BB Reindeer Games | Ep 4 Recap

[00:00:08] Hello everyone and welcome to RobHasAwebsite.com. I'm your host, R1mE Strong, and we are here tonight to recap the Monday night episode of Reindeer Games. Episode four of six, only two left after this one. Rob is out tonight, but we are all here

[00:00:29] to talk through quite the episode. It's here, the first 60 minute episode of Reindeer Games and with me to talk through it. This is Chappelle, how are you doing Chappelle? Hi Terran, how are you? I'm doing well. Yeah, you are because I am doing so much better

[00:00:47] than last week or last episode. This was fine. I enjoyed this like I enjoyed all the rest of the Reindeer Games episode, but this time my favorite Big Brother Player of all time did not go home. So I'm here for vibes. I'm just here to chill.

[00:01:01] I'm here to holly jolly la la la la la la la la or whatever the hell Derek X keeps saying. But thank you for having me. All right, well also with us is Mary. How are you doing, Mary? I'm doing great.

[00:01:13] You know, I feel like we're four of six episodes in but it feels like we just started and I feel in the middle because on the one hand, I feel like I could definitely do with more than two more episodes.

[00:01:27] But on the other hand, if it was longer than six episodes total, I don't think we would like it as much. That's probably true. I'll always leave him wanting more, I think is a is a winning formula. I finally we have Hurston. How you doing, Kirsten? You're right.

[00:01:45] Finally, I'm here to talk about Reindeer Games. I heard you needed a jingle bell bitch on this podcast. So here I am. I feel like a jingle bell bitch today. What did we do on this? Is this like going to be a team competition where it's

[00:02:00] me and Kirsten versus Terran and Chappelle based on how you're dressed like look at you. You are not in the spirit. I think we need to actually use me. I have a whole tree back here. I think that it should be, you know, one man, one woman

[00:02:12] per team to make it fair. Oh, Terran has a tree and I have dabbing Santa Claus and he's black. Okay. I didn't see that part. Yeah. Look at him bow. You see it. Bow. Yeah, I hear that. Did you believe that when you dressed as Santa?

[00:02:28] I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, you know, somebody needs to get a hat. I think I think it's important that women stick together just because like women, you know what I mean? And Brittany was right when she said that women am I right?

[00:02:48] I say it all the time, but then people throw stuff at me when I say, well, your phone is different. Chappelle, your phone is very different. Women am I right? Terran am I right? You know what I mean? You know, I mean, Terran.

[00:03:03] Well, and you can see how it's different because when Mary and I said we're like, because women women women. No, Terran am I right? No, no, Terran. Well, despite it all women did persevere through this episode as we have reached the final five and and Josh is the

[00:03:24] latest person to be eliminated from the reindeer games on the heels of a recap on Thursday where I think three of the four panelists said Josh was in the best spot. Yeah, yeah. Here's the thing. Josh came in basically being like Daniel Reyes get behind me.

[00:03:44] I've got you as he should have. He did what he had to do with Daniel gone. It was like there was no story left for Josh. He had to go next. But Josh gave me some of my favorite Josh in this episode.

[00:03:57] Like I you know, it's hard to be a fan of anybody on Big Brother 19 so we can just pretend like that never happened. But once Josh went off it made his little trip over to the challenge. I think he got a little you know, he got humbled there.

[00:04:11] He learned how to be funnier and and then he came back here with a little bit, a little bit more of a light to him and I appreciated him this time around. So I would I would see Josh on Big Brother again if he was

[00:04:26] going to be this Josh rather than like pots and pans. Josh, this was fine. He should have been there on all stars and maybe things would be different. I'm good on that. I am good on that. I remember vividly Josh playing Big Brother the first

[00:04:43] time and I don't want no more of that. Josh, you had a good run. I'm proud of how you did here on reindeer games. But was I sad to see Josh go? Nope, not really. Actually, I'm good here.

[00:04:53] I don't ever need any reminders of BB 19 actually and I know that had he come back for all stars that would have probably been a worse season for me. So yeah, this is good. He had a great run went to the challenge.

[00:05:05] You would think someone who was a professional challenge competitor could beat Nicole Franzo and holding on to a candy cane. But the Nicobra is back man. She's back. Snake Cole did it. She strikes again. I'm sorry, Josh. You're just a victim to Nicole's mist and venom.

[00:05:22] I feel like they tried to make it seem like they deliberately cut away before, you know, commercial break where oh, it was such a close call. I don't even think we needed the slow mo. It was on the ground when Nicole was still completely standing upright.

[00:05:37] Yeah, they really were trying something there. And you would they should keep trying things. It seems like when Big Brother tries new things, we get a fun television product. So I'm fine with it. Keep trying new things. Yeah, all the new stuff of BB reindeer games.

[00:05:55] I've just every time I listen to the podcast, I hear people talk about it. We're all saying the same thing. What where's all this when y'all be on the regular show? Why y'all don't try on the regular show? You know, you've been doing it for 20 some odd years

[00:06:07] at this point. You would think you would just put a little bit of this imagination, a little bit of this Christmas spirit into our Big Brother proper. Maybe if we start having Big Brother in the winter instead of the summer, they can bring in some holiday cheer or

[00:06:20] something like that because these challenges, these twists, these social problems that these people get put in where they have to put up their own allies because they don't really have any other choice. I like that. I like the new stuff. Bring me more of that.

[00:06:33] I don't know why they won't do it. I mean, because they wanted to be a wet hot American summer. Come on, Chappelle. I mean, but when is it going to get wet and hot? It should be wet hot or summer. Right. But it's super Americans.

[00:06:47] The most American thing that ever happened. Okay. So I don't know. This has been fun, but like you said the new stuff, that's what I need. It was a whiplash of an experience watching tonight because every time I got to a commercial break, I was

[00:07:00] watching a Peridium's review of Big Brother 25 where it was just like, it was like happy little reindeer games and then him being like all the challenges. We need to rework these and I'm like, well, they did. You don't know it yet. Two months ago you.

[00:07:14] Well, we'll see if this sticks for BB 26. Yeah, don't get your hopes up. And I will say just on the topic of the competition equity that I think that specifically they have done good things in terms of the competitions themselves

[00:07:29] both to make them slightly less physical some of the time, but also more importantly providing alternatives for like, you know, you can gang up on somebody or you're competing in a team like adding a social component to negate some of that physical advantage and then

[00:07:47] in other in other competitions making the mental portion or the puzzle portion or whatever the case may be harder so that that's actually a little bit more of a barrier than the normal usually these physical competitions that are a hybrid that have

[00:08:01] a puzzle or a quiz attached to them. The puzzle or the quiz is so easy that it is basically just a gimme and it's just a physical competition unless you really screw it up. So I think that those are some of this more subtle

[00:08:12] changes that they're making and then there is also one final thing which is that, you know, for better or worse, most of the people here are like capable of performing the physical competitions to like the baseline level that they that's required of them

[00:08:30] because like they're all in a similar age range. And so like casting is another really important like part of this and and that's not to say that they should not cast older players. It's to say that they should change the competitions

[00:08:45] to allow for older players to be able to compete at a similar level because you know physical competitions usually not quite as easily mixed with them. My brain just did the quick thought process of how would normal big brother work if every single HOH

[00:09:05] and even potentially veto somehow was a mix up of sometimes it's partnered, sometimes it's team, sometimes it's this, sometimes it's that. And then I realized that they kind of used to do that when they had food competitions like that's

[00:09:20] kind of what was going on in the food competitions with the mixing up of the teams each time and moving it to an HOH where it would actually change the power might be interesting, but I do think there's so much to be said for this game

[00:09:33] just being every single competition every single day as opposed to even like a whole week to get used to whatever that structure is. It's making everyone just play a lot harder, which is I mean play harder, but play harder in a challenge sense,

[00:09:46] which is basically like what the show the challenge is. I mean, even if the game just moves a little bit quicker that changes things as well. Right. So I don't know if that's necessarily what we need from regular big brother.

[00:10:01] I think that regular big brother just needs to be shorter in general because this is the first time big brothers ever left us wanting more, you know, and they could do that a little bit more frequently in my opinion. In terms of in terms of length maybe.

[00:10:17] Yeah, like length of season is what I'm talking about for sure. Yes. Well, let's let's talk this through because this was I assume our final episode of Derek and I can only imagine the things he was doing and saying throughout this episode that were not shown.

[00:10:37] Is he coming on this podcast because if he is, I'm leaving, you know, I met Derek X one time and I, you know, I don't think I'm the funniest person in the world, but I cannot stand sitting next to somebody who knows

[00:10:48] they're funnier than me and Derek X is just packing me up in any room. And I'm like, like, bro, get away from me. Why are you on here when I saw that he was on the podcast? I was like, who dear God just he's not invited here.

[00:10:59] He can't sit with us. I'm sorry. The man is hilarious. He's great TV. He should be hosting competitions all the time. He's so much funnier and just these little spurts of television than most of these big brother players are when you give them, you know,

[00:11:13] written lines in the diary room and bits to do and Derek X if he's gone now good. I don't need any more Derek X. He's fun. He had his time. He's done. He's so scared. He can't have a heat. I can't go back to the amazing race.

[00:11:28] Leave us alone. I think Eric needs to be on ranger games too. Would love to see it truly. I think it's like tonally. It's so funny because, you know, Derek X has more of a relationship with the people in ranger games obviously than Jordan did.

[00:11:43] So that plus his natural charisma, he puts people so much more at ease than Jordan could. But yet Jordan got these kind of like, yeah, stressful, but not that stressful episodes. Me while Derek X is watching these people in the trenches fighting for their lives, crying, screaming,

[00:12:00] throwing up is just so tonally different. It gave me a chuckle. Yes. And he has some some distressing news, which is that, you know, there's a there's a pop star missing from the North Pole. Was I was I the only one that whose mind went to Ariana Grande?

[00:12:21] No, it was not. I can't believe that they made you know who Ariana Grande is. I was like, Frank, he came your sister. What did we've already had the Vanessa Grande? Yeah, he tried. We've had the the more famous person and relative combination and big brother this season.

[00:12:44] I don't this year. I don't know that we need that again. Oh, you mean Denzel Washington and Felicia? Yes, that one. Obviously, I can't believe they didn't get Denzel for the reindeer games. What the hell? Why didn't they get Ariana Grande for Jill Frost?

[00:13:00] I got these extremely famous Darren. I mean her brother's taking a show. Yeah, like you don't really see her acknowledging him that often. Does she even like my brother? Has she been ever? Did she even watch his season? I mean, maybe even know Frankie's brother. So many questions.

[00:13:17] Yeah. Have you ever seen them in a room together recently? I don't know. I'm pretty sure they're in pictures together. I've seen it on recently. I'm pretty sure Ariana Grande's booking fee would be more than the prize money for reindeer games. Like there's no shot in hell.

[00:13:32] One long con and like Frankie had just like gone up to Ariana Grande a couple of times to take like fan photos with her. She's never not even related. They just laughed at the same one. Big Brother casting and he's like, she's my sister.

[00:13:47] How much would he have to pay her though to get her to not sue him for claiming that he's still not in touch with big brother? She hasn't even realized. Didn't they do like the concert? Didn't they go to her concert in one of these seasons?

[00:14:03] Not a they went to Ariana Grande? No, they didn't. It's a different concert on my brain's broken. When Cheryl Crow came to the backyard, I get those. What was that was? Maybe Rex that they went to in Big Brother. What was it 14 or 10?

[00:14:19] It was one of the dance seasons. No, it's 14 Vanessa went to a concert and Big Brother 17 and she had a wig on. What concert was it? Somebody helped me in the right day. Yes, it was Ariana Grande.

[00:14:32] I knew it and you all tried to gas like me into thinking I'm stupid. Classic cursed in getting Ariana Grande concerts mixed up. Oh, my God. Okay. I'm just so relieved that I didn't make that up. All right.

[00:14:51] Well now it's time to figure out who kidnapped Jill Frost. Is it stupid? Slasher. Those are the only two I remember. I don't know what were the names of they all they all had just like plays on those those ranger and one was Nixon.

[00:15:11] I caught that because I laughed really hard at one being called Nixon. I was like, yeah, that is evil name. We have Connor Lerker, Meteor Nixon, Prowler Siren Slasher. Stupid. You know, just like the owner. Right. It's like that they're a con.

[00:15:32] Oh, not like a not named con. You know what I mean? Yeah, a little bit a little bit tough, but I think I think that's probably where it came from. I was so mad during this challenge all because the way it was portrayed.

[00:15:46] We see X getting all he's got the logic puzzle on lock, but I guess he just didn't go into the bathroom and see the fur. And I was like, how dare you? I feel like he put it together so much faster than everyone else,

[00:16:01] but he just didn't find the one crucial piece of evidence to pick which of the two reindeer with the blue collars it was. Maybe mad. So what did he do? Just guess or did he miss? He literally said it's between these two.

[00:16:16] Oh, I'm just going to guess one and he guessed the wrong one because he never went to the damn bathroom. Listen, if he had narrowed it down to two, he should have done the smarter thing, which is what Frankie's group did, which is, hey,

[00:16:28] let's we've narrowed it down to three. Let's just all guess one of them and then one of us will win. Like, and if he had narrowed it down to two, just go up to Taylor and be like, Taylor, let's just guess these two.

[00:16:42] Do you think he feels like he can't trust Taylor still after that first time she managed to put him up for elimination? I mean, she was supposed to save him and did not. We obviously see her pick his, you know, his side this time,

[00:16:52] but he was pointing out very early in the season that he thought Taylor and Danielle and them had their bed at that had his back. And then when it was time, they really, he really couldn't trust them.

[00:17:01] So I don't know if he even trusts Taylor at this point in the game or if he's just like hoping that he can trust her and he didn't want to go with go to her with that information. I mean, better than Frankie, right?

[00:17:12] And what he needs to recognize is that his game succeeds largely on having a much better social player in his corner. So he needs to get Taylor on side. Yeah. Well, Terran, you know, Frankie did give him the most time

[00:17:27] that he could give him to do that one challenge. You know, remember, XI did you a favor. This was for us. We're a team. I think they got him snowed or at least maybe enough for him

[00:17:37] to not just go to Taylor as a number one ally all the time. After this, he has no choice, choice, but to trust her because it's very clear that she's the only one who's really in his corner.

[00:17:46] But I think prior to this, there might have been some ambiguity on the on his part as far as how far he could trust Taylor. Well, ultimately it is going to go to Frankie. Again, great, great plan to just have all three of them gas.

[00:18:01] Meanwhile, Josh was like, I got this. I'm so fast at this. This was I was the fastest and he was the last to ring in. See, this is what I love. It's like we all know that everybody was aware, including Josh, that he was not ringing in early.

[00:18:18] But but something about that I was like, this is funny. This is cute. This is you playing it up. It's you having fun with the format. He was one of the few people that was really, really like vocally playing along with all of the nonsense. Right?

[00:18:33] Like he was like, what? Like, love that keep it up. You know what? It's like I had the thought while watching this. Like this is like watching, like watching big brother players do like bad role playing improv. Like this is great.

[00:18:50] I love this because it's not just in the diary room repeating the lines. It's you having to do it when you walk around and when you talk to each other. And I love that watching Derek have to read the scripts and play along with that. It's great.

[00:19:03] It's my favorite part. I love the cheese. Bring it on. Josh has a lot of TV at this point too, you know, because he's done the challenge so much. He's done so many confessionals. You know, probably Brittany has been done a lot as well

[00:19:16] because she's played two seasons basically all the way, most of the way through, you know? And so I think now that Josh is a little bit more battle tested in the diary room, whether it's on the challenge or this show, I think it's really paying off.

[00:19:27] I think you can tell that these are not just like big brother players we pushed in front of a script and told them to read something off of, you know, the teleprompter. These people know how to play up the puns for the holiday season.

[00:19:38] They know how to play into the characters here. And I am enjoying Josh a lot in the diary room. I mean, the acting is better. We've seen some bad acting. We've seen shrink rays. We've seen a lot of nonsense. It wasn't acting. Big brother, right?

[00:19:55] That was definitely real. So weird how they reacted worse than if they were actors. This is crazy. But like this, they are acting. They are putting it all in. You're telling me that the biggest pop star in the North Pole, Jill Frost, who we've all definitely heard

[00:20:12] of is missing. I'm gasping. I've got my hand over my mouth. My eyes are real big. This is really scary. Can we rank the musical guests so far? So last week was the worst one. Last week was the worst one.

[00:20:32] That creepy critter dude, he should be in jail. I got bad. I got bad. Although I feel like it was a little more entertaining than the just having Derek there being able to play the piano, like that whole combo was more entertaining than the

[00:20:44] Eric is the best musical guest. Carol singers. Yeah. DJ Bowie Jane is the worst. Whatever that was from episode one is the worst. I said it. No, but there was like element of camp to that that can't be discounted.

[00:20:59] There's an element of chaos to them all jumping up and down in the smoke. What's wrong with chaos? I love that. No, that was my favorite with you. Well, so I think they just needed some sort of reason to have a logic puzzle once again.

[00:21:16] And so they found a blonde lady. I mean, honestly, looks like she could. I could be her alter ego. Let's be real here. And they had to have her lip sync poorly to a holiday classic. What happened to my eyes when this was going on, though,

[00:21:35] because I felt like it was like a weird, like blue filter over the show. Yeah, she was happening like it's frost. She's ethereal. Okay. Unless you took notes on this, can any of you remember what song she sang?

[00:21:49] Because it happened and it went straight out of my mind the second she did that was Ashley Tizdale. Right. So it was he said, she said that was a little bit like Ashley Tizdale. I thought it was.

[00:22:00] I wanted to know one time, but I'm pretty sure that was her. Ashley Tizdale's appearance. He would also be too high to go on big brother Ranger games. So some of the chat said that did happen on my stream. It's in the chat.

[00:22:12] Somebody was like, is this a I like it just felt like it felt on. It was on Canny Valley. Yeah, it could be. It was a weird experience, but I was here for it. I, you know, these holiday songs are royalty free.

[00:22:30] So I, we can expect to see one each episode. So Mary, what was the song? I have no idea. It wasn't just saying. I don't remember. I can't remember what it was something basic. Like Rock. It might have been Jingle Bell Rock.

[00:22:48] It might have just been Jingle Bells. See like it was something jingly. I don't know. I remember that the creepy guy was doing a rendition of the 12 days of Christmas. Yeah, about how he needed his girlfriend needed a restraining order. Sorry.

[00:23:03] No, wait, but see the creepiness stuck with me. This is the AI lady. Because you were afraid. You were scared for your life. That man belongs below the jail. I'm sorry. I do remember that somebody, I don't remember who it was. Maybe it was Josh.

[00:23:19] Somebody was like, ooh, Jill Frost. She's being looking cute. I also like how Jack Frost has been presented as a villain in this series. Based on the last episode, it was Jack Frost is going to freeze the thing.

[00:23:33] The ornament is going to be stuck for whatever 100 years if you don't get out of the maze. And now suddenly are we to believe that Jill Frost is not a relation and we're supposed to be worried about her? Like, I don't know.

[00:23:46] It seems like maybe her she's in a crime family and they should be taking care of their own business. Maybe she left Jack because he was so bad. Yeah, I mean, Jack did destroy Danielle Ray as his big brother career and ruin my life.

[00:23:59] So yeah, he's a villain as far as I'm concerned. And Jill get far away from him. Never go back. You know, this maybe this a relative. Maybe it's the next wife. Like Tara said, maybe she left. Get out. I hope she didn't. Maybe Jack hired slasher.

[00:24:12] Oh, it was that mother. Wow. You just cracked this whole case wide open. That's why I'm a parent. That is why. What point in reindeer games do we get jingle bot to come and roast everybody? Oh, no. Not that. I don't. I didn't even think about Zing bot.

[00:24:32] Are they going to bring in Zing bot? Like a holiday themed roast. Like all holiday puns. I don't know what holiday pun would you make something to do with. Burr. You threw it back to me too quick.

[00:24:52] I wanted to come up with a jingle bot from us right now and I need to put the ball back in her core. Okay. I don't think Zing bot's coming. I don't think so. I will say my favorite part of the performance by far was,

[00:25:07] was Derek X just being knocked straight over from bottom. Straight over from by Jill Frost. No one gets between Claire and her man. Okay. Jill Frost needed to back up, take a few steps. Derek's a taken man. Oh man. You know, at first it was America.

[00:25:33] Now it's Jill Frost. It's like who's next? These women and their women. Why it's women. Taryn. Am I right? Right. I mean, at least America was thirsty. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying?

[00:25:45] It's amazing how much women when you say like that just sounds like why men? Right. Why? Shebel says it like why men, which is a valid question that we should all be asking. Why men? But women, you know? Women. You know what I mean? You know what?

[00:26:04] I'm a girl's girl so I'm just going to stay over here on the sweater side of the podcast. You and me. I'm wearing a sweater. You can't see it. It's below the... You had a more cheerful sweater before the podcast that showed

[00:26:17] at the shoulder level and then you changed. Listen, women. It's like you're trying to hurt me. I do have a question about the women. Mary, you said you were a girl's girl. Well, Taylor has been a lot of debate on whether or not Taylor is a girl's girl.

[00:26:32] But in this episode, Mary, what's up? What happened? What happened to the girls' girls? Why women, you know? You know what? Taylor, she's a girl's girl but she also, she knows how to take care of herself here and she knows that the best way

[00:26:46] to win this game is to keep her little shield X around. And she's got her eyes on the real prize which has taken out Frankie. So I think I understand the move. She also had a pretty good explanation early in the episode when she said this.

[00:27:02] When you're in good with everybody, there's going to have to be a time where you are not good with everybody. Yeah. Wise words. Poetry. Yeah. Listen, Taylor knows what she's doing. I feel like we've seen kind of a mixed reception to her

[00:27:17] this time which I do not understand because she is doing very well and looking beautiful while she does it. I don't really see what there is to hate. I will never understand hating Taylor Hale and that's, I guess my cross to bear.

[00:27:31] But you know what, she had a really hard decision. She had to decide if she was going to go with the women or if she was going to go and like finally prove to X that he could trust her. It was a difficult situation to be in.

[00:27:43] And you know what, Nicole has been the demise of a lot of women's alliances, you know? It feels a little cheap for her to come in on her fourth time on TV and now suddenly she believes in girl power. Interesting.

[00:28:00] I think Taylor would have done at the candy cane rodeo thing. Well, we already lost it to Monty and. Her and her face. Yeah. Was that the final challenge? I don't remember. Yeah. Yeah. It was just her and Brittany had both competed on the Weeners before. Yeah.

[00:28:22] And see, I that's the thing. I really felt that in this show, we were going to get Brittany losing her dignity on a slippery candy cane and it didn't happen. And now it probably won't happen based on tonight. So that is disappointing.

[00:28:38] So strategically the thing that I was most curious about in this episode was whether or not y'all think that Brittany and Nicole made the right choice in caving to split up the two pairs because this is really like a, you know, 50-50 situation.

[00:28:57] You're either potentially going, they were thinking you might have to compete against your pair in the Santa showdown didn't end up being that way. So it wouldn't have mattered. But the, I guess theory is if we are together, if Brittany and Nicole were together and they had one,

[00:29:13] they would have both been safe. Yeah. That's outcome. I felt like this was a no brainer from my perspective where it was like, given what we've seen so far, the showdowns tend to be more physical, more geared toward

[00:29:29] like, like bigger guys and the jingle bell brawls have been a lot more equitable. We've seen like the women have been winning those more often. So I don't know if I agree, Karen, because the logic puzzle with the gifts for the kids, I feel

[00:29:45] anyone could have won and one showdown and the one last week, I don't think necessarily was better for a bigger guy with the wheel. You know, and the X wasn't an X versus Cameron that was just that puzzle, right?

[00:29:56] I mean, I guess it's kind of, it was back and forth a lot of that, but it wasn't that bad. I think they're just, I mean, the challenges in general probably a little bit more fair. X could have filled like five buckets of sweat in that. Yeah.

[00:30:07] But I hear what you're saying. I kind of agree with both though. It's like, I do think there's a little more running and force than I've typically been in those. But I think the idea is, and maybe this is what you're

[00:30:19] going to say, Taryn, set yourself up best for if you think you can win in a girl-girl pair in the Jingle Bell brawl and be together because worst case scenario, you have to compete against someone that's your own size in a Santa showdown.

[00:30:36] If they were thinking they were going to go in together, like that's definitely seemed like the no brainer to me. Yeah. In terms of the Jingle Bell brawls, there haven't been any that have been like, oh, a guy wins this.

[00:30:47] And so if I'm a woman, I'd be more worried about a showdown than a Jingle Bell brawl. And I'd want to put myself on equal footing in terms of like physicality for a showdown while not even disadvantageing myself in a Jingle Bell brawl.

[00:31:03] So like if you pair up with a man, then you have theoretically an equal chance with the other team or other teams. But then in a showdown there's a chance you just get outsized. Whereas if you team up with another woman, I think

[00:31:19] you still have basically an equal chance. And even if you don't, even if you lose that, you're at least on equal ground for the showdown. So that yeah, that's why I felt like for me that seemed like a pretty clear choice, but there was

[00:31:31] also some social pressure there. Here's what I love about the BB Ranger games. We are sitting here having this whole discussion. They had this whole talk of how they thought it was going to go. And BB Ranger game said, nope, one from each team. Love it.

[00:31:47] Keep them on our toes. No, that was pretty cool, you know, because they kept us on our toes, you know, like Taryn was saying, it's pretty obvious what you probably should be doing here. But when you give each person the chance

[00:31:56] to choose anyway, it's like, yeah, you maximize your opportunity, but there's still another twist. It gives you another added layer and to make sure that one person and one alliance can't really just steamroll. I mean, Frankie and Nicole are still from the

[00:32:08] same season and they're still here, but they had to basically bring in Brittany as their new BB 16 person just to make it this far. And so now you have Taylor and, well, Taylor and Frankie in a position where they have to choose someone else.

[00:32:22] And now obviously that puts Josh in a very tight spot, but it puts Taylor in a worse spot because she's like, what am I going to do here? You know, I've actually had other alliances that I've been working on and I have to

[00:32:33] now show my cards in a way that there's going to be no coming back from this. People are going to know what my in-game plans are just based off of this decision and we just don't get the decision like that in Big Brother a lot anymore.

[00:32:44] If not ever, you know, it's just kind of straightforward a lot of times and I really wish they could incorporate some of this into maybe the veto competitions or HOH or something. Even these like, you know how we get those third competition sometimes, the road trip

[00:32:57] and stuff like that give us something to make it a little bit more interesting to where yeah, these players can't just say, okay, we're part of this big 13 person alliance, sorry, number 14, you're going home. I don't like it. Yeah.

[00:33:09] And I think that like this is sort of the point of this game and this show is that like these decisions are shots in the dark in survivor terms because we don't know what the format is going to be and neither do they

[00:33:25] even in terms of like what happens at the end, we don't really know all we know is that it's supposedly some kind of tournament that was said in the first episode, but like what does that even mean? There's been a social component to all of

[00:33:38] the competition so far is like it could be a tournament where then somebody picks somebody or it could be a tournament where people pick somebody or it could be a tournament where people are able to gang up on other people.

[00:33:49] And on top of the fact that just every single time what is the advantage, what is the disadvantage, what is the competition for the Jingle Bell Brawl, what kind of teams are you put in, what is the showdown going to be,

[00:34:03] how many people are going to be in it, how are those people going to be picked? None of these things are a given they have been different every single time so trying to plan for it in the future is a completely losing battle and so when put into

[00:34:17] these kinds of situations I'm like yeah it seems like a given decision to me to make sure that the women team up and you know so that the men are together. But as we just saw that decision might have been worse given what ended up happening

[00:34:29] because even though you're going off of well it's usually this way well it has been usually that way and that played out correctly but the underlying assumption was wrong. They weren't going to go against each other, in fact they couldn't go against each other. So it's I think

[00:34:45] very difficult to know what decision you're going to make and so instead of like other aspects of the game feeling random like they've added more randomness to even the strategy of it where you're just trying to make the best decision for you in the moment where you're like

[00:35:03] maybe this one I think hopefully. And that can be okay, like that can be compelling to watch someone have to make snap decisions that are strategic without worrying about the longer strategic plan or trying to factor it in but they know that they're not going

[00:35:19] to be able to plan it out because it's the format is going to change next week and not only our next episode or the next day whatever and not only that but this is the first time that this is happening so they don't even know what to expect

[00:35:31] from the whole show which is something else I'd say that if they're ever going to do a reindeer games part two or something like that mix it up even further don't follow the exact same format don't do the you know individual then a two person team then it

[00:35:45] no mix it up don't even have all of the first competitions be this exact competition make it something else instead of the run around looking for clues or something like the biggest killer of expect the unexpected in these shows have been when they are expecting the exact points

[00:36:03] of certain things throughout the season and the exact formula and I know this is different from Big Brother but like it's the same group working on it you can take some of the inspiration from this and see what kind of things worked and maybe think about

[00:36:15] how you can use that moving forward no but imagine it's the double eviction rain the whole house has been plotting and scheming they know exactly who they're going to nominate what they're going to do okay well it's a double eviction tonight you're

[00:36:27] going to do your vote but it's not going to be a whole week of Big Brother it's going to be this snowflake maze puzzle and each person will have a minute less who's going home let's go I feel it now you know that more people get with some

[00:36:43] the feeds are about to be good oh my god I can already because you can even just imagine like we're listening to the update we're like Taren was about that I don't know they might not and you're like dang this is really good and they expected

[00:36:59] double eviction but they're not expecting Jack Frost you know so switch it up a little bit that kind of got me going this is why I like Big Brother I like that kind of stuff but we don't get a hold

[00:37:09] when did Jack Frost to terrorize the house guys in a regular season I mean like genuinely I think there's a ton of promise for an episode of regular Big Brother where it follows that elimination style format from the last episode where first of all

[00:37:25] show the whole thing on the feeds didn't you have to show the competition itself just show them waiting inside on the feeds and the discussion about it and then an episode where you start with that competition so that it could end at any time and there's no amount

[00:37:41] of like you know you're not going to be able to you know all with the episodes not over so obviously and I think that that really works so here we are the teams ultimately are picked and it's going to be Frankie and Taylor Josh

[00:37:59] and Brittany and then Xavier and Nicole this seemed pretty dominantly Frankie and Taylor here I don't know if Xavier and Nicole really came all that close they got frozen for a little while but you know they didn't even really edit it

[00:38:17] to seem like it was that close so I assume that they just kind of dominated this competition that's what it felt like to me that freeze is a hell of a advantage you know just a stop all right let's go let's make some things happen

[00:38:29] also Frankie is good at everything Frankie's literally good at everything I know like I was joking about it and the first episode where they caught Frankie one of the greatest competitors on Big Brother history of all time I don't know what the stats say

[00:38:41] I mean what is he bad at you know what I'm saying like it's just those challenges no matter what it is he has a decent shot at literally any of them he's good at puzzles he's very physical he's just made for stuff like this

[00:38:53] I think that you can't put Frankie in a situation like this and count him out and so I wasn't shocked at all when I saw the result I mean you put Frankie in 100 written Big Brother competitions I think he's going to win far more than

[00:39:05] the average person would I don't know how he stacks up against like a Jag but he's definitely good in terms of percentage in terms of average placement and honestly in terms of actual comp wins and not discrediting battle the block competitions he pretty much outperforms a Jag

[00:39:23] in every category but maybe like somebody like Michael is like that's where it's like is he actually like a Michael or Janelle level like in her prime that's maybe to be determined maybe we'll see based on this competition based on this shot yeah even Victor

[00:39:43] was another one who if you put him he did a lot of battle backs and stuff like that in his time there were a few people in the more recent era of Big Brother where the challenges have changed a lot more you know the Janelle challenges were

[00:39:55] a lot more crapshooty if I remember a lot of throwing a hula yeah a lot of quizzes and stuff like that but you know these hold on to something hurry up and run into a puzzle jump into a ball pit all that kind of stuff

[00:40:07] that's Frankie's name written all over it so yeah I wasn't shocked at all but there are only a few slouches I would say here and Josh being one of them I kind of was like alright that Nicole's a good Frankie is good

[00:40:21] Xavier is one of a bunch of challenges Josh has an interesting challenge record for someone who competes on the challenge every year twice a year well but this was classic challenge and Josh too like he talks a big game he's like has he won a single elimination

[00:40:41] ever thank you one out of seven get your reindeer game thank you Brian Cole so it's not surprising I mean and it's okay I think I've always liked Josh more than like the average person does so for him to be also getting a good

[00:41:01] reception on this I'm just thrilled for him I'm happy for Josh and I also would be bad let me be very clear Josh and I would probably perform about the same until he went on the challenge and got like jack

[00:41:11] and so he's better than me so let me just say that I'm not I'm just not applying for these shows that's the difference okay so he's a big brother winner he's done really well in the challenge a few times you know he's no pushover but Nicole, Xavier Frankie

[00:41:27] it's really hard to beat those players in like challenge records go so you know he was fighting uphill battle you just happen to be paired to pair with somebody who could kind of help him a lot it just didn't work out yeah

[00:41:39] well how this is going to work is that Frankie and Taylor will both decide one person from each team to compete in the show this was very complicated in order to get the result that they wanted and they did get the result they wanted and it was

[00:41:57] a random draw from the bag it's not like they like whip this up specifically for this circumstance but like the idea of okay each of you is going to pick one person from each team and you're going to draw colored balls to determine which team you are choosing

[00:42:19] was quite a lot but but it worked out because it meant that Frankie was obviously going to choose Josh and I loved how Frankie pitched this to Taylor up in the like HOA where it was like okay Taylor this is a team decision we are going to make

[00:42:39] this decision together so Josh and Xavier well Frankie keeps saying everything's a team decision he's doing everything for the team everything we're what four episodes then out of six now stand on your own two feet and take some ownership for your decisions it's so convenient

[00:42:59] that what Frankie wants is what's best for any team also yeah Frank is good he just is he's good he's like yeah obviously this makes the most sense for both of us so if you don't do this this makes complete no like no sense at all

[00:43:15] and that means you must be doing something outside of the plan that's best for all of us I say all of us I mean me specifically if you do something that does not benefit me here I know I can't work with you in the future so Taylor we

[00:43:29] the team up Frankie and Taylor are getting rid of Josh and we're getting we're putting Xavier and Josh up against each other because it makes us they're strong guys why wouldn't you one of those people out I mean Nicole's in the diary room just like it doesn't make

[00:43:41] any sense to me why would you do this you're taking strong guys to the end Cody says hi you know I'm so you know it's just that's what you do that's big brother that's how it works and I love that it's trickled

[00:43:55] into reindeer games as well and I just I would like to address the person that Chad says oh Frankie did own his move last week putting Xavier in yeah he did when he put Xavier in and then when Xavier came back into the house

[00:44:05] he's like I gave you so much time for us Xavier and Frankie the thing that we've been doing day one alliance what are you talking about go off yeah I don't blame for like yeah you should of course do it yeah

[00:44:19] like I don't blame for it but I am annoyed I want to stand on his own two feet I want to stand in his truth and say it you know did now did I miss when they were drawing the colored balls was it also established

[00:44:33] like that one of them was going to go first and one was going to go second because to me that seemed like so much bigger of a situation too oh and I think they were the same two ornaments were like the same size so I guess I mean

[00:44:47] no not when they were drawing it I mean like did they say and whoever gets the red ball will be choosing first I think Frankie got to no Frankie didn't choose first I don't know no Taylor chose first and I was actually

[00:44:59] very surprised about that because I think Frankie gets to choose last because he won maybe yeah I don't know because their team could have lost in the second part so it just seems like the Frankie decision was the no brainer like the one

[00:45:15] that we all knew was going to happen the Taylor one was at least in the edit a little bit more up in the air so it was surprising that she went first but well yeah I agree yeah maybe there's some mechanism we didn't see okay

[00:45:31] so uh so Taylor is now forced to make a decision this is not a Holly jolly holiday no longer a Holly jolly holiday I she's aligned with everybody she has no way she has a women's alliance and she has an alliance with Xavier and Josh and

[00:45:49] that means that she basically has to choose between the alliances and this was an impossible decision I literally spent like 15 minutes or 10 10 to 15 I don't however long there was when she had this decision in front of her going back and forth in my head about the decision

[00:46:07] because strategically for me it makes no sense to put an Xavier right because there's an alliance of three Nicole, Brittany and Frankie by putting in Xavier you're guaranteeing that your side pieces Xavier and Josh at least one of them is guaranteed to leave forcing

[00:46:25] you to be relying on somebody else's power structure which is Brittany and Nicole who have Frankie you don't have Frankie in the same way now all you're left with is either Josh or Xavier if you still even have them because you just betrayed them both

[00:46:39] and so that immediately was in my head but then you also have to consider the idea that like well at some point Xavier has to go right could it be now I think based on the competition we know it wouldn't have been now but like

[00:46:55] if we're close to the end is it just the move to throw Xavier in any way and just hope for the best and hope that you know he leaves and that you can beat the remaining people and it really is I think absolutely not a straightforward decision

[00:47:13] in any way or fashion like it was such like I've never been like live watching a big brother going like wait hold on no this one no wait hold on yeah that was a really tough situation for her to be in

[00:47:29] and I think that the way that she you know explained to us why she made the decision she did made sense so I trust Taylor I think also like has a friendship with Xavier outside the game and so it really comes down to did they have a conversation

[00:47:47] before the game saying hey are we is this just going to be whatever we're trying to get to the end we can vote each other out what you know whatever situation or is this a this is a stupid little game so let's try to get one

[00:47:59] of us to win so let's work together it could have been either one and my gut is telling me that that came down to the decision of who she's actually friends with well I don't know because we already saw her put in Xavier over Nicole

[00:48:11] once but yeah it was a little I was a little different yeah like that was I just feel like if if like say Frankie was in there I think she a thousand percent puts Xavier yeah I think it also at that point in time she wasn't the only

[00:48:27] one making the decision so she's able to kind of explain that away a little bit she wasn't the only one making the decision and they're saving one person and having the other and having two people compete yeah right or three people I don't even remember

[00:48:41] was that you know which one that was yeah that was when it was when Cody chose the team and then Cody Frankie and Xavier yeah so there was going to be three of them anyway so at that point it's like well let's just have the three guys

[00:48:55] compete and knock one of them out I don't know that's a little different than this scenario where it's like we're this far into the game your mind does go what Terrence talking about into the numbers of where am I going to be if Xavier is gone how much

[00:49:07] is Nicole really on my side as opposed to Frankie yada yada yada yeah complicated yeah and I definitely was trying to figure out like what should she do here because you know going to the end with Frankie and Xavier like

[00:49:21] possibly two out of the four people that you have to like in those last challenges would be insane right but at the same time Xavier has been showing some ineptitude and some challenges we saw them pack him up in that one challenge with the trees where you

[00:49:35] put the ornaments on each side I mean he basically was in one spot and they lapped him and won that challenge then if you look at Jack Frost's challenge Xavier had everybody thinking it was a death sentence to even go into the challenge

[00:49:47] well it took me three minutes so I don't know what y'all going to do you know Britney's crying passing out throwing up and all kinds of stuff and he cooked him up you know so it's like Xavier might be around

[00:49:57] he might be a great shield to have or even somebody that you can use but if I'm Taylor if I got to go into the end with Frankie or Xavier I'm picking Xavier you know like I think I might be able to beat him

[00:50:07] in a world where maybe I can't beat Frankie so I lean toward yeah go ahead and save Xavier but it is wild to have the opportunity to take out somebody like Xavier who's won so many challenges in the past

[00:50:19] who is a big smart guy and not put him up so I understand why everybody else like Nicole was so confused as to why she would end up down there it's just that I mean even Xavier versus Nicole I'm not counting Nicole out you know

[00:50:31] I knew instantly Nicole was going to be Josh so you know I just think that we're starting to see that with these challenges being a little bit more equitable there's a lot more variants in that maybe going to the end with X

[00:50:41] isn't the worst thing in the world now it could get down to a foot race in the last challenge we don't know but right now I'm like you kind of have to go with Xavier I mean with equitable comps like it's an actual decision

[00:50:53] and it's one where there's really a lot of credibility to the idea of keeping him around and if you think about it right like okay he hasn't won any Jingle Bell Brawls he hasn't won any Naughty or Nicers and he's which means he's only won showdowns he beat

[00:51:11] Cam and he beat Frankie and Cody in one and then he was terrible at the third one he was he got the worst time of anybody including Danielle and Brittany and he was terrible in the balance Jingle Bell Brawl so it's like yeah

[00:51:27] now all of a sudden like we're looking at like maybe at best like a 50-50 he's going to do really well he's going to do really poorly and at the same time be a massive target and be somebody that's gunning for like who's super on your side

[00:51:43] who's going to be a target who's gunning for Frankie and probably go in with Frankie and it's again it's like I can see like because part of it too is that for myself like my own head I'm still stuck in Big Brother 25

[00:51:57] when it's like you don't get this person now they will win everything but that hasn't been how the competition's been going and so you know it's interesting and it's really I think it's this kind of decision making that's making Brain Deer Games interesting and it's a very fast-paced

[00:52:15] show where it's just like yeah another part of it is how does the final four work we don't know it could be multiple challenges you get points in the highest points win it could be a knockout style thing four people versus and then down to three people

[00:52:31] versus down to two people versus a lot of things I would expect it to be an elimination there'd be an elimination component because otherwise even with the more equitable comps I wouldn't have been surprised if the girls were like look

[00:52:47] we got to get one of Xavier and Frankie out now and we got to get the other one out next you know next time so we need to do everything we can to get Xavier gone and I would have included Taylor in that thought process

[00:52:59] but I don't know I would assume and this is again it's like you can't really assume but you have to guess right if there's four people for one episode there have been three competitions every episode I would assume you do one competition to eliminate one person

[00:53:15] another competition to eliminate a second person then a final competition between the final two yeah like that's what makes the most sense to me and in that case are those competitions going to be gang up on one person if so like what is the spot there

[00:53:35] you can't be outnumbered in that spot you need to have at least one person who you've got and so it's like you know that's huge I'd much rather have a locked in ally in that spot than taking out a comp beast because you think you can beat them

[00:53:53] and now all of a sudden you're outnumbered and it's like oh crap so it's just so variable in terms of like what is actually ahead of you it's impossible to make a call so let's say let's say Taylor does decide to send X in

[00:54:09] X beats Josh and he comes back it's not like Xavier is about to go align with Frankie, Brittany and Nicole to take out Taylor next he doesn't really have anywhere else to go so isn't it just as safe to be like go down there beat

[00:54:23] Josh bro I know you're coming back and then it's be the two of us still because what are you going to do what are you going to do is he really going to come in and hit axe the grind as Taylor of all these people

[00:54:33] Frankie's feeling the warmest he is if you send Nicole and Nicole loses then the other side loses a number and you've protected your whole side of three right so it's just yeah and like another part of this is like keeping Josh around is the absolute ideal

[00:54:49] like you want to give Josh the best chance to win because Josh being in the finals is amazing for you in almost every capacity because he's not great at the competitions he's a bigger threat than you and he's loyal to you

[00:55:05] so like giving the best odds for Josh to stay is probably your top priority and then another thought that I had was like okay you put Xavier down let's assume and this might be wrong that Xavier now gets to pick the two people

[00:55:19] next round he wins Jingle Bell Bro he gets to pick two people going to showdown he's obviously going after Frankie but who does he put next to Frankie to compete with Frankie if he has no more ties to you would be Taylor

[00:55:31] is it Taylor because she maybe has the best chance to beat Frankie because she's won more comps or maybe Brittany's another good choice, Brittany's also won a couple but like now all of a sudden it's a decision because you just threw him in just like Brittany did

[00:55:43] and so there's a lot of different variables there but I think the thing that I didn't think of until after the episode was Josh is the key here you want to do the thing that gives Josh the best chance to stay and that means throwing Xavier in

[00:55:59] because Snake Hole is not going to lose a challenge like this baby yeah and that's now all I can think about really in the wake of these last two episodes is what is more powerful Taylor's karma or Nicole's vindictive snakeness because Nicole will forgive

[00:56:19] but she will never forget you know so what's going to ultimately end up being more powerful to me that's the story of the rest of the season she has too many grudges now she's in there with Frankie who screwed her over in her season she's there with Brittany

[00:56:33] who tweeted mean things about her and now Taylor who threw in the thing listen Nicole loves arrival she loves to have arrival more than anything so I think that this is like it's tough I want to believe that Taylor's karma is stronger but it's just you know Taylor's

[00:56:49] karma hasn't existed as long as Nicole's snakeness yeah and she's in a I mean it's a feast of all these grudges right like she will unhinge her jaw and she will eat those grudges she's shutting it down she's a bosselist you know she's just coming in

[00:57:05] and she's like hey hey bro she doesn't have to be loyal to anybody because now they've all wronged her in some ways shape form of fashion so she's like well I was going to go with the girls Taylor but I'll guess it's you

[00:57:15] well Brittany remember that stuff you said online well Frankie remember that time you betrayed me it's like damn who's going after Nicole when Nicole has like well you know I guess I could just come after you it's like yes

[00:57:27] Nicole man she's a piece of the mud man this is crazy Nicole would be I mean this is not a hot take but Nicole would be one of the most entertaining villains ever if she would just lean into it lean into it just admit yourself

[00:57:41] I feel like she has a little bit so far this season I want her to say like to the camera like I'm going in I'm getting I forgive but I don't forget I want her to say that if Nicole had not been such a weirdo

[00:57:55] during all stars I could just sit here and be happy at root for Nicole but I can't forget the way she acted towards Bailey Davon and Ian I can't forget it I love it I'm gonna I'm gonna say because we've been hearing

[00:58:09] this for years now right like oh if Nicole would only own her villainy that would make her better but I think for me I'm just in this moment coming to a realization that I think I actually prefer call prefer call prefer Nicole not owning her villainy more entertaining

[00:58:27] that way then she is if she was just an everyday regular villain I think that like she this is just this fits Nicole a lot more I agree why she's frustrating like or not fresh she elicits emotional responses from exactly what you want women people like

[00:58:45] the reason people like me have this response of wanting her to be a villain is so that I can feel better about rooting for her villainy right because you want to make yourself feel better about it because you want to do it so bad look at the actual

[00:59:01] villains that you know in your everyday life you know the people that are the worst people you know almost all of them somehow seem to make it out that nothing is ever their fault and everyone's against them and these are the people in their therapy appointments manipulating

[00:59:21] their therapist like this is true evil that was very specific okay text me later I'm dropping names listen I love Nicole and I think that that not owning it is a part of what makes her such a good character it's still like what are you

[00:59:41] talking about I don't know what you're talking about it's the thing that you know you know that I think a good villain is is just like yeah you want me to do a thing so that you can say I'm the villain

[00:59:51] that you love to hate no just hate me because I'm a real villain you know right she tell and Karen and I think you've even lightened me it's like you want to get behind it so you could say I support this person and I'm

[01:00:03] saying no I don't want to support my villain I want my villain to be a villain and I say yeah am I villain about to come and just demolish all I said and baby all before we even my first podcast I came

[01:00:15] on rjp and I said y'all better watch Nicole in all stars because she's going to come in she's gonna chop up your faves and everybody was like no it's not going to happen and she did it and I said the same thing

[01:00:25] here and reindeer guys that you got us you gotta watch Nicole she's good and you might don't you don't have to like it but I mean if you like effectiveness look no curl no closer than the Nicole bro that's what she does I'm

[01:00:37] sorry because a fake villain plays a villain for TV for fun a real villain thinks they're the hero a real villain thinks that a hero exactly and listen it's about variety you know like I feel like we do get like like people

[01:00:53] who are willing to own their villainy on on the screen and there are a lot of people that don't but like the thing is that Nicole is the best at being a villain and and and like here's the thing listen to Nicole's

[01:01:05] deep dive with me after all starts like she knows what she's doing and she wants credit for it and she should get credit for it because it's very effective most of the time but there's also an element of it that we saw where it's like

[01:01:17] you know fake crying in the diorum when you're voting somebody out or you know like the various things that we've seen that's like part of the strategy but also part of like how she operates but then also she's not just a straight villain either she is

[01:01:31] also a very loyal player most of the time to specific people and so like it's it's all wrapped up into one package and no matter what every single time she's on your screen no matter how much you either like her or dislike her she gets a response from

[01:01:47] you and that's why she keeps coming back yeah and I want to be very clear here at least for myself I can't speak for everyone else on the panel I was speaking 100% about the TV show character Nicole that I am seeing you can actually

[01:02:01] for the whole panel Mary I don't know if anyone's like why do you hate Nicole or why do you love Nicole or whatever I'm not even talking about Nicole the person like I'm talking about a TV show character that I'm watching and the

[01:02:15] cultivated like Teran saying the cultivated strategy and persona that probably has elements of her real life but also is for big brother and is part of the whole thing that includes things like exit interviews and any press that she does about the show this is this is part

[01:02:31] of it and you can like or dislike that character and talk about it in that way without having anything to do with bashing a real person who exists we don't know that lady we just talked about TV show and that's other thing too is it's like people

[01:02:45] are always more complicated than just oh this person's a hero this person's a villain like it's never that simple right because a lot of y'all heroes be my villains I'm looking at everybody who clapped last week when Daniel Reyes went home yeah bring love you mother queen what

[01:03:03] I just I don't understand I I don't understand how anyone could be happy for Daniel Reyes to go y'all are happy with Britney Haines won like I'm proud of Britney Haines for completing the competition y'all the one I don't want my faves to fight

[01:03:21] I don't want to get this guy what did I say episode one of this show I posted you can check my twitter I said Britney and Daniel are in a mother off like this is horrible I want them to be together Daniel wins obviously she's more mother obviously

[01:03:37] I thought they were together in the first episode I thought they were working together I wanted them together I wanted them working together my favorite big brother player of all time I wanted her to demolish all of these people I love Taylor Hale but Danielle versus Taylor

[01:03:51] Danielle everybody versus Danielle for me that's why I can't respect y'all see that's the thing is when it was getting down to where maybe Danielle will go home is every single other person that I've gone yet to be like put me in instead she's saying I love Taylor

[01:04:07] and I've known Taylor for two years I've known Danielle for my whole life life you know like the only mother comparison that we could ever be on this show was literally on last season big brother and that's Suri and she's from

[01:04:21] a different mother that's a mama from a different mama you know what I'm saying that's from survivor mama well Chappelle you were lucky that Suri was not on Reindeer Games where you'd have to decide between the two decide I would have just burst into flames strike me down

[01:04:35] if I ever tried to decide between Suri and Danielle take me take me this to me did feel like the weakest episode so far not that it was bad but like I think there was a distinct lack of two very important ingredients that made Reindeer Games

[01:04:51] really really good which is one Danielle Reyes and two not enough Brittany there was not enough Brittany in this episode I think that was another thing if you lose Danielle to keep Brittany I need all Brittany content all the time you know what I'm saying

[01:05:05] like you wanted this now give us more Brittany Brittany is a queen of the diary room we all know that she's great television but yeah I felt like it was just a little spark that was missing from this episode and

[01:05:15] the ratings are gonna reflect you shouldn't have got rid of my mama because don't get it twisted we can talk all we want about how great and equitable the challenges are it is the cast that has made this not just tolerable but enjoyable 100%

[01:05:29] well and you know this episode was the first one that was only you know one hour episode and it had an hour and a half long endurance competition in it right and that says at all it didn't need to be longer than an hour alright well

[01:05:45] this podcast needed to be longer than an hour because we are over an hour I had feelings anything else we should talk about before we wrap up here I do want to I want to give a shout out to Taylor Hale one more time and because

[01:06:03] Kirsten was talking about Taylor earlier and it just reminded me that that gif of Taylor doing like that front flip into the snow I just see that every holiday season like Mariah Carey singing all I want for Christmas is you those two things should be spliced together

[01:06:19] until the end of time the most iconic big brother gif since Devon walking out the door and just like and strutting out how does Taylor do stuff like this I feel like there has to be like four takes to get anything remotely like that from anybody else

[01:06:33] Taylor doesn't one shot really I have an idea Chappelle we get you a TV specifically to put behind you in this camera shot for all podcasts that just plays the Taylor flipping gif on the loop I would love that if we were engaging to talk to Chappelle

[01:06:55] if Taylor Hale is behind him I also you know speaking of Taylor Hale you know if she's listening if anyone can get a message to her I would personally love to know what lipstick she was wearing in this episode because it was

[01:07:09] you were a red lip like no one else person that's what I've heard like no one's business I love people real villain in my life listen and I and I don't own it okay so we want to chat or asking about Brittany and Nicole's

[01:07:28] when equity as far as this goes I know we don't know what the final four challenges but do you think they put themselves in a good position for whatever that looks like to be able to topple somebody like Xavier and Frankie

[01:07:40] to be you know in the end of this game and actually have a good chance to win yeah well so basically the situation right now is obviously they just were betrayed by Taylor to you know whatever degree but they still kind of have to put Frankie

[01:07:56] in against Xavier if they have the option it just doesn't make sense to do anything else I think Brittany would do that a thousand percent I think Nicole probably would but I wouldn't be as sure as I would about Brittany but

[01:08:16] I think Taylor also does that I think all three of the women put Xavier and Frankie in together I think Xavier and Frankie put the other one in against one of the women if Xavier if it's Xavier he puts Frankie probably against actually don't know

[01:08:34] Nicole just beat Josh but Brittany's also performed well so I don't know it might just depend I feel like Nicole would be who I would aim at if I'm like if I'm thinking who can beat Frankie I'm thinking Nicole I'm not saying Brittany couldn't

[01:08:44] but I think Nicole for me is probably better and challenges in general maybe I think so I mean he put Brittany in once already but Nicole wasn't an option at that point so like who knows I think Nicole seems closer to Frankie so that might

[01:09:00] have an impact on the decision either way I think Frankie puts Taylor up against Xavier I think that like makes sense for him on multiple levels and so which is another reason why like keeping Josh in the game would have been much better

[01:09:14] for Taylor if that could have happened so I think no matter what we're looking at like Xavier or Frankie one of them is going to be in the show down next week tomorrow night and and that means they're gonna have a chance to leave you know

[01:09:36] ideally they're up against the other one Frankie versus Xavier which would put the women at a three to four advantage in the final at which point you'd still probably have the women getting up against that final guy although if you're Taylor and it's Xavier

[01:09:50] you might want to like take out one of the actually yeah you probably want to let's assume it has anything to do with social game right you want to do if I'm Taylor I'm working with Xavier and I'm working with one of Brittany or Nicole

[01:10:02] then I'm turning around and working with the one I didn't take out to take out Xavier next and then it's me versus the remaining one in the finals that would be what I do there otherwise if it's just Frankie then Brittany

[01:10:16] and Nicole kind of just dominate right because they go after Taylor first then they turn on Frankie so but that's assuming it's that format so so I think that their chances are pretty good actually I think that both of them are in a pretty decent spot

[01:10:36] they just have to survive one more round and one of them has a very good chance to win I would say the two of them you know honestly I'd put both of the guys at the bottom of the list right now

[01:10:50] I think they're both just too likely to head into a showdown good thank you we did it well we did it indeed so there we go that's the podcast we will be back tomorrow night I'll be live on Twitch watching tomorrow night's episode the penultimate Reindeer Games episode

[01:11:18] quite the one two three punchy we've got the penultimate Reindeer Games episode then we have the survivor finale on Wednesday and then on Thursday the Reindeer Games so all of the Reindeer games are on

[01:11:54] about it. Last week I got to talk about the last episode with Brian Scali and Matt Legore over on the Free Agents podcast, so that was a great time with them. They're so funny as y'all know,

[01:12:04] and so go check that out if you want to hear me rant about Danielle Reyes because it was at least 45 minutes of uninterrupting just shouting from me after that episode. I guarantee you turn it

[01:12:14] down. Just turn your volume down a little bit. Now turn it up. Turn it away up. But yeah, also here on Rob has a podcast Sasha and I are still covering Below Deck down below deck med.

[01:12:27] And so this week we did a double episode to make up for our week of missing below deck coverage because we were in New Orleans. And now we have one more episode before there is a brief below

[01:12:37] deck break. We go live on YouTube on Wednesdays at 3pm Eastern and talk to all the below deck fans. And you can find that on the Bravo rap rap up speed or you know, on our YouTube page as

[01:12:49] well. Also on Rob has a podcast Robin I are doing the nothing but Netflix podcast every week we did a basically episodic squid game the challenge coverage and we do exit interview with Trey

[01:13:02] and Leanne from the squid game. And that was funny as well like it was a great time. So check that out and then check out this week's nothing but Netflix. We had a special guest

[01:13:10] to talk about family switch we had Dominic Cesternino come on. And that was a great time seeing Rob and Rob Jr. Basically just you know podcasting. Yeah, it was fun to watch.

[01:13:21] So check that out. And then over on Post Show Recaps, Rob and I are still talking about suits every day suits podcast.com is where you find our daily suits rewatch podcast from

[01:13:31] suits on Netflix. We're up to season eight. We have about 15 episodes left and then we are done with our daily suits coverage. So jump in wherever you want start at the beginning

[01:13:40] jump into the end but go to suits podcast.com and to subscribe to that also on Post Show Recaps Mari and I are talking about rap shit. The finale of rap shit is this week and from the creator

[01:13:52] Issa Rae over on HBO Max. And so Mari and I have been covering every episode and we just released one of the episodes that today we have already recorded the finale episode. So join us on

[01:14:03] YouTube on Post Show Recaps to join that conversation and also you know of course subscribe to the connect wherever you get your podcast. And I think that's it. You know, just check out my Twitter at Chappell's underscore show to keep up with all the

[01:14:16] stuff I have going on and more. Dan Chappell's plugs longer than reindeer games. Yeah. And stay tuned because soon a gift of Taylor Hale will be playing behind him at all times. I want to get on a shirt but you remember those old days when we had the

[01:14:29] shirt that was like the digital shirt? Yeah. Like it's just Taylor doing this over and over again. Could you do like a zoom background of a gift of Taylor's gift? Maybe. Oh yeah. I was just like, Chappell, I want you to get... Did you see the Britney

[01:14:45] Haines embroidered shirt debacle this weekend? No, I didn't. No. She tried to get an embroidery done of her cringe face that she uses as her display picture everything and it turned out horrendous. I was like if you tried something like that with the Taylor Hale

[01:15:00] flip, I think it could be really funny. I wonder if it would also be horrendous probably but you know like I gotta put a lot of effort into this one because it means so much to me. I

[01:15:10] almost got that Dave Vendt gift tattooed on me. So you know, this is going to be a big step. Listen and Britney's own words, it's better that it's bad. All right, Mary, what do you got going on? I have nothing going on in terms of podcasts.

[01:15:24] I am chilling. It is the winter. I'm reading a lot of books, watching a lot of movies, saw the boy in the hair in yesterday, you know, having fun. Oh, I am though. Here's what I will

[01:15:36] plug. Follow me over on TikTok at Frail Mary and at Trail Mary. I'm posting some running content there. It's your trail runs. Yeah, look at my trail running content that I'm doing over there. But if you need podcast recommendations, I recommend mess magnets by Kirsten McKinnis.

[01:15:58] I've been listening to a lot of that. Interesting. So Kirsten, what do you happen to be up to? Could you recommend House of Villains because I definitely forgot to plug it. Yeah, I personally recommend listening to House of Villains recap. So Jenny Onam and Chappelle,

[01:16:13] I can't believe you would forget Jenny. Rude. They just released a double episode today. Nobody would have listened to them if you hadn't plugged them. So I'm glad you got it in. It had to get plugged. And obviously as Mary just said, mess magnets with myself and Sasha

[01:16:25] Joseph every week talking pop cultures, love gossip, trending topics. It's super fun. And then this past weekend myself and Jenny Onam finished covering F-Boy Island Season 3 over on the Hot Dummies on Island Speed. It was a pretty fun season, not as good as 1 and 2,

[01:16:40] but really good on the podcast. And of course, follow me everywhere at Kirsten's said what, including Twitch.tv slash Kirsten's said what. All right. Well, that's what we have for you today. Thank you all so much for joining

[01:16:51] us and we will see all of you next time. Just because like women, you know what I mean?