BB26 Chelsie Baham Deep Dive Part 1

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[00:01:26] Hello, everyone, and welcome back to RHAP. I am here today with a deep dive, another deep dive, the deep dive of the season.

[00:01:40] I'm your host, John Armstrong, and with me to talk through her winning game is Chelsea.

[00:01:46] How are you doing, Chelsea?

[00:01:47] I am doing much better now that I'm talking to you. I'm excited. I'm a little nervous, but I'm excited.

[00:01:53] So let's get it. Let's get into this.

[00:01:56] Yes. Chelsea was just telling me that she listened to the Quinn deep dive already.

[00:02:04] Sure did. All five hours in. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. What a ride.

[00:02:11] So I've already taken five hours of her time, so we're going to...

[00:02:14] We are not going to go that long. No.

[00:02:20] You know, so there's obviously a lot to talk about. A very dominant winning game.

[00:02:29] And I think that a lot of people are curious about what your thought process was throughout the season,

[00:02:35] how you managed to do some of the things that you did.

[00:02:40] And then, you know, I'm sure you've been asked a million times, but like,

[00:02:43] did you really switch your vote at the last day?

[00:02:47] Yes. Yes.

[00:02:49] There's a lot of questions that I... A lot of things I like to clear up.

[00:02:53] Yes. Perfect. All right. Well, let's get into it then.

[00:02:57] Chelsea, you were a fan of the show before you played, which is not uncommon for winners, I will say.

[00:03:06] How much of the show had you seen? When did you start watching? Like, what's your story with Big Brother?

[00:03:11] Yes. So I started watching Big Brother around season 10, but the most memorable season was Rachel and Brendan's.

[00:03:18] That's the one where it got really spicy for me and my family.

[00:03:21] So since their season, I've been nonstop every season watching the show.

[00:03:25] Now, I was not a live feeder. I was just a Wednesday, Thursday, Sunday girl.

[00:03:31] Every now and then I pop into live feeds.

[00:03:33] When I find out, live feeds kind of get a sneak peek of the episodes before they come out.

[00:03:39] So, but I watched pretty religiously since Rachel and Brendan's season up into until the season that I was on.

[00:03:46] So I had a pretty good awareness of how the game went before I decided to even apply.

[00:03:53] Did you do any like extra research? Like, when did you decide you wanted to be on the show?

[00:03:59] So I did. I definitely did a ton of extra research. Fun fact, I was actually at one of my coworkers, their kid's birthday party.

[00:04:07] And a girl that was there was on Survivor. And we were talking about her Survivor season.

[00:04:12] She was on season 35, Ali. And her and I are friends.

[00:04:15] So we're talking and I'm asking 18 million questions.

[00:04:18] And I said, hey, I don't really watch Survivor. And I might get like, you know, dragged through the mud for that.

[00:04:23] But I don't really watch Survivor, but I do watch Big Brother.

[00:04:25] And she said, you'd be perfect for that. You should apply.

[00:04:28] I was like, ah, whatever. That was last summer.

[00:04:31] In January, she sends me a screenshot of their Instagram story and says, it's time. Apply.

[00:04:37] So I literally pulled up my laptop in this spot, pulled my laptop, pressed record and talked for three minutes.

[00:04:45] Lo and behold, a week later, I'm getting a phone call.

[00:04:48] And I was like, oh, this is actually I didn't apply with the thought of I was going to be on the show.

[00:04:54] I applied like they're going to see thousands of them if they pick me, whatever.

[00:04:58] If they don't, whatever. Keep it pushing.

[00:05:00] I didn't know I was going to get a phone call a week.

[00:05:03] It was actually not. I got on my Apple Watch.

[00:05:05] I heard a ding and I looked at it and it was from a producer.

[00:05:08] I said, is this spam? Is this real life?

[00:05:12] So I called immediately like, hold on me.

[00:05:16] She said, I saw your video. And would you like to have a chat further?

[00:05:19] I'm like, that's not even a question.

[00:05:21] So that's kind of how my process that was the first time I've ever applied to any type of show.

[00:05:27] So this whole process was very, very brand new.

[00:05:30] And I didn't think that I would get on the show, let alone win.

[00:05:34] So this is kind of insane. Yeah.

[00:05:37] Yeah. I wonder how many people just don't answer their phone because they're like, that's spam.

[00:05:44] Yes. I'm so glad that I decided to respond because I'm terrible with my phone.

[00:05:49] I am so bad tech, even with people I know.

[00:05:52] So I'm trying to grow in that area of life.

[00:05:54] So when I saw this, I'm like, I'm just going to respond and see if this is real.

[00:05:59] And I'm, and I'm glad I did.

[00:06:00] Listen, if you find a way to grow in that area of life, you gotta let me know.

[00:06:05] I'm so bad.

[00:06:07] You should see my phone now.

[00:06:08] It's just not pretty.

[00:06:09] Let me tell you, it gets, it gets worse now that you're like a person online.

[00:06:13] You know what I mean?

[00:06:15] I get so overwhelmed.

[00:06:16] So I'm over it already.

[00:06:18] I was already a bad responder.

[00:06:20] So please give me all the grace in the world now because I will be worse.

[00:06:24] I'm trying to guess.

[00:06:25] Yes. Listen, it's, you know, it's, it's just a thing, you know, not everyone has strengths in all areas, you know?

[00:06:31] That's my weakness.

[00:06:33] So allow me to grow.

[00:06:34] Please allow me to grow.

[00:06:35] Exactly.

[00:06:36] Okay.

[00:06:37] So you get on the show.

[00:06:38] You mentioned some research.

[00:06:40] What, what was, how did you prep?

[00:06:42] Uh, when you knew you were getting on.

[00:06:44] So when I got that phone call, I, um, I immediately started to do my research.

[00:06:50] So I was going on YouTube, looking at casting process videos, uh, just so I can be aware of even the process before getting in the house.

[00:06:58] Cause they called January and you're not getting into the house until July.

[00:07:03] So there's six months that I'm like, what is going on?

[00:07:06] So I wanted an awareness of how the process was going.

[00:07:09] And then I watched videos of former house guests of like how to pack, um, how to prepare, uh, all of the things.

[00:07:17] But I didn't really watch like any strategy videos of, you know, how to go on and win big brother or things to, I just really looked at how to pack.

[00:07:26] That was my biggest concern.

[00:07:29] Listen, those are like some logistics that go a little bit underreported.

[00:07:32] I think they do to pack.

[00:07:34] Let me just say, you only get one suitcase for three months.

[00:07:39] That was my biggest concern.

[00:07:41] That was a bit, uh, it wasn't, I almost forgot in the process that while we living with 16 different people, I was just like, what office do I bring?

[00:07:49] So that was what I looked up a lot.

[00:07:52] And then, um, sequester periods, all of that just to mentally prepare, but going into it, because I had an awareness of how the show operated.

[00:08:01] I try to prepare myself for a AI twist.

[00:08:04] Cause I knew that everybody, I saw the comments on Instagram.

[00:08:08] That was very interesting to look at Instagram posting about the show, knowing I could possibly be on it.

[00:08:14] So I'm looking like, what do people think?

[00:08:16] And so I'm preparing mentally for that, for some type of twist, but I'm also preparing for how do I play the best social game?

[00:08:24] I knew that off the bat.

[00:08:26] Like if, when people see me in person, the first thing they say is you're so small.

[00:08:30] And I'm like, well, dang, what, how did TV make me look?

[00:08:34] Oh God.

[00:08:35] So I am not the most athletic.

[00:08:37] I am not the strongest or have the best endurance.

[00:08:40] So I prepared mostly for how do I come in with the best social game?

[00:08:45] Really?

[00:08:46] How do I have some interpersonal skills?

[00:08:49] How do I build relationships with people that look different than me?

[00:08:52] So that's the research that I did was people skill, social skill research, not necessarily, you know, looking at previous house guests.

[00:09:01] Cause you see season a season.

[00:09:03] It is so very different because the people make up the season.

[00:09:08] So if you could master people skills, then you can navigate whatever season you're on.

[00:09:13] And that's, that's how I decided to prep.

[00:09:15] I read books on how to communicate with different personalities.

[00:09:19] So I did all the unorthodox.

[00:09:21] I studied humans before getting on the show.

[00:09:24] And I, and I honestly think that helped me.

[00:09:26] I think that, I mean, I think that's smart.

[00:09:27] I think that like, I mean, what we, I think have discovered is that you need to have a baseline level of knowledge about the show.

[00:09:36] Otherwise you can really get taken advantage of Mackenzie.

[00:09:39] And so, sorry, I don't know what happened there.

[00:09:43] And so once you have that, yeah.

[00:09:47] Like people skills is very important.

[00:09:49] Yes.

[00:09:50] But a base level, I already had that.

[00:09:52] I had, you know, 13 years or whatever of knowledge of that.

[00:09:57] So I knew how it was built on manipulation to see, like I knew the type of game.

[00:10:02] So that was the least of my concerns.

[00:10:05] My concerns was then how do you navigate the complexities of living with humans for a whole month?

[00:10:11] So, but you're right.

[00:10:13] If you go, that was the interesting part of the season.

[00:10:16] I don't know if I'm supposed to say this, but we had half were recruits, half were applicants.

[00:10:21] So you have eight people who came into the show who were invited and some didn't necessarily do their research on the type of show they were going on.

[00:10:32] And I think it, in a lot of ways, screwed them over.

[00:10:36] Because they go into it expecting the game to just be a reality show where you just play some games and have fun.

[00:10:42] Not knowing.

[00:10:43] This is a game built on backstabbing and being sneaky and conniving.

[00:10:48] And so their lack of studying, just everybody could get Paramount+.

[00:10:52] It's not like I cheated.

[00:10:53] But their lack of studying, I just think, benefited me in the long run.

[00:10:58] And I'm grateful for it.

[00:11:02] So you get on the show.

[00:11:05] Any other interesting little tidbits from your time before?

[00:11:09] Like maybe when you were sequestered or coming on stage?

[00:11:12] Oh, so I don't know if it was just me, but I didn't feel like I was on the show until I literally walked into those doors.

[00:11:20] I'm like, OK, like I'm actually here.

[00:11:22] It's so surreal.

[00:11:25] So the best there's not a lot of tidbits, but like the first the first I say five days are so overwhelming, like so, so overwhelming from long days, long shooting days.

[00:11:37] And then you go for an unnamed amount of time not talking to humans or interacting.

[00:11:42] And then you're thrust into this environment where you're doing nothing but that.

[00:11:47] So during sequester, I probably should have done a better job at trying to like mentally prepare myself to be overloaded with humans who all had very strong person.

[00:11:57] I didn't I don't know why I didn't take that into account.

[00:11:59] So I lost my voice for the first two weeks.

[00:12:02] And you probably saw little clips of that.

[00:12:05] So when you can't talk in the Big Brother house and I was downgraded, it just took a mental toll.

[00:12:10] So I would say before going on the show therapy, I should have went to therapy.

[00:12:15] I should have did.

[00:12:16] That's the tidbit because, you know, our season was just took me through the ringer with some of the characters on it.

[00:12:23] But but it's hard to prepare when you don't know what you're walking into or who you're going to be living with.

[00:12:31] So it's just one of those where you like throw up a hope, wishing a prayer and survive, honestly.

[00:12:37] Yeah. You know, I just talked to Quinn and we talked about I mean, Quinn basically had the dream start to a season.

[00:12:45] Yes.

[00:12:46] You know, he gets this massively overpowered, broken superpower.

[00:12:51] He's being invited into like every alliance.

[00:12:55] Everybody loves him.

[00:12:57] Yeah.

[00:12:57] And you start off not that everyone didn't love you, but like you start off immediately downgraded.

[00:13:06] This comes because of the Ainsley twist.

[00:13:08] You vote against her joining the game.

[00:13:11] Yeah.

[00:13:12] Because obviously you would.

[00:13:13] What?

[00:13:15] Another person to beat through?

[00:13:18] I was trying to be I didn't come on Big Brother to try to be, you know, nice.

[00:13:23] I came on Big Brother to win.

[00:13:25] And it's like, yeah, I would fulfill another person's dream, but like it would make it harder for me to fulfill mine.

[00:13:30] So I've never pressed the button so fast in my life.

[00:13:34] I immediately when the video came on, I knew I was going to say no.

[00:13:37] But I didn't know that I would suck at the first competition and lose.

[00:13:42] That was unexpected.

[00:13:45] What what do you think happened there?

[00:13:47] Like why? Because you ultimately end up winning quite a lot of competitions by the end, but not the greatest start competitively.

[00:13:56] You know, I don't.

[00:13:58] OK, so I didn't sleep.

[00:14:00] I don't.

[00:14:00] I lost because I didn't listen to the directions.

[00:14:03] That's why I lost.

[00:14:04] It was a me problem for sure.

[00:14:06] However, there are other layers.

[00:14:08] I had been up for 32 hours by that point.

[00:14:11] I am overstimulated.

[00:14:13] Like I am so excited being on Big Brother.

[00:14:17] So there's so much going on behind the scenes that you don't see.

[00:14:21] So I had already been on set for hours before we even competed.

[00:14:26] So there's just so much.

[00:14:28] I'm exhausted.

[00:14:29] And then I walk into this arena and it's the first time hearing Julie's voice.

[00:14:34] So I freak out.

[00:14:37] Julie's talking to me, trying to explain the rules of the game.

[00:14:42] And I'm just like not really paying that much attention.

[00:14:46] I knew when Ainsley shared like these are the rules of the game if you say yes or no.

[00:14:51] I knew that tidbit.

[00:14:52] So I was like, OK, I'll have to, you know, mix up some words or put words together and hit a button.

[00:14:58] That is how I went into the competition.

[00:15:01] So the plug aspect, plugging in the plug, it was just kind of through one ear, not the other,

[00:15:08] because I was so infatuated with Julie, the fact that I'm talking to her.

[00:15:12] So it was in that moment I realized playing the game.

[00:15:17] I'm like, I know I have all of these right.

[00:15:19] I'm looking at the board and I see this big plug on the floor.

[00:15:25] And I'm like, I think that was part of this game.

[00:15:28] I plug it in, press the button.

[00:15:31] And it was in that moment.

[00:15:32] I told myself, whatever competition you play moving forward, no matter who's giving you the instructions, listen.

[00:15:42] And I decided to do that.

[00:15:43] And it's crazy when you listen how it takes you further in life.

[00:15:48] I'm so frustrated with life.

[00:15:50] So stupid.

[00:15:51] Oh, did you know how close the upgrade power was for Mackenzie?

[00:15:58] It was actually a big controversy at the time because people felt that watching it didn't seem like she was the fastest.

[00:16:09] And they felt like it was there was something like happening going like that, like based on I don't even remember what it was.

[00:16:16] But I remember I had to go back and like frame by frame, do a timer to prove that Mackenzie did actually beat out.

[00:16:24] I think it might have been Joseph.

[00:16:26] People think it was rigged.

[00:16:28] People always think it's rigged.

[00:16:30] But yeah, like that something happened and like that maybe something maybe there was an error and she accidentally won when she shouldn't have because Joseph clearly, you know, hit the buttons faster.

[00:16:42] But but it was it was a whole thing.

[00:16:44] But she like if you see Mackenzie in real life, she's like eight feet tall.

[00:16:50] So it takes her one step to get from.

[00:16:53] So I only watched two episodes.

[00:16:55] I've only watched.

[00:16:56] So you you might reveal a lot to me that I have no idea about.

[00:17:00] But I saw those.

[00:17:02] I saw her compete and she needs to take just one step to get from one button to the next.

[00:17:07] So it may seem like she was going slow, but she didn't need to move as much.

[00:17:13] She's so long.

[00:17:14] Exactly.

[00:17:14] That's exactly how it happened.

[00:17:16] Yeah, that's it seemed like she took longer because she I think took longer at the buttons, but she got there so much faster.

[00:17:23] All she had to do was this really.

[00:17:26] And she's got all four buttons.

[00:17:28] Exactly.

[00:17:28] So that made sense to me.

[00:17:30] I didn't know it was a controversy, though.

[00:17:32] But I I also didn't know they both had the same amount of things correct that she was just faster.

[00:17:38] I had.

[00:17:38] And it was it was a very tight margin.

[00:17:41] And then, of course, there's another very tight margin when she beats out Rubina to survive.

[00:17:46] That was also fractions of a second.

[00:17:48] Also likely due to her height.

[00:17:51] Yeah, which that's also one thing I found out through listening to a podcast that she barely, barely beat Rubina.

[00:17:59] So I'm thinking she's like winning by a landslide.

[00:18:02] Wait till you watch the episode.

[00:18:04] Imagine if Joseph would have won that first.

[00:18:07] First of all, imagine.

[00:18:09] But second of all, the season would be so different.

[00:18:13] His Dr. Will plan would be down the train.

[00:18:19] You know, that doctor guy from the I think there was a guy called Will or something.

[00:18:24] I think he didn't win any competitions.

[00:18:27] I knew I knew the Joker was a super fan before that.

[00:18:30] So he's trying to give me this.

[00:18:33] You know, doctor, I'm like, I do.

[00:18:35] You know, I watch the show, too.

[00:18:36] Like, I'm not a fake super fan.

[00:18:38] I'm public about it.

[00:18:40] So I clocked that immediately.

[00:18:41] But I didn't know until I saw that episode that they had the same amount.

[00:18:46] And even Cedric surprised me in his loss that he actually went fast.

[00:18:52] But it was it was the fact that he dropped his thing in the wrong disc.

[00:18:57] He would have breezed through that, to be honest.

[00:18:59] Yeah, I was a little bit like that.

[00:19:01] I mean, I get it.

[00:19:03] But like, I think Cedric honestly performed the best in that competition.

[00:19:07] He was just the slowest to get to that point.

[00:19:09] But he got the furthest.

[00:19:11] He got the furthest.

[00:19:12] And this is a side note.

[00:19:13] I think Brooklyn, because I watched these episodes with Brooklyn, I almost died laughing at T-Core trying to do that.

[00:19:24] I was so glad that that wasn't me, because T-Core, it looked like the competition was painful for her.

[00:19:34] So it was just very fun to watch.

[00:19:37] So the season was interesting.

[00:19:39] Like, I haven't gone back to watch since, like, getting to know the people.

[00:19:43] Like, now thinking about it, it would be so funny to watch T-Core do that.

[00:19:47] It was hilarious.

[00:19:48] Like, knowing T-Core.

[00:19:49] Knowing, exactly.

[00:19:51] Oh, yeah, that was that.

[00:19:53] So you get downgraded.

[00:19:56] You are now wearing a massive costume, which was very funny in the eviction episode.

[00:20:01] I'm sure you noticed.

[00:20:03] That's blocking the cameras at various points.

[00:20:09] You also have no vote.

[00:20:13] And like, there are a lot of universes where this is devastating to a player.

[00:20:21] Because no vote means you just don't have any power.

[00:20:25] You are an easy target, because it's like, if you have no other reason to nominate anybody,

[00:20:32] just nominate the two people in costumes who can't vote anyway.

[00:20:36] You know?

[00:20:36] Like, there are lots of ways that this can work out poorly for you.

[00:20:40] Even if you don't get nominated, you're not a valuable person to campaign to or talk to because you don't have a vote.

[00:20:46] So this is obviously, like, also a massively important time in the game when people are making connections that will last for the entire season.

[00:20:58] Power structures are being formed.

[00:21:00] Yeah.

[00:21:00] You had to be terrified.

[00:21:02] Oh, I was shaking in my boots as soon as Ainsley rudely shared.

[00:21:07] Because she could have shared that in private.

[00:21:09] She could have shared that we were downgrade.

[00:21:11] Like, why does she have to give the upgrades privately?

[00:21:13] But she had to share our...

[00:21:14] Like, that was public humiliation.

[00:21:16] So she could have allowed...

[00:21:17] Well, the costumes were public humiliation.

[00:21:20] That wasn't enough.

[00:21:21] So she could have let us, you know, share the news.

[00:21:24] But that's neither here nor there.

[00:21:25] So I...

[00:21:27] Honestly, I was shaking in my boots the moment I heard that.

[00:21:30] Because, number one, people were going...

[00:21:33] Like, we're the two worst players of 16 people, essentially, at that time.

[00:21:38] And so people...

[00:21:39] I didn't want people to think, because I also couldn't play, that I would not be an asset to them in the future.

[00:21:45] It's like, even Joseph, ironically, was like, yeah, I was hesitant with bringing you into any alliances because you kind of proved that you can't compete.

[00:21:52] I was like, ooh, eat.

[00:21:55] That's kind of like...

[00:21:56] I wonder how many other house guests perceive me that way.

[00:22:00] So I was nervous.

[00:22:01] But one thing that eased my mind was as soon as...

[00:22:04] And I don't know if they showed this.

[00:22:05] I can't remember.

[00:22:06] As soon as I walked into the house, we were the first four.

[00:22:09] Me, Angela, Kimo, and Tucker, I think.

[00:22:11] And we were exploring the house.

[00:22:13] Angela immediately was, like, trying to form a final two with me.

[00:22:17] As we were in looking at the rooms.

[00:22:19] And I'm like, I don't even remember your name.

[00:22:21] So she's like, this feels good.

[00:22:24] And I'm like, okay.

[00:22:25] So I was nervous up until she won HOH.

[00:22:30] Because I knew that she immediately kind of trusted me in that moment.

[00:22:35] So that kind of calmed my nerves up until the blowup happened.

[00:22:39] Because I was like, now anything can happen in this house.

[00:22:43] But it calmed my nerves when she won HOH.

[00:22:47] But I was shaking in my boots.

[00:22:48] Also, what people don't know is that first week, people weren't really talking game with Cedric and I.

[00:22:56] Because we couldn't vote.

[00:22:58] We couldn't do anything.

[00:22:59] It was pointless to see where our head is at or all of the things.

[00:23:03] So, yeah.

[00:23:04] I was shaking in my boots.

[00:23:05] But at the same time, it revealed to me there's a lot of talk that was like, no.

[00:23:11] I don't think anybody would ever put you guys up.

[00:23:13] That's mean.

[00:23:14] That's cruel.

[00:23:15] You guys, you know, can't do anything.

[00:23:17] In that moment, I'm like, this may be an emotionally led house.

[00:23:22] Because if they played Big Brother, it probably was the least amount of blood.

[00:23:27] Hey, you guys get to finally compete in AI arena and prove yourself again, you know.

[00:23:33] So, probably would have been wise to put us up.

[00:23:36] But that's the moment I clocked.

[00:23:38] Like, this might be a different type of season.

[00:23:41] And I'm grateful it was.

[00:23:43] Yeah.

[00:23:43] And I think it's a testament to your social game, too.

[00:23:46] Because I think that, like, you know, I think that it's easy to say, oh, well, we would never do that.

[00:23:53] That's very cruel when it's a person that they like.

[00:23:56] But if it's a person that they don't really care for, it's like, ah, you know, that sucks for them.

[00:24:01] Exactly.

[00:24:01] And Cedric and I literally switched into high gear, like, socially.

[00:24:05] That's all you had.

[00:24:06] All you had was to build relationships, to build trust, be vulnerable with people, and hope that them liking you will get you just by another week.

[00:24:17] So, I knew that week, okay, socially, all I can do is talk.

[00:24:20] The difficult part was I lost my voice.

[00:24:22] So, I had double downgrade.

[00:24:24] I couldn't talk.

[00:24:25] I literally, my voice was shocked.

[00:24:27] So, I'm like, what an embarrassing thing.

[00:24:30] Like, one of the only milestones I was like, just get past week one.

[00:24:34] Don't be the first one evicted.

[00:24:35] So, it just wasn't looking good for me.

[00:24:37] But in that moment, I said, this is the time to be social.

[00:24:41] This is the time to build relationships.

[00:24:43] And that is what I did for 10 days up until I won HOH.

[00:25:18] Mm-hmm.

[00:25:19] No, we do a stock watch podcast, which is where we rate the players every week.

[00:25:24] And then people can buy and sell shares of stocks of you as a player.

[00:25:29] And you were either the highest or tied for the highest every single week except for two, which we'll talk about.

[00:25:36] What were the two weeks?

[00:25:37] The two weeks were week two, but only slightly behind chemo and T-Corp because they were kind of in a theoretical power position that they then kind of squandered.

[00:25:47] Oh, yeah.

[00:25:48] And then week five when you were on the block.

[00:25:51] Oh, yeah.

[00:25:51] Tucker was HOH.

[00:25:52] Yeah.

[00:25:53] So, what was it?

[00:25:54] That was my question to you.

[00:25:56] What was it that you guys clocked?

[00:25:58] Because I didn't see.

[00:25:59] That was a surprise for me coming out of the Big Brother house.

[00:26:02] I didn't see the edit.

[00:26:04] Still have not seen the full edit.

[00:26:06] I don't know how my game is being perceived like from the outside world.

[00:26:10] So, what was it when I heard your deep dive with Quinn that there was only two weeks that I wasn't ranked the top?

[00:26:17] What was it early that y'all clocked where it showed Chelsea is in a good position?

[00:26:22] Because I'm genuinely confused.

[00:26:28] Every week is crazy.

[00:26:31] Not even Tucker?

[00:26:32] No, certainly not Tucker.

[00:26:37] I get it.

[00:26:38] But yeah, what was it?

[00:26:40] I mean, I will say, I think, and it's honestly, it's sometimes it's hard for me to remember what was in an episode

[00:26:47] and what was on the feeds because for me, like my job is the feed.

[00:26:50] So, it very much blends together.

[00:26:52] To my memory, I think that you were probably more of a standout on the feeds than the episodes for a little while

[00:26:59] until you break out eventually.

[00:27:01] Okay.

[00:27:01] Which is not to say that you're like not in the episodes, but like, I think probably the casual episode watcher audience

[00:27:10] didn't realize you were like the front runner mastermindy kind of player until the second half, at least, of the season.

[00:27:17] Yeah.

[00:27:18] But for us early on, one of the things I was really impressed by was that you were in such a disadvantageous position

[00:27:25] and yet were in such a good spot socially and structurally, which to me was an indication that like you had a lot of promise as a player

[00:27:34] because moving forward when you're in a better position, like that means that you have the tools that you need to really succeed,

[00:27:43] which doesn't always pan out because some players are better when they're behind and then they get power and they...

[00:27:51] Yup.

[00:27:51] And I think I was a little worried about that in week two when you were HOH.

[00:27:57] Like, okay, like she almost put Cam on the plug.

[00:28:03] I did.

[00:28:04] And like, yeah, just that's a whole thing.

[00:28:09] But, but very early on, I think you stood out because you had the social connections to people.

[00:28:15] You were a fan of the show.

[00:28:17] Yeah.

[00:28:17] You, um, you, you operate it like you can just tell who knows what they're doing in the house.

[00:28:23] Um, and so very, very early, it was like, she knows what she's doing.

[00:28:28] She has the social capability for a little while.

[00:28:31] Then it was just like, is she an active enough player to succeed?

[00:28:36] And it took a couple of weeks where we were like, we're not sure yet.

[00:28:40] Um, and then once you, once you survived week five, you were pretty much just like the, the front runner all the way through.

[00:28:49] Um, so.

[00:28:50] Crazy.

[00:28:51] Like everybody is like, not everybody, but a lot of people are like, how did you not know?

[00:28:57] Or you like, because I'm just playing to survive.

[00:29:01] Well, really to thrive in this game.

[00:29:03] I didn't want to have to play survival, but you're just trying to make it week to week to week.

[00:29:07] So I, I don't, when I came out of the house and I was in all of these press interviews, I was so overwhelmed.

[00:29:13] How does it feel that you're known for blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:29:17] I'm like, I didn't know that.

[00:29:19] So thank you for revealing that information to me.

[00:29:23] So that's so interesting.

[00:29:24] I can see structurally why after, especially after week five, I think that's when Tucker left.

[00:29:29] I can see then.

[00:29:30] That was, you survived that week.

[00:29:32] And then, um, and then I think Tucker survived.

[00:29:36] Uh, let me see.

[00:29:38] Week six.

[00:29:39] That I was on the block.

[00:29:41] Yes.

[00:29:42] So you survive week five and then, and then Tucker leaves the following week.

[00:29:47] Oh, yeah.

[00:29:49] I felt like, okay.

[00:29:50] I, I feel like I can have a, a grip on this game, a really good grit.

[00:29:55] So, but all that's week five is trauma day 38.

[00:29:59] I'll never forget.

[00:30:02] Um, so, uh, and I'm sure like, we'll, we'll talk more too.

[00:30:06] Like, um, but I think that's very interesting.

[00:30:08] I think that in terms of what I've heard from players who have been very successful in the

[00:30:14] past, uh, I do think a lot of them feel the same way that you did where it's like, they

[00:30:20] felt in the moment, like, I'm just doing what I need to do to, to, to succeed.

[00:30:25] And then it happens and you're like, yes.

[00:30:26] And then people are like, how are you such a mastermind?

[00:30:29] And you're like, was I, I mean, I was doing some things, I guess.

[00:30:34] Yes.

[00:30:35] Um, and then it's, I think oftentimes the players who are in the moment thinking, ha ha, I'm

[00:30:39] such a mastermind that like either have a downfall or like maybe don't win the jury vote.

[00:30:45] Like it doesn't actually tend to work as well for them.

[00:30:47] So that's interesting.

[00:30:49] Exactly.

[00:30:49] And there were some who really thought that they were, uh, masterminds of the season.

[00:30:54] And, uh, at that time before they were evicted, I was like, or ringleaders.

[00:30:59] I was like, how does anybody see the game in totality and really think that they're

[00:31:04] leading this?

[00:31:05] Uh, but I was very, I knew I was very strategic.

[00:31:09] I knew that I had social ties to almost everybody in the house and that could, uh, and I, and

[00:31:15] I'm evaluating every week how I am socially versus other house guests.

[00:31:19] And I'm evaluating relationships every week.

[00:31:21] So I knew I pretty much was in a good position relationally with house versus other people.

[00:31:26] So I felt, I felt a little bit like I could be maneuver no matter what happened, but it

[00:31:33] wasn't until the second half.

[00:31:35] It wasn't until Tucker left where I was like, I think I could really string everybody.

[00:31:40] Like that's when I became really confident as a player and even more strategic first half.

[00:31:46] I'm like, be under the radar, don't bring too much attention to yourself, then shifted

[00:31:52] into the next gear where I have a little bit more control over a smaller house.

[00:31:56] I mean, and that tracks too, because that's, I mean, it's pretty much what we're saying is

[00:32:00] like, she is in such a good position.

[00:32:01] Uh, we were just worried at times, like, is she pushing hard enough in certain areas?

[00:32:06] Um, and then once you did start pushing the house, just relented, just all toppled down.

[00:32:15] I know, I, I know.

[00:32:18] I was as much as other people were surprised watching.

[00:32:21] I was surprised, uh, playing that some things I'm like, they believed me.

[00:32:29] They actually thought this was the best for that.

[00:32:33] I was shocked too.

[00:32:35] I'll go back into the HOH room or back to my room and be like, did that actually just

[00:32:40] happen?

[00:32:40] So I was surprised too.

[00:32:42] Let me just say, I, I, I worked hard, but I was surprised at how kind of influential I

[00:32:48] was or how influenced other people were with my words.

[00:32:52] So that was shocking to live it.

[00:32:53] All right.

[00:32:54] Well, let's, let's wrap up week one because, uh, obviously a lot happens with Angela and

[00:32:59] the collective and the low budget movie and the crazy eyes.

[00:33:07] I, I, I was so, that was day four, mind you.

[00:33:12] That was the moment I said, this is going to be a very, very, very long summer.

[00:33:16] And I don't know if this is the show for me because what low budget.

[00:33:21] I didn't, I didn't make it to that argument, like that part of the argument.

[00:33:25] So I watched it when I got out the house, I didn't hear the low budget.

[00:33:28] I came in like half and I missed the crazy eyes.

[00:33:31] I came like halfway through.

[00:33:33] So I just see, I walk into the kitchen and Matt looks like he's on the verge of tears.

[00:33:38] Like his puppy just died.

[00:33:39] And Matt looks at me and I just say, don't, don't get up, just stay calm.

[00:33:44] So I was trying to on the side, you know, alleviate some of the tension, but yeah, week

[00:33:50] one was just purely K way worse than what's shown online.

[00:33:55] Let me tell you, it was, it was terrible to live through.

[00:33:59] I hated week one and that's trauma.

[00:34:02] I need to go to therapy for a year just for week one of being on big brother.

[00:34:06] Listen, that, that is, that is the, the nature of the show is that your trauma is our entertainment.

[00:34:14] And y'all ate it up.

[00:34:16] So, oh God, I'm glad that was over.

[00:34:19] Yeah.

[00:34:19] We going bad.

[00:34:20] So I, is it fair to say that like characterizing week one for you is kind of like keeping your

[00:34:27] options open because it felt like you had an in with the Matt crew.

[00:34:31] You had an in with Angela and what she, what was happening over there.

[00:34:34] You were, you had the in with like Quinn and what he was doing.

[00:34:39] And then eventually through all of that, the structure that eventually forms is the Pentagon

[00:34:45] within the collective, which really solidifies in week two.

[00:34:50] Yeah.

[00:34:51] Yeah.

[00:34:51] I was, I was pretty much almost like fully, not fully aligned, but in cahoots with every single

[00:34:58] person in the house.

[00:35:00] Now the difference between as I, as I just finished watching Quincy dive, like I wasn't

[00:35:05] in a lot of final twos.

[00:35:06] I was in majority alliances, the collective and Pentagon.

[00:35:09] Those were the two.

[00:35:10] And the Pentagon was within the collective.

[00:35:12] So that helped me.

[00:35:13] So, but then I was in relationship with people outside the Pentagon that brought me in.

[00:35:20] So I was really protected on all fronts.

[00:35:23] I, the only alliance I was truly going to like, you know, bend over backwards for was the Pentagon.

[00:35:30] That was my ride or die.

[00:35:32] And you could see in the way I voted, you could see in the way I spoke.

[00:35:35] But I knew that, or so I thought the Pentagon were protected.

[00:35:40] We got each other to the end.

[00:35:42] That's fine.

[00:35:42] I don't really need to let them in on how, how close I am also with Matt's side of the

[00:35:47] house.

[00:35:48] So I was essentially kind of playing the middle from the beginning, but I knew where my loyalty

[00:35:54] lies.

[00:35:55] So it did set me up well socially to have almost everybody wanting to work, wanting to work

[00:36:01] with me in the beginning.

[00:36:03] So tell me more about the Pentagon because it basically could have, would have been the

[00:36:11] alliance driving the season, if not for a couple of specific things like Quinn.

[00:36:17] Um, and also, uh, the, the, the AI arena loss.

[00:36:23] Um, tell me about the formation and the structure and how you viewed it.

[00:36:29] Let me, okay.

[00:36:30] Let me set the record straight.

[00:36:32] Actually, I'm setting the record straight for Quinn.

[00:36:34] So, and because I, this, this blows my mind how the Pentagon was viewed.

[00:36:41] So I remember I was in the HOH bathroom and Cam comes up to me.

[00:36:47] Cam's like, and I have had maybe a minute of conversation with this man.

[00:36:52] I don't know who he is, but I had already like just a level of comfortability with him

[00:36:56] off the bat.

[00:36:57] So I'm in the bathroom.

[00:36:59] Cam comes in.

[00:37:00] He's like, so what are we doing?

[00:37:02] And I'm like, what?

[00:37:04] He's like, okay.

[00:37:04] So I talked to Cedric.

[00:37:05] So Cam brings me in on like him and Cedric wanting to work with me.

[00:37:09] So Cedric is my microchip.

[00:37:12] We're already have some type of bond.

[00:37:14] So they felt like, okay, this feels comfortable.

[00:37:16] We have a conversation about us.

[00:37:18] You're working together, but they're talking about who else should we bring into this?

[00:37:22] We all mutually agreed.

[00:37:24] Like, Hey, we think Quinn is dope.

[00:37:26] Like Quinn is super dope.

[00:37:27] Uh, I knew early on Quinn was like so nervous.

[00:37:30] Uh, and then I was like, Oh my God, he's just like a little puppy that's scared.

[00:37:34] And I just wanted to wrap my arms around him.

[00:37:37] So I'm like, bring him in.

[00:37:38] I knew he was a super fan off the bat and his knowledge would be power.

[00:37:41] So I said, let's bring Quinn in.

[00:37:43] Then they asked me, or I think I may have pushed, like we need another woman or whatever.

[00:37:48] Uh, and so Brooklyn, I don't even know what it was about her that I was drawn to, but

[00:37:53] for me, I was energy.

[00:37:55] Yes.

[00:37:56] So that's what I want.

[00:37:57] I will calm in the beginning.

[00:37:59] Then it went kind of crazy.

[00:38:01] She was level-headed, very sweet, very poised and put together.

[00:38:05] And for me, I wanted to play the game with people who can control themselves.

[00:38:09] That's what I wanted to do.

[00:38:11] Uh, people who were level-headed, who were smart and who didn't, who weren't led by their

[00:38:15] emotions.

[00:38:16] That's the type of players I wanted to play with because with the twists and the turns and

[00:38:21] all that, if somebody can stay stable, you're pretty, you're in a good position.

[00:38:25] So that was the thought.

[00:38:27] So the boys went to go talk to Quinn.

[00:38:29] I went to go talk to Brooklyn and, uh, then we got together.

[00:38:33] So there was never really like a hierarchy within the Pentagon.

[00:38:37] It was just us five.

[00:38:39] Let's have each other's back.

[00:38:41] Let's trust each other and make it to the end.

[00:38:42] So the fact that Quinn had, was skeptical about a final five, get this, a final five when there's

[00:38:50] still 16 people in the house is crazy to me.

[00:38:54] If you're in the bottom of a, of a final five out of 16, that's not bad to me.

[00:39:02] Correct me if I'm wrong.

[00:39:03] That's not bad odds to be in a bottom five of 16.

[00:39:07] So I'm frustrated that Quinn didn't just like, I'm sure when he watched back, he saw like,

[00:39:13] we really, there wasn't necessarily a hierarchy.

[00:39:16] And I probably would have stuck close really to Quinn and Cedric, maybe Brooklyn.

[00:39:23] Oh, uh, it depended relationally.

[00:39:25] I would have stuck with whoever it was so fresh.

[00:39:28] I didn't have like a number one or number two at the time.

[00:39:31] So that could have been one over.

[00:39:33] And I ended up really liking Quinn over the season.

[00:39:36] So if he would have stuck true and didn't blow it up, I really would have been rocking

[00:39:41] with Quinn for a long time.

[00:39:43] But then I find out he blew up the Pentagon.

[00:39:47] No pun intended, if that's Vincent, my bad, but he blew the Pentagon up.

[00:39:51] And I'm like, bruh, this could have been such a strong.

[00:39:54] And I kind of knew with the questions I was being asked in the DR about the Pentagon,

[00:40:00] that it was kind of a huge, like a center point of the season at the time.

[00:40:04] I knew that because I was being asked a lot.

[00:40:06] So I'm like, this might be driving the direction or the center of the house right now.

[00:40:11] So if Quinn would have stuck to that, imagine.

[00:40:16] I was so frustrated.

[00:40:17] I was so stupid, but there was no hierarchy.

[00:40:20] It was literally we like each other.

[00:40:22] Let's survive together.

[00:40:24] Yeah.

[00:40:24] I mean, like looking at the consistency of that group, you know, I think that you like there's

[00:40:32] nobody outside of that group that that poses a significant threat, I think, strategically

[00:40:37] to what you're able to do.

[00:40:39] You were also under the radar now.

[00:40:42] You know, would it have been the best thing in the world to go to five for Quinn in that

[00:40:45] group?

[00:40:46] Um, like I'd personally be concerned about Cedric and Cam as physical threats, given the

[00:40:52] way that Big Brother normally operates with endgame competitions.

[00:40:55] And the way that they approach me makes me think that they're a duo and stuff like that.

[00:40:59] But like, you know, as I talked about with Quinn, there was probably another way, which is

[00:41:03] maybe holding on to the information until the right time.

[00:41:06] And then if you find a spot somewhere, you can do something.

[00:41:09] But, uh, you know.

[00:41:11] So frustrating.

[00:41:13] So it happens.

[00:41:14] Whatever.

[00:41:14] It benefited me at the end.

[00:41:16] I can't be too mad.

[00:41:17] Yeah.

[00:41:17] But, uh, that was dumb.

[00:41:19] Pentagon for a long time.

[00:41:21] We were in this for a long time.

[00:41:23] He was the one that did that the most, too.

[00:41:25] He was like, Pentagon?

[00:41:27] I was so frustrated.

[00:41:29] Pentagon?

[00:41:30] No.

[00:41:32] Bo Quinn ruined something so good.

[00:41:35] So yeah, Pentagon bouts.

[00:41:37] Love him to death, though.

[00:41:41] All right.

[00:41:42] So, um, so Matt ends up going home.

[00:41:44] Obviously, that makes sense for most people in the game at that point.

[00:41:48] Uh, it is a little tricky because you were kind of trying to pretend like you were still

[00:41:52] with a lot of those people.

[00:41:54] Um, but, uh, but basically it's a house vote at that point.

[00:41:58] And so it's not the biggest deal.

[00:41:59] And I think also in many ways, huge for your game in a way that you probably don't realize

[00:42:06] for a while, which is that it like massively frees up MJ and Leah.

[00:42:11] Um, and, uh, and obviously MJ is going to be very important later on.

[00:42:16] Um, but, uh, then you become HOH and this is also huge.

[00:42:21] Uh, the, the second HOH we've been talking about can be very important, especially if

[00:42:26] the first HOH is very chaotic because you can really sort of like set the stage if the

[00:42:31] first HOH failed to.

[00:42:32] And you do.

[00:42:33] You help calm things down the, um, the collective kind of solidifies despite being a, uh, low

[00:42:42] budget movie.

[00:42:43] Um, and, and the Pentagon also kind of solidifies, um, but you don't often have many meetings,

[00:42:53] collective meetings or Pentagon meetings.

[00:42:55] Um, and I think that's also part of why they never really locked in too much.

[00:43:00] Um, so, uh, so tell me about your game plan as the, uh, week two HOH.

[00:43:06] Yeah.

[00:43:06] So my game plan was like, uh, least amount of blood.

[00:43:11] Uh, how do I, and it's hard.

[00:43:13] You can't make everybody happy in the big brother house, but like, how do I play in a

[00:43:18] way this week that sets me up?

[00:43:20] Well, next week, a lot of HOHs don't, this season didn't think about that because you

[00:43:26] can't play the next week.

[00:43:28] And there was, I think it was Quinn, T-Corps, Tucker, Cedric all went home the week after

[00:43:34] their HOHs.

[00:43:36] So I, I knew just watching pre prior seasons play for not just this week, play for next

[00:43:42] week.

[00:43:42] So how do I lead this house in a way where everybody is on board and kind of is like a

[00:43:49] fan of the decision in agreement with the decision that I made.

[00:43:52] So for me, I wanted to make my HOH feel like everybody else's HOH.

[00:43:57] What do y'all want to do?

[00:43:58] Where is your head at?

[00:44:00] Like, how can, how can this HOH benefit you?

[00:44:03] And I knew off the bat coming off week one with what Angela was doing, that was going

[00:44:08] to be easy.

[00:44:09] Everybody wanted her on the block, really wanted her out week two.

[00:44:12] Uh, Lisa was causing some rifts, uh, with the glitter week one.

[00:44:16] So that was, her name was being tossed and she had already been put up on the block.

[00:44:20] And then, and then Kenny offered himself.

[00:44:24] So you, you can't really be mad at me when you're offering yourself to go up on the block

[00:44:29] and then surprised, but yes, it's so crazy that my people who threw themselves on the

[00:44:35] block this season, it's just, it didn't make any sense.

[00:44:38] So for me, I can't really, people, people were just offering.

[00:44:43] And then when Lisa or Kenny took himself off the block, Tucker's offering himself.

[00:44:49] So I'm like, okay, house.

[00:44:51] And I made sure the house knew Tucker offered himself.

[00:44:54] This is, this is a us.

[00:44:56] What do we want to do so that people can't really pinpoint where I'm, where my head is

[00:45:02] really at.

[00:45:03] And that was the goal.

[00:45:04] How do I get people to feel like I have everybody's back?

[00:45:09] This is a, we, this we're team.

[00:45:11] So how do I make people feel like they're on my team?

[00:45:14] And that's how I chose to let my lead my HOH.

[00:45:16] Yeah.

[00:45:17] That's, I mean, so that's interesting because that I always look to Derek's week three HOH

[00:45:23] as kind of like the example of this is a whole house HOH.

[00:45:29] We're all coming together to get rid of Devin.

[00:45:31] Um, and it's making everyone feel comfortable with me.

[00:45:34] It's stabilizing everything.

[00:45:36] And that's really, really good for Derek's game because he's in such a good position.

[00:45:41] I think a lot of players try to be Derek in week three, but they're not in Derek's position.

[00:45:49] So like, it's somebody who's like at the bottom of the house who tries to be like, this is a

[00:45:53] we HOH and they do the work for the majority and find themselves still on the bottom now

[00:45:57] in a really nice position.

[00:45:58] Yep.

[00:45:59] But this works in a position like yours where you are at the top of the structure.

[00:46:04] So it makes sense that you were trying to do something that is calm and stabilizing.

[00:46:08] Um, and it can be very effective as we saw temporarily at least.

[00:46:13] Yes.

[00:46:14] And that the house was looking for calm.

[00:46:16] I knew that I read the house.

[00:46:19] I read the room and our first 10 days were quite literally brutal on all fronts.

[00:46:23] So for me, I'm like, if I can create an environment, if I can set the temperature in the house that

[00:46:29] an HOH can be led with grace and calmness.

[00:46:33] And as a team, then I think I can gain even more respect or a level of comfort.

[00:46:40] I think that's what I did.

[00:46:41] People started to feel comfortable with me leading and comfortable with my words and my

[00:46:47] speeches that like I got a hand, I got a hand clap.

[00:46:50] I don't know if they showed that after I put three people on the block, like the house

[00:46:55] started to clap.

[00:46:56] And I was like, this is unorthodox.

[00:46:58] They're clapping when I just put three people on the block because people respected how

[00:47:02] I handled the situation versus what they had experienced the week before.

[00:47:07] So I do think it set me up socially and relationally with everybody in the house.

[00:47:12] Yeah.

[00:47:13] And going after an easy consensus target like Lisa makes a lot of sense.

[00:47:17] There was a bit of a dilemma that you were faced with, though.

[00:47:22] One was that, you know, you had considered and I agreed with you at the time.

[00:47:27] Leah was a good target for you that week in terms of like a potential shot you could have

[00:47:33] taken.

[00:47:34] It would have been a different shot, but I think it would have been an effective one given

[00:47:38] your position in the game.

[00:47:40] You ultimately don't go in that direction.

[00:47:41] And you also don't go in the direction of using Mackenzie as a pawn because she comes

[00:47:46] to you and tells you about her power.

[00:47:48] And you had the choice.

[00:47:50] Should I put her up and burn the power or should I try to work with her?

[00:47:53] And you were trying to decide.

[00:47:55] And the audience at the time as well was like.

[00:47:58] Had different opinions.

[00:48:00] I was with you.

[00:48:02] I agreed that like I think that pulling her in makes more sense, putting her up and then

[00:48:08] not having control of the renom.

[00:48:09] You're just pissing somebody off.

[00:48:11] That's definitely going to be safe.

[00:48:12] And now your HOH is not in your hands anymore.

[00:48:14] It was kind of a no brainer.

[00:48:16] You just kind of got to let Mackenzie have a pass and use your best use this opportunity

[00:48:20] to like make as much of a bond with her as possible.

[00:48:23] Right.

[00:48:23] A hundred percent.

[00:48:25] My thing with that, because I was kind of like, I didn't trust Leah as a game player

[00:48:33] week two.

[00:48:33] And I think that may have been shared during my HOH.

[00:48:36] I haven't watched it there.

[00:48:37] I stated my intention wasn't necessarily to win that second HOH, but I wanted to stay

[00:48:44] in it as long as Leah was, as long as people I didn't really trust were in it.

[00:48:48] And Leah was just still there.

[00:48:49] So I said, my tail is going to keep answering these right so long as she's here.

[00:48:54] And then they happened to get the answers wrong.

[00:48:57] So there's something about her as a game player that I was like, I don't really trust this.

[00:49:04] So it would have been a great game move at the time, I thought.

[00:49:08] But when I see they were on the wrong side of the vote, them two, them against the house.

[00:49:14] And then with Mackenzie, it's like, she's still going to be here.

[00:49:17] So I'm going to make an enemy out of somebody who clearly has proven she can compete.

[00:49:22] And then nobody was really rocking with Mackenzie, like nobody.

[00:49:26] And here's what I'm going to say.

[00:49:29] Her, Leah, and Matt really was just them three together the whole week.

[00:49:33] They weren't really rocking with any.

[00:49:35] So they kind of put themselves in the position to be isolated.

[00:49:38] They did that.

[00:49:39] So for me, I'm like, they're kind of Lone Rangers on an island by themselves.

[00:49:44] I could go against them and make the easy thing because everybody in the house would be like, oh, that's cool.

[00:49:52] Or I can use them as numbers and as allies and try to mend whatever Leah and I have and then bring Mackenzie in.

[00:49:59] So that's the route that I felt like had least blood on my hands and then protected me.

[00:50:05] My thing was, if I'm on the block in two weeks and Mackenzie still has this power, me keeping it safe during my itch, which maybe it'll benefit me in the future.

[00:50:14] So I'm glad I did that because I think it brought in two people who didn't really have anybody decided to flop to me.

[00:50:22] So I'm at this point, it's a numbers game.

[00:50:24] Like who can I put on my side early in this game and gain trust?

[00:50:30] And I'm glad I made that decision.

[00:50:31] Yes.

[00:50:32] And so this is also the start of, you know, a part of the Leah situation was that she was close with Cam.

[00:50:40] Yes.

[00:50:41] Oh, we do.

[00:50:41] Oh, God.

[00:50:42] Yeah.

[00:50:43] This kind of prompts you to start to bond with Brooklyn.

[00:50:51] And and so this I remember seeing this and feeling like.

[00:50:57] This is massive for both of them, because within the power structure, if these two link up, they're both very competent players like they can do some serious damage.

[00:51:08] And also, this is where Quinn should be.

[00:51:11] Quinn has already had this conversation with Brooklyn about, you know, the situation within the Pentagon.

[00:51:19] And Brooklyn's sort of strategy is, well, great.

[00:51:21] Now we've got Chelsea.

[00:51:23] Yeah.

[00:51:23] At the bottom of the structure anymore.

[00:51:25] Yes.

[00:51:25] And so so you've got that.

[00:51:28] So this is when you kind of start to link up with Brooklyn more.

[00:51:31] Yes.

[00:51:32] And do you feel like within the Pentagon, like what is your sort of feeling structurally there?

[00:51:38] Like, you know, you feel like you have influence over Brooklyn.

[00:51:42] Do you still feel like you have influence over Cedric at that point?

[00:51:46] Because you were still close to Cedric, but it felt like you were losing Cam.

[00:51:49] Yes.

[00:51:50] So Cedric during our week one, like we really, truly bonded.

[00:51:54] And I didn't I didn't know if Cedric would prioritize Cam over me.

[00:52:01] It was too early to figure that out.

[00:52:02] However, like Cedric was coming to me even after my HOH when he won the next week.

[00:52:09] Like, what should I do?

[00:52:10] Should I try to win?

[00:52:10] Like he came to me like big sister, help me, like tell me what to do.

[00:52:15] And so he really found a lot of comfort in me.

[00:52:18] So I knew I had enough influence over Cedric to try to pull him.

[00:52:22] I knew Quinn.

[00:52:23] I didn't really know where Quinn's at.

[00:52:24] And then Brooklyn and I are developing this relationship.

[00:52:27] So again, I'm not looking at the Pentagon as a structure or a hierarchy group.

[00:52:32] I'm looking at it as five people who are starting to develop more trust as a team.

[00:52:37] Like, that's honestly how I'm looking at it.

[00:52:39] I am starting to notice I have I have influence within the group.

[00:52:44] And then I'm also noticing that they're looking to me to lead in a lot of ways.

[00:52:49] So I'm starting to notice, oh, wow, they kind of are starting to see me as the glue.

[00:52:54] And I don't I didn't want to be seen as the glue.

[00:52:56] And Quinn, a couple of weeks later, we'll probably get to it.

[00:52:59] It was when oh, when he was going to use his power during his HOH.

[00:53:04] And he was having all these one on ones with the whole house in a suit.

[00:53:06] And he told me he was like, listen, I kind of see you as the captain of the Pentagon, the leader of the Pentagon.

[00:53:12] And that made me that freaked me out because I'm like, oh, hold on.

[00:53:18] Because if this leaks, if the Pentagon leaks, then they're going to try to point it as if I started this.

[00:53:24] If I was and I did, I wasn't. So I just wanted to be part of the group, part of the team.

[00:53:31] So Quinn was trying to like he I think honestly felt like I was a leader.

[00:53:35] And maybe it's because I had the influence with everybody within the Pentagon.

[00:53:39] I did feel like not necessarily that I was losing Cam.

[00:53:43] But for me, if I'm putting my whole trust into a five, my fear was, is Cam going to take this information and disperse it to Leah, who I knew was going to then spread it around.

[00:53:57] So that was my primary issue. You're supposed to be locked in with us.

[00:54:01] Yet you're spending a lot of time and getting very close and googly eyed with somebody.

[00:54:06] You have these love goggles on. Is this going to leak?

[00:54:10] Is the Pentagon going to leak because you're in love? That was my fear.

[00:54:14] So I got very frustrated at like you're trying to form a relationship with somebody who is not within the five.

[00:54:20] Bring her in or keep her out. You cannot do both because we see how showmances and things work.

[00:54:27] People throw their game away for a showmance.

[00:54:30] And if Cam is linked to me and he's willing to to throw his game away, that affects me as a game player.

[00:54:36] So that was my biggest issue throughout the whole season that people thought it was a personal.

[00:54:41] Chelsea's in love, yada, yada, yada. No, Chelsea is worried about losing a number because of we saw day 10 that the house doesn't like showmances.

[00:54:51] So I'm just.

[00:54:55] Oh, yeah.

[00:54:56] So I'm seeing Cam like put himself in a position that ultimately was going to hurt me and lose make me lose a number.

[00:55:04] So that was my primary frustration. So I did feel like I was losing him as a number in my influence on Cam.

[00:55:12] I felt like I was being lost to Leah, who I didn't really trust.

[00:55:15] So there was a lot of issues with that. Yeah.

[00:55:17] Yeah. So you. Yeah. You mentioned this. This thing.

[00:55:20] There's definitely I mean, it's really over the course of the season that there's a lot.

[00:55:25] There's there's a lot of talk about you and Cam and what went on between the two of you.

[00:55:31] What was promised? What was not promised? What's going on?

[00:55:35] What is your what do you what do you want to say about the whole situation?

[00:55:41] Fans are crazy with all this Camzy crap was insane when we got out of the house.

[00:55:47] I was like, there's a whole movement. This is insane.

[00:55:50] What I will say without getting in trouble is there is a lot of like a narrative that was trying to be pushed that I wouldn't say wasn't fully accurate.

[00:56:02] And so I'm just like at this point, what what you need, what you want me to say?

[00:56:07] Like, that's not fully the truth, but what?

[00:56:09] Let's go. So there was a lot of narrative that people saw that's like, oh, Chelsea is this jealous.

[00:56:16] And she thinks her and Cam are going to be a thing.

[00:56:18] And I will say Cam and I are great friends.

[00:56:21] There were conversations that were not on the live feeds.

[00:56:25] I saw there's like the rock room.

[00:56:27] Live feeds were always shut off when camera.

[00:56:30] And that was true. There's a lot.

[00:56:31] It was it was it was a wild time because it was like they keep talking about these conversations that we haven't seen.

[00:56:39] And it's very frustrating.

[00:56:42] So I'm going to say, like, I will Cam and I and our friendship will continue to be protected outside the house.

[00:56:49] His side of the story, he can tell.

[00:56:51] But for me, I'll say there were conversations that were had that were not on the live feed.

[00:56:57] So a lot of people are creating narratives about what they think.

[00:56:59] I'm like, y'all missed a lot of stuff.

[00:57:01] That's all I'm going to say.

[00:57:03] And but I did my primary frustration for me to clear the record, set the record straight was not necessarily.

[00:57:13] I felt a way that Cam was flirting with other girls and wasn't flirting with me that when I saw him and Leah like doing their thing week two, that was like, you know, out the window.

[00:57:23] When you see somebody flirt so heavily, like in front of you for all we have is each other in the house.

[00:57:29] We're each other's TV.

[00:57:30] So when you're watching this for two and a half weeks, you kind of back off at the thought of being interested in somebody who's so head over heels as another person.

[00:57:40] I'm not that girl.

[00:57:41] So I was like, oh, whatever.

[00:57:42] That's like, let me keep it pushing.

[00:57:43] My primary frustration.

[00:57:45] My primary frustration the whole season is I knew that Cam, when Brooklyn left or got evicted, I knew he really was at that time the only person that I trusted and the only person that I had.

[00:57:56] So I'm like, we don't it's us against the world is what it felt like in the house.

[00:58:01] Our games got blown up.

[00:58:03] Our Cedric is gone.

[00:58:05] Brooklyn's gone.

[00:58:06] Quinn blew it up.

[00:58:07] So it's me and you friend.

[00:58:10] Like, so I knew he was all that I had.

[00:58:13] So Cam's position in the house affected me and my position in the house.

[00:58:18] So for me, my frustration was you are still putting yourself in a position to be seen as a showmance with multiple people.

[00:58:27] And that is not good for your game, which is in turn not good for my game.

[00:58:34] I need you here, Cam.

[00:58:36] I need you here as a number and I need you here as a shield and a level of comfort.

[00:58:39] So that was my biggest frustration that was twisted as jealousy.

[00:58:44] But I didn't come on the show to get married.

[00:58:47] I came on Big Brother to win $750,000.

[00:58:52] So I can have a crush every now, but that's not my priority.

[00:58:57] Keep it pushing.

[00:58:58] How do I position myself well in this game?

[00:59:00] And Cam just not being smart in some areas of the game socially,

[00:59:06] I knew was going to affect me as a game player if he was going to get booted out.

[00:59:11] So that was where I went into high gear of like, stop being dumb.

[00:59:15] Like people are linking y'all together and it's putting attention on you that doesn't need to be there.

[00:59:21] We need attention off.

[00:59:22] So that's setting the record straight with Camzy.

[00:59:26] Okay.

[00:59:26] At Post-A-Show, we are great friends.

[00:59:29] He will be with me this week.

[00:59:30] Like we're great friends.

[00:59:32] We're figuring life out as like normal human beings.

[00:59:35] But in the show, I'm like, that's the last thing on my mind.

[00:59:38] What's on my mind is how do we get to the end?

[00:59:41] And you're, it's like, you're not thinking, you're thinking about how to get rubbed.

[00:59:46] Like screw the cuddling.

[00:59:48] How do we compete, Cam?

[00:59:50] So yeah.

[00:59:51] Let me sweat with that one.

[00:59:53] The jump on the bed that was heard around the world.

[00:59:59] Would it be fair to say like that, that it's not like there were never any feelings at all, but that like sort of many of the narratives that were spun are like much exaggerated in terms of like how they like.

[01:00:16] It was all like a mixture of things.

[01:00:19] There was primarily strategy, but a little bit of some other stuff.

[01:00:21] But it was not what a lot of people made it out to be is basically what I'm hearing.

[01:00:25] There was an exaggerated narrative for sure that was trying to be pushed.

[01:00:30] There is no more showmances on the show at that time.

[01:00:33] So it's like, what else do we have?

[01:00:36] Cam and Chelsea.

[01:00:37] So there were some, you know, exaggerated things there.

[01:00:41] And I can't, I'm not going to sit here and say like, I didn't have feelings for Cam.

[01:00:45] There were moments and spurts where Cam is just comfortable to me.

[01:00:50] Like he is a safe space for me.

[01:00:53] We had a level of banter in the house that like, I knew I could bag him.

[01:00:57] I know I could clown him.

[01:00:58] I knew I could just go in and, and we're still.

[01:01:02] You certainly did.

[01:01:02] Yeah, I did.

[01:01:04] Which is so crazy because the world I found out hated me for it.

[01:01:09] And Cam would walk into some of my, like Chelsea's Cheesemade session of me holding up his shoes and like, and he would come and join some of those sessions.

[01:01:18] So he knew we had a level of banter early on where we can kind of clown each other.

[01:01:23] He called me a bootleg Aaliyah.

[01:01:25] So like, so we had this level of comfort, which is a testament to our friendship where I knew I could clown him and have fun.

[01:01:35] But people didn't see, they're not seeing how our friendship is growing in the house.

[01:01:39] I feel comfortable doing this to Cam.

[01:01:41] Cam feels comfortable doing this, but the world's like, how dare she?

[01:01:46] I can't wait till Cam's.

[01:01:47] And I'm like, oh my gosh, this is just our friendship.

[01:01:51] So I started to develop a care for him as, as a friend at that point.

[01:01:55] I was not thinking anything romantically, but the more everybody will see, like when you get to know Cam outside of the house,

[01:02:01] the more you get to know him, the more you like him.

[01:02:05] He's a phenomenal human.

[01:02:07] And so I saw that in the house.

[01:02:08] He frustrated me as a game player, but the more I got to know him as Cam, the more I'm like, you are really going to be part of my life for a long time.

[01:02:16] And I, I started to care about him, but my romantic eyes, I was there to play.

[01:02:22] I really was.

[01:02:23] And so I, I cared, I care about him deeply as a friend, but I wasn't like, there are some exaggerated narratives there for sure.

[01:02:30] I was here for the, I was here for it.

[01:02:32] I'm like, what y'all want?

[01:02:33] Let's make this spicy.

[01:02:34] So that's that on that.

[01:02:36] That is that on that.

[01:02:40] So, uh, back to week two.

[01:02:43] And I, I promise we will, we'll try to pick up the pace a little bit.

[01:02:48] But back to week two.

[01:02:49] Uh, so, um, I think that one of the things that we mentioned, cause I think that you have, you make a very good point, which is that you absolutely should be worried about a blooming showmance.

[01:02:59] Showmances are probably one of the number one reasons why these alliances blow up, um, is because, you know, it's the Kyle situation, BB 24.

[01:03:08] It's like, you know, uh, to some degree, the Korean America situation, BB 25.

[01:03:14] Um, there's always this conflict if the showmance is not involved in the thing.

[01:03:17] And I do think that generally the strategy is just pull the person in, um, or just cut it off at the root.

[01:03:23] Right.

[01:03:24] Um, so, uh, you are, I think, justifiably concerned about this situation, but unfortunately for you, that's kind of the distraction.

[01:03:33] And the real danger is Quinn running around, getting into a visionary's showmance.

[01:03:39] I had no, I want to know how I found out about the visionary and all of Quinn's craziness was after the show, I'm on Instagram live.

[01:03:47] And people were like, have you heard about the visionaries?

[01:03:51] I caught it.

[01:03:52] I saw it in the thing.

[01:03:54] I was like visionaries.

[01:03:55] So I hit up Brooklyn.

[01:03:56] I said, explain to me, what is a visionary?

[01:04:01] She told me.

[01:04:02] So I started to do a little deep dive myself with some of the house guests.

[01:04:06] I had no idea Quinn was running rampant in the house.

[01:04:10] I had no idea.

[01:04:12] It definitely was a distraction.

[01:04:14] My concern with cam and his showmance was a distraction to what was actually happening.

[01:04:19] It could have really royally screwed up my game, uh, had week five not happened.

[01:04:23] So yeah, Quinn, I had no idea.

[01:04:27] Yeah.

[01:04:28] Um, so, uh, let's talk about the almost nominating cam thing because, um, you probably already

[01:04:36] heard a little bit of my story about this, but it was just that I'm, I'm watching you

[01:04:40] talk to Mackenzie and Leah who are pushing for like cam to go up on the block all of a

[01:04:45] sudden.

[01:04:46] And I'm like, I don't even know why they're doing that.

[01:04:48] Um, but like they're doing that and I'm like, okay, Chelsea is just, you know, she's just

[01:04:53] saying what do they want to hear?

[01:04:54] Obviously she's not cam.

[01:04:56] Like that's very dangerous at this point in the game.

[01:04:57] You don't, you don't realize it, but like Quinn probably votes cam out if he goes on

[01:05:01] the block.

[01:05:03] I know.

[01:05:04] So it would have been real bad.

[01:05:06] Um, so, um, so I'm like, there's no way this is actually happening.

[01:05:12] Then they pull cam in and cam is like saying no at first.

[01:05:15] I'm of course, he's going to say no, thank God.

[01:05:17] And then he starts agreeing to like cam, uh, tell me the story.

[01:05:23] So I am sitting here struggling with that third nominee.

[01:05:26] Who do I put up again?

[01:05:28] I'm trying to win over Leah and Mackenzie.

[01:05:30] So how do I, they're on the opposite side of the house.

[01:05:34] How do I get them to feel like we're doing this HOH together?

[01:05:37] That was my pure thing.

[01:05:39] I was feeding them what they wanted to hear.

[01:05:41] What, who do y'all want?

[01:05:42] And then when they, Leah of all people mentions cam, I'm thoroughly confused.

[01:05:46] Because I'm like, this is your man at the time.

[01:05:49] What do you mean cam?

[01:05:52] So I get frustrated on a personal level for cam that like this girl you're all over is

[01:05:57] throwing your name out to go on the block.

[01:05:59] Like this is pretty crazy to me.

[01:06:02] So for me, I don't know if they showed this, but I, I was like in my head, I'm like, cam

[01:06:07] is the last person y'all should be considering to put on this block.

[01:06:11] So I told their tales.

[01:06:12] Well, y'all go, y'all go bring him, like go bring him up here.

[01:06:15] So I told them to go fetch cam.

[01:06:18] So cam knows like, this was not a Chelsea idea.

[01:06:21] Let me show you how these girls are so easily willing to throw you under the bus in a moment

[01:06:27] where they feel like they're trying to, you know, get on the up and up.

[01:06:30] So when cam's in the room and we're having a conversation, I'm like, you know, I'm just

[01:06:36] going to let them.

[01:06:37] My goal was let Mackenzie and Leah show their cards to cam.

[01:06:40] Let, let me get cam back into the Pentagon.

[01:06:42] Let me get him to know that really I'm the one you should be trusting with the Pentagon.

[01:06:47] Not these, not these other girls.

[01:06:49] So that was my goal.

[01:06:50] Let me show him.

[01:06:51] That's exactly what I thought at the time.

[01:06:53] I was like, this is what she's doing.

[01:06:54] That's what I was doing.

[01:06:55] And then I'm having the conversation with cam once they leave and the narrative is starting

[01:06:59] to go to like, put me up.

[01:07:01] And I'm like, hold on.

[01:07:02] Now there's really a spell casted over cam.

[01:07:05] If he's willing to like, then again, I'm getting worried about, he's willing to do something

[01:07:10] for two people who are not in the Pentagon.

[01:07:13] So that's where I'm like, something's off.

[01:07:15] I'm losing cam at the end of the day.

[01:07:17] I was not going to put him up, not remotely.

[01:07:20] That was not going to be smart.

[01:07:22] I I've seen the show.

[01:07:23] Uh, pawns go home.

[01:07:26] So I'm like, I, I think I can pull him back in, especially after that fiasco about these

[01:07:32] two, you know, Leah McKenzie trying to throw them under the bus.

[01:07:34] I'm like, surely after this, he's going to be like indebted to the Pentagon.

[01:07:39] So I'm not going to touch him.

[01:07:41] Who is the easier option?

[01:07:42] So that is, was my thought process.

[01:07:44] I was feeding them what they wanted to hear, but also trying to show cam their cards.

[01:07:49] And in some ways it didn't, it didn't work.

[01:07:51] I had to show him that for half the season.

[01:07:54] Yeah.

[01:07:55] I think, cause like, I was waiting for you to like say to him after they left, like, yeah,

[01:08:00] obviously I'm not doing that.

[01:08:01] Um, but instead it was like, it was like, so, and then, and then the whole Cedric situation

[01:08:07] happened after that.

[01:08:08] Well, it showed they didn't watch the show.

[01:08:14] That's what it showed me.

[01:08:15] But with me trying to allot in the house, what I did was I would throw like seeds and see

[01:08:21] what grew and what sprouted.

[01:08:23] So for me, I was trying to see how cam would feel about that conversation.

[01:08:28] Cam, where are you?

[01:08:29] So what's, what's going on?

[01:08:32] That's what I was trying to gauge.

[01:08:33] Cause I was already sketchy about, is he going to leave the Pentagon and, and be paired up

[01:08:39] with them.

[01:08:39] So I'm trying to read him in that moment.

[01:08:42] So I didn't want to directly show my car.

[01:08:44] I'm like, okay, where, how do you feel about this?

[01:08:47] And then the fact that he was like, fine.

[01:08:49] I'm like, now we have a problem.

[01:08:52] What did you mean?

[01:08:53] You're fine.

[01:08:54] So that was my, I was trying to play chess, read 10 steps ahead.

[01:08:58] And, and I was confused as at his willingness to die on a hill for people who weren't part

[01:09:04] of his final five.

[01:09:05] It just didn't make sense to me.

[01:09:07] Okay.

[01:09:07] Well, let's, let's set, set the record straight.

[01:09:09] Did you ever consider at all putting either cam or Cedric on the block?

[01:09:14] Or did you ever consider it at all?

[01:09:16] I would have never put them on the block.

[01:09:18] Okay.

[01:09:19] Never, never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.

[01:09:21] Two.

[01:09:21] I don't have five people I was rocking with.

[01:09:24] I'm not putting two, two of the options I'm working with on the block.

[01:09:27] I'm not doing that.

[01:09:28] Let me tell you the experience of watching it on the feeds because you had that conversation

[01:09:32] with Cedric where he was like, I'll like, he comes and gets you, I think on the stairs

[01:09:37] and he's like, I'll do it.

[01:09:38] And like the feeds cut like right after that.

[01:09:41] They cut.

[01:09:42] So we were for the ceremony.

[01:09:44] So we were like, that's right.

[01:09:45] The ceremony was literally right after that.

[01:09:47] We were like, Oh my God, what is she going to do?

[01:09:51] Gosh.

[01:09:52] No, I looked at Cedric.

[01:09:53] I was like, uh, not doing that.

[01:09:56] I'm not.

[01:09:58] What kind of, no, I'm not doing that.

[01:09:59] He was like, well, you know, I'm just trying to tell you, like, I'll be down for the count.

[01:10:03] And I'm like, well, I'm not down for the count because I don't know how this house is going

[01:10:06] to flip.

[01:10:07] So I was never, I, I had to, then I didn't want to show my cards to any of the house guests

[01:10:12] that I was never going to touch cam and never going to touch Cedric.

[01:10:16] I wanted the house to feel like I was, I had everybody's back.

[01:10:20] So it took to Leah to McKenzie.

[01:10:23] I wanted them to feel like, yeah, I'll consider cam.

[01:10:25] Yeah.

[01:10:26] I'll consider these people.

[01:10:27] Cause I didn't want them to link cam and I together.

[01:10:29] So that was all strategic.

[01:10:31] But at the end of the day, I had my mind set from the jump of soon as I won, it was going

[01:10:36] to be Lisa, Kenny and Angela.

[01:10:38] I already knew that.

[01:10:39] That was the easiest, uh, least amount of blood and to put up my own Alliance members

[01:10:44] would be pretty idiotic that early.

[01:10:47] Yeah.

[01:10:47] Yeah.

[01:10:47] Uh, for the, for what it's worth, uh, cam took,

[01:10:50] a big hit on the stock watch that week for volunteer.

[01:10:54] Yes.

[01:10:55] And while this is one of the two weeks, you weren't the highest, you were the second highest

[01:11:00] still in terms of rate, like you had a six versus the highest was a seven.

[01:11:03] So seven, the sevens were chemo and T core that week.

[01:11:08] Wow.

[01:11:09] Wow.

[01:11:09] Because at that, at the time they had the visionaries, the underdogs Alliance was building, they

[01:11:15] were pulling in, you know, Tucker and it was starting to look like this like revolution

[01:11:20] was about to happen.

[01:11:21] And then, and then Tucker blows everything up.

[01:11:23] Right.

[01:11:23] So, uh,

[01:11:24] yes.

[01:11:25] How can we forget my, okay.

[01:11:26] So how legit were the visionaries?

[01:11:30] Like how legit and who initiated the visionaries?

[01:11:33] Was it Quinn?

[01:11:34] I mean, so Quinn and, uh, chemo were super close at the beginning.

[01:11:38] They were have knots together.

[01:11:39] Um, and he told chemo about his power very early on.

[01:11:43] Um, and chemo and T core were very close early on as well.

[01:11:48] Um, and so the three of them came together, um, and he told them about the Pentagon and

[01:11:54] like all of this stuff.

[01:11:57] I think he told them about the Pentagon in week two, if I'm remembering correctly.

[01:12:01] You're kidding.

[01:12:03] That early is crazy.

[01:12:05] Yeah.

[01:12:05] It definitely had to have been week two because it was that knowledge that made us feel like,

[01:12:09] okay, they, I mean, they are now the most knowledgeable people in the house in terms

[01:12:12] of the structure.

[01:12:13] Um, and, and also at the same time, they were super well connected.

[01:12:17] Their social games were, were very good.

[01:12:19] Um, like, you know, things were looking very positive for that duo.

[01:12:25] Um, and in the meantime, we were a little bit like, uh, okay, Quinn, you're doing too

[01:12:29] much.

[01:12:31] I listened to his, I'm telling you his five hours.

[01:12:34] I was so confused.

[01:12:35] Cause I was, I was like, what was the, okay.

[01:12:38] It was just doing a lot unnecessarily.

[01:12:41] Uh, so I was just overwhelmed.

[01:12:43] Quinn listening to him.

[01:12:44] What were you doing?

[01:12:46] So you take Lisa out easy week.

[01:12:50] Um, Cedric wins the following week.

[01:12:53] Uh, in the meantime, there's all this drama with Angela and Quinn, uh, which you were a

[01:12:58] part of, to some degree because Quinn tells T core T core tells you, you tell Angela the

[01:13:04] whole thing blows up.

[01:13:05] Um, so, uh, we don't have to like get into the nitty gritty of that cause it wasn't super

[01:13:10] relevant, uh, to your game.

[01:13:12] Um, although it was to some degree because it was, it's what led leads to Angela blowing

[01:13:17] up Quinn's power to Tucker, who then confirms with chemo, who then gets that confirmation

[01:13:22] and then blows the whole underdogs lines up.

[01:13:24] So in some ways it's really the, the, the, the spark that lights the explosion.

[01:13:30] I'm grateful.

[01:13:31] And it did cause expose a lot of stuff to me, but yeah, I went, I, Angela showed me a lot

[01:13:38] that week.

[01:13:39] I was like, Oh my God, I didn't mean for this conversation to completely blow up the

[01:13:44] whole house, including, uh, Quinn's Tucker or Quinn's, um, power.

[01:13:51] And then eventually my game.

[01:13:52] So that was just.

[01:13:54] And what I, yeah, what I will say about it too, is that, and you probably heard this a

[01:13:58] little bit from Quinn is that it did kind of tell people in the house or show people in

[01:14:03] the house that you were really close to T core because T core told you that information.

[01:14:08] And I don't think it was even, uh, like from my memory watching it, it wasn't like a, Hey,

[01:14:13] we're secretly aligned.

[01:14:14] Let me share this information.

[01:14:15] It was more of a, just like conversation.

[01:14:17] Like, Hey, I heard Angela said this.

[01:14:20] So Angela, you're talking about Angela talking about this is the group.

[01:14:25] So it wasn't even T core that told me it was Cedric.

[01:14:29] Oh, right.

[01:14:30] Yeah, no, you're right.

[01:14:31] I forgot about that.

[01:14:33] So the T core talks to Cedric.

[01:14:34] Yeah.

[01:14:36] So the T core thing, uh, maybe we'll get to that in a couple of weeks, but like, uh,

[01:14:40] within this podcast, but the T core and I think was very interesting how people like

[01:14:45] really tightly paired us together.

[01:14:47] Cause Cedric was the one that came up to me before Vito.

[01:14:50] He was like, yo, just let you know, Angela said this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[01:14:55] I didn't want, because I knew Angela had the ability to do this in the house and I didn't

[01:15:00] want her to spread something that was false.

[01:15:02] So, or spread anything.

[01:15:03] So my intention was, let me dissolve this just with Angela.

[01:15:07] Let me go talk to Angela.

[01:15:09] But before I do, I want to make sure that what Cedric is telling me is correct.

[01:15:13] So I went to Quinn.

[01:15:14] I said, Hey, I'm going to talk to Angela, not to blow up your game, but I don't need her.

[01:15:20] And I'm thinking I'm trusting Quinn at this moment, mind you, he's still Pentagon for life.

[01:15:24] So I'm thinking like, this is between us.

[01:15:27] It's not going to blow up.

[01:15:28] Quinn, you have my back, whatever.

[01:15:30] So Quinn tells me it's true.

[01:15:31] I go back to Angela and try to dissolve it and have a one-on-one conversation.

[01:15:37] Didn't know she was gone.

[01:15:39] And then she was like, don't worry.

[01:15:41] I, I, you know, I'm not going to have a blow up.

[01:15:43] Cause there are so many times in the house I've had to calm Angela down and have literally

[01:15:48] mentoring therapy sessions with her hours upon end.

[01:15:51] So this was yet another conversation where I was like, don't blow up.

[01:15:54] This won't be good for your game.

[01:15:56] I'm not feeling a way about you spreading this.

[01:15:58] I just want to let you know, this stays between us.

[01:16:01] And, uh, I wanted to dissolve any type of, or bring clarity to this.

[01:16:05] She's like, I said, don't be mad at Quinn.

[01:16:07] Quinn didn't come to me.

[01:16:08] I'm not going to tell you who did, but Quinn didn't come and tell me about this information.

[01:16:12] So don't be upset with him.

[01:16:14] I found it out through the grapevine.

[01:16:16] She's like, don't worry.

[01:16:17] I'm not going to tell this stays between us.

[01:16:19] Not even joking.

[01:16:21] Four minutes later.

[01:16:23] It's immediate.

[01:16:24] It's immediate blow up.

[01:16:26] And I'm outside and then T-Corp comes out crying.

[01:16:29] And I'm like, why is T-Corp crying?

[01:16:32] Why is Quinn teary eyed?

[01:16:34] It was just a whole, not even 10 minutes later.

[01:16:38] I was like, now this is not good for me.

[01:16:41] It was a hot mess.

[01:16:43] Oh my goodness.

[01:16:43] But the T-Corp thing was interesting.

[01:16:45] Have you seen this in the episode yet?

[01:16:47] No, I have not.

[01:16:48] Okay.

[01:16:49] So I, I, cause I think what happens is, you know, Angela confronts Quinn in the bathroom

[01:16:54] and then T-Corp comes in and is like, what's happening?

[01:16:57] And, and Angela starts explaining like, Hey, I basically, you know, uh, I, I know that you,

[01:17:04] I, this thing that Quinn said, and I heard from Chelsea and, and T-Corp is like, Oh yeah,

[01:17:11] sorry.

[01:17:11] I said something.

[01:17:12] Um, I, so I, I think it's kind of like, I think it gets connected there.

[01:17:17] Um, and, uh, and, and, and so like people, I think at that point start connecting like,

[01:17:23] okay, well T-Corp is telling Chelsea things.

[01:17:25] Um, but yeah, you're right.

[01:17:27] It actually went through Cedric.

[01:17:28] Um, but of course nobody's going to believe, nobody's going to believe that T-Corp is close

[01:17:32] to Cedric after she flips the house on him.

[01:17:36] So I didn't like T-Corp didn't tell me anything at that time.

[01:17:40] All she and I solidified was like, we're not going to touch each other till jury.

[01:17:44] We're going to have each other's back.

[01:17:45] That was the only conversation we had about really having each other's back.

[01:17:49] And then we were in the collective together, but T-Corp was even on the outs of the collective

[01:17:53] for me, I was Pentagon.

[01:17:55] So when people started to spin that narrative within the house of like Chelsea T-Corp, that

[01:18:01] makes sense because Angela really pushed for that.

[01:18:04] She did.

[01:18:05] And, and, uh, and I, and it gets more than I'm, I'm, I don't know how much you've heard,

[01:18:09] but like a huge narrative of the season was T-Corp seems so much more invested in Chelsea

[01:18:15] than Chelsea is invested in T-Corp.

[01:18:18] And I don't know how much you knew about that throughout the season, but like the way,

[01:18:22] the way she talked about you as a player, it, it was like, it was as if you were her number

[01:18:28] one.

[01:18:28] Um, and we were like, is this another one that we're like missing the conversations on the

[01:18:34] feeds?

[01:18:34] No, I don't hear Chelsea even talking to T-Corp that much.

[01:18:38] No, no, there was no live feeds that were cut.

[01:18:41] Like, uh, that T-Corp and I have a mutual, like respect for each other as humans, like

[01:18:48] obsessed with each other.

[01:18:49] So to this day, like, so I think her talking highly about me and my game in the house, uh,

[01:18:54] reflected how she felt about me as a person.

[01:18:57] Now I don't want to put words in her mouth, but we genuinely had a mutual love for each

[01:19:00] other.

[01:19:00] But I knew if it was me, Kimo, Kimo, Rubina and her final four, I'm at the lower end of

[01:19:08] that.

[01:19:09] I knew.

[01:19:10] We don't even know, honestly.

[01:19:11] So that's the whole thing, which is so crazy.

[01:19:15] That's honestly crazy to me because it T-Corp did say like she, her priority was Rubina and

[01:19:22] myself, but I knew how close her and Kimo were.

[01:19:25] And I knew that she saved Rubina over set.

[01:19:30] Like I knew the house flip that week that T-Corp was really going to rock with people

[01:19:34] she was closest to in the house and the house, her, her and I were not closer than her and

[01:19:39] Rubina and her and Kimo.

[01:19:40] So I knew I was in the lower end.

[01:19:42] Now when it came to my, everybody's like, Oh, Chelsea didn't fight for T-Corp the way

[01:19:46] that T-Corp fought for, for me.

[01:19:48] It's like, uh, I was not, if I ever had power, I was not going to touch T-Corp until probably

[01:19:55] final five, maybe final four.

[01:19:57] Again, you talked a long time about with Cam and multiple people about bringing T-Corp

[01:20:02] to end game for sure.

[01:20:03] End game.

[01:20:04] She, she was.

[01:20:05] You just didn't talk to her that much about it.

[01:20:06] Yes.

[01:20:07] Yes.

[01:20:07] Because that was just the thing that I was like, I'm not touching.

[01:20:10] And T-Corp and Kimo fought for me really hard during when Tucker was trying to get

[01:20:14] me out.

[01:20:14] So I knew these people have my, like they have my back over most.

[01:20:18] So keeping them around longer is going to benefit me.

[01:20:21] But also I knew T-Corp had a level of love for me that I had back for her.

[01:20:25] So I'm like, I'm not touching T-Corp.

[01:20:27] Now I'm not going to bend over backwards to try to keep her if other people are trying to

[01:20:32] touch her because everybody was already Chelsea and T-Corp final two.

[01:20:38] Tucker started the rumor.

[01:20:40] Angela started the rumor.

[01:20:41] So for me during Janky World, I did not.

[01:20:44] And I know I'm fast forwarding ahead, but I did not want T-Corp to go home.

[01:20:48] Like Cam and McKenzie brought that to me saying, okay, T-Corp is going home.

[01:20:52] I was shocked by it.

[01:20:53] I couldn't show them my level of shock and like, you guys are stupid.

[01:20:58] Because again, they had a concern with my closest with T-Corp.

[01:21:02] I'm trying to position myself to where nobody feels like, oh, Chelsea and T-Corp are really

[01:21:07] in a final two.

[01:21:08] I didn't want people to like Angela and Tucker's rumor to be solidified by me fighting hard

[01:21:14] for T-Corp.

[01:21:15] So for me, I'm just like, okay, whatever y'all want.

[01:21:18] And then I had conversations with Cam after the fact, like that wasn't the move.

[01:21:22] Not at all.

[01:21:23] T-Corp being around because T-Corp would have stuck close to me.

[01:21:28] And I think I would have had influence to protect Cam even in that.

[01:21:32] So I lost T-Corp.

[01:21:33] Yeah, that's easily, I think, your biggest strategic hit in the end game is losing T-Corp.

[01:21:39] Losing T-Corp.

[01:21:40] I did not want that.

[01:21:41] Yeah, there was this brief moment where we were like, oh, here we go.

[01:21:45] McKenzie has woken up.

[01:21:46] She wants to win this game.

[01:21:48] And then the next week she went back to sleep.

[01:21:51] And then the next week was my H-O-H.

[01:21:53] Yeah.

[01:21:54] Yeah.

[01:21:54] So that was like, I was to set the record straight.

[01:21:58] I was about T-Corp.

[01:21:59] I was not going to touch her.

[01:22:01] And if she was in the final five with me, I was going to position myself to where I didn't

[01:22:06] have to touch anybody.

[01:22:07] Like I didn't have to make that decision, which I did a lot.

[01:22:10] Final seven and on.

[01:22:12] Like I'm going to put myself in positions where I don't have to really touch.

[01:22:16] I'm going to let everybody else do the dirty work.

[01:22:18] So T-Corp was going to have her back.

[01:22:20] If I had power, I was not going to use the power against her.

[01:22:24] I was going to use the power to benefit her.

[01:22:26] However, if power is not in my hands, I'm not going to let the cards fall where they

[01:22:30] may.

[01:22:31] Yeah.

[01:22:31] And it was funny because there was a point in time and I think it probably existed throughout,

[01:22:36] but like you were probably the, for both of you, you were probably the only person that

[01:22:41] the other one might not beat in the final two.

[01:22:44] Like T-Corp beats everybody except for maybe you and you beat everybody except for maybe

[01:22:48] her.

[01:22:49] Yes.

[01:22:50] One million percent.

[01:22:52] T-Corp in the end, like her eviction.

[01:22:55] When I tell you everybody was sobbing, like she was so light.

[01:23:00] So even by, I could not touch T-Corp, like probably at the detriment of my game.

[01:23:07] So I am telling you, any woman of power, T-Corp is not an option for me.

[01:23:12] Not remote.

[01:23:12] Even over Cam, T-Corp is saying.

[01:23:17] So, so T-Corp is my girl, but yeah, fighting for her publicly would have put me in a position

[01:23:24] that would have been bad.

[01:23:25] So I couldn't do that.

[01:23:27] So, um, Cedric, HOH, the Tucker thing happens.

[01:23:33] Um, so basically the, the, the series of events is that, uh, and you probably heard a little

[01:23:39] bit of it with Quinn's deep dive, but like, uh, Tucker final straw with Quinn.

[01:23:44] He decides to rat out Quinn to, uh, to Cam, um, who then lets Cedric know.

[01:23:50] And then later they all have a conversation about it.

[01:23:52] Um, and Tucker wants to orchestrate the strategy of, I'm going to use the veto on Angela so I

[01:23:57] can beat Quinn in the AI arena and we'll take out Quinn this week.

[01:24:01] Um, and, uh, he proposes this to Cedric.

[01:24:05] Cedric talks it over with Cam.

[01:24:06] They both agree.

[01:24:07] The play should be keep Quinn on board for now.

[01:24:12] Keep this in our back pocket.

[01:24:13] We do not trust Quinn from now on, uh, because Cedric had a final two with Quinn, um, that

[01:24:20] I think he was pretty loyal to.

[01:24:23] Which is crazy.

[01:24:26] Why didn't Quinn want a final two with me?

[01:24:28] I got a problem with that though.

[01:24:30] I think he was probably too, he was probably like, she's, she's too smart.

[01:24:34] I don't know.

[01:24:36] Yeah.

[01:24:36] A hundred percent.

[01:24:38] Yeah.

[01:24:38] I didn't know Cam and Cedric had trepidation about Quinn.

[01:24:41] I didn't know that they didn't.

[01:24:42] Yeah.

[01:24:42] They were like fully, they were like, we're, we're keeping him for now, but we will strike

[01:24:46] later.

[01:24:47] Um, um, but you and Brooklyn seemed to be pretty chill about the whole thing.

[01:24:52] Like, oh, he had a power, whatever.

[01:24:54] Yes.

[01:24:55] I was not.

[01:24:56] I felt again, I'm putting all my eggs in this basket.

[01:24:59] I really like Quinn and I want to see him in the final five point blank period.

[01:25:04] So the fact that he had a power, didn't share anything.

[01:25:07] I was like, if I was in his shoes, I probably would have done the same thing.

[01:25:10] Emmy being a fan of the show.

[01:25:12] It's like, it's not smart to not share your power.

[01:25:15] Little did I know he shared it all right with people that.

[01:25:20] So that was the thing, right?

[01:25:21] Like the kid shared it with chemo when chemo is the reason why Tucker knew.

[01:25:24] So that was the big red flag for, for Cam and Cedric.

[01:25:28] How did, how did you feel?

[01:25:29] Cause his explanation was, I think I felt bad.

[01:25:33] Um, and, uh, and just decided to tell him and it was early on.

[01:25:37] So I didn't find out that Quinn, that series of events until a couple of weeks after that,

[01:25:43] to be honest.

[01:25:44] I wasn't sure.

[01:25:45] Yeah.

[01:25:46] Yeah.

[01:25:46] As we're outworking conversation, then I'm finding out that chemo was the one that, that

[01:25:51] told and chemo was acting really weird that week.

[01:25:54] He wears his emotions on his face and his sleeve.

[01:25:56] So you can always tell when something was off of chemo.

[01:25:58] So I knew he was acting really nervous during that week as if he was the reason why this blow

[01:26:04] up happened.

[01:26:04] But, uh, I didn't know that Quinn told chemo like that information.

[01:26:10] I didn't, I had no idea until weeks later where things fizzled down to where I wasn't,

[01:26:15] had I known earlier, I would have been very frustrated and I would have been way more on

[01:26:19] guard about Quinn, but I didn't know.

[01:26:21] So that didn't really faze me.

[01:26:23] I'm like, I would have done the same thing.

[01:26:25] Quinn, you're good.

[01:26:26] I got your back.

[01:26:27] You're fine.

[01:26:28] I don't feel a way.

[01:26:29] Well, how dumb I had.

[01:26:31] I was so Quinn got me first couple of weeks.

[01:26:35] Oh man.

[01:26:36] Yeah.

[01:26:37] Well, uh, Kenny ends up leaving.

[01:26:40] Obviously Tucker, if he hadn't won would have gone there, but, um, instead we lose Kenny

[01:26:45] and, uh, he finally gets his wish.

[01:26:48] Um, yep.

[01:26:52] Is basically automatic HOH the following week.

[01:26:55] He would love to go after Angela, but he can't because she won HOH herself.

[01:26:59] Um, and that means of course that he needs somebody to replace Angela on the block.

[01:27:06] He's thinking about Rubina, uh, but decides against it because, uh, he doesn't want to

[01:27:11] upset T-Cor and chemo if he doesn't have to.

[01:27:14] And so instead he looks at Cedric who volunteers.

[01:27:20] This is the, this is a big one.

[01:27:22] Were they still a final two at that time?

[01:27:26] At that time, Cedric was pretending.

[01:27:28] So their, their final two was always Quinn pretending, but after Cedric's HOH week, they

[01:27:34] were now both pretending.

[01:27:37] Was Quinn ever a real life thing with any final two?

[01:27:41] Uh, I think that he is like most, the person he was most loyal to, the people he was most

[01:27:46] loyal to were T-Cor and chemo for a while, which was, which is wild because they were probably

[01:27:51] two of the people he should have been least, least because they were, we talked about

[01:27:59] this again.

[01:28:00] It's, it was the season of crushes and primarily unrequited crushes.

[01:28:04] Um, and, uh, and that, that also translated to the game where like Quinn had like a strategy

[01:28:11] crush on keep Timo and keep Timo, uh, T-Cor and chemo.

[01:28:16] Um, and it was an unrequited strategy crush because they did not want to play with him

[01:28:21] in the way that he wanted to play with them.

[01:28:23] Which was clear to me in the house.

[01:28:24] That was very clear to me.

[01:28:26] So that's why hindsight is like, that's so weird.

[01:28:29] He was willing to like really rock with these people.

[01:28:32] I'm like, wrong group, wrong group.

[01:28:36] What?

[01:28:36] Yeah.

[01:28:37] I'm putting up Cedric.

[01:28:40] That I didn't really, he didn't really walk me through that until the last, last, last

[01:28:45] minute.

[01:28:45] He's like, okay.

[01:28:46] The, or Cedric told me, Quinn didn't even tell me.

[01:28:49] Cedric's like, Hey, Quinn decided to put me up.

[01:28:53] So the house doesn't really see us being close.

[01:28:55] So for me, I'm like an interesting strategy.

[01:28:58] Um, there's so many people in this house.

[01:29:00] I don't think anybody's looking at Quinn and Cedric as this, like, you know, duo.

[01:29:05] I wasn't.

[01:29:06] So I don't know why you're trying to defend something.

[01:29:09] Because he didn't put him up the previous week when Tucker tried to get him up.

[01:29:14] Oh, that's right.

[01:29:14] You're right.

[01:29:15] That's right.

[01:29:15] Didn't put him up.

[01:29:16] So, uh, still thought it was dumb.

[01:29:19] Um, but I, but I was also like, I, I trusted Quinn even more when the replacement was Rubina.

[01:29:28] And so I'm like, okay, Quinn actually does have our back.

[01:29:33] Cedric is just to protect us, um, to protect the Pentagon.

[01:29:37] This is fine.

[01:29:38] Not ideal, but fine.

[01:29:40] Um, but we see that blew up.

[01:29:44] Yeah.

[01:29:44] Yeah.

[01:29:45] Well, this is basically like Quinn did ask you, but it was a pretty rushed conversation.

[01:29:49] Um, and like how I feel about Cedric.

[01:29:53] Yeah.

[01:29:54] Like he, cause he's, he talked to Cedric and he's like, let me talk to Chelsea and Cam

[01:29:58] and get in Brooklyn and make sure that they're okay with this.

[01:30:00] And so then when he calls you in for your one-on-one, I think it's like, so Cedric's

[01:30:05] ideas to go up on the block.

[01:30:06] Are you fine with that?

[01:30:08] And, um, and I think all of you were kind of like, I guess so.

[01:30:13] So I was just confused at the thought process.

[01:30:16] Like I let them explain it, but I'm like, okay, not my HOH again.

[01:30:21] Like you do your thing.

[01:30:23] As long as I'm not being touched, I'm fine.

[01:30:27] However, uh, I don't see this logic, but if you feel like people are starting to get

[01:30:32] on to the Pentagon, then this could be a fine way to protect it.

[01:30:38] So I wasn't fighting too hard against it.

[01:30:40] And it seemed like his mind was already made up.

[01:30:42] I wasn't trying to do too much scheming that early or, you know, put my foot on the gas.

[01:30:47] It was unnecessary.

[01:30:49] Yeah.

[01:30:50] Um, so, uh, so this is really when, you know, you and Brooklyn are, uh, you know, you and

[01:30:57] Brooklyn the previous week had really, you know, rose to prominence.

[01:31:00] The two of you were now the top rated players on the, on our stock watch.

[01:31:04] Um, and then you maintained that the following week, uh, because we rated before the flip happened.

[01:31:10] Um, um, so, uh, and, and, and let me tell you the reason why we felt like the two of you,

[01:31:20] not, not just because of, um, like the fact that you were both, you know, handling the game

[01:31:25] well, but the, the key to the game at that point, I, when I was saying it that early was

[01:31:30] they have McKenzie and Leah.

[01:31:34] Um, and the fact that they have McKenzie and Leah gives them so much power beyond even the

[01:31:40] structure that they're in.

[01:31:41] Um, why is that?

[01:31:42] Why is that?

[01:31:43] Because these were two extra pieces that nobody else was even looking at.

[01:31:48] Nobody else was bothering with.

[01:31:49] They were being put up on the block as pawns.

[01:31:51] Sure.

[01:31:52] But like, these are people that, uh, were capable of winning competitions.

[01:31:56] McKenzie certainly was, um, and who were also like, especially in the case of McKenzie, just

[01:32:02] looking for a home, just looking for somebody to be loyal to.

[01:32:05] And those players are so valuable as we will later see in the season.

[01:32:09] Um, and so, uh, the fact that you had those two as, as extra votes and numbers meant that

[01:32:16] you had so much power.

[01:32:17] However, we were a little concerned because it felt like you were not being super active

[01:32:26] about maintaining them as numbers.

[01:32:28] Uh, and we were worried that that meant that like, this was just a position you had potentially

[01:32:33] just kind of like found yourself in rather than one you were actively trying to like

[01:32:36] maintain.

[01:32:37] Um, and then we felt like, Oh, this is this exact worry is coming to a head when it's those

[01:32:45] two votes that allow the Cedric vote to happen.

[01:32:47] And those are two votes they should have been able to control.

[01:32:52] Now that I think about it yet, if I had wrangled them to in, um, Cedric was, would have still

[01:32:59] been in the house.

[01:33:00] Here's why I did it.

[01:33:01] I didn't have, I didn't notice a value.

[01:33:05] Cause it was kind of like you had McKenzie and she had Leah at that time.

[01:33:08] I think, yes.

[01:33:09] So I didn't recognize the huge value of McKenzie until I was put on the block.

[01:33:14] So that was that, you know, that week after I think.

[01:33:18] So, but early on, here was my trepidation Leah already week two.

[01:33:23] I was iffy about, she was willing to put herself in a position to be in a showmance.

[01:33:28] She was, she just played a type of game that she was willing to position herself to be a

[01:33:33] target in some ways.

[01:33:35] And then McKenzie was in a showmance.

[01:33:38] And then after that, during Angela's HOH, she was talking about how we need to get Angela

[01:33:43] out.

[01:33:44] So I was like, do I want to, like I said, in the beginning, I wanted to play the game

[01:33:49] with people who I felt like were level-headed position themselves well, because if they did,

[01:33:54] then I'm positioned well.

[01:33:56] So with how they were playing the game, it made me a little scared to be associated with

[01:34:00] them because of how they played, but also they weren't really associating themselves with

[01:34:05] anybody else.

[01:34:06] Right.

[01:34:06] So do I want to be-

[01:34:07] I remember you talking about like, hey, she's following me around.

[01:34:11] And I don't want to be like, don't put me on the out.

[01:34:14] I'm still trying to be on the up and up from being a microchip.

[01:34:17] So I didn't want, I viewed them as they're in their own island.

[01:34:20] And even Lisa tried to join their own island and got booted for it.

[01:34:25] So I, and then they were like, even to Lisa, don't follow us around.

[01:34:30] We don't want to be associated with you.

[01:34:31] So they put themselves in a position where they were isolated on their own island to be

[01:34:36] around them a lot.

[01:34:37] And to play with them would have been separated me from the position.

[01:34:41] I felt like I was in the house, which was good with the majority.

[01:34:44] And the two are just the two.

[01:34:47] So I did not want to align with them for those reasons, not align with them, but I wasn't

[01:34:52] trying hard to influence them that early because of the time of game.

[01:34:56] I saw them playing early on.

[01:34:57] I'm like, that's not smart gameplay.

[01:35:00] Don't be, don't come close to me because don't get me involved in the mess.

[01:35:04] Cause Matt's out, Matt's out for this.

[01:35:07] So I'm not trying to be casualty in the making.

[01:35:10] I'm curious to know if you would agree.

[01:35:13] Cause I'm, I'm thinking about like how to contextualize this.

[01:35:17] Um, because like, there's a thought in my head that is like, okay,

[01:35:22] Chelsea is this very talented player who spent the first half of the season kind of like

[01:35:30] playing it a little safe, a little bit.

[01:35:32] Like, I just want to make sure I'm surviving.

[01:35:34] I just want to make sure I'm like, you know, keeping all of my options open.

[01:35:37] I don't want to take too many risks when I don't have to.

[01:35:40] Then everything blows up.

[01:35:42] You, the next week you find yourself on the block and you're forced to kind of like,

[01:35:45] okay, now I need to push.

[01:35:47] Now I need to go into overdrive.

[01:35:48] And as soon as you start doing that, you're like, oh wait, this is working.

[01:35:52] Like I'm actually really good at this.

[01:35:54] And it's almost like if you had pushed earlier, you know, maybe things would have been different.

[01:35:58] You, maybe you would have found that like you were capable of pulling them in and influencing

[01:36:01] them without getting in trouble.

[01:36:02] But like you were just a little hesitant to in the, in the beginning portion of the game

[01:36:06] because you didn't feel the need to take those risks yet.

[01:36:09] No, there was no need.

[01:36:10] I think I saw a lot of people who were evicted whose game could have really been elongated.

[01:36:16] Had they just like chilled out?

[01:36:18] Like they, a lot of people did an unnecessary defending, unnecessary moves really early on.

[01:36:24] So for me, it's like, I, I was not aware of my influence until after I was put on the

[01:36:30] block and got off.

[01:36:31] Actually when I was on the block is when I realized my influence because I was not an option

[01:36:36] even on the block.

[01:36:37] I knew it was cam and I knew it was Brooklyn.

[01:36:39] So I was like, much to the frustration of Tucker, you were not an option.

[01:36:44] So I'm like the fact that I'm sitting on the block after, after my game was blown up and

[01:36:49] it was revealed I'm in alliances and people still are like, we got you.

[01:36:53] You're fine.

[01:36:54] I knew I had influence in that moment immediately that I have the house I potentially have.

[01:36:59] But prior to that, didn't, didn't know and didn't need to be that influential early

[01:37:05] on in the game.

[01:37:06] So if you don't need to, to be leading the house, like for me, I'm like, I'm not going

[01:37:13] to make moves unless I need to.

[01:37:16] And pulling McKenzie and Leah in, I didn't know that I would really be able to influence

[01:37:21] them that early in the game.

[01:37:22] Had I known I would, I would have pushed hard to have a Cedric stay for sure.

[01:37:26] But then at the same time, I was also really thinking the collective was a thing.

[01:37:32] So I didn't feel the need.

[01:37:34] I'm like, regardless of McKenzie and Leah, the collective is going to be the thing that

[01:37:37] keeps Cedric.

[01:37:38] So I didn't feel the need to push them for that reason alone.

[01:37:41] Didn't know, you know, what was happening and within the collective.

[01:37:47] So had I been aware of that stuff, I would have pushed a little bit harder.

[01:37:52] Again, though, people are like, look at Chippendit, look at the microchips, final two.

[01:37:57] So I even with Brooklyn, I can't push too hard to hold on to somebody if the house is pairing

[01:38:03] me with them.

[01:38:04] Any pair is going to be targeted.

[01:38:06] So I'm like, I'm like, nope, my hands are tied.

[01:38:11] I'm not going to push hard for anybody to show my cards.

[01:38:14] So that's why.

[01:38:15] But really, it was the type of gameplay McKenzie and Leah early on that made me be like, don't

[01:38:20] associate me with that.

[01:38:22] Keep me away.

[01:38:23] I am on the other island.

[01:38:25] Nope.

[01:38:26] I'm curious, like if you.

[01:38:30] Maybe I mean, obviously, you wouldn't change anything because you won the game, but like,

[01:38:34] I guess if you were to either play again or like advise future players, if they're in a

[01:38:41] similar situation to yours, obviously, you felt like you were doing the right thing, given

[01:38:45] the knowledge that you had.

[01:38:46] But unfortunately, you didn't know some things.

[01:38:49] Do you think that you should push even when you don't think you have to in case you're

[01:38:55] missing something or should you play more cautiously in general?

[01:39:01] Because obviously it's specific to the situation.

[01:39:03] It is.

[01:39:04] It's situational for this season specifically.

[01:39:08] We're dealing with AI, the AI arena.

[01:39:10] So the twist.

[01:39:12] So pushing really hard for one person in that situation means you're against two other people

[01:39:17] who could potentially stay.

[01:39:19] So I would for me, I was I felt like I was really calculated on when.

[01:39:25] Like the timing of which I went really hard in the paint to keep or to go after certain

[01:39:30] people.

[01:39:31] So my advice for any future player is like timing is everything.

[01:39:35] And the information you give out is everything.

[01:39:38] So and how early you choose to show your cards could that all can make or break your season.

[01:39:44] So for me, it's like is pushing really hard to save one person.

[01:39:50] Does that set you up well with all the rest of the house guests?

[01:39:54] If it puts you in a bad position, remaining silent or not pushing too hard may position

[01:39:59] you better in the house.

[01:40:01] So that would be my like me going hard in the paint for Cedric would have been me going

[01:40:07] way against Rubina and way against McKenzie.

[01:40:12] And we I saw week one, all three people who Angela put on the block still stayed in the

[01:40:18] game the next week because I put all their tails back up on the block.

[01:40:21] You did.

[01:40:23] So I'm like, y'all, whoever you put on the block could still be here because of this twist.

[01:40:30] So I to push really hard to show my cards was just not smart.

[01:40:35] I think that's a great call, actually, because something we haven't talked a lot about is the

[01:40:40] AI arena and how that changes the game.

[01:40:43] And we talked about all season long that it makes a game like yours, I think, a little

[01:40:48] harder for the majority alliance, which is not normal for a twist.

[01:40:51] Usually it's the opposite.

[01:40:52] Usually the twist is the majority alliances.

[01:40:54] And this is, I think, an example of that where like, think about it.

[01:40:58] If all week long it had been Rubina versus Cedric, I think Cedric stays because you and Brooklyn

[01:41:07] are working on Leah and McKenzie the whole time.

[01:41:09] Yes.

[01:41:10] Because of the uncertainty and the chances of that specific two people being on the block

[01:41:16] in the first place were so low that like not made it so low, but like not high enough to

[01:41:20] be worth spending all this social capital on a situation that might not even happen.

[01:41:25] Yes.

[01:41:25] That it becomes, and that's, I think, the strength of the twist is that like it created a situation

[01:41:31] where it would have been probably a lot easier for you if it had been the other way around.

[01:41:36] The twist jacked me up.

[01:41:37] That's all I got to say.

[01:41:38] The twist, because you can't, but that was my superpower Tucker's week, was like, you have

[01:41:45] to be very cautious of your timing of conversations.

[01:41:48] So for me, when I really wanted Tucker to go home, I had that conversation the night before.

[01:41:54] Angela, her idea of getting Tucker out was right.

[01:41:58] I was like, go Angela.

[01:42:00] Internally, I'm like, yes, finally somebody.

[01:42:02] But I'm like, that was too premature.

[01:42:05] You have that conversation too soon because there's days to talk and there's still an option.

[01:42:09] Tucker's still here.

[01:42:09] So for me, to have that conversation about keeping Cedric no matter what too early and

[01:42:16] then Cedric potentially not winning could set me up really bad.

[01:42:22] So the twist just messed.

[01:42:23] Any type of plan we had up messed us up.

[01:42:26] And you did have to consider three different possibilities every single week.

[01:42:30] And so for me, it's like, I can't lean too much on one possibility because there is, you

[01:42:36] know, the 33, that's only 33% chance that that's going to happen.

[01:42:40] So am I going to put all my eggs in that low percentage?

[01:42:43] No, that's stupid.

[01:42:44] Yeah.

[01:42:45] Well, things flip.

[01:42:48] I don't know how much you've heard about like how they flipped and how close it was.

[01:42:52] I'm sure you heard a bit of it on the Quinn deep dive, like the back and forth between

[01:42:57] chemo and T-Core all like for days and days.

[01:43:00] I didn't know that.

[01:43:02] Oh, it was, it was every single night was like tomorrow morning.

[01:43:07] We're going to talk to Quinn.

[01:43:08] We're going to talk to these people.

[01:43:10] We're going to see if the, and then they'd wake up in the morning, nothing would happen.

[01:43:14] And then they talk late at night again.

[01:43:16] Like, okay, this time tomorrow, we're going to talk to these people.

[01:43:19] I saw memes of like T-Core and chemo every day saying they're going to have game conversations

[01:43:26] and us waiting around.

[01:43:27] Like when is it going to happen?

[01:43:29] So I didn't know.

[01:43:30] It was like, we're like, we're going to not spend all our time together.

[01:43:33] We're going to split up.

[01:43:34] We're going to talk to other people.

[01:43:35] And then.

[01:43:36] Didn't happen.

[01:43:38] Never happened.

[01:43:39] Ever.

[01:43:40] The whole season.

[01:43:41] That's so interesting.

[01:43:43] I had no idea it was back and forth.

[01:43:44] Not at all.

[01:43:45] Yeah.

[01:43:45] Yeah.

[01:43:46] So they, they flip the house.

[01:43:50] T-Core says we did that.

[01:43:53] And then, oh, Tucker wins the following HOH.

[01:43:57] Um, and now he should be going after Quinn, but, uh, but Joseph T-Core and chemo are all pushing

[01:44:07] him in the direction of Brooklyn, uh, for a lot of reasons.

[01:44:10] One is that they have a great connection to Quinn.

[01:44:12] Uh, and I should say Rubina is as well.

[01:44:14] Um, but, uh, they are, they're close to Quinn.

[01:44:16] They're also close to you.

[01:44:18] Um, and at the same time it's gotten out, uh, primarily, I think Joseph was the first

[01:44:24] person to really link the two of you together.

[01:44:26] Uh, Hey, watch out for Brooklyn and Chelsea.

[01:44:29] They're like, they're tight.

[01:44:30] They're running things.

[01:44:32] Um, and so it was blown up by this point, right?

[01:44:35] Yes.

[01:44:36] Uh, Quinn had already told, uh, Joseph about, uh, the Pentagon.

[01:44:42] Um, so now Joseph who thought that he was like the creator and leader of the collective

[01:44:47] uh, is like, Oh, these people are Joseph.

[01:44:50] Okay.

[01:44:51] I should tell you a little bit about Joseph because set the record straight.

[01:44:55] Joseph to his credit was definitely a lead architect of the collective in week one.

[01:45:01] Right.

[01:45:02] Uh, he helps pull people together.

[01:45:04] He's, he's talking to Angela.

[01:45:05] He's one of the low budget actors.

[01:45:07] Um, and I went up.

[01:45:09] Yeah.

[01:45:09] Yeah.

[01:45:11] And so what he, it's a week to, to also to his credit, he's, his sort of like vision

[01:45:17] of, I created this Alliance and this is the majority Alliance of the house is part of

[01:45:22] what keeps the thing together because a lot of other people were like, is this even a thing?

[01:45:25] And he's like, it is a thing.

[01:45:27] We're still doing this.

[01:45:28] Um, however, from that point forward, he really was like, I am the Dr. Will Derrick of this

[01:45:36] group.

[01:45:36] Like I am running things.

[01:45:38] He would talk to the cameras about being a mastermind, um, and the star of the show.

[01:45:44] I saw that heard that.

[01:45:46] And when he found out that not only were you included in this group, which he didn't,

[01:45:52] cause he saw you as on the mat side of things initially.

[01:45:54] Uh, so like, like where did that come from?

[01:45:57] Where is Brooklyn or sorry, it was either you or Brooklyn.

[01:46:00] One of the two of you.

[01:46:01] It was Brooklyn.

[01:46:01] It was Brooklyn that he saw.

[01:46:03] Cause he, he brought me into the collective.

[01:46:05] Yeah.

[01:46:05] But, but he saw you as the person that brought Brooklyn in.

[01:46:08] I did.

[01:46:09] Right.

[01:46:09] So he was mad at you about that, uh, because you brought Brooklyn into his Alliance, like

[01:46:15] without any.

[01:46:16] That was accidental though.

[01:46:17] I thought, so he wanted 18 million people in this Alliance.

[01:46:21] I thought that Brooklyn was one of those people.

[01:46:23] So I, he's going around whispering into people's ears, like, you know, a collective meeting or,

[01:46:29] you know, Alliance meeting at 12 45 AM.

[01:46:32] Meeted me in the HOH room.

[01:46:33] So I go and tell Brooklyn that she's like, what?

[01:46:36] And I'm like, was she not?

[01:46:38] It was so in, it, it was an accident.

[01:46:41] I thought she was in this Alliance already.

[01:46:44] And then when Joseph came up to me, he's like, how did Brooklyn get there?

[01:46:48] I was like, Oh, I have to lie.

[01:46:51] I don't know.

[01:46:52] I was like, Oh my gosh.

[01:46:54] So he was right.

[01:46:55] It was my fault, but it was an accident.

[01:46:58] And, and so this is part of how he clocks the two of you.

[01:47:00] And part of why he now is like sort of looking at the two of you pretty closely.

[01:47:04] Then Quinn later confirms there's a core within the collective.

[01:47:08] And it's Chelsea, Brooklyn, Cam, Cedric, me.

[01:47:14] That's when Joseph is like, okay.

[01:47:16] Why did he do that?

[01:47:18] What was the point of that?

[01:47:19] What was the point of that?

[01:47:20] Quinn was starting to get closer to Joseph throughout those, these weeks.

[01:47:23] Um, and, um, was trying to like build his army.

[01:47:28] And when the, and when the specifically when the Tucker thing didn't work out, Quinn needed

[01:47:32] like, cause he thought Tucker was going to be on that side.

[01:47:35] Um, so he needed some sort of replacements.

[01:47:37] Um, and he was talking more and more with Joseph and they were, they were bonding over this

[01:47:41] podcast.

[01:47:42] Um, and I heard, yes, yes.

[01:47:47] Hey, that's crazy.

[01:47:48] So, uh, so Tucker then who was getting close to talk or sorry, Joseph then who was getting

[01:47:53] close to Tucker, um, tells Tucker about the collective, um, and the later about the, the

[01:48:00] core, which is he, I don't think he knows the note and the name at this point.

[01:48:04] Um, so Tucker knows for a while.

[01:48:07] And so Tucker understands that Quinn is, is kind of like trying to break away and that

[01:48:12] the two of you are probably the core of this.

[01:48:14] So Joseph has a lot to do with Tucker's nominations this week.

[01:48:18] Um, and, uh, and he is happy for one of the two of you to leave because he sees you correctly

[01:48:25] as the two most dangerous players in the game at that point.

[01:48:27] Um, and so this is, this is really one of Joseph's finest hours.

[01:48:32] Like he's really doing some good stuff here with the information he has and with the influence

[01:48:36] he has over Tucker.

[01:48:37] Um, however, uh, T core chemo and Rubina have something else to say about you specifically

[01:48:44] being targeted, of course.

[01:48:45] Um, and so, uh, there's the whole situation, Brooklyn kind of, uh, messes herself up a little

[01:48:52] bit because she was in that little five star five points, five, whatever.

[01:48:57] She had that, the five points thing going on, which was a little bit of extra.

[01:49:02] Uh, trouble she got in.

[01:49:03] And then also she was like specifically right there telling Rubina, like, I'm sorry.

[01:49:07] It was real the whole time.

[01:49:09] Uh, like right as she thinks she's about to vote her out.

[01:49:13] Um, and so then right after she's like, Oh, I just, I was lied to by T core and chemo.

[01:49:19] They lied to me about the vote.

[01:49:20] They tricked me into voting you out Rubina.

[01:49:22] And that of course, pisses T core and chemo off and Tucker, who is like, I told you Brooklyn's

[01:49:27] a snake is like, finally, you believe me because they had been defending Brooklyn prior to that.

[01:49:33] Um, it just all kind of crumbles for Brooklyn.

[01:49:36] And in the meantime, you are keeping your cool.

[01:49:39] You are like maintaining things.

[01:49:42] You're finding out that Quinn is the one that blew you up.

[01:49:45] You're finding out all this information.

[01:49:46] Um, and while Brooklyn is like, screw that guy.

[01:49:49] Like, why isn't he being targeted?

[01:49:50] Uh, and to be, to her credit, she does well with Quinn, uh, on their own.

[01:49:56] Um, like you are maintaining this, uh, this like sort of like calm collected, uh, facade

[01:50:04] of like everything's fine as the house burns down around you.

[01:50:08] Uh, and it helps.

[01:50:10] It does.

[01:50:11] Like I saw, uh, Brooklyn immediately go into like an outrage kind of during the veto meeting

[01:50:17] when, when the blow up happened.

[01:50:18] And I did say verbally, like really Joseph, really Quinn, because they sat there listening

[01:50:25] to Tucker go off on us and didn't choose to include.

[01:50:28] And somehow Tucker and or Quinn and Joseph aren't mentioned in these blow ups.

[01:50:34] So I'm like, let's, I didn't start.

[01:50:36] I didn't start.

[01:50:37] I have never started an alliance in the big brother house.

[01:50:40] So I'm like, I'm now being blown up for like starting something is crazy.

[01:50:45] Like I've been brought into this stuff.

[01:50:47] So I was frustrated with them.

[01:50:48] I saw how Brooklyn popped off and I saw how people were like, kind of like feeling away

[01:50:54] about it.

[01:50:55] And I'm like, okay, I can't, I am the most vulnerable right now in this game.

[01:50:59] So I immediately went into damage control right after.

[01:51:02] And I went to, I think to talk to T Corp was the very first person that I talked to saying

[01:51:07] like, yes, this is true.

[01:51:09] But then I spun the block to say like, I am a loyal person.

[01:51:13] I am a loyal teammate.

[01:51:15] So I am, I was part of this out of, out of loyalty.

[01:51:19] And that's the type of, that's how it will be a benefit.

[01:51:22] So I use a vulnerable moment to show people that I am a loyalist.

[01:51:25] I will be loyal to the people, even at the detriment, you know, of, you know, being on

[01:51:30] the wrong side of the vote.

[01:51:31] So yeah, my, I had to, I knew I had to shift into gear socially, a different gear the second

[01:51:39] half, because then again, that's, I was like, yeah, I played AI arena.

[01:51:43] I didn't know like whether I was going to win AI arena or not.

[01:51:47] So I wanted to set myself up socially to no matter who I was sitting next to, I was going

[01:51:51] to be safe.

[01:51:52] So I remember T-Core and Kimo kind of being a little bit weird, like not really wanting

[01:51:58] to talk to me, but wanting to talk to me kind of like how they played the, like, we're

[01:52:01] going to have this conversation eventually.

[01:52:03] And nothing was coming about it.

[01:52:05] Let me tell you, there's a whole sequence of events at the end of that week.

[01:52:08] Oh, that I don't know of.

[01:52:11] I probably not.

[01:52:12] I don't even think much of it made the episode, but like, obviously they wanted to keep you,

[01:52:17] but like Tucker was like, no, she's leaving.

[01:52:20] If Brooklyn wins AI arena, she's leaving.

[01:52:23] And like at the time of like, you know, like veto ceremony on for a few days, it was like,

[01:52:30] well, Chelsea might leave because they might want Chelsea to stay, but they haven't like

[01:52:36] made the decision.

[01:52:37] They're definitely doing this because Tucker is going to be so mad at them.

[01:52:40] And also they might not even have Rubina because Rubina was on board to take you out because

[01:52:46] she was with Tucker.

[01:52:47] But back and forth because she talked to T-Core and Kimo and they'd be like, no, no, we can't

[01:52:52] lose Chelsea.

[01:52:53] She'd be like, yes.

[01:52:54] And then she'd go and have a conversation with Tucker.

[01:52:56] She'd be like, Tucker, we're kind of feeling like, what if we keep Chelsea?

[01:52:59] And he's like, what?

[01:53:00] No.

[01:53:01] Like, that's stupid.

[01:53:02] And then she'd be like, you're right.

[01:53:03] Yeah.

[01:53:04] We should get rid of Chelsea.

[01:53:06] And then like the day of the eviction, they after days of being like, we'll talk to Tucker,

[01:53:13] we'll talk to Tucker, we'll talk to Tucker.

[01:53:15] The day of the eviction, they still hadn't talked to him.

[01:53:18] And it was like, are they going to blindside Tucker?

[01:53:20] Because what if they just chicken out at the last second?

[01:53:23] It was still theoretically up in the air.

[01:53:25] Yeah.

[01:53:26] They have a conversation with Tucker in the HOH room.

[01:53:29] Um, and, and at this point, Rubina and Kimo in particular have been, are like, T-Core,

[01:53:35] you need to say something because every time we go to talk, we mention stuff and then you

[01:53:39] don't say anything.

[01:53:40] Um, and so she's like, okay, I'll say something.

[01:53:42] And so they go and they're like, so Tucker, we're kind of feeling like we need to keep

[01:53:47] Chelsea maybe.

[01:53:48] And he's like, what?

[01:53:49] No, we're not doing that.

[01:53:50] They're the heads of the snake.

[01:53:51] We need to get one of them for sure.

[01:53:53] Um, and it's like, okay, here we go.

[01:53:54] They're going to push, right?

[01:53:56] No, they ended up making a new alliance with him in that moment.

[01:53:59] Um, what was the alliance?

[01:54:04] That was, that was the frenzy alliance.

[01:54:06] Um, I just found out about that the other day, the frenzy, ZZ.

[01:54:10] I saw hashtags.

[01:54:12] What is that?

[01:54:13] It was literally like, they went in to be like, this is our time to be firm with Tucker.

[01:54:17] We're keeping Chelsea.

[01:54:17] And they walked out with a new alliance with Tucker, uh, and still voting out Chelsea.

[01:54:23] Um, Tucker walks out and T-Core immediately is like, I didn't like that.

[01:54:32] Why did she say something?

[01:54:34] That's what they were saying.

[01:54:36] And they were like, T-Core, you need to say something.

[01:54:39] You need to say like, come on.

[01:54:41] So it was like, okay.

[01:54:42] Then he comes back in and they try again.

[01:54:44] And it took like three times before T-Core finally is like, okay, Tucker, I don't feel

[01:54:50] comfortable voting Chelsea out.

[01:54:52] Um, and this is when she says like, we basically agreed, like as black women, we are not targeting

[01:54:58] each other until at least jury.

[01:55:00] Um, and of course, like there's not as much he can say about that.

[01:55:04] Uh, but, but what he does say is like, okay, so you're not voting out Chelsea.

[01:55:08] Oh, but we're still voting out Chelsea.

[01:55:11] Right.

[01:55:12] Um, and that's the, and then he leaves again and they're like, yeah, maybe we should just

[01:55:18] do it and not tell him.

[01:55:20] So they were going to, that's cool.

[01:55:23] It was just, it was a wild ride.

[01:55:25] And then he goes to cam and is like, they're trying to get you out cam against Chelsea.

[01:55:29] Um, cam didn't come.

[01:55:34] Uh, I felt throughout the season, there's things cam knew that he didn't inform me on.

[01:55:40] I'm like, inform me cam of like things that you hear, but I didn't know that I didn't

[01:55:45] know.

[01:55:46] I knew, uh, probably during T-Core's HOH that Tucker was really going hard for me.

[01:55:51] That's when I found out.

[01:55:52] But during that, I wasn't hearing anything when you're on the block, people like act like

[01:55:57] your statue who can't talk, walk, breathe nothing.

[01:56:00] So nobody was really telling me anything except Mackenzie.

[01:56:04] And that's when I decided, let me wrangle her in.

[01:56:06] She's the only one that's filling me in on conversations.

[01:56:10] And then T-Core day of was like, Hey, me and Kim are really fighting hard for you.

[01:56:15] I'm like, Oh, I didn't know that.

[01:56:16] They told me that.

[01:56:17] So fighting hard.

[01:56:18] I mean, you're explaining to me what that looks like.

[01:56:20] So, Oh my God.

[01:56:23] Listen, it was very hard for them.

[01:56:27] It makes sense.

[01:56:28] You hit, it was a hard fight, but you weren't fighting hard.

[01:56:32] Oh my.

[01:56:35] Yes.

[01:56:37] So ultimately they were going to keep you no matter what, but it was looking a little sketchy

[01:56:42] here and there along the way.

[01:56:44] Um, then we get to that AI arena competition.

[01:56:47] And, um, I don't know if you've heard, uh, about this, but, uh, people felt like, you know,

[01:56:54] took you guys a little while to figure this one out.

[01:56:56] Okay.

[01:56:57] Let's let's, I heard about that.

[01:56:59] I heard the edit made us look stupid.

[01:57:02] And let me say it live.

[01:57:04] Oh, it was live.

[01:57:07] So were we partially dumb?

[01:57:12] Yes.

[01:57:13] I will say that.

[01:57:14] But let me say.

[01:57:15] When you are in that position, first of all, the first like 45 seconds to a minute was

[01:57:22] literally just jumbled words.

[01:57:24] That's it.

[01:57:25] There was no like sentence being formed.

[01:57:28] So we're literally looking around, like there's just words, letters everywhere, letters, letters.

[01:57:34] So that made us look dumb.

[01:57:36] But in that moment we weren't dumb.

[01:57:37] But then when you are starting to put the words start to come together, I'm still sitting

[01:57:42] there like, what is this saying?

[01:57:44] So it took us a little long to do, but for me, I knew the first two pretty fast.

[01:57:50] It was the last one that I was trying to figure out the moment that I was about to read it

[01:57:54] backwards.

[01:57:55] That made sense.

[01:57:56] But here's the thing.

[01:57:58] It's stressful.

[01:57:59] You're fighting for your life.

[01:58:01] Yeah.

[01:58:01] Like this could make or break you going home.

[01:58:03] So there's so many things going on in your head as you're like playing this.

[01:58:07] You're in the arena.

[01:58:09] It's so intimidating.

[01:58:10] So it felt like week one all over again for me.

[01:58:13] And I'm like, oh, this is not good.

[01:58:14] And we later see that like that even happens to Tucker, you know, soon after this.

[01:58:19] Right.

[01:58:19] Like, yep.

[01:58:20] The moment he misinterprets the rules and, you know, it's like, I think the AI arena is

[01:58:26] you're definitely a lot more prone to making mistakes in that competition because it's so

[01:58:30] much more dramatic.

[01:58:31] It is.

[01:58:32] And what people don't see is like the live show is happening and they're cutting to feeds

[01:58:36] of us and the laugh and all that stuff.

[01:58:38] And then it's like, okay, head to the arena.

[01:58:41] It's time to head to the arena.

[01:58:41] And you're walking.

[01:58:42] And then I'm walking in with two of my closest friends in the house.

[01:58:44] So I know I'm losing somebody really massive in this house, if not me.

[01:58:49] So I, I'm already in my head about what is next week look like.

[01:58:53] This sucks.

[01:58:54] So then it's like, oh, now use your brain and compete.

[01:58:57] I'm like, oh, that's a lot.

[01:58:58] I just want to cry right now.

[01:59:00] So it was not as easy as people see.

[01:59:03] And then there's, I thought that competition, there was going to be only three.

[01:59:10] Again, I'm glad I figured it out, but there was only going to be three to five like options

[01:59:15] of boards to place on the thing.

[01:59:17] I didn't know there were so many to choose from.

[01:59:20] And I'm like, oh, this is going to be much harder than I realized.

[01:59:22] So it was difficult.

[01:59:24] And the sayings were weird.

[01:59:25] So it was not easy.

[01:59:27] That's all I'm going to say.

[01:59:28] Glad I figured it out.

[01:59:30] But it was not easy.

[01:59:31] That arena was hard.

[01:59:32] And that is it for part one of the Chelsea deep dive.

[01:59:39] Stay tuned as we return later with part two to finish the deep dive of the season of Chelsea's

[01:59:47] winning game.

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