BB26 Quinn Martin Deep Dive Part 1

[00:00:00] Hello everyone and welcome back to RHAP for some post-season Big Brother coverage deep dives. I'm your host, Taran Armstrong, and with me today, the man who has been waiting for this for a while. It's Quinn. How you doing, Quinn?

[00:00:22] I'm doing wonderful. I made sure to shower before this podcast because I saw the no shower allegations on Twitter.

[00:00:28] It's almost as bad as the Alison Grodner's nephew allegations, all right? They're both false! I bathe, okay, America? This is your moment. Get stunted on, okay? Oh my goodness. I'm happy to be here.

[00:00:42] The no shower allegations come hot and heavy for all Big Brother players, I feel. It's a very common accusation.

[00:00:51] Very funny. You know, it's like, what are we doing? You think that we have unlimited time? You think you're not going to take a moment to just clean yourself?

[00:00:59] To be fair, there have been some players.

[00:01:03] You're like, what is happening right now? That's crazy.

[00:01:07] If Chelsea is to be believed, Cam might have had some issues with his feet, who knows?

[00:01:14] I can say Cam may have had crusty feet, okay? But he has a big heart, so I'm willing to look past it.

[00:01:20] I gave him a pair of my favorite socks because all of his socks were worn out, and I was like, this guy deserves some love. Here's a good pair of socks, you know?

[00:01:30] You know, it's that kind-heartedness that really shines through.

[00:01:35] I, uh, before we, so obviously we're here for a deep dive, uh, Quinn. Uh, you, uh, you once talked about, um, about racing.

[00:01:46] All right, so it's gonna be a race to see who gets the deep dive with Taron.

[00:01:49] Dibs, dibs, dibs.

[00:01:53] I won! Yeah!

[00:01:55] Yeah, you know, I wish-

[00:01:56] I mean, directly responsible for winning as well, instead of taking Joseph out of the game.

[00:02:01] Just dibs, all right? It's like, yeah, that was the real reason. I was like, I need to get this guy out of here.

[00:02:06] Listen, you kept-

[00:02:06] You kept it on the DL, but that was clearly the reason.

[00:02:10] Yeah. Oh my gosh. Is there a way I can-

[00:02:15] Okay, here we go.

[00:02:17] I'm putting myself on do not disturb. Okay, there we go.

[00:02:20] Um, yeah, I managed to take Joseph out with the selfish reasons of,

[00:02:24] I called dibs first, and therefore I can't give him the chance to outshine me in the late game.

[00:02:29] Yes. Uh, so we are here for, uh,

[00:02:33] for a deep dive, uh, Quinn, you were, uh, a huge part of the season. Um, and, uh, also on the jury,

[00:02:42] I imagine there's plenty to talk about there. Uh, I do want to quickly tell a brief story, uh,

[00:02:49] before we get started, which is of how this, uh, deep dive came together, which is that, um,

[00:02:54] um, I suggested a time and you said, oh, that's great. Um, and then as I was recording a Survivor

[00:03:02] podcast, I see a message from you that was along the lines of, oh, is this live? And then I'm seeing

[00:03:10] in my mentions, a bunch of people being like, oh, can't wait for tomorrow.

[00:03:16] I, I may have gotten excited. I, I always thought these were live because in my head,

[00:03:21] like Corey's was six hours and I'm like, they're not editing six hours. It kind of no shot. I remember

[00:03:26] like Zach live tweeting it being like, they're still going. And so in my head, I'm like there,

[00:03:33] you know, it's live, but you know, what are we talking about? What are you scared of hiding in

[00:03:37] the edit? Taryn, come on, get the people what they want. Fun fact. I had to, we had to pause

[00:03:42] in the middle of the Corey deep dive to do a different interview for big brother. And then I

[00:03:48] came back and we concluded the, I wish that Corey would have been included in that interview. You're

[00:03:53] like, you're like, yeah, he's here too. For some reason, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Um, but, uh, it was

[00:04:00] in that moment when I was seeing all these people talk about the deep dive that was not going to be live

[00:04:04] that I realized, Oh, this is how the Pentagon felt. Yeah. Yeah. You know, just miscalculations.

[00:04:11] You know, um, unbelievable. My Quinions chat, they even, they were like, are those live? I was

[00:04:17] like, guys, I'm pretty sure they're like trying to save me. They're like, Quinn, I don't think this

[00:04:22] is right. I was like, trust me guys. Which one of us was on big brother. Okay. You made a graphic

[00:04:28] and everything. It was sweet. I felt very bad that I had to sort of be like, ah, actually,

[00:04:34] Quinn. Hey, shut that down. You guys don't know this, but Taryn got very threatening behind.

[00:04:39] Oh, I did. Yeah. He was very aggressive. I, he shared my address. I didn't share that with him.

[00:04:45] He just sent me my own address. I sent it to you. And I said, listen, if you don't take down that

[00:04:51] the real story is that I very much was like, okay, maybe we'll just do it live. Cause I don't want to

[00:04:57] have to break it to it. Unfortunately, there was another podcast scheduled for the time. I was like,

[00:05:02] all right, we got to. Oh yeah. Everyone is tuning in to, uh, the survivor know-it-alls. They're

[00:05:07] listening to the theme song. They're waiting to see who's going to get the fishy. And then they're

[00:05:12] like, where's Quinn and Taryn? This show sucks. Yeah, exactly. Oh my goodness. Um, okay. Quinn,

[00:05:19] uh, tell me the story. Where, where did, where did the big brother start for you? When, when did you

[00:05:25] start watching the show? When did you start listening to the podcast? When did you apply? All that's good

[00:05:30] stuff. Okay. So it all started with big brother 11. Um, prior to that, we were a survivor family,

[00:05:38] you know, Bob with the bow tie. That guy is, uh, that's my brother's favorite player,

[00:05:44] or he was at the time I was an Eric Reichenbach guy. Um, same with Ozzy, you know, anyone with vaguely

[00:05:49] long hair I was cheering for. And then we moved to, uh, the United States and all of a sudden big

[00:05:56] brother is an option and we can watch it. We tune in. Um, I fell in love with this or I started to

[00:06:02] like the show with season 11 season 12 is when I fell in love with it. You know, the brigade,

[00:06:07] the meow meow is so hilarious to me, especially as like a kid. I was like, that's iconic. Some guy

[00:06:12] just calling himself that I was sold. It's so campy. It's so funny. That's where the love started for me.

[00:06:17] And then, um, in terms of like applying, I applied for big brother 25. I was working as a like business

[00:06:26] development rep for a software company snooze fest. That stuff is so boring and lame. It's not

[00:06:33] for me. And so I was like, let me go chase my dreams real quick. I watched this, uh, podcast. I watched

[00:06:40] pooch's application video, which gave me the courage to apply. I was like, Oh, this guy got on. I can for

[00:06:47] sure. Get on like, and that's no shade. He's obviously a good character, like whatever, but, um,

[00:06:53] Like pooch, you are a big dog.

[00:06:55] Oh, big dogs. Come on now.

[00:06:59] What's crazy is I did that enough times in the DR. I have no idea what that's referencing.

[00:07:05] I was doing that every time I was in there, anything vaguely like positive happened to me. And I just be

[00:07:11] like, we're back baby. Woo. In fact, uh, yeah, we are so bad. I believe the big dogs eat. I believe

[00:07:22] that was after getting, uh, Tucker out. Oh, well yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Big dogs do eat.

[00:07:28] Okay. Come on. Oh my goodness. Wait, let me put on a blazer here to match the, this is a big deal.

[00:07:36] You know, we got to clock in. Okay. Is this, this is the, uh, the like, uh, beginning portion of the deep

[00:07:46] dive blazer. You do have another one prepared just in case you need to get more serious. Yes, I do. I

[00:07:51] have one that is more serious. This is actually my sister's blazer. She's going to be so pissed when I

[00:07:55] flex through these, uh, sleeves, but yeah, I've got something more formal for the later half of this,

[00:08:02] uh, interview. Okay. So you see pooch on the show and you think, Oh, I can do that. Yeah. All right.

[00:08:11] So I record my video. I, and I stayed up so late recording and putting this video together

[00:08:17] that I skipped work the very next day. And I got a call immediately from CBS casting. And it's this

[00:08:24] lady, she's talking to me. I didn't expect that in a million years. I had never considered like,

[00:08:29] Oh, they'll actually reach out and I'll have to answer questions about myself. I'll have to like

[00:08:34] express why I'm a good candidate, like absolutely fumble the bag. So going into big brother 26,

[00:08:41] I rewatched like 22 seasons. I skipped out on eight, nine, 11, and 13. Um, I watched every single

[00:08:51] video or piece of media that is related to casting. I submitted my old video to Zach Wurttenberger

[00:08:57] through cameo for his like thoughts to which it was like, yeah, man, if you got a call,

[00:09:03] you did something right. So just do that again. Um, so I like studied the casting process.

[00:09:08] Went out there. Dan's book. If I recall. Yes. Yes. And which, oh my goodness. Um,

[00:09:14] for people who are going to look it up, the easiest way to find it is not big brother casting. You look up

[00:09:19] survivor casting and there's this random article from like the early two thousands where it,

[00:09:25] there's a Dropbox link, Dropbox link to Dan's book. It's, it was so sketchy and I was like,

[00:09:32] yeah, download, screw it. Let's see what happens. Uh, let me tell you, it's hard to find nowadays

[00:09:37] in physical form. Absolutely. I'm actually reselling bootleg copies for $9,000. If any desperate fans

[00:09:45] want to get on the show, hit my line. Yeah. Uh, so you're looking up casting advice. Um,

[00:09:53] you find it helpful. I imagine. Um, vaguely, it was just like, honestly, um, watching the Mike

[00:10:01] Bloom survivor interviews like preseason. That's what really helped me is I just would answer the

[00:10:08] questions as if I was already on the show for big brother and just trying to apply it to that

[00:10:13] context. So then I had like actual deep, like penetrating questions and like good responses

[00:10:18] to them. So then once the casting process started, I had an answer of who I am, what defines me. And

[00:10:25] these are the characteristics you should remember. None of those stuck. They only like the crash

[00:10:30] symbol thing, which is hilarious. Uh, but we got in, I, you know, I was cut America style and then

[00:10:37] they brought me back in the fold. It was, it was a turbulent experience for sure.

[00:10:40] Hmm. Uh, did you, you told them about your, uh, frogs and doves?

[00:10:46] No, I, I cooked that up in a sequester. Okay. So for real, I'm like, I had a vague idea because I

[00:10:54] was like, there needs to be a difference between rats and snakes. And that was just like a thought

[00:10:59] experiment I had. Then I was locked in a hotel for an unnamed amount of time. And I was just like,

[00:11:04] let me cook. Actually, let me, let me chef up some big brother theory. And so then the preseason

[00:11:09] press comes around and I'm like, all right, let me show them how crazy I am. Um, which I think I

[00:11:15] ate on the, on the little graph thing, you know, in terms of, uh, like creating it or where you

[00:11:22] would place yourself. I think that I ate in like creating it. I feel like that was pretty fire. I

[00:11:27] think that that's a pretty good framework to apply to, uh, former big brother players. And it is pretty

[00:11:32] good. I feel like, uh, there wasn't, uh, a detailed explanation like on the show, but I have seen

[00:11:40] your explanation post-show, but in case somebody hasn't seen it, uh, can you explain your, your

[00:11:45] frogs and doves, rats and snakes theory?

[00:11:48] So imagine we have a spectrum, right? And on this end, we have rats or we have snakes on this side.

[00:11:54] We have doves. These players are leading the game, um, through what they believe is like

[00:12:01] the way to carry the game. So like snakes are very nefarious. They are lying. They're having a good

[00:12:06] time and they enjoy it. They, they are intentional in their like diabolical nature and they're having

[00:12:12] a good time with it. And they're controlling the narrative of the season. You know, this is how

[00:12:16] we're going to operate. Then you look on the opposite end of the aisle. You have doves, people

[00:12:20] who believe that their causes are just, they are holy. They are honest. They are good. They are

[00:12:26] doing this for the right reasons. And they are pushing that same narrative and you can be a

[00:12:30] hypocrite and be a dove. Like you can, you can be like, well, you know, you could be lying, but it's

[00:12:35] okay because your cause is just, but it's just like that difference in recognition of your own

[00:12:40] nefariousness and thinking that your cause is just. And then a rat is someone who reacts with those more

[00:12:47] diabolical nefarious, uh, responses. They're not actively going out there and pushing this narrative

[00:12:53] that we need to lie to everyone. But if they find themselves back against the wall,

[00:12:57] they're going to do whatever it takes to get through it. Whereas like a frog is someone who

[00:13:02] is reacting with more honesty and truth. You know, I think cam from this season would be a frog.

[00:13:07] He's not like lying all the time or as far as I know, he's not lying all the time. He's trying to

[00:13:15] be a more honest player. And, but he's not like, I don't think judging people or anything like that.

[00:13:21] Uh, just some basic summarization of the framework, you know?

[00:13:25] Yeah. Um, well, uh, there was, uh, there was another thing that we should probably address

[00:13:31] right away, which is, um, I think, uh, Rob took some issue with a statement you made

[00:13:36] in the house. Uh, there's just a, there's a clip here.

[00:13:40] She watches the same podcasts I watched and that's some nerdy shit. Like that's crazy.

[00:13:48] When she revealed that she watches, and this isn't a good podcast name, I apologize.

[00:13:54] And she was like, yeah, I watched Rob has a podcast. And I was like, Oh, that's deep.

[00:14:03] Listen, it's, it worked out, you know, because now it's like Rob has a podcast is a podcast

[00:14:08] conglomerate. Crazy name. I also recognize back when podcasts got started, maybe the names

[00:14:14] weren't as like intentional. I don't know. It's a crazy name. I also saw a clip where it

[00:14:20] was like, uh, you guys throw in shade and you're like, Oh yeah. The guy who named the

[00:14:25] pro boys Alliance. That was the joke. I chose the most intentionally bad name just because

[00:14:31] I thought it was funny. And then he won't ruin that bit. But, um, yeah, listen, the podcast

[00:14:36] name is good. Also to answer your question earlier, I started watching the podcast very heavily

[00:14:41] with big brother 23. I was really curious about, uh, like the formation and like the inner

[00:14:47] machinations of, um, the cookout. And so that's when I really started digging deep. Um,

[00:14:54] but yeah, listen, the name is a little wild. It's very on the nose.

[00:14:58] Listen, uh, Rob may have taken an issue, but, uh, if you watch the podcast that I talk about,

[00:15:05] I am completely with you. Can you, can you imagine this is my job? I have to tell people,

[00:15:11] Oh yeah, I do like podcasts and like content creation. Oh, what's your podcast?

[00:15:16] Yeah. It's called Rob has a podcast.

[00:15:20] It's this guy named Rob. He was almost on big brother. Your name isn't. Yeah. Your,

[00:15:23] your name isn't Rob. Yeah. It's this. He was on survivor. Oh, Boston Rob.

[00:15:31] That's iconic. I'm happy. You know, you, I didn't even think about what your day-to-day

[00:15:36] experiences. That's wild. Oh my God.

[00:15:38] Yeah. Yeah. Um, you also, uh, you know, you went on the show and, uh, you said this

[00:15:45] beat you to Zach cook it. Like, come on. He, I paid him money on cameo. So I'm allowed to bully him.

[00:15:55] And that was my theory. You know, that's how it works. Yes. Yes. So if anyone wants to bully

[00:16:00] Zach next season, the super fan that's watching this for sure. Um, that's going to be on big brother

[00:16:05] 27. You have to pay Zach. If you're going to say, I also beat you pay him first. So now Zach has to

[00:16:12] be careful of every cameo he accepts. He has to be like, Oh, is this person going to fricking

[00:16:16] go? It is a minefield. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, uh, you get on the show. What, what is the game plan

[00:16:24] coming in? Like what, what is your general idea of how this is going to work?

[00:16:29] Um, off the rip, I noticed how big all the dudes are my season. Like they're so tall other than

[00:16:37] Joseph. I'm looking at every dude and they're massive. And so, and instantly I'm like, this is

[00:16:43] probably not going to go well in terms of being invited to the majority Alliance, just because

[00:16:48] of my size, people are not going to assume that I'm pretty athletic. And so, um, that's my first

[00:16:55] observation. Uh, I want to surround myself with more sentimental players, those emotional players.

[00:17:00] So that as we get deeper into the game, it's more and more difficult for them to stab me in the back.

[00:17:05] Whereas I'm like, I'm a rat in a cage. I don't care. I'll do whatever it takes. I don't mind.

[00:17:11] Like we'll still be friends afterwards. Like who cares? Um, so those were kind of the people I

[00:17:16] wanted to surround myself with. That was things that I was cognizant of, you know, being so small

[00:17:21] and then, um, just overwhelming excitement. Like in my head, I was handling it pretty well

[00:17:28] moving. My body was having like a, I'm not kidding. Physical reaction to the anxiety of,

[00:17:34] oh my God, this is happening to where I'm sitting next to Lisa when the second moving group comes in

[00:17:39] and my legs are shaking, like without my permission, I'm like giving off the most red flags. Like this

[00:17:46] kid is scared for his life. And Lisa's like rubbing my back, trying to make me feel better.

[00:17:50] So it was just like a lot of anxiety. I wasn't even sure if I was on the show until I was on the stage

[00:17:56] and walking through the door. Cause I was like, no way they make them refilm this. Okay. I'm on.

[00:18:00] Um, yeah, just a million in different one thoughts, but strategically surround myself with

[00:18:06] more emotional players and just who, whoever the first HOH is I'm forming a final two with that was,

[00:18:14] I was absolutely going to do that no matter what. Yeah. The, the wanting to align with emotional

[00:18:19] players, I think is something that stood out in terms of like your pregame strategy, uh, having

[00:18:24] played the game now, do you feel like that was the right tactic for you to, to try to align with

[00:18:31] who you deemed to be the more emotional players? I think that my idea was in the, or my head was in

[00:18:37] the right spot, but I overestimated my ability to connect with them and them appreciating me

[00:18:43] because they chemo and T core flipped on a majority Alliance week three or week four to keep Rubina

[00:18:54] over. Like they dissolved the majority Alliance. So like, if I had been able to fortify those same

[00:19:00] connections that Rubina did, I think that it works out for me, but the sad story of it is that I just

[00:19:06] didn't have that dog in me to connect with them emotionally. And so it backfired, but I think my heart

[00:19:11] was in the right place knowing I, you know, this is going to be cocky. I do have an ability to endear

[00:19:16] myself to others. I know that like the people who love me in life love me very deeply. And so I thought

[00:19:22] that I would be able to weaponize that in the house. Do you, do you feel like you learned anything

[00:19:28] about yourself, uh, playing the game in terms of like being somebody that can connect really easily

[00:19:33] and endear yourself to people and then finding some difficulty in achieving what you were hoping to

[00:19:40] via that sort of strength in the house? Um, I think what I did learn about myself is, you know, it's a very

[00:19:48] insecure process. It feels like every conversation you have with people, it's like water falling out of like a

[00:19:53] colander. Like it's just instantly gone. And so I was never, you know, I'm a very awkward person. And so trying to

[00:20:02] connect with people is like a difficult thing for me. It happens in some way or another. It's never intentional

[00:20:07] for me. And I feel like just being on the show highlighted that. I don't know what I did to make

[00:20:13] Brooklyn like me so much, but she liked me, you know? And so I like thought that I would be able

[00:20:17] to weaponize this charisma about myself, but the truth is I don't even know what it is about me that

[00:20:22] makes people like me. And that's an overestimation on my ability. I was like, yeah, people think I'm

[00:20:27] funny and then that's it. Like that's kind of what I learned.

[00:20:30] Hmm. Okay. Well, uh, let's, let's jump into, to week one. You enter the game, you saw some big guys,

[00:20:41] um, but very quickly you start to become one of the like better positioned players. Cause you're

[00:20:49] invited. You are actually invited into a ton of different things. Um, and I remember at the time,

[00:20:54] a lot of people were like, like, how is Quinn doing this? Like he's, he's getting the invite from like

[00:20:59] every single person, uh, in every single corner of the house. Um, so what was your experience of that?

[00:21:07] Um, so getting invited to every Alliance was like very intentional. Um, I shared people with people,

[00:21:15] my mile time instantly, which is so stupid, but I was like, I need them to know that I'm an athlete.

[00:21:22] And so I shared that I was a collegiate athlete, both a soccer and indoor track. I shared that my mile

[00:21:27] time is four minutes and 52 seconds. Like I let them know that I am a competitor. And so I think

[00:21:34] that that's what kind of opened the door. And then this wasn't intentional. I didn't think that

[00:21:39] being a super fan was going to play as big of a factor as it did in my game. I assumed everyone

[00:21:44] was going to download Paramount plus like the days of big brother 14, where people are lying about how

[00:21:51] big of a fan they are. That to me didn't make sense because I'm like, well, you're either on the

[00:21:57] show because you're a recruit or because you're a fan. And then it's like, if you're a recruit,

[00:22:01] you have access to this very affordable, like streaming service where you can just clock in.

[00:22:07] And this is such a big opportunity. Surely everyone is going to do that. And so I think

[00:22:13] that by sharing how much I love the show and how knowledgeable I was, people felt like, Oh,

[00:22:18] Quinn is a weapon that we can bring in and he'll be able to share insight. I think that those were

[00:22:23] the two big things that brought people closer to the idea of including me in alliances.

[00:22:29] Yeah. I have to imagine that a lot of people who are recruited to be on the show don't fully grasp

[00:22:37] how like competitive it is beforehand. Cause like, otherwise I feel like you would do tons and tons

[00:22:43] of research and this is not to like shade those people, but I think that like, you know, I think

[00:22:47] that if you're recruited for a reality show, like if you got recruited to be on, I don't even know,

[00:22:52] I don't even know what other reality shows exist to be honest, but like a Jersey shore back in the

[00:22:57] day, like it's not like you had to be like, Oh, well let me catch up on all the Jersey shores.

[00:23:02] So I can be up to date when I am on Jersey shore. Like I have to imagine that's part of it.

[00:23:09] Absolutely. And I mean, people did do research, like they watched season 20 and big brother Canada,

[00:23:16] I think 10 is what a lot of people are six. Yeah. Six. Um, I know that, that people had been

[00:23:23] mentioning that to which I thought was strange because I'm too lazy to download a VPN. And so

[00:23:29] I'm like, I'm behind on big brother Canada. You've only seen season 20, 25 and big brother Canada six.

[00:23:36] What the heck? Like that's so random. Um, yeah, I, I think that a lot of people just assume,

[00:23:43] and it, this is the truth. Like you don't need to be super duper familiar with the show to be

[00:23:48] successful at it. But, uh, yeah, people, people appreciated my knowledge of the game,

[00:23:55] but it also worked against me with like Tucker. He thought that I was like the big brother

[00:23:58] antichrist because I'd watched multiple seasons. Yeah. I think Matt was another guy that came in

[00:24:04] saying he wanted to like take out the nerds who knew about big brother.

[00:24:08] And then he instantly gets up close with me and Joseph, which I was like, yeah, good strategy,

[00:24:13] brother. He was talking about like the Pythagorean theorem or something. I was like, all right,

[00:24:17] you're the dork. Like get out of here. Oh my goodness. Um, okay. So a lot of things happen

[00:24:24] immediately. You're great. You're, you're given the choice about Ainsley. Um, and, uh, you choose to

[00:24:31] let Ainsley in, which, which turns out to be a good thing. I can't remember. I believe you were,

[00:24:38] uh, were you somebody who you genuinely were just voting yes, or you thought that this was a

[00:24:43] ploy and that you're going to get something. I was telling the other house guests that like,

[00:24:47] I just had too big of a heart to say, no, I was like, it's their dream, whatever. In my heart of

[00:24:52] hearts, I instantly, where my head went was there's going to be an advantage or we're really

[00:24:59] going to let the, like, we're going to let this lady in and she's going to be the rebirth of

[00:25:03] America's player where America is voting week to week to decide what it is that she's going to do.

[00:25:10] And it's going to be worked through some kind of algorithm AI, and it's going to choose the most

[00:25:14] optimal decision for her. And so my theory was, okay, Ainsley is in the show. I'm going to watch

[00:25:21] her like a hawk and see what decision she's making and who it benefits. And then that's going to give me

[00:25:25] an idea of what America is seeing and thinking. That was where my head went at first.

[00:25:31] Yeah. I mean, I have to imagine that like, there's no way you think we're actually in

[00:25:36] control of whether a player comes into the house or not. Like, they're not going to leave that in

[00:25:39] our hands for real. Especially if it's not Paul, you know, like season 19, they're like,

[00:25:45] $25,000. You can answer it. And I'm like, ah, but I really did think that that actress,

[00:25:52] if we got the votes, I was like, surely she comes in. And then my boy Joseph thought she was cute

[00:25:57] and revealed that later in the season, I would have been playing like long ball trying to make

[00:26:02] that happen for my dog. But yeah, disappointed that she wasn't even at the wrap party. Like,

[00:26:07] she just turned her back on the big brother community. If you can, if you can believe that,

[00:26:11] man, she just took her check and left, huh? Disgusting.

[00:26:15] Uh, then you compete in the, uh, the upgrade challenge, uh, which you end up winning. Um,

[00:26:24] and you get, uh, an incredibly powerful power, the deep fake HOH, uh, great way to start the season.

[00:26:32] Totally broken, by the way, that was my first thought they're explaining the rules and in my

[00:26:38] head, I was like, yo, Twitter is pissed right now. That's crazy. This is insane levels of power.

[00:26:46] Um, that room shifting back and forth is way more dramatic and aggressive than you can ever picture.

[00:26:53] Like whenever I left this, like the, whatever building it is that like infrastructure, they had

[00:27:02] to like, hold on to me. Cause my legs were so gone from like having to readjust to the shifting back and

[00:27:07] forth. It was crazy. Um, I win this power and my first thought is no chance. I'm using this unless

[00:27:15] I am just terrible at the game because in my head, I'm like, I can use this as a tool to solidify bonds,

[00:27:23] show people that they can trust me. And then, um, at the end of the game, I can whip it out and be

[00:27:29] like, yeah, I was actually the guy who won the upgrade and I didn't need to use it. Like, those are

[00:27:32] my first thoughts. Uh, once I got that power, just because it did feel incredibly OP.

[00:27:39] Very Tyler of you to reveal it in your final speech.

[00:27:44] I just thought that was sick. You know, some, uh, some boogie that was, that was the initial

[00:27:48] with the cootie tie, you know, like, and in the call out or this is flashing forward, but like,

[00:27:54] I say that as Angela is trying to cook me for, she's like, you're a fan. You totally would have

[00:27:58] used it. I was like, all right, we want to talk about being a fan. I was going to do a season seven

[00:28:03] boogie, like whatever crickets. And I look around, I was like, yeah, none of you have a Paramount plus

[00:28:07] subscription. Awesome. I just made my situation worse. Um, so, uh, so you have this power, you're

[00:28:15] ingratiating yourself. Well, you're being invited into alliances. Um, you are cozying up to the HOH

[00:28:22] who seems to like you a lot. Uh, and this is really like, I mean, in many ways, the beginning

[00:28:29] and the end of your game, uh, that you go to Angela and you make a final two with her and you tell her

[00:28:37] about the power. She, at this point, I'm not kidding, is the most well-liked person in the house.

[00:28:46] From my perspective, people were so happy for her. They're jumping up and down post win. And

[00:28:52] like, obviously there's some strategy there, but in my head, I was like the greater majority of the

[00:28:56] house loves her. She's talking to me and she's like, she doesn't want to form an alliance, but

[00:29:02] she wants to work with the majority, which is a weird decision. But I recognize I had no say

[00:29:09] in the formation of this, like majority. She's just informing me. And so my theory is

[00:29:16] that, um, I'm at the bottom of this. I might as well just jump out of the side of the road here.

[00:29:24] I, I feel very insecure as a have not. I feel like I really, that was a miscalculation being a have not,

[00:29:29] um, just because I didn't get to be a part of the conversations downstairs. Um, and so I'm feeling

[00:29:35] deeply insecure, even as we're having a conversation, I'm like, if it there's, you know,

[00:29:41] there was eight of us, we need five people to vote yes. In order for someone to get voted in,

[00:29:47] that means there's up to like four suspects that it could be. And we know that it's a physical

[00:29:54] competition. So I feel like that's shrinking the number. And so as we're talking about it,

[00:29:59] I get in my head that if she thinks that I have the power and I keep that from her this early on,

[00:30:06] she might use that as a reason, because at this point, no one has like properly done something

[00:30:11] that deserves to be exiled. And so I share with her that I have the upgrade as a leap of faith

[00:30:17] to save my own ass and then, or, but sorry, um, I don't know if we're allowed to curse.

[00:30:23] Uh, and then it's like a situation where I'm saving my own, but I'm drawing, I'm like pouring concrete

[00:30:30] on our relationship. And then I'm secure. I'm soothing her feelings because she is freaking out.

[00:30:36] Deer's deer in the headlights. Like I've ruined my game. It's over like all this stuff. Like you can

[00:30:42] just feel the insecurity of winning the first HOH deeply biting into Angela's game. And so I'm like,

[00:30:48] if I can offer emotional support as well as like material goods on why you should work with me,

[00:30:54] there's no logical reason why she should never trust me again. And honestly, forming the BB guns,

[00:31:00] I would have been like 70% loyal to her until it was an inconvenience for me. So like,

[00:31:07] Oh, as far as my final twos go, that was one of the more serious ones that I was invested in.

[00:31:13] And it just blows up in my face instantly.

[00:31:17] Yeah. Uh, honestly, I think the logic there isn't, isn't bad. I mean, uh, I think one of the

[00:31:24] bigger things for me was that like this whole notion of like, Oh, well, two people are going to

[00:31:29] secretly get a power was like, they're going to figure it out. It's not going to be hard to figure

[00:31:34] out who, who has it. Uh, because all you need to do is start asking questions and the people who

[00:31:40] played in the downgrade comp will be able to very accurately describe what it is. Uh, so you'll

[00:31:47] quickly determine who was playing in the upgrade comp. And then from there, it's not hard. Um,

[00:31:51] but for some reason that never happened. In fact, it was almost the opposite where like very often

[00:31:58] people were assuming that two people from the same group must have powers. And I was like, what are

[00:32:04] you, how are you not doing any logical deduction on this whatsoever? Can, can you explain this to

[00:32:09] me, Quinn? Why was this not immediately outed? It was, do you know who did out me? Officer Kenny.

[00:32:16] He told me to my base and goes, yeah, well, Quinn's got the power. And I was like, me?

[00:32:21] No way, man. I think it's Lisa. Like, um, it was crazy. The lack of information seeking people

[00:32:28] were doing. And then some context, like behind the scenes, we were given the rules to both

[00:32:33] competitions beforehand. So you could vaguely lie about your experience with it, but people just

[00:32:40] weren't investigating to which to me, after Angela blows up that information and I share with chemo,

[00:32:48] I'm like, okay, I've told my two people, no one's really doing too much investigative,

[00:32:52] like journalism outside of maybe Tucker right now. And he he's convinced it's Joseph and Lisa. Um,

[00:32:59] and so my theory is we'll just let it die with Lisa. And then we're good. Like, this is crazy. No

[00:33:05] one's asking like real hard hitting questions. Um, yeah, it was wild that no one was doing like

[00:33:11] some hardcore investigation, but I think that that's because they feared the consequences of,

[00:33:17] all right, now you figured out who the boogeyman is. Now you're enemy number one.

[00:33:23] Yeah. Don't be the one like poking the bear, especially when the power they, they didn't know

[00:33:27] what the power was though. Right. So like if they didn't even know how powerful it was.

[00:33:32] Yeah. Uh, the, I, one of the early suspicions was so Chelsea and Cedric lost their ability to vote.

[00:33:38] Yep. And so then Tucker brings up that it, maybe it's an extra vote and I jump on this like a grenade.

[00:33:46] I was like, yeah, that's probably it. You solved it. Yeah. You got it, man. You've guessed that it's

[00:33:51] a million. Hey, we never touched the veto. We, they never touched the veto. I was like, are you drunk?

[00:33:57] I was like, I was like, Kenny, what are you talking about? They touch the veto all the time,

[00:34:02] man? Like, what are you talking about brother? But yeah. Yes. Okay. So Angela final two,

[00:34:09] she knows about the power, uh, you've made this Alliance. Um, and this is when the feeds kick in

[00:34:15] day three, uh, basically, unless there's anything else that was from like the first two days that you

[00:34:20] think was, is valuable that we missed. I am getting closer and closer with Angela and what that looks

[00:34:26] like naturally the split of the house was the move in groups. That barrier felt insurmountable.

[00:34:35] Like it was crazy. The split there and players like Lisa, um, would identify when it was all move

[00:34:44] in group one in the kitchen. And she's like, Oh, look at us. We're in this together. And Tucker's

[00:34:49] in there too. And I'm like, Hey man, maybe don't draw these lines in the sand. Um, but I am making

[00:34:56] a point to try to like break down the barriers off the rip. Rubina is so scary to me because she gives

[00:35:04] off like, and she's not like this afterwards, but I think that she was, she's such a talkative person.

[00:35:10] She was so well liked at the start. I'm like, this girl is a popular girl. She probably would have

[00:35:14] bullied me in middle school. Oh no. Like she is too cool. I, there's no way I'm going to be able to

[00:35:20] like get close with her. Um, Matt and I are becoming boys like, um, before the feed start,

[00:35:28] we are outside. It's me, Tucker, Thamarin and, uh, Joseph slides through too. We're playing pool outside.

[00:35:36] It is so hot. We're getting sunburned. And I'm like looking at Matt and I'm like, I'm here to spread

[00:35:42] negativity. I, I am not here for a positive platform. I'm going to call out every person

[00:35:47] I've ever been disrespected by in life. And so me and Matt are getting worked up, yelling at the

[00:35:53] cameras, threatening people being like, uh, you want to make something of yourself? Try to get like us.

[00:35:59] We're going crazy. And so I feel like super close with Matt. Um, there's this conversation. I don't

[00:36:07] what day specifically this happens, but it's me, Angela, chemo, T core and Leah in the bathroom.

[00:36:16] And no game talk has been spoken. And Leah just goes, I like this. This is pre HOH by the way,

[00:36:24] in my head. I was like, thank God someone thinks we're cool. Thank goodness. Um, so when Angela wins

[00:36:29] HOH, I'm under the assumption that this is going to be the group that forms like Leah has started

[00:36:35] the groundwork. She's one of the most well-liked people in the house. She's really close with

[00:36:39] Angela. I'm really close with Angela. Chemo has no reason to not trust like Leah. Um, and it's like,

[00:36:46] this is going to work out. And then Angela just ignores it. And it feels like we can't circle back

[00:36:52] to this. Like what are we doing right now? Um, and so yeah, going into like post sharing my power,

[00:37:00] I have a great relationship with Matt and his side of the house, which is like McKenzie. Um,

[00:37:05] and then I also am building connections with the other side and chemo and T core. And so yeah,

[00:37:11] that's going into Angela's meltdown. Hmm. Yes. Angela's meltdown, the Pentagon, uh, things start,

[00:37:20] start brewing here. Um, the, I mean, geez, the, uh, the Angela thing, uh, was wild. Um,

[00:37:29] I don't know if, uh, you've had a chance to, to check out any of the, uh, the podcasts. Um,

[00:37:36] but not the podcast. I watched the episode her just saying in bed is crazy.

[00:37:45] Well, I, so basically I started the update and as I started the update,

[00:37:53] Angela's walking down the stairs and I'm like, hold on guys. I'm sorry. Angela's doing something.

[00:38:00] That's iconic that your reaction was caught on camera.

[00:38:03] I was literally just like, this is wild. She's doing something with her eyes. Like

[00:38:10] bro, that was, I, you could have given me a million. I understand big brother,

[00:38:17] expect the unexpected. That's not what that means. You, no one could have ever predicted

[00:38:22] that Angela was going to whip out a bazooka towards her own game and aim it on the floor

[00:38:28] and just shoot it. It made no sense. And when Joseph and I went up to her room the night before,

[00:38:36] I thought we were superheroes. You know, Angela is crying dude, that her game is over. It's,

[00:38:44] this is terrible. The collective is born like on the, the collective is born on the bones of like a

[00:38:51] fallen, a power structure and working with the majority. We bring people together that like

[00:38:56] Angela said that she wants to work with, but also we want to work with. Like I'm being told about it.

[00:39:02] I get the green light chemo and T car T core are invited. This is great. We go up and we tell her

[00:39:09] and she doesn't buy it. And I discovered she doesn't buy it immediately. I thought that like,

[00:39:15] I really believed her when she said it was a lack of sleep thing. I was like, this woman is having

[00:39:20] a mental health crisis in front of us. Like we have to be sympathetic. This is crazy. She instantly

[00:39:28] is like the collective is going after me wild that we would ever tell her the name of the organization

[00:39:32] dead set on her like eviction crazy. Um, and so when she is calling us out in my head, I was like,

[00:39:41] so what did I just attach my wagon to honestly is the, the crux of like my reaction is just,

[00:39:48] I can't believe anyone would do this to their game. It makes no sense. I didn't see the strategic

[00:39:54] backing. I thought I was like copium trying to be like, maybe she saw survivor 46 with Liz Wilcox.

[00:40:03] And she's like, I'm going to tank my game on purpose, like socially. So then people carry me to

[00:40:08] the end. And then I reveal that it was all intentional. Like I was trying to convince myself.

[00:40:13] Um, and this also this call out post drives a dagger into the relationship between Matt and I,

[00:40:22] because at this point, Matt is inviting me into this thing with Chelsea, MJ and Leah. And we're

[00:40:28] meeting in the like storage room. We're talking about like all this stuff. And in my head, I was like,

[00:40:33] I'm so sick at this game. Everyone wants to work with me. This is perfect. I'm going to be a double

[00:40:39] agent for my final two. That's the HOH. I'm informing Angela of the things Matt is saying

[00:40:45] with the idea of that's right. You can count on me, girl. We're in this together.

[00:40:51] I immediately recognize that it sends her spiraling. And so now I recognize that my responsibility in this

[00:40:57] final two is not strategic. It is not physical. It is emotional. I just have to keep Angela above

[00:41:07] water mentally. And that is a task for anyone, but like, yeah, it stabs this relationship in the back

[00:41:14] because, um, she says that he threatened her and is like, you know, she felt very threatened. And then

[00:41:22] he got in her face, like all this stuff. And in my head, I'm like, I am not going to align with someone

[00:41:27] who is doing that to anyone, but specifically women. Like I can't do that. And so I like iced out Matt

[00:41:34] for a solid like three days because I was just like, I can't associate with this. This is like,

[00:41:40] dude, you can't do that. As the season goes on, I become more and more aware. It was probably an

[00:41:46] exaggeration. It was probably a misunderstanding of social cues. Oh my God. So it's just,

[00:41:52] absolutely bonkers. Yes. Uh, that's, uh, except for you. Don't talk to me. That was my favorite part.

[00:41:59] Um, uh, low budget movie. That was you. Um, uh, how do you feel about that? Do you feel like you

[00:42:10] have it in you to, to like get a higher budget in the future? I think that, um, if you look at the

[00:42:18] landscape of the cast, maybe I'm not the best actor, you know, I wasn't almost cast on season

[00:42:22] two of stranger things, but low budget movie is extremely disrespectful. Okay. I killed it. I

[00:42:29] thought that I was doing everything in my power. People are going to see that clip and they're

[00:42:33] going to know that I laid it all out on the field. And so when she says I'm low budget, I think that

[00:42:37] there's, it opens the door for exploration. People want to see if it's true, but, uh, low budget's

[00:42:43] crazy. Okay. So, uh, Angela goes off on Matt and, uh, it's clear that this is the woman that holds

[00:42:56] your deepest, darkest secret in the game right now. Um, it doesn't like super go well from there.

[00:43:04] Uh, you do manage to like hold on to Angela for a little bit longer, but, uh, but, but not too much

[00:43:12] longer. Um, but in the meantime, uh, like she's kind of iced out of a lot of the strategy, by the

[00:43:18] way, you talk about like, uh, you approach her, she immediately was down at, like, that's what she

[00:43:21] was doing all week long was that like, she was having conversations in the HOH with people and

[00:43:27] being like, Oh my God, I don't even know what happens when this, and then they'd leave and she'd be like,

[00:43:32] I was doing that on purpose, guys. I'm trying to see, I'm trying to act like I'm upset about this,

[00:43:38] but so, so that they think that I'm like this, uh, what's the strategic like benefit of that?

[00:43:46] Now you're exhausting to work with. I don't get that at all. Like it was wild. It was wild,

[00:43:51] wild to watch. Um, but, uh, you are brought into the Pentagon, which is, uh, I think the,

[00:43:59] the big kind of storyline of week one and the first few weeks of the game, uh, which is,

[00:44:04] of course, the Alliance with Cedric, uh, um, uh, Chelsea, uh, yourself, Brooklyn and Cam. Um,

[00:44:14] and, uh, you, I think like correctly are feeling like, okay, I was brought in as like the fifth

[00:44:23] person in this Alliance. Uh, this is not like a long-term thing for me. Uh, how you handled it

[00:44:29] over the next few weeks is, uh, sort of like a topic of debate for many people, I think. So,

[00:44:35] uh, tell me about your experience with the Pentagon.

[00:44:38] So leading up to Cam walking me into the have not room, the last couple of nights have been

[00:44:46] trash talk central on Cedric with the charge led by Tucker. Tucker is not vibing with Cedric

[00:44:55] at all. And he's like, everything he's accusing Cedric of is what I'm doing by the way. And so

[00:45:02] I'm just sitting there agreeing. I'm like, yeah, everything we say is getting like bled back to

[00:45:07] Angela straight from Cedric's mouth. Yup. Absolutely. We can't trust that guy, whatever, whatever. So

[00:45:13] when Cam asks me my thoughts on Cedric, as I'm being walked into, uh, the have not room,

[00:45:20] I tell him, I mean, I like him socially, but strategically, I don't know where his head is at.

[00:45:25] He opens the door, Cedric's chilling. And I'm like, Oh, Whoa, this is a Whoa. Hey,

[00:45:32] Hey friend, Duncan, Oklahoma, a lot in Oklahoma. Come on. You might say this was your action.

[00:45:42] What context is that from? Awesome. I love that. That's my life. Um, yeah, it was pure panic

[00:45:48] and I'm like, put on a poker face. And so then, um, I'm brought into it and they are describing

[00:45:54] our team, our task force, this squad that is unnamed. They didn't ask me for name considerations,

[00:46:00] but you know, I got to name the collective. So I wasn't too invested on that. Um, they share

[00:46:09] who's in it, Chelsea, Cedric, Thamarin and you Quinn. And I say, I always wanted to work in a group of

[00:46:18] four. Like, I feel like there's a lot of flexibility there. Like I like this idea. And they go, no,

[00:46:24] there's five of us. We'll let you know who the fifth is. And I'm like, all right. Yeah,

[00:46:30] definitely on the bottom for sure. And then they reveal that it's Brooklyn who in my eyes is one of

[00:46:37] the best players of the season by a mile. And so I'm like, yeah, she definitely is going to outrank

[00:46:42] me within 12 seconds of being in this Alliance for sure. And so I get the idea, you know, we're in

[00:46:50] this majority Alliance. Why don't I just flip on these clowns and start the, the campaign now?

[00:46:57] Because I feel if I get outed in front of T core and chemo, who I believe are sentimental players,

[00:47:03] I think that if they find out I was keeping this heavy information from them, uh, that then

[00:47:09] they're going to be pissed and never trust me again. And we already have like the underdogs is

[00:47:14] like something that is like slowly, but surely going to flourish. And so I'm like, now is the time

[00:47:19] cash in on the goodwill of this so that we can build something much stronger once the power flips.

[00:47:24] And then we can use players like Tucker as a weapon against this already existing, like status quo.

[00:47:32] I share it with chemo, um, and T core and chemo sells me out. I don't fully understand the strategic

[00:47:39] framework behind that just because I was cool with Tucker to chemo wanted to work with me. Like I don't

[00:47:48] get, it just made me look sketchy. And I was sharing with T core and chemo, how dastardly I was being

[00:47:54] this whole time, just so that they would trust me. Cause in my perspective, if someone is showing

[00:47:59] you who they really are in the game, then that means they trust you implicitly. And then that is a weapon

[00:48:04] to utilize miscalculation. Um, I also thought that Joseph would appreciate my nefarious nature. Not at all.

[00:48:12] He was sussed out instantly. So I just, my idiotic framework, I thought everyone was going to be like

[00:48:19] me and appreciate that transparency. And so that's why I shared so early on with the visionaries,

[00:48:26] the existence of the Pentagon, because I felt like it was going to take some organized,

[00:48:31] like boots on the ground, like strategy to take out this power structure in a way that benefits all

[00:48:38] of us. I didn't want to leave someone out to dry. And then we, we have casualties of war that were

[00:48:44] unnecessary and it didn't work out for me. Unfortunately, I think that if, if chemo includes

[00:48:50] me in that snitching to Tucker, I think people are saying that what my move was smart, but it didn't

[00:48:56] work out. And so then I'm an idiot, which is fine. And I accept that. Like I would, I fully recognize I

[00:49:01] was being messy. I knew I was flying close to the sign. Like, and honestly, I just have high levels

[00:49:06] of self-efficacy. I believed that even if I do get kind of caught, I'll be able to get through it and

[00:49:14] hope for the best. Like that, that's kind of where my head was at in doing that.

[00:49:18] Yeah. I mean, I think it was, it was very interesting because it felt like the kind of

[00:49:24] strategy that came from knowing the game. And so it felt like a little bit more of like an evolved

[00:49:30] form of the kind of strategy that you'd normally see. Like you recognize I'm at the bottom. So I need

[00:49:35] to like preemptively make sure that I can like be in a power position moving forward. Um, but I think

[00:49:41] that like what we saw happen was that, um, you know, you tell, uh, T-Corps and Kimo about the

[00:49:49] Alliance. Um, and, and I think there is a world where it works. I know that like for us, when we

[00:49:55] were watching, one of the things that we were catching early on, uh, was like, okay, Quinn is

[00:50:00] really good at getting people to like, like him and get on board with him. But then they're like,

[00:50:08] wait, where's Quinn? Why isn't he talking to us anymore? Uh, this feels, this feels sketchy.

[00:50:15] Like he just told us that he's in like a big majority Alliance that's running the game.

[00:50:18] And now like, he's over there talking to them. And is he talking to us right now? Like, uh, like,

[00:50:24] is he sharing those things anymore? Like, is he, has he decided to go in a different direction?

[00:50:28] And I think a similar thing kind of happened, uh, with Leah, uh, which I'm sure we'll get to.

[00:50:34] Um, but, uh, but I don't know if this was just like, there were too many, uh, pots on the stove,

[00:50:42] uh, to maintain them all. Or if this was something that like, uh, with this particular strategy,

[00:50:47] you needed to make sure that you were very carefully monitoring, uh, these people,

[00:50:51] because I think that ultimately the thing to pay attention to with this is that, uh, if you are

[00:50:58] T-Corps and Kimo and you've been told there's, you know, you're in a thing, but there's a thing

[00:51:03] within the thing. Um, and I'm in that thing. You guys are not in that thing, but don't worry.

[00:51:07] We're going to do something about it later. Um, I mean, if I'm, if I'm them and I'm not them and

[00:51:13] they're not me, but if I'm them, I'm like, well, I'm going to do something about it now.

[00:51:18] I don't want to let you be in this good position. I want to be in the good position.

[00:51:23] And the fact that you're so chill about this makes me uncomfortable.

[00:51:26] Yeah. Yeah. I think that you're definitely right on maintaining relationships is absolutely

[00:51:31] something I struggle with in real life. You know, you have a million and one friends,

[00:51:35] but you're best friends with few. Um, and so it really did feel like I was, you know,

[00:51:40] balancing all these like plates on the like sticks, just trying to keep this above water.

[00:51:45] And so, and in addition to that with the visionaries, the first couple of days I'm going

[00:51:51] out onto the, uh, like going out into the backyard with them and we're chilling on the hammock and

[00:51:57] we're talking and we're strategizing. And then chemo's like, Hey, we shouldn't hang out so much

[00:52:02] because people are going to think that we're working together. And so I go, you're a genius.

[00:52:07] We have a final three and we're actually loyal to each other because I felt like I was really

[00:52:11] filling their bucket emotionally, like sharing, like, I see your value. I know you don't feel

[00:52:16] appreciated, but I know that you're a good player and you deserve respect. Like I really thought I was

[00:52:21] working overtime with them. And so I go, okay, good idea. We should separate. And then he is

[00:52:27] attached at the hip with T core. And I'm like, Oh, you didn't want to hang out with me. I get it.

[00:52:34] Awesome. Love that for me. And so, yeah, I think that that was a struggle for me in the game is like,

[00:52:39] I had so many options that it, I didn't know how to invest in all of them. Like with Lisa,

[00:52:46] when she wanted, when she formed that alliance with me, her Leah T core, and then an unnamed

[00:52:52] person who ended up being cam by the way, which is crazy. Um, I like at one point I was like,

[00:52:59] I need a cigarette, dude. I was like, this is, Oh my gosh, this is hard to keep up. Like, um,

[00:53:05] I never thought that that would be the problem to have in big brother, but yeah, too many friends,

[00:53:11] not enough allies, I guess. Hmm. Well, uh, week one kind of, you know, uh, Matt goes on the block,

[00:53:19] Matt ends up going home. Um, it's relatively straightforward from that point. There's

[00:53:24] obviously a lot of other stuff going on. Uh, interesting, uh, bit from the stock watch in

[00:53:29] week one, uh, top three players on the board, Chelsea, number one cam, number two, you number three.

[00:53:39] Woo. That's what I'm talking about. Stop the count. Stop the count. Don't record stock watches

[00:53:46] after this. We did it, Joe. We were doing so well. No, I was eating. And I think literally the reason

[00:53:56] why I was so good early on is because I was so insecure. I was like, I've got to cook every

[00:54:02] second. Like I have to do this. Um, before Matt, before the AI arena, I felt like the sickest player.

[00:54:09] I sit down with him and I, we had like a heart to heart an hour before we're talking about toxic

[00:54:15] masculinity. You know, my eyes are watering. He's such a good guy. Like he's, you know,

[00:54:20] so handsome and he's misjudged for it all the time. Uh, but at his core, he is such a good person.

[00:54:27] So we have this conversation. We heal like the beginning stages of our relationship just in

[00:54:33] case he stays. And then before the AI arena, I walk up to him and I say, Hey,

[00:54:38] I had a dream that, um, the like AI arena was this puzzle where, and think like season 17,

[00:54:47] where it's like, they put the pieces on the board and they have to hit the button to keep the magnets

[00:54:52] magnetized. And so I explained to him and in my head, there is no shot that, that this is what

[00:54:58] the AI arena is going to be. But I wanted to share with him, Hey, this is, you know, I,

[00:55:04] this is my dream that I had, and this is going to be the competition. This is how you win it.

[00:55:08] And so I like blueprint how to win this one super specific competition just in case he wins the AI

[00:55:15] arena going into next week. He's like, well, Quinn, he's a superstitious guy. He had this dream and he

[00:55:21] shared that knowledge with me. Maybe I can trust him. Like I was trying to hedge my bets, but Matt

[00:55:27] going home was great for me because it meant no one was targeting Angela so directly now.

[00:55:33] Yeah. And, uh, I think we, we obviously need to talk about the AI arena itself because that I

[00:55:39] think dramatically changed the, uh, the strategy and the sort of trajectory of the game. Um, when you

[00:55:47] heard about the AI arena, what was your thought process? Did it affect how you thought you were

[00:55:54] going to play? Did, did you, when did you feel like, Oh, this is really impacting the way that I

[00:55:58] think I would have played. I think that my initial reaction was, okay, this prioritizes the comp beasts

[00:56:05] of the season. You know, now all of a sudden they're given another opportunity to bypass the backdoor

[00:56:12] option. And it wasn't until week four that it mattered because week going into week three, I'm sitting

[00:56:21] spicy. Like it's fine. No one's going after me other than Kenny, like, okay. Um, and maybe McKenzie

[00:56:28] for sure. McKenzie, but, um, to me, it wasn't that big of a deal until I needed people out like

[00:56:36] Tucker. And so it's like the way it impacted my game was you can't even like backdoor people

[00:56:42] and then getting people like putting someone in a coffin, nailing it. And then like piling dirt on top

[00:56:50] of them is very hard for a player like me, who I can come up with strategic reasons for someone to

[00:56:56] go. And I can speak very convincingly, especially when I had so much influence or quinfluence at the

[00:57:02] start of the game. But now that the AI arena exists, those conversations are like being halted because

[00:57:09] everyone is scared. Well, what if that person wins the AI arena and you've put all of this,

[00:57:13] all of this information out there of why they should go. Now you have an enemy. And so the biggest

[00:57:19] impact for me was I didn't get to, you know, fluff my feathers as much as I wanted to early game

[00:57:24] where it's like, I could bury players like McKenzie, Tucker and, uh, Matt, because it's like,

[00:57:31] they're such obvious targets. And if they find themselves on the block eviction night,

[00:57:34] I have a million and one arguments for why they should go. I never got to do that. So that was

[00:57:39] a difficult element of the game. Um, it was also very funny as we're getting votes for chemo to

[00:57:45] stay. I explained to Rubina, if we just get like two more votes, the rest of the house will follow

[00:57:52] and keep him. And she looks at me confused. And she says, house vote, there is no house vote.

[00:57:59] And I'm like, um, I don't know if you've ever seen the show, but odds are the house votes together

[00:58:06] and gets people out. And then she was right. The whole season she ended up being right. And so

[00:58:11] I look like an idiot thinking that like, Oh, surely the house will follow where the rest of

[00:58:17] everyone else is going and send these people packing. I think that those were the biggest

[00:58:21] impacts is it prioritized copies, removed the backdoor option and like impeded my ability to

[00:58:28] bury people. Yeah. And then, you know, I think that while it still was far from perfect, uh, the

[00:58:34] kinds of competitions on your season, something that we've been talking about for a while, uh, were

[00:58:40] improved in terms of like, uh, uh, equity, um, and the ability for, uh, different kinds of players

[00:58:48] to win them, especially in the first, uh, half or so of the season, uh, despite Tucker's, uh, dominance

[00:58:54] in the later McKenzie's. Um, so, uh, but like it's, it's weird that in a season where like three people

[00:59:02] won a billion competitions in Tucker, uh, Chelsea and McKenzie, uh, it was still like the most equitable

[00:59:07] season in years, which I'm going to speak selfishly. What the heck? I was so excited for

[00:59:15] these physical competitions that require like a quickness in my head. I was like, yo, even the

[00:59:20] mental comps require physicality. And then I can maybe beat out all these like whiz kids that I'm

[00:59:27] locked in this house with. And then all these cops are equitable. And I'm sitting there like, great.

[00:59:32] It's just exposing how bad of a competitor I am. Meanwhile, McKenzie Tucker, and even Cedric,

[00:59:37] Cedric was sick, nasty too. Like, oh my God. So it was awesome. But being on the season, I was like,

[00:59:44] man, where are these physical comps at? I'm ready to compete, you know?

[00:59:48] Mm-hmm. Um, okay. Well, we head into week two. Uh, Matt is gone. Chelsea wins the HOH. Um,

[00:59:57] how did you feel about that? Given that Chelsea was in the Pentagon, I know you wanted to go against

[01:00:02] the Pentagon at some point, but I have to imagine that you feel like this is probably pretty good

[01:00:06] as long as she doesn't take out one of my numbers. Um, week two was it like felt like

[01:00:13] Schrodinger's Alliance. We had no idea if the collective was real or not because Angela like

[01:00:19] exposed it instantly. And so when Chelsea won power, we were all kind of at the edge of our seats where

[01:00:24] it's like, okay, I mean, it would benefit Chelsea to lean into the collective and Pentagon.

[01:00:32] So let's hope that she does it. And then, um, in terms of like targeting the Pentagon,

[01:00:37] I wasn't too nervous about it because T core was so close with Chelsea, like so transparently

[01:00:43] interested in working with her that I was like, no shot. Like T core is going to try to mess up this,

[01:00:50] uh, Alliance right now because there were all invested or coin vested in this success. I'm

[01:00:56] going to stop with Quinn funds. Um, but it's like, you know, we're all invested in this. It all benefits

[01:01:01] us. Let's see what happens. And then there were obvious targets, which I feel like solidified that

[01:01:06] bond of putting up Angela Kenison and then, um, Tuxworth, you know, it like to me made sense

[01:01:13] for the collective to come together. And when it did, I was just thinking good, like all that is

[01:01:19] great and holy because, you know, I came up with the name collective when I was in eighth grade or

[01:01:23] something like that. Like, thank goodness this Alliance stuck. Otherwise I'd be devastated.

[01:01:29] Yeah. This was also when the, uh, the era of volunteering for the block really came into play

[01:01:35] as Angela basically volunteers, Kenny volunteers, Tucker, then later volunteers. Um, and then those

[01:01:43] same three people will be basically volunteering for the next like three weeks. Um, how did you feel

[01:01:51] about that? Absolutely unhinged and dumb. Whenever Tucker was like, you got to volunteer for the block to,

[01:01:59] you know, build your resume. I was like, what show are you watching? Uh, my goal is to not touch the

[01:02:04] resume ever or never touched the block ever. Um, it shows courage. You know, I think that he was

[01:02:10] emboldened by like the AI arena, but people volunteering for the block. I was not interested in that business.

[01:02:18] I wanted no smoke. I'm a coward. Um, absolutely not trying to be on the block at all, but it made

[01:02:25] everyone else's life way easier by having those people interested in being on the block and

[01:02:30] potentially going home. Yep. Well, uh, this week is, is somewhat simple. So basically, you know,

[01:02:38] Chelsea takes these volunteers, but she wants Lisa out. She was also considering Leah pretty heavily at

[01:02:44] this point. Um, she's concerned about the cam Leah connection, uh, early on. Um, she's ranting to the

[01:02:51] cameras about, uh, cam's feet and his flirting with Leah. Um, and, uh, and, and you are connecting

[01:03:00] with Leah at this point as well. Uh, you make that final two with her in the backyard, which you took

[01:03:07] from, I think my perspective and for many people's perspective seem to think is good for like the next

[01:03:12] two months. Uh, despite like almost the next day, her being like, Oh, I actually hate Quinn.

[01:03:18] Yeah. Yeah. Um, I like to me, it felt like such a good idea, um, to form this. And then as,

[01:03:27] after I form it, I recognize she's just way closer to cam and I, I'm not a priority at all. So that's

[01:03:34] why I like take my foot off the gas, like strategically where I'm not as like bold. I feel like in giving

[01:03:40] information just because I felt like she was just going to give it out. And I was so scared that she

[01:03:45] would tell cam little did I know that she was like hating my guts and like, you know, whatever.

[01:03:50] Um, and I knew later on into the season that she would offer me up on the block, but it was like

[01:03:56] this interesting dynamic where I, you know, I have a big crush on her and I'm like, whatever people

[01:04:02] like felt bad for me whenever she would sell me out. And so then in my head, I was like, Leah,

[01:04:07] stop selling me out because it's making people mad at you. Like just stop, please early game,

[01:04:13] very dangerous. But luckily I had surrounded myself with like these really good alliances, but

[01:04:17] yeah, what an interesting dynamic. I really felt like, uh, it was mutually beneficial for both of

[01:04:22] us to work together. And so to find out that it wasn't working out strategically so early on,

[01:04:27] it was like disappointing. Yeah. Well, I, I think it was another case of like, you know,

[01:04:32] you had that big talk that night. Um, and then the next day, it wasn't really the next day that she

[01:04:40] like flipped. It was the next, it was in the next week when Cedric was HOH. Um, but, uh, but like it,

[01:04:46] the, the, your foot really was taken off the gas in terms of like maintaining that relationship

[01:04:51] because I, it, I think the next day is when it was like, oh, by the way, everyone, it's Leah and

[01:04:56] Cam, they're the thing. Um, and that, as you seem to imply, like was sort of like scared you off a

[01:05:03] little bit, like, oh, well, how are we going to have a secret final two if they're going to end up

[01:05:06] in a showmance, which I think is like a very fair assumption. You have to be very careful about

[01:05:10] showmances. Obviously it doesn't become a showmance. Um, but I think that the, the backing

[01:05:16] away makes her a little skeptical, like, oh, was that just like a one-time thing is, am I being

[01:05:23] played? And then later when Cedric is HOH and the whole power stuff comes out and then she has a

[01:05:28] conversation with Cam, she's like, oh, this guy's a snake and he's playing me. Um, and, and listen,

[01:05:35] there's a whole plot line there of the amount of times we were like, when is anybody gonna,

[01:05:42] because literally everyone in this house knows that she's dogging Quinn the game, like constantly,

[01:05:47] and nobody's telling him. Fill me in guys. Help me, help me out, please. Just for a second.

[01:05:56] You know, um, I've seen the memes where it's like Kimo and Tico are like, we should tell Quinn.

[01:06:01] And then it's smash cuts to three weeks later. And they're like, we should tell Quinn. I don't know.

[01:06:06] I, oh my goodness. I knew that I honestly, and I felt a lot of guilt. Like that was another reason

[01:06:12] why I kind of took my foot off the gas was, um, me getting exposed as such a big liar in my head.

[01:06:19] I was like, I probably should have told her. I probably should have told Joseph. I probably

[01:06:23] should have told a lot of people about my upgrade, but my like trauma in informing Angela. And then my

[01:06:31] uncertainty with, you know, Joseph was obviously a super fan. And so I'm like, if I tell this guy,

[01:06:38] he's going to tell everyone. So like, what are we talking about? And then if I tell Leah,

[01:06:41] she might tell Cam and then Cam tells the Pentagon. Now I'm the asshole. Little did I know that Kimo of

[01:06:47] all people is going to confirm to Tucker that I have this power. It was like unbelievable.

[01:06:56] Listen, uh, this was very much the season of crushes. Um, and, uh, and at the time, uh,

[01:07:05] we were like, what in the world is Kimo doing? And then like the next day he has a conversation

[01:07:10] with Tico about like, yeah, I've got a crush on Tucker. I think it's screwing with my game.

[01:07:14] And it's like, Oh no, it's so cute. Who can blame them? Tucker is such a cool,

[01:07:20] handsome, thoughtful guy. I get it, but include me in your plans. Kimo, like, please. I, oh my gosh.

[01:07:28] It was, it was wild. That whole scenario was very, very wild. Um, and if my game has to tank

[01:07:35] in the name of love, I'll take it. So, okay. So what's happening is Chelsea, but before all that

[01:07:45] happens, Chelsea's the HOH, uh, she is thinking about taking out Leah because of how close she is

[01:07:51] with Cam. Um, but, uh, kudos to Mackenzie here, uh, and Leah, they both get in there,

[01:07:57] but Mackenzie in particular really cozies up to Chelsea. It reveals her own power. Um, and, uh,

[01:08:04] and like gets Chelsea on board with not even bothering to target her because, you know, a, if you do,

[01:08:10] I'll be able to just use my power and B, I'm trusting you with this information. Chelsea then

[01:08:15] backs away from the idea of using her, uh, and Leah as pawns, and then, then away from, you know,

[01:08:20] targeting them at all, uh, and onto targeting Lisa gets the volunteering from, uh, from Tucker and Kenny

[01:08:28] and Angela to some degree. Uh, she also gets, uh, there's, there's, I don't know how much you know

[01:08:34] about this, but there's a whole segment of time right before the veto ceremony. Um, when, uh, I

[01:08:40] think it was right before the veto ceremony or, uh, yeah, right before the veto ceremony where it

[01:08:44] almost wasn't Tucker. Um, because, uh, Leah and Mackenzie were pushing hard that she should put up

[01:08:53] somebody like Cam, um, like get Cam to volunteer. And, and we were like, oh, Chelsea's just humoring

[01:08:59] them. But then they call Cam in and he's like, nah, I don't want to do that. Um, but they keep

[01:09:06] pushing and it's Mackenzie and Leah doing this, not even Chelsea pushing that hard. And Cam eventually

[01:09:11] is like, I guess if you need me to, and we're like, okay, this is like this whole charade,

[01:09:15] obviously it's not going to happen. Then Mackenzie and, and Leah leave. And she's like,

[01:09:21] so you're really okay with this? And he's like, if I have to, and I'm like, wait, no, wait, what? No,

[01:09:25] you're not actually doing that. Um, and then later she brings it to Cedric and like, oh,

[01:09:30] Cedric's going to talk her out of it. And Cedric is like, oh yeah, I don't know. I mean,

[01:09:36] yeah, I guess you could do me instead of Cam if you need that.

[01:09:39] That's what I, that's what I, that was my relationship with it. I heard after the fact

[01:09:43] that Leah, you know, showmance, whatever, you know, whatever is like actually Cam should go

[01:09:49] iconic, hilarious. But then my perspective was, I heard that Cedric was going to be upon,

[01:09:55] and I was looking at him. I was like, don't do that. If you're being put on the block as a pawn,

[01:10:01] that shows that you're expendable. You deserve better. I'm like trying to talk them off the

[01:10:05] edge. Like, come here, buddy. No, no, don't, don't jump. Don't be a hero. Get over here.

[01:10:12] Which is very ironic considering what happens later.

[01:10:14] I know, I know.

[01:10:19] Um, so, uh, so yeah, we went, the feeds went down for that and we were like, oh my God,

[01:10:24] this could come back. It could be Cedric. It could be Cam. Uh, it ends up, it's just going

[01:10:29] to be Angela, Lisa and Tucker on the block. Uh, at the end of the week, uh, Tucker wins the, uh,

[01:10:36] the, uh, the AI arena. Uh, he really likes puzzles. Um, and, uh, Lisa's gone. He's, uh,

[01:10:48] he takes out his nemesis. Yeah. Um, some like framework behind that. There was a solid

[01:10:55] 18 minutes where Lisa was going to stay and Angela was going. And that was because Angela yelled at me,

[01:11:04] um, which I did want to get in front of everyone and say, I had no idea that when Angela was talking

[01:11:10] about like, that's the group. I didn't even for a second think that it was like built around like a

[01:11:16] race assumption. And so what, when I'm in the DR talking about, I was scheming in that like

[01:11:22] argument where Angela is like yelling at me and she's like, you killed me. Like all this stuff.

[01:11:27] Um, I am like deescalating. And I was like, that was not my intention. That is not what I did.

[01:11:33] And that is not like, whatever I'm like deescalating, deescalating. And I was like,

[01:11:36] I was not scheming. I was not doing anything like that. As far as I understood, the reason why she was

[01:11:41] upset was that I told people what she said behind her back, which was me trying to bury her so that

[01:11:48] she would go home with the knowledge of my upgrade. And then Lisa is always going to be a target next

[01:11:53] week. And so as she's like yelling at me, um, I had no idea that it was like built around race

[01:12:02] until T core shared that. And then even then T core was not like convinced that Angela was a racist

[01:12:09] and she's like trying to articulate this. And then she just gets interrupted, which of course

[01:12:12] that happens, um, in those very important conversations. Uh, but yeah, that's like,

[01:12:17] I do want to get in front of that because I know a lot of people were worried that I was

[01:12:22] throwing out like Kyle allegations onto someone. I would not do that without proper knowledge.

[01:12:28] And if I did, it wouldn't be for game reasons. It would be for like, you know, life reasons.

[01:12:34] Um, and so after Angela yells at me, the whole backyard forms around me and they're like,

[01:12:40] don't worry, Quinn, that's unacceptable. And she's gone. Then Lisa is herself. And then they are like,

[01:12:47] Oh my God, I can't do this. She's like tossing like flash blank banging, like glitter in our face.

[01:12:54] She's like cooking up stuff that nobody wants, like instantly, instantly ruins it. And I'm just like,

[01:13:01] Lisa, all you had to do was just get in your hobbit hole and hide. And I think that you would

[01:13:05] have been fine, but that's not how it was.

[01:13:07] She also definitely had the power.

[01:13:09] Yeah.

[01:13:10] Everyone could read it on her face.

[01:13:12] I know. And then the best part is like, um, there's like this argument going on. And then

[01:13:18] she goes, she mentions the power again. And so then I am, you know, a wounded bird telling people

[01:13:25] like, and then Lisa comes out and she's talking about the upgrade again. So it's like, she definitely

[01:13:29] has it. Like we all agree on this. And then chemo confirms with Tucker and it's just,

[01:13:37] Oh my goodness. Devastation.

[01:13:39] Yeah. So I, I think it's the end of this week that, uh, because it's after the blow up with

[01:13:45] Angela, that Angela goes to Tucker. And I think this is in the episode that she's like, Hey,

[01:13:51] just, you know, uh, like Quinn and I, I, were you right there? I think you might've been

[01:13:57] right there. Yeah. And that's when she was like, his personal attacks. I'm like,

[01:14:02] what up?

[01:14:03] She tells Tucker that you have the power. Tucker does not believe it. Uh, like firmly does not

[01:14:11] believe it. Um, and is basically telling chemo, like, can you believe what Angela is trying

[01:14:17] to tell me? Um, and chemo's like, Oh no, yeah, that's, that's true. He's, he's got the power.

[01:14:24] Why was Angela a better ally chemo than me? Like, I don't think like, maybe I just didn't,

[01:14:30] I, you know, apparently I didn't like water the relationship enough and let it flourish.

[01:14:34] So that's my fault, but Angela's crazy. So like, what is this strategic end game on that?

[01:14:39] Like, so I, I, I mean, I haven't talked to chemo. Um, maybe you have, maybe you've asked him this.

[01:14:46] Um, but, uh, I think my assumption at the time was like, okay, chemo is holding this secret.

[01:14:53] Um, and now here's Tucker coming to him, like basically fishing, like in his mind, perhaps

[01:15:01] fishing, like, do you know about this? Um, and is chemo now going to lie for you? Especially if

[01:15:07] Angela's revealing it, you've told Angela, this is probably maybe even going to come out at some

[01:15:12] point. I know that chemo later was feeling like when he said it, he was like, this is good for us.

[01:15:17] This helps us. He will be good for us to have this power. He thought, I think he was doing something

[01:15:22] good there. Uh, but Tucker takes it as like, Oh, that's the no, no, no.

[01:15:29] When, uh, you're an idiot, dude. You're playing this game terribly.

[01:15:37] That's awesome. I hate it.

[01:15:39] I hate it.

[01:15:43] Um, so, uh, so this actually, I think gets held for a little while, um, until the following

[01:15:52] week, Cedric is the HOH and, uh, and Kenny, who, by the way, week two, um, you're, you're,

[01:16:01] you're not doing terrible week to you week one. You were seven week two down to a six.

[01:16:06] Okay. Um, not bad. You still have the power. You're still in a bunch of alliances. You had

[01:16:12] that thing with Angela and this power thing is starting to be a little sketchy, but I think by,

[01:16:16] I think we didn't even know that it was outed by the time we rated at that point. So, um,

[01:16:21] right. We certainly couldn't have because, uh, chemo was a seven that week. Um, this is one of

[01:16:26] only two weeks that Chelsea is not the top rated player. Uh, and it's because at this point in time,

[01:16:32] T core and chemo were in a position to really like take off, right? Uh, they had the information

[01:16:40] from you. They were deep in the collective. The Pentagon was not going to be powerful enough to

[01:16:45] overcome them. They had the Tucker connection. They had Rubina, um, and they were socially in a

[01:16:50] really, really good spot. Um, of course things changed after all of the Tucker stuff at the

[01:16:56] following week. Uh, and this really, I think all stems from chemo and we can say it stems from

[01:17:01] chemo telling Tucker, but again, I think he had good intentions. You would also have to definitely

[01:17:05] place some blame, uh, on Tucker for like taking the information, the direction that he did.

[01:17:11] I know, I know because socially like he and I were boys and it was like the underdogs was like this

[01:17:18] natural forming relationship of players who like could benefit each other's games. And then I think

[01:17:24] that he saw red like a bull and it was just like Quinn's a snake. He needs to die for sure by any

[01:17:32] means necessary. Maybe I'll align myself with Cedric who, as far as I understand, they didn't have the

[01:17:37] greatest personal relationship. So I just didn't see the fruits of that move. Basically what happens,

[01:17:44] I think you know this, that like Kenny is like, Hey, I want to get some guys together. Um, and he's

[01:17:52] talking to, he's talking to Cedric cause he has a good relationship with Cedric. Um, they've got that

[01:17:57] like, uh, kind of like police military connection. Um, and, uh, he's talking to Tucker. Um, and he likes

[01:18:04] Tucker, uh, and he really liked Matt. Uh, you know, he's got like a bit of a type. Um, and, uh, and so

[01:18:12] he's trying to get these guys together and he approaches you, um, and he wants to pull you in.

[01:18:17] And then when he goes to Tucker to be like, yeah, Quinn's all about it. Like Quinn wants to work

[01:18:22] with us. He doesn't have any other alliances. Quinn, uh, Tucker's that's the last straw for Tucker.

[01:18:27] He's like, excuse me, the snake Quinn who's lying about his power doesn't have any other alliance.

[01:18:33] He's going to work with us with Kenny. And you got like, no, no, no, no, we're not going to let this

[01:18:38] guy just run around all he wants. Um, and that's when he just blows up the entire spot.

[01:18:44] Bro. When, when Kenny approaches me, by the way, I had just ran 50 laps back and forth. It was so

[01:18:52] hot. I was like dry heaving in the bathroom. And so I went out to the pool to straight up cool my

[01:18:57] body down. So I didn't pass out. Like I was in rough shape. Should have just passed out. Yeah.

[01:19:03] Yeah. Um, I don't have my glasses on. I don't have a microphone. Kenny walks up and he's talking to me

[01:19:10] about forming this alliance in the DR. I like, I was swarming final twos as a bit. Um, and so in the

[01:19:18] DR, I was like, straight up, I'll form a final two with Kenny right now, if you want me to. And

[01:19:22] they're like, we don't know. We're not giving our opinion on that. No. And I was like, all right,

[01:19:27] guys. Okay. Um, so when he forms this with me, it is taking every ounce of strength left in my body

[01:19:34] to not burst out laughing that he wants to work with me now that I'm like seen as a physical,

[01:19:39] like threat, I guess. Um, and so I use this fire line where he's like, I know you don't got a lot

[01:19:45] going on. And I said, yeah, it feels like I'm chasing ghosts. Sick, sick line. And then the next

[01:19:52] day I'm exposed and I look at him and I was like, so was it all smoke and mirrors or what? And I was

[01:19:57] like, why am I using all these good lines on Kenny? Oh my gosh. Kenny, by the way, for three weeks

[01:20:04] received nothing but ones from the panel. Um, the first 20 minutes of his like, you know,

[01:20:12] game of possum where he's like, I don't want to be here. I was like, this guy's in the DR

[01:20:16] comparing himself to Dr. Will. It's talking about how naive us kids are. He is playing us right now.

[01:20:24] Do not. I was like, no, let's keep them. You don't want to be here, buddy. All right. Suffer.

[01:20:29] Come on. Like I'm a fighter. I'm a winner and I'm not going nowhere.

[01:20:33] Oh, get him, Kenny. Oh, that's my guy. Um, okay. So, uh, so that's not great. Um, and, uh,

[01:20:44] and, uh, Tucker of course comes up with this plan. Uh, he puts the, uh, he, he brings together

[01:20:51] like these guys, um, the, uh, man, I called them the, the ball boys, but they were actually

[01:20:57] the something else. Uh, the ball shakers or the shaker. There was the shakers and the ballers

[01:21:03] or something along those lines. I think the shakers was minus Kenny. And then the ballers

[01:21:09] was with, or not, it might've been the opposite. My Kenny might've been in the shakers. He's

[01:21:12] going to shake up the game and the ballers were with like cam and, uh, uh, Tucker and Cedric,

[01:21:18] but there was basically just that group of people.

[01:21:20] Wait, so the ballers is real. Oh yeah. You didn't know this vindication, dude. I was like,

[01:21:28] wasn't there something called the ballers? And then all of a sudden MJ and Leah are like,

[01:21:34] this guy, he's in another one. He's in another Alliance. Oh my God. Oh my God.

[01:21:41] Yeah. Like, like a month and a half later you get, uh, this is, this is one of the MJ conspiracy

[01:21:48] theories that she had many, which she had many of, uh, which was that, wait, wasn't there an

[01:21:52] Alliance called the ballers that that's like a group of athletes? Who's, who's an athlete,

[01:21:59] cam Chelsea and Quinn. They must be the ballers. How did we forget about this?

[01:22:04] This is so, oh my gosh. Thank goodness. You know what I'm talking about? Oh my God. When I was

[01:22:12] talking about that, I was so confused on how the death ray was pointed at me. I was like,

[01:22:16] why would I do it? She went to like T-Core and chemo with it. And, and it was like, okay,

[01:22:22] it obviously dies here. And they were like, oh no. And they were like, we need to talk to Quinn

[01:22:27] about the ballers. I, of course they never did. They didn't for a while. And they finally did.

[01:22:34] They were like, Quinn, we need to ask you about something. What's the ballers?

[01:22:40] I, you know what? It is deserved. I was playing with fire the whole time. I can't be mad that people

[01:22:46] thought that I would be in a hypothetical alliance with people because realistically I had been in

[01:22:52] alliance with everyone throughout the season. Like other than, well, no Matt, we hadn't even

[01:22:56] named our group. So like, yeah, I was aligned with everyone at one point. So I can't even be mad,

[01:23:00] but just, oh my God. Okay. It was such a Corey situation, uh, to be in. So we had that going for you.

[01:23:10] Oh yeah. Oh, go ahead. So, so, uh, so they, they come together, they form this group, uh,

[01:23:17] Tucker rats you out to Cedric, um, and cam. And, uh, I think it's to cam first and then cam goes to

[01:23:25] Cedric, uh, with it. And this is like a big aha moment because you have been kind of like on Cedric's

[01:23:33] throat and cams to some degree. Um, and in the meantime said you're like his final two,

[01:23:41] he's got a final two with you. He actually feels really good with you. Um, and, uh,

[01:23:47] and he hears about this and he, he very quickly, I think, and very like correctly is like, oh crap,

[01:23:52] we can't, they both, both Cedric and cam, we can't trust Quinn. He is a snake. He's been

[01:23:57] snaking us. He like, uh, he's telling them about this. He's, he's telling chemo about this power.

[01:24:04] Uh, Tucker knows about it. We don't know about it. We're supposed to be in alliance with him.

[01:24:08] This is, this is bad news. And for a second there, it was, they were going to, they were

[01:24:13] going to target you. Um, but they weren't sure what direction they should go. And ultimately

[01:24:19] Cedric came to what I did think was the correct conclusion, which is like, it's not worth blowing

[01:24:25] up the entire structure just to take a pot shot at Quinn. Um, when we can use him and his power for

[01:24:33] another week, uh, and, uh, and then like just file this in the filing cabinet, uh, and we'll pull out

[01:24:41] the evidence later and we'll, we'll, we'll take that shot later, which was, which was the plan at

[01:24:45] that point, uh, spoiled by the fact that he then volunteers for the block the next week. So we can

[01:24:50] talk about that, but, uh, but that was kind of like the series of events there. And then I think the,

[01:24:55] the episodes do a pretty good job of explaining kind of like the, the Tucker of it all and how he felt

[01:25:03] old, even though he definitely was told and all that, which is hilarious. Him just be like,

[01:25:09] F it. I don't care. Um, right before the veto ceremony, I am called into the HOH room with the

[01:25:18] Pentagon, my Pentagoners for life for life. Um, and they break the news to me that Tucker is like going

[01:25:27] after me. And in my head, I'm like, that makes zero sense for Tucker. Like he and I are boys.

[01:25:34] Our boys are mutual. Like we have all the same friends and strategically he's not even like effing

[01:25:42] with Cedric like that. And so my logic is, Whoa, the Pentagon is way smarter than I could have ever

[01:25:50] predicted where they are sharing this information with the idea of pulling me closer to their ranks

[01:25:57] and further away from the underdogs. And so I'm like, Hey guys, I don't have the upgrade.

[01:26:03] That would be crazy. I was also nervous. If I confirm that I have the upgrade and that I've been lying,

[01:26:09] they now know that this is what it took to get the truth from me. Not a good look. Let me just say

[01:26:15] that Lisa had the power. Like, let me try to lean onto this like farce. And so when we're walking

[01:26:22] downstairs to the veto ceremony, I'm like, Tucker's my guy, but he, this makes no sense. Literally in

[01:26:28] the DR the night before I was like, tuck daddy, winning the HOH is or winning the veto is perfect

[01:26:34] for me because I am his biggest fan in the game. That's my dog. Like just properly out of the loop,

[01:26:42] which I have no shame in like it is part of the game, but like going into that veto ceremony,

[01:26:48] I'm like, yeah, he wouldn't do that. It's not smart for him. We need each other in this game.

[01:26:53] If we're going to go far cut to the ceremony, he is shaking with a white hot rage when Cedric

[01:27:02] doesn't put me up and I'm looking around like, Oh my God, he hates my guts. I'm like, Whoa,

[01:27:09] this dude. Oh my God. I, Oh boy. We are in danger. Like it was crazy. Yeah. Uh, and yeah,

[01:27:19] I mean, you then have to do a lot of damage control because, uh, at that point you finally

[01:27:23] have to admit to having the power. Uh, and I felt like you actually did a pretty decent job here.

[01:27:29] I mean, like, um, you know, it didn't help you really any with Tucker, but, um, but like for the

[01:27:37] most part, you pretty much won everyone back around. It's, it was funny again with T-Corps and chemo

[01:27:42] because like, I think they got a little bit swept up in like all of the, like, yeah, he did kind of lie.

[01:27:49] I mean, I guess he told us, but it was very funny.

[01:27:54] Which I talked to T-Corps about this in the jury house. I would have told her if I wasn't so nervous

[01:28:01] about her telling Chelsea, because I told T-Corps about, um, the, like, that's the group comment.

[01:28:08] Um, and then it instantly gets around to Chelsea. And so I'm like, I know T-Corps wants to work with

[01:28:13] Chelsea. I know they're interested in working together. I'm also talking about like, Hey,

[01:28:17] if we find ourselves in like a eviction number five and six, uh, like double eviction night,

[01:28:23] I have to take a shot at like cam and Chelsea. And then like, I'm getting pushback from T-Corps on it.

[01:28:30] So to me, it wasn't that crazy that I didn't tell T-Corps about the upgrade just because I felt like

[01:28:38] she was still interested in working with Chelsea, which makes the flip on Cedric very interesting.

[01:28:44] It's like such a, I have no idea, but, um, yeah, when I got called out, I felt like my ticket to

[01:28:51] freedom was played off as a joke and just be funny and not freak out and try not to lash out at anyone

[01:28:58] too intensely. Angela, you get a couple of free licks in there cause she was acting wild. But

[01:29:02] for the most part, I felt like I navigated the situation with like, just a, what? I don't know.

[01:29:10] Like that was my approach there. I, I, I, and I agree. I, and I think that like, I mean,

[01:29:15] when it came to Chelsea and Brooklyn, like they didn't even care, like they were chill about it.

[01:29:21] Um, weirdly, I think that this was most damaging with the people that you told the most to,

[01:29:28] which was chemo and T-Corps. Um, chemo, I think probably cause he felt a little guilty about the

[01:29:34] situation. Um, and, and T-Corps because you hadn't told her, but also because it caused a little

[01:29:39] bit of a rift in the two of them, uh, where like T-Corps is like, wow, chemo didn't tell me.

[01:29:44] Um, and, uh, and she had like a moment where she talked to Rubina about it and she's like,

[01:29:48] I can't believe chemo didn't tell me, like, can I trust him? Um, and they, like they had that little

[01:29:53] bit of a rift, which then brought them even closer together. Um, and I don't think this was

[01:29:59] necessarily like a conscious thing, but like you were kind of the cause of the rift. And so I think

[01:30:04] them coming, like having that difficulty coming back together even closer pushed you further out,

[01:30:10] uh, in that trio. Um, and, uh, and then of course the following week you really start to get, uh,

[01:30:17] at odds. Um, but, uh, but yeah, I mean, in terms of like where you are, you also have the added

[01:30:24] advantage of how broken this power is, which is the second you don't end up on the block,

[01:30:30] nobody can be very mad at you because you're guaranteed HOH next week.

[01:30:35] I went and showered because my hair was a mess. And so I was like, if I'm, these conversations

[01:30:40] are going to be on TV, let me go shower. I had four people walking up to me throughout my shower

[01:30:46] being like, it started with Joseph. He's like, Hey, don't worry. We're not mad. I'm not mad at you.

[01:30:50] I'm still interested in working together. And I was like, till the wheels fall off,

[01:30:53] then Brooklyn comes up and then like Chelsea. And it's just like, everyone is walking up individually.

[01:30:58] And the person who had the biggest issue with my lie was probably Leah, but like more transparently

[01:31:05] Rubina. Yeah. He looked me in the eyes and was like, I'm questioning everything that you've said

[01:31:09] to me. And to which my response of like, there's a lot of lying and big brother. I'm like, okay,

[01:31:14] dude, sue me for not telling you. All right. Like, what are you, what are we doing right now? But,

[01:31:20] um, yeah, I felt like people couldn't be that mad. Um, my biggest fear was since the like upgrade was

[01:31:28] used by McKenzie. I was like, realistically, if people are scared of my power, it might work against

[01:31:35] me. If I find myself on the block that people send me home because it is such a threatening power.

[01:31:42] Mm hmm. Um, yeah. Uh, because you, you, yes, you end up on, uh, like via America. Um, so, uh,

[01:31:54] yeah, let's quickly talk about Rubina and then we'll talk about America's nomination. Um, because

[01:31:58] you had just made a final two with Rubina, uh, like literally like the night before this happened.

[01:32:04] Yes. I formed that those final twos with Joseph and Rubina, by the way, because I had not been

[01:32:09] called to the DR in a while. And I was like, annoyed. I was like, you're trying to do this

[01:32:14] show without me. Let me chef up some final twos. I formed those with ease. Like people are so down

[01:32:21] because who says no to a final two? Um, I'll be honest. It's been real easy to lie to these people.

[01:32:28] That guy's hilarious. Um, it's like, it's shocking. Like they're like, Oh yeah, let's do it.

[01:32:35] Um, Joseph, I understand was being pushed by Tucker, which is hilarious to form that. Um,

[01:32:41] my second favorite final two was a lie. How heartbreaking, but with Rubina, it to me made

[01:32:47] sense. Like if we were going to ride out into the sunset with the underdogs, I need to have some

[01:32:52] security there. Chemo is so locked in with T core that I felt like it was so transparent with Rubina.

[01:32:58] And at that point, her and I had a really, really good personal relationship where I don't know.

[01:33:04] She was like my older sister. She like reminded me of my ex girlfriend. Like I was like sharing,

[01:33:08] like who I'm like friends with. And so I'm like sharing all this stuff. It made sense. And then

[01:33:13] Tucker's just like, it's crazy. Um, yeah, she was so upset with me. And honestly, I thought I could

[01:33:23] lie my way through it. And I, the like next week I did, I don't know if you know what I'm referencing,

[01:33:27] but I pretty much just played this like song and act of their song and dance of, you know,

[01:33:34] I've been trying really hard to find my person this season. And it's like, I formed a final two

[01:33:39] with Angela. She ended up being crazy. I formed one with, with chemo. And then he abandoned me for T core.

[01:33:47] And so when I formed it with you, I really thought that like there was something there. And then

[01:33:51] Tucker blows it up the very next day. I don't know if she bought it. I felt like a great liar

[01:33:56] in that moment. I was like, this is good. I think I got through this. I have no idea.

[01:34:00] I mean, well, that was the thing, right? Like Rubina was the person who was the most like

[01:34:06] outwardly upset about the power reveal. Um, and it lasted like a day and then she was totally chill

[01:34:14] about it. But you, I think never fully trusted again that she would ever like actually be chill

[01:34:21] with you. Um, which, which was, I think a little bit to your detriment, uh, throughout the game.

[01:34:27] I think most of that was the result of putting her on the block. Right. Um, and it was like just

[01:34:34] her proximity to Tucker. I was like, I'm sorry, but if you are like holding hands with this guy

[01:34:40] and looking longingly into each other's eyes and you're sharing beautiful moments, you're not gonna

[01:34:46] not be like, there's no way you're working against Tucker. Like in my head, I could not conceptualize

[01:34:52] this at all. And so I do agree that I think that my skepticism of logic, like, like there's no reason

[01:34:59] why she should trust me. And then she just did. It makes no sense at all. Yeah. Um, so, uh,

[01:35:06] you are put on the block by America. You, it didn't seem like it was too much of a surprise for you.

[01:35:12] Um, I mean, you knew what DRs you were getting. I'll be honest. It's been real easy to lie.

[01:35:20] Um, I do. I think that like, you also brought up the, the previous Angela situation. I think that

[01:35:27] there was an initial reaction to that that was like, Whoa, like, what is he trying to say about

[01:35:32] this, this situation that turned some people off? Um, and in addition to that, uh, Tucker,

[01:35:39] I think was very much on the rise and popularity. He had a move that he wanted to make. Um, and,

[01:35:47] uh, and like the edit, I think did not help you either both previously or like, uh, in this moment,

[01:35:55] um, I didn't prepare this clip exactly, but, uh, basically, uh, Tucker is like, well,

[01:36:04] well, Cedric didn't have the balls to put Quinn up at the end of the episode.

[01:36:14] Oh my gosh. Um, so, uh, you end up on the block. How do you feel about that? Oh, here,

[01:36:20] hold on. Here it is. I guess Cedric didn't have the balls to put Quinn out there. So

[01:36:26] that was literally, give me, help me CBS. Um, no, I, there's a reason why I was wearing

[01:36:34] eighties workout wear. I, I was very well aware that there's a good chance. My torch is getting

[01:36:39] snuffed tonight and I'm going to put on the block. Like that's the funniest option. If I had smuggled

[01:36:44] my phone in and I was a fan, you know, I'm following Tucker. It was so clear that Tucker would

[01:36:50] be America's favorite player, like from that moment on. And I recognize he and I are arch rivals,

[01:36:56] like against my wishes. Um, of course I'm going to be put on the block. This is not that crazy of an

[01:37:04] idea. And so, yeah, I was ready to compete just because it made perfect sense for America to put

[01:37:10] me on the block and I couldn't be too mad about it. I tried to garner some sympathy from people,

[01:37:14] but I also didn't want, I didn't want people to use that edit where it's like, look at this loser

[01:37:19] crying about America, putting him up on the block. So I didn't lean into like the sympathy card too much

[01:37:23] where I'm like, guys, it's okay. I'm fine being put on the block, but yeah. Uh, yeah. And, and I,

[01:37:30] this was sort of like a period of time where, uh, you became a little divisive in the fan,

[01:37:37] but not in like a toxic way, but just in like, some people were like, guys, he, I don't see it with

[01:37:43] Quinn. And then some people were like, we're Quinnians. We love him. Right. Um, and, uh, and the,

[01:37:48] the fan base, it was very infighty, I think when it came to, uh, what is the opinion on Quinn? Um,

[01:37:55] and as, as you, as like, I feel comfortable talking about this because it's a happy ending,

[01:38:01] your top three. Um, uh, but, um, but like I, it was during this period of time that it was,

[01:38:08] I think part of it was like your, your Tucker's enemy. Part of it was, uh, you know, he's,

[01:38:13] he's a little loud in the diary, which what are people mad about? I don't get that. I was having

[01:38:22] a great time in the DR and I get out and people are like, this guy's so annoying. I'm like,

[01:38:28] whoa, I was having a great time. You guys are lame. And then people are saying that it's like

[01:38:33] disingenuous. And I'm like, I promise you the people in my life have like, they have ear hearing

[01:38:39] issues because I'm so loud. I'm like, don't worry guys. I'm not putting up an act. I'm really this

[01:38:45] obnoxious. Like what a funny reason to be mad at someone. Yeah. I mean, I, I, and this is the

[01:38:51] thing. And this is, I think what I was saying at the time was, which was that like, uh, like this

[01:38:56] wasn't like, I think people were genuinely mad at you or anything. Uh, like, I don't think there was

[01:39:01] ever a time where people were like, you know what? Like, uh, screw that guy. Like, uh, he's,

[01:39:07] you get him off the show. Like he's done some things. Uh, it was more just like, man, that guy

[01:39:12] annoys me. Which fair, you know what? Exactly. Right. Like, cause here's the thing about reality

[01:39:19] television is that you're not supposed to like everyone. Um, and so like, if, if there are people

[01:39:25] that like root against you because like, you're not for them, like that's kind of part of your job of

[01:39:31] being on the show. You know what I mean? Uh, and then if you can get people to root for you as well,

[01:39:36] you're really doing your job. Did he? Oh my gosh. Like I'm not too worried about it. Like

[01:39:42] people are mad then, but they, they like me now. So it makes no difference. Um, I did have a moment

[01:39:48] in the DR where I would just get riled up. You know, it's like, you're hanging out with your friends.

[01:39:53] You're like talking about this show that you love. And I get to finally blueprint the logic going into

[01:39:59] all my decisions. So I'm getting excited. Um, and at one point I asked, I was like, I'm not giving

[01:40:04] chef Joe, am I? And they're like, no, it's much more excited versus just like yelling. And I'm

[01:40:10] like, all right, we're good. As long as I'm not chef Joe, where he's just straight up screaming

[01:40:16] versus like being excited. I'm okay with that. You know?

[01:40:20] Well, what's what, what, what I thought was interesting is that I think the way that the

[01:40:25] audience was reacting to you did kind of mirror how the house was now responding to you in the game,

[01:40:30] um, to some degree, because we were really seeing, this is when, you know, uh, so basically

[01:40:35] after, uh, Cedric and Cam are informed about you, Cam has this long talk with Leah about you. Um,

[01:40:43] and this is what really flips Leah for a while. And then, so then like, uh, you know, Leah's then

[01:40:48] having late later having conversations with Joseph. Um, and there are like, you know, moments where

[01:40:53] like you're coming in and you're, you know, being goofy Quinn and they're like, Oh my God. Um,

[01:40:59] and, uh, and like, you know, it, it, it was interesting, uh, maybe not pleasant. Um,

[01:41:06] but I think interesting to watch how like the, uh, the way that people responded to you in the

[01:41:12] situation that you were in changed the context of like how people saw you, um, because you were so

[01:41:20] you, it was like the complete opposite of where you would start where you're so well liked. Now,

[01:41:25] all of a sudden, uh, you still had a couple of those relationships, but even some of the people

[01:41:29] you were close to were like, Oh yeah, maybe he is like a little snaky or maybe he is a little

[01:41:33] annoying. Um, and, uh, and it took a while for you to, to like turn that back around, but you did

[01:41:40] ultimately right before, you know, you then kind of fix it. I know. Yeah. After my game got exposed,

[01:41:46] I could feel that like the difference in way that the way that people are treating me all of a sudden

[01:41:51] now I'm not this like sweet kid that people are like willing to, you know, I can weaponize

[01:41:56] incompetence where it's like, you know, sometimes going the extra mile means that you missed your

[01:42:01] exit. Like that's a lot less charming, the older you get. And it was like, once I got exposed as being,

[01:42:07] you know, snake, like, which I absolutely was, um, I could feel that people had a lower patience with me.

[01:42:15] And it's something that I battled with internally, but my perspective was, okay, if you let it show

[01:42:23] that it bothers you, it gives people the opportunity to justify their behavior. Whereas if you just keep

[01:42:29] putting yourself out there genuinely the way I react, and then people turn you into a punching bag,

[01:42:34] that's now a them decision. And I think that like certain people got their licks in. And as I just

[01:42:40] kept taking it and I'm responding with positivity, people are like, all right, it's kind of hard to stay

[01:42:45] mad at the guy. He's just a sweet little guy. Like that. I think that it was beneficial to not

[01:42:50] react and change. Okay. That's, so that's super interesting to me because I feel like there was

[01:42:57] something that happened and, and, you know, you, you might disagree with me, but I feel like watching

[01:43:01] you, um, I feel like you maybe it wasn't quite developed at first, but I felt like you developed

[01:43:07] a superpower, which was that when, because man, a lot of bad things happen to you in that house.

[01:43:15] And at first you were just taking them on the chin and you were just like smiling through it.

[01:43:21] And I do think that works to a degree, but I think it was also a little off putting at times

[01:43:25] because you were almost too happy about it. Um, and there's a moment we're skipping ahead a little

[01:43:30] bit, but there's a moment when Tucker wins the wall comp where you're just like, you can't hold

[01:43:36] the smile anymore. And that was the first time that I noticed people being like, maybe we're a little

[01:43:42] hard on Quinn. Like this, this really sucks for him because it was this really genuine moment of

[01:43:48] like despair that people felt like people were seeing through the cracks in the armor. Um, and,

[01:43:56] and then you'd go back to being like the happy guy. And I think seeing that like that did exist under

[01:44:01] the exterior really helped contextualize who you were. And as things continued to happen to you and

[01:44:08] you continued to have these like extreme reactions and then bounce back. Uh, it was like, wow, look

[01:44:13] at this. Like, okay, I can't give him his props. Yeah. I, I never want to make my own like situation,

[01:44:21] other people's problems. And so I think that like, I often respond with optimism and positivity and try

[01:44:27] to smile through the pain as a way to like show strength to me. That's what like real strength is.

[01:44:34] And like, you know, jumping forward to the wall, um, Cedric has just gone home. I'm in the DR,

[01:44:40] like crying to his mom. And I was like, like, because he, you know, there was that we all thought

[01:44:47] that he was like 18, 19 years old because he's just so young looking in his speech. He like shrank

[01:44:53] down to a 14 year old. Like he was like a little kid, like his eviction speech. And it like shattered

[01:44:58] my heart to see him go. He and I are from like a very similar area in Oklahoma. And I was like crying

[01:45:03] to his mom in the DR. I was like, this isn't what I wanted. Like, I can't do this. And then I shared,

[01:45:09] um, this is probably like the first time not on the feeds I've talked about this, but like going into

[01:45:14] the wall comp, this was like a winner take all situation for me in my personal life.

[01:45:19] I had a very toxic person in my life who pretty much pooped on me every opportunity they had.

[01:45:26] And much like in the house, I just smiled through the pain. And as I'm watching big brother 25,

[01:45:31] the wall comps happening, this dude walks in and I share like, dude, this is the competition I'm

[01:45:36] going to win. Um, when I'm on the show someday, like this is mine. And he's annoyed. He's like,

[01:45:40] why? And I say, because this competition favors women and like the skinny short guys.

[01:45:47] And he looks at me with like this disgust. And he just says, you think you're skinny?

[01:45:52] And I am someone who like struggles with like body dysmorphia, like, you know, body image issues,

[01:45:57] things like that. And so going into this competition, um, I told him in the moment,

[01:46:02] you know, I, I, we didn't get into a physical scrap. I didn't say anything disrespectful.

[01:46:06] I just took it. And I said, you'll see. And so going into this competition,

[01:46:10] that's what was weighing on my heart. And I was just like holding onto the wall. Had I won,

[01:46:14] I was going to double bird. They, you know, we're on live. They're like, do not curse.

[01:46:19] Had I won, I was going to double bird the cameras and tell them to like,

[01:46:25] get F word, you know, shit birds, like that kind of thing. Like, and so that reaction isn't even

[01:46:32] about the game. Like I am a good sport. Like I can lose and I'll take it. But it was like that

[01:46:37] weight on my chest and losing the, just for some transparency for the people watching,

[01:46:42] that's what was weighing on me so heavily of like, wow, I blew it. And I get emotional when I see the

[01:46:48] DR where it's like, uh, when I, when I lose, it feels like, uh, everyone else who's just

[01:46:53] disrespected me wins. That's what I was carrying in that moment. And so I'm thankful that people got to

[01:46:59] like, whether as painful as a moment, as that was, I'm thankful that it was an opportunity for

[01:47:05] people to see who I fully am and within all contexts versus just the blind optimism and add,

[01:47:12] you know, adversity. Yeah. I mean, listen, you came in second. I mean, this is pretty,

[01:47:18] you're pretty close. You know what I mean? I gave it everything I had my risks. I have the

[01:47:23] frailest risks you've ever seen in your life. So, okay. Uh, just to, to quickly talk about the wall

[01:47:29] then. Um, because I was noticing that it really felt to me, and I think I've been talking about

[01:47:35] this for a little while, but like just where your arm naturally falls in terms of like the handle

[01:47:40] placement seems to be super key because you, you had issues with your wrist because like you couldn't

[01:47:47] get a good purchase on either the one that was too tall or the one that was too low. Um, and, uh,

[01:47:54] and so that's putting a lot of pressure on your wrist. Um, and, uh, like obviously ideally you

[01:47:59] just want to be able to like straight wrist it at the exact right spot. Um, did, did you feel like

[01:48:04] that was the issue? Oh yeah. The second we got up there, I was complaining. Um, it was, we got out

[01:48:09] there and I was like, so you took our measurements for nothing then? Like I, I was being toxic and I

[01:48:14] like felt bad, but it was such a high stakes moment. And I remember last year, you know, America,

[01:48:20] there's that clip of her holding onto the grip like this. And that just frustrated me that it's like,

[01:48:25] dude, so many competitions are designed to benefit the big guys. Why is the wall now being

[01:48:32] a competition for them? Um, the grips themselves, I thought that they were very similar to rock

[01:48:37] climbing grips. No, they're just like these like very shallow, like it's like you can't hold onto it.

[01:48:45] And then, um, I haven't been rock climbing in like three months. What's it called when you like

[01:48:49] smearing, right? Where you like put your foot against the wall to create tension.

[01:48:53] I do that all the time when I rock climb, like I will bypass certain grips just because my legs

[01:48:58] are strong enough to create tension there. And so I'm holding onto the wall and, um, I am like on my

[01:49:05] tippy toes. And so I'm feeling it in my calves. It was like in my traps, it was, oh my goodness.

[01:49:12] And then Tucker was wearing his earplugs during this comp. And I was like, that's crazy.

[01:49:17] It made no difference. He was going to win, but like, you know, just in the spirit of complaining,

[01:49:22] I'm like, I was like, that's crazy. You know, goop gets in everyone else's ears except for that

[01:49:26] guy. That's interesting. Um, it, the grip situation was super disappointing. It hurt my

[01:49:33] wrists because I couldn't hold on like this. I had to hold into the corners, which certainly sucked.

[01:49:40] Um, I felt bad for Rubina because we're not allowed to crouch anymore and see she is so short

[01:49:46] that like the dividing wall thing in between her legs, she's writing it like a saddle. It was,

[01:49:52] it was very unfair. I felt, um, given, you know, as fair as you can be in these competition shows,

[01:49:59] like the ball never lies. Tucker's stronger than me. He's a wrestler. So he's like, you know,

[01:50:05] lightweight, very functionally strong. He probably would have beaten me no matter what.

[01:50:09] So I'm not that upset about it, but in the moment with like the weight of the expectations,

[01:50:15] that's where I was at. And I was mean mugging, not the camera, but the camera operator. I was

[01:50:21] like getting in the mindset. I was like, this is war. I need to kill. Let's do this. And I'm like,

[01:50:26] just snarling at the guy. Like, Oh my goodness. Very cool experience. Yeah. Um, okay. Well,

[01:50:34] let's rewind briefly. Of course, um, you do get nominated by America. Um, but, uh, it's Kenny.

[01:50:43] They send out after Tucker wins the AI, uh, arena. Um, Kenny's now finally gone, uh, week three.

[01:50:53] Uh, this is when you fall in the stock watch, uh, as we anticipated that you would be on the block

[01:51:00] and that your game also just blew up. Uh, you had a four, um, which is still not that bad,

[01:51:05] you know, considering you end up on the block by the end of the week. Um, and, uh, and this is when

[01:51:10] Chelsea, uh, takes back the, the lead. Her and Brooklyn are going to be riding the, uh, the leader

[01:51:16] positions for the next two weeks, uh, week three and four. Um, as, uh, as you then become HOH,

[01:51:23] well, Angela becomes HOH and then you become HOH on top of that in the following week. Um, and this

[01:51:32] was now many people will say the first of two HOH disasters. Uh, I would not necessarily agree

[01:51:43] mostly because, and I don't think you really knew it at the time, but like Cedric was planning to

[01:51:51] betray you. Like he was not the ally that you thought he was at the time. So you accidentally

[01:51:55] taking him out was actually not that bad. Um, it just, the way that it happened wasn't great. Um,

[01:52:03] but even then it's not like you completely, uh, you know, we were evicted the following week or

[01:52:08] anything like that. Uh, so I, I actually didn't feel like it wasn't necessarily your intention,

[01:52:13] but, but in terms of like disastrous things that could happen, losing Cedric meant that you for

[01:52:19] sure would keep Chelsea and Brooklyn and like, uh, other people that were a lot more on board with you,

[01:52:25] uh, because Cedric was the one that was going to be able to probably pull them away from you if,

[01:52:30] uh, if he had the ability to, um, and it wasn't until the following week when, when Tucker went

[01:52:35] after Brooklyn and, uh, and Chelsea that they were like, Oh wait, why aren't you going after Quinn?

[01:52:39] Um, but, uh, but yes, uh, talk to me about this HOH.

[01:52:45] So for starters, um, I felt like the way that we handled the HOH competition was really great in

[01:52:53] terms of hiding the Alliance that was like exposed. I don't know why we did that. I felt like there was

[01:53:02] ways that we could just, you know, put Tucker against Angela, Angela versus McKenzie. And then it's

[01:53:08] McKenzie versus the collective. Um, or, and then Leah as well, like that to me made more sense, but

[01:53:15] instead we were like trying to hide our allegiance to one another. And I thought that that was a little

[01:53:21] irresponsible with the bad AI, um, HOH competition. The TVs were tiny. I, when I, I could not see. And so

[01:53:31] when I guessed, um, I think I guess B my intention was there's a 33% chance that I'll get this right.

[01:53:38] I just need to be faster than Tucker because I am not a detail oriented guy. I'm off my ADHD meds.

[01:53:45] I can't focus if I wanted to. Um, and so I just guess as quickly as I can, I guess wrong.

[01:53:53] Nonetheless, I have to use my upgrade now because Angela is saying that, Oh, Quinn's going to like

[01:53:59] my nominations. And I'm like fat chances, dude. I don't know. And it's like McKenzie is the one who's

[01:54:04] pushing this too. And I'm like, why would I trust McKenzie on this? Like it benefits her to,

[01:54:11] for me to not use the upgrade. Um, I use it. I do my business meetings with everyone. I was given

[01:54:19] an 11 o'clock DR time to go in there and tell them my nominees that I had people coming into the room,

[01:54:25] telling me the time. Um, definitely, uh, uh, Kevin Jacobs reference, by the way,

[01:54:32] my business meetings, I knew that no one would get that for my season other than maybe Joseph.

[01:54:37] Um, I'm doing my business meetings with people. I'm trying to show them that like,

[01:54:41] even with power, I can be a funny person. That's like a lot of my intentionality,

[01:54:46] like me and Leah are drinking an invisible 200 year old whiskey. And this, in our conversation,

[01:54:53] she signs away a percentage of Ciswa underwear brand. So it's like, you know, Hey, I'm doing all

[01:55:00] this stuff, but like, I'm still a good time guys. Let's not forget how fun I can be. Um, maybe that

[01:55:07] was exhausting for others. I don't know, but they called me into the DR 47 minutes early.

[01:55:13] And so I did not get to meet with Tucker. I did not get to meet with MJ during these meetings. Um,

[01:55:20] I pretty much am trying to gauge who I should put up in my head. I want to put up Tucker McKenzie.

[01:55:28] And then, um, to me, Rubina was the obvious choice given the confines of the collective and punt and,

[01:55:37] uh, like Pentagon within Cedric volunteers for the block. And I'm like,

[01:55:43] okay, this is not the worst thing ever. I even like try to like vaguely, if I remember correctly,

[01:55:48] I'm like trying to talk him off. And he's like, no, I want it for the resume. I'm like, okay,

[01:55:52] perfect. You're a competitor. Like you are really good at these competitions. Maybe you have the

[01:55:58] Tucker's kryptonite hitting up your sleeve and you can beat him. Um, I'm also getting consent

[01:56:03] for the roast. I was, if we remember, um, in the explanation of the deep fake HOH,

[01:56:11] I would also get to stir up drama. And so I'm getting consent on jokes that I can make about

[01:56:18] people, you know, calling cam crusty cam, which is the name that was used to bully him in middle

[01:56:22] school. Very deep cut. Uh, I wanted to make sure that that was okay. I'm getting the green light from

[01:56:27] people. I get called into, I'm also simultaneously, by the way, being like being accused of being a

[01:56:36] cheater by Tucker, uh, which to me was deeply frustrating. And so I'm explaining to people,

[01:56:43] Hey, what he's accusing me of is like using production as a strategy. And I'm telling you

[01:56:48] right now, that is a boundary I will never cross. Um, to which I'm told in the DR, I can't say that

[01:56:53] it's too metagamey. And so I'm like, wait, he's accusing me of cheating. And they're like, yeah,

[01:56:58] but he's wrong. Yeah. The, the irony is that if you were doing what he says, he said you were doing,

[01:57:04] they would stop that. And instead they're stopping you from prevent, from saying that you would be

[01:57:09] stopped for doing that. Yes. And so I'm so pissed. Um, I gave them my nominees, even though I felt

[01:57:16] rushed, I was like, okay, I didn't even get to talk to Tucker or McKenzie and try to do like

[01:57:21] some damage control. And I didn't get consent on jokes to make. Um, the night before I asked Angela,

[01:57:30] like, you know, you're HOH. I want to be respectful. Who are some people you don't want to see on the

[01:57:34] block to which she then flips on me. And it's like, well, who's a non-negotiable for you? And

[01:57:39] it's like, I don't know. Chemo. Like, and then she's like pushing for more information. I'm like,

[01:57:44] bro, what are you, what is happening right now? I'm not doing, I'm not giving you more information.

[01:57:49] It was like the most puzzling experience of my life. So I didn't really get to have a talk with her.

[01:57:54] Um, the roasts that I got cut from the episode, which is annoying was that, um, Joseph's mustache is

[01:58:03] fake. Uh, Cam is two middle schoolers, like, like stacked on each other's shoulders, wearing a trench

[01:58:11] coat. And one of them is Rubina. Um, like Leah's was say swap more like say blah, weak ass underwear

[01:58:20] brand. Chemo is from Arizona. Uh, or it was like crusty cam is whatever. Um, Brooklyn isn't even the

[01:58:28] best city in New York. Um, Chelsea is Beyonce's cousin. I don't have it in my heart to, to bully

[01:58:39] Chelsea. All right. That's part of her misting ability. I just want her to like me. So I just

[01:58:44] be nice. It's in your meeting with her that you're like, I see you as the captain of our ship.

[01:58:50] Yeah. I, and I was like, I hopefully she didn't take that as threatening. I have another moment with

[01:58:56] her like later on in the season where I like compliment her, like from a very like heartfelt

[01:59:01] thing where I'm like, I see you as the captain. And I knew that she was in athletics and I hoped

[01:59:06] that she would understand what that meant, where it's like, I trust you. Like you, I, you can lead

[01:59:11] and I will follow, um, from your context. Did she take that as threatening or? No. I mean,

[01:59:17] I think we were like, that seems risky to say to somebody like Chelsea, but, uh, but she never

[01:59:22] seemed to take it, uh, too poorly. No. Yeah. Little big brother. All right. Um, oh my God.

[01:59:31] I'm obsessed with her, but yeah. Um, she's definitely, I, I absolutely saw her as a captain

[01:59:36] just because I mean it with my experience with athletics, like there are people who are in

[01:59:42] charge because of their like comp ability, you know, they're athletic, whatever. But for me,

[01:59:47] the, the captains that I always respected more were like the strategic guys who are doing the

[01:59:51] work in the classroom, you know, whatever. And I saw that translated onto her. And as a, also as a

[01:59:57] mutual college athlete, I thought she would appreciate it. Turns out it didn't hurt my game.

[02:00:02] So that's a win for me. Um, this roast happens for some reason, Angela is playing up to the camera.

[02:00:10] She's like, guys, that's not me to which we all roll our eyes. And we're like, obviously, Angela,

[02:00:16] we, we, we know what are you, what the heck? Um, I didn't feel like I didn't get to do my like

[02:00:28] damage control before the nominee ceremony, um, properly. And so I, at the end of the meeting,

[02:00:34] I'm like, all right, obviously I'm the deep fake HOH. This is why I put people up. They're all comp

[02:00:41] threats. Um, whatever Tucker, you need to go home. I think prior to this, I talked to Tucker

[02:00:48] and I confront him with the whole cheating allegations. And I'm like, brother, please

[02:00:56] stop saying that like whatever. And I'm jumping through the hoops that were provided for me.

[02:01:01] And he looks at me and he goes, uh, like he compares me to Kenny. He's like, well,

[02:01:06] Kenny was breaking the rules and they let him do it. And I was like, you think I'm like Kenny?

[02:01:10] And so I'm like storming off, like on the vert, like about to go cry in the pedal room.

[02:01:15] And Cedric hears me. I was like, I guess we'll see during the, uh, renom ceremony, dumb ass.

[02:01:20] And so I'm like, sorry, language. Um, and Cedric thought that was hilarious. That was just a

[02:01:24] fun detail where Cedric's like Quinn was all really mad. Um, yeah, I thought that my nominees made sense.

[02:01:32] I felt like Cedric was an absolute weapon. I feel like McKenzie was a weapon and I'm just begging

[02:01:38] that Tucker doesn't win this veto ceremony. I would like to, in a normal season, put up someone else

[02:01:45] and backdoor him. But my fear is that it's way too beneficial for someone to choose Tucker to compete

[02:01:53] just because then, you know, if you're in the business of sucking up to Tucker, he wins competitions.

[02:01:59] He saves you if he's not on the block. And then who am I going to put up? Uh, and then as far as I'm

[02:02:05] concerned, I'm like, well, he's going to have an opportunity to save himself on eviction night

[02:02:08] anyway. So let's just hope he loses twice, I guess. And maybe that's not the smartest thing to do,

[02:02:14] but given the landscape of the game, I felt like I didn't have too many options. I had no idea that

[02:02:18] Leah was properly crushing me behind closed doors at the time. Um, and so it's just like,

[02:02:25] I don't want to put up Rubina initially. So these are my nominees and then let's hope it works out.

[02:02:32] Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I, at this point he had, he had won like what the AI arena and then the veto

[02:02:38] before. Um, but it wasn't like he was like super unbeatable at the time and putting up, uh, Cedric

[02:02:46] and McKenzie, I think as competitors against him makes some sense. I think at the time we were talking

[02:02:51] about like, should you backdoor him? Should you not backdoor him? There's pros and cons.

[02:02:55] Ultimately it doesn't work out. So it's easy to say like, Oh, it should have been a backdoor,

[02:02:59] but I don't think it was like a super slam dunk decision. Um, I noticed you're holding now, uh,

[02:03:05] for the audio listeners, a, uh, minion. Yeah. His name is camel crusher. This is my son.

[02:03:11] Um, yes. Uh, I also wanted to say when Cedric went home, I was certainly very upset,

[02:03:16] but that was more on like a personal level. Strategically. I was like, this is not like

[02:03:21] the worst thing that could have happened to me. Like, okay. They flipped. The big problem was

[02:03:27] that T-Core and chemo flipped on the, our majority Alliance dissolving it, which was protecting me

[02:03:33] against Tucker. Um, that was the bad part, but I also recognized Cedric is so well liked and he's

[02:03:41] such a like competition threat. I'll be honest. I was not intimidated by anyone in the house,

[02:03:48] except for Cedric on a personal level. I would see the way that he was able to connect with people.

[02:03:53] And I was just like, this guy is so sick. That's not why I put him on the block or anything,

[02:03:56] but I just, I felt insecure around him because just because that guy has like not juice,

[02:04:02] but sauce, like that is long-term he's, he's so cool and well liked and just awesome and everything

[02:04:09] I wanted to be. So like when he went home, I was like, this isn't the craziest thing. Um,

[02:04:15] I mean, it changes the whole game. The fact that he volunteers for the block because the whole point

[02:04:19] and what we talked about in the previous week, which was like by not actually targeting you

[02:04:25] the previous week and keeping you safe. Like the purpose of that is that yes, he has betrayed us.

[02:04:30] We can't trust him, but he has this power that'd be super useful to us if we can convince him that

[02:04:35] we're still on board. Um, which is like a great plan and one that they, I think succeeded in,

[02:04:41] like you weren't targeting them with that power, but it's all moot. If you then volunteer for the

[02:04:48] block, the whole point of having power is that you don't have to be on the block. Uh, and then,

[02:04:53] you know, and you knew that like info was spreading around. So it's just like Cedric.

[02:04:58] I can changes if that, if that doesn't happen.

[02:05:01] Absolutely. And in terms of like trusting the Pentagon and like the collective, that's all I

[02:05:06] had at that point as everything is evolving around me, there's so many opera or like moments

[02:05:11] in the game where I am forced to just like trust that something is going to work. And I think that

[02:05:18] rather than buying into paranoia, like for any like future players, sometimes you just have to kind of

[02:05:22] blindly trust that it'll work out. And like it vaguely did for me, um, in terms of like leaning with

[02:05:29] the collective that week because had I not messed up the week after that, um, I still could have

[02:05:35] rode off into the sunset with like Brooklyn, Chelsea and cam still trusting me, but you know,

[02:05:41] it is what it is, but yeah, I don't know. I don't know where I was going with that one. Sorry.

[02:05:46] No worries.

[02:05:47] That's it for part one of the Quinn deep dive here on RHAP. If you want to hear part two,

[02:05:56] stay tuned. We will be back with another massive chunk of deep diving. Uh, thank you all so much

[02:06:06] for joining us for this one. Uh, stay tuned for more coverage of big brother, uh, off season as

[02:06:11] well. Um, in the meantime and, uh, yeah, check out part two.