BB26 Roundtable: The Beginning of the End, Week 11

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, everyone. And welcome to the Big Brother 26 Roundtable podcast. I'm your

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_02]: assistant Armstrong and I'm here today to talk through everything that's happening

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_02]: on the Big Brother 26 Live feeds and to rate the players one to 10 based on how

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_02]: well we think they are doing in the game and with me to do it. It's Melissa. How

[00:00:34] [SPEAKER_04]: you doing, Melissa? Oh, I'm doing great. I can't believe this season is almost

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_04]: over. Yeah, it's been a long journey, but we're nearing the point where it

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_04]: already feels over, I guess. I don't know. I feel like it feels like the season has

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_04]: been long over, but we still need to crown a winner. So I'm excited to talk about it.

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. Well, also with us, of course, is Mary. Is it Mary?

[00:01:01] [SPEAKER_03]: It's Mary. I'm always Mary. Never ever been anyone else ever.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, interesting. Good to know. How are you doing, Mary?

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing good. Yeah, like Melissa said, like I think the end of almost any reality

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_03]: season is the hardest part to get through for the most part. Like once in a blue moon,

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_03]: you get a really exciting home stretch where you're really not sure what's going

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_03]: to happen. But yeah, there's nothing wrong with the slow end. I actually

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_03]: think on a rewatch, like just the episodes, it's not that bad. But in the real time,

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_03]: it just feels like, you know, some of the steam has been used up already. And here we

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_03]: are just kind of coasting to the finish line. And I don't blame this cast or this season

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_04]: or anything for this. It happens literally all the time. It's just the way it works.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_04]: It's like by the end, it's just, it just kind of drags because there's just not

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_04]: that many people. There's not that many options. So there's not going to be like

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_04]: that much scheming going on for us to watch. So yeah, it's, I'm used to this. I get it.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. I mean, there are certainly seasons that have had like exciting end games,

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: but they're pretty rare. You know, that's not exactly the norm. And I think that this season has been so

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: fun all season long. I don't think that slowing down here at the end is really that big of a deal.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, especially with this format where they are not speeding up the end game,

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: they used to do that like Final Five into Final Four and so on. But they love stretching it out

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: nowadays. Still shorter than usual though, which is nice. Yes. Yeah. I don't know. I mean,

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_03]: we could have had a Halloween party if they stretched it out another 30 days.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there you go. So really not that much to talk about here.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So this might be a shorter roundtable, but we'll see. Of course, the last time we spoke, MJ was H1.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh wow, deja vu. Yeah. And she was on her way to take out Lea. Things were not looking great for MJ

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: because there was some talk of targeting her in the double that did not end up happening.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Angela ended up leaving in the double. And then MJ, one another HOH, is now looking to target

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Kimo. She also then won the veto and thought about using it on Cam,

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: but or sorry, using it to get Cam on the block at least and maybe take Cam out. But

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: then Cam had a conversation with her and was like, hey, what if you don't do that? Because

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_02]: listen, I'm just bad at comps. I'm not throwing a promise.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And she was like, all right, fine. I won't get rid of you Cam.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And now here we are, Kimo the target heading into the final four of what is likely to be

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Mackenzie, Chelsea, Cam and Rabina. Yeah. Honestly, kind of surprised that we ended up having

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_03]: two guys in the final five based on where we were a few weeks ago.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I think it's kind of what we expected for this point when you get to a point in the

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: final five where the side of three has mostly in one person more comp wins than the side of two.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_03]: This is likely to happen. And RIP, the trio duo, came over Rabina. That's it.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think like this with the way that this week has kind of played out, it's like

[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_04]: we kind of knew it was going to be a boring week. But I do think that there could have been some

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_04]: interesting moments if Kimo and Rabina decided to try and campaign to stay in the house.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I think there definitely could have been things that they could have done and avenues that they

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_04]: could have tried with MJ, especially it wasn't like Chelsea or whatever. And they just didn't go

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_04]: for it. And so we're kind of just like, there really was no excitement, even if they had

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_04]: tried and failed at least we would have been like, there may have been some intrigue for this week.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_04]: But I do feel like once they had kind of accepted their fate of like, okay, well, it's just

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_04]: you versus me, nothing that can be done. Then the week just kind of was over before it began. So,

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah, I don't know. Yeah, like thinking, I was trying to think of like what was a recent season

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_03]: with a very different dynamic toward the end. For whatever reason, the first one that came

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_03]: to mind was like season 21. And just when you have at the end, two pairs were really,

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_03]: is that what happened? Or we did Tommy leave? Was Tommy out fifth or did he get into the final four?

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_03]: He was out fifth. Okay, so when Tommy was out fifth and then you had the two pairs at the end

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and you saw the both pairs like actively fight a little more, that's kind of,

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_03]: it's what you would hope in a situation like this. There was a huge opening for

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Kimo and Rubina to really, really fight for it. Really, really, really get into both

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Cam and MJ's heads that Chelsea is going to win or really throw Cam under the bus. Either way,

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_03]: there was an avenue here and I just felt like it was like, oh, we're going to try a little

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and then we'll just kind of cross our fingers and hope it worked.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think the most frustrating part of this week in terms of analysis is that

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: it's all the same stuff that we talked about last week and have been talking about all season.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, MJ is not taking a shot. Not surprising. Oh, Kimo and Rubina are being too

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_02]: passive. Surprising. Yeah, I know that's the thing is like, I was thinking like this is going to

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_04]: be the shortest roundtable ever because it's just like, it feels like we just talked about

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_04]: this. And not only that, there's less people to rate. So it's like, I just don't even

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_04]: know what more to say. I feel like, I feel so boring. I feel like I'm just going to repeat

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_02]: myself from last week. I don't know. Yeah. The most interesting thing that happened,

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_02]: of course, was the almost shot at Cam. I actually do think that would have been the move for MJ.

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I do think Cam is coming for her at the final four if he has the veto.

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know about MJ and quite frankly, if Chelsea has the veto,

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I think Cam could maybe get an area. I mean, he's gotten into Chelsea's year before about

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: taking out MJ. It would not super surprise me if he's able to convince Chelsea that if they

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: want a chance to win this game, they need to take their shot at MJ. I believe Chelsea when

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_02]: she says she's going to take MJ to the final two right now, but only in the sense that she

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: means it right now. And right before the double, she also meant it when she was trying to get her

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: evicted. So I think that she means it right now because she's in power and she's like,

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_02]: oh yeah, she's my girl. But next week, if she's not in power, is she still her girl? I don't

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_03]: think so. I'm trying to remember back before this HOH was won. If Kimo or Rubina had won the HOH,

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_03]: do you think Chelsea would have been in major danger of going home?

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: If Kimo or Rubina had won this HOH, I think that they would have put up MJ. Yeah,

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she would. I think she would be in very serious danger. I think that

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: the way that Kimo and Rubina have been talking about Chelsea as the main threat,

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I think quite frankly, she is out. You think Cam would have voted her out or MJ would have

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: voted her out if they weren't on the line? I don't know that they would have, but they wouldn't

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: have needed to because Kimo, let's say Kimo's HOH, nominated Chelsea and MJ. Yeah,

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Cam votes to keep Chelsea. Rubina votes Chelsea out and Kimo breaks the tie and Chelsea's gone.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, good point. Oh well. What if Cam had won?

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's the thing too. Let's say that happened, MJ still wins the veto, takes herself

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_02]: down, Cam goes up same result. We didn't really notice it at the time because the Kimo-Rubina

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: thing, it didn't become apparent to us that they had fully turned on Chelsea until after,

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: but that kind of was a must-win HOH for Chelsea post-uploadiction.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. Do you think Cam would have taken a shot at Mackenzie or Chelsea?

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's been looking to take a shot at Mackenzie. Would he have this week knowing that

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Kimo and Rubina go to the Final Four? Hard to say. We certainly know that he was looking

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_02]: to take the shot at the double, so it wouldn't be surprising if he took a shot at five.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. Well, that would have been a little bit more interesting of a scenario.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, at the end of the day, I think one of the downsides of double evictions is that you can

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: get this scenario where it's the same person. It's never good to have the same person be HOH

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: two weeks in a row. Whether it's through nefarious means like the invisible HOH or

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: through just double evictions where somebody is technically an HOH in the middle,

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: it's never fun to have the same HOH back-to-back and I think that almost any other

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: result would have been more exciting than an MJ HOH.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Just because we would have seen at least something different or at least people talking differently

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_04]: to each other versus like, oh, well, MJ is the HOH so we really can't. We have to talk in a certain

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_04]: way because she's in power and she now has the veto as well. It's just a repeat of last week,

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_04]: which is just the most boring result honestly.

[00:11:18] Yeah.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_03]: So obviously Chelsea is a big threat against MJ in terms of jury votes at the end,

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_03]: most likely unless some things change based on who goes to the jury. But as of now,

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: is this a massive, massive mistake for MJ to be taking the shot at Rubina and Kimo here?

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, at this point, this is why I feel like the analysis is so

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_02]: boring. It's like, who's to really say? For MJ, she's already made the worst mistakes you could make

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_02]: in this game and she plans to make the worst mistake she can make left, which is to take

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Chelsea to the final two. Nothing really matters for MJ until she decides she doesn't want to

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_02]: take Chelsea to the final two. Until that happens, it doesn't matter what she does.

[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You could say, well, maybe if this happens then she's less likely to make the ultimate

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: mistake or let's say the fact that she's taking out Kimo. Okay, great. That means she's less

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: likely to win the final three HOH because Cam will be there and Cam is a little more likely

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_02]: to win the final three HOH than Kimo. Therefore, that's slightly better for her,

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_02]: but not because Cam maybe Cam then cuts Chelsea, right? But probably not.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's not even better. What is better? It's not better, but it's not significantly worse.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like we'd have to go backwards and have her make some different choices.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure we did at the time, but now I'm just wondering, I definitely feel like it was a horrible

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_03]: mistake for MJ to take out Angela. Taking out Leah at the time seemed terrible based

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_03]: on how many people were left and everything, but I almost wonder if she had kept Leah in

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_03]: and then got to the end with Leah. I think Leah wins that though. So I mean,

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_03]: that's the same as her going to the end with Chelsea. She still loses.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that Leah is much worse off in the final two against MJ than Chelsea is,

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: though I don't disagree. It's a dangerous position for MJ. That being said, I didn't

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_02]: want Leah there for MJ so that she could bring Leah to the final two.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted Leah there so that she had more numbers, so that she was safer going into the

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_02]: double, safer going into the end game and had options moving forward. So I think that

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_02]: at the end of the day, yes, the move here is definitely take out Cam. The fact that she

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_02]: had Chelsea co-signing it, which was an awful move for Chelsea to begin with,

[00:13:49] [SPEAKER_02]: just don't back off. Chelsea continues to co-sign. You take out Cam here.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It forces Chelsea to be loyal to you at final four. At this point, Kimo and Rabin are both looking to

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: take out Chelsea over you at final four, which means you just have to hope she doesn't win

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_02]: the final four HOH and you might be decently safe going into a final three with either

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Chelsea gone where you now are going to take either Kimo and Rabin and probably beat them

[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_02]: or you lose Kimo Rabin at final four and you're going into a final three where you

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: have a great shot to win that final three HOH. And that sucks if you do because you take

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Chelsea and you lose, but it's definitely a lot better to take out Cam here.

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the main lesson learned from this season for future players should be if you're in power

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_03]: and you have relationships with two different sides of people, you need to put up one from each side.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_03]: It's been stated over and over and over. And I know that there was because even at first,

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_03]: when I was just thinking about some of the different scenarios of back when Leah had her HOH,

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_03]: like what would I do? And I can really understand why someone would say, yeah,

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_03]: but I only want one side to be mad at me, not both. Forgetting that if both sides are mad at you,

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_03]: kind of neither are usually. They usually have to be, they have to concentrate on being mad

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_03]: at each other as opposed to mad at you a lot of the time. I mean, what I would say is that

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: in MJ's position, there was a third option, which is better, which is put up somebody who's

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: not on your side at all. That would help. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I think the,

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, I think last week, two weeks ago, I was saying on the round table on podcasts, like

[00:15:27] [SPEAKER_02]: it really did feel like Chelsea was locked to win the game. It felt like it was when

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Leah did not target Chelsea. I was like, okay, I think it's pretty close as soon as MJ wins

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: and takes out Leah. It's like, okay, she's locked in. Like this is, it's hard to see a world where

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: she doesn't win this game. Now since then, there have been all few different spots that have opened

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_02]: up like this week where she really could have left. The fact that Kimo and Rabina have turned

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: on Chelsea is huge in terms of her expected actual path to the end and win equity. Lucky for her,

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: they're not winning comps. So she's fine for now, but that has not been great. And you can also sort

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: of see some openings in terms of the jury vote, in terms of people potentially cutting her in the

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_02]: end. It's definitely not as locked as I felt it was a week ago, two weeks ago, though

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_02]: it's continuing to like relock with all of these MJ wins and with MJ being so stuck to Chelsea.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think the main story of these last few weeks, obviously has been Chelsea's

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_02]: maneuvering, but as per this season and as per Chelsea, it's a lot messier than it probably needed

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_02]: to be. Definitely. All right. Well, should we talk about some of the survey questions?

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Let's do that. Of course, you can fill out the survey if you want. It's over on Twitter.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Tweeted it out. There's a little bit of time left. You got like five minutes if you want to

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_02]: continue to fill this out. But we ask the audience to rate the players and also some

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_02]: survey questions. So one of them is, can you rank the players from your favorite

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: to your least favorite? Who do you guys think is the audience favorite this week?

[00:17:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe Chelsea or Cam. I don't know. Maybe Chelsea?

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I can give you a hint, which is that last week it was Angela.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh boy. I'm going to go, this is like a shot in the dark. I'm going Robina.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like they're just tired of the power. I feel like, okay, maybe, I think maybe Cam.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. This week, Cam is the fan favorite of the remaining players.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. There's not that many choices left. Well, here's the thing. Last week,

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_02]: the top two were Angela and Leah. So that was a rough double.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: That was a good one. Third place was Cam. So

[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Makes sense. Yeah. In fact, this is going to be a memory test because literally nothing changed

[00:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: on my favorite player rankings. Just Angela and Leah were evicted. Everyone else stayed exactly

[00:18:29] [SPEAKER_02]: the same. So if you can remember the order from last time, you can nail one, two, three,

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_04]: four, five. Okay. Well, I don't remember it. So this is like all new to me. I guess. I think it

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_04]: would be Cam, Chelsea, Rubina, Kimo, MJ nailed it. Wow. Look at that. Wow. I didn't think I was

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_04]: going to get it right. I was like, I literally don't remember. It's exactly what it was last

[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_02]: week. Just minus Angela and Leah. So I mean, not much more to say there. I would expect MJ is

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_02]: probably on the rise with the comp winning again, but still in last place, still reeling from that

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_04]: previous week. I feel like it's just that, at least for me, I was feeling positively about

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_04]: MJ a few weeks ago because I felt like she was, well, first of all, she seemed like she was on

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_04]: her own. She seemed like maybe she was starting to wake up or whatever and starting to realize

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_04]: like her positioning in the game because she was talking more with Leah and it seemed like she

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_04]: was kind of reaching out to other people. And then she got power and it was exciting.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_04]: And then she proceeded to make the most boneheaded move. And so it was like, okay,

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm feeling less goodwill towards MJ now because I do feel like she squandered her

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_04]: opportunity to really come into her own in the game and become a potential fan favorite. Who

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_04]: knows? If she had just like, calmed down near the end and was just taking everybody out and

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_04]: making all these smart decisions and she really clicked in, I feel like people would really love

[00:20:15] [SPEAKER_04]: her. But unfortunately, she just was making these dumb moves and then still winning power and then

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_04]: still making dumb moves. And so it was just enough, please either make a smart move or don't

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_04]: win any more power because it's not good for you. It's bad. So that's my thought on MJ,

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_03]: unfortunately. It's really interesting because I feel like sometimes we have this type of person

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_03]: who's just like, almost like if you had Rubina and like if Rubina was a comp beast and was sticking

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_03]: with T-Corps and was just like, T-Corps is going to win. But you know what? I'm her friend. I'm so

[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_03]: loyal. I don't even care that this is bad for my game. And like openly says that. That's one

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_03]: thing we've seen that in the past. I think the problem with MJ is that she's like, she's

[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_03]: being told why something is bad for her game. And she's not even just saying, yeah, but I'm friends

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_03]: with Chelsea. So the end. She seems to be trying to convince herself that it is somehow okay for her

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_03]: to be here.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Also like Chelsea wanted nothing to do with her for half the season. Like Chelsea was

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_02]: like thinking about Nvidia stuck to her all season long. Then finally realized she was

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: beneficial to her game. So started like actually using MJ in the way that she should have been

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: from the start and has been actively trying to get MJ out of the game as early, like

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_02]: less than seven days ago. And meanwhile, MJ is like, well, she's my friend. So I'd rather lose

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_02]: to her than cut her. And it's like, see that's like I can respect it if it's like chemo and

[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_02]: ruby. You know, I'm not happy about it, but I can respect it. Right. If you're saying that

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and the other person is running around doing other things, like,

[00:22:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you look foolish. It's sad. And it's like, I will fully say this may be an

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_03]: unpopular opinion. I think it is completely fine and completely understandable why in

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_03]: social strategy games, people end up prioritizing friendship and the relationships they've made

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_03]: over the gameplay. When you're with these people for this long, it starts to get in your head,

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_03]: even though they're playing a game against you, you start feeling like you can trust them and

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_03]: you like them and you start thinking, Oh my gosh, how it's hard to think about your life outside

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_03]: the game and the fact that you're going to go back home and maybe you'll keep in touch.

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you won't are you really going to be best friends or ever? Maybe some people will be,

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_03]: some people won't. But like we've seen over and over and over, people make boneheaded decisions

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_03]: at the end of the game to stand loyally by. Usually it's because they've been best friends

[00:22:59] [SPEAKER_03]: from the beginning and really have had their back. So that's what's different about this

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_03]: season. I think MJ just she really could not find her footing for so long that when

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_03]: she finally did with Chelsea and when Chelsea finally started paying attention to her,

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_03]: she was like, that's it. I'm all in and I just can't look back.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's really the story of the season that MJ should like is on a path to

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_02]: potentially lose this game is the throw this entry. I mean, like with the wins that she's had

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: in the position that she was in, she should be winning this game and it should be.

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_02]: We should be talking about how MJ is stomping her way at the end.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And instead, she's just handing it away, which is which is wild.

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. I asked the audience to rate the episodes this week.

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Last week there were a 5.2 this week, 4.6.

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. Yeah. Just kind of though. Well, I don't know though, because I actually feel like, well,

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_03]: it really depends on how much you liked Janky World.

[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_02]: True. I also last season, the episodes were 3.7. So still better than last season at this point.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I asked the audience to rate the feeds this week. Last week there were 5.1. This week,

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_03]: 3.6. Yeah. Big dip. But I think again, it's not that something bad is happening.

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_03]: It's just get slow at the end and that's what it is.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It's still a lot better than last season, which was a 2.6.

[00:24:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm trying to think, I don't know if you have this data past last season.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_03]: When was the last time that we had a home stretch like this with really

[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_03]: high excitement toward the end?

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be curious to check the Big Brother 24 end game numbers. There was a lot of pessimism,

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: but hope still. So that's kind of what I'm interested to see here.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that one maybe did feel a little different. Maybe because like,

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah, I think you were totally right. It was like, well, this isn't going to happen.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_04]: And then it was like, well, isn't it?

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So the penultimate week, final five, BB24 episodes were a 6.0. Feeds were a 5.5.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_04]: So definitely a lot better. I mean, it's interesting that this week we had the

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_04]: double eviction and the episodes were still rated so low. I mean, the double eviction

[00:25:30] [SPEAKER_04]: sucked, but I'm just saying like generally, like a double eviction really like

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_04]: boosts up the ratings and people really like that. It's exciting. It's this,

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_04]: that and the other thing. But this double eviction, I mean, I was so bored. I just felt like I didn't

[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_04]: feel the typical double eviction like jitters or energy or like, I don't know, I just feel like

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_04]: it just wasn't there for me. I think because I had already seen the writing on the wall and then

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_04]: you see the people who win and the fact that they're just like, yeah, we already know what

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_04]: we're doing. All right, let's just do it. Let's just execute. It's like,

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_04]: that is so dull and boring. And like, I get why the moves were made as they were made,

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_04]: but it's like for a viewer, it's like you want some sort of like excitement or some

[00:26:13] [SPEAKER_04]: sort of like, oh my God, they might win or whatever. But I just, I just,

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't feeling it this double eviction at all. You know, having relatively recently

[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_03]: watched a lot of the older seasons, I remember watching those and feeling like at the end,

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_03]: because they would get down where there's, you know, two or three people and then still have

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_03]: several episodes on just those people. And I feel like while it was slow, it felt different. It felt

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_03]: like there was still more that they were doing, even though a lot of it was just like, look at

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_03]: these people being alone in the house and thinking about their game. And so, like, I know

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_03]: a lot of people in the chat are saying like, I wish we could speed up the end game. It's

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_03]: but why is it that it still feels, I guess it's just because the show feels like it needs to have

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_03]: like segment, segment gimmick, that it doesn't like stop to breathe at all. And so then it feels

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_03]: like when they do slow down, that there's just nothing there. Well, I did ask the audience

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_02]: to rate the season as a whole so far. And this is where like sometimes the season will

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_02]: suffer, you know, in this slower portion ratings have dropped over the course of the season.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I can say that last week, the season as a whole was a 7.3 this week season as a whole

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_02]: 7.3 no drop. All right. No drop. Now compare this to last season at the penultimate week

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_02]: final five. I asked the audience to rate the season as a whole 4.5.

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. I mean, to be fair, I don't think as much as we're like, oh, it's boring, you know, whatever.

[00:28:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think there's anyone that that is left in the house that if they win,

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it would ruin the season for me or anything like that. Like I think anyone

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_04]: winning it from this point forward, like I feel like I it would not change my views on the season.

[00:28:21] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it would be there are some results that are more exciting than others or some results that

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_04]: are more, you know, like, yeah, that that makes a lot of sense. But I think like generally,

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_04]: there have been some past seasons where it is like we get down to the final five or whatever

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_04]: or final four, final three, whatever. And I'm like, man, if this person wins,

[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_04]: that's this season is over. Or like this season will be ruined for me to will taint

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_04]: the rest of the season, even if we had a great like pre whatever season, the red, the second half.

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_04]: No, this just kills it. And I do think that this this final this final group of people, like,

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I could see any of them winning it. And I would be okay with any of them winning. I wouldn't

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_04]: be necessarily like top tier winner or anything like that for some of them. But

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_04]: I would be okay with if any of them won. Yeah, I feel like there are seasons where you

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_03]: have someone who is not a great person. And so it feels really icky and unfun when they get to

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_03]: the end and win. And then you have seasons where not to name any names, there might be someone who's

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_03]: like really under edited or just invisible has had zero effect on any of the gameplay.

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And then all of a sudden at the end gets an alliance and has a chance to win. And you're

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Kimo and Urbina or Cam or any of these people who like haven't done a ton have not made a huge

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_03]: ton of moves, their presence and their lack of doing things has affected the season. And so if

[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_03]: someone like that one, it's like, well, that's very representative of this season, you know?

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Listen, Kimo just peaked too early. He made his big move like three.

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, we're done here. Nothing further for me to do.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I thought it was interesting. You know, all season long,

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_02]: BB26 has been competing with BB25 and BB25 has been outperforming in season as a whole ratings

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: for a while up until around zombie week when season 26 finally caught up and started

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: overtaking. And now BB26 has held fairly strongly up at a 7.3 whereas BB25

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_02]: had fallen all the way down to a 4.5 at this point in that season. So rough one.

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_02]: As the audience to rate MJ's HOA train last week, I wanted to compare now that the week is over,

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_02]: how do you feel about her week? Last time, last week it was given a 1.7. This week,

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_02]: a 2.3. So a slight boom. She's doing so much better.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't go home in the double. She won the following HOH results oriented thinking says,

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_02]: wasn't that bad? Still pretty bad. Still 2.3, but not 1.7.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's just that there wasn't a massively better move that she could have made this week.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there were better ones, but it wasn't.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I did ask also rate MJ's HOA train this week, which was a 3.5. Still pretty bad.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_04]: So she's doing much, much better. Wow, improving every single rating.

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_02]: More than double her last HOA train. Wow, good for her.

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Ask the audience to rate Chelsea's double eviction HOA train. 5.7.

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, I feel like she did what needed to be done on from her perspective.

[00:31:55] [SPEAKER_04]: Like it was very boring for everyone else, but it was, you know, I get why she made that

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_04]: move and she did it very cleanly. So yeah. I mean, it wasn't ideal. She had to put up

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_02]: both chemo and rubina, which is definitely part of why they have turned on her this week.

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_04]: But what else could she? I mean, yeah, like was there another option? I don't know.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_04]: Plus like at that point it was like, it's been like, they've been the pawns for every HOH.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_04]: It's not like what they're only going to be mad at her. I don't know. I feel like it's like

[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_04]: they have many people they can be mad at at this point. So now in comparison,

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Bowie's double eviction HOA train last season, 1.9.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So slightly better than MJ's Leah HOH. Okay. What did Bowie Jane do?

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_02]: She took out, she went after it was like America and blue that went out.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. Yeah. Basically it was the one opportunity that anybody had to take out Jack.

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_04]: And she didn't do it. Okay. Well, you know, she was in the mafia and everything. So

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_02]: makes sense. So I asked MJ make the correct decision with the veto this week. 66% of the

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_02]: audience say no. Honestly, I'd expect more. I mean granted, you know, I think it would

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_02]: have been a mistake to use the veto and put up cam and not send him home. But

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_02]: to put them up and send him home would have been so like there's a world where using the veto is

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_02]: a worse move. And there's a world where using the veto I think is a better move.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I also kind of feel like once you put up your initial nominee, like I just feel like it

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_04]: was a little, a little late and a little that they might not actually go through and

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_04]: it just might, it just seemed maybe more messy. It was definitely more risky if she,

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_04]: if she made the move to like take, put cam on the block. I feel like I get why after she,

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, made the initial norms and kind of made it clear what the plan is that she didn't

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_04]: like move forward with putting cam up, but still yeah. I think that the whole week could

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_04]: have gone differently for her. And I think they'll all last week could have gone differently

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: for her. So I don't know. Well, finally asked the audience, who do you want to be

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: evicted this week? 68% say Kimo over Rubina. Yeah, that makes sense. I feel like it's like

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_04]: we've kind of already accepted that we've kind of already accepted him leaving like so many

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_04]: times at this point that now it's just like, Oh, I guess Kimo again. I don't know.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_04]: All right. I also feel like it's like Rubina is maybe a more interesting person to keep

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_04]: in because it does seem like out of the two of them, like she is maybe more likely to

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_04]: make a move or do something or try and strategize where it does feel like Kimo's kind of had

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_04]: like the wind sucked out of him in regards to like,

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_02]: you don't know what kinds of songs he's going to come up with next.

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_04]: That's true. You know what? I do like, I do like musicals. So let's keep him in.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Let's keep him. I actually love the song segments. You know what?

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_04]: I liked, you know, I love the improv between him and Cam. I think they're very funny.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the song stuff is great. Well, maybe someday we'll rate songs on the stock watch

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_04]: and Kimo will be up there. Oh yeah. That would be pretty good. Until then,

[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_04]: are we ready for the actual stock watch? We okay wait, but we should do an off-season

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_04]: like podcast where I don't know if this has already been done. Maybe it's already been

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_04]: done. An off-season podcast where you like rank the past like Big Brother songs that have been

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_04]: created in the house. There are so many now at this point, I feel. I mean, it would be all Kimo

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_04]: and then one Justin. No, it would also be the big blue couch or whatever it was. Yeah,

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_04]: there's been more. What was that? There was another one. Listen, okay, fine. You caught me.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll include Mike Boogie's raps. Geez. Okay, see more. And then wasn't there like Shelley

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_04]: doing one back in Big Brother 17 or something? What was the one where they were like the three boys?

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, oh yeah. Yeah, you got the Wax Shriek Boys too. That was production. Yeah, that's production.

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Does that not count? I feel like it's similar. But I didn't Shelley do like, because she did a

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_04]: musical back in Big Brother 17. It's ringing a bell. I don't remember what the song was. Oh,

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_03]: wait, wait, wait. There was a song. Hold on. There was a song that Audrey was in. Audrey.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It was Audrey. Yes, it was the, oh, you know what? I used to have it memorized. I don't remember

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_04]: it anymore. There was something. Yeah, I thought that they did like a musical with a few of them.

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they did. They did. But I remember there's like a clip from the live reads of

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Audrey practicing the song and then they all do it together.

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_02]: People 17 had lots of shenanigans. Yeah. Yeah, they really did.

[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_04]: There are so many. Yeah, there's some good songs. So I think that would be a good podcast.

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_04]: But anyway, we'd have to like go back and find all the clips.

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[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, let's then rate the players. Of course, this is a portion of the podcast where

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_02]: we rate the players from one to 10 based on how well we think they are doing in the game.

[00:38:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And for the first time this season, we will not be starting with Angela instead we will be

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_02]: starting with Cam who had a bit of a near miss this week, but he's through it now.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, that's pretty good for him.

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I think so I think there's a world where like Chelsea obviously benefits the most

[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_02]: from the final three with Cam and MJ.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_02]: But she seems so willing to actively campaign to evict both of them at times.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not entirely sure what Chelsea would try to get MJ to do if MJ were to win the Final Four

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Vito, but it feels like MJ has basically resigned herself to a final three with Cam.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Rubin has just not made enough effort. There was this flirtation with the idea of going

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_02]: to the final three with women and Rubina, but it does feel like he's fairly locked into a final three

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_02]: with MJ. But on the flip side of that, I do think that he takes the shot at MJ at four himself

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_02]: if he has the ability to, which would be very good for him. Obviously a final three of Cam,

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Rubina, Chelsea, like all of a sudden looks like a world where Cam has a great chance

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_02]: to win the game. All it requires is either Rubina winning the final three HOH or Cam deciding he

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_02]: wants to win and taking Rubina over Chelsea, right? Like all of a sudden it's like, hold on,

[00:39:46] [SPEAKER_02]: can Cam win this whole thing? And you know, I think the possibility remains open.

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he did some good work on MJ this week saving himself.

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I feel like he's not in a bad place here, Melissa.

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, I think especially like if he gets to the final two chairs,

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_04]: like I think it's a good chance for him. I mean, I do think that, like I think the concern I have

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_04]: for really anyone is, so let's say Kimo gets out this week. If Rubina is in one of those final

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_04]: two chairs, like I feel like she's already got two locked in votes with the trio. And I feel like

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I would be afraid to go to the final with either Kimo or Rubina. Even if I felt like, well,

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I've done way more than them. I feel like they've already got locked in votes and that would

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_04]: scare me to have somebody who had someone so locked in. Whereas I feel like everybody else,

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't really believe that there are locked in votes. May correct me if I'm wrong, but like

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_04]: from my perspective, it really doesn't feel like anyone else in the jury is like locked in

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_04]: like that trio is in regards to the actual votes. So I think we suspect I would assume

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_02]: that Quinn would lean Chelsea and that like those three would likely be Chelsea without

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: the other three there or at least Tico would be a, honestly, I'm not going to count Rubina

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_02]: and Kimo as Chelsea votes anymore. But I will say that Tico or I think would be locked

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_02]: in Chelsea. I think Quinn would lean Chelsea, but you're right. We don't know. We don't like super

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_04]: locked in. Right. For any of those others. Yeah, like I absolutely think Chelsea has

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_04]: a very good, very strong chance if she is in the end of getting a bunch of votes. But I do

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_04]: think that the fact that that trio got to go to jury together, I think that's really,

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_04]: really dangerous. But I do think that Kim, like, I mean, obviously he's not good at competitions

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_04]: as we saw this week. But I do think he has like, like ability and also the fact that he's not

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_04]: good at competitions. Like maybe that allows somebody to say, well, I'll bring Kim along

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_04]: because he's not going to like, he's not going to stand a chance in these competitions and

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_04]: I can beat him in that or whatever. And I feel like one of his big, like issues in the beginning

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_04]: was that people saw him as a comp threat. And so it was like, well, we've got to take

[00:42:12] [SPEAKER_04]: him out before he starts winning everything. Well, it turns out he's not going to win everything.

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I really, I don't know. I think if he gets to the end, he has a fairly good shot.

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_04]: But I think the issue is, is he's trying to get to the end with Chelsea and I think Chelsea beats

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_04]: him in the end. So yeah, I don't know. It's tough. I think my main question is no matter

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_03]: who he's against in the end, what's his final speech? Like I want to know how he encapsulates

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_02]: his game. I think his final speech is going to be something along the lines of

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I've played this game, you know, the way that I like to play things and, you know, all season

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_02]: long, I've been shouting out my dogs at the crib and I just want you all to know that

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_02]: it turns out you guys were my dogs at the crib all along.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow. What a speech.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_02]: applause, standing ovation, the end is victory.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Like if he takes out McKenzie or Chelsea and then gets to the end and says,

[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I took out Chelsea, who was the biggest social threat, strategic that, or I took out McKenzie,

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_03]: who was the biggest comp threat or something like that. I think at least he's got a little

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_03]: something there. I'm just curious to see how he packages this.

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_02]: He's strangely good at advocating for himself when he speaks up.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't know that he will have the passion he needs, but I don't know that anybody will,

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_02]: to be honest, it's not a very like, you know, I think chemo certainly would.

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But like, I don't think that we have a very like.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_03]: No, Angela was the only one bringing the passion.

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. Like, so yeah, I don't know, you know, like,

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_02]: if you're like, I could see Chelsea going weirdly like,

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_02]: jag like with it. Like, yeah, I got you all.

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Or she could be too light and be like, what are you talking about? I didn't play you guys.

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, it's hard to say. I think that,

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that Cam would perform better than Rubina at selling his game.

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he would perform better than MJ at selling his game.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that Chelsea likely has him beat with a speech, but also the speeches don't matter.

[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he is very good at improv. So I do think he could like come up with something

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_04]: that was pretty good. But yeah, I do think that if he's there with Chelsea,

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_04]: that would be a hard one because I think like a lot of, unless he takes Chelsea out,

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like most of his, you know, strategy this whole season or like what I did this

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_04]: whole season was work with Chelsea. I don't really feel like he has, they're going to ask

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_04]: that classic question of like, what moves did you make that were yours alone and not Chelsea's?

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And he like, I mean, what would he say in that situation?

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I think where Cam thrives is if the jury comes for him because like we've seen him in those

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_02]: scenarios where Chelsea is coming at him and he's very good at, like I said, like standing

[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_02]: up for himself in a very like soft way where he doesn't feel defensive. It just feels like,

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_02]: hey, this is how I feel. And just like advocates for himself very well. It's something that Taylor

[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_02]: was obviously extremely good at. You know, I don't think he's going to be able to come out

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_02]: blazing with a speech. But I think that if like say he's up against Chelsea in the final two

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_02]: or somebody in the like maybe MJ in the final two and MJ is like, this guy was useless.

[00:45:45] [SPEAKER_02]: He did nothing. I think that he would be able to retort really well if the jury came at him with

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_02]: some pointed questions, I think that he'd be able to give you some good responses and make people

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_02]: feel like second guests themselves on how much how harshly they want to judge him. But like I

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_02]: said, I don't think any of it really matters. Yeah, it's hard to advocate for yourself if

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_03]: you're not given an opportunity to rebut something. So that's a good point.

[00:46:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. All right, so last week, Cam was at about a six. You know, it's it's it's a tough one here.

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I feel like I'm roughly the same on Cam right now at around that six. I don't know how

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_04]: you guys feel. I feel similarly just like I mean, I feel like the week is just like this week, I

[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_04]: guess like maybe because there was an option that he was going to go up on the block, like maybe that's

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_04]: not so great for him. But at the same time, he didn't go on the block. He was able to talk his

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_04]: way off of it. So yeah, I think I want to stick with the six. I don't really feel like his position

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_03]: has changed. Yeah, I had him at a six, which was the same as last week moved him down when

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_03]: he was going to go home and then moved him back up to a six once he got his way off the block.

[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's I was I was in a similar spot. I was like, Oh, Cam's going down. But then he looked he

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_02]: saved himself. So kudos to Cam. The audience not feeling quite as generous for Cam. They gave him

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_02]: a five, which I thought was an interesting rating. Weirdly low on Cam, especially given they

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_02]: chose him as their favorite this week. I was a little surprised to look at that right now.

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, I guess it's the same as last week. So if we're saying our ratings are the same, then

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe they just continue to feel like we're being we're overrating them because yeah,

[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_02]: they was the same last week. Let me I wonder if it's if it's even just like a little bit up.

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see. It's actually slightly down. It was a 5.37 last week of 5.01 this week is

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_03]: right on the dot of five. I wonder if it's possible just that like

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_03]: for a decent chunk of the week, he was in serious danger. And that's kind of more top of mind than

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_03]: like, Oh, and then he got himself saved. Okay. Yeah. I mean, plus it was like he didn't like it

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_04]: wasn't like he like really saved himself. I don't know. I feel like it was like right. It wasn't

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_04]: some impressive like save, I feel like it was just kind of like it wasn't like a flash. But

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_03]: it was he was no but you know, how much higher can you move up when you save yourself

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_03]: out of a bad position? Is that better than not having been in the bad position to begin with?

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think if we were looking at him as somebody that was

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_02]: likely to win it all, like this would be the hardcore, like all time save, you know what I mean?

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It would be like a drain level saved. Like he saved himself. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_04]: I think if it was like we thought he was for sure the winner, like and then he saves himself

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_04]: in this situation, it's like, I think yeah, I think you're right. I think I would have given

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_04]: more credit in that situation. But yeah, I don't know.

[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. All right. Let's talk about Chelsea. Last week, Chelsea got a nine.

[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I do feel like the week has kind of opened up some holes and I haven't loved,

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't love that she tried to get MJ out in the double and then got caught doing it.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And she looked, she weathered the storm. It didn't hurt her too much there, but like

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_02]: it certainly didn't help her with Kimo and Rubina who are now looking at targeting.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_02]: The main thing for me this week as opposed to last week is that Kimo and Rubina

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_02]: are actively talking about Chelsea as the front runner to win and talking about how

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_02]: she needs to go and they can't be in the final two with her. Like that sucks for her in terms

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_02]: of where she was before. And I love how close she seemingly came to taking out Cam

[00:49:48] [SPEAKER_02]: this week. So I just don't know for sure that I can trust her at the final four to not cut Cam or MJ.

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Which put her in like a rough place for the final three. So

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm going to be slightly back down to an eight. I still think she's a likely winner.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I feel like I might stick with my eight at this point. I think you're right.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the fact that she's still here, number one, I mean, she had the double eviction and all

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_04]: these, there was like three HOHs in between the time that we last rated her and now. So

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_04]: I think the fact that she's still here and the fact that we still view her as the front

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_04]: runner, I mean, that's obviously really good for her. But I do think that, you know,

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_04]: like you said, some, there are some situations where she is not playing as great as we might hope.

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, for like you said, the fact that she was possibly on board with taking out Cam this week,

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_04]: like that's not the move. So yeah, I feel like some not great things, but overall I feel like

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_04]: the week has gone pretty well for her and she's still in such a good position that

[00:51:04] [SPEAKER_04]: you know, I mean, especially in comparison to everybody else who's still in the house,

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_04]: like I feel like I don't really see if she gets to the end, I really do think that it's her. Like so,

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it's just about getting there. And at this point, Kimo or Rubina, yes, they've been saying

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_04]: like, well, we can't go to the end with Chelsea, but one of them is leaving this week. So that's

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_04]: one person left who's saying, oh, I can't go to the end with Chelsea and like, okay, sure. But

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_04]: she has Cam, she has MJ as long as they, you know, all stick together. Then I think that

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_04]: she is in a good spot. And I definitely think that she can have votes to win.

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It's tricky because all it takes is Cam or Mackenzie deciding they don't want to go to the end of

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_03]: the semester. And then, you know, she could win, she could win a challenge, but we just

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_03]: don't know yet. Anyone could. I don't know. I was between a seven and an eight, honestly,

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_03]: not because I really feel like she didn't do anything, did anything terrible. I just

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_03]: feel like she didn't do a ton. But I guess if we're keeping her close to where she was last time,

[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess I can't really fault her. I guess she didn't really do anything a whole lot worse

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_03]: than last week. So I guess I'd keep her at an eight. It was close for me though. It was a low eight.

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the audience also gave Chelsea an eight this week. So it's going to be straight

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_02]: there. I'm curious, they are actually slightly up from last week. So we're just on different pages

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_02]: in the audience right now. All right, let's move on then to Kimo. Seems like it's finally his time.

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And boy, you can really blame him too because there was such a wide opening for this to

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_02]: get Kimo. And he basically didn't even try like,

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_04]: no fight. Nothing. Yeah, I mean, we've been saying no fight for like weeks now. Like it

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_04]: feel like it's not just like, well, it's the end of the game and he just gave up. I don't know

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_04]: what's going on. It's like this whole time every single time he's been nominated. I haven't seen

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_04]: any fight in him. Like it's always been like, Oh, well actually let's get this other person

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_04]: out before Kimo. And like that's all it is. And he's just been upon every week. But it's

[00:53:21] [SPEAKER_04]: not because of anything he has done. He hasn't tried at all. It's so depressing.

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Like the one thing I could say is maybe he was passive in other weeks to try and just hide and

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_03]: be hoped that other people vote out the other person on the block, which worked for him for all

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_03]: those weeks. And maybe he's like, you know what? I just really can't fight against Rubina. Like

[00:53:40] [SPEAKER_03]: I have to just let it go for either of them. But like, dude, you're you could be in the final

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_03]: four and you're like decent at competitions. And they could have gotten Cam up like it's

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_04]: not even like fighting against me. Yeah, yeah.

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Cereally at that point, like he could have put himself in a position where he wouldn't have

[00:53:56] [SPEAKER_04]: to go against Rubina and they could have gotten one of them off the block. Like that I don't

[00:54:00] [SPEAKER_03]: God, I, I it is, it's, I mean, it's a meme about how much he has all season talked

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_03]: about the idea of talking to people and talked about plans to doing it and just not doing

[00:54:13] [SPEAKER_03]: it. And it's not like there aren't opportunities to talk and they're so busy and there's so many

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_03]: people in the house and it'd be hard to get someone away at this point when there are five

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_03]: people left in the game. So yeah, it was bad. It was not good.

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like I'm just so surprised because I just feel like, I mean, I don't know. I feel like,

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_04]: I guess I'm not like surprised that Kimo's not doing anything but at the same time,

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_04]: like it feels so odd because in, in the beginning, you know, when they him and

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_04]: T-Core, they made that big move, like where they flipped the whole house and this whole thing.

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_04]: And so we know he has it in him. We know he can do it. We know he had the interest in playing,

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_04]: but then where did that interest go? Like why did it just stop?

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It seemed like I think he had power then. He could flip that vote. He had the numbers to do so.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_02]: If he, and listen, if he had won this HOH, I think he evicts Chelsea,

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_02]: right? And like becomes a front runner to win the game, you know? But he needed to,

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_02]: he needed to win. He didn't have the social strategic chops to,

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_02]: to pull something off without the power to do so or the gumption quite frankly,

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_02]: to try to get that power without winning the competition. So I think that's the

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_02]: big difference is that he just had the power before he doesn't now.

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. There's like this new type of classification I want to give to players like

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Kimo, where he's not a floater, not a coaster even. He's like, he's in an alliance.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_03]: He's firmly in an alliance that could do things and just chooses not to.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's not like because he mistakenly thinks he's safe,

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's not because of loyalty to the people in power. It's not because he's trying to play a middle

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_03]: game. It's just because he's chosen to do nothing. Like what do you even call that? And it's,

[00:56:14] [SPEAKER_03]: you've chosen to do nothing and it's not like you're in the middle. And so you have,

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_03]: you have no, you have no way of doing it. You're by yourself, you're on an island. No,

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_03]: he's had people. He's had allies. I just don't get it. It's fine.

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_04]: There's got to be a good name for that. I'm just not creative enough to think about it.

[00:56:32] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. What's the rating here for Kimo then?

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I honestly, I feel like I want to get one. I use to like NPC. Honestly.

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, pacifist. I don't know. It's whatever. I'm looking at the chat, trying to figure out

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_02]: all the ideas. I can tell you the audience gave Kimo a two.

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'd probably give him a two only because I feel like there's people get ones when they

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_03]: do something actively bad and he's just done nothing.

[00:57:06] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. I feel like I want to give him a one because I'm just so sick of him not doing anything.

[00:57:11] [SPEAKER_04]: I just feel like it's like, I don't know. It's like, he's gonna,

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_04]: he's going to leave the house when he really did not need to leave and just,

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_04]: just because he didn't do anything. And I,

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah, I'm just going to give him a one whatever. I'm going to give him one. Who cares?

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Wow. This sound sounds kind of different this time. Listen, it's a new soundboard.

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I love that soundboard. I do. It's such a strange feeling because like he

[00:57:47] [SPEAKER_02]: had all the right plans. He just didn't do any of them. It was like,

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to give him credit for coming up with the plan, but he didn't do the plan.

[00:57:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think I have to agree with the one ultimately. All right.

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's move on to MJ, our HOH, our Vito holder. I mean, listen, she won this HOH,

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_02]: she won this Vito. She has basically indicated that she is going to be winning

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_02]: probably more competitions. Now she may be in a must-win spot at the Final Four,

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_02]: but she seems like a favorite to win any given competition at this point.

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's pretty good. The problem is that if she does,

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_02]: she plans to go again with Chelsea, where she probably loses, which is bad.

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So where does she actually fall here is the question.

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_04]: What? Because I feel like she's not making any correct moves necessarily that really put her

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_02]: in a good spot, but she's just winning. What did she do this week beyond win two competitions?

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Right. But here's what I will say. When you compare her to Kim,

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_03]: they're both in a situation where they're sticking with a person who could probably beat them,

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_03]: staying with their alliance and they might get to the end. At least she will be able to say at

[00:59:10] [SPEAKER_03]: the end that she won challenges. Now I'm not saying that that should give her a win, because in

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_03]: some ways it's worse if you're winning challenges and then making bad moves with them,

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_03]: but at least it's something she can say. I think like the difference for me between

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_04]: her and Cam is a few things. It's like number one, Cam and Chelsea were aligned since the beginning.

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_04]: And like Terrin had said, we had just talked about how MJ wasn't part of that. She thought she was or

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_04]: wanted to be a part of it. And finally, Chelsea was like, okay, I guess she can be useful for me.

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_04]: I'll take her on. Whereas I get why Cam is like, yeah, Chelsea and I are working together

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_04]: because they are or they were. And now NJ's part of it. Yeah, I get that. But

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_04]: like it was not part of the whole thing. And then also for me, I do feel like MJ is winning competitions.

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_04]: She has power to make moves and do things that are beneficial to her game. And yet she chooses

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_04]: not to. She chooses to do things that are bad for her game and that are like just wrong

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_04]: uses of power. Whereas like with Cam, I can argue in my head like, well, if Cam did have power,

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_04]: if he did win this competition, he would have made the right move with this. It's just,

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_04]: we haven't seen Cam actively make bad moves at this point. I agree. I do like, I would trust

[01:00:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Cam with power way more than MJ at this point. We've seen MJ with power. She consistently makes

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_02]: bad decisions. Cam has much more consistently made decisions that were beneficial to him. He just

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_02]: hasn't had the power to do much more than that. And I talked about it this morning, but like,

[01:00:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Cam is the only one left who has been like on top of each vote. Like Cam hasn't lost a vote yet.

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Chelsea lost the T-Core vote. MJ after targeting Lea lost the Lea vote.

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But Cam has consistently been on the right side of that. And the one time he was not in recent

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: memory was when he could have been. They just didn't tell him it would have last minute flip.

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So I do think there's something there. I think that Cam with power is a lot more likely

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: to do a correct thing. Whereas MJ with power is targeting Lea, hoping that Angela leaves

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: and then flirting with the idea of doing a move that would be very good for her, which is take

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_03]: out Cam, but not doing it. Well, we can't forget the flirting with the idea of putting Cam up,

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: but not taking him out, which would have been horrible. Exactly. Like, so just to walk through

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_02]: every step of the way, why I don't like this. It's the first step of she plans to put him on the block

[01:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: not to take him out, but just to scare him a little very Jared of her. And you know who's mad

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_03]: at you from doing that? Cam, Rubina and Kimo and probably Chelsea, all of them.

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's an awful play. She ends up not doing it. She ends up, okay, well, what if I target Cam?

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, okay, that is an actually good play because of many reasons. One of which is that

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: you take out a threat to your game zone and so forth. Her reasoning, he's throwing comps. We've

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: carried him too long. Wild reasoning. What are you talking about? You want to victim

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: because he's throwing comps and then you find out he's not throwing comps and you're like,

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: okay, never mind. I don't want to take him out. It's like, also who cares if he's throwing

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: comps? And then it's just to put the cherry on top. You tell him all of this.

[01:02:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Wild. I was going to put you up, Cam. That's so stupid. But by winning power,

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_03]: McKenzie continues to keep herself safe and she doesn't even realize that that's what's happening.

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. And also if you tell someone like I was going to put you up or I was thinking of

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_04]: putting you up, oh, I like your little thumbs down. But I didn't do that on purpose.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to do it. It's not working for me. But yeah, by telling someone I was going to put

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_04]: you up, that gives them a reason later on to be like, well, I'm going to put you up. Oh, well,

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_04]: you had said you were going to put me up. Even if they didn't end up doing it,

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_04]: the fact that that was even in their mind is something they can use against them later.

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, that's just it's not good.

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. All right. So rating wise, she was a one last week, which is not great. I do genuinely

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: think I think that there are a lot of scenarios where she leaves at the final four. I think one

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: is Chelsea wins HOH, Rubina or Cam win Vito, maybe even if Chelsea wins Vito.

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Then there's another scenario where anybody else wins HOH. Let's say like Rubina wins HOH,

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Cam wins Vito. I think he evicts MJ. Let's say, yeah, I mean it really just,

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: there are, let me just quickly because obviously Rubina gets evicted if MJ wins or at least

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: the likeliest option. I really don't even know what Chelsea does. I think Cam evicts MJ in every

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: scenario where he has the Vito and I think Rubina evicts Chelsea or MJ if given the chance.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: More likely to evict MJ given that Chelsea can win HOH,

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: but wouldn't be impossible for her to evict Chelsea either, which would be wild.

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So it doesn't look amazing for her. And then my thing is that even if she does survive,

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: she's now in a final three where if she wins the final three HOH, she's taken Chelsea. So like

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe if Rubina wins HOH, wins the Vito, evicts Chelsea. MJ, Cam, Rubina final three.

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Now MJ can win. Or somehow they get Cam, maybe if she evicts Cam, MJ, Rubina, Chelsea final three,

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Rubina wins final three HOH, takes MJ, MJ maybe wins. I was like, I'm trying to find the scenarios

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_02]: where she wins and it's just like, it just feels like there aren't that many. And it

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: requires her losing specific competitions because she's too likely to take Chelsea.

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. I think there's a chance she would get to the, if she wins the final three HOH,

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that there is, I don't think it's like 100% lock. Oh, she's 100% taking Chelsea just

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_03]: because she's friends with her. I think she still has been convincing herself that she needs

[01:05:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Chelsea for whatever reason that she's working with her. She needs to have allies and be on a

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_03]: side, but that she would do the smart thing and take her out at the end. I don't think that that's

[01:06:02] [SPEAKER_03]: super likely, but I'd give her about like a, at least a 30% chance of doing that. So I think it's

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_03]: possible. And I'd give her the highest chance of winning the final HOH. So.

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. You know what? Listen, I don't want to be too confident on jury. I'm going to give

[01:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: her a four because I think that she's just, she's winning comps enough that it's like, okay,

[01:06:24] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe you'll just be sitting there and who knows? Like we're assuming Chelsea wins,

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_04]: but this jury could be wild for all we know. That's true. Yeah. It's so tricky because I do feel like

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm kind of like, I want, I, I'm just still so disappointed. I just feel like I, I worked

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_04]: myself up thinking that, you know, she recognizes that she's on the outside and she could form

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_04]: her new thing and she's a copy. So like that helps her in whatever capacity, like whatever

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_04]: way she wants to move forward. Like if she wants to form a new alliance, like she can do so because

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: she's winning all these competitions and doing all this stuff. And instead she just like kind of

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_04]: glommed on to an alliance that didn't really want her in the first place. I just think

[01:07:12] [SPEAKER_04]: I think it, yeah, I really don't know what the jury is going to do. Like I think like if

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_04]: it's a total possibility that she gets the end and she's just like, look at me. I copped out.

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_04]: I was alone the whole, like, you know, for most of the game and I'm still here because I won

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_04]: all these competitions. Maybe people are impressed with that. I don't know. I'm not super

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_04]: impressed with like just competition wins and then making bad decisions with those

[01:07:35] [SPEAKER_04]: competition wins. But I do think that, you know, there is an argument to be made.

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_04]: I think I will give her the three.

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And like I've seen people saying like, our MJ's chance is really that much worse than

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Cam's. I do think that Cam is more likely to win the game. But on top of that, like MJ is

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: continuing to make actively bad decisions, whereas Cam is making good decisions. He's

[01:08:00] [SPEAKER_02]: bonding with Kimo and Rabina. Right. He's saving himself from being nominated. Like,

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: you know, it's just the way that they're playing is vastly different too.

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. So for the people who are like, Oh, well, you think Cam is just like a much better chance of

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_04]: winning the game than MJ? It's like, this isn't just about winning. This is about like how they're

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_04]: also playing, like and how what happens when they get to the end and who they're taking. Like,

[01:08:25] [SPEAKER_04]: it's not just like in a vacuum do they win? Like we don't know who they're going to take or

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_04]: what they're going to do. And if we have somebody who's making decisions that are bad for their

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_04]: game, you know, historically, then we're going to assume that they probably will make bad decisions

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_04]: for their game moving forward. So that's kind of like you have to take all that new account as well.

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. I've been going back and forth. I wish I could go higher because I do feel like she still

[01:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: has some of the best chance of winning competitions here at the end of just keeping

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_03]: herself safe. So I think that she's in a highly likely position to be taken to the final three

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_03]: or taken to the end or even win, but win the final three. But I'll say,

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll say based on the playmen of this week, which is below average despite her winning,

[01:09:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll give her the four. All right. The audience is a little bit higher on MJ. They did give her

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_02]: the five, but just barely, just barely a five there. It is below Cam's rating overall, but

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: does get to the five from the audience. Let's talk about Rabina. Looking like she will stay,

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: but she is on the block. Things could theoretically change. Pretty disappointed with her not pushing

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_02]: harder to get the veto used given that how close it was to being used and how much she

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_02]: procrastinated in terms of getting, you know, having that conversation. By the time she had

[01:09:54] [SPEAKER_02]: the conversation with MJ, she had changed her mind. She'd had the conversation earlier,

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: genuinely, I think Cam's on the block maybe going home. So that's pretty upsetting. She didn't make

[01:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: an attempt to get MJ to turn on Chelsea, but it failed. So yeah, not great. Yeah, I don't know.

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like I am just not, I wish that they had done more. I honestly, I feel like this

[01:10:23] [SPEAKER_04]: week could have at least been a little interesting. Not that I'm like, I really want Cam to go or

[01:10:28] [SPEAKER_04]: something. Like I don't, but I just feel like we at least could have had something like, ooh,

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_04]: wow, maybe Cam is on the block or what's going to happen? Or they could have had a chance. And

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_04]: the fact that they both were just like acting like they were just like on the Titanic and

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_04]: they were just like holding hands in bed or whatever. It's like, you guys could have

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_04]: jumped on the lifeboat or on the little wood door or something. You didn't have to just like

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_04]: sit there in the bed and accept your fate. Anyway, I think, yeah, I don't know. I do think

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Rabina is going to stay. And I think if she gets to the end, I think there's a good chance

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_04]: that she could win because I think, like I said, she has the trio. And I think that she could

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_04]: make a good argument like, hey, look at me, I'm alone here. And I think that she could say,

[01:11:17] [SPEAKER_04]: me and my crew have been targeted the entire time. And yet here I am. So I absolutely think that she

[01:11:24] [SPEAKER_04]: could make a really good argument if she's in the final two, but do I think she's going to get there?

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_04]: I just, I don't know. It's hard to see that at this point because I feel like

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_04]: I don't necessarily see Cam or MJ making decisions that are like,

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_04]: like ruthless quote unquote and thinking like, I have to get Chelsea out. Like I could win

[01:11:46] [SPEAKER_04]: against Rubina, even though like I kind of think Rubina might win against them. Like the idea in

[01:11:51] [SPEAKER_04]: their head should be I need to keep everybody but Chelsea at this point. Like that would be

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_04]: like what I would be thinking if I was in the house. And so I don't, but I don't see them doing

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_04]: that. I see them wanting to take Chelsea and like have the three of them. So I could see

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_04]: them just immediately being like, okay, now we only have one person left to get out before

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_04]: it's just us three in the end. So let's just get Rubina out this week. And then let's move

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_04]: on. Like, and then we're in the final three together. Like I could see a boring thing like

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_04]: that happen. And I don't know if I see Rubina, you know, beasting out and winning the veto or

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_04]: anything like that. So I mean, maybe she will, but I don't know. It's hard to say.

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. It just doesn't feel like it's looking great for Rubina. I just feel like,

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_02]: like her best shot seems to be against Cam right now in the final two. You can say she has

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Ticor Kimo and then who else? Right? Like, I don't think she's getting Leah. I don't think

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: she's getting Angela. Maybe Cam cuts Chelsea to bring her and then Chelsea's mad. So there's

[01:12:59] [SPEAKER_02]: a, there's a Chelsea vote there. But, but if Cam cuts Chelsea, I think he's definitely getting

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Quinn. So like, yeah, it just feels rough. Like maybe with Chelsea, you get MJ and you get MJ,

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Chelsea, Ticor, Kimo. Like maybe there's a world where you can pull those votes, but like

[01:13:24] [SPEAKER_02]: it seems tough. Like maybe she cuts Chelsea takes Cam. That's maybe the more likely option at

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_02]: this point given that Cam is I think maybe a little less likely to cut Chelsea. And then

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_02]: you have, you have Ticor, Kimo. Maybe you then get Quinn. I'm still not sure you get Leah Angela.

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Leah was never a huge fan of Rubina. Yeah. And then I don't think you get Chelsea. It's,

[01:13:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's tough. I just think it's tough. Yeah. Have to find the path to victory.

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_03]: We've been surprised before, but yeah, I think, I think this is a tough sell.

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I think she, she, I want to give her credit for some of the work that she actually did this week,

[01:14:10] [SPEAKER_03]: at least she tried more than Kimo, but long term it's not looking great.

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Well, the audience went with a three for Rubina. I'm still having around three or two

[01:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: though, because it really just, it just seems like a pipe dream to be honest. And I do think she,

[01:14:34] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah, I'm going to give her the two. I'm going to give her two as well. I mean,

[01:14:39] [SPEAKER_04]: there's still a possibility she goes home this week, but exactly. She's on the block

[01:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and Cam expressed interest in keeping Kimo. I talked about that this morning, but like,

[01:14:46] [SPEAKER_02]: like I said, Cam has not been on the wrong side of a vote push yet.

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's not like he's made a lot of progress keeping Kimo today or anything, but

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_02]: it is not impossible this vote flips. And it's not like we expect really either of Kimo or

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Rubina to be pushing too hard in any direction right now. I think just for consistency's sake,

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I have to go with the three because I think she did better than Kimo.

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: There you go. All right, that is it then. That is the stock watch for the week. I think,

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I believe we only have one round table left. Wow. It's wild. It's crazy when it gets to be like

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_04]: so few people like you look at the rest of the people and like remember we were rating

[01:15:34] [SPEAKER_04]: like 16 people at one point and now it's like it goes so fast all the way down here.

[01:15:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Geez, it's wild. All right. Well, that's it for the stock watch this week then. Any final thoughts?

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm excited to see where this season goes. I feel like I really don't, like I said,

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_04]: I could see any of them winning and I don't truly, I think like any one of them

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_04]: could have a good argument for why they should win. And I do hope that they

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_04]: can argue their case when they get to the end. I know the speeches don't change anyone's minds

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_04]: necessarily but I would like to see some good arguments there especially for some people who

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_04]: maybe have not maybe outwardly done a lot. It would be nice to see them kind of like step up and either

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_04]: do a lot in the end game or be able to argue why they did the strategy that they,

[01:16:36] [SPEAKER_04]: why they used the strategy that they did, why they made the moves that they did,

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_04]: like what they accomplished, etc. I know it gets kind of a slog at the end

[01:16:47] [SPEAKER_04]: but I do feel like there is some room for some fun stuff to happen in the end. So I'm excited

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_03]: to see how this plays out. Yeah. Yeah, excited for the end because I do feel like we have,

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_03]: despite Chelsea being the front runner, a lot of questions about how the jury could go and so

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_03]: at least that'll be interesting to see. So yeah, it's been a good season overall. I know

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_03]: that this was kind of a lower key stock watch here at the end but there's so few people. What are

[01:17:22] [SPEAKER_04]: you going to do? There's not going to be drama here. It always gets that way I feel. It's like,

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah, it's like even if it's exciting, it's like, well, there's only like five people to rate

[01:17:31] [SPEAKER_04]: so there's not too much going on. All right. Well, stay tuned. Of course,

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[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: We know Scripted TV. Mary, what are you going on? Well, I hear the slop was like really good

[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_03]: today so you should probably check that out. I hear that. Yeah, I heard Angela stop by from

[01:18:22] [SPEAKER_03]: the jury house. I heard the same thing which is wild. I don't know how Rob keeps getting these

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_03]: like jury interviews but it's amazing. So yeah, people should probably check that out.

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