for me in the end that's pretty

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_01]: damn good for her chances. And so this is

[01:00:27] [SPEAKER_01]: the trickiest point for her is that she has

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_01]: to make sure Joseph survives tonight.

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And then if we talk about McKenzie climbing

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the ladder Leah is firmly ascending to the top

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: by comparison as we look ahead to the last four

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_01]: weeks or five weeks of the game. Exactly.

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So that's that's roughly what we've got

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: here today. Mike anything else you wanted

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: to bring up. Yes I mentioned this at the beginning.

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess my questions to you would be a what

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_01]: do you think the chances are that Ainsley's

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: announcement is the retirement of the arena

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and B if that is the case like how are you

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_01]: looking back on this twist. Do you think

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_01]: this is something that they should consistently

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_02]: use moving forward. I think it's fairly likely

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: that they retire a arena now will be heading

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: into the final nine the jury phase and that

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: means that if there are still three nominees

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_02]: that you know that's there's only going to

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: be like this one H.H. that means there's

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: eight possibilities. Three of those eight people

[01:01:32] [SPEAKER_02]: will be on the block five will be off the block

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_02]: somebody uses a veto and a fourth person will

[01:01:37] [SPEAKER_02]: of the eight will need to be on the block.

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: That's nominating 50 percent of the rest of the

[01:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: house at that point. It's not something that

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_02]: they like haven't done before or that they are

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_02]: unwilling to do but it certainly gets a little

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_02]: tricky. And also I think more importantly

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_02]: if they want to bring in a double eviction

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: at some point and then it's going to need to

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_02]: go away if they want to potentially have any

[01:01:59] [SPEAKER_02]: other kinds of twists and then maybe there's

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: there's room there. So I think it's this is

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_02]: the time where it definitely I could definitely

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: see it stopping and it roughly tracks to like

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: you know the first battle of the block period

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: of time. So I think there's there's definitely

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: a good chance in terms of how I feel about

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: it. It was everything I hoped it would be.

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I think when it was that I really felt like

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: it could lead toward more blind sides more split

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_02]: votes. That was I think like my initial response

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_02]: to it. I think I tweeted out like this is where

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I think this could go with the caveat that

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: like there is a danger to it which is that

[01:02:42] [SPEAKER_02]: if competitions are not equitable it could

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: really exacerbate an issue that already exists.

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that the competitions have been

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: better still far from perfect but definitely

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: much better than they were last season which

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: has helped a lot. Also we got kind of lucky

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: in a couple of ways. One one of those ways

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_02]: was that the guy that was winning all those

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: competitions was Tucker and not him or gag.

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. So like you know like you know not

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: like Jackson Mickey. And in another way it

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: was that that guy Tucker he just kind of he

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_02]: just kind of with it right. Like he just

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_02]: kind of messed up on one of those competitions

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: that should have been his. And so you know

[01:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't and I don't know if everyone would

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: say that that's but but I think that what we

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_02]: got was something that really worked. And I

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: think it's made each week more dynamic

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: throughout the week even when there are

[01:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: slow pockets things always pick up by the end.

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: We have gone to multiple evictions including

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: this one tonight where we don't know what's

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: going to happen until the arena finishes. And

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: then it's like is there going to be a blind

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_02]: side is there going to be a flip. And it

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: creates extra tension because this could have

[01:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: been very easy. Well obviously chemo is

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: leaving but instead it's what happens if he

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: wins a arena. We now need to look at Rubin

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: versus Joseph. And that's a scenario that

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: might not even happen but it's still impacting

[01:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: the strategy of the week. And I think that's

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_01]: really interesting. Right. Because even look

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: at something like when Tucker the game nearly

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_01]: turned on him back in week three after he

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_01]: used the veto and Angela and then he wins

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_01]: the arena. And then once the information

[01:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: gets back to him of oh by the way you were

[01:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: going to go if you had not won the arena

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: that fundamentally changed his game. It's a

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: really interesting prospect. And I know I

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: get it that I think certainly from like a

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: structural perspective there are fans out there

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: that want to see those two nominees locked

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_01]: in by Monday after the veto ceremony. But

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: listen it does make Tuesdays Wednesdays going

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: into Thursdays a lot more interesting as well.

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of variables to talk about

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: as Chelsea would say. But again it's walking

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_01]: this very interesting line of OK how do you

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: make these plans without necessarily tipping

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: off the people who might be on the block and

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: survive multiple times over. I think this was

[01:05:19] [SPEAKER_01]: the perfect cast for it to work with as well.

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_01]: It actually reminds me of when they introduced

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: like the modern hitter immunity idol as we

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: know it in Survivor Fiji. And people say that

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: like you know the four horsemen at Gardo

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: blindside is you know what makes that season.

[01:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think what's so important to the history

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: of the idol was a young man playing an idol

[01:05:37] [SPEAKER_01]: at the final six and nullifying all the votes

[01:05:39] [SPEAKER_01]: against him because it proved to the producers

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_01]: that this twist works. Young man was dead to

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: rights. He was going to get voted out. Instead

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_01]: he plays an idol effectively and votes Stacey

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: out in the process. We have seen this a few

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: times over with McKenzie twice with Tucker

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: as I mentioned before. You could even argue

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: chemo a little bit because that was a little

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_01]: bit more up in the air that this is something

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_01]: that does create a lot of surprise at its

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_01]: best. At its worst it just creates a road

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: outcome that would have existed anyway should

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_01]: it not have existed in the first place. So

[01:06:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I really have enjoyed it just in how it is

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_01]: ratcheted up the tension from an already very

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_01]: tense cast going into it. They finally have

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_01]: a heated Julie's words as well and have made

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: this like really interesting double eviction

[01:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: energy with the whispering and awkward

[01:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: conversations and double talk that happens

[01:06:30] [SPEAKER_01]: in these couple of minutes. And I 100 percent

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: think it is here to stay much like the hitter

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_01]: immunity idol after Fiji has become a staple

[01:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: of Survivor many times over. I think dress

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_01]: it up however you want to. I think the show

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: has found this a complete success due to how

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: the cast has brought it. It'll be back for

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_01]: BB 27. I think the question is will the

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: cast figure out a way to handle it differently

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: than BB 26 which has just really incorporated

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_01]: it into all the chaos it's brought so far.

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I mean like the bar is on the floor

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: but it's easily the best twist that they've

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: come up with in well over a decade like

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: at the very least. Like it's not without

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_02]: flaws. It there's certainly some positive

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_02]: some negatives you could talk about but

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_02]: pretty much every other twist they've ever

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: come up with since the veto has been

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_02]: God awful. So this one it's it's it's

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: actually not it's not because like most of

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_02]: the good twists that they've come up with

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_02]: over the last 20 years have been like a

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_02]: good twist is. Oh it didn't screw things

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: up right. Exactly. It maintains the status

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_01]: quo. That is a good twist from fans

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: perspective. Yeah this one actually there

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: are some positives to it and even if you

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_02]: didn't like it I think you could still

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: agree that there have been some positive

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: aspects to it some very positive aspects

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_02]: to it and that is pretty rare I think for

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: a twist they have introduced. So

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_02]: definitely it's been a good one but I'm

[01:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: sure there's plenty more to talk about

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_02]: on that topic especially tonight as we

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: will be live after the episode to talk

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: through what happens with this eviction.

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I will be live during the episode

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: watching it on Twitch seeing what

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: happens with the AI arena and then the

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: oh man is it's not chemo I guess but

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: what are we going to do then. Let's make

[01:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: it happen. It's sending off a arena. Let's

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: do it with a bang. Let's have it. Let's

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: have chemo bookend it by winning the

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_01]: first and last day I arena this season.

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a true test. I think tonight is a

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: battleground for Chelsea for MJ for Leah

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_02]: for Quinn all of these players who are

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: actively trying to get their way some of

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: whom have been convinced that their way

[01:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: is not the way and some of whom are too

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: passive to make it happen. And you know

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: there's just a lot of different ways that

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_02]: this week can go a lot of advantage to

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_02]: be gained if they get their way and and I

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_02]: think plenty of opportunity to be able to

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_02]: get their way depending on the outcome of

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: that AI arena. So stay tuned for it all.

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll of course be back tomorrow at noon

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Eastern. We will have our final exit

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: interview with the final pre juror. So

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_02]: stay tuned for that. And then at noon I

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: will be live to talk through everything

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: that happens today before the eviction

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: and then happens after the new HH and

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: they're probable one on ones and plans

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: for the nominations because they've been

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: doing that this season. So stay tuned

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_02]: for all of it. Mike what do you got

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_01]: going on. So so much. First off thank

[01:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: you so much Karen for having me on. I

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: can say as someone that covers the show

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: your coverage is inimitable especially

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_01]: in this type of season which as we

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: experienced yesterday so much can happen

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_01]: over the course of 24 hours. So as we're

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: nearing past the halfway point and going

[01:10:02] [SPEAKER_01]: into you know the jury phase hopefully

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: hopefully Ainsley's announcement is it

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: like yeah a five person jury this time

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_01]: around. I've been so thrilled to get

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_01]: the chance to talk with you today about

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_01]: all of this and to see more to come. I

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_01]: will also be talking with the final

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_01]: pre juror we shall see tomorrow for

[01:10:18] [SPEAKER_01]: parade dot com. The big to do is

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: survivor. If you've been living under

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_01]: a rock the Survivor 47 cast drop

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: yesterday which includes a couple of

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: notable names of course from our circle

[01:10:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Asia Welch who you have seen on these

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_01]: updates on these roundtables. Hell

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_01]: she hosted one of the episode recaps

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: last Sunday. She is a contestant. I

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_01]: got the chance to talk with all of

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: these people in the preseason. Those

[01:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: interviews are going up daily two at a

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_01]: time both on the Rob has a podcast

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_01]: podcast and video version as well as

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: parade dot com. So be sure to check

[01:10:51] [SPEAKER_01]: all that out. My interview with Asia

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_01]: as well as podcaster John Lovett are

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_01]: already up. We're going to keep going

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: with that until the premiere. Other

[01:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: than that I'm doing a TV for real

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: with Sasha Joseph where we talk to

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_01]: reality stars about their scripted TV

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_01]: taste. So plenty of stuff going on. I

[01:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: know that there is a circle is coming

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_01]: back. Terran I think I'm gonna be

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_01]: joining you and Puya to hop into like

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_01]: some brief spots of coverage there

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_01]: before we go full survivor for the

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_01]: long haul. But you can check out

[01:11:18] [SPEAKER_01]: everything I am doing at a Mike

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Bloom type on social media. Thanks

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: for having me again. All right. Well

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: thank you all so much for joining us

[01:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: here today. And I will see all of you

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_02]: next time.