BB26 Roundtable: The Jury Begins, Week 8

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Hello everyone and welcome to the Big Brother 26 Roundtable Podcast.

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_04]: This is the podcast where we talk about everything from the feeds, we rate the players from 1 to 10 best

[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_04]: on how well we think they are doing in the game. I am your host, Taran Armstrong, with me today.

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Talk about it all. Talk about all of the feeds nonsense going on this week.

[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Melissa, I didn't want to.

[00:00:41] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing well. I feel like every time I come on for the roundtable, I'm like, oh,

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I did not expect this to be the outcome of the week when we last spoke. And I feel like once

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_01]: again, that's the case. It was a wild week, very exciting, a lot going on. And I feel like

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_01]: these house guests don't disappoint. So very exciting.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_04]: This is one of those weeks where, at the end of last week on Thursday's podcast,

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_04]: this is where I thought we were going to be. It's just that for a little while they

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_04]: were like, oh, I guess we're not going in that direction. Oh, there it is.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_04]: All right. Well, with me to talk about it as well here, it's Poo yeah. I didn't put yeah.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing good. I'm happy to be back. I'm here to drink this coffee and tank everyone's

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_03]: stocks. So enjoy this journey because once it's done, it's it's Wreck-n-time.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_03]: But no, it's been listen. It's been a fun time. First week of jury is officially upon us.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like a lot has changed since we why first last was here. So we're gonna have fun with it.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. All right. Well, of course, you are able to rate the players yourself

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_04]: and answer some questions in the survey. You can still find that over on my Twitter.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_04]: If you want to fill it out, you still have roughly 20 minutes to do so. So you

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_04]: can go ahead and do that. But the last time we spoke here on the round table,

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_04]: things were so different. You know, Quinn was HOH. He had just nominated Joseph.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, dude, what are you doing? You know, and turns out the vote flipped against Joseph

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_04]: not only in the way that we thought, but in the way that we thought

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_04]: wasn't going to have a similar thing where like I was like, man, if they're willing to flip on

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Rubina or flip to keep Rubina, surely they're willing to flip Kima. But then it didn't happen.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, I guess it's not happening. And then it happened. So we lost Joseph and with it

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_04]: all of were most of Quinn's sort of win equity and positioning. And Chelsea won the following

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_04]: HOH. Again, I figured Quinn would be the de facto target here. They just flipped on him. He's the

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_04]: biggest comp threat in the game for Chelsea beyond Cam and not for Chelsea because she has Cam

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and MJ. And I was like, it seems like Quinn is the easy target. But she did not want to target

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Quinn. She felt bad for the flip. And she initially was looking at targeting Angela,

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_04]: the target then shifted to Kimo with both of them on the block and MJ won the veto.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Things got a little messy, but the overall gist of is that Chelsea thought twice about it and

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_04]: realized that Quinn is the better shot for her, at least in her mind, also in my mind,

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_04]: but that is debatable from some people's perspectives. I don't know if they're

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_03]: from your perspective. I think that when it comes to Chelsea, she is one of the few players

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_03]: where you can debate like a multiple number of people that could be the better target,

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_03]: depending on what POV you're looking at, what factors you're taking in. And we'll definitely

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_03]: dive into this more when we get to the ratings, I'm sure. But I definitely, you see a world

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_03]: where Kimo leaves you like good for her. The trio split and the two that she is planning on

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_03]: taking far stay. That's really good for her, not too shabby. On the other side of the coin,

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_03]: she gets rid of Quinn here. The trio still intact. They should still be a target for

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_03]: everybody else. She doesn't have to take the shot, also good for her. I think the beauty of

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_03]: talking about her game is that despite some of the things she says or actions she has,

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like she's situated in Sir herself in almost a foolproof place where

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_03]: really you can't go wrong. It's just how great are you with the move? What percentage right

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: is it? And then that can be a debate for people. Yeah, I feel like they should not be keeping

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_01]: the trio around for so long. I just think that it is so dangerous to have three solid people

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_01]: in the house still. I mean, I definitely think they should have gotten someone from the trio

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: out last week, but they didn't. And now that they didn't, the idea is like, okay, maybe do it now.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think once you put Quinn up on the block, I feel like

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: it's pretty precarious to be like, oh, I guess maybe we can trust him and let's just not

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_01]: vote him out. I feel like if you backdoor somebody, it's kind of like, you kind of have to go through

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: with it. And I think if Quinn promises them and does all this stuff, maybe he'd be true to that,

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: but I think he would have really good reason to not be true to it because it's like, oh,

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: you guys literally tried to get me out. We're near the end, sorry, I'm not going to keep

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: any promises. But he should be promising everything right now. But yeah, I just feel

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_01]: getting the trio, separating the trio is crucial for everybody except for the trio.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really know why they don't... I feel like they're sitting there thinking like, oh,

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_01]: okay, that's something we can do in the future. That's a future problem. We'll just get them

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: out next week. But it's like, we're getting down to it and the odds are getting leak for you

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: to get someone out from the trio if you keep getting rid of people outside of the trio.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know. I would think that getting someone out from the trio would be the best move

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and making a deal with Quinn and Leah prior to nominations or whatever, just being like, look,

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_01]: we're over here, you're over here, we've got this solid trio right here. We need to take a shot.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's all whatever call it truce. But that didn't happen. I don't know.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Who would backdoor somebody and then change their minds and not vote them out?

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh boy.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been wanting to play that one all week, really all season. This is such a big brother can't...

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_04]: I know people have been talking about Big Brother Canada 6 as a comparison to this season

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_04]: because of the strategic landscape of the season. But it's more like Big Brother Canada 6 played by

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Big Brother Canada 9 in terms of the strategic decision making that's been happening.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I would probably agree with that.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_04]: But yes, Melissa's argument is one that I have heard a lot, which is this trio

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_04]: is very dangerous. They need to be broken up for me. It reminds me a lot of Big Brother 17

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_04]: when I was hearing the same things about Vanessa and how she was keeping the Ostwinds in for so long.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And at the time I was making the argument that she was making a strategically sound decision

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_04]: because the Ostwinds were such a good target in front of her. And specifically for Vanessa,

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_04]: she really needed a strong target in front of her because there was so much heat on her as an

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_04]: individual and she didn't have the social connections to do anything else. She needed

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_04]: to strategically position herself in a spot where they wouldn't come for her because there was too

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_04]: big of a threat elsewhere. Now, obviously it's not the same here. It's a very different trio

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_04]: and a very different landscape. And for me, the reason why I do think... And I've made this

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_04]: case before but for the sake of the round table, I think that specifically for Chelsea,

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_04]: she is in with that trio real good. Nobody in that trio is putting her up. If they do take a shot

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_04]: at her trio, the MJ Cam Chelsea trio, it's MJ and Cam on the block. Chelsea's not touching the

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_04]: block and quite frankly, if one of them comes down, I think it's Angela on the block as the

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_04]: replacement. I really feel like they're leaving Chelsea alone. And for that reason, I think

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_04]: protecting that trio, leaving them as a target for not only her own allies but also for anybody else

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_04]: in the game like Leah and Angela is valuable. Especially as she heads into the end game because

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_04]: she's not only able to then use them as a shield or a weapon, but also protect T-Corps in that group

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_04]: who is the one protecting her. It's sort of like an inadvertent... I wouldn't even say Jason

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_04]: and Danielle because it's not really what they did. But the thing that everybody wants to do

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_04]: as Jason and Danielle, which is basically be the heads of two separate alliances

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_04]: and then keep each other safe via their alliances and then whittle their own alliances down.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_04]: If they were doing that intentionally, it would be very impressive. They are doing it

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_04]: unintentionally, I believe to some degree. And it is still very impressive. It'd just be cool

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_04]: if they had plotted it out from the beginning that way. But it's a good spot to be in for

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea. I like it a lot personally. I'm not super worried about this trio in terms of like

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_04]: comping out or anything. I really feel like the MJ and Cam are going to win something.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And when they win something, they're going to take a shot at that trio. They're going to

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_04]: whittle it down to just T-Corps and Kimo or T-Corps and Rubina, at which point they're

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_04]: a lot less dangerous. And now the retaliation goes against MJ, Cam, and back and forth.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And Chelsea and T-Corps are the ones that get to kind of like

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_04]: stand above that rubble. And so I think it's, I think this trio formula structure works for

[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_04]: both of them for now. They will eventually need to take shots at each other if they want to

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_04]: guaranteed win against their own people or even people from the other side. But that's why

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I felt like this was the better call. And I felt like between the targets, the available

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_04]: targets, most importantly, Quinn and Leah and Angela to some degree are basically the only free

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_04]: thinkers left in the house. That's why, like the game becomes so stable if you remove them from

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_04]: the equation. Rubina and Kimo, they're going to do what T-Corps says. MJ and Cam at the end

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_04]: of the day seem to be doing whatever Chelsea says, which means if the two of them are aligned,

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_04]: they basically just control the rest of the game. And if you leave Quinn in the game or Leah or Angela,

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_04]: they are people, you can make deals with them. You can reason with them. You can have a relationship

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_04]: with them. But they're kind of too strategically self-interested to lock in in the way that like

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_04]: MJ seems to be snowed, Cam seems to be loyal and Rubina and Kimo seem to be just like

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_04]: really friendly and loyal. So that was sort of I think how the way I see it in terms of this move

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_04]: and why I think it's good for Chelsea. But because of that, vice versa, really bad for MJ and Cam.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the thing is it's like, yeah, maybe this is good for Chelsea. And I guess that's

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_01]: really all that matters. Like she's the HOH, but it's like, I just wish someone else would step up in

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: here and be like, look, you know, why are we keeping this trio around when we have the option to get

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_01]: rid of them right now instead of saving them for a future week? It's a little discouraging

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: because it's like, like you said, I mean, once they whittle it, it's just going to be whittled

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_01]: down until it's just the two trios left at the end. And then they're just like, you have T-Corps and

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Chelsea kind of being like, okay, who are you willing to get the part with at this point? And

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: then we just kind of go back and forth like that maybe. But yeah, I don't know. I really,

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and maybe this is just like also me myself wanting, you know, Quinn to stay and wanting

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Quinn, Leah and Angela to stay because they're the most exciting, you know, potential things in there

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: that could kind of cause chaos. As much as I love the idea that T-Corps and Chelsea are just,

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, dominating, it's kind of boring. So, you know, as a viewer, I would like Quinn to

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: stay. And so if I can make the argument that it's good for Chelsea's game to keep Quinn around,

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_01]: then I would want to make it. But yeah, it does seem like it's probably better for the others.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And you would hope that they would argue that case. I mean, there's enough. I mean,

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_01]: it doesn't even matter at this point because like Chelsea's, Chelsea already put them up.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just about the votes. If they could convince Cam and MJ, and it would be like Cam, MJ,

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Leah, maybe honestly, like if Angela could like see her position in the house and just

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of be like, okay, let me like look above and see that there are two trios in the house.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm kind of on the outs. So is Quinn and Leah. Maybe we could be a trio. You know what I mean?

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Like maybe Angela could see that. But I don't know. See to me, I feel like I don't think

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_03]: it's going to get boring yet. Right? There's still like even if Quinn was to leave this

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_03]: week, I think there's enough variables there for something good to brew. I think already

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_03]: the trio has thought about, hey, listen Cam and MJ, we got to like figure them out at some point

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_03]: was the other side Cam and MJ are like, this trio needs to get become a duo. They need to

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_03]: downgrade in that department. And then obviously you saw Leah in there. So in seeds, you saw

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Angela in there doing what Angela does best, which is just throw things at the wall,

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_03]: see what works, see what impacts things. But I think my personal frustration and this is going

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_03]: to come off a little mean maybe. I don't know. It depends on how I worded it. I guess. So let me

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_03]: let me think about a second. I don't like chemo feeling this comfortable and not saying anything.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like the the reservoir. Like they're just the we're chilling. We're fine.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_03]: That is the thing I don't like. And I personally, and this might be petty of me,

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm ready to see a pair or a duo from the trio or duo from that side. I'm ready to see the Vito

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_03]: ceremony be done and two people that are working hard together be left on the block.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm ready for that level of dissension a little bit, because I think that to your point, Melissa,

[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_03]: the worry about things getting boring is that is getting to a place where not that there's

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_03]: no passion, but it's a well, I like these three people. So I don't need to talk or say anything

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: and then it's going to get quiet. You don't want that. You don't want the steam to run out of the

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_03]: show. And maybe that's why you're thinking, okay, well, if Quinn stays will have some of that because

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_03]: he is part of the more wild cardy, maybe he does something different. Whereas the others,

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_03]: it kind of feels like they've locked in their answers and they're just waiting for the next

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_03]: round. And that's when it gets a little bit too like, man. And that's the thing is like for

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_01]: the people in the chat who are like this season is anything but boring. Why would you say

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: it's boring? It's like, no, no, I'm not saying that the season so far is boring.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: You're talking for future you. I'm saying that it could be boring if that your exact scenario

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_01]: happens and then we're just sitting there twiddling our thumbs like while every week,

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_01]: no one really is. There's no movement. There's no potential for movement because it's just

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: two groups of friends who are like, well, I'm not going to turn on my friend. So

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_01]: we're just going to have to decide which of your friends we'd like to get rid of first. Like,

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like that's not going to end. And then you have the friends who are on the block

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: together being like, well, I'm not going to come campaign against my friend. So I'm just

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_01]: going to let things go. It just seems like I'm the one to go. So that's fine. Like,

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_03]: that's where you get the boring stuff. So I kind of get it because two of the four

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_03]: votes needed are Rabina and Ticor. So he obviously knows and feels like he has them.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_03]: He needs two more. He feels good about the connections made so he can feel calm about

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_03]: the numbers. But on the other side of the coin, Kimo, think of it this way, man.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Angela was proposed as the target to you and then removed from the block to have Quinn be put up

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_03]: on there. Yes, Quinn could be the back door target. But if you were always the pawn that

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_03]: wasn't going home, why am I still on that block? Like feel a little bit skeptical. Get a little

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_03]: bit inquisitive. That's all I'm looking for. But I feel like he's not really doing, making

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_03]: a lot of effort. And I feel like also in this space, in this community, we always do like the

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_03]: people who don't give up until they leave. I had my feelings about Brooklyn kind of being salty

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_03]: and being like DeFetus the first time she was on the bottom. But I gave her credit for really

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_03]: going out of her way until the very last bitter end. And I like that energy. So I think

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Quinn right now is going to be giving that energy. Kimo though, he's just chilling.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And if I'm anybody else in the house, I'm like, uh, dance for the supper a little bit. I think

[00:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: camps it something to this effect. Like I want you to work for it. You know, work for

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_03]: your on the work for it earn my vote a little bit. Yeah. I mean, and I certainly hear all this,

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_04]: especially because basically what I am arguing for why this, I think this is

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_04]: strategically correct for Chelsea is because I do think that it simplifies the game.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_04]: It makes things right here, which is good for a strategic player like Chelsea who's in a position

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_04]: to benefit from that. Probably bad for the viewers. I mean, it's a, it's, you know,

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_04]: it's an interesting thing. And part of the frustration watching the T court trio is that

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_04]: there are technically nine players in the house right now. But practically we're mostly

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_04]: seeing like seven at best, right? Because Kimo and Rubina are mostly just extensions of T court.

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Or at the very least they, the three of them operate as one.

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_01]: How do they think we're going to win with that? Like I'm sorry, but like

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_01]: that it just like, you don't win by just like being part of a trio and just going along with

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_03]: whatever the lead trio person says, like, I will give Rubina this though. I think that Rubina

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_03]: without playing the game is socially incredible to watch. And I feel like as someone who's able

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_03]: to make really strong social ties, which is arguably the biggest thing you need in the

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_03]: game of big brother is that ability to just talk with anybody and make connections with

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_03]: anybody. So I think she's got that. And to be clear, I know that Kimo it can be paranoid,

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_03]: but it's kind of like that. I'm paranoid, but also I'm not going to do anything about it.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_03]: That is that it's that thing that no follow through that gets it for me. But again, if Chelsea can

[00:19:22] [SPEAKER_03]: take away the wildcard variables, then it is more straightforward. And I think from where she's

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_03]: standing, well, they're never going to go for me and my people are not going to go for me.

[00:19:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's perfect for me. They're going to go after each other and the way we've set it

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_03]: up. Kimo will be the first one to go. Then we get to this five and the girls we've said

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_03]: we're going to have each other's backs, me, Cam and T course that we have each other's backs.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_03]: So she's kind of set like in a wild way. She if everything goes according to plan the next

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_03]: couple of boots, she can see her path to the end, which is predictable, but perfect for her.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_04]: So why would she want to go against that? Yeah. And as viewers, I think that what we want is

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: as many players as possible, scheming as often as possible. And so when three people are

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_04]: operating as one, that simplifies things. It makes things less dynamic most of the time.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_04]: And then when you have on the other side, like, Cam is starting to meld into Chelsea,

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_04]: MJ is starting to meld into Chelsea. They are starting to look like one player. It starts to

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_04]: look like, okay, there's two players. When Quinn leaves, there's then Angela and Leah,

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_04]: who despite being close, I would still definitely qualify as separate players at the moment.

[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_04]: So you can see why I think some people may be fearful.

[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_04]: That said, I think that even a three player or four player game right now is fairly interesting

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_04]: because I do think the trios will start looking at each other next week,

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_04]: which will leave the wildcards Leah and Angela in the game,

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_04]: which I think is pretty fun. And it is like, the irony is not lost on me that like,

[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_04]: we're watching this game of cutthroat competitiveness. And like, people just being actual friends

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_04]: is annoying because they won't turn on each other. It's like, where where's your self interest?

[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_04]: How come you're not turning on your friends? Don't you know you don't you know you should

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_04]: be playing for us and money? And you know,

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean to be fair, yeah, they should be.

[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Don't you understand capitalism?

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't you understand good TV?

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_04]: So certainly, at least from my perspective, no judgment to people that are genuinely friends

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_04]: in this house. But but that is not what they're looking for with casting, certainly.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_04]: And it generally tends to not be what we're looking for in the show.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_04]: I do take the point, though, as well. I agree. I think Rubina in particular

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_04]: has the tools she needs in the same way that MJ has the tools that she needs to if they wanted to.

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_04]: For Rubina, it's if she wanted to if for MJ, it's if she knew to

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_04]: break off and go for the win themselves. They absolutely could.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_04]: Rubina, I think is she set it outright to T Corp. I know I'm your shield. I'm fine with it.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm happy for you to win this game, essentially for MJ.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I think she just has a misread on the situation, which is the more common way this happens.

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_04]: And thinks that playing for Chelsea's interest is actually playing for her interests.

[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it possible that like it's her and Cam? It's because Chelsea's HOH and like,

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, it's not truly like what they are intending to do and play as. But like,

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: obviously, they're going to act like loyal little soldiers when Chelsea is in power.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I don't think she's playing her. No, if that's what you're well, no,

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_01]: not like playing her, but just kind of like obviously like deferring to her more in this

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_01]: situation because she's HOH and not with the intent of playing with playing her like, oh,

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_01]: haha, I'm deceiving her. But more just like you're in power. So as long as I'm safe,

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_01]: like I want to do what you want to do. I want to like anything I'm all for whatever

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_01]: your plan you've got cooking up. Like is it possible? See, this was the thing for me

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_04]: is that it was kind of like MJ's idea. Like MJ was pushing the Quinn move,

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I think more than Chelsea was. True. Like, I think MJ of her own position

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_04]: didn't came up with a strategy that benefits Chelsea. Like that's right.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's not like, but maybe not with the intent of like, I want to benefit

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Chelsea because she's our leader versus like, it seems like Rubina and Kimo are like,

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to benefit T-Corps where it's like these two, it's more like,

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is a good idea for us, for me. Like, and then it turns out like actually

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_03]: it's better for Chelsea. Yeah, like I think MJ is playing the game currently in a way where it's like,

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_03]: what's good for you is the exact same good for me and exact same good for him, which is definitely

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_03]: not how the game is. Like you can be in an alliance of three and one move is better for

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_03]: one than the other for sure. But I think right now for MJ, it's like we're a unit and whatever

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_03]: we decide to do is the best move is collectively for all three of us.

[00:24:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. All right. Well, let's talk about some of these survey questions.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Cool. Of course, as always, I had the audience rank the players from their favorite

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_04]: to their least favorite. Who do we think is the audience favorite?

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Remind me who it was last week. Last week, Chelsea took the top spot from T-Corps for the

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_04]: first time since week two. I bet it's still Chelsea.

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Chelsea or it's T-Corps, I think I think it's I'm going to double down. We'll go Chelsea again.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea is correct. I will not go through the process of having you both guest T-Corps as

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: number two because she is easy. Although I would probably say Cam for me for number one right

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_01]: now, he is giving me a lot on these feeds. I'm so happy that he's still here because I feel like

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_01]: every second there's like a new Cam clip that goes around Twitter where he's like doing some goofy

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_01]: song or some goofy like commercial or some goofy thing like he's his him and Kimo doing their

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: little bar scene. They are so funny. Cam is so funny. He's made for that. He's an

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_03]: instant. He's a TikTok person. Yeah, he's a content creator on the social media space and

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_03]: the dogs in the crib are out. They are out here with us. We are all dogs in the crib now. I am so

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_01]: glad. That was so exciting. We found the dogs and they're here. They exist. They posted pictures.

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_01]: They're on Twitter. It's very, very great because I was feeling so sad when Cam was like

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_01]: the dogs aren't even watching and now the dogs are watching. We thought we were going to have

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_01]: to step up and be the dogs in the crib. Turns out they've been here all along. Yeah.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Does that mean you think Cam is number three? Honestly, I do. Of nine left, Cam. Let me quick

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_03]: survey Rubina's there. I mean, yeah, I'll go Cam. I'll lock Cam in. Well, last week,

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Leah was number three. This week, Cam is number three. Dogs in the crib.

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. Let's go number four. Who's number four?

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. Leah moving one spot I think makes sense to me. Like as in staying in that spot at four.

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can see that as well. It's her. It's Rubina, I think.

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I think Leah. Yeah, Leah is number four. Who's last? Who was last last time?

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I could see Kimo being last. Yeah, Kimo being last would make sense to me this week.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Usually he's not giving that much so. Could be Kimo or I don't think it's Angela. Could it be

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_04]: where was MJ last week, Taryn? Last week, MJ was seven.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_01]: But with MJ's vote, her iconic vote, that was like the best vote I've ever seen. Anyone give

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_01]: a good moment. Performance of a lifetime. She looks stunning and she was just so,

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_01]: it was just so poised and so emotional and it was like you felt like you were right there

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_03]: with her. Oh, that was so good. I don't know Kimo. I'm unbelievable to say because I like him,

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_04]: but I'm going to go Kimo here. Kimo is last. Okay. You've both gotten everything right. So I'm

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_04]: just going to need a full list at this point so we can finally see if we can get, if we can

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_04]: stump you here. There's four people left. There's in no particular order, Rabina, MJ, Angela, Quinn.

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_01]: What order? I think it goes MJ. I mean, Quinn. Well, I don't know.

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to go the order. The order you just told us, Rabina, MJ, Angela, Quinn.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the order. And Melissa, you said MJ, Quinn. I think MJ, but I see,

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I think I would put Quinn higher, but I think a lot of people wouldn't put Quinn higher. So I

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_01]: feel like I have to put Quinn lower. So I feel like it would be like MJ, Rabina, Angela, Quinn.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. You're both pretty wrong. Oh, okay. That's good. Cool. Yeah. Cool. All right. Yeah.

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_04]: You like that. A little surprise for us now. Here's the full list from the top to the bottom.

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_04]: It goes Chelsea, T-Core, Cam, Leah, Angela. Okay. Rabina. Okay. Quinn. MJ. MJ, Kimo.

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I was very wrong. Yeah, very wrong. I mean, the hard thing was to figure out for me was

[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_03]: where does Angela go after this week she's had? And then where does Quinn lie was really the two?

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I think Mackenzie being in the bottom two is probably right. And then Rabina, I feel

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_03]: like has kind of stayed, has she stayed around the same level for the most part?

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Rabina was fourth last time. She is sixth this time. So Rabina fell a bit. Okay. Leah dropped one

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_04]: mostly because Cam leapfrogged her. Angela rose above Rabina to go just behind Leah. Quinn rose

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_04]: above MJ. Those were the movements. MJ fell behind Quinn. And Cam made a big jump from

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_04]: from sixth to third. Yeah. So it's probably the most stable from last week that we've had all season

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_04]: in terms of like general positioning, mostly maintaining. I think MJ had a brief surge and then

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_04]: this week fell back further down. Yeah. I feel like we have to be grateful though that like

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_01]: our bottom is just because it's like a little boring, like not giving me much and like not because

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: he's problematic or there's no, yeah. It's so nice to just be like, oh, he's like just like a little

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: boring and he just is friends with people and not doing more than that. Oh, okay. That's fine.

[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Not quite punishment for being a terrible person. It's more so other people did stuff that

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_03]: lifted them up that week, either funny moments or moves and so on. You're kind of more so getting

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_03]: penalized for not being as animated or active as the other ones. Yeah. And in the past, there were

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_01]: certainly at least like five house guests every time that it was like they're going to be at

[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_01]: the bottom because they're, you know, whatever. We don't like them. We don't like them. So yeah,

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_01]: this is certainly a lot better. Yes. All right. Well, I asked the audience to rate

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_04]: the episodes this week. Last week, the episodes were a 6.4 this week of 5.9,

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_04]: which hurts because I think this is mostly from Sunday because Sunday was a bit of a dud.

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. But little bit Thursday. Come on. Thursday was really good. That was an all-timer.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_03]: It was an all-timer for an eviction episode in my opinion.

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of sad that the twist is over. Like, that's really weird to say, but I feel like that was

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: giving us so much excitement for the Thursday episodes. I honestly, I absolutely think they

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_01]: should bring it back next season, which is shocking that I'm saying that about a twist,

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_01]: but I really think they should. They don't need to do the AI thing. They just call it the

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Big Brother Arena. And there you go. You just have that on Thursday night. And

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_01]: it just provides some excitement and gives the house guests a chance to maybe save themselves,

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_01]: but also not in a way where it really impacts the game, but it's not unfair. Because the people who

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_01]: remain on the block still need to use strategy. It's not like, oh, well, there's only two people

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_01]: left on the block. They compete in the AI arena, and then one person just goes home without any

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_01]: strategy. There's still the strategy behind it. In fact, there's even more strategy, like,

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Terran had said, that it forces people to still treat people like they're in the game and that

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_01]: there is a potential that they will stay instead of just automatically writing them off. It feels

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_01]: like it keeps the game exciting up until the last minute versus before when it's like, oh,

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: well, these two people are on the block. That's how it's going to be. Now we just know we're going

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_01]: to get this person out. So we don't need to strategize anymore. We don't need to talk about

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_01]: it. We're just going to ignore them until the vote. And this at least keeps it interesting

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_01]: because there's a potential that that person could still stay in the house. And whether

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_01]: or not due to a vote, whether or not due to the competition win, I just think it's exciting

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm kind of sad that it's over. I think I agree with you bring it back,

[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_03]: but the one thing I would change is cut it by two weeks, make it five weeks instead of the seven

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_03]: that way because this way we went all the way to jury with it. I like the idea that for two

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_03]: weeks in between jury and the pre-jury era, you have to play the regular format that is

[00:34:13] [SPEAKER_03]: going to be prevalent in the end game regardless. And I kind of like that if you're playing

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_03]: this or I put me up because I'll just be on the in the arena or BB arena, whatever they're going to

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_03]: call it for two weeks. You don't have that safety jacket. If you're trying to make it to jury, how

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_03]: do you pivot from there? That and I also feel like as much excitement as it brought, it did

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_03]: come at the cost of the early bit of the week kind of being very samey samey,

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_03]: which was especially with a lot of the same three people being volunteers and available

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_03]: to be put up there for the mix. That took a little bit of that away, but hands down,

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_03]: it made the Thursday episodes 15 times better than what they were because for the most part,

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_03]: the Thursday episodes, the formula has been we've known what the result is since like Monday.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly. See, I said Thursday episodes of old and he was like, yeah, I know.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Thursday episodes were all right, but we've known the results since Monday. So the first

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_03]: half of the episode is them trying to make it seem like okay, we all wanted this person out,

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_03]: but what if we switch? What if this is better for my game to blindside this person? And then

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_03]: it was a unanimous vote. So it kind of gave us nothing. So this definitely enhanced the experience

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_04]: for me. Yeah, so okay, so this is the final AI arena rating from the audience. The AI arena is

[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_04]: done. There was one final AI arena rating. So I want to go back week one before we even saw

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_04]: what happened. The audience gave the AI arena twist of 4.7. The concept of it

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_04]: was a 4.7 from the audience after they saw it once in week two, they gave it a 6.2. They were like,

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_04]: pretty good. We liked this 6.2 very high for a twist week three, drop down to a 6.0 week four,

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_04]: drop down to a 5.8 then week five back up to a 6.3 which it maintained in week six. And then

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_04]: last week, week seven moved up to a 6.4. So it's been really hovering around that area,

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_04]: 6.4 very high for a twist. Yes. This week the final rating now that it's all said and done,

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_04]: what did we think of the AI arena twist? 7. something. 7.8. Wow. Wow. That is insane

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_01]: for a twist. Yeah. Wow. Your space 100%. Oh my God. I mean, I believe it. I would rate it really

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_01]: high too. But that's, I mean, I think that's a first for a twist to rate anywhere over 5.

[00:36:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, yeah. I feel like most twists are like 1, 2, or like, and like most twists provide

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_01]: entertainment for just that brief second that the twist happens but then kills the rest of

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_01]: the game or then it like ruined strategy or then it's like, oh, we wish this twist hadn't

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: happened. This like, it maintained. It was really good. It wasn't just okay on the night of the

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_01]: AI arena when we watch them compete. That's the entertainment. No, it like, it resonated

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: throughout the whole season. So yeah, they whoever came up with this twist did a good

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_04]: job and they finally proved that we're not just haters. We're not just haters.

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_01]: We're not. We're ready for the right one to come along. Yeah, we really are not just haters.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_01]: We don't just automatically hate every twist. It just has to be a good twist. And this was

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_03]: a good twist. Yeah. I mean, it's not often that you actively have a big portion of the fan base

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_03]: saying make this a regular part of the game mechanics moving forward. That's how much

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_03]: people enjoyed this. That's how much entertainment factor this brought to the table.

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_01]: This is the last time that happened was with the veto.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_04]: A permanent twist. A permanent twist. I'm pretty sure the veto is the only significantly permanent

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah. I mean, like you could say double evictions. But like in terms of like a

[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_04]: like the veto is like a weekly occurring thing. Like in terms of a weekly occurring thing,

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't think of. Yeah. And you know, many moons ago, they lied to our faces and said

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_03]: based on fan favorite twist, bring him back to battle the block, you bring back the arena.

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_03]: You're not lying to anybody anymore. Honestly, fan favorite people really dug it.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_04]: You can say it. All right. Well, just for comparison, by the way,

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_04]: the episodes this week again rated a five point nine compared to last season in week eight,

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_04]: a five point oh the record last season was zombie week.

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow. We were very generous of a five point audience. This is what I'm saying about the

[00:38:57] [SPEAKER_04]: episode this week's episodes, including Thursday's episode was only point nine higher than zombie

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_04]: week episodes. Wild. Really? I also asked the audience to rate the feeds this week. Last week,

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_04]: the feeds were given a six point two. This week, six point five.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. A little bit better. I think fair enough. Yeah. I think when the week starts and you have

[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_03]: well, obviously it's going to be this result and then you see Mackenzie wins the video. You're like,

[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_03]: obviously she's going to keep it the same for Chelsea and you don't anticipate all the

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_03]: wackadoo stuff that happens in between the end of having quim put on the block.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. I think expectations are shattered at that point. So it makes sense now compared

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_04]: to last season, the feeds last season at this at week eight were given a two point nine. Sounds

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_04]: about right. That was zombie week. Yeah. Point nine. The week that did not matter. That seems

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_04]: right. Okay. So then I asked the audience to rate the season as a whole so far last week.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_04]: The season as a whole was given a seven point five. This week, seven point eight.

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So it went up. I think again, the dissipation of the A.I. arena had people feeling really good

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_04]: about it. In addition to that, you know, we've started the jury phase and things haven't gone

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_04]: terribly like they did last season. So I think the audience is like, all right, well, let's open

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_04]: our hearts a little bit, you know, like, let's feel a little better about this. Now for comparison,

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_04]: last season, BB 25 has been leading BB 26 all season long in the season as a whole rating.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_04]: It's consistently been higher. The season as a whole last week again from the first

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_04]: BB 26, seven point five week seven for BB 25, seven point seven. So last season week eight,

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_04]: BB 25 zombie week, the season as a whole six point four. So there was a big drop in the

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_04]: season as a whole during zombie week, which means for the first time, big brother 26 has

[00:41:26] [SPEAKER_04]: surpassed big brother 25 as the superior overall season so far week eight. Nice.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_03]: And I agree with that. I there's a lot of players that we have gotten out of 25 that I adore and love

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_03]: and enjoyed watching, but I think 26 ultimately has been the better product so far in my

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_03]: personal opinion. And given the lack of a zombie week, given the comps that feel like

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_03]: more anybody can win so far, I think this can go all the way. I'm being better. I think this could

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_03]: be even in the conversation for best new era season when all of a sudden done. I mean, listen,

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_04]: huge difference here. The A.I. arena twist was given a seven point eight. The zombie twist

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_04]: was given a one point five. Not generous, still too generous with his number.

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Considering one is the bottom impressive. Yeah, when you factor it that way, you can't give it a zero.

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_04]: OK, so I asked the audience to rate Chelsea's H O A train now Quinn's H O A train was given

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_04]: a three point three. I bet if I reasked that question, it would go down. But Chelsea's H O A

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_03]: people thinking that the trio should leave versus people thinking Quinn should go

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of makes sense when you put it that way. I also think it makes sense in terms of like,

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I think she made the right move, but like could have been cleaner.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Also didn't need to win it. Yeah.

[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, last week, I asked the audience, did Leah make the correct decision with the veto?

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_04]: 84 percent of the audience said, yes. I decided to ask this question again. Smart.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Did Leah make the correct decision with the veto last week?

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_04]: 67 percent of the audience said no.

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I could have. I could have told you all that. Geez. I mean, obviously,

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_01]: like you think Angela is going to be loyal to literally anybody when has she ever been

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_01]: loyal to anyone, which I love. But it's like Joseph would do anything for Leah.

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_01]: She had a feeling that Joseph or she had been sort of warned that Joseph might go on the block.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is just like it also like, I mean, obviously Quinn, it had the potential to sour

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: her relationship with Quinn, but like they could have been a solid trio moving into this week.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And instead they have Angela was sitting there throwing them under the bus and

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_01]: trying to get them evicted. So yeah, that is not a good move.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the case you can make is the decision to use the veto was the right one.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_04]: It was the way she used it where she waited until the last minute and didn't talk to Quinn about,

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_04]: like maybe you shouldn't nominate Joseph as the replacement nominee and that Quinn nominating

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Joseph was the real mistake, which I would mostly adhere to. I do still feel like using that power

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_04]: is the play. But yeah, you can't let Joseph go as a result. That is not a good trait.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_04]: So ultimately it did turn out to be a bad decision and has certainly put her game in a much worse

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_04]: spot. So I also asked, did MJ make the correct decision with the veto this week?

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_04]: 70% of the audience said no, a higher percentage than last week, which again, I think is like,

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_04]: we don't know the results. So this is pre-emptive, but obviously, but like,

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel much more confident saying this was not the call for MJ this week than I did last week

[00:45:13] [SPEAKER_04]: saying that for Leah, which I thought it was a good decision for the most part, Joseph going

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_04]: up, not the great thing to do, but that wasn't her call. Whereas MJ very much did this with the

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_04]: intention of putting Quinn on the block and 70% of the audience thinks not the right move. 30%

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_04]: says yes, 70% says no. Finally, who do you want to be evicted this week?

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_04]: 56% say chemo, 44% say Quinn.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Decent spread there.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that's the survey. Are we ready to rate these players?

[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. Yes, I still have some coffee left. I'm going to start drinking this a little faster.

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_04]: All right. Well, let's get into it then. Let's kick it off as always with Angela, who

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_01]: went up on the block again. The fact that we have to keep kicking it off with Angela is

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_01]: so funny because she's the most outrageous person each week. It's just like, I don't even know.

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_04]: So here's the interesting thing about Angela this week. Obviously, Angela Giesling,

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_04]: it's a thing. What the update was called this morning. There's definitely a world

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_04]: and an edit you could make quite frankly. You could give her the funeral edit if they

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_04]: wanted to. They could. You could say that Angela schemed and plotted her way to safety this week

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_04]: because a conversation she had tipped the dominoes and got her off the block.

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Now, realistically, was she like, did she really mastermind that? Like,

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_04]: we don't have to get into this specific. We could, couldn't we?

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, I think that what you can say is that she did help tip those dominoes

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_04]: and that she was doing something which is a lot more than doing nothing,

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_04]: which a lot of other people do in this house. And I do think that for whatever it's worth,

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_04]: this week has helped in a small, little tiny way. Angela's win equity

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_04]: because her story is starting to get a little better. You know, I've been saved three times

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_04]: by the veto. She probably doesn't know that that breaks a record, but, you know, it's still impressive.

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Three different people, two. Three different people have saved me from the block. Now,

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I think what the players in the house will say is, yeah, because you weren't a threat.

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Right? You got dragged to the end, so on and so forth. But like,

[00:48:08] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that you can start to make more of a case than like most people that get dragged

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_04]: to the end could make. And if you're up against somebody that is particularly not respected

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_04]: or particularly hated, you start to see a world where like maybe, like maybe there's a world.

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_04]: It's still pretty farfetched primarily because of how she's viewed in the house. And I think,

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_04]: unfortunately for her, that conversation with Chelsea yesterday where she was like,

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_04]: did you tell Leah that I said this? And Chelsea was like, you had nothing to do with it, Angela.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_04]: If you have an issue with Leah, it does not involve me. That tells me that Chelsea, like,

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Angela is not going to be able to get credit for this. Chelsea is going to be up and down

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_04]: saying Angela had nothing to do with that move. We didn't believe her for a second. Now,

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_04]: the truth is they did for a second. But I think she is going to struggle to get some credit for this.

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And she's going to struggle to get some credit for a lot of things.

[00:49:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And I honestly don't know that that's like super deserved. I think that she should be getting

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_04]: some credit for some of these things. I do think that in terms of this archetype and the

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_04]: position that she's in in the game, she is like she has the strengths of a stronger player

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_04]: than this position normally entails. Unfortunately, she also has probably deeper flaws

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_04]: that can sometimes negate those strengths. So where does this put Angela?

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Ultimately, I think I have to stay at a four. I think that last week she got herself off the

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_04]: block this week. She got herself off the block. I was tempted to go to a five.

[00:49:52] [SPEAKER_04]: But I still have trouble seeing this jury wanting to vote for her right now.

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_04]: But more than ever, I see the path and she's opened the door. For me, she's looking through

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_04]: that door to that five. The promised land of you actually have a shot to win this.

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. I mean, honestly, I'm going to give her the five because I do feel like it's

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_01]: impressive to me that she has been saved so many times from the block. And I also,

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's totally because it's like, oh, they just don't view her as a threat. So that's why

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_01]: she's getting saved and they feel like there's bigger fish to fry. I really feel like she is

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_01]: making moves that are causing people to take our block. Now, I do think that she,

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that when, I don't think that she's necessarily scheming intentionally. I think

[00:50:39] [SPEAKER_01]: she believes everything that she's saying to people. So when she says, oh, I heard this

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_01]: or these people are working together or whatever, I do think she actually

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_01]: believes that that's the case and that she's just giving them truthful information.

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's impressive that she was able to convince Chelsea of this information.

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And eventually that led to her getting removed from the block. I mean,

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_01]: she could have easily gone home. And I feel like each week they keep saying like, well,

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_01]: we can get out Angela's super easy. We'll just get out Angela. Like Angela's an easy target,

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_01]: blah, blah, blah. And yet she's still here. So yeah, I got to give her a five. I mean,

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where this goes because I don't really see, I don't really see her having allies.

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And also I feel like, you know, she keeps betraying her allies or anyone who could be

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_01]: an ally to her. So I feel like no one's going to really trust her. However,

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Chelsea and Cam saying, well, why Angela wouldn't make this step up. She's very

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_01]: trustworthy. She wouldn't lie. Like people still have this impression of her that she's

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_01]: this trustworthy person. And maybe it's just Angela's mist or whatever she can convince people

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_01]: that she's telling the truth or that she is honest and trustworthy or that this time

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_01]: will be different. So yeah, I'm interested to see where she goes.

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. What do you think, Julia?

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_03]: So first for me, I typically am not, I've not made an appearance on the round table

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_03]: in the jury phase in a while now. But my rubric always was more so let's look at what the week

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_03]: to week is, but once you hit jury, you got to take one equity into account or at least like

[00:52:17] [SPEAKER_03]: what the path to the end looks like. And I think that Angela this week has proven that

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, even despite being the easy one to put up on the blog, despite being the easy target,

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_03]: people always get tempted by a juicer target ahead of you. And Angela has definitely worked

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_03]: against herself at every turn she can to make someone annoyed enough that they want to get rid

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_03]: of her, but then somehow always finds her way off the block breaking this record. Having three people

[00:52:42] [SPEAKER_03]: use the veto on her is incredible. At the same time, I think that she has one equity now.

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_03]: She I felt like if you had asked me last week out of said she's drawing debt easily.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_03]: That being said, I'm not saying she has like 20% one equity 30%. I think she has like 5%.

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_03]: That's still drawing live than what it was last week for me. I think her biggest competition is going to

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_03]: be getting to the end and sitting next to someone who's ruffled feathers from here on out because

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_03]: as of right now, I think she sits next to anybody. Story alone will not get her there.

[00:53:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I think she needs another comp win to do something with to kind of remind people because

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_03]: despite having one two HOH is despite having made it all the way here,

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_03]: she's still very much discredited as it's just Angela, whatever. She needs to make some kind of

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_03]: a wave and I think she needs someone to make each other mad. I think we're definitely set up in a

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_03]: world where the trio can feel backstab for getting taken out by somebody else. This I can be upset

[00:53:42] [SPEAKER_03]: about this person. Something like that could help her out. That all being said, I do think

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_03]: she does have the opportunity to at least make the final two quite a bit more than

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_03]: her win equity of five. But also if I was to give her a five, I feel like then people who I rate

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_03]: higher, I have to bump them up and I don't want to bump them up. So I'm going to go with a four.

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. Well, the audience is with Puyana. They gave Angela four.

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm an Angela truther. So you know,

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you have her on your draft, don't you?

[00:54:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I've got my hopes up there. Oh yeah. Who do you have Angela and who else?

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea. And Chelsea. Okay. There you go. I had Tucker, but

[00:54:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and Puyana, what do you got left? I've quit in Leah. Oh man. Wow. Hey, Leah's not out yet.

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_03]: She listened. She's doing better than she was a while ago and

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, I've had just quit in Leah since week one. So we've been chilling.

[00:54:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Like honestly, right now I'm you know, I have chemo MJ cam.

[00:54:51] [SPEAKER_04]: And if you offer me a trade between Leah and the three of them, I would consider that is incredible

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_03]: factor that way. Oh boy. What does Rob have? Rob has nobody left. Rob has vibes. Oh, what about

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Amon must have the remainder? It must be Rebina and

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_04]: T-Corp. Rebina and T-Corp probably. T-Corp, yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. We'll see.

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Rob is just out. Yeah. I think it's I mean, right now it's looking like a battle between Amon

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_04]: and Melissa. Yeah. T-Corp and Chelsea with you know, Puyana, a dark horse with Leah and then me with

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_04]: like, listen to everyone else tanks. I've got three people riding in behind me. Oh boy.

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow. I've got the numbers. I don't have the value, but I got the quantity.

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You have the numbers on your side for sure. Oh boy.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_04]: All right. Let's talk about Cam then. How are we feeling about Cam? Because man,

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_04]: he should be in a position to win this game. What is he?

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I feel like there's still a chance because I feel like there's still game left. Like

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_01]: he could win something. He could like be the next HOH and you know, something changes. The

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_01]: tide's turned whatever. I don't know. I just feel like he's not really doing much on a day-to-day

[00:56:16] [SPEAKER_01]: basis aside from really entertaining me. But generally, he's not doing much game wise.

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a scenario where he kind of sticks with Chelsea and they kind of get to

[00:56:28] [SPEAKER_01]: the end and then somehow Chelsea gets sniped or something. And then he's left and it's like,

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, well, I can take credit for all of Chelsea's and I's moves because we did this together. We were

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_01]: locked in and like maybe something. It's difficult because I just don't feel like he's

[00:56:44] [SPEAKER_04]: doing much right now. I mean, as somebody who is invested in Cam winning this game,

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_04]: because it would win me the draft, I am frustrated because I can't find his path to win.

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Like because of what he wants, he wants to get to the end with Chelsea and T-Corps where he loses.

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. And even if he doesn't get to the end of Chelsea and T-Corps, maybe he gets the end with,

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_04]: okay, maybe Chelsea and MJ. Right. Where he still probably loses because he takes Chelsea over

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_04]: MJ and loses. MJ, I think, takes Chelsea over him and loses. And Chelsea doesn't matter

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_04]: what she takes. So it's still a losing final three. So what is the final three where he

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_01]: wins? I can't find it. Yeah. If he ends up in the end with MJ, like I think there's a potential that

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_01]: MJ wins because she could argue like look like I was alone and I kept saving myself week after week

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_01]: in the AI arena and blah, blah, blah. And now look at me. Like I feel like she has a better

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_01]: argument than Cam who like really wasn't in danger. I mean, he was in danger like one time.

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. I really just, I need like, I need some, I need the like, the house to go back and

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_04]: forth a bit, whittle down the sides. And then like, okay, here's what I need for Cam to win.

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Leo wins the next H-O-H puts up T-Corps and Chelsea shakes the whole house up. Now all of a

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_04]: sudden one of them leaves now all of a sudden cams got some more some stuff to work with.

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Right. Like now all of a sudden cams in there with a chance. But unless that happens, it's

[00:58:07] [SPEAKER_04]: looking a little dire. Now that's pretty, that's pretty long term. Like there's still

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_04]: some, he's still probably mostly good right now. Maybe some danger of the trio targeting

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_04]: him next week. But, but with Quinn leaving, he is probably the most physical threat left him in MJ.

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So at least that's how the house sees it. So, you know, there's always a chance he

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_04]: comps out. It's just like the problem, the problem is I was banking on him or MJ comping out,

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_04]: which they might do, but neither of them are making smart decisions with those wins

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_04]: right now. So it doesn't help me. But yeah, so not sure.

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I want to give him a five. Like, I mean, I feel like that's the thing though,

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_01]: is that like, I want to give him a five, but I don't feel like this week is bad for him

[00:58:58] [SPEAKER_01]: necessarily. Like, I feel like it's fine. I don't know. I, maybe I'll, let me look at

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it would have been better for him if Leah was on the block and not Quinn. I agree.

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's the big knock for him because again, the problem with the way Cam set up his game

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_03]: is that the people he wants to take to the final three have set themselves up so well

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_03]: that they will get to the final three, which is his ideal final three, but it's just losing

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_03]: final three because even in a, like the only situation where one of those two go is if Aliyah

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_03]: wins next week and says, yup, Chelsea going up, T-core going up because in more other outs, if

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_03]: two of the trio are up and T-cores one of them, the other ones leaving or if MJ and Chelsea are

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_03]: up, MJ is leaving, which means they still stay and he still loses to them. So, but if they

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_03]: leave, he's in a very good spot. And that's the thing. And so they leave in a very good

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_03]: spot, but also I think with Quinn leaving, he is the bigger target. I think if the trio

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_03]: went next week, there's a big chance that he's the one going out next. So that's not great for

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_03]: him. I feel like a five. Melissa, I think that's appropriate because I think he got that equity,

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_03]: but his equity lives and dies with the lives of Chelsea and MJ, sorry, Chelsea and T-core in

[01:00:25] [SPEAKER_03]: this game until he changes his mind and decides to go to the end with other people.

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. Yeah, it's sort of like I'm rooting against him for his own sake, if that makes sense.

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Like I'm rooting against what he wants because I think what he wants is bad for him.

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you want what's best for him, not what he wants.

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly. Well, the audience agrees with the two of you. They gave him a five.

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I've been back and forth on it. I feel like I am concerned about these long term things,

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_04]: but we do still have room to play. There's a lot of ways that the game could change

[01:01:03] [SPEAKER_04]: theoretically. He could change his own mind. I think, yeah, I think I'll go with the six.

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_04]: It's still going to be a five. But yeah, I think, I do think him and MJ are going to do well in

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_04]: comps. And I do think they're going to make it closer to the end. And then you never know.

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Like somebody could snipe out somebody at the final four. There's way. I think he's

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_04]: decently in there safety wise. So I'm back and forth, but I'm going to give him a six.

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, let's talk about Chelsea.

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I'm giving him a five.

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, what are you about to say about Chelsea that you?

[01:02:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was like, I just like I keep going because like long term it's bad short term. It's good.

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_04]: But like I forgot like in this week, I really did not like his move

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_04]: to act like Chelsea at Quinn and Leah. And I think I have to punish him for that in the

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_04]: rating. I think I have to. Okay, Chelsea, how do we feel about Chelsea?

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like overall, I mean, this has been like a fine week for Chelsea. And I don't think it's

[01:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: necessarily a bad move for her to target Quinn. Because I think, I mean,

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I think because her and T-Cor have this like understanding, like it's not bad for her to keep

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: the trio kind of more intact. But I do think that like, I don't know, it's a little bit risky.

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think generally, because of this like thing with T-Cor, it's less risky than it would be

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: if say like Cam or someone was targeting Quinn and not the trio.

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that ultimately, when the week started, I was firmly in a position where I thought,

[01:03:15] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, what you said right before the feeds went down before HOH,

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_03]: if Kimo goes on my HOH, I didn't vote him out. Kind of perfect for you because you

[01:03:23] [SPEAKER_03]: didn't vote him out. You didn't vote him out and you saved him last week. So kind of like

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_03]: a double benefit. Why not? And again, you keep Rabina, you keep T-Cor. That's perfect for you

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_03]: because you're working with those two from the trio. Then Quinn, then it switches to wanting

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_03]: to put up Quinn or Leah. I still thought Leah would be the better one for her because I did

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: feel like Quinn is rocking with her because who else is Quinn going to rock with?

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_03]: But also, I watched the feeds. I saw Quinn talk about how, listen,

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_03]: late next week we might have to talk to MJ and Cam and point out how Chelsea is playing

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_03]: the middle. So ultimately, even if I thought Quinn was rocking with her and even if Quinn truly

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: meant it, Quinn is one of the few people who's definitely clocked Chelsea's game. And someone

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_03]: who could definitely, if he wins a comp, could be like, listen, I'm going to put all of this out

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_03]: there. You all do with the information what you want. And I still trust Chelsea to find a way

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_03]: out of that situation. But getting rid of someone who not only sees your game like that, but is

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_03]: most likely to respect that kind of game is not bad. That is someone who you're getting

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_03]: rid now. You stay longer in the game. He already thought highly of your game, good spot to be in.

[01:04:30] [SPEAKER_03]: On the flip side, if the vote flips and chemo goes again, going back to what I thought originally

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: when the week started, you keep T-Core, you keep, sorry, you keep T-Core, you keep, sorry,

[01:04:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Rubina. There we go. Not bad. Not bad for you. So I think in both ways you're looking good.

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that my original thought was she never needed to win this HOH to begin with. She

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_03]: in a position where you're set up for next week, you're set up for the double like you wanted.

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_03]: You're in a very good spot. I feel like an eight could be warranted here,

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_03]: despite it being her own HOH rain. Now, could I dock a little bit of messy points? For sure.

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_03]: There was definitely messy elements here that should knock it down to a seven potentially.

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And it might... All right, yeah, go come back to me. Let me, let me mold this over.

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_03]: You spoil alerts between a seven or eight for me.

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_04]: I think you nailed it for me. It's like, I like the move. I like her position moving forward

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_04]: for the most part, but I am docking her those messy points because I think she opened the door

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_04]: for this really bad outcome of Leah or Angela winning this next HOH. And the danger of her

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_04]: actually going on the block against T-Core next week, they have a theoretically a two

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_04]: and seven chance of winning that HOH. And while not super likely, that's like really bad.

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Like that's... It's a worst case scenario. And I think it was unnecessary. I think that she could

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_04]: have handled Leah way, way better. I think that like this could have been done a lot cleaner

[01:06:04] [SPEAKER_04]: and gotten her into a better position where it wasn't clocked exactly that she needs to go on

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_04]: the block against T-Core because even if she goes on the block against MJ or Cam, she's fine.

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_04]: But against T-Core is just like the exact shot on the Death Star.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_04]: Gosh, she opened up the vent. You know what I mean? So I am going to give her the messy point

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: docking and I'm going to give her the seven. Yeah. I think I agree with that. I think

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give her a seven as well because I do feel like if Leah wins next week,

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: like she's obviously going to target Chelsea. And it's just not great how this week kind of

[01:06:46] [SPEAKER_01]: went. But I don't think... I mean, honestly, I feel like she... Like her and T-Core are going to have

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: like the best ratings in the house. So I don't really think that like it's that big of a deal

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: to have her go from an eight to a seven. But I do feel like this HOH could have been handled

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: a little bit better. The audience agrees. They also gave her a seven. So it comes back to you.

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, at this point, I could even give her a six and the score is the same. What am I going to?

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, like I said, coming into this week, I felt like Chelsea was in the best spot.

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I still think Chelsea is in one of the two best spots. But having a big out like that where you

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_03]: could go home is not great because again, it's a small chance but it's a chance. So

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_03]: give her the seven. Seven is still good. It's a smaller alert. Could be better than

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_03]: literally everyone else in the house most likely. So not bad spot to be in.

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. All right. Well, let's move on to Kimo then who had a two last week because

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_04]: we thought he was going home if he was on the block.

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Guess not.

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And you can see they're next to it. I gave Leah seven last week because I also thought Kimo was

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_04]: going home. So this week, Kimo on the block again, not looking super. Oh, geez. I'm saying

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_04]: this. Now I'm saying it looks like he's staying but like with this house, who knows? That said,

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_04]: OK, let's assume he stays. Where is his win equity? Is the problem for me in T course pocket?

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_04]: That's where it is. Yeah, especially because of the trio. It really to me feels like

[01:08:40] [SPEAKER_04]: like even if somehow he landed there with Rubina at the end, I feel like Rubina beats him.

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_04]: So who does he beat? Angela?

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Angela. I mean, because if he has if he goes to the end and he's got T core and he's got Rubina

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_03]: in the jury, that's already two. He needs two more. Right. And depending on how T core

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_03]: puts in the work, I could see a world where he beats a few people. Maybe M.J. or Cam maybe.

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Kimo versus Leah. That's interesting because Quinn's there. Angela is there.

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_04]: So that's two votes versus two votes. And it comes down to Chelsea and Cam M.J.

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if Chelsea sitting at the end there because Leah. I think it's Kimo.

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think Kimo could win in that situation. He's got some outs, but

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_03]: it might depend on how they get there. Well, also, I don't necessarily know if Kimo can

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_03]: function in a house without T core. Like, I don't know what his game looks like from there on out.

[01:09:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it would be better. Okay. I still see the potential that Kimo had.

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. Because that speech was amazing. Yeah. In the beginning of the game when he had a mission,

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_04]: which was to be with Tucker, he went to at it. You know what I mean?

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You just need him to have a mission. Man with a plan. Hopefully it's to win the game.

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. No, I mean, to be fair, I do feel like we have to give Kimo credit. I mean,

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: his speech changed minds and I feel like that never happens on eviction night. So

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_01]: that was very impressive. I am concerned for him because it does feel like, okay,

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: he's constantly being put on the block as like, yeah, we'll just take Kimo out. And then

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: he miraculously gets saved because one reason or another, but that luck's going to run out.

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to constantly just be on the block and then be fine forever. So I am worried about

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Kimo. And I just feel like he's not even really campaigning or anything right now. He's feeling

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_01]: comfortable on the block and you shouldn't feel comfortable on the block.

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, I would feel a little better about him if he was actively campaigning and trying to make

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: sure like, okay, like I want to stay. I feel like Quinn is doing so much more than that. And

[01:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I do see a potential for Quinn to turn things around and stay, which means Kimo goes.

[01:11:11] [SPEAKER_03]: There's no AI arena to help him. I mean, in this house, it really is the you kick a pebble

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_03]: down a hill and then it gathers a lot of traction and becomes a whole like massive snowball,

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: like a cartoon. So if Quinn keeps kicking something could happen potentially. I think the thing with

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Kimo as well is that you got to remember that the final two, that speech, if you do the right

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_03]: speech, you can hit. And I think Kimo is literally shown that he's got the superpower

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_03]: that many wish they had, which is changing votes in the moment. So I think I would not count

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_03]: him out if he gets to the end for sure. It just the pathing to the end is going to it's going to

[01:11:50] [SPEAKER_03]: depend on I think the biggest thing for me though, is that in more outcomes than not, Kimo is the

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_03]: first of the trio to go if they're on the block together. And I think that's not a good spot

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_03]: for Kimo to be in at the moment. And in order for that to change again, he is similar to Cam in

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_03]: a wild way should be banking on like a Lee away or something where he's not the recipient of

[01:12:15] [SPEAKER_03]: the of the first blow to the trio. But even then, like if he keeps the energy as right now,

[01:12:20] [SPEAKER_03]: like he might be okay to get sacrificed. So it's tough because he's also on the block though.

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_03]: All of this said, it's tough because he's also on the block and he could still very much go

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_03]: even though he's not the main target at the moment. Yeah, I think for me it's a three.

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I think likely to stay but could leave. And even if he does stay, not the greatest position

[01:12:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm willing to agree that giving him a plus one because he lost the AI arena and

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_03]: still change the outcome of his journey and has made himself a juror is worth it.

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that is good return on value for him. Yeah, especially like, you know, he's not

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_04]: definitely or seemingly going home this time. So it's definitely be higher than last time.

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. And I mean, also, he is not Angela Geisling and didn't get the veto used on him.

[01:13:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So he can't get the four either. So three is kind of the ceiling here.

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_04]: All right. Is that a three from you as well, Pia?

[01:13:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm thinking about it because it could still be a two. But let me look ahead a little bit.

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, give him three. Three's good. Okay.

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I want to give him a three as well. But I feel like it looks bad that we're

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: literally sitting here giving everybody the same rating. But it feels right. It feels

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: accurate because I don't feel like I'm as worried for him as I was last week.

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_01]: But I do still think there's a chance that he could go home this week. So I don't know.

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I guess I'll still give him a three. All right. Well, the audience also gave him a three.

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So if anyone gets mad at us to also get mad at yourself is because I just I looked ahead and

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_03]: saw what the audience said I'm copy pasting. So yeah, he's trying to take my title.

[01:14:08] [SPEAKER_04]: All right. How about Leah, who took quite a fall this week in terms of, you know,

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_04]: I think last week it was like six on the verge of big increase if Joseph stays.

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_04]: Joseph did not stay. And now she's on the verge of losing Quinn. So what does that do for Leah?

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it means she doesn't have three votes on the jury. She has two, which is still pretty good,

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_04]: especially Quinn there. I do really think Quinn will be influential on the jury.

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_04]: The way that people talk about really liking him and respecting his game knowledge,

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I think he will be able to make some very good arguments for Leah.

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Probably no shade to Leah. I think she's probably a better player than Quinn,

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_04]: but like probably better arguments than Leah will come up with.

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_04]: But her position is a little sketchy. There's a world where the trio start targeting each other,

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_04]: and they are talking about it. And that world allows her to sit back with Angela, watch the fire

[01:15:16] [SPEAKER_04]: and wait to pick up a win when she's able to or just get the win and take that shot and blow

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_04]: up the house structure. She's not out of it yet by any means, but undeniably, this was not a good

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_01]: week for her. So I'm a little torn. Yeah, I feel like generally she lost Joseph, which we didn't

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_01]: think was going to happen. She's probably going to lose Quinn. I feel like the whole Angela move

[01:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: backfired. And I just feel like she's on her own if Quinn leaves. I just feel like she's just

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and maybe that's good for her because maybe she's seen us a number to be pulled in and things like

[01:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: that, but it's just not as good of a position as she was in last week. She's just not. She's

[01:16:20] [SPEAKER_01]: going to give her a four because although I gave Angela five. It's hard for me to sit there and do that.

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_01]: But then what are you going to do? Copy us, Melissa? Okay. At the same time, I do think that people

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: would see Leah as a bigger threat than Angela. And so they'd be like, OK, we need to do something

[01:16:44] [SPEAKER_01]: about Leah, especially if like they think Leah is going to come after them. Well,

[01:16:51] [SPEAKER_04]: so far they've been talking more about targeting Angela both sides. But usually they do that and

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: then they change their mind eventually. Yeah, I feel like Angela has been the target for ever.

[01:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I want to give her a four just because it's like it's just so bad to lose

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_01]: both your allies back to back if Quinn goes. And if Quinn stays, then I'll bump her back up.

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I just don't feel good about herself or her right now, which is like sucky.

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_03]: But in my gut, I was thinking four seems appropriate, but I have changed my mind. So here's my thing.

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like while Leah does have dark horse potential for that end game,

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_03]: and also could very much benefit from a war of factions here with two trios going at each other.

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_03]: The reality is if the trio that if the person that wins decides how it's too early to take

[01:17:47] [SPEAKER_03]: a shot or I don't want to be the one to start it, Leah is the target. She's the easy one to throw

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_03]: up on there now being on an island. She could potentially be sitting there with an Angela.

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, the person sitting next to Angela has been grim reapered out of this game every time.

[01:18:03] [SPEAKER_03]: And also they don't sit next to Angela for long because Angela comes off Angela comes off the

[01:18:07] [SPEAKER_03]: block and watches you and says goodbye. Yeah. And if you're following the Angela beef curse,

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Leah and Angela had a little bit of waves this week. So that could not spell well for her.

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: I think ultimately just using that veto last week, losing Joseph, losing Angela in a weird way,

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_03]: but still kind of having Angela a little bit, but then losing Quinn. I think these are all

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_03]: huge blows to Leah's game. And I feel like her long haul, like I think she she's someone

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_03]: who can I can definitely see repositioning well if someone else casts that first stone.

[01:18:44] [SPEAKER_03]: So because it's so uncertain and also because of the fact that ultimately, yes,

[01:18:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Kimo is on the block. And if he stays, he has his own team intact or he goes. Yes,

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Leah is not on the block and safe next week, but she could very well and probably is losing her

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_03]: best ally. So I'm going to go ahead and give her that three question mark or confirmation point.

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh boy. Well, the audience went with a four. And I do I see the three. I'd be tempted to go to a three.

[01:19:19] [SPEAKER_04]: Because just because of how dramatic the fall was. But I think there's enough outs

[01:19:29] [SPEAKER_04]: to land me at the four. I mean, the four is the same as Angela.

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I think I think there are enough outs for her in addition to her or Angela winning.

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_04]: She has the potential of even if she does get nominated, a backdoor situation going on

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_04]: for the other trio, which I think is very likely. And so, you know, I think,

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I think, you know, I believe there is potential for her to recover, but she has certainly not

[01:20:01] [SPEAKER_04]: recovered yet. So I'm not going to go quite as low as where Kimo is on the block right now.

[01:20:07] [SPEAKER_04]: But but yeah, definitely not looking great for Leah. All right. What about MJ?

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Because listen, I

[01:20:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, you gave her a six. Where are you now?

[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this is my problem is I was I was like, look at MJ, look at Leah, look at Cam and now look at them.

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Look at them. Just look at them.

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I think she's in a slightly worse spot than Cam, but not as bad a spot as Leah.

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_04]: But I gave Cam a five and Leah four. So I kind of boxed myself in there.

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_04]: OK, hold on. No, I can't give Leah three though, because Kimo's a three.

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I can't give Kimo a two because that's too low. I should have gave Cam a six.

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll listen. I'm giving her a five. I think it's fine.

[01:20:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think like

[01:21:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I think there is it's good and bad. I feel like she shouldn't

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: she shouldn't be using the veto. But at the same time,

[01:21:14] [SPEAKER_01]: like maybe it's good that she's getting super in with Chelsea and Cam. And so then she can kind of

[01:21:21] [SPEAKER_01]: ride with them for a bit. Whereas before it was kind of like she's on her own. She really has

[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: nobody. Maybe it's good that she's kind of been taken under their wing a bit. But at the

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_01]: same time, she's not going to beat them if it's the three of them in the end. So

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: ah, yeah. I mean, it's so tricky because it's like it also relies on, you know, the outcome of this

[01:21:44] [SPEAKER_01]: week and then what happens next week, which like obviously that's way it is every week. But

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_01]: this week especially it feels it feels tenuous. I feel like I kind of want to stick with my five

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_01]: just because I do like the fact that she is more ingrained with people than she was last

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: week. Like I do feel like it's better for her to have somebody whereas before it was kind of just

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_01]: like, yeah, let's just get MJ out. So yeah, I'm going to give her I'm going to stick with my five

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_03]: with her, but you know, we'll see. I mean, Mackenzie is putting Mackenzie on the map by winning

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_03]: the competition here helping out your allies is certainly good. So that's nice. Feeling

[01:22:30] [SPEAKER_03]: like a part of a trio I think is a good landing spot for her. But also on the other side of the coin,

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I think is somebody who does not benefit from some of the foundations laid in the house by

[01:22:43] [SPEAKER_03]: some of the other players and definitely could just be a casualty of the two trios going at

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_03]: each other for sure. But I don't think all hope is lost for Mackenzie. I think she could definitely

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_03]: and you know, Taryn, you brought this up a little bit this season where if the comps end up being more

[01:23:01] [SPEAKER_03]: old school slash physical, I think she's a top contender to win a bunch down the line here.

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's good for her. However, at the same time, well, listen, who said who said Stockwatch

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_03]: can do? You know, okay, fine, I give her a five. Are you happy like this? There's nowhere

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_04]: else to go. It's a five is a five. Yeah, some of these players like we already have talked about a

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_04]: lot on the yeah, or section of the round table. So it's like, yeah, as we've already kind of

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_04]: death with MJ, the audience agrees they gave MJ. Wow, another five.

[01:23:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, Quinn is also I think a fairly easy one at this point for me at least.

[01:23:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think he's a goner. I think that like there's always a chance.

[01:23:52] [SPEAKER_04]: If you listen to today's update, there was more of a chance this morning than there is

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_04]: than there is right now. It's looking worse for Quinn now. And, you know, ultimately,

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_04]: technically him nominating Joseph is outside of the range of this rating.

[01:24:12] [SPEAKER_04]: But, you know, last week he was a three. He wasn't going home. So yeah, I'm not quite

[01:24:18] [SPEAKER_04]: going to give him a one. I think that like, I get like if he nominated Joseph in this week,

[01:24:25] [SPEAKER_04]: I would give him a one. But like while I do think he put himself here, he almost got

[01:24:30] [SPEAKER_04]: himself out of it. And I actually think his campaigns have been pretty effective.

[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_04]: He really did flip MJ for a second there. Like he's doing much better than somebody who,

[01:24:39] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, volunteered or like totally tanked their own game. I do think he's hanging his own game

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_04]: in some capacity by hanging out with Leah too much. But like,

[01:24:47] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it's quite a one. I'm going to give him a two.

[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I thought I'd be the cool one that was not going to give him a one and give him a two.

[01:24:54] [SPEAKER_03]: So here we are because here's the thing. I think ultimately again, this season is super

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_03]: unpredictable. This is our first Thursday eviction where we're not going to have an AI arena. So it

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_03]: should most likely be fleshed out by then. But even right now, there's still an itty bitty chance.

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_03]: But the chance is not big. Think of it this way. In order for him to stay, he needs

[01:25:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Angela's vote, Leah's vote, Cam's vote and Mackenzie's vote. If one of them decides they

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_03]: don't want to do this, it falls apart because Chelsea does not want to do a tie breaker in his

[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_03]: favor. That ain't going to happen. So it's already tough from that angle. But I will give him a two

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'll give it under this preface is that if he leaves, no one was buying this stock anyway.

[01:25:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But if he stays, it's worthy of not a one. You know what I mean? If he stays, it's worthy

[01:25:48] [SPEAKER_01]: of not a one. Yeah, I wouldn't give him a one because I don't feel like this week was really

[01:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: his doing. I mean, obviously like previous decisions like influence this week, but I don't

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_01]: feel like he is going home or if he goes home this week, it will be because of him this week.

[01:26:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I think like he set himself up in a bad spot via his previous decisions, but I don't think that

[01:26:13] [SPEAKER_01]: this week he's just totally tanked his game and he's just made so many mistakes and that

[01:26:18] [SPEAKER_01]: if he goes home, it's all his doing. I think it's a bad spot to be in and I think he would have had

[01:26:26] [SPEAKER_01]: more wiggle room had he not done the Joseph thing last week, but you know, it's tricky. I'm not going

[01:26:35] [SPEAKER_01]: to give him the one. I honestly kind of want to give him a three, but then it will be kind of bad

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_01]: to if he goes home like I guess because I still have hope that he'll stay. But if he goes home

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_01]: with three, like that's not so great. Like if I already knew that he was going home,

[01:26:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I would definitely give him the two, but I really do feel like there's a chance. I feel like

[01:26:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there's a chance he could stay and you know what? I'm just going to mix it up a

[01:27:05] [SPEAKER_01]: little because obviously we're doing like too many of the same ratings this week and so I'm

[01:27:11] [SPEAKER_01]: going to mix it up and I'm going to give him a three. I'm just going to do it. Wow. Wow.

[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. For the record, I would be willing to give him a one just off of momentum from last week,

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_04]: but he had a little extra room because of that because it was just momentum and then

[01:27:27] [SPEAKER_04]: also I think he did a good, he has done a good job campaigning so far. Okay, but wait,

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I have a question. If he stays this week, like if we already knew, if we know right now

[01:27:38] [SPEAKER_01]: looking forward, he's going to stay, what would your rating be?

[01:27:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Am I factoring in the fact that he managed to get the votes to stay? Or are we just talking

[01:27:48] [SPEAKER_01]: position? I think let's assume that he didn't do some crazy miraculous thing. It was able to

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: say let's assume that his campaigning is as it is now, but the people all talk to each other

[01:28:04] [SPEAKER_04]: and say, you know what? Let's keep him around. Just like positioning moving forward, Kimo leaves

[01:28:10] [SPEAKER_04]: this week, Quinn stays. I would probably give him four. I'd be higher. I mean, because here's the

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_04]: thing, what I've learned is that people really like Quinn. So I guess this is, can I alter your

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_03]: question a little bit, Melissa? Sure. If he was not on the block this week, what would his

[01:28:32] [SPEAKER_04]: rating be? Yeah, that's a good question. If Angela had stayed on the block and Kimo was leaving,

[01:28:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I think I would have given him a six. Wow. Because he shouldn't have stayed.

[01:28:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you've been saying he should be going home this week. So

[01:28:52] [SPEAKER_04]: I think that with Kimo leaving, now with Kimo leaving, it does kind of turn the

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea trio against him potentially. But maybe it would have been closer if I,

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_04]: it's possible it would have been a five. But I think he is certainly a much better position

[01:29:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and certainly still in contention to potentially win the game. So we'll see. Maybe we'll

[01:29:20] [SPEAKER_04]: be talking about him next week. We'll see. Well, the audience. Oh boy. They gave him a two.

[01:29:30] [SPEAKER_04]: Tough to get that from the audience. Okay. Rubina.

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, obviously in a better spot than Kimo at the moment.

[01:29:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in a better spot than last week because she was on the block last week,

[01:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: potentially going home. So yeah, certainly higher than a three. She has a good connection with

[01:29:56] [SPEAKER_03]: so obviously she has her trio. She has a good connection with Chelsea relatively. She's been

[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_03]: making a good connection with Cam I find. So I feel like that's a huge plus for her.

[01:30:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I can't think of who is nominating Rubina next week of the people left in the house.

[01:30:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Um, I think there's a world where MJ or Cam may throw her up next to Kimo.

[01:30:29] [SPEAKER_04]: They would want Kimo out in that. So they would want Kimo out. You know what?

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Honestly though, they'd probably put Angela up with Kimo.

[01:30:36] [SPEAKER_03]: They just repeat this week. I think a lot of people might just use this template until

[01:30:39] [SPEAKER_04]: they're one of them is gone with the intention of taking out Kimo. And then if

[01:30:43] [SPEAKER_04]: something happened with the veto, maybe she's a replacement.

[01:30:48] [SPEAKER_04]: But I actually, I just don't hate. I was thinking like, ooh, let me shock the world and give her a

[01:30:55] [SPEAKER_04]: six. But then I remembered her conversation with Ticor, where she said she was totally chill

[01:31:00] [SPEAKER_03]: with Ticor winning. The problem is I'm looking at my fives and I think she's doing like,

[01:31:10] [SPEAKER_03]: she's better than those fives. That's why I was thinking six.

[01:31:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. It's like, unless I'm going to knock McKenzie one, but then I got to like revisit

[01:31:16] [SPEAKER_03]: everything else. The problem is there's not enough numbers in between the numbers.

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_03]: No, there's no separation. But nobody should really be this high.

[01:31:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. I'm ready for decimals to be added into the stock watch game.

[01:31:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Five. You know what? What I'm going to do, I'm going to look at the comparison from last

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_03]: week of five is a big improvement on a three. And that's pretty huge. So I'm going to look

[01:31:45] [SPEAKER_04]: at it that way. Yeah. I tell the audience. Oh, go ahead. This was an interesting one.

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_04]: The audience gave Rubina a four point five zero on the dive rounded up to a five. There we go.

[01:32:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Another five.

[01:32:04] [SPEAKER_04]: So the audience did give her a four point. They gave her a decimal. They gave her a five.

[01:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, yeah, I want to give her a five as well, I think.

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, honestly, I kind of want to give her a six. But I just feel like I don't feel like people

[01:32:21] [SPEAKER_01]: are really targeting her. She's got the good social game. Like I just feel like,

[01:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah, I mean, but I do think like jumping from a three to a six without really doing much is

[01:32:32] [SPEAKER_01]: a little much for me. So I do think I want to stick with a five. But I feel like she's,

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_01]: as she has upside here and I do feel like next week could be a really good week for her. So

[01:32:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to keep her a five, but could be looking up.

[01:32:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm back and forth on this because again, I feel like I think she is above. Well,

[01:32:56] [SPEAKER_04]: okay, I think positionally she's above Cam and Mackenzie,

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_04]: but they're probably a little more likely to win comps. So that somewhat equalizes things. But

[01:33:07] [SPEAKER_04]: they're also making an actively bad decision this week, according to me. Whereas Rubina isn't.

[01:33:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I do think again, I think Rubina is in a spot where all it takes is for her to be like,

[01:33:21] [SPEAKER_04]: you know what? Maybe I do want to win and she could win. There's plenty of time left to go as

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_04]: well. Like exactly one morning, one bad night of sleep. For instance, Leo wins HOH, T-Core and

[01:33:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea go on the block. T-Core gets sent home. All of a sudden, maybe Rubina's game to lose. I don't

[01:33:41] [SPEAKER_03]: know. Right. That's the thing. Like there's a lot of the, the fives I've given a lot of it hinges

[01:33:47] [SPEAKER_03]: on. Well, you don't want to get rid of this person, but if they leave, you're not looking too bad.

[01:33:53] [SPEAKER_04]: There are so many people in this game that would skyrocket in value if Leo won HOH next

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_03]: it's nuts to consider. And like you'd be sitting here talking about, yeah, so Rubina gets a seven

[01:34:05] [SPEAKER_03]: because this person's going home is wild to me. This person being their closest ally. More often

[01:34:10] [SPEAKER_03]: than not, your closest ally is leaving. You're getting taken down. So I'm going to give her the

[01:34:17] [SPEAKER_04]: six. Okay. I'm going to shock the world. All right. How do we feel about T-Core? Still in a

[01:34:30] [SPEAKER_03]: position where little chance she might lose chemo, but the front runners of this game right now are

[01:34:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Chelsea and T-Core. They're set up really well. I've talked a lot this past week about the cross

[01:34:43] [SPEAKER_03]: alliances connections that you may have. You have your three. However, you have Chelsea on this side.

[01:34:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Cam wants you in his three, whether you want to keep him or not. That's another good thing for

[01:34:55] [SPEAKER_03]: you. Still not touch the block, which plus in the game as well. But I think for me,

[01:35:04] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, for me, again, very similar to Chelsea is a seven or an eight.

[01:35:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's kind of where I am at the moment, but I'm leaning seven to give you the heads up.

[01:35:16] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. I'm just straight up a seven, I think.

[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. I would agree with that. I mean, honestly, like it's honestly very exciting and

[01:35:23] [SPEAKER_01]: impressive to see Chelsea and T-Core like both sevens, everyone else way below them. And we've got

[01:35:28] [SPEAKER_01]: these two powerhouses controlling two TRIOs. It is kind of exciting in terms of you don't see

[01:35:39] [SPEAKER_01]: that very often, especially you don't really see them actually work the two heads of two TRIOs

[01:35:44] [SPEAKER_01]: working together. Sort of secretly, but sort of not secretly. Everyone knows they have an

[01:35:50] [SPEAKER_01]: understanding or something, but it's kind of like maybe they don't believe that it's as strong as it

[01:35:57] [SPEAKER_01]: is. I don't know, but it could make for a very interesting end game or a very, very boring

[01:36:05] [SPEAKER_01]: end game. So I don't really know which way it's going to go. But I do like the idea that you've

[01:36:09] [SPEAKER_01]: got T-Core and Chelsea both at sevens with everyone else kind of just like underneath.

[01:36:16] [SPEAKER_03]: It's very rare because this is two people who have actively got two other people on their side.

[01:36:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like their soldiers who are playing the game for them in a weird way,

[01:36:29] [SPEAKER_03]: who are also both working with each other and are both content with getting to the end with

[01:36:34] [SPEAKER_03]: each other. It is very fascinating to me, which is why I'm very much enjoying seeing how

[01:36:39] [SPEAKER_03]: this could go in the future. I feel like every season around this time I talk about the

[01:36:43] [SPEAKER_03]: ooh, there could be a back and forth, a little civil war going on in the house. But this season

[01:36:48] [SPEAKER_03]: it's fascinating because these two are actively connected in a way and working together in a way.

[01:36:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm almost thinking now, I'm picturing the T-Core and Chelsea final two.

[01:36:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Like who wins that? And right now I have T-Core winning that. Should that give her the plus one?

[01:37:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know. I don't know if I would be willing to give her the plus one here.

[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm content to just keep it at sub.

[01:37:12] [SPEAKER_04]: Just to quickly run that, I think T-Core obviously gets Rubina and Kimo. I think

[01:37:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Chelsea gets MJ and Cam unless she betrays MJ, which she might, in which case she might lose

[01:37:24] [SPEAKER_04]: that vote whereas T-Core I think could easily betray Kimo or Rubina. But theoretically,

[01:37:31] [SPEAKER_04]: let's say it's 2-2 there. And that means that Quinn, Angela and Leah decide. And I think all three of

[01:37:41] [SPEAKER_03]: them picked T-Core over Chelsea right now. Just think of the sentence you, we've been talking

[01:37:45] [SPEAKER_03]: about trios all night and in that scenario a whole different trio decides who wins the game.

[01:37:50] [SPEAKER_01]: The whole game of trios. Oh man. That's so wild. Yeah.

[01:37:57] [SPEAKER_04]: That could change. The game could change things. The way that the game plays out could change things.

[01:38:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, right now. Well I also feel like they could vote for Chelsea. I do feel like they

[01:38:10] [SPEAKER_01]: could end up voting for Chelsea because they could end up being like, I respect the game play.

[01:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Like she got us. And kind of like there is an element of the person who won targeted me,

[01:38:22] [SPEAKER_01]: like got me out. Like I was, you know, like there is especially for like a game player like Quinn,

[01:38:27] [SPEAKER_01]: like I could see him being like, I respect that. She knew she had to get me out and now look at

[01:38:33] [SPEAKER_01]: her. She's winning versus like this other person who had nothing to do with me getting out of

[01:38:38] [SPEAKER_01]: the game. Like I didn't have anything to do with her win potentially. Yeah. I don't know.

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_03]: I could see the argument there. Yeah. All right, Puyah. What do you got? Oh wow. A seven.

[01:38:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Because also I feel like I should have thought about this a little more in vocalizing my thoughts,

[01:38:58] [SPEAKER_03]: but comparing it to last week, a plus two for T-Corps makes a lot of sense because she kept

[01:39:03] [SPEAKER_03]: her trio. They're in the jury now. She kept the vote for herself coming into this week,

[01:39:08] [SPEAKER_03]: which is good and finds herself in a way better position than she was last week with not having

[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_03]: lost anybody. So it makes sense to me in that way. All right. Well, the audience did come close,

[01:39:20] [SPEAKER_04]: but not quite there for a seven. It was a six from the audience. Okay. I could honestly see

[01:39:26] [SPEAKER_03]: that. I feel like my ratings are missing a six and numerically I could make it a six.

[01:39:32] [SPEAKER_03]: The same, but I got a six in there. You did.

[01:39:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay. So that is what we have for you for the ratings this week. What a weird season so far

[01:39:46] [SPEAKER_04]: for the stock watch list. Let's just quickly run back. The changes of green to red to white,

[01:39:53] [SPEAKER_04]: like it's like, look at how weird this is. Yeah. Yeah. It's just roll over the place.

[01:39:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. There are some seasons that are like one green column all the way. Yeah, they're all the same.

[01:40:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. There's some season where if you bought the right person week one,

[01:40:10] [SPEAKER_03]: as long as they stay in the game and you kept that stock, you've just been getting mad increases

[01:40:14] [SPEAKER_03]: every week. This season, you have to hop around. It's important to hop around. So for me,

[01:40:21] [SPEAKER_03]: I forgot to participate the first three weeks and just had chemo stock withering away at fives

[01:40:26] [SPEAKER_03]: and getting no improvement. Then when Chelsea went down, because she got nominated, I bought in that

[01:40:31] [SPEAKER_03]: dip. I put all my money there and I went from, I went up like 2000 spots in the stock watch over

[01:40:38] [SPEAKER_03]: the last two weeks. I was in the top 200, but I should have realized right in that moment last

[01:40:43] [SPEAKER_03]: week that Chelsea at an eight is just not going to be like, obviously it stays, she's going up

[01:40:49] [SPEAKER_03]: mad money, but I should have bought T-Core and I didn't. But I'll live. It'll be fine.

[01:40:57] [SPEAKER_04]: All right. Well, that's what we have for you then this week on the stock watch,

[01:41:02] [SPEAKER_04]: the round table stock watch podcast. Any final thoughts? Anything else?

[01:41:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Just excited to see where the week goes. Honestly, I do hope Wednesdays because

[01:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's more interesting. But the season is not over yet, so anything can happen.

[01:41:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep. I am just continuing to stay optimistic and positive because oftentimes for me, this is

[01:41:31] [SPEAKER_03]: the big test of a season. The first month, I'm having fun no matter how good or bad the

[01:41:36] [SPEAKER_03]: season is. The middle part is what can make or break it for me. And I think we're at that

[01:41:41] [SPEAKER_03]: stage right now. It's been very positive. I'm feeling good about it staying this positive

[01:41:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and I'm having a very good time, so I can't complain about anything.

[01:41:50] [SPEAKER_04]: All right. Well, that is it then. That is what we have for you this week. Thank you all so

[01:41:54] [SPEAKER_04]: much for joining us. And we're also going to do some plugs that I almost forgot about.

[01:42:03] [SPEAKER_01]: That's okay. I have nothing to plug, so you're good.

[01:42:05] [SPEAKER_04]: You can find Melissa at It's Melissa with 3As. Find me over on Twitch. We have got an update

[01:42:12] [SPEAKER_04]: tomorrow. We've got an episode of this one, a fun episode for the recap afterwards. So check

[01:42:18] [SPEAKER_04]: that out. And then Puy and I were talking some circle pretty soon. Stay tuned for some circle

[01:42:25] [SPEAKER_03]: coverage. What else you got going on? Puyah. Twitter at Puyahism, Twitch.tv slash Puyah,

[01:42:32] [SPEAKER_03]: where I am when I'm out podcasting. I've got 90 Day Fiancé before the 90 Day just started.

[01:42:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Leana was my guest for week one. Lavina first time guest for week two. That'll be fun. And that's

[01:42:41] [SPEAKER_04]: everything that has been covered. All right. Well, that is what we have for you all then here

[01:42:47] [SPEAKER_04]: today. Thank you all so much for joining us and we will see all of you next time.