BB26 Chelsie Baham Deep Dive Part 2

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[00:01:30] Welcome back to the Chelsea Deep Dive for Big Brother 26.

[00:01:38] What oh, this has been a lot of fun. I hope you're ready for part two. If you've started here, you've started in the wrong place. You should start at part one and then listen to this one, part two, as we finish the season in deep dive form with the winner, Chelsea. Let's get back to it.

[00:01:56] So, you survive. You win the AI arena. It's Cam versus Brooklyn. Brooklyn leaves. And heading into the following week, you know, T-Core wins the HOH. And this is pretty huge for you.

[00:02:17] Not that there are like a ton of people that are looking to target you necessarily, but like there are definitely some people in that house that would have continued the momentum of, you know, of where that was going.

[00:02:29] You know, luckily for you, your biggest op was Joseph, who is throwing a bunch of comps.

[00:02:33] So, uh, but T-Core wins and she's, she's going to keep you safe. Uh, regardless, she's, you know, looking to, you know, if Mackenzie leaves, that's not great for you at this point in the game. Um, Angela leaving doesn't hurt you at all. Uh, like a lot of the potential options for people that could go Cam leaving wouldn't have been great. Obviously.

[00:03:03] But you being safe is, is pretty huge. It gives you the opportunity to rebuild, um, and, and rebuild you do. Uh, right. So like, as soon as T-Core wins, you, I assume you kind of felt, okay, I'm probably good.

[00:03:16] Yeah. I felt safe immediately. I knew I was safe. Yeah. I wasn't going on the block.

[00:03:20] Um, so like, uh, what's the game plan here? How do you, how do you, what is it now that your entire game has been blown up, you've been on the block, you finally survived. You finally have the opportunity to start actually rebuilding and not just surviving.

[00:03:32] Yep.

[00:03:33] What's the game plan?

[00:03:34] Uh, gain trust back with every single person in the house, period. Like, how do I, how do I show my, why I did what I did, why I was in alliances and how I am loyal.

[00:03:46] So I played that card to the, I was blue in the face. Like I, yes, I made these decisions. I stand on it because if I am brought on a team, I'm going to be loyal to the team.

[00:03:55] And so I'm not going to necessarily apologize for, uh, for being loyal to something I was brought into. And then I also cleared up, cleared up the fact that I would, was not, uh, I did not start these alliances.

[00:04:09] And then I tried as much as I can to deviate from like me. I was not the head. I was not the leader. It was Joseph and Quinn. So I, I knew it was influential, but I didn't want people to think about that.

[00:04:19] So it's like, how do I clean my slate? Number one. And then how do I rebuild relationships with people that I felt like were a little bit iffy with me?

[00:04:27] And that was Rowena, uh, T-Core, chemo. I have felt a little iffy about Tucker was just, I was, I knew Tucker was never going to want me in the house.

[00:04:36] So like I was going to be cordial, but that's that. Uh, so really it was just get close to everybody in the house, show them how I can be an asset and show them that I am a loyal person and a level headed person.

[00:04:47] And also like, I didn't, I wasn't mean to Quinn or Joseph after the fact, Joseph, uh, completely decided to ignore me for three weeks after the fact.

[00:04:56] Cause he thought I was mad, but I was not mean. I was not, I didn't give anybody the cold shoulder. So I wanted to show people like, yes, things can happen to me, but I'm the type of person that will, uh, you know, keep it pushing, forgive and move forward.

[00:05:10] Like I'm a player you want to play with. That was my rebuilding strategy at Chelsea handled that really well. Like she real from my HOHs to my game being blown up. So how do I show that I am a level headed player that could be an asset?

[00:05:24] That was my game plan. And then how do I show that to as many people as possible? And I think a thing that benefited me versus Brooklyn, the week we were put on the block is how I responded to chemo and T-Core.

[00:05:35] I could have been like, you know, how dare you guys, you were in the collective. And I was very gracious with them. And partly because I, I love chemo and T-Core. Like I asked, they were my friends. So it was hard for me.

[00:05:49] I understood why they wanted to keep Rubina. So I wasn't too upset by that. I was just like, y'all, I just wish you would have told me that's it like water under the bridge. But next time just include me in that.

[00:05:59] So that was my game plan. Become somebody that is, people respect how I handle certain situations. And I think that set me up really, really well for the second half of this game.

[00:06:12] Mm-hmm. Yeah. And, and this is also like, I think to some degree, the return of Cam in the game because he's starting to recognize, because let me tell you, listen, I'm a Cam fan myself.

[00:06:28] I heard you were, I heard you were a Cam fan of his Cam.

[00:06:32] Did you? That's interesting.

[00:06:35] I'm not that big of a Cam fan.

[00:06:40] More of a like, you know, I think, I think he, you know, I think he's overly criticized for things than, I agree.

[00:06:47] I agree. I agree.

[00:06:48] But like, you know, for a little while there from week two, when he agreed to be a pawn up until around week six, it was like, what is this guy doing here?

[00:06:57] Yeah.

[00:06:59] Yes.

[00:07:01] Welcome back, Cam.

[00:07:03] But now he's talking to you about like, hey, I feel like Leah and Mackenzie could be pretty valuable for us. It's like, yeah, yep. And so, you know, you start really, I think, connecting with really the two of them to some degree, but, but, you know, certainly Mackenzie. And then it really gets locked in the following week. But you're doing that work. You're keeping yourself safe.

[00:07:31] You're staying off the block. Cam wins the veto, which is even better for you, which means he's now not in danger as well. And all of a sudden it's one of Angela, Mackenzie or Tucker that leaves. As long as Mackenzie doesn't go like, this is a fantastic week for you.

[00:07:50] Um, and so, uh, there's all of this talk about Angela versus Mackenzie, uh, you know, and, and where that could have gone and Quinn's trying to push in one direction, but ultimately, uh, Tucker loses and you get this shot at, at, at Tucker. Um, and this is really like the rise to prominence, uh, of you in the game. Like it was a short amount of time down there at the bottom. Um, and do you quickly, cause literally like,

[00:08:20] like in, in terms of our ratings too, it was like, um, you know, you have this week where you're on the block, uh, and then the following week you are the highest rated player.

[00:08:30] That's crazy to me. That's insane. That's so crazy to hear. Glad to hear it. Uh, that's wild. That's why, because of the history of the people who left right after their HOH the week after.

[00:08:43] Uh, so it's, it's cool to see that I was, you know, positioned really well after mine, after being on the block.

[00:08:51] Um, so a large part of that is Tucker volunteers for the block. He loses the veto. Um, and he's on the block. And for a while it was like, obviously there's, there's gotta be some talks about taking out Tucker, but yeah, they'd have to be very careful about it.

[00:09:04] And there were Angela starts having conversations and it gets blown up because it's Angela. Um, and, uh, and Angela turning on Tucker alone was like, Whoa, like what's happening here? Um, and then I was like, well, of course it's Angela.

[00:09:22] Yeah. So, um, then you have this conversation with Quinn and it, it becomes clear that there is a chance that there's an opening here. Um, that if you can get either Angela or Mackenzie, you will have the votes to take out Tucker. Um, if he stays on the block, but you obviously have to be very careful about it because this guy wins a bunch of competitions. So, uh, walk me through the, the Tucker flip.

[00:09:48] So I was interesting. Oh, and by the way, like I'll go longer than two and a half hours to get through this, uh, cause there's a lot, but Tucker. So I learned early on that premature conversations could be a detriment. So I was trying to like, uh, put fillers out there to see what are our options of the three? Like what are our options? And when Angela started talking about it a couple of days before, and it got blown up, I walked into the bathroom with Tucker and her going at it early in the morning.

[00:10:16] And I walked in and rock straight back out. And then I heard like Tucker blew things up at just even the thought of people having conversations that should be had because those arenas are unpredictable. So the fact that Tucker's upset that people are weighing different options was crazy to me, but I knew that like those conversations will spread.

[00:10:37] So for me, I started to put like minor fillers are out there, but what I recognized early on, nobody was considering the option of Tucker losing nobody, at least not to my face.

[00:10:46] So I'm sitting here, everybody's like, okay, is it Angela or McKenzie? And I'm sitting in my head like, well, is it, what about Tucker? Like, cause it could be, anything can happen.

[00:10:55] So it was kind of frustrating to me that nobody considered that option. And I understand he was a comp beast, but I also understand big brother and you can't win everything at some point.

[00:11:07] Something's going to break down. So, uh, nobody was considering the option. And then I remember, I think Leah was taking a shower and I was like, Hey, how are you feeling? And she just like, I said, how are you feeling about Angela and McKenzie?

[00:11:17] And she pretty much was hinting about, you know, Angela staying safe. But then I was like, what about Tucker? And all she said was like, I'm scared. I'm scared. Like would not talk to me about it.

[00:11:29] Went to other people would not talk to me about it. I'm like, okay, everybody's afraid. How could I, when is the right time to really kick it into gear?

[00:11:39] We had a halfway mark party the day before eviction. Uh, Quinn and I were like wanting to talk for a couple of days. Uh, cause we hadn't really talked since the blowup of our alliance.

[00:11:51] So I, I wanted to clear the air with Quinn and then Quinn wanted to talk to me. So I think it was before the party. It was before the party.

[00:11:59] Quinn pulls me aside and he's like, let's go have our chat finally. So go upstairs, we're chopping it up.

[00:12:04] And, uh, we start talking about the potential eviction the next day. And I'm like, well, with Angela and McKenzie here, my thoughts.

[00:12:13] And I was like, well, with Tucker, Quinn said, everybody's afraid. I said, thank you. Thank you for admitting everybody's being like weak sauce in this house and not wanting to play big brother.

[00:12:25] So finally, I, in that moment, a level of trust was built between Quinn and I, because I'm like, okay, this is the only person that is finally willing to have this conversation, this extensive conversation about getting Tucker out.

[00:12:39] At the, I knew McKenzie, I think I had already talked to McKenzie at the time. I knew I was, McKenzie was going to do what I, what I was going to do.

[00:12:46] So I was like, Hey, we got the votes. We're good. I got McKenzie. And if I have Quinn, all I knew was I need Leah and Leah is going to do what McKenzie is going to do.

[00:12:56] So that's what I knew. So I told Quinn, yo, we got the votes, have my conversation with McKenzie.

[00:13:01] I was, I wasn't as afraid of having a conversation with McKenzie because she's on the block.

[00:13:05] Like, and I knew I need like me advocating to keep her was going to be beneficial to me.

[00:13:11] So telling her I want Tucker out is not a bad thing. So, um, so anyways, I tell Quinn that, and that's when Quinn's like, Oh, we can breathe.

[00:13:20] Like, yes, let's go for Tucker. It's interesting. He, during his speech, when he won HOH next week, took credit for, uh, the, the, the whole orchestration, but I let him, I let him, uh, it was both he and I that really solidified it.

[00:13:34] But so, yeah, I knew that night before and Quinn got nervous because he was like, she could flip on me.

[00:13:40] She could turn on me. And I'm like, no, I really want Tucker out.

[00:13:43] This not beneficial for me to flip on Quinn.

[00:13:46] And also I wanted to show Quinn that like, you can trust me again.

[00:13:50] Um, I, I, I have been the loyal player to you.

[00:13:53] Like I've been since day two, Quinn, trust me here.

[00:13:57] So, uh, me gaining Quinn's trust back and me orchestrating the Tucker flip was I, the thing that I think won't helped me win this game.

[00:14:06] That was the point for me.

[00:14:08] I knew Tucker being out.

[00:14:09] I had control more control over this house.

[00:14:12] So yeah, that's how the orchestration went there literally the night before.

[00:14:15] Had it happened two days prior to that, Quinn probably would have went and ran and told Tucker Chelsea's trying to get you out.

[00:14:22] Cause he did that to Angela.

[00:14:25] I, yeah, I mean, I think he did it to Angela because he, he knew that it was definitely going to get out that it was Angela.

[00:14:32] I think it was an Angela thing more than it was a him ratting it out for sure thing.

[00:14:37] Um, but, uh, but yes, the flip goes through, um, and this is massive.

[00:14:45] Uh, and, and it really like, I think from here with Tucker, cause Tucker leaving is, is so huge for you.

[00:14:51] There are a couple of major factors from this point forward, things that you do that like really lock you in.

[00:14:59] One is locking an MJ.

[00:15:02] Um, and that's probably the biggest one.

[00:15:04] Uh, the other, uh, there's the other one is like you survive two.

[00:15:11] I mean, yeah, two HH because literally from here,

[00:15:14] there are only two HOHs that you do not control without yourself or MJ, right?

[00:15:20] Like it's, it goes, it goes Quinn, you, Leah, Mackenzie, you, Mackenzie, you, Mackenzie.

[00:15:27] Yeah.

[00:15:27] So, uh, so there's really like controlling Mackenzie means,

[00:15:32] or locking in Mackenzie at the very least means that you have now, uh,

[00:15:36] uh, controlled like the net, like at least three of the next HOHs, um,

[00:15:43] aside from the ones you win yourself and then surviving Quinn and surviving Leah

[00:15:47] were like the two big hurdles to get over.

[00:15:50] Um, you weren't in a ton of danger with Quinn,

[00:15:53] but like he could have done damage to your structure here.

[00:15:57] Um, and should have, uh,

[00:16:00] uh, because he obviously in many different ways, uh, kind of messes up this HOH.

[00:16:04] Um, you do well to like retain his loyalty because of what you did for him in taking out

[00:16:12] Tucker, basically.

[00:16:13] That's how he feels.

[00:16:14] Um, and because of that, he kind of like is a little too focused on building something with

[00:16:22] the group that took out Tucker and keeping you happy.

[00:16:25] Um, and, uh, it's funny because for most of the season,

[00:16:30] he was sort of like taking the Pentagon for granted and not like doing enough for you guys.

[00:16:36] And then he flips kind of too hard in the other direction at this point where now he's doing too

[00:16:41] much to help you in particular.

[00:16:44] It felt sketchy.

[00:16:46] I was like, you just, you had me for weeks and then you blew me up.

[00:16:51] So I was like, what, how am I?

[00:16:53] I, I didn't, I knew the moment that I had an opportunity.

[00:16:57] Uh, I, I never fully trusted Quinn after that.

[00:17:00] I gained a little bit more trust, but not a hundred percent.

[00:17:03] There was always something in me that said he would flip or he is not going to stay loyal

[00:17:08] to a five because he, I was traumatized.

[00:17:10] So yeah, when he was trying, I actually clocked it when during his HOH, he was trying to build

[00:17:16] an alliance with seven people.

[00:17:17] And I'm like, this is the remaining.

[00:17:19] And I told him, I was like, you see, he's trying to Mackenzie.

[00:17:23] I'm like, you see, he's trying to build an alliance with everybody.

[00:17:25] Who's not on the block.

[00:17:27] Like this is not, does anybody see this?

[00:17:30] Cause it's giving sketchy.

[00:17:32] Nobody saw it.

[00:17:33] I'm like, I know what he's doing.

[00:17:34] And I don't, I didn't feel like he was really trying to protect me.

[00:17:37] He was trying to protect himself next week.

[00:17:40] Um, so she tried and it almost worked for sure.

[00:17:46] Cause I was, I think I was HOH in the next week.

[00:17:49] It almost worked.

[00:17:51] Almost not quite.

[00:17:53] Um, he, uh, his, one of his big plans this week is to, he recognizes now that Mackenzie

[00:18:00] is very valuable and he wants to really pull in Mackenzie and get close to her.

[00:18:05] He has a long conversation with her the night he wins.

[00:18:07] Um, and this is where it was like, okay, you're not wrong Quinn, but like, if you're going

[00:18:16] to put all your eggs in this basket, you better make sure you're actually able to pull Mackenzie

[00:18:20] because, you know, there are some other people with some strings in her right now.

[00:18:26] Um, and, uh, and ultimately that's what happens.

[00:18:28] And I talked to Quinn about this, but like, uh, you, you just talked to Mackenzie way more

[00:18:34] than he did.

[00:18:35] Um, and you had a bond that, that existed far longer.

[00:18:38] Not that Mackenzie didn't, you know, did, did, did not that she disliked Quinn.

[00:18:42] She liked Quinn a lot there.

[00:18:43] Uh, I'm sure you've seen the Mackenzie, uh, so, uh, they were, they were loving it that

[00:18:51] first night, uh, of the, uh, of Quinn's HOH.

[00:18:54] Um, but, uh, but ultimately it's you that locks Mackenzie in this week.

[00:18:59] You talk with her a lot about Joseph and you talk about how, Hey, wouldn't it be great if

[00:19:05] the two of you, two women of faith got to the end together.

[00:19:08] Um, and, uh, and, and she's also starting to connect to like really get closer to cam

[00:19:15] at this point.

[00:19:15] So, uh, that makes a lot of sense for you as well.

[00:19:18] The three of you.

[00:19:19] Um, and this is where like your end game really shapes up.

[00:19:24] Yeah.

[00:19:24] And like my, where things shifted with Mackenzie, cause all of that was genuine.

[00:19:30] Like, uh, during my, when I was on the block, when she was the only one, like kind of fighting

[00:19:36] for enough, she was fighting for me, but only one really reporting back to me.

[00:19:39] I recognize like, wow.

[00:19:41] Uh, what I miss me kind of like saving her week two and building that rapport.

[00:19:46] It, it benefited me when I was in trouble.

[00:19:49] Uh, so then, and then that next week, um, when she was on the block, I kind of returned that

[00:19:57] favor like, Hey, you're going to be protected no matter what these other jokers are trying

[00:20:02] to get you out, but I'm not like, so we were kind of on the same page and had each other's

[00:20:07] back when we were both on the block for those two weeks.

[00:20:10] And then I finally realized that she doesn't really have anybody.

[00:20:14] She's a great competitor.

[00:20:16] Like, and then we spent so much more time together that like, I genuinely started to really like

[00:20:22] my time with Mackenzie.

[00:20:23] I'm like, this is not a bad option.

[00:20:25] And mind you, she's playing the game cam at that time from my knowledge, cause I'm not

[00:20:30] in his conversations with other people.

[00:20:32] I'm like, cam's just coasting and cruising and she's fighting for her life.

[00:20:37] I was like, I have a lot of respect for the way she's playing this game.

[00:20:41] Let me pull you in because this might be the move because I'm a little sketched out about

[00:20:46] cam.

[00:20:47] I, I, the hardest thing for me, even though he was in my Alliance and he was one of the

[00:20:51] only ones I trusted, I never knew where his head was at.

[00:20:54] And in this game, when you're trying to put pieces together of where people are at,

[00:20:58] there's a love, there's already paranoia, but there's added paranoia when you're trying

[00:21:03] to figure out where in the world people are.

[00:21:06] So with Mackenzie, I never felt like I had to figure out where she was at.

[00:21:10] She was just going to tell me exactly everything where she was at.

[00:21:13] And I'm like, this is beneficial to not just take the final five, but take all the way to

[00:21:17] the end.

[00:21:18] Cause at that point I'm like, who are two people that will take me to the final, final two.

[00:21:23] And those are the people I need to ride or die for, because then I have to, I don't have

[00:21:27] to play in a way to survive.

[00:21:29] I just got to keep them close to me, whether I win or lose these two people will take me

[00:21:34] to the end.

[00:21:34] And I clocked that week.

[00:21:36] It's Mackenzie and cam.

[00:21:37] So I chose that's what my, the double eviction was so controversial, but like that was intentional

[00:21:43] keeping Mackenzie was getting me to the final two.

[00:21:46] Cause I knew that she would take me to the end.

[00:21:49] Uh, so that was all strategic.

[00:21:51] I, I, I knew all of that, but yeah, that week was pivotal with Quinn and I just knew she

[00:21:57] trusted me more than, uh, not more than anybody.

[00:22:00] She still trusted Leah more at that time.

[00:22:02] So I was just putting in a lot of work.

[00:22:04] She was still a little bit skeptical because of her ballers Alliance theory.

[00:22:08] Um, did you set the record straight that I was not in a ballers of Alliance?

[00:22:14] I haven't talked to Mackenzie.

[00:22:16] So the fact that she actually spread that was crazy.

[00:22:21] First of all, I am not going to be in Alliance called the ballers.

[00:22:24] Second of all, what?

[00:22:26] That was a shock.

[00:22:27] And I don't even think ballers was an Alliance.

[00:22:30] It was a shape.

[00:22:31] And the player.

[00:22:32] Right there.

[00:22:33] I think it was the ball players or something.

[00:22:35] Um, or something like that.

[00:22:38] That was so dumb.

[00:22:39] I called them the ball boys.

[00:22:40] So I don't remember the real one.

[00:22:43] Yeah, that was a, when I heard, she told me like, are you in the ballers?

[00:22:47] I'm like, no, I truly had not been in a named Alliance since the Pentagon blew up for the

[00:22:53] rest of the game.

[00:22:54] I wasn't in a named Alliance.

[00:22:56] Um, I wasn't like, Hey, we're going to make it to the end, but there was no like stamp

[00:22:59] on it that I did.

[00:23:00] Cause that was just, that was trauma for me.

[00:23:03] But yeah, the ballers was crazy.

[00:23:05] I'm like, come on y'all.

[00:23:06] The ballers.

[00:23:07] Come on.

[00:23:09] Um, I have to imagine that like some part of Mackenzie thought she was infiltrating

[00:23:14] it when she was getting close to you and cam, you know what I mean?

[00:23:16] Like, uh, like I'm getting, I'm getting in on the, on the cool kid group here.

[00:23:21] Yeah.

[00:23:22] No, she was looking for a home and I knew she was desperate for, to be loyal.

[00:23:26] And I knew that because she kept verbalizing that her and Angela, like, I just want, you

[00:23:32] know, I'm just, I'm not working with anybody.

[00:23:34] Like I believed Mackenzie when she said that I did not believe Leah when Leah said that,

[00:23:39] Oh, I'm not in the line.

[00:23:40] I'm like, I, I, I was aware of a lot of alliances.

[00:23:44] So I would hear them say that.

[00:23:45] I'm like, I knew you were in the final three with Mackenzie.

[00:23:48] I'm like, I know these things.

[00:23:50] So I knew Leah was lying to me, but I knew Mackenzie really like, wasn't, she was looking

[00:23:55] for a place to call home and nobody still was picking up this free agent.

[00:24:00] And I was like, let me pick, let me pick her up.

[00:24:04] Like, let me work with her.

[00:24:05] Cause I was not in the lame named Alliance either.

[00:24:08] And I needed numbers.

[00:24:09] And so Mackenzie was, yeah.

[00:24:12] She was wrong about the ballers Alliance, but she, she manifested her own.

[00:24:16] Right.

[00:24:16] She sure did.

[00:24:17] She sure did.

[00:24:19] And in a Quinn spot.

[00:24:20] She sure did.

[00:24:22] She sure did take Quinn spot.

[00:24:24] And, and, and Cam and I did prove like we will, we were also going to show a loyalty and

[00:24:30] protect until the very, very end.

[00:24:32] So it was beneficial for all three of us to stick with each other.

[00:24:36] Uh, and it proved to be true.

[00:24:39] You saw us in the final three.

[00:24:40] So I think the, though it was controversial to some of the other people in the house and

[00:24:44] caused me to be in sticky situations with like Rubina and all of them.

[00:24:48] I knew the probability of Mackenzie winning versus the trio was really, you know, high.

[00:24:53] So it was like, who am I going to lean and err on the side of somebody who's win.

[00:24:58] So I didn't feel too bad, like linking with Mackenzie at the time.

[00:25:02] Yeah.

[00:25:02] Uh, one of the easily most successful strategies, uh, and big brother for like individuals at

[00:25:09] least is just linking up with a person who will win a bunch of competitions and use those

[00:25:14] competitions to benefit you.

[00:25:16] I mean, uh, classic.

[00:25:18] Yeah.

[00:25:19] I'm glad I did.

[00:25:21] She didn't really start winning till like a lot to the second half, but I knew she was

[00:25:25] the first one to win the power up.

[00:25:27] She had won two arenas at that time.

[00:25:29] The girl can compete.

[00:25:30] So I was clocking all of that and nobody else was.

[00:25:35] So, uh, I'm like, let me use this to my benefit.

[00:25:38] Cause I knew if I get, if I get her in my back pocket and she's winning a lot, that's

[00:25:42] a form of protection for me.

[00:25:44] So, and it was, so that was one of, I think my best moves was being like this with her.

[00:25:52] And, uh, you also helped turn the house against Joseph this week.

[00:25:56] Not that it needed a ton of help, uh, at that time, but, um,

[00:25:59] Um, you, uh, and this is a whole segment on the, on the show, but like, uh, you get pretty

[00:26:06] frustrated with him, uh, talking about how he's going to beat everyone in the final two,

[00:26:09] uh, and all of that stuff.

[00:26:12] And, and ultimately like this really puts like, I mean, without this, you know, Quinn doesn't

[00:26:20] make the move he does.

[00:26:21] And Joseph stays that week and chemo leaves and, uh, and you know, then both Joseph and

[00:26:27] Quinn are in the game.

[00:26:28] And, and Joseph is still like, basically like at this point in the game, Joseph is the only

[00:26:33] person who really looks at you as a threat who like recognizes not that Quinn doesn't

[00:26:40] see you as a threat, but like who really recognizes that he needs to be like doing something about

[00:26:44] you.

[00:26:45] Yes.

[00:26:46] Um, and then Quinn after that is like the only person left who is capable really of recognizing

[00:26:52] that they need to do something about you.

[00:26:54] And then after that there's like, Leah is the only one who can do anything about you now.

[00:26:58] Um, and then, uh, and then things shift a little bit.

[00:27:03] Chemo and Rubina did start to wake up a little bit toward the end about like doing something,

[00:27:08] but, uh, but by then it was just too late.

[00:27:10] Um, so, uh, all of this stuff with Quinn, I'm sure you have seen the sick, nasty memes.

[00:27:18] Um, I sure did see all the sick, nasty memes.

[00:27:23] Oh my goodness.

[00:27:26] Yeah.

[00:27:27] Uh,

[00:27:28] Leah ends up using the veto, which is huge for you because it gets Joseph on the block.

[00:27:33] You didn't even have to push that hard for it.

[00:27:34] It was mostly just like the sentiment in the house.

[00:27:37] And it was the only thing he felt he could do to not piss people off like you.

[00:27:42] Um, and, uh, and, you know, also to T core's credit, he really didn't want to do T core.

[00:27:48] Um, and so, uh, he puts Joseph on the block and now this is, this, I think is probably one

[00:27:55] of the most controversial strategic plays of the season.

[00:27:58] Um, is, uh, the, the last minute flip based on the speech.

[00:28:02] Um, because obviously it's huge for you that Joseph leaves over chemo, uh, like great play.

[00:28:10] Um, but really came together at the last possible second.

[00:28:15] Yeah.

[00:28:16] Yeah.

[00:28:16] That was one of those where it's like, Chelsea, what are you thinking?

[00:28:20] What are you like?

[00:28:21] Chemo staying is the best thing for me.

[00:28:23] The speech just solidified that.

[00:28:25] I was so up in the air already.

[00:28:28] The speech just solidified that.

[00:28:29] And I was up in the air, like, especially, uh, even during those two minutes that we had

[00:28:34] to debate, I was like, I was still iffy.

[00:28:37] And granted, I'm telling you, people weren't really talking about the direction they were

[00:28:41] going into the very last minute because of the unpredictability of the AI arena.

[00:28:46] So it's not like I, I, I had a lot of time to ruminate with other house guests of my

[00:28:51] options until it was too late, which is the beauty of the twist.

[00:28:54] You don't have a lot of time to think.

[00:28:56] So for me, I was always up in the air.

[00:28:58] I, I was frustrated with Joseph and I also knew Joseph.

[00:29:03] He flipped his, the majority alliance that he started and lied about it.

[00:29:08] He didn't talk to me for three weeks until he was on the block and until Tucker was gone.

[00:29:14] Then he like remembered I was here and started to talk to me as a person in the house.

[00:29:19] And then, um, I was looking at the structures of the house every week.

[00:29:24] I would evaluate the structures.

[00:29:25] And I saw, okay, you have the trio that's here.

[00:29:28] Um, but then you have Leah Quinn and Joseph.

[00:29:32] That was a trio I was most worried about, uh, those three.

[00:29:37] Um, so I'm like, okay, Leah's he's never in his life ever going to put up Leah Quinn.

[00:29:43] Too sick, nasty.

[00:29:44] He's too sick, nasty.

[00:29:45] And all the other 20 things that he said about her.

[00:29:48] Um, and so he was never going to go after her and neither was Joseph.

[00:29:53] I saw their, their googly eyes towards her.

[00:29:56] And I little challenger situation.

[00:29:58] Oh my gosh.

[00:29:59] Yes.

[00:29:59] So that was interesting.

[00:30:01] So I saw that and I'm like, okay, Leah's not going to be an option ever for them.

[00:30:04] Um, so how, and I knew at that time I felt Leah was my biggest threat in the house.

[00:30:08] Cause I felt like she was tightly aligned with the two people who were going to come after

[00:30:13] me and she had never been on the block.

[00:30:15] So I'm like, okay, I don't feel like she's really vibing me.

[00:30:18] How, if she's not going to go on the block, how do I weaken her game?

[00:30:22] And the weakening her game was not getting chemo out.

[00:30:25] Cause chemo was looking at her sideways, weakening her game would get Joseph out.

[00:30:28] So that became a no brainer.

[00:30:30] And then, um, the speech, I was like, well, this made it very easy for me.

[00:30:36] Let me go ahead and just vote.

[00:30:37] And I'm like, even if I'm not, even if, even if I'm on the wrong side of the vote with Joseph,

[00:30:42] I'm okay.

[00:30:43] If Joseph stays, cause he's not going to beat me in anything.

[00:30:45] So I'm like, okay, I'm okay.

[00:30:46] That's the wrong side of the vote.

[00:30:47] I'm okay.

[00:30:48] Being on.

[00:30:48] I didn't know McKenzie was going to vote that way as well.

[00:30:52] So that really worked to my benefit and made me trust McKenzie more.

[00:30:56] I'm like, okay, we're both really, we didn't plan that.

[00:31:00] That was just the spur of the moment.

[00:31:01] Nah, that doesn't happen on big brother.

[00:31:04] It's wild that it happened.

[00:31:05] It happened.

[00:31:06] And, and that was just like her and I annoyed that week and just knowing Joseph wasn't really

[00:31:11] about me and her.

[00:31:13] And so, and then their speeches really just were, did it, did it in for us.

[00:31:17] I'm like, okay, whatever.

[00:31:18] Let's just vote.

[00:31:19] Let's just vote.

[00:31:20] Yeah.

[00:31:21] And I do think this gets lost a little bit, uh, in hindsight, but like you had, you were

[00:31:27] having conversations about doing this for a couple of days prior.

[00:31:32] Like, it's not like you both were like, yeah, we're always evicting chemo.

[00:31:36] And then both just happened to flip your and change your mind.

[00:31:38] You had been contemplating and discussing for a while.

[00:31:41] Yeah.

[00:31:42] That was one that was like this, um, for, for a minute.

[00:31:46] Um, but at the time I'm like, I don't know if we have the votes to get chemo out.

[00:31:51] So I was just up in the air.

[00:31:53] I always considered all options every week in the arena when the arena was still present.

[00:31:58] Cause that's the smartest thing to do.

[00:31:59] Like even out the playing field of who you're thinking about.

[00:32:02] So I always considered every single option.

[00:32:04] That was just a part of the game that I played.

[00:32:06] So yes, Joseph was a huge, uh, consideration for it at the same time.

[00:32:11] That was one where I was like, ah, in early on, I didn't really care because like Joseph

[00:32:16] staying doesn't necessarily hurt me cause I can beat him.

[00:32:19] But as time went on, I'm like, the more I think about this, I have to weaken the game

[00:32:24] of people who are the most threats to me.

[00:32:26] And Joseph became way easier to consider towards the end.

[00:32:30] Then this, I was still unaware of what everybody was doing.

[00:32:33] Then the speeches, I was like, ah, well, I know what I'm doing.

[00:32:36] This is very easy for me, but it was always a topic of conversation, but I was never solidified

[00:32:41] on who I was going to vote for until that moment.

[00:32:43] And did you, did you recognize at the time, because basically one of the reasons, because

[00:32:49] there, there is an argument that could be made, which is like taking out chemo makes sense because

[00:32:53] he's part of a trio at the final 10.

[00:32:56] And if he survives, then he's part of a trio at the final nine.

[00:32:59] And that's really dangerous.

[00:32:59] Um, but we knew specifically for you that like, as long as T core is in the game, chemo

[00:33:08] and Rubino will never turn on you.

[00:33:10] We'll never do anything against you, but I don't know how much you knew that at the time.

[00:33:15] I was aware of that.

[00:33:16] So when I looked at the structure, a lot of what I did every, every week, I would evaluate

[00:33:22] what are people's hierarchy and relationships?

[00:33:25] Cause I realized that this, this season people really voted based on like, like a, like ability

[00:33:32] a lot of the times, not necessarily what was like the smartest thing for them.

[00:33:36] So I knew we had a, the remaining players were a little bit more emotionally led with how

[00:33:41] they vote.

[00:33:42] And I knew that flip of Rubino's week, like, okay, I'm dealing with some players that will

[00:33:46] make decisions based on who they like, not necessarily the best for their game.

[00:33:50] So I was looking at my relationship with the trio versus everybody else's relationship

[00:33:55] with them.

[00:33:56] And I'm though I'm not in the trio.

[00:33:58] I'm, I was kind of like, I was very close to being to all three of them versus who everybody

[00:34:06] else that was remaining.

[00:34:07] So though the power structure was a threat to everybody else in the house, so long as

[00:34:12] T-Core was here with them, they're not necessarily a direct threat to me.

[00:34:17] And then them staying, them three staying in here allowed everybody else to not look at

[00:34:21] me, but to look at them.

[00:34:23] So on both ends, I was stuck in the middle and that was the best position.

[00:34:27] So the longer the trio was there, the better it was for my game.

[00:34:30] And that wasn't true for everybody in the house, but it was true for me.

[00:34:34] Yeah, exactly.

[00:34:34] Exactly.

[00:34:35] Exactly.

[00:34:35] That's exactly how we saw it.

[00:34:36] And, and very, very Vanessa, I think to sort of use a trio as a shield, but honestly better

[00:34:44] than Vanessa in the sense that like you had that trio locked down, whereas Vanessa was

[00:34:49] always in a little bit of a battle with her.

[00:34:52] Yes.

[00:34:53] So relationally, like I had, I had it locked down with a trio ever since I've mended the

[00:34:57] relationship with Rubina after my, the Cedric stuff.

[00:35:00] So, and then Kimo and I never really had beef and Tico and I were always close.

[00:35:05] And so, and I spent time with them more than any, more than like a lot of the house guests.

[00:35:09] So, and so, yeah, I was like them staying around is like, eventually the number thing

[00:35:15] will be a problem, but it's not now.

[00:35:18] And there are three numbers for me.

[00:35:20] So let's keep them around and then let everybody else go after them, which was my strategy going

[00:35:26] into Leah's week.

[00:35:27] Like, let me now capitalize on that.

[00:35:29] Yes.

[00:35:29] Um, and, uh, I found it to be a very funny situation with Cam this week where like basically

[00:35:36] the entire week he was just like, listen, I don't care who leaves.

[00:35:42] Just tell me.

[00:35:43] I just want to be on the right side of the boat.

[00:35:46] Oh, I felt so, I cried.

[00:35:49] I felt so bad because that wasn't my intention.

[00:35:52] But after like the, the two minutes that auntie Julie gave us, I'm thinking Cam read

[00:35:57] the room and this is going to, you know, I thought he was like, this was going to be,

[00:36:02] okay.

[00:36:03] I'm going to, Cam's going to vote with us.

[00:36:04] I should have hindsight.

[00:36:06] That's one thing I wish I would have done differently of the whole game.

[00:36:09] I wish I would have just gave Cam like a little wink or been like, Hey, I'm voting

[00:36:12] Joseph out that it was that simple.

[00:36:14] And it wasn't intentional.

[00:36:16] I just wish you have two minutes.

[00:36:18] You're going so fast.

[00:36:20] I didn't know there was so much going on, but I wish I would have paused and told him

[00:36:23] what I was doing.

[00:36:24] Cause that's all he wanted.

[00:36:26] He really was there.

[00:36:27] I know.

[00:36:28] I felt so bad.

[00:36:29] That was such a terrible alliance.

[00:36:31] I was a bad team member.

[00:36:32] I will take, I apologize publicly.

[00:36:36] Well, luckily you, uh, you win the next HOH.

[00:36:39] So there's not a lot he can say about it after that.

[00:36:42] Yes.

[00:36:43] Um, so, so yes, you win the next HOH.

[00:36:50] Quinn is devastated.

[00:36:53] Um, and, um, I don't know if you've seen the image, but like, there's just a great shot

[00:36:59] of Quinn at the end of that episode.

[00:37:01] Just like in, just in tears.

[00:37:03] Uh, great in the sense that like, you know, we're still, uh, uh, finding entertainment

[00:37:08] in people's trauma.

[00:37:09] Yeah.

[00:37:11] Um, which y'all love, but you win this, this HOH and, uh, and this is where really like,

[00:37:21] um, I had been pretty critical of Quinn's HOH week because I felt like appeasing you was

[00:37:27] not the play, uh, uh, because, um, doing a favor for somebody is never as good in big brother as

[00:37:37] putting them in a position, like doing a favor and hoping they return the favor

[00:37:41] is never as good as putting them in a position to have to return the favor.

[00:37:48] If that makes sense.

[00:37:48] Like, uh, yeah, like, yeah.

[00:37:51] Like being like, I'll do this favor for Chelsea by taking out Joseph.

[00:37:55] Then she will return the favor for me is not as good as I will do a thing that might make

[00:38:00] her a little upset, but next week she still has Joseph to deal with.

[00:38:04] Like she's not in as good a position to like, to deal with me, um, is, is how I generally

[00:38:10] feel.

[00:38:11] But, uh, and we'll talk about that with Leah's week as well.

[00:38:14] Um, but, uh, it, it frees you up.

[00:38:17] You are initially looking at, um, uh, you put up Angela and chemo.

[00:38:22] You are looking at potentially, uh, taking a shot at like maybe the trio, maybe, uh,

[00:38:28] maybe Angela, you kind of like you, you think about backdooring Leah for a while.

[00:38:32] Um, and I think like, I tried to explain this to Quinn as best I could because it was quite

[00:38:39] a series of events.

[00:38:40] Um, but I would love to hear from you.

[00:38:42] Okay.

[00:38:43] The, the series of events that starts with, because after McKenzie wins and we'll talk

[00:38:49] about Otev, but after McKenzie wins Otev, um, you guys lock in on, uh, on chemo, uh, as

[00:39:00] like the target.

[00:39:02] Um, and you're like, we're definitely not using this veto.

[00:39:06] And then Angela, it's either the next morning or the following morning, um, comes up to you

[00:39:13] says, Hey, I need to tell you, uh, I have another number one to betray.

[00:39:18] Uh, Leah has been working with, she's, she's conspiring with Quinn and they're working with

[00:39:23] the trio.

[00:39:23] Um, and, um, and it seems as though you, you know, you talk to cam and you, you do kind

[00:39:29] of both agree like, um, this, it feels like she's telling the truth.

[00:39:33] And then you kind of quickly realize, no, she's not telling what am I thinking?

[00:39:39] Um, and it goes to, okay, well we need to target Leah.

[00:39:42] Well, wait a minute.

[00:39:43] Why don't we just target Quinn?

[00:39:45] So, uh, so that's my kind of perspective is that like, because of Angela's information,

[00:39:50] it kind of got you thinking, made you realize maybe I should go back to my Leah plan.

[00:39:54] And then after you thought about the Leah plan, you were like, well, if Quinn's a better competitor

[00:39:58] and you have McKenzie and, uh, and, um, cam feeling like, yeah, he's a better physical

[00:40:03] competitor.

[00:40:04] We can beat Leah more easily than we might as well do Quinn.

[00:40:06] And that it sort of just like happened like that, like kind of just like, it kind of just

[00:40:11] popped up into existence out of nowhere.

[00:40:14] Thank you to Angela.

[00:40:15] It sure did because it was originally the, I was tossing up the idea of Kimo Kimo and

[00:40:22] Angela had, I think been, they are already been on the block that week before.

[00:40:26] So at this point they're expendable.

[00:40:27] So I'm like, okay, that's not additional blood, which is fine.

[00:40:30] I had already put up Angela before, you know, par for the course and Kimo, um, was also the

[00:40:36] safest option for me.

[00:40:37] You told Angela, she was the tailor of the season.

[00:40:39] The tailor.

[00:40:40] I sure did.

[00:40:41] I sure.

[00:40:42] I was partly like trying to be like, yo, Angela use this because if you're the pawn, the

[00:40:48] perpetual pawn, it's getting you far.

[00:40:50] So just take it and be quiet.

[00:40:52] Uh, but I knew she wasn't going to go far, but that was just trying to get Angela to just,

[00:40:56] you know, calm down a little bit in the house.

[00:40:59] Um, cause her on the block was really difficult for Angela on the block versus Angela off the

[00:41:04] block, two different people.

[00:41:05] So originally I was up in the air about Kimo and Angela, but then I'm also in the back.

[00:41:10] So my, the Kimo thing was, I was trying to make amends with Cam.

[00:41:14] Like, Hey, if you feel like Kimo is your biggest threat and I just kept him in and now there's

[00:41:19] some distrust.

[00:41:21] Like, I want to show you that I am considering you in this game and putting Kimo up and we'll

[00:41:26] figure out what that looks like.

[00:41:27] The Kimo cam thing was so funny.

[00:41:30] And then, and then all of a sudden lived in Cam's head for so long, which was so great.

[00:41:34] Like, what do you have to be worried about?

[00:41:36] How does Kimo?

[00:41:36] And then, um, and then all of a sudden Cam was going hard in the paint to get Quinn or

[00:41:40] Leah out.

[00:41:41] And I'm like, well, I just put Kimo up for, I'm confused.

[00:41:46] So the Kimo thing really was to mend things for Cam.

[00:41:49] Cause I knew I lost distrust and he was my biggest priority and making sure he trusted me.

[00:41:54] Um, but then when he's going hard in the paint, when we hear about this Alliance thing, camp,

[00:42:02] Cam really clocks in, well, let's Quinn or Leah.

[00:42:06] Uh, and he starts to go hard in the paint and then it starts to get me thinking like,

[00:42:10] that's actually really smart.

[00:42:12] The trio was good with me.

[00:42:13] Them staying is protection for me.

[00:42:15] And, um, if Cam's okay with it, that's even better.

[00:42:18] And then between Quinn and Leah, Leah had not won anything.

[00:42:23] Oh, she had only won one veto.

[00:42:25] Uh, and then Quinn had won one HOH.

[00:42:27] But I'm like, in my head, if you watch big brother, the later the seasons get, uh, the

[00:42:33] more physical the competitions get.

[00:42:35] So I'm like, if I'm thinking about in game, I have to start thinking physicality.

[00:42:41] Quinn is the better option.

[00:42:42] And I never trusted him.

[00:42:44] And for me, I didn't never fully trusted him.

[00:42:46] And for me in the game, I'm like, well, the whole return, the favorite thing.

[00:42:50] I never played that way.

[00:42:51] I'm like, I, this is probably my only time to take a shot at one of the two.

[00:42:56] So I don't want to not take the shot this week and then regret it.

[00:43:00] So I rather risk taking the shot, knowing that the house was going to probably go where

[00:43:08] I asked them to go by the time in the game.

[00:43:10] I'm like, I think Quinn is a good option to get him out.

[00:43:13] So that's what we did.

[00:43:15] That was very, and well, then Otev.

[00:43:19] Well, I assume that like the reason, because like, I think the biggest jump is like, you'd

[00:43:25] been talking about Leah for so long and then out of nowhere, Quinn popped up as an option.

[00:43:28] If I had to like guess, my guess would be that he became an option at that point because

[00:43:36] over the previous days, he made it more and more and more clear that he was unwilling

[00:43:41] to drop Leah from his alliance proposals.

[00:43:45] And so if you took the shot at Leah, you'd be pissing him off anyway.

[00:43:49] Yes.

[00:43:49] And so you felt like you were losing both by taking the shot one way or the other.

[00:43:52] And that's part of why he was then in consideration.

[00:43:55] That is 100% true.

[00:43:56] And you're reminding me of a conversation.

[00:43:58] So I didn't feel like at the time I had the votes to get Leah out with where Leah stood

[00:44:02] at the house.

[00:44:02] I hadn't really read her and her relationship with the house.

[00:44:06] It wasn't until really after Janky World that people were very vocal about Leah.

[00:44:13] So prior to that, Leah was still under the radar, hadn't been on the block.

[00:44:16] And so I'm like, if I put her up on the block, that's crazy out of the blue.

[00:44:21] Quinn, that would be insane.

[00:44:22] And then he'd still be here next week.

[00:44:24] And he has the ability to win an HOH more than a lot of the other house guests.

[00:44:29] So I'm like, OK, that's not smart to get Leah out because I feel like she still may stay.

[00:44:35] And I have both of them against me.

[00:44:37] So then Leah comes up to the HOH room.

[00:44:40] I'm skipping ahead, but this will get me to why I considered Quinn.

[00:44:44] And she's kind of like throwing Quinn under the bus yet again.

[00:44:47] And I have since Pentagon days warned Quinn over and over again about Leah dogging him.

[00:44:53] And I'm glad that you were very clear with him in here.

[00:44:56] Because people, let me just tell you, there were some stans out there, not Chelsea stans,

[00:45:00] who hated me for being really honest about kind of the Quinn and Leah thing.

[00:45:04] And I was just reiterating stuff that I heard.

[00:45:06] So that's all I'm going to say about that.

[00:45:08] But I had told him for weeks, yo, might not want to trust that.

[00:45:12] Yo, I don't think she has your best interest.

[00:45:14] And I'm still trying to have Quinn's back.

[00:45:16] So then when yet again, she's kind of just like throwing and like Quinn is like dispensable

[00:45:22] to her.

[00:45:23] I'm like, OK, I can use this to finally get Quinn.

[00:45:27] When after Otev, we can go back to it.

[00:45:30] After Otev happens, we're rushing conversations to do the renom.

[00:45:36] But I literally, it's earlier than expected.

[00:45:38] So we have like 10 minutes to get ready.

[00:45:42] Quinn comes upstairs and he's breathing all heavy and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:45:45] And that's when I tell him, hey, like, I don't, I kind of tell him, why are you trying to defend

[00:45:50] somebody who so easily is willing to throw you out?

[00:45:54] Like on the priority scale, he still prioritized Leah when she had done way more against his

[00:46:02] game than I had ever done.

[00:46:04] At that point, Quinn should be trusting me, to be honest.

[00:46:07] I'm like, what are you diving?

[00:46:09] I haven't dogged your game.

[00:46:11] So I'm so frustrated with Quinn.

[00:46:13] That's why I put him up because she would, she could stab Quinn in the back and he would

[00:46:18] turn around and say, thank you.

[00:46:19] So that's when I was like, she is your priority and not saying I wasn't other people's priority,

[00:46:24] but he would, he would do anything for that girl.

[00:46:28] And I knew they were my, the only two I had to worry about.

[00:46:31] So I was like, oh, that's easy.

[00:46:32] At that point, I'm like, all Quinn had to do was say he didn't trust Leah and I would

[00:46:36] have kept him.

[00:46:37] That's all he had to say.

[00:46:39] All he had to say was, right.

[00:46:40] I see it.

[00:46:41] I'm clocking it.

[00:46:42] It's not the right time, but eventually I'll go after Leah.

[00:46:45] Had he done that, I would have put Leah up on the block.

[00:46:48] And that is the a hundred percent truth, but he wouldn't do it.

[00:46:51] That's that is what I felt at the time.

[00:46:53] Yeah.

[00:46:53] It's a, yeah.

[00:46:54] He, I like what you said about stabbing him in the back and turning around.

[00:46:57] He would turn around and say, you know what?

[00:46:59] That was a great stab.

[00:47:01] The word phenomenal comes to mind.

[00:47:04] You know what?

[00:47:05] That was pretty sick, nasty.

[00:47:08] For me, I'm like, I wanted Quinn to be so much better than he was in that game.

[00:47:12] And I'm like the fact that he just was so unaware of his placement in the house and unaware

[00:47:18] of Leah that he had goggles on for her.

[00:47:22] And that was detrimental to my relationship with him and the priority level that was with

[00:47:27] him.

[00:47:27] So I said, he is the better option.

[00:47:29] That was the moment.

[00:47:30] I'm telling you, if that converse, he would have lasted way longer in the game.

[00:47:35] Had he just been like, you're right, Chelsea.

[00:47:37] I see it.

[00:47:37] And he refused.

[00:47:39] And it just made it.

[00:47:40] It gave me joy to put him on the block at that point.

[00:47:42] I'm like, you know, at this point, Quinn, you're asking me to do this.

[00:47:46] Like, why couldn't you just say you didn't trust her?

[00:47:48] So that was my logic.

[00:47:50] You did seem to come to regret it a little bit afterward, though.

[00:47:52] It seemed like you came back around.

[00:47:55] I did.

[00:47:56] Quinn, and maybe that's his superpower.

[00:47:58] He has the ability to be so like, he's just so likable as a human.

[00:48:04] And I love Quinn like that.

[00:48:07] I adore him.

[00:48:08] And so putting him on the block, kind of very last minute without being able to have extensive

[00:48:13] conversations with him, that did mess me up, especially given the fact he had just

[00:48:18] saved me that week before.

[00:48:19] So I was starting to feel some regret, like, OK, I wish I would have had more conversations

[00:48:24] with him.

[00:48:25] But that didn't come down to like, that wasn't intentional.

[00:48:28] We just didn't have time.

[00:48:29] We were rushed.

[00:48:30] So had we had more time, I honestly think, because I was up in the air with Quinn all week,

[00:48:36] even about like where to influence the House to vote, because he was trying to throw a lot

[00:48:41] of stuff at me that I was almost believing.

[00:48:44] So that was a very up in the air thing.

[00:48:46] I did start to regret it a little bit because I wanted him to go really far in the game.

[00:48:50] But as I thought, I was like, this is a moment not to make a heart decision.

[00:48:55] This is a moment to make a logical decision.

[00:48:58] And unfortunately, the two did not align.

[00:49:01] So that hurt.

[00:49:02] I didn't want to see him go, but he was giving me no choice.

[00:49:06] Like, you're still not willing to like, you know, believe us what we're saying about

[00:49:11] Leah.

[00:49:11] Are you kidding me?

[00:49:13] So I was like, OK, you got to go.

[00:49:14] Sorry.

[00:49:15] I'll hug you later.

[00:49:16] That's the finale.

[00:49:17] Yeah.

[00:49:19] Be his wingman.

[00:49:25] We don't really have to talk about Otev much.

[00:49:28] It's just pretty funny.

[00:49:32] That was so terrible.

[00:49:33] And I apologize to all the viewers and production for setting all this up for it to be done like this.

[00:49:39] It was such a great representation of the season.

[00:49:44] I know they're going to have a field day playing this and even editing it because this is us.

[00:49:50] This is this makes sense for our season.

[00:49:54] Doesn't make sense.

[00:49:55] And that is the accurate description.

[00:49:57] So that was miserable.

[00:49:58] Oh, my gosh.

[00:50:00] So after you put Quinn up, this is this is a big moment because it feels like like how you are handling the fallout with Leah is going to be very important.

[00:50:12] And initially it was like, oh, not well, because Leah is in the in one of the bedrooms talking to Angela about how, you know what?

[00:50:25] Screw it.

[00:50:26] If I win H.O.H. next week, I'm putting up T.C.

[00:50:30] Cor and Chelsea right next to each other.

[00:50:33] That's the only way to get one of the two of them out.

[00:50:36] And it's got and I want to get the I want to put two of them right up on the block.

[00:50:40] And I was like, this is also something that doesn't happen.

[00:50:43] You know, you don't actually make a bold move and put up the two biggest power players right now in the game.

[00:50:50] And and I think that's a phenomenal move.

[00:50:53] Like, I think that would actually be great for you.

[00:50:55] Oh, she would have should have done it.

[00:50:57] Should have done it.

[00:50:58] A hundred percent should have done it.

[00:51:01] There's something that gets in the way.

[00:51:02] A couple of things.

[00:51:03] But one is she has a long conversation with you in the H.O.H. bathroom night before or two nights before.

[00:51:11] Night before the the H.O.H.

[00:51:15] And I remember talking about at the time being like it wasn't like they became best friends or anything.

[00:51:22] It wasn't like a ton of significant progress was made.

[00:51:25] But I think I even said at the time, like this is one of those things where.

[00:51:30] If something comes of it, we will remember it because this opened a door and it definitely seemed to because the following week.

[00:51:40] Like Leah wins H.O.H.

[00:51:41] And I'm like, oh, my God, is she going to is this house about to like shift again?

[00:51:47] This is like this.

[00:51:49] I think I called it like this is like the the exhaust vent on the Death Star.

[00:51:53] Like they have found like the one thing that could blow up this entire game.

[00:51:59] Yeah.

[00:52:00] And then right at the last second, she backed out.

[00:52:03] She was like, I'm not going to make the shot.

[00:52:05] And then the rest is history.

[00:52:07] The rest is history.

[00:52:08] And I remember being in that janky world, which was the most traumatic week of my entire 27 years of existence.

[00:52:14] I was miserable.

[00:52:15] But that week, like I was that's when the whole house started to see my level of influence with how much how many times I was being called to the DR on a week that I didn't win.

[00:52:27] Like I was just, you know, I just won H.O.H.

[00:52:31] I'm kind of at the bottom now.

[00:52:32] It wasn't able to compete.

[00:52:33] So you're able to hear who's getting called up in inside the house.

[00:52:37] You're not hearing that stuff.

[00:52:38] If you're not in the room with that person, you don't hear who's getting called to the DR.

[00:52:42] So you don't have a good picture of who's really getting called a lot.

[00:52:45] Like janky world almost like jacked me up because I was up there all week and people started verbally saying like, what is Chelsea doing up there?

[00:52:54] Even Leah was like, it's almost as if you won H.O.H.

[00:52:57] That that started to be a narrative in janky world.

[00:53:00] And I'm like, oh, shoot, this is going to mess up my game because they're starting to see how much of influence I have and how much I'm in the DR actually in the house.

[00:53:09] Nobody really paid attention to that.

[00:53:12] So which they should have kind of.

[00:53:13] So when I was getting called up a lot and a lot of the narrative was about yet, you know, the thought of Leah putting me up.

[00:53:21] And when I'm having these conversations all the time in janky world, I'm like, OK, this is actually like a consideration.

[00:53:28] But in the DR, I said a lot and I don't know if it aired like Leah.

[00:53:34] Is she?

[00:53:36] I have to take a shot at her eventually or else like where I knew we were always going to butt heads.

[00:53:42] But for me in the DR, I was like, if she doesn't take a shot at me this week, she will never have the chance to take a shot at me again.

[00:53:49] And I don't know if that was aired or not, but I said it multiple times in the DR.

[00:53:52] Like she should probably because she doesn't.

[00:53:57] She will never have that that chance again, which is why me getting Quinn out.

[00:54:01] I had the same sentiment.

[00:54:02] If I don't, I felt like I never would again.

[00:54:04] So that was I knew that was Leah's only chance of trying to get me out again because I was not the only way Leah was going to beat me really in a HOH type competition is if I wasn't playing it.

[00:54:15] So beat me and Mackenzie, like there's just no shot.

[00:54:18] So she should have.

[00:54:21] And I was nervous that she was going to.

[00:54:24] And that's why I was frustrated with Cam.

[00:54:26] They think it's because of the whole bed situation.

[00:54:29] Like he made a deal with Leah to keep him safe and didn't consider.

[00:54:34] And he had foreknowledge that Leah was my biggest threat.

[00:54:38] Yet he made a deal that only protected him.

[00:54:40] So I was just further getting frustrated because I'm like, I've won a lot.

[00:54:44] I've won several HOHs where I've protected Cam.

[00:54:46] And now you're going to make a deal that only thinks about you next to somebody who, you know, doesn't vibe with me.

[00:54:54] I felt like, OK, now I'm alone.

[00:54:56] And what is going on?

[00:54:57] So that was a lot of the janky world frustration is like I felt like I was playing this game for Cam and I was getting frustrated by that.

[00:55:06] And he didn't even consider me that week.

[00:55:08] Why don't you make it and then decide let me go on one leg holding this marshmallow when he knew Leah stands like that in everyday life.

[00:55:16] She cooks on one leg.

[00:55:18] She has conversations on one leg.

[00:55:19] Why don't you do that?

[00:55:21] I was so frustrated with him.

[00:55:23] I could be wrong.

[00:55:24] I feel like I remember feeling like hearing about the competition and and hearing about you talk about the competition and thinking, oh, Cam, like through the comp to her and then watching the episode and being like, oh, we just made a deal to stand on one leg.

[00:55:37] But it makes a little more sense with you saying she lives on one leg.

[00:55:42] He made a deal to stand on one leg for a girl who literally stands on one leg for half of her existence.

[00:55:47] So he thought he would.

[00:55:49] At that point, I'm like, there's no way he thinks he's going to win this.

[00:55:52] Stand on one leg.

[00:55:54] His diary room, I believe at the time was like, I'm an athlete.

[00:55:58] I have great balance.

[00:55:59] I'm definitely going to beat her on one leg.

[00:56:06] I pay attention to those things in the house.

[00:56:08] So when he said one leg, I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:56:14] You're like on the sidelines like I'm dying.

[00:56:17] And then in Janky World, you I can't show like, no, Cam.

[00:56:20] So I'm just sitting there all poised and Cam just off the bat day.

[00:56:25] We weren't even in day one of Janky World.

[00:56:27] I'm pissed off at him for now having to make me work like over time to keep myself protected.

[00:56:34] And and a lot of fans that are people I watch the show were like, how dare Chelsea be skeptical about Cam?

[00:56:42] He went hard for her during Janky World.

[00:56:45] And I'm like, he should have.

[00:56:49] Oh, what?

[00:56:51] Yeah.

[00:56:52] Did we forget that like me being in power, choosing to not put him up or anybody like I'm that's a form of protection.

[00:56:59] So it's like, yeah, he protected me during Janky World.

[00:57:03] But I had a lot of times where I had power to do something and chose to protect him.

[00:57:08] So it's been very one sided a lot of that conversation.

[00:57:11] But I'm like, yeah, Cam, because you decided to go on one leg holding that marshmallow.

[00:57:16] The least you could do is advocate for me, for Leah.

[00:57:19] And I'm grateful that he did.

[00:57:21] He really had my back that week.

[00:57:22] As I hear, I didn't get to watch back on it, but I'm grateful he did because he is a huge reason that he deviated the conversation from Leah, from me towards Leah.

[00:57:31] And I'm so grateful.

[00:57:32] Like I could have been a different story without him.

[00:57:34] So I'm going to publicly say like he and again, I'm not aware of the conversations Cam is having with other people.

[00:57:41] So I find out after the fact from my parents, like, no, he really had your back.

[00:57:46] And and I'm because Cam wasn't coming to me saying, yo, FYI, I have I'm pulling that stuff out of him.

[00:57:53] So had he been more it's funny because he did that.

[00:57:56] He did that with Leah and like week two or three where he was like, hey, I'm looking out for you.

[00:58:00] And then she got so pissed at him for doing that.

[00:58:02] And I would appreciate that.

[00:58:03] I was like, just tell me, tell me that you're working on my behalf.

[00:58:08] And it didn't feel in janky world.

[00:58:10] I felt like Cam is now deviating back to like being under Leah's wing now and then and then being under Mackenzie's wing.

[00:58:17] He's he's deviating, deviating back.

[00:58:19] So let me let me just be, you know, eye candy to these girls to stay safe, but not consider me.

[00:58:27] So I wasn't I wasn't hearing their conversations.

[00:58:29] I'm like, OK, he's just protecting himself, not me.

[00:58:33] Uh, so when I hear he's advocating for me, I'm forever grateful.

[00:58:37] He really was like a one day one for me.

[00:58:39] And yeah, I give him credit for keeping me safe that week for sure.

[00:58:43] Yeah.

[00:58:43] I mean, it's a tough spot because like literally you're you're basically trying to you have two main arguments.

[00:58:51] One is they're a trio over there.

[00:58:54] The other is like, you know, hey, I've got you.

[00:58:57] You do me a solid.

[00:58:58] I'll do you a solid, which is like a really hard argument to make after what you just did to Quinn.

[00:59:03] Um, right.

[00:59:04] So I was shocked that it worked.

[00:59:08] Oh, my God.

[00:59:09] Kind of.

[00:59:10] If you don't take a shot at me, that'd be the dumbest move for you.

[00:59:14] And but I did have a great, strong argument in numbers.

[00:59:16] And that and that's why it's like I was a lot.

[00:59:19] That was them being numbers and controlling the vote moving forward was accurate.

[00:59:26] It was completely accurate.

[00:59:28] That was an accurate factual statement.

[00:59:30] Um, that was a threat in the house.

[00:59:33] But what people what I chose to withhold was I was a bigger threat than that.

[00:59:37] You were also in a trio and it was a much more dangerous one.

[00:59:41] It's more dangerous.

[00:59:42] Nobody decided.

[00:59:43] So everybody's like, oh, she went and was like throwing out these random lies and blah, blah.

[00:59:47] No.

[00:59:48] Trios are dangerous.

[00:59:50] I just negated to share that.

[00:59:53] I'm more dangerous than that trio.

[00:59:55] And I'm also in another one.

[00:59:57] So it's and that's what I shared in my jury.

[01:00:00] Like when Angela was asking me that question, I'm like, I just chose to withhold a lot of stuff and really go hard on a different narrative.

[01:00:08] So the fact that that was believed fully or other options weren't considered was crazy to me.

[01:00:17] That was so crazy to me.

[01:00:18] And that's when I knew really when I survived.

[01:00:21] Janky.

[01:00:21] Oh, this is what when I survived.

[01:00:24] Janky world after Angela and Leah won veto and had the power to get me out.

[01:00:32] Now, H and two vetoes, they had they not only did they win both vetoes, but they had they had the power to theoretically because Leah doesn't win that competition thing.

[01:00:42] But like theoretically then reverse and do the original plan, which is you and Ticor on the block at that point.

[01:00:47] They had a second chance.

[01:00:48] They had a second chance.

[01:00:50] And when I when they didn't make that move, I said, I've got this.

[01:00:56] This is this is mine.

[01:00:58] If I'm smart, if I'm calculated, this is mine for the taking.

[01:01:01] And I was so nervous the whole week.

[01:01:04] I didn't never felt really like I had anything solidified janky world.

[01:01:08] I was always up in the air like Leah could put me up, especially because I told her to her face that she was a renom option for me.

[01:01:16] So I was very honest with her.

[01:01:18] Like, this is what I'm considering putting you up.

[01:01:21] So the fact that I was very verbal with her about where I stood with her, I'm like, she has every right and reason to put me up.

[01:01:28] She should be a little bit concerned about me.

[01:01:30] Um, I saw I was nervous all the way up into they both decided to to or Angela decided to use it and Leah didn't.

[01:01:39] Once that veto was done, I said, this game is going to be very, very, very different for me moving forward.

[01:01:46] And it was.

[01:01:48] So that was crazy.

[01:01:49] There is one last kind of challenge here, or maybe not one last, but like one more challenge here, which is that the vote is between Rubina and T-Core.

[01:01:59] Oh.

[01:01:59] Um, and obviously for you, keeping T-Core is better, uh, for a bunch of reasons.

[01:02:06] T-Core is a bigger threat in front of you.

[01:02:08] T-Core staying is never coming after you and is going to keep chemo from coming after you.

[01:02:13] Um, and so on and so forth.

[01:02:15] It's obviously bad for either Mackenzie or Cam because it just helps you.

[01:02:20] And so this is where, this is like the spot where it was like, okay, Mackenzie is here to play because she wants to take out T-Core.

[01:02:29] And if she does this, all of a sudden Mackenzie can become the front runner.

[01:02:33] Um, like just take it out right out from, from, uh, under Chelsea's feet.

[01:02:37] Um, and it seemed like she was, she was going against your wishes for the first and one of the only times in the game.

[01:02:43] Well, maybe not the first, she put it out, Cedric, but like, uh, first time in a while since you locked in, um, and was indicating that she was willing to do her own thing.

[01:02:51] And losing T-Core does put you in a worse spot here.

[01:02:55] It opens the door for a few different people.

[01:02:57] For Mackenzie, it opens the door to, uh, to, to win the game by cutting you and getting to the end.

[01:03:03] Uh, cause she doesn't have to deal with T-Core anymore.

[01:03:05] For Cam, it opens the door because he's also made this move.

[01:03:08] He could similarly do the same thing.

[01:03:09] Uh, for chemo and Rubina, it opens the door.

[01:03:12] Because now they don't have T-Core telling them don't go after Chelsea.

[01:03:16] And they're starting to have conversations like, Hey, don't you think Chelsea is kind of like the person to take out?

[01:03:21] Um, and so, you know, it was a pretty locked in situation, but this one thing still left some doors open of potential threats.

[01:03:33] Um, and, uh, and as you mentioned, like you weren't able to push hard enough to keep T-Core.

[01:03:39] I don't even know if, like, I don't even know if you could have at that point.

[01:03:42] I couldn't because they, Mackenzie and Cam came up to me saying like, Hey, it's, it's T-Core.

[01:03:48] And I was like so devastated because I'm like, and I couldn't show that to Mackenzie and Cam because they verbalized to me that they were kind of afraid of like, uh, my relationship with T-Core versus theirs.

[01:04:01] So they were a little bit kind of iffy.

[01:04:03] And where does my loyalty really lie?

[01:04:05] So I didn't, I couldn't be like, you guys know what I couldn't do that.

[01:04:10] And like, because we are in janky world, there's a lot of things that we couldn't do or really outwardly say.

[01:04:14] And then, and they already had Angela on board.

[01:04:17] Leah was on board.

[01:04:18] And so, and the narrative since Tucker was in the house was at Chelsea and T-Core in a final two.

[01:04:23] So me advocating for somebody who I knew was a really strong social, like social player would only set, it would not set me up well.

[01:04:31] So I could not, and I wish I could have, but it wouldn't be smart for me to advocate to keep T-Core in the house, especially because Angela was writing that narrative so hard.

[01:04:42] And I heard in her conversation with T-Core, she asked why she was like, why didn't you put Chelsea up during your HOH and went back a couple of weeks?

[01:04:51] So I was like, why am I even in the conversation with T-Core right now?

[01:04:54] Like this is, so I started to realize the house is threatened by T-Core and I, this is not good.

[01:04:59] So, but getting T-Core, but T-Core leaving the house, open up the door for like Rubina and Kimo to come after me or to latch towards me.

[01:05:09] I knew that because they just lost part of their, one of their trio members and Mackenzie and Cam weren't really rocking with them.

[01:05:17] Leah just put up and evicted their closest ally and Angela was a part of that.

[01:05:22] So who do they have left?

[01:05:24] Me.

[01:05:25] So I was like, okay, let me use this to, and even I use it on Rubina.

[01:05:29] Like, yo, the house wants T-Core out, but it is a benefit to your game to kind of separate that.

[01:05:36] So I use that as leverage to, to draw them a little bit closer to me.

[01:05:40] So it could have went either way, depending on how I leveraged my relationships.

[01:05:44] But yeah, they had so, the house had so many and should have taken me out so many times.

[01:05:50] And I, I, I am shocked that they did it.

[01:05:53] I am, I am with you guys.

[01:05:55] Like guys, I, I, it's, I, I think it's, it's a good balance that you had to, to align you to walk there because you can push harder to, to save T-Core.

[01:06:11] But like, there's already this, this razor's edge that you're walking on with Mackenzie and Cam where they're doing something that you, that you, you don't want them to do.

[01:06:21] Yes.

[01:06:22] And you want to get them back to a place where they're going to do the things that are good for you again.

[01:06:26] And so you can either try to push there and get them back on board then, but then maybe lose them later.

[01:06:32] Or you can accept it as much as you can and try to just roll with it as much as you can.

[01:06:38] And I think in that spot, it worked.

[01:06:39] I think, I don't know if it was this point and I don't know how much Big Brother Canada you've watched.

[01:06:45] But I think we talked about the Netta and John situation and how there was a moment in that season when Netta had pushed to get her way in one, in one spot where then because of the comp outcomes, it never even mattered.

[01:07:01] And then later, like you can maybe trace it back to that moment.

[01:07:06] John changes his mind about what he was going to do.

[01:07:08] And if she'd maybe just given him that one, maybe he takes her and so on and so forth.

[01:07:12] So like there is like, it was a loss, but like it was a force loss.

[01:07:17] And it benefited me.

[01:07:18] I mean, given the competition outcomes, you were always going to lose that week.

[01:07:21] So exactly.

[01:07:22] And one thing I was like, if there is a trio to upset, which one do I upset?

[01:07:27] I think I'm going to upset the trio that isn't really a threat to me when it comes to competitions.

[01:07:33] When I, the only person that I was remotely like this person is going to win competitions is McKenzie.

[01:07:38] I wasn't worried about Cam.

[01:07:39] So I'm like, I'm not going to upset McKenzie, who has a really high probability of just winning versus Kimo and Rubina, who aren't.

[01:07:47] And if Kimo and Rubina win, I purposely was not going to win Otev.

[01:07:52] If at that time, I think I was like four competitions to McKenzie's like five or six at five at that time.

[01:07:59] Or yes, we were very close in competition wins at that time.

[01:08:03] I forgot.

[01:08:03] But I'm like, the more she wins, the better it is for me because she's going to be seen as a threat.

[01:08:09] So for Rubina and Kimo, I'm like, if McKenzie is still here and they don't have T-Core, I can always spin the block to say, you see how many competitions she's won?

[01:08:19] So yes, T-Core was a loss, but at the end, I'm like, I still keep somebody who can win.

[01:08:26] And yeah, I piss off maybe two other people, but they need me essentially in some ways.

[01:08:31] And I've had relationship where I can build.

[01:08:34] So it was the best, it wasn't ideal for me.

[01:08:36] And even Cam realized that a couple weeks later, he was like, yeah, T-Core was probably a loss.

[01:08:42] I said, I, you know, I couldn't really fight hard that week, but it wasn't a good move for you or for me.

[01:08:49] So it could have been a good move for him if he had a different plan.

[01:08:53] But, but I don't know what the plan.

[01:08:55] He didn't have a different plan.

[01:08:58] That's the thing where it's like it like it's hard to like once, once you realize that Cam and McKenzie are always taking you to the final two, it's almost like nothing they do matters because they're always playing for a losing end game.

[01:09:09] Um, yeah.

[01:09:11] So then it becomes just to give you a window into the analysis perspective, then it becomes for me, it's like the best move for somebody like McKenzie is to mess up what she wants because what she wants is bad for her.

[01:09:25] So it's like, uh, like she has to like make this mistake and then whoops, Chelsea gets caught in the crossfire because of it.

[01:09:32] And that's actually her best move.

[01:09:34] Like, you know what I mean?

[01:09:34] It's like a weird spot to try to like analyze, like what is their actual best, uh, you know, position for me.

[01:09:41] Yeah.

[01:09:41] Yeah.

[01:09:42] And the, her HOH that next week definitely didn't help her at all because her whoops could have been like, oh, let me go against Cam and Chelsea, not go with their wishes to put Leah up and Leah come after me.

[01:09:53] Oops.

[01:09:54] That could have been her oops moment.

[01:09:55] Um, and she didn't.

[01:09:58] Yeah.

[01:09:59] Yeah.

[01:09:59] It was the whiplash was wild because it went, Leah's going to put up Chelsea and, and, and, and T core.

[01:10:05] Oh no, she didn't.

[01:10:07] McKenzie's making a move.

[01:10:08] She's going to, she's going to become the front runner.

[01:10:10] Oh no, she's not.

[01:10:13] Yes.

[01:10:14] That I went into over time and I knew I was like, okay, this might still be a detriment to my game.

[01:10:21] But that was one.

[01:10:22] It was like calculating my decisions of like, how hard do I go on certain people?

[01:10:27] Like going hard on Tucker wasn't necessarily smart because he has a high probability to win things.

[01:10:32] But I'm like, uh, Joseph Leah, that's chances I'm willing to take.

[01:10:37] Cause I have like faith in my ability to, to win as well when I needed to.

[01:10:42] So, but like going hard for Leah and I didn't know, like, and she had just taken out T core.

[01:10:49] So I'm like me, the pretty much majority of the house bar.

[01:10:54] Angela was, was again, bar Angela and McKenzie were against Leah.

[01:10:59] Like they were not about Leah.

[01:11:01] So my argument to McKenzie is just like the whole house is not about this.

[01:11:06] You want the least amount of blood on your hands.

[01:11:08] This is the move.

[01:11:10] It's like the same state Quinn made.

[01:11:13] Yes.

[01:11:14] Didn't tell her terrible move for you.

[01:11:16] Great move for me.

[01:11:17] But I'm like, yo, the house will essentially be rocking with you.

[01:11:20] Cause the whole house is in agreement with this.

[01:11:22] So yeah, that was a really bad move on her end, but the beneficial for me.

[01:11:28] Yeah.

[01:11:28] That was whiplash for me.

[01:11:29] I was, I was shocked that that actually happened.

[01:11:32] I think I was eating like a ramen noodles one night, like talking to the camera.

[01:11:37] Like, I can't believe I just convinced McKenzie to get Leah.

[01:11:41] I was shocked.

[01:11:44] Yes.

[01:11:44] I was the mastermind and all that stuff.

[01:11:46] Like looking back, but like, I was shocked at a lot of the times that I act that it worked.

[01:11:52] I was like, McKenzie, what?

[01:11:55] I can't believe this is real.

[01:11:58] Many people could not.

[01:12:00] I was so shocked.

[01:12:04] I was like, wow, this girl really does like it, but it did show in that moment.

[01:12:12] It showed like, yes, she was gullible to me, but it showed like a lack of awareness of the game.

[01:12:18] With her, with Cam, with a lot of the remaining players.

[01:12:22] The only person I felt like was really aware was Kimo that was left.

[01:12:27] And Angela was like too chaotic.

[01:12:30] Like, so like Angela was aware.

[01:12:32] It was just in Angela's way.

[01:12:33] It was.

[01:12:34] Yeah.

[01:12:34] She got in her own way and nobody was really like willing to listen to any word that came

[01:12:39] out of Angela's mouth.

[01:12:40] So for me, I'm like, at that point, it gave me such an awareness of whoever the people that

[01:12:46] are left.

[01:12:46] The only really one that's detriment is Kimo because he knows the game and he he's I think

[01:12:52] he's spotted.

[01:12:53] They're starting to look at me at that time.

[01:12:54] And everybody else is just so unaware of how this game is played.

[01:12:57] And I can use that for my benefit to get me to the final two.

[01:13:02] So that's what Mackenzie showed me.

[01:13:04] It's like, oh, you're unaware of how jury works.

[01:13:07] You're unaware of how voting works.

[01:13:09] Like it's just a lack of awareness for big brother that I use up until my speech.

[01:13:14] Yeah.

[01:13:15] Yeah.

[01:13:19] So, I mean, it's fairly straightforward in terms of what happens.

[01:13:23] What would you say?

[01:13:25] Because I do like this ultimately was a team effort like Cam also put in work with Mackenzie

[01:13:31] to make this happen.

[01:13:32] But what would you say was like the thing for you that you felt was the most effective

[01:13:38] method at getting Mackenzie to do this?

[01:13:41] I think I won't take 100 percent credit for it because Rubina was also in her ear.

[01:13:49] Uh, Kimo was also in her ear.

[01:13:51] So I think I was the most influential voice in Mackenzie, but I wasn't the only.

[01:13:56] And that helped me because everybody was pretty on board.

[01:13:59] I did play a role in like having those conversations with Rubina, having those conversations with

[01:14:04] Kimo to try to fan the flame that go talk to Leah about it.

[01:14:07] So it's a team effort, but it doesn't happen without you.

[01:14:10] I think it's the way to say it.

[01:14:12] For sure.

[01:14:12] Once everybody was like, oh, Chelsea is like Chelsea's down for this.

[01:14:16] Let's do it.

[01:14:17] And it became like a now a more team thing that I led.

[01:14:20] But I think because Mackenzie was hearing everybody pretty much say the same thing, she was afraid

[01:14:25] of upsetting the house and then not being able.

[01:14:27] Her biggest fear was not being able to play the next week.

[01:14:30] So for me, I really set it up to say like, you won't have to fear if you do the house, what the house wants.

[01:14:38] This is what the house wants.

[01:14:40] They want Leah out.

[01:14:41] You will gain respect of jury if you do.

[01:14:44] If you keep these people safe.

[01:14:46] That is what I think really got Mackenzie like, OK, I don't want to upset jury.

[01:14:50] And I'm like, well, how to please them is to get out the one person we're all saying to get out.

[01:14:56] And it's Leah.

[01:14:56] And then I kept fanning the flame of like, if roles were reversed when Leah has an option, she is going to take you.

[01:15:04] The only person she cares about is Angela.

[01:15:06] She don't care about you.

[01:15:07] So I really fan that flame.

[01:15:08] And I guess like Leah and Mackenzie got into it about Matt or something like that.

[01:15:12] That helped.

[01:15:13] That rubina added that one.

[01:15:15] Yeah.

[01:15:16] Yeah.

[01:15:16] So that go, go for being a help me out.

[01:15:19] So, but that fan of flame.

[01:15:21] So, but for me, it's like, I was, didn't let off the gas with keeping Leah as an option in the forefront.

[01:15:28] I, that was the most tirelessly I've ever worked in the big brother house was that week.

[01:15:33] And I was like, give me three good reasons why you're not going to take Leah out.

[01:15:38] Give me three good reasons.

[01:15:40] What makes you think that Leah is going to keep you safe?

[01:15:43] And the thing that I always banked back to was when Mackenzie was on the block, Leah was going to vote Mackenzie out if Angela was on the block.

[01:15:50] And I, and, and that saved me how hard I went for Mackenzie that week.

[01:15:54] I was like, Mackenzie, let's not forget.

[01:15:56] Me and camp were the reasons that you stayed safe that week.

[01:16:00] Leah was going to keep Angela and her actions showed in how she uses the veto.

[01:16:05] She's a veto win against her closest ally Quinn to keep Angela safe.

[01:16:10] So you really think that Leah is going to protect you whenever she gets a chance again.

[01:16:14] So that was like, and I believed that to be true.

[01:16:17] Now, I don't think Leah was going to take a shot the next week.

[01:16:21] I think Leah was going to take her far way further than me.

[01:16:25] But, um, I, I still didn't believe Leah was going to take Mackenzie to the end over Angela.

[01:16:30] And I really played that.

[01:16:31] And at that time I was going to take Mackenzie to the end.

[01:16:34] So I really banked on like, yo, let's not forget actions.

[01:16:37] Just a couple of weeks ago, your tail was going to be out had not been for me advocating for you.

[01:16:42] And the person that was against you, no matter what was Leah that solidified.

[01:16:48] And Mackenzie's like, oh, you're right.

[01:16:51] And that was the nail in the coffin or the Rubina thing with Matt.

[01:16:55] That was a nail in the coffin.

[01:16:57] But I did a lot of the legwork for that.

[01:16:59] Yes.

[01:17:00] Uh, and I, I like for the record, I think unequivocally this is your move.

[01:17:04] Um, you know, um, but what I found interesting is that because this is your move and, and the fact that you made this happen, um, there's one line of thinking, which is, you know, Mackenzie makes this move and it's a push too far.

[01:17:21] Right.

[01:17:21] The thing you're worried about the previous week, she realizes I made a mistake and I was manipulated into doing this or pushed into doing this.

[01:17:27] Um, and then rebels, but then there's another line of thought, which is, I think what happened and what often actually happens, which is Mackenzie does not want to.

[01:17:40] To acknowledge that, that this was wrong.

[01:17:45] Right.

[01:17:46] Um, and so in order to justify this move, she now is like even more locked in with you and the plan and like everything, like what Leo was saying, like, no, like I can trust Chelsea.

[01:17:59] Like I made the right play, I made the right move.

[01:18:03] Um, and, and look at the evidence.

[01:18:05] We're making it to the end together.

[01:18:06] Like you're so, you're so wrong.

[01:18:07] Like, this is just the way that I did not make a mistake.

[01:18:10] Uh, I am not unaware, uh, of what happened.

[01:18:15] Um, and, and I think this, uh, like, this is one of those fascinating things about watching big brothers that you see this happen a lot.

[01:18:21] Where like one mistake can spiral into so many more because you don't want to like admit or acknowledge the mistake.

[01:18:28] Um, and I think that she knew, I think she knew like deep down it was exactly.

[01:18:33] She kept alluding to like, guys, please don't, please don't screw me over.

[01:18:37] Like, please don't, I just make the wrong decision.

[01:18:40] And I had to keep like reinforcing her.

[01:18:42] No, you're good.

[01:18:43] We got you.

[01:18:44] We're fine.

[01:18:44] This is best for your game.

[01:18:45] So it gave me like knowledge to know she's, she does think she has regret, a little bit of regret.

[01:18:53] Like, Oh, why did I do that for me?

[01:18:57] Did that make sense?

[01:18:58] So I saw that a lot in her, in our conversations.

[01:19:01] I was like, Oh shoot.

[01:19:02] She's starting to see the other side.

[01:19:05] I don't want her to clock it.

[01:19:06] So how do I keep convincing her?

[01:19:08] No, that was the best, best, best move for you.

[01:19:11] Jury will respect you for it.

[01:19:13] And I had to double down on that, but you could tell.

[01:19:15] You could tell she was like, Oh, I think I just messed up.

[01:19:19] But then decided either go 10 toes deep with that and say my bad or stick with, stick with me and Kim.

[01:19:25] And she decided to laugh.

[01:19:27] Yep.

[01:19:28] So then double eviction, Adrienne, you mentioned that this was controversial.

[01:19:33] I'm not sure with who, because I think that this is a perfectly reasonable move to make.

[01:19:40] You know, I think Angela and Kimo, they're both threats to you at this point.

[01:19:45] Rubina is a threat to you at this point.

[01:19:46] Any one of the three could leave.

[01:19:49] And, and I don't think that you should take the shot at McKenzie here.

[01:19:54] You know, obviously, I mean, Cam should, but you shouldn't.

[01:19:58] Um, so, and, and we, I think that that gets proven out by the end of the season.

[01:20:03] So, um, perfectly great HOH, especially being put in the situation you were with Kimo winning the veto.

[01:20:10] Uh, that's a rough spot to then have to pick a, uh, a replacement there, but you know, it works out.

[01:20:17] It did.

[01:20:19] It did.

[01:20:19] But yeah, there was a lot of, well, McKenzie actually had controversy with me after the show.

[01:20:25] She was like, so you did have that conversation with Rubina, like in the bathroom about taking a shot at me.

[01:20:31] I'm like, yeah, but I was, but I was lying to Rubina.

[01:20:34] I wasn't going to do that.

[01:20:36] So like, I, yes, I was playing, I was in the middle playing both sides in my conversations, but I knew at the end of the day, I wasn't taking a shot at McKenzie.

[01:20:44] Cause I had her in my pocket.

[01:20:45] She doesn't have, she doesn't have Leah anymore.

[01:20:48] And that's a great position for, for her and me.

[01:20:51] So I was, I was lying to Rubina at that time saying, and I was trying to get Rubina to be the one, everybody else to be the one to take the shot.

[01:20:59] I wasn't.

[01:20:59] Yes.

[01:21:00] Yeah.

[01:21:00] I was trying to be like with the house.

[01:21:02] Yeah, of course I'm gonna take that shot.

[01:21:04] But during double eviction, nah, that would, that would have been the dumbest thing for me.

[01:21:07] Which, which makes sense.

[01:21:09] Like you, you, uh, I mean, it's not like great for you if McKenzie leaves, but like the whole point is that she's a shield for you.

[01:21:14] So like, you know, uh, like what, who else is, is Rubina going to target?

[01:21:21] She's going to target either at that point, it was certainly going to be either you or McKenzie.

[01:21:25] Um, and so pushing her on McKenzie makes sense.

[01:21:29] And McKenzie leaves there and that sucks, but like you still have cam and now you're less of a threat without McKenzie, hopefully.

[01:21:35] And you know, it's not like the greatest position in the world, but, uh, you know.

[01:21:39] It wasn't the worst, but I, I, I wanted her to go really far with me.

[01:21:44] And she was a shield in like winning competitions, but she was also a shield in having the most competition wins.

[01:21:51] And so people would always, as long as she was there with, with the house guests that we had left would always view McKenzie as the one.

[01:21:59] And she was very vocal about her wins in the house.

[01:22:02] Like, yes, I beat Tucker now in the comp beast on this and on that.

[01:22:05] And I'm like, please keep saying that because you're putting more of a target on your back.

[01:22:10] So keeping her around allowed me to not have to win, uh, cause either she was going to win or she was going to get targeted.

[01:22:17] So that was the best position for me to, for me to be in is keeping her really close to me.

[01:22:22] And it, and it can, as the game went on, it proved that we, I wasn't going to take a shot at her double eviction.

[01:22:27] I had every chance to, um, but I, but I chose not to, I did want to go to the final three with her.

[01:22:34] Yeah.

[01:22:34] I mean, I think, I mean, I think you were one of the only people, if not the only person in that double eviction HOH that wouldn't have taken a shot at her.

[01:22:42] Uh, everybody else would have.

[01:22:43] And I also doubled down on that as well.

[01:22:44] I'm like, I'm the only person that will take you to the final two.

[01:22:47] And that was an accurate statement.

[01:22:49] Uh, I was the only one that would take McKenzie to the end.

[01:22:52] So that also helped in solidifying her taking me even, even at the end when I lost.

[01:22:57] So yeah.

[01:22:58] Yeah.

[01:22:59] Uh, she wins the next HOH and veto.

[01:23:02] This is pretty straightforward.

[01:23:03] Kimo and Rubina.

[01:23:04] Yep.

[01:23:05] Kimo leaves.

[01:23:05] She of course does consider taking a shot at cam.

[01:23:09] Um, and so basically the rest of the season, given the comp outcomes is you just making sure that

[01:23:14] Cam and McKenzie don't take each other out.

[01:23:17] Yep.

[01:23:18] Absolutely.

[01:23:18] Cause I needed both of them once, once Leah was gone and Angela on the same day, which was like

[01:23:25] chef's kiss for me.

[01:23:26] I'm like, Oh my gosh, I can breathe.

[01:23:30] I, and then Kimo and Rubina being on the block was great.

[01:23:33] Cause I'm like, at that point, if it's Rubina, McKenzie and Cam and myself, I feel like either

[01:23:38] one of them, if I were to this right, would take me to the final two.

[01:23:42] So I felt like I was in the best position with that, but, um, but yeah, Kimo and Rubina going

[01:23:47] on the, when, and I was a little sketchy about cam too, if I'm honest, again, I'm not seeing

[01:23:53] the edit.

[01:23:53] I'm not seeing his conversations, but I'm seeing him lose all these competitions.

[01:23:56] And I genuinely thought, no, I forgot about that.

[01:23:59] You thought he was throwing.

[01:24:01] I, I'm not joking with you.

[01:24:04] I'm not joking with you.

[01:24:05] I thought he threw BB comics.

[01:24:08] Why would he throw it?

[01:24:10] Because, because, okay.

[01:24:12] Because I watched the show at this point, he hadn't won any, he hadn't won one competition

[01:24:18] this whole season.

[01:24:18] And I'm like, the only way for cam to win at the end is to make, pull a move and say, yo,

[01:24:24] I didn't have to win.

[01:24:25] And I got to the end and I'm an athletic guy.

[01:24:28] You know, they should have taken me out.

[01:24:30] I was a threat.

[01:24:31] Yada, yada, yada, yada.

[01:24:32] So my head, I'm thinking of all the ways cam would beat me and all the ways McKenzie would

[01:24:36] beat me.

[01:24:36] And I'm like, okay, cam's argument would be, I didn't have to win.

[01:24:39] And I got to the end.

[01:24:40] And so I'm like, is he throwing these comps?

[01:24:43] And then when I heard he took breaks during BB comments, not even when I heard that, when

[01:24:48] I saw that board.

[01:24:50] Why would he tell you he took breaks if he was trying to secretly throw?

[01:24:55] I don't know.

[01:24:58] I was in my head.

[01:24:59] When I saw McKenzie, I really thought I won that competition.

[01:25:03] Did they show my time in the edit?

[01:25:06] I think they did.

[01:25:08] I can't remember.

[01:25:08] I think they showed the top three times.

[01:25:10] Okay.

[01:25:11] So McKenzie and I were really close and I knew I busted through that competition fairly fast.

[01:25:16] I just, they wouldn't give me my time of how quickly I went through that.

[01:25:20] But then I saw, but when I saw Kimo's name up there next to us in the camp,

[01:25:26] I was livid.

[01:25:27] I said, now there's no way.

[01:25:30] So I was already caught.

[01:25:31] Okay.

[01:25:31] So did Kim had to have thrown that because he's not in the top three and that's next to Kimo Rubina.

[01:25:37] And I thought Rubina would even be, uh, if Rubina was even on that board and not Kim,

[01:25:43] I would have been okay with that.

[01:25:44] But the fact that it was Kimo, I was like, okay, this is sketchy.

[01:25:48] Then we go inside.

[01:25:49] You should watch, sorry to interrupt.

[01:25:50] You should watch Rubina competing in that thing.

[01:25:52] She, the drop was just so much bigger for her.

[01:25:55] It was brutal.

[01:25:56] And I felt bad for that.

[01:25:58] Like they, they should have lowered the, the zip line for her.

[01:26:01] I like seriously, when I saw, okay, this is when I knew something was up.

[01:26:05] When Kimo, Kim and Rubina come inside the house after that competition and their hands are all bloody injected.

[01:26:14] And McKenzie and I are like, who did y'all, who did y'all.

[01:26:18] How many times did you.

[01:26:20] How many times did you guys go on the zip line?

[01:26:21] Oh my God.

[01:26:22] So, so Kim was like, yeah, I took a couple breaks.

[01:26:27] I wanted the zip line maybe more than 50 times.

[01:26:31] I was like, he's throwing these because there's no way he should have won the zip line more than 50 times.

[01:26:36] There's only 16 comics.

[01:26:37] If we do the math, the math is not mathing.

[01:26:39] So, and then when he was saying he was taking breaks, I was lit.

[01:26:43] When I told you, I was mad.

[01:26:47] And we got into it.

[01:26:48] I think they aired it in the storage room.

[01:26:50] I'm like, are you, are you throwing this?

[01:26:52] Are you genuinely that bad?

[01:26:54] Come to find out he was genuinely trying.

[01:26:57] Um, but that was crazy to me.

[01:26:59] And I did start to question like, is he throwing these?

[01:27:03] And is this part of his strategy now?

[01:27:05] And if it is, I have something to be a little bit worried about, but he wasn't.

[01:27:09] So it worked out, but McKenzie did consider it.

[01:27:11] And at that point, I was just like, at this point, do whatever you want to do.

[01:27:16] I'm not making the move, but he could be throwing this.

[01:27:20] And if he is, I'm going to be pissed.

[01:27:22] Well, you do kind of, yeah, you do kind of give him a heads up.

[01:27:25] Like, Hey, you should probably talk to McKenzie, which is.

[01:27:27] Because he eventually convinces her to not put himself.

[01:27:30] I do.

[01:27:30] And yes, thank you for acknowledging that.

[01:27:32] Cause like at the end of the day, I did as frustrated as I was with Cam.

[01:27:36] I didn't, I, him going home.

[01:27:39] Wasn't smart for me.

[01:27:40] And so I gave him the heads up in the storage room.

[01:27:42] Like she is considering it.

[01:27:44] As he's stretching his back out.

[01:27:46] Cause he's tired from that competition.

[01:27:48] It's so crazy to me.

[01:27:49] I will not, I will never let him live that down.

[01:27:52] And, and then some of my friends made me watch the eye candy competition where he was stacking

[01:27:57] with the ice cream cone.

[01:27:58] Oh my God.

[01:27:59] Yes.

[01:28:00] Yes.

[01:28:00] All that.

[01:28:01] And I talked to you watching that.

[01:28:03] You'd be understanding.

[01:28:04] It'd be understandable.

[01:28:06] I just saw there's like a meme.

[01:28:09] It's literally Cam holding the ice cream cone.

[01:28:11] I said, now Cameron Sullivan Brown.

[01:28:15] I can't defend you anymore, baby.

[01:28:17] I really can't.

[01:28:18] So, but yeah, that her keeping my job that week was keep Cam off the block.

[01:28:23] Uh, because she was considering it.

[01:28:26] And I knew chemo or Rubina had to be gone.

[01:28:30] One of them.

[01:28:30] And with one of them were gone.

[01:28:32] I pretty much had a clear path to the, to a win.

[01:28:35] And that's, yeah, that's how that week went.

[01:28:38] Yep.

[01:28:39] Um, and then the following week you win final four HOH.

[01:28:43] Um, and this is, this is actually, you're in one of these great situations, um, or at

[01:28:47] least theoretically great.

[01:28:48] Cause who knows what actually would have happened, but like, um, McKenzie winning the final five

[01:28:52] HOH puts you in a spot.

[01:28:55] I think of it as the Nicole Franzel spot because, um, uh, uh, Oh God, what's his name?

[01:29:01] Um, her guy at the time, um, showman's guy.

[01:29:07] Uh, yeah.

[01:29:09] Uh, it doesn't matter, but, uh, he wins the final five HOH, which guarantees her final three

[01:29:15] because he, the only way for him to be safe is if he wins the final four veto, he's never

[01:29:21] evicting her and he will always be evicted over her.

[01:29:25] Um, and so similar situation with you here, Mackenzie winning final five means that you

[01:29:30] are pretty locked into final three because she should be evicted over you in any circumstance.

[01:29:36] And the only way she's immune is if she's the sole vote and she's not voting you out.

[01:29:42] Um, now what would chemo or Rubina actually do there?

[01:29:46] We'd have to ask them.

[01:29:47] There was a little bit of talk, but I think generally we can say that you were pretty much

[01:29:51] locked in, but you win that final four HOH anyway.

[01:29:53] Um, and, uh, and then the final four veto was very close.

[01:29:59] Um, but, uh, cam in the joke, artist, he gets the, he had three, he, or he only had one

[01:30:14] strike to her.

[01:30:15] I think he hadn't lost any and then everyone else was at one.

[01:30:20] And had I thought that he was gonna, I probably would have stayed in that competition.

[01:30:25] Cause I threw that one.

[01:30:26] Cause I was, I didn't want to be the sole vote to evict.

[01:30:29] I was thinking a jury at that time.

[01:30:30] So I'm like, okay, as we're being is the only one that might consider me.

[01:30:34] So I'm going to stay in as so long as we're being is out.

[01:30:38] And that's exactly what I did.

[01:30:39] And I was just chilling from there, but I was like, cam, this is just, this is one that

[01:30:43] you should have won.

[01:30:44] And who's, who's to say what cam, I think he probably would have taken McKenzie out.

[01:30:49] That's what you're saying he was going to do.

[01:30:51] Yeah.

[01:30:51] Yeah.

[01:30:52] So, which wasn't necessarily bad for me, um, because I had confidence in beating Rubina

[01:30:58] and in any type of HOH comp at the end.

[01:31:01] And I knew cam was going to take me.

[01:31:03] So I felt like either way, other way it went, I was in a good position, but it would have

[01:31:06] been more smooth sailing for cam to, to win that veto.

[01:31:10] And he didn't.

[01:31:11] And I was like, okay.

[01:31:12] I think like, I'd have to talk to cam.

[01:31:15] My understanding of his general end game plan was he wanted to evict McKenzie there.

[01:31:22] And then he felt like he'd have a shot against you because he's actually made some kind of

[01:31:26] big mate play.

[01:31:27] And then once he lost that comp, I feel like he kind of was like, I've lost the game.

[01:31:36] I do think he felt that as well.

[01:31:38] And I think if he would have won the final HOH comps, like part one and part three, he

[01:31:44] could have redeemed himself.

[01:31:45] And it's like, yo, I haven't won since day 45.

[01:31:48] And then I won when I needed to, which is the very end.

[01:31:50] And then he gets to choose who comes to the end.

[01:31:52] So I just think, and that goes back to like, uh, and Cam will be finally saying this, but

[01:31:56] lack of awareness of the game.

[01:31:59] Cause you could spin the block.

[01:32:01] However you want, you can formulate how, whatever story you want to tell jury.

[01:32:06] And he could have, he could have won those last two HOHs, but I just don't, I think his

[01:32:10] confidence was a little.

[01:32:12] Yeah.

[01:32:12] I mean, from what Quinn said, it was, it was probably going to be too little too late regardless.

[01:32:16] Too late regardless.

[01:32:17] Yeah.

[01:32:17] Well, Quinn was going hard for me and jury.

[01:32:19] I heard, which I appreciate, but yeah, he, his head was out of the game after that last

[01:32:24] veto.

[01:32:25] It was bad.

[01:32:25] There were definitely, you know, it was not, it didn't feel like, I mean, I think we all

[01:32:29] thought he probably, so basically the conversation at the end of the game was basically since, since

[01:32:36] Quinn left and then, and then Leah didn't take the shot.

[01:32:38] It was like, okay, how does Chelsea lose became the analysis because how you won is like everything

[01:32:44] else.

[01:32:45] Um, and so, uh, for a little while, it seemed like Cam was flirting with the idea of what

[01:32:52] if I took chemo or Rubina to the end?

[01:32:54] Um, and there was like some hints here and there from conversations in the house and from

[01:33:01] diary rooms of like, I might be willing to, to cut Chelsea.

[01:33:05] I might be willing to make that move.

[01:33:07] Um, now right after getting out, he was, he was saying I was taking Chelsea and I believe

[01:33:12] that like, uh, and so, um, you know, I don't think it was ever too much in question,

[01:33:18] but that was definitely like something that we were talking about at the time.

[01:33:22] I'm like, Oh, is this, is this the, the only way that Chelsea loses the game is if maybe

[01:33:27] win something and maybe makes that move, make that move, which I don't think we were, we

[01:33:31] were, we were riding with each other since day two.

[01:33:34] And like, and I, and I think retrospectively he's like, I protected him a lot throughout the game.

[01:33:39] So I don't think he would have done it.

[01:33:40] I did.

[01:33:41] I flirted with that idea as well in the house when he was fighting so hard to keep chemo

[01:33:46] over Rubina.

[01:33:47] And I'm like, you were so mad at me two weeks ago for keeping chemo, like pissed at, like

[01:33:53] lax trusted me for keeping chemo.

[01:33:56] And, and I didn't keep chemo to intentionally hurt Cam's game.

[01:34:00] And he thought that that happened.

[01:34:01] So I'm like, why do you want chemo here?

[01:34:03] And I was like, that benefits Cam's game actually to keep chemo here.

[01:34:07] So I caught the idea of like, he might flirt with that, but he and I were too deep in like

[01:34:13] playing the game together for so long.

[01:34:15] We were the longest, you know, standing alliance since, or people that were working together

[01:34:21] really since day two.

[01:34:22] So I knew he wasn't going to do it, but for me, the way I was going to lose was McKenzie

[01:34:26] taking cam to the ends.

[01:34:28] Well, let's see.

[01:34:29] That's the funny thing is that like, we were seeing cam flirt with the idea.

[01:34:32] And then I think we focused on cam because from our perspective, what we were able to

[01:34:37] see, there was never any chance McKenzie was doing anything different.

[01:34:40] Like she never even flirted with the idea of not taking it.

[01:34:43] The idea.

[01:34:44] Got it.

[01:34:44] That makes sense.

[01:34:45] Yeah.

[01:34:46] She was going to take me to the end for a minute.

[01:34:48] Yeah.

[01:34:49] Especially after Leah.

[01:34:50] You're right.

[01:34:50] I haven't seen it.

[01:34:51] So I don't know like how people were like, no, I mean, totally.

[01:34:54] Yeah.

[01:34:54] Totally understandable that you wouldn't know that, but yeah, the private moments and

[01:34:58] like, there's never like, you can usually tell if somebody's thinking about something

[01:35:01] and it just never seemed like she even thought about it.

[01:35:03] And for me on my end, I got like dragged through the mud for like, oh, McKenzie was so loyal

[01:35:08] to you, but you weren't loyal to her and all of these things.

[01:35:12] And, um, which people can have their own opinion.

[01:35:14] I don't really care about that.

[01:35:15] But, uh, I, in my head as a strategic logical player, I'm like, McKenzie had the guts to

[01:35:23] get one of her closest allies out of Leah.

[01:35:25] So who's to say that she's not going to make that move again and get me out.

[01:35:29] So that was like, I didn't have full a hundred percent confidence that McKenzie wasn't going

[01:35:35] to literally when, um, that last HOH happened part three and she won, I was, I was nervous

[01:35:41] because she, her speech was like, last week I did something.

[01:35:44] I made a decision with my heart and I thought she was going to say, but this week I'm going

[01:35:49] to make a decision with my head.

[01:35:51] I thought she was going to say, and you know what?

[01:35:53] I would have been like great move.

[01:35:55] I wouldn't have been mad.

[01:35:58] But it's the game.

[01:35:59] I would have applauded her and you know, I would have voted for her to win.

[01:36:02] So that, that's what I would have done.

[01:36:05] That would have been the move.

[01:36:06] So I was never fully a hundred percent confident because she got Leah out and it took a, it

[01:36:13] took some convincing, but she got her out.

[01:36:14] So I'm like, she could do this $750,000 online.

[01:36:19] She could get me out.

[01:36:20] I was nervous.

[01:36:20] I was not fully locked in expecting unexpected.

[01:36:23] I had that in my head all season.

[01:36:25] So yeah, I was, I wasn't seeing her DRs or how she didn't even flirt with the idea.

[01:36:31] All I had to chew on was she got Leah out.

[01:36:36] She will do it again.

[01:36:37] And that's what led me to be kind of cutthroat in towards the end.

[01:36:42] Yeah.

[01:36:45] A couple more things I wanted to bring up your HOH at final four.

[01:36:49] You choose to nominate Cam and Mackenzie.

[01:36:51] I love that play.

[01:36:52] Uh, not putting Rubina up because why choose between the two and show any kind of favoritism?

[01:36:59] Yep.

[01:37:00] I think it made a lot of sense.

[01:37:01] Yep.

[01:37:02] That was my strategy.

[01:37:02] I can't, I don't want to show my cards on who I would really go to the final two with.

[01:37:06] Uh, they both offered.

[01:37:08] So that was easy.

[01:37:09] And then, um, in the event Rubina happens to pull out a win I can use, Hey, I could have

[01:37:14] put you up, but I put two of these people up.

[01:37:17] Uh, so I, I felt like that was the smartest move for me to protect me on all fronts to

[01:37:22] get to the final, to the final three and final two.

[01:37:25] So, uh, that was the only option in my mind.

[01:37:28] Glad they offered, but I was still going to find a way to convince them like this needs

[01:37:32] to happen.

[01:37:33] Yeah.

[01:37:34] Like it's final four.

[01:37:35] The nominations don't matter.

[01:37:36] It's, well, it's a great move to protect our, hide our thing.

[01:37:40] Um, yeah, then final three, especially once cam loses part two, you're doing a lot of,

[01:37:48] um, you know, we know it's unnecessary because you're winning anyway, but like great work,

[01:37:54] uh, that turns out to be unnecessary, but like is good.

[01:37:57] I love to see this kind of stuff, uh, because you don't know what the jury is thinking there.

[01:38:01] You haven't talked to them in two months, most of them.

[01:38:04] Um, and so you're doing everything you can to make sure that Mackenzie is going to be bad

[01:38:10] at talking to the jury and that you're no, you're going to be good at talking to the jury.

[01:38:13] Yeah.

[01:38:14] Um, and, and I wish we saw more of this.

[01:38:16] This is something that Dan did, uh, a lot, um, in his season.

[01:38:20] So, uh, very fun to see more of it.

[01:38:23] Um, just, and, and really taking full advantage as we've talked about, uh, of the fact that Mackenzie

[01:38:29] just doesn't know how it even works or like what's normal or what to expect.

[01:38:35] Um, and so, uh, I think the, I think we talked about this in your initial X interview, but

[01:38:39] like the, the, my favorite one was, uh, like, oh yeah, like your game speaks for itself.

[01:38:46] You don't need a speech.

[01:38:47] Uh, I'm not preparing a speech.

[01:38:49] Meanwhile, you've been practicing for days.

[01:38:51] For days.

[01:38:53] Here's where the not like, here's where my knowledge of like, uh, or my awareness

[01:38:59] of their knowledge of the game.

[01:39:00] It came into play and benefited me because I had clocked weeks before, like a lot of

[01:39:05] these people are unaware of big brother.

[01:39:07] So I, and then that last two weeks or week and a half, Mackenzie was very verbal of like,

[01:39:15] uh, my game speaks for itself.

[01:39:18] I'm the comp beast.

[01:39:19] And she really spoke in a way where she was just like, she multiple times was like, I can't

[01:39:24] believe I'm going to be the youngest woman on big brother to win.

[01:39:26] So she spoke as in a matter of fact, like as if she thought competitions was going to

[01:39:32] be the thing that got her to win.

[01:39:33] So I just allowed her to continue to believe that.

[01:39:37] Yeah.

[01:39:37] Sure.

[01:39:38] And then Cam helped unintentionally because Cam and I, I was trying to see where the jury

[01:39:43] lied or where he thought the jury lied.

[01:39:45] So I'm like starting to have conversations with Cam of like, if it's me and Mackenzie at

[01:39:49] the end, where do you think jury lies?

[01:39:52] And I'm also hinting to him, like, you know, I'm taking her to the end.

[01:39:54] And so he, he told me, he was like, yeah, I don't even think you need to do a speech.

[01:40:00] Like that.

[01:40:00] You have the jury in your back pocket.

[01:40:02] Like, I don't think you need to prepare.

[01:40:04] And then he said, the speeches don't mean anything.

[01:40:06] So both of them are like, unaware that these speeches could really like, you know, shift

[01:40:14] some perspectives in jury.

[01:40:16] So I mean, they normally don't, but it's like, you should still do everything you can.

[01:40:21] Yes.

[01:40:21] But in my mind with our jury, like, uh, I, I still believe bar like Quinn and some bar

[01:40:30] Quinn and like chemo who are aware of the game, this was a little bit more of like an emotional

[01:40:34] jury who were easily swayed in, um, in with words.

[01:40:39] So I did feel with this specific jury, like, uh, they may, they may be solidified on something,

[01:40:47] but then as asking questions and having more conversations, finally, it could lead them

[01:40:51] to be like this.

[01:40:52] Cause that's how the season kind of like played out.

[01:40:54] So for me, I'm like, this speech means everything, especially cause she had 11.

[01:40:59] If I did the math, like if she would have her 11 competitions to my six, how do I convince

[01:41:05] them that still yet I should have won this game?

[01:41:08] So yeah, I did a lot of studying, but also allowed cam and allowed McKenzie to believe

[01:41:13] that speeches mean nothing and allowed McKenzie to believe.

[01:41:17] Yeah.

[01:41:18] You're a comp beast.

[01:41:19] Like, you know, you're winning.

[01:41:22] So yeah, I, I, she started that conversation.

[01:41:25] I, I added gas to the fire.

[01:41:28] Mm-hmm.

[01:41:29] Uh, how annoyed are you that you didn't win the final three HOH and break the HOH record?

[01:41:33] So when I found out, all I had to do was win that competition to beat the HOH record.

[01:41:39] I was so livid.

[01:41:40] I was like, cause I really, at that time, I was just like, you know, uh, if I lose, I

[01:41:46] still feel like I'm fine.

[01:41:47] Uh, iffy, but I, I, I feel like my conversation with McKenzie that night before really was

[01:41:52] just like solidified.

[01:41:53] She would take me no matter what happened.

[01:41:55] And as we were walking up with, that's what y'all didn't see.

[01:41:58] We were walking up to compete during like a commercial break and we're walking up and McKenzie's

[01:42:03] like, you better not flip on me.

[01:42:04] Cause I'm not flipping on you.

[01:42:06] And I'm like, McKenzie, if I win this, I'm taking you to the final two.

[01:42:09] You need to trust me on this.

[01:42:10] So we're talking before we compete.

[01:42:13] So I knew like, I was going to be fine.

[01:42:15] Like we're good.

[01:42:16] But I was so pissed.

[01:42:18] I could have broke the all time record by one question, just one question.

[01:42:24] And I had the right answer in my hand.

[01:42:26] And at the last minute, I was like, ah, nothing doesn't feel right.

[01:42:29] And I changed it.

[01:42:30] You really snuck up on it too, because your wins were so spread out.

[01:42:34] And one of them was like a quick double eviction win that it was like, all of a sudden I was

[01:42:37] like, hold on.

[01:42:39] Chelsea might be about to break the all time HOH record.

[01:42:42] That's like, you know, stood since the beginning of time, basically.

[01:42:46] Um,

[01:42:46] That's the only reason I would go back on fake brother.

[01:42:49] Just trying to break, break that record.

[01:42:52] I was so upset.

[01:42:53] But like, once I won unanimously, I was like, you know, I, that's, I'll take the.

[01:42:59] I got enough.

[01:43:00] All right.

[01:43:00] Fine.

[01:43:02] I'm okay.

[01:43:03] I'll let it, let that slide.

[01:43:04] Yeah.

[01:43:06] Um, okay.

[01:43:07] Uh, anything else from this end game?

[01:43:10] Any, anything else that you wanted to bring up?

[01:43:13] Uh, not really.

[01:43:15] I was, I was shocked.

[01:43:16] I would say I was shocked about the unanimous vote at the end.

[01:43:20] Um, very, very shocked with mostly Angela and Leah and the way they voted, especially

[01:43:25] with Angela's question and how she was acting towards me during the jury questions.

[01:43:31] I was like, this might not be going well for me.

[01:43:34] Uh, I, I, that's why I pushed into high gear with my speech.

[01:43:37] Cause I felt like I was iffy about the jury.

[01:43:40] Uh, so the unanimous vote was honestly a surprise.

[01:43:43] And like, I'm so grateful.

[01:43:44] I would just say like, uh, I, this was, I think one of the hardest seasons of big brother

[01:43:52] to play because of the twist that was in mind and half of the players being recruits.

[01:43:57] This was an unorthodox.

[01:43:59] I had to play big brother in a way that wasn't really played before.

[01:44:03] Um, like my strategy was played before, but I was put in a situation state recruits is crazy.

[01:44:10] And then the arena is crazy.

[01:44:11] Um, what I, what I, what I quickly want to say is that like, obviously when it comes to

[01:44:16] like, uh, judging gameplay, um, stuff like that, first of all, it's all subjective.

[01:44:23] Um, but like, uh, but what I, what I think is interesting about like the, cause one of the

[01:44:29] things I'm sure you've heard is like, this was a season of questionable talent sometimes.

[01:44:36] Right.

[01:44:36] Um, but I think that like what can go unrecognized in that argument is that like, while yes, there

[01:44:44] were a lot of players that like self imploded.

[01:44:47] Um, like that doesn't necessarily make it an easier game for a player like you to navigate

[01:44:55] because yeah, some people are taking themselves out, but like, it's still a minefield and some

[01:45:01] players are self imploding in a way that hurts you.

[01:45:06] Like for instance, Quinn, um, you know, like, like it's, it's, you know, it's not necessarily,

[01:45:12] I really don't think the argument of competition is a good one for, for that reason, for many

[01:45:19] others, considering like, you know, I think that a very good player will often make other

[01:45:23] people look especially bad, uh, and, and things like that.

[01:45:28] And so, uh, just, I, I was thinking about that, like that image of like a minefield and

[01:45:33] how you really had to navigate that minefield this season because.

[01:45:36] And I did, I saw a lot of that.

[01:45:38] I saw a lot of those comments where it's like, well, it was easy for Chelsea because

[01:45:43] the, you know, the players were not that great.

[01:45:46] And I'm just like, well, we also have to consider the argument or the fact that a lot of these

[01:45:52] games were very like equitable.

[01:45:54] It was pretty much an even level playing field for any, for any player and big brother this

[01:46:01] season bar, like two or three physical competitions.

[01:46:04] It was anybody's game.

[01:46:06] So for me, it's like not to defend my game.

[01:46:09] Cause I don't need to, like I want, I don't have to defend it, but to bring up as that argument

[01:46:13] of like, it was easy when, but like at the same time, anybody could have won due to the

[01:46:18] type of competitions that were being played.

[01:46:20] Angela won two HOHs and a veto.

[01:46:22] I think, uh, Angela, like a type of player in previous seasons, like her would not be winning

[01:46:28] multiple competitions like that.

[01:46:30] And she was one more competitions than a lot of people in the house.

[01:46:35] So I like anybody, the power could have shifted any week because of the type of competitions

[01:46:40] that we played.

[01:46:41] So for that, I was, I would be like, yeah, there were some like players that didn't know

[01:46:46] how to play the game, but it presented new challenges for me as a big brother player who

[01:46:51] had studied big brother one way.

[01:46:53] And then you bring seven, eight recruits on top of a arena twist where there's so you had

[01:47:01] the ability to put up four people in one week is just unorthodox big brother.

[01:47:06] And I had to navigate that and to not touch the block.

[01:47:09] Only touch your block really twice the whole season.

[01:47:12] It's like, yeah, yeah.

[01:47:14] The place may have been bad, but that it took a lot of, I literally, my brain didn't shut

[01:47:19] off for 90 days.

[01:47:20] I was in my head for 90 days straight thinking and strategizing.

[01:47:26] So it may look like an easy one for other people.

[01:47:28] Let me just say it was difficult.

[01:47:30] That was not an easy task for me.

[01:47:34] I am still exhausted from the way I play big brother.

[01:47:38] So it was very difficult.

[01:47:39] Nonetheless, like we had an amazing cast, great people.

[01:47:43] Big brother did an amazing job at forcing us to expect the unexpected each week.

[01:47:48] They did a phenomenal job at that.

[01:47:49] So grateful at the season that we had and grateful that I won and grateful Jerry voted

[01:47:55] for me to win.

[01:47:56] So great season.

[01:47:57] I feel like it's easy for me to say because I won, but like, I'm sure the viewers ate this

[01:48:02] up with how interesting it was.

[01:48:04] So it really did feel like a return to form in many ways between the competitions, the twist

[01:48:10] that was actually good.

[01:48:13] And the gameplay, which was both exciting and masterful on two different ends of the spectrum.

[01:48:19] Right.

[01:48:19] So very fun.

[01:48:22] Very fun.

[01:48:22] It did definitely like once you locked in, there was not as much to talk about for sure.

[01:48:29] I can't.

[01:48:30] I still have to watch Brooklyn's like, you need to watch the edit, Chelsea.

[01:48:34] Like it's in your favor.

[01:48:35] But when you were living it, you don't see any of that.

[01:48:38] And oh, also Mackenzie was very adamant, like that me and Kim were not really on the show

[01:48:44] because she was like, I'm in the DR all the time and you guys are rarely there.

[01:48:49] And so I'm like, well, dang, am I on the show?

[01:48:52] And like, is she really the mastermind behind this?

[01:48:55] So when I get out and see I was that person, I'm shocked.

[01:48:58] Like it's not, it may have been very clear to y'all, but I was just, I was dying, like

[01:49:03] trying to make sure I won that game.

[01:49:05] So I can't wait to watch back and, uh, and really see how that was cut and really see the

[01:49:11] influence that I had.

[01:49:12] It's, I'm not trying to be naive or like humble.

[01:49:14] I really don't know the edit.

[01:49:16] So.

[01:49:17] Yeah.

[01:49:17] I mean, it's kind of like, uh, like if you were in like a swimming race and you're just

[01:49:22] like all out final sprint, like just, just in the zone, you have no idea where anyone

[01:49:27] is.

[01:49:27] And then you finally finish and you look behind you and like, nobody's even there.

[01:49:32] Like, it's like, wait, when I got on the block, I was locked in like every week locked

[01:49:40] in.

[01:49:40] And I wasn't looking really to my left or to my right about how other people are proceed.

[01:49:44] I was just like, how do I win?

[01:49:46] And so, yeah, I was shocked at, to see the perception of my game, especially from BB alum

[01:49:51] and how they viewed like BB alum, like, uh, like legends, how they view the game.

[01:49:57] I was shocked.

[01:49:57] I'm still shocked.

[01:49:58] I have to go back and watch.

[01:49:59] I will do that.

[01:50:00] I should have done that before talking to you, but, uh, I will go back and watch to see

[01:50:03] how that is, but I'm shocked.

[01:50:05] I'm honored.

[01:50:06] So cool.

[01:50:06] I, I was just trying to make it past week one.

[01:50:09] Uh, I didn't even think when, let alone breaking some records along the way.

[01:50:13] So that's cool.

[01:50:14] I'm grateful.

[01:50:15] Like what a dream for a big brother fan.

[01:50:18] Yeah.

[01:50:19] Um, anything else?

[01:50:20] Any updates from the post season?

[01:50:22] Like what's life like now?

[01:50:24] Life is, life is great.

[01:50:27] Uh, you know, trying to navigate the intricacies of like, uh, uh, going back into my normal life.

[01:50:34] Well, it's not really normal anymore, but trying to like go back into daily habits has been

[01:50:38] difficult for me, but, uh, me and the house guests, we still keep in touch.

[01:50:43] We're having so much fun outside the house.

[01:50:44] I don't know what's next.

[01:50:46] I'm thinking maybe a podcast in the future, doing a meet and greet this, uh, this upcoming

[01:50:51] week.

[01:50:51] So getting to really connect with the big brother fan base because they are really ride or die

[01:50:57] is my priority.

[01:50:58] How do I connect with the fan base and some alum and really continue to build this family

[01:51:02] is just a dream.

[01:51:04] So I'm trying to soak that in as much as possible until I get to watch next season and see who

[01:51:09] they bring on.

[01:51:10] So yeah, just right in the wave of winning this game and trying to.

[01:51:14] Enjoy as much as I can.

[01:51:16] Yeah.

[01:51:16] Uh, I love asking winners as I think I kind of a little bit asked you before, but, uh,

[01:51:22] now that you have a little, you've had a little bit of time, uh, especially you, where do you

[01:51:26] stand?

[01:51:27] You know, a lot of people after your winter were like, we got to talk about winner rankings.

[01:51:32] You know, we got to talk, we got to do the, we got to do it.

[01:51:35] Uh, what, what, what is your stance?

[01:51:37] Like where I stand, where do you stand Chelsea?

[01:51:41] Where do you stand on the list?

[01:51:43] That's so messy.

[01:51:44] But I'm going to answer.

[01:51:46] Okay.

[01:51:46] I will give myself, I will give myself top 10, top 10.

[01:51:52] Oh, that's modest.

[01:51:56] I've heard a lot of top fives, a lot of top threes for sure.

[01:52:02] That's like pretty insane.

[01:52:03] Uh, which I'm on.

[01:52:05] I'm not trying to be humble, but like, I need to go watch my game.

[01:52:08] No, that's fair.

[01:52:08] That's fair.

[01:52:08] I need to go watch my game.

[01:52:10] I need to go watch the, I need to go see my game versus my housemates.

[01:52:14] And then my ranking may change, but I have not watched me.

[01:52:17] I've only played.

[01:52:18] So.

[01:52:19] Yeah.

[01:52:19] It is also like, you know, it's hard to judge your own game versus like your own game that

[01:52:26] you lived versus, uh, an edited version of a game that you watch.

[01:52:31] You know what I mean?

[01:52:32] Like, yeah, it's so that's what I learned.

[01:52:34] The watching big brother is very different than playing it.

[01:52:38] And one thing I, part of the season, it was janky world.

[01:52:41] The only time I questioned why I did what I, why I went on the show, I was like, well,

[01:52:45] why didn't I just decide to be a fan and continue watching?

[01:52:49] That's funny.

[01:52:49] Cause I had the opposite reaction.

[01:52:50] I was watching janky world and I was like, why am I watching this?

[01:52:56] It was miserable to watch.

[01:52:59] The audio quality was terrible.

[01:53:01] You were just sitting around doing nothing all day.

[01:53:03] Well, let me tell you.

[01:53:04] Well, yes, we were doing that because we were dying and they kept that tarp over us.

[01:53:08] We couldn't breathe.

[01:53:09] It was 200 degrees.

[01:53:11] I felt like I was going to pass out and die all that stuff, but watching it is very different

[01:53:16] than playing it.

[01:53:17] So it's hard for me to know.

[01:53:18] Cause what, what could look like an easy win?

[01:53:21] Um, as I watched the edit, there's so many things that go on behind the scenes that push

[01:53:26] somebody to win like a Derek or like a Dan or like any of these other players who had

[01:53:31] dominant games.

[01:53:32] I don't know how they got there.

[01:53:33] I didn't watch the live feeds and all that.

[01:53:35] So, uh, I, I, I safely give myself a top 10.

[01:53:40] I need to go watch me.

[01:53:42] I need to go watch me.

[01:53:43] And then I'll be able to more equally evaluate my game.

[01:53:47] So top 10 and I'm going to leave it at that before I get a giraffe.

[01:53:51] Well, uh, thank you so much for giving me so much of your time.

[01:53:55] Uh, we had said, we had said roughly, uh, two and a half hours and now we were approaching

[01:54:01] four.

[01:54:01] Listen, that's, that's the trap of the deep dive is that hopefully once we get to two and

[01:54:07] a half hours, you're having so much fun that you, I'm enjoying it.

[01:54:10] I had so much fun.

[01:54:12] Hey, you're phenomenal.

[01:54:13] The way that you break down, uh, the game, the way you evaluate, uh, big brother, the way

[01:54:19] that you dissected the questions that you ask are just phenomenal.

[01:54:23] So thank you for what you do.

[01:54:25] It's, it really is like, there are some people I talked to where I'm like, I don't want to

[01:54:29] talk about my traumatic experience.

[01:54:32] Uh, but it is truly a joy.

[01:54:34] That's why we went four hours instead of two and a half.

[01:54:36] I had so much fun.

[01:54:37] And so thank you for what you do and thank you for allowing me to come and just share

[01:54:41] my thoughts of the game.

[01:54:43] Thank you.

[01:54:44] You know, I, I, uh, I, I do, I do know it is a traumatic experience, so I really do try

[01:54:49] my best to provide as welcoming as space as possible for, you know, for this, for, you

[01:54:56] know, this deep dive therapy session, which is sometimes a little bit is.

[01:54:59] It is no, it was therapeutic.

[01:55:01] I appreciate it.

[01:55:02] Even listening to Quinn's as much as it drove me crazy.

[01:55:05] It was therapeutic to listen to him.

[01:55:07] So, so thank you for what you do.

[01:55:09] I like as a big brother fan, it's, I'm still geeking out about like being able to talk to

[01:55:14] somebody like you.

[01:55:15] So thank you.

[01:55:16] Well, thank you.

[01:55:17] Thank you for talking to me.

[01:55:18] It's always, it's always a pleasure to talk to players like you.

[01:55:21] Um, uh, and again, thank you for giving me so much of your time.

[01:55:25] Um, well, what are you up to?

[01:55:27] Where can people find you?

[01:55:29] Yeah.

[01:55:30] For you.

[01:55:31] Y'all can find me in Rancho Cougamonga cause y'all know I rep 909 hard.

[01:55:36] So Rancho Cougamonga, but, uh, on all streaming platforms, TikTok, Instagram, uh, Twitter,

[01:55:42] uh, Facebook, all that at Chelsea Baham, the first and last name.

[01:55:46] And I try as much as I can to keep people updated on my life and involved in what I'm

[01:55:50] doing.

[01:55:51] So find me online, connect with me online.

[01:55:53] Um, and yeah, let's be family.

[01:55:56] Oh, let me set the record straight.

[01:55:57] This is the last thing.

[01:55:58] Julie is not my real auntie.

[01:56:00] Okay.

[01:56:01] So the fact that I got dragged for that people thinking the game was rigged cause she was

[01:56:06] my aunt.

[01:56:07] No, I didn't even see that.

[01:56:09] Yes.

[01:56:10] There's art.

[01:56:10] Like Julie even had to clarify, by the way, I'm not her real aunt.

[01:56:14] She had to clarify it cause she saw.

[01:56:16] So let me say that was an endear.

[01:56:19] That was a term of endearment.

[01:56:21] I love Julie.

[01:56:23] I was like, how do I stand out and make, cause everybody's like, Julie, you look so nice

[01:56:26] for me.

[01:56:27] I'm like, how do I make Julie feel loved for being an iconic host?

[01:56:30] And so for me, I'm, I'm, I called big brother, uncle BB.

[01:56:34] So I was like, okay, let me just call Julie auntie Julie.

[01:56:37] And it just kind of stuck.

[01:56:39] So she's not my real aunt.

[01:56:40] And I, I leave with that because I was going to say y'all are now my cousins.

[01:56:44] This is just what we do.

[01:56:46] Like I just, I got cousins everywhere.

[01:56:49] So y'all are, if you want, we are family connect with me online and yeah.

[01:56:54] Cousins for life.

[01:56:55] 909.

[01:56:55] Let's go.

[01:56:56] I am desperate to hear from the person who got to the three hour and 53 minute mark

[01:57:03] of this podcast, who just went, wait, she's not her aunt.

[01:57:10] You will get somebody.

[01:57:12] Oh my God.

[01:57:13] And I'm just like, just look like, yeah.

[01:57:15] So I got rain with like, Oh, I knew there was something off.

[01:57:20] Julie's her aunt.

[01:57:21] I'm like, this is what I'm getting dragged for.

[01:57:26] Love that.

[01:57:27] Oh, that's great.

[01:57:29] What a great way to end this podcast.

[01:57:31] What a great way to end it.

[01:57:33] Well, uh, of course we'll have plenty of other off season content throughout the year.

[01:57:38] As we approach the next season of big brother here at RHAP.

[01:57:41] In the meantime, you can find some of the other podcasts I do.

[01:57:44] I talk about scripted shows with on the tastemakers over at, we know scripted TV.

[01:57:49] Um, and, uh, lots of other shows we cover.

[01:57:53] Uh, we've been talking about, uh, the summit lately.

[01:57:56] Which is so crazy.

[01:57:59] Would never be.

[01:58:00] Um, and, uh, you can always find me over on Twitch, twitch.tv slash.

[01:58:04] And I'm sure I'm watching survivor live big brother when it's on and talking about various

[01:58:08] other things.

[01:58:09] So come and find me over there.

[01:58:10] Uh, all right.

[01:58:11] That is it.

[01:58:12] Then that is what we have for you for the Chelsea deep dive.

[01:58:16] Thank you all so much for joining us.

[01:58:18] If you made it all the way to the end and we will see all of you next time.

[01:58:24] Bye guys.