BB Reindeer Games | Ep 3 Recap

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Coming to you live from the North Pole, it's Rob has a podcast and now here's the guy who's

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_01]: A little in his feelings tonight. I am Rob Cesternino. Hello everybody welcome back

[00:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Reindeer Games they didn't tell us it was gonna be like this

[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Mike bloom are you pointing at the screen?

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_00]: My fingers are clenched in my fists that are shaking at rage at the big brother god

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god

[00:00:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Why yeah, yeah, I mean of all the nights of Reindeer Games

[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_01]: On night number three they warned us

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: They said that this one was gonna hit hard, but we weren't prepared for the hamster wheel of doom

[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: We're all left asking ourselves

[00:00:50] Why? Why?

[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay. All right back with us of course

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Taran Armstrong, Taran how are you?

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Son of a biscuit eating shrimp. Yep. Yes. That's how I am

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Such a kind way to put what I feel. I would the shrimp eat biscuits. Is that in its diet?

[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Think maybe you could like like feeding

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I feel that feels like feeding ducks bread. Mm-hmm. I don't want the shrimp small stomach to explode

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think that's the I guess that's the point is that if you're a son of a biscuit eating shrimp

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Then you're the son of an unhealthy shrimp

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Things that will make its stomach explode. Yeah

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But we can't have real cursing here on Reindeer Games

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Although we should tonight just brutal betrayals and people saw my god others about their children

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay. Here he is Mike bloom

[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: What the hell is going on with this

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_00]: It within an hour and a half we started off with this central casting bozo getting brought in

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Sucking like a minute and a half diddy that went nowhere and then it ends with like people

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Sobbing in the dl or about the legacy of Danielle Reyes. This show is

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely wild. Yep

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_01]: And of course

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Also, absolutely wild of course our friend

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Co-host of the mess magnets you can hear on big deck energy. It's Sasha Joseph Sasha. How are you?

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm horrible. I'm all of you in the chat and on Twitter showed where your loyalties lie

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm ready to fight you because why is Danielle? Yeah, okay?

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_01]: All right

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Got punch night here. Everybody was this was having fun for two nights here this week

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Then we got this one and you turn I said that earlier tonight like this was more squid game than big brother

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was very squid game

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah in a similar way where you're just like no, yeah

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Also like a squid game could take some notes from this. This was way better than rock paper scissors. Yeah, it's

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I haven't talked about that but screw

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh my god, but I think my favorite part of Squid Game was when Trey did it in like four minutes sixteen seconds

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like I'm doing it again. I think I could do it even less time

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Three more times actually

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let me go. All right, so so much to talk about we're here alive

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You could post your questions in the chat. We'll take them later on in the show

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But really the headline was okay with that people kept getting to go and it came down to it looked as though

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Brittany that was going to be Brittany's exit from the show. She said she couldn't even move the thing somehow

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Brittany pulls it out. That is do not want to take anything away from Brittany was a wonderful all-time

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Big brother adjacent moment for sure

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was it would that was incredible

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: but then

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: She goes back to Xavier and says Xavier. Why why did you do this?

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Tara she says or he says well, I did it to protect Danielle and

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, with shades of big brothers you just sealed your partner's fate

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right like I I don't know why

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_03]: He said that

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, you know, we were kind of ragging on Taylor in the first episode for talking to Frankie

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_03]: But like that kind of made sense. She was working with Frankie at the time

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_03]: and you know

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't a situation where she had reason to believe that like anything really bad would happen

[00:04:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Whereas Xavier he just tried to murder Brittany

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_03]: She's laying on the ground bleeding out and then like gets a health pack

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Stands back up and is like, all right Xavier. Why?

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_03]: He's like

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Danielle yeah, she's obviously gonna strike. What are you doing?

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Sasha

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Strategy in the room with us, you know what I mean? Like is there a brain in the room with us like are we alright?

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_05]: What why would we say Danny's name? I'm confusion

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Y'all been talking talking talking talking so much and

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Then everyone seen it and now you put your lips together to say my queen's name

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_05]: What what are you doing man?

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_05]: What are you doing? I

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Mean, I told us to rob before the show

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: I really do think Xavier is the Chris Underwood of the challenge fame of this season

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_00]: We're like he's getting sent into elimination

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And he is continually sticking his ship from a strategic perspective where nobody wants to work with him and Xavier

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_01]: You could lie. You could you could say Frankie Grande told me

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Um you could say any name yeah, like especially people that already went

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_05]: The Roe Nicole's name under the bus. Oh, she's the you know the winner and Nicole said X

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I think you can do it and maybe blah blah blah who lie lie your lawyer lie is in the

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Just do it

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It's being talked about in the chat because and I had this thought but like they didn't mention it at all in the episode

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_03]: But like is it possible that?

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Like of the three allies that he had vulnerable that it was actually Danielle that he felt like was actually the most

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_03]: disposable

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Expendable that's interesting. Yeah, cuz you could also say oh did he feel most burned by her from what happened last time

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: To express in those confessionals at least that like no I'm feeling good about her. Yeah

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: It's also possible like did he feel like of the three people?

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Did he feel like okay if if looking at the time?

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Like okay, well maybe let me get Danielle like the two minute and 30 second time slot because then she would have the best

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Chance to potentially do it

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_03]: it's possible I think like I would love to know from Xavier because

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_03]: It is such a weird call to make

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And we kind of know that he like we know that he's really close to Taylor

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_03]: We know that like they've been kind of the pair like so far

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_03]: So like this idea that like all of a sudden him and Danielle or the pair

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Seems like maybe it was a little bit of editing magic for this episode. Yeah, so I don't know

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to get your take on this turn as somebody who watched Xavier for whatever 80 some odd days in Big Brother 23

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_01]: We saw just the other night. Okay, Brit. Brittany was asking Xavier questions and she said he's not giving me anything

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: He's giving me a big plate of air and I feel like that

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Isn't Xavier typically a guy who was often like will say nothing as opposed to like giving up an important piece of information, right?

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I

[00:08:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Mean that's that's usually the MO

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean like that was the thing in in his season to where like the reason why people like Claire and Derek and all of them were

[00:08:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Suspicious of Xavier is because every time he would go talk to them because like Tiffany would be like Xavier

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_03]: They're suspicious of you go talk to them, please and he'd go talk to them

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_03]: And he'd give them nothing they'd be like I'm even more suspicious of Xavier and so

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_03]: You know yeah, usually he wouldn't do that and so like yeah

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_03]: There was this notion too and I think part of it was that like Danielle was saying like I don't want to go in

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to go in

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Whereas Taylor was a little more confident and so I think that like maybe maybe part of it just was

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Xavier feeling like okay. Well the narrative of

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_03]: The house is let's protect Danielle

[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Brittany you're close to Danielle. Why wouldn't you want to protect Danielle also?

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_03]: And so because we were all trying to protect Danielle, that's what I was I was just trying to protect Danielle

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what everyone was doing. Yeah

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know I would love to I would love to hear from Xavier

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_00]: That's protecting Danielle by saying like I'm going to give her slightly less poison than the next person that I want to give it to

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_00]: If she dies for poisoning

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_00]: She's still dead at the end of the day and that's we're sort of at that fun inflection point as well

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Where Xavier thought he was the first time of oh, I'm sending someone to their doom Brittany GTFO

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like okay, maybe this next time and so I feel like that's just gonna be such tough logic to use

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there's a larger meta narrative here as much as we try to you know

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Not see the force for the pine trees. This is a holiday special

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Could it be that they feel it's sort of against the spirit to lie that they feel like if they do they're being

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Not DJ screw G but perhaps a bit miserly in the aspect of holiday cheer and honesty

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that they're probably okay with lying. I mean these are big brother people

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Are they all sharing the prize money?

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I saw I actually saw Cody did say something that I may ask him about tomorrow. Yeah, he's speaking with all three boots

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wanted to ask you so I saw that you were gonna be doing exit press

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I so okay that hasn't happened yet. You're gonna have you're gonna talk to the first three boots

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so tomorrow I will be doing a junket. I'm talking with Cameron Cody and Danielle

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_00]: All three at once tomorrow so you can check that out parade comm should be doing that in the morning

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_00]: But I did see something where Cody had said that like after he had betrayed

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Nicole so badly on BB 22. He like did not want to lie to her whatsoever granted

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: There's no sort of meta connection there with Xavier and Brittany or anything, but who knows, you know, I think

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I've somebody had said that they walked in there like with some different mindsets as to how they wanted to do this as like

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Not a second chance at big brother

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But almost like an alternate universe chance at big brother and so maybe Xavier decided for whatever reason he's not gonna pinocchio it here

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: let's talk about Danielle and Danielle Reyes goes out and I

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so sad because I

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Really was hoping that that would have been the best story to come out of this where Danielle finally gets her win

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_01]: She tried with Fred the help of Frankie Grande and Brittany

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: to go and fix the

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: fix it all with the time laser earlier this year that didn't work out and

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Here she is and I really thought here. We are some what?

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: 21 years later from when she first played

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Taryn you and I did the blockumentaries and like my two big brother icons of

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: You know that where I fell in love with this show back to back is dr. Will and Danielle Reyes and

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Danielle I've wanted so badly for her to get this win. I thought we almost had it

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I I mean Xavier's confessional got me like when he's talking about like my win

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Taylor's win it all started with her

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_03]: You know it was so cool even Taylor like in the moment was like I said yes to this show because of Danielle

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_03]: you know back in in BB 24 and

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know she

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_03]: She is such a legend. She's bring she's brought so much to the show. She means so much to the show I

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Think that like for me

[00:12:33] [SPEAKER_03]: If she doesn't win, I would have her go out no other way like this was like the best way

[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_03]: She could have gone out like you know playing hard

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Like in a messy dramatic emotional way

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm glad that it it was like this and it wasn't just like out with a whimper

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_03]: I was really hoping that she could pull something out here

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_03]: But but man

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just so so good to be able to see her not only to be able to see her on this show being able to play

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_03]: In the way that she was but also to see the the impact that she has had on these future players and winners

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Is just so so good

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Sasha, I know you two are very upset tonight

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Here is the thing no offense to everyone

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_05]: But still okay

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_05]: You played me cuz

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Danielle race hasn't been on our TVs in so long

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Some of these people have been around the block and back. All right and been on all these other damn shows

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, Josh you got you got two episodes worth of love. I think you could get up for her

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_05]: You've got to try to give it up. You got the love

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's all I'm saying okay, I'm kidding but all I'm saying is I

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't I don't appreciate it because we just got Danny back all these other people had their chance

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_00]: We got we got her for a week a week of episodes. Yeah, they say this is all we get so here's

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Everyone I was already championing Rob to go Rob this one

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_05]: To go on traitors and now I have to do Rob and Danielle

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_05]: So the point is y'all are taking my

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_01]: In the multiverse. Yeah, one time she humiliated me on Big Brother 3

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And you go on with her, you know what to do Sasha just said what Josh had to do finish the job

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_05]: No, no Rob. Don't do that because we haven't had you on TV either

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Hold on because Rob and Danielle on season three of the traitors would be such such a full circle moment

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Be so wild start the campaign because I've already started it keep it going people

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Adding more people yeah for the Rob was Rob was almost on Big Brother 3 with Danielle

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah way back in the day Jason guy was in my casting that we were like taking all of our tests

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Way back when so Danielle and I after the show like we were able to connect way back when and I used to

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Hang out with her on the charity circuits and everything and she was in person

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything that I ever like thought she would be on television sometimes, you know Sasha

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_01]: You go to these things and you know people aren't like what you expect them to be like

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_01]: but no she was

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Amazing and you know, I really you know

[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so happy for you know anytime we get to see her on something. Oh, she's incredible

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_00]: She is absolutely amazing and she did not miss a step. I love that as well like

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_00]: No offense to Keisha Smith

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_00]: But we see people come back into like granted

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_00]: This is not a modern day big brother setting but they come back perhaps a bit changed and it takes them a little while to get their

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Footing maybe it was the warm-up with the time laser skits

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_00]: But Danielle was ready to go from the jump and I also just love this idea of

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Despite the competitions being a bit more balanced and will certainly get into that

[00:16:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I think for everyone especially them being you know multi-time players

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_00]: They realize the only way I know how to play is like how I am and so Danielle throughout was like

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for inviting me on this competition show of which I'm not entirely good at competitions

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_00]: So let me try to do things the Danielle Reyes way and like was mentioned

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_00]: I could see no better way for her to go out as to essentially become like

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Collateral damage essentially by being too good with too many people that she gets caught because of it

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean do we think that maybe Taylor was potentially gonna

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: If not fall on the sword say okay, well like don't

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I'll take the spot for Danielle. Give me the shot and then maybe could she decide to pick Josh?

[00:17:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, she is a sword so

[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm, I mean it felt to me like because I was thinking about it

[00:17:09] [SPEAKER_03]: You know Brittany just completed the thing in under two minutes thirty seconds

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_03]: So now of a sudden it's like okay Xavier just kind of sucked at it because Frankie also completed it in under two minutes

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_03]: 30 seconds, so it seems now like the person that goes next

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_03]: might actually just have it and I would assume from Taylor's perspective the default pick for Brittany is Josh and

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Josh being a big guy

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Probably capable of doing it under two minutes thirty seconds

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Which would mean now it's definitely between her or Danielle for one minute thirty seven

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Do we think that maybe being bigger was a disadvantage?

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it looked like you know for Frankie and for Brittany

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: That they had the best times on this it seemed like they Xavier struggled being a bigger guy

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's possible. It's it's tough to know. I've never been in a hamster wheel before

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_03]: But for my perspective, I think the reason Xavier took so long

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_03]: He said it in the diary room. He was like I'm gonna take this slow and steady

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_03]: He like intentionally went slow and careful

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_03]: I think my my guess would be if Xavier had two minutes thirty seconds on the clock

[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_03]: He would have gone faster. He probably also could have got it done

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_03]: But because he knew he had a decent amount of time. He just was like, let me just take this careful

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't make any mistakes

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_03]: It like even walking out. He's like at 15 seconds left. It's good like

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It felt to me like it wasn't necessarily that he was genuinely bad at it

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_03]: But more that he took an intentional strategy of taking it slower

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But then he did still feel like there's no way anybody else can do that

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. I maybe it's just because I've watched Josh and a lot of eliminations

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's the goof

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a this is a finesse challenge like yes, you had to get some inertia going that certainly was something that screwed

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Daniela

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_00]: She didn't figure out how to get the whole thing going but like Josh could and Xavier could certainly have that speed

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_00]: But that's not what the issue is and again

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_00]: That's where the challenge was well balanced because there had to be some sort of like

[00:19:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Dexterity involved and I would say that is not one of Josh's strong suits

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Also as someone that actually has been on a hamster wheel

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_05]: It

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_05]: There was uh, it's a st. Louis. Um, there's a museum in st. Louis that has like a human hamster wheel

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_05]: And like a ball pit

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Fun time would recommend but anyway the point is

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And that fell multiple times

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that you have to go so slow

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Or the momentum just kind of takes you especially for me a little like a short person

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Um, who's wait, you know king just get caught up in the wheel very quickly

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_05]: So

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that a josh

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_05]: From the challenge because me thinks josh has changed, you know, I see you josh. Hi

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_05]: But josh all of the challenge would have been bumbling and fumbling everywhere and he would have just been in a washing machine

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I agree. I think josh probably has some trouble

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_03]: but like I well, I guess the point that I was thinking of was like if i'm taylor in that moment

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't know if I can bank on that

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, and so like, you know given that britney could do it

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I can probably do it. Um, and I'd probably rather take my chance now than risk a minute 30 or even worse 30

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah now like can we just say like this is such a cool challenge

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is one of the best big brother challenges we've had in

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna say maybe five years or so

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And apparently it's the same team y'all like it might be smaller

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's still the regular big brother team. Yes. Okay. Well confusion

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait hold on. There's there's somebody at the the podcast door. Let me let me see who's who's here

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god

[00:21:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm back

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It's it's uh, it's dad x mess. Where's your hat?

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I left out the north pole. Sorry to make it into the carry on

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes

[00:21:18] guys

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Guys

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I I came on to this

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Just so I could speak why would you invite me back to give me no d.l.

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_02]: No time at all

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like just hire a fucking voice actor if you wanted someone to read a scroll you're mad about your screen time

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean the scroll reading?

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, why the hell did we come back into this house?

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_00]: You got to tickle the ivory for a little bit while you were waiting for everyone to run around Derek

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you just speak to the rumors the rumors are that

[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Jordan got fired as being the clue reader and then they brought you into replacer. Is that true?

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's not true. Jordan just had to go back to a north pole Christmas is coming up

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: She had a lot of presents. She had a pack of okay good good to know

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: She needed some lessons and reading. I don't know Derek. Did you have a lot of dialogue in the episode?

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they got cut it. Yes. Hold on

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_01]: He got he must have got a text. He must have a text. Yeah, hold on

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_01]: They're cutting him off. They never let Derek speak

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Santa's back

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't I can't right now Derek is on his phone

[00:22:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You might have to go out and come back in

[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god. Yes, like you can't you can't write this. Okay. Yeah, I think you're gonna have to turn it off and cut it

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Turn it back on

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Derek is very for they silence him always

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry. I'm trying so hard not to curse. I'm sorry that I was that uh, I hope you do

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I was multitasking a lot of different things right there that

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Derek X was texting me that he wanted to come on. I was trying to get in the way

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_00]: That was so good. I mean the pure irony that he comes on being like, I was there we go. Is he back?

[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Still still no audio get Claire's phone. Yeah

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, you might need you might need to take place. Give him a pad and paper Derek

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, hold hold it up say if

[00:23:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Uh the pure irony that this man comes on and in one breath is like they're not letting me talk enough

[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, what did you do?

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry about that. Okay. I'm now I'm crying. I'm crying so much. Yeah, um

[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That so daniel she gets in there. She's only got two minutes and 30 seconds. I kind of felt like that

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Daniel like we needed more urgency

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: From the two minutes and 30 seconds it took her like 30 seconds to start to warm up

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Especially considering, you know, they're showing us at the end there. She has nine seconds left

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And she basically has one move left

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh on the thing

[00:24:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I it was clearly not enough to finish

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But I would be surprised if she was like further away than like 10 seconds

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh to completing that. Um, and so like

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_03]: That 10 seconds might have been the walk up. It might have been they're like, uh, like not getting the thing moving right away

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's like, oh man

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Now could this be

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Some karma and not from taylor because let's look back on episode one

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_00]: when daniel says

[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_00]: At least it's better than katelyn. At least you're not choking on a time thing

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_01]: This was no, no, my dare you first of all, how dare you? Like uh,

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing with uh, katelyn

[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Get him rob. Get him. Yeah. This is no comparison

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, did daniel just have to go around the hamster wheel once in

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_05]: In a minute and a half and she couldn't do it. Is that what we're saying? Because that's not what happened

[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I forget how much time did katelyn have it was a roughly two or three minutes around the same kind of time

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we have we have derrick back. Let's let's try this again. Okay. He's back. Okay

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, derrick, let's let you say everything you have to say before they cut you off again before they cut your mic

[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, before yeah before pd comes to me and they say we told you you could not speak about production

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, okay. I just want to know why would you bring me back to read a scroll?

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was going to be fun. I thought we could like interact

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Like all of that stuff got cut out and there's a lot of really fun things about this episode that I am upset did not make it into the cut

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really know what I can say, but

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought there was the makings of like fantastic episode and it was a great episode

[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious. Did you got what'd you guys think? Um, well, we thought it was an incredible television now

[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Derek you were like you were in the backyard

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You were watching everything go down. Did you have any knowledge of the drama inside the house?

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I actually had no idea what was going on

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So I thought it was from my perspective

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_02]: The best part was when britney dropped to all fours and said she loved her kids

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was already carrying the episode well, hold on. Derek before before she said she loved her kids

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe she said

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey all of them

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You know that might have gotten flip-flopped from my perspective

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_02]: This is how it went down. Okay. This is almost literally how it went down

[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god drops the button runs up

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Clicks it looks at me

[00:26:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Did I?

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like britney, I think you just did it

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_02]: drops to all fours

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_02]: silent silent for two minutes

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_02]: looks up a camera

[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I love my kids

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That's when I lost it because I was like this is the funniest line of big brother i've ever seen

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_02]: She just pulled off the biggest upset in this comp and the first thing she said was she loves her kids

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I think she was like

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever that thing was that you know, I hate all of them. Uh, I believe actually she's it wasn't just I hate all of them

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_04]: I hate all of them

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_04]: They sent me to my death

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a christmas special

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I have never met I had never met britney before in real life

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And when she came out she was very downtrodden like she was clearly upset and now looking at the behind the scenes

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I can tell why like she thought she had no hope from my perspective

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought they were doing her a favor sending her in early

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh three minutes 30 on the line like britney gonna crush this

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_02]: She had given up basically before it even started

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And she finishes obviously crushes it. She has like a minute 30 left something like that

[00:28:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So she's crying and then at one point she like is going to the trees because she's like

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want production to see me crying, you know makes sense. Like I wouldn't want that either

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So she's in the trees. I like Rachel once upon a time

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure if that's what you say, I believe that

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm literally standing over there like an awkward elf because I'm like

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I've never really like met her before. I don't know if she wants me to comfort her

[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And I hear production over my earpiece and they're like

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You can go comfort her if you want

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, uh, I don't really know her

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if she like wants me to be there giving her a hug. So I ignore it

[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, let me just pretend like I didn't hear that one

[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And I hear it again. He's like you can go hug her if you want

[00:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Or no, you can go comfort her if you want

[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And I take the slowest step forward possible

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I hear you can go comfort her if you want you can go comfort her go go go go

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Go comfort her go comfort her. So now I'm sprinting. I'm running to the trees

[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, brinny! How are you doing? Are you okay?

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I'm so proud of you

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So I run up and Brittany's awesome. I honestly like

[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I love Brittany just like from these four interactions. I have a fellow amazing racer

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Now watching her on the show. She is absolutely caring the dr

[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I go up hug her and she's like, oh my god. I'm like so happy. I'm like, Brittany

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You crushed it. I'm so proud of you your kids are so proud of you

[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like and the best thing is you can go back into that house and nominate someone else. She's like, yeah

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't go get him

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I think she said in danielle when I was kind of like, okay. I feel like that's not what we talked about

[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_05]: One of us

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't not understand just from my perspective obviously, you know not seeing what's going on in the house

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_02]: No one's telling me anything

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I don't get this nomination order

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my there's so who are you expecting to come out?

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, okay, so let me back up

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I think one of the funniest things before all of this was the players come out into the backyard and they line up

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_02]: it's the seven of them

[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And production's like, okay now, Nicole. Uh, yeah, Nicole why Nicole you can choose the first person to nominate

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a long pause because production is like, okay, wait, hold on before you go

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: We just need to grab some like stills or whatever and

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Xavier's like, uh

[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Are we going to get time to pitch ourselves?

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Or are you guys going to give us an opportunity to

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_02]: To give give our spills no one says anything

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, okay. Well, I mean, I'll just do it. Nicole

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Nicole I meant everything I said inside that house and I'm watching and I'm like, oh, shit. This is good

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Like this is good shit right now

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, I

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Said everything that I met or I met everything I said in there and Nicole like I will play this game for you

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Blah blah blah blah blah blah and he's like, please just don't put me in first

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You can put me in second, but just don't put me in first

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, I feel like that's the opposite of what you wanted

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So then he she nominates Frankie

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Frankie does it and nominates X and X comes out here fuming. He's like, uh

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I knew it. I knew they were nominating me and I was like, I mean you kind of asked them to nominate you second

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, you got the thing that you wanted

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think the problem was when people saw the hamster wheel

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It just looks more daunting

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Than what it was

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I honestly, I think Danielle would have crushed it too. She had

[00:31:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like six

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_02]: She was probably five seconds away from completing it from my perspective

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Her ball was in the last part of the maze. She just had to rotate it one more time

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, it's it's hard to rotate it when you're crawling

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_02]: This is

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Wild I mean I like so I imagine everyone thought that

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Brittany was dead probably because it took 15 minutes between her completing the maze

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Sitting there in stark silence running over to the bushes you standing there not knowing how to make a first impression

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And then eventually being the shoulder to cry on I literally felt like I had to walk over introduce myself and then say good job

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That's where I felt like our relationship was at

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_02]: When I walked into the big brother house actually the first thing I said to Brittany was

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Hi, by the way, I also played big brother. It's like I just did not think she knew who I was

[00:32:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, she didn't know x1 your season so it checks out. Oh, yeah, that's true. That's true

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe she thought you won

[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I should have I should have just lied and been like, yeah, I was on bb 25. I'm the most recent. I'm the only

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Chinese winner in the history of big brother

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Now how long would it have taken you to do the hamster wheel? Could you have done it?

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I I'd say Frankie is probably like the average time

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I think what Frankie did that is probably what the average person would have done

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like two minutes like 19 seconds something like that

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I I think if everyone if people like were able to like stay calm and just like focus on the maze

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he made a couple mistakes

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But he saw the pattern and he tried to trace it

[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_02]: The ball dropped a couple times and then he got it. Obviously if I went in I do it in like 30 seconds

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, I'm I'm saying the average

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_02]: The average homo sapiens with average muscular strength and endurance could probably do it in two minutes 19 seconds

[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Did what the hell was X doing? Was he really like that makes it do it?

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, why did X Xavier take so long?

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh not this X was doing okay. This was X was doing really good at first

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I think

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he was probably on for the first 50% of that maze. He did it faster than what Frankie did

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But then there was just this like

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_02]: One portion in the middle where you essentially had to move the ball

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_02]: 180 across the maze but there was pitfalls along that route and that tripped up Xavier

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and I think he

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It almost like his muscles wore his detriment. I think he tried running too fast

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And it like kind of fumbled up the maze a little bit

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Derek can you talk about working with the Christmas crooner?

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_02]: What was that magical experience like well, I don't know if you guys could tell this but that was live singing

[00:34:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're like no we we could tell that was live

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we knew that was not recorded we got well honestly

[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I saw that you said like well the big brother houses comes with like this baby grand piano

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I really thought that you were going to start to play for them

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And what in one million dollars back in earlier that last year?

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean there was a lot of bits. I was trying to get in there

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But they just didn't love my commuter humor

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to convince people that it was ariana grande coming in which I see now

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You know that probably was a was a was a stretch

[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Be so budget coming out of a strike

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I also wanted to mention that I was coming out of a sag strike that was obviously

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so a little bit of behind the scenes on the crooner

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_02]: All right before you go into the house obviously you put up hair makeup costume all that stuff

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So me and the crooner are sharing a makeup room

[00:35:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And what I gotta say is this guy method actor you would have thought he was actually drunk

[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he was upset at his girlfriend before going into the house. He was pacing in the room

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_02]: He was like

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And then she's like on the fifth day of christmas. I'm like, yo

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know what his role was yet and this guy just pacing back and forth. He's like

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Damn christmas. I'm like, do we need a

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Are we testing people? Like is he supposed to be here?

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, do I need to call HR?

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Did you think you were being punked?

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh

[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean watching the show. I feel like I did get punked

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You guys didn't want an elf. You wanted

[00:36:25] [SPEAKER_02]: a

[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_02]: College level meter

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god, not a college level meter

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I did every harry potter novel and can read a scroll at 120 words a minute

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that is the bar to get this job

[00:36:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Did you would do you get any sort of like forewarning from production being like no just so you know

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_00]: We want you to read it in this particular way. Was there any feedback you came in with already?

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That is that is my final complaint amazing. Obviously, you know amazing production

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Please let that be the part of this that you guys clip

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_02]: On top of that

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_02]: They do not give you any instructions. Yeah

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a voice actor. I'm not an actor. I do reality tv. So I was like, what the fuck do I do at one point?

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: This is really funny. I tried doing a jeff probst impression. They hated that

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they hated that what was your jeff probst impression because you've played him in tennis recently

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like Xavier his every piece falling down starting from square zero

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Will he be able to make up this deficit? It looks like a tight call

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_02]: At uh josh martinez putting up another piece another piece josh martinez finishes his fourth row

[00:37:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Moving on to the fifth row franke all this piece is coming down everyone starting from square zero

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And i'm saying this I said maybe

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_02]: five

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Five words and over my earcum stop that

[00:37:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Derek, please. Please don't please don't say that

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Derek. Uh, hey, Derek. We don't want to give away the position of the game

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Please don't say that so they they did not like the jeff probst thing. They were not about it

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_04]: That's not what they do on big brother

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to throw in a little jeff probst flair every second of the show like when I was like come on in everyone

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, uh, when dinelle lost is like dinelle. I got nothing for you except a president inside of that room

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, uh, let's do one more take

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why i'm upset. I was like I was giving this

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I was my first take was always the best take. Yeah, because

[00:38:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Right Derek, what about when you were a

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Clue giver on the amazing race? Did they give you that kind of feedback as well?

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, clue giver on the amazing race

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Not it was kind of the same vibe. They were just like go out there

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Not gonna tell you what to wear not gonna tell you what to do not gonna tell you what to say

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But this will be on national television if you embarrass yourself, it will be it'll look bad for you

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, cool. Yeah, I I totally appreciate all that help and support that you guys are giving us now

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, you say that you're not told what to wear

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I gotta ask about the outfit though because I mean where it well would be putting an understatement to it

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I have a whole story as long as Santa scroll to read about that outfit. So

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, this is how it starts

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You know before that all right, hold on. Let me uh, pre-pre read all of this and make sure it's uh, sanitized

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Sanitized. Yeah

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I feel like yeah, I feel like this is probably fine. So

[00:39:27] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, here's the outfit

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I get the call they're like, hey Derek

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a new big brother legend show going down down by holy shit. They really think i'm a legend

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I'll take it. I'll totally take it. They're like, would you be interested? I'm like, oh, yeah

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_02]: For sure in two weeks. I'm like, this is fantastic. It's like we only need you for like three or four days of filming though

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, okay, that that sounds a little weird

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean if you think I'm only gonna last three or four days like that's fine

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I get it and they're like, okay

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So you would be an elf and I'm like, all right back up

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right now

[00:40:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, oh, I'm sorry. You thought you were playing in the show

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, no, no, no, of course not

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Allison that would be crazy. No, I did not think I was playing

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_02]: At all

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So they tell me about the elf costume and I'm already thinking like oh, they're gonna do me. He's like so dirty in this costume

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm texting Tiffany

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Tiff did you go in for your outfit fitting yet? She's like, oh, I just had it yesterday Derek

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It was so good. Like I met with the wardrobe department. It was all custom. She asked me what I liked

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I said, I want my girls to hang out. I want like a short

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, sorry. I actually don't want it

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_01]: The sanitized version. Yeah. Yeah, my bad. My bad. My bad

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Christmas is kind of new song coming up basically

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's say it's Jordan. All right. Let's say it's Jordan. I call Jordan

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, I want like a long dress and this is true. Jordan also said this

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, I want like a long dress and like I want me to be cinched. I want to look good

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, oh, yeah, I got you Jordan. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What else do you want?

[00:41:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you want Louboutin shoes? I got you Louboutin shoes. You want a Gucci scarf?

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I got you the Gucci scarf and I'm like, okay

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're just gonna give me what I want. So I go in

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm excited. I'm like, oh shit like I was like, I want to look like uh, like ryan rendles as an elf

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Like imagine ryan rendles like what would he be wearing? Give me that like I want to look suave

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to look cool. I'm like I'm back on tv like I want to be impressed

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_02]: They were not bringing that they do not care about the male elves

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not right. That is my number one petition is for equality within the elf universe

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So I walk into the room and I have this whole list of things that I want and she's like, oh my god

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Derek, I'm so excited to see you. I've been working on this outfit for three months and I was like, oh

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, awesome. That sounds incredible. Like what is it?

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_02]: already

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_02]: whole thing made

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Design turns her laptop shows it to me exactly what you guys saw on tv and I look at it. I'm like

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay caprice knee-high socks

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay hat pocket chain

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm quiet all right. Um

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_02]: This this looks this looks pretty good. I

[00:42:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of wanted like

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Like a little bit

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Different from this. She's like, oh like different how I'm like maybe just like a little cooler

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, oh wait. No, no, it's gonna be cooler. So like right now north ball

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: She's like that's just the chain, but I'm gonna make it a uh a pocket chain

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. That's I was really concerned about that part

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you. Yeah, so I was just too much of a pushover. Well, so I felt bad

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_02]: She said she'd already made it so I was like, all right

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go with it. You have a good point though because Derek then the publicity photos came out and it seemed like that you were

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Getting bullied online. I saw Joseph was tweeting about it

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_02]: 100 trust me. I'm adding to the naughty list every day. I'm like noted noted

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Big guys not gonna like that one. Joseph would have gotten 30 seconds on the wheel for sure from you

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_02]: George. Oh, yeah, yeah, Joseph for sure

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the first person I'm sending

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna make them run last in there

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You think those muscles are real? No, that's all

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Derek from your perspective, uh, how, uh gutted were you watching Danielle ultimately

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Not get the job done in the time. So Danielle, I met a couple times in person. She's someone I really like

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I I felt especially upset because

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I from my perspective she

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_02]: She was so close like genuinely. I mean even from the episode you can kind of tell she was like downtrodden going into there

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_02]: She like pressed the button

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_02]: weighted

[00:43:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Walked

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Went on to the wheel laid around a little bit. I was like Danielle like you got this like do not give up

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And she was so close at the end, but

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I swear like she had to be like 10 seconds away from completing that

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You know

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I I definitely wasn't crying the way to hell. It's guess where I was like gosh. Why are you crying?

[00:44:10] [SPEAKER_02]: What is what are the dynamics inside of this house?

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Were you asked to comfort anybody else after Danielle was eliminated?

[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, no, no, no, no, it was just it was just though

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Danielle Danielle got eliminated and they were like you can go back to north pole now

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Derek could you give your perspective from watching the episode tonight?

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, what do you feel like happened with x and britney when she asked him?

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, why who told you to put me into the thing?

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, you know, you've robbed come on. You know, this is where I have to log off. You can't ask me a strategy

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay

[00:44:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It's from as a viewer

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me see. Let me see if claire texts me any uh answers that I can say what did claire think about that?

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So she asked she asked x and did x like out

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: His relationship with Danielle is that kind of what went down? That was my perspective on it

[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But I might have been reading between the lines

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_03]: That seems to be what they showed. Yeah that he was like, well, I put you in to protect Danielle

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_03]: And she was wondering why did he put me in?

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_02]: This is what I'll say like

[00:45:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Even from like the production standpoint they kept saying like this show

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_02]: The editing all that feels like a double double eviction

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And during that time you basically have a couple minutes to make that decision

[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So they do a good job editing it so it feels like more time

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know if x said that knowing that Danielle would get put in or just with the time crunch

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he is a bartender after all like

[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I don't know if like if it was like a slip up or was intentional

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Of what he was trying to do with that statement. Yeah

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_03]: You mentioned that you you felt like uh the episode could have been even even better

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Were there any like specific moments that you thought were missing?

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_00]: um

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_00]: The lid's off the present now Derek you might as well spill

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean it's just like selfish moments for me like I basically what I want from them

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Send me the raw footage. That's all I want. Yeah for real at least right

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, send send me the raw footage and just cut everyone out of it

[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And I just want to see you know like what was I given?

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how about you playing the piano because I was kind of surprised that they were letting you

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Just jam while everybody was talking because I feel like it kind of screws up the sound of everybody else uh talking so

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_02]: They were happy for me to just play piano because when I wasn't playing I started talking and that was a real problem

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, xade you're getting close to the board like stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Don't don't say who's getting close

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_02]: We're what how

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You are too

[00:46:50] [SPEAKER_02]: There's not to figure out the l in the c are backwards

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_00]: How long did it take before you were assumingly prompted with the hint of like tell them about the colors?

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're getting it

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_02]: uh

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe like 10 minutes. Oh, okay

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I think the whole thing, you know, what 20 20 maybe okay

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it was intense. There was a lot of running up and down the stairs

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of me

[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Announcing people were running up and downstairs

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_01]: How many songs did you play on the piano?

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_02]: well, uh

[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_01]: How many songs did I or could I yeah? Well, I'm sure that they it was like a public domain

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Look here's the songs you're allowed to play

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_02]: They wanted me to play flag the bumblebee. I don't know if you guys know that's like

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Not really a christmas song

[00:47:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Perfect holiday song

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Well good competition music. Yeah

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So they wanted me to play that one. I was like, okay, I'm not Mozart you guys

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You know

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you literally just picked up a random kid from bb-23 walk in

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't even know I play piano and I started playing doing like wait, you can play piano

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_05]: like oh

[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I was

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Like yeah, I won a million dollars doing like yeah, yeah, definitely play piano. That's good. That's good

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_02]: The bit that they wanted to do was like

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_02]: They wanted when someone was like intensely running for me to play like the flag the mullet

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And when people were struggling it's supposed to be like a slow serenade. Yeah, what are you john williams? Like come on

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_02]: This is all shaper. I was like i'm gonna get tipped like what's my incentive here

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like i'm working harder harder than a sag actor has to do here

[00:48:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Like this is why we went on strike you guys are asking too much

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, well uh derrick with these stories were incredible from the big brother house

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't imagine why they would want to cut anything you have to say with a teaser for next time is I think next episode

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Will be my 15 seconds of fame

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It could be my big debut or they could literally just not show me again. So it's 50 50

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_02]: However, they want to flip that coin

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_03]: This is why you need live feeds derrick. We would have been able to see it all

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_02]: well

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I probably you know from my perspective. I was like, oh, i'm killing this

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_02]: They're probably looking at footage like damn derrick was really was not giving us much to work with

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like let's just have him read the scroll

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh bad maybe the one of the few bad production choices they've made on reindeer game so far

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic show right? We really loved it so far much fun

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think it only gets better like from my perspective. Okay, or at least it stays good

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay if they do reindeer games too, would you uh compete next season?

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I would love to

[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I think reindeer games

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like he's gonna be like a recurring thing but

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_02]: you know

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_02]: If they don't put me in if they're not even gonna edit in my elf commentary

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Who knows what they're gonna do the crazy people over there

[00:49:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do they feel like you have an in that you're too much involved in the behind the scenes with the

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Santa and the elves that they feel like you have too much insider knowledge

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so if the players are watching this they're gonna be like, oh derrick was even there

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, i'm gonna tell them. I was like, yeah man. I just walked in read the scroll walked out

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it only took me two hours to read the scroll and I was done

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well derrick, uh, thank you for making some time to pop on with us

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_01]: This was this was such a treat tonight to hear your perspective on everything

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I could ask some joy to your holidays. Yeah anything you want people to check out

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Monday's episode. Yes, let me know if it's better if I do better. Okay. All right. Well, derrick all the best to you and claire

[00:50:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, come back anytime. All right. Okay. Thank you. It was great chatting with you guys

[00:50:45] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. Take care derrick. All right. The great derrick x. Okay. Oh wait. Look at this

[00:50:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, god, what a one is hot right now? Oh anything I want to plug. Yeah, there's something I want to plug

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Is julie worried are you coming for her job as an elv?

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_02]: This is my olive tree. This is my candy cane. We're we're good. Okay

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, july channeled handshake. All right

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Take care. Okay. Okay. Bye. Bye, derrick. Bye

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_00]: One of the greats my devastation from about an hour ago has been lifted. It's what we needed

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_00]: It's what we needed the podcast. We're done. Wow. Thanks for listening everyone

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Somebody cast that man. He says he's not an actor. I call bs. Do you see that reenactment of him in britney?

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why he's in sag mic. I think we need a late entry into

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Best podcasts of the year. Oh incredible. It's incredible

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, who know thought derrick x was the biggest menonist elf that existed out there

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Justice for the men men elf

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Not on my watch

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's try to get back to our reindeer games recap. Uh, you know, uh, we

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's get back to the serious reindeer game

[00:52:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well at least we got it

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Talks about like the reason why the naughty or nice competition is important is because it's the only thing that gives you an advantage in the

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_03]: jingle bell brawl

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_00]: This is why they had to bring in former house kids

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_00]: It's because like they are used especially the modern ones to having such a straight face with saying the most ridiculous syntax in human history

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Well

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's let's just uh in the beginning of the episode, you know

[00:52:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And the nice thing taren about the we're not used to like these big brother episodes

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Like having like a beginning middle and end as part of like the story and so it is like these reindeer games episodes are a little bit

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_01]: More like a survivor episode and in the opening we had like okay

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Xavier and danielle are talking and you know, uh that they're talking a little bit about how they're sort of watching each other's back

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we see britney and nicole talking about how hey

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that danielle is protecting?

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Xavier and they think that maybe danielle is scheming a little bit with x and they feel like that they need to take a shot at danielle

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_01]: so how much of this like ultimately was like a

[00:53:15] [SPEAKER_01]: objective from the perspective of

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_03]: britney and nicole

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's it's really interesting because again like from the first two episodes

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_03]: It felt like it was taylor and and Xavier and that they were kind of getting outed as a bit of a duo

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_03]: and uh and yet

[00:53:31] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's danielle that seems to get in trouble for uh being too

[00:53:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously associated with Xavier and so from i think britney and nicole's perspective from like the women's alliance

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_03]: They felt like oh danielle is trying to do too much. She's trying to step outside of the women's alliance

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_03]: She's trying to pull an Xavier

[00:53:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And so uh, and so i think that definitely got her on the radar

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I think if that hadn't been in den in britney's head

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that Xavier saying that

[00:54:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Would have impacted anything, you know anything?

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that she was already starting to get worried and suspicious

[00:54:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Then she asks like frankie and he's like i think it might have been danielle and then Xavier comes in and he says

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, i was protecting danielle and i think at that point. She's like okay danielle is definitely trying something here

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh and in the heat of the moment. It's like, uh, okay

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I think it just makes sense to put danielle in

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Because that we saw where at the you know to jump back ahead to the end

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so britney comes back into the house and she has a moment with taylor and taylor says okay put put me in

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_01]: But then Xavier says he gives up danielle's name

[00:54:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Do we think that this was just like okay in the heat of the moment?

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_01]: She's so angry with Xavier for putting her in that she just hears

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_01]: danielle's name and then goes for danielle or

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Was this like part of the plan all along to try to get danielle out?

[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it was her now

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, i don't know that it was like

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_03]: her plan

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You know coming in i think that uh, i think that she was blindsided by Xavier

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh putting i mean not blindsided but like she was like thrown into chaos from Xavier putting her in

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_03]: She thinks she's gone as uh as Derek even told you like and you could tell in the diroom

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_03]: She's like i didn't even think i was gonna have a chance i was just gonna try

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and then all of a sudden she has to start thinking about it again. She probably hasn't thought about it at all yet

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I don't think she ever planned to go in at all. So I don't think she had a plan at all definitely

[00:55:38] [SPEAKER_03]: um and uh and then I do think she's probably

[00:55:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Feeling okay. It's probably

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Danielle because i've been a little suspicious or josh

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Um and but i'll talk to taylor first and get her thoughts

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_03]: And give her the option if she wants to go in

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that was the person that she was probably like the the

[00:55:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Who she's gonna confide in the most? Um, and then

[00:56:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Taylor gives her the out. It's like okay. I guess I could do taylor

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't really she's probably the last person

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to put put in there and put in danger

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But if she's willing then maybe that's the best call

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_03]: But then she's still just like but what about Xavier?

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_03]: He just took a shot at me and she hears danielle's name

[00:56:17] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like I'd rather put danielle at risk than than taylor and again all of that happening

[00:56:23] [SPEAKER_03]: In the same moment and I think it makes a lot of sense

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, also remember during the first stage of things the frankie side of things brittany went to him and said put danielle in

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_00]: And i'm having trouble figuring out because that's you know only what 330 there was 4 30

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I think at that point so it still was a good amount of time

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Was this what frankie attempted to do with Xavier of like i'm throwing you a bone and getting you out of the way early

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Or was that her to that point of okay?

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Was she intending to take the shot all the time her really trying to like get that done right now?

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I I wouldn't be surprised if if she had more time to think about it. She still would have done the same thing

[00:57:04] [SPEAKER_03]: um

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But I but it like I think that it almost didn't happen because of the time crunch would be my guess

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_03]: That like she was thinking about it

[00:57:12] [SPEAKER_03]: But in the moment having to make that betrayal right in front of danielle's face right away

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_03]: She needed some kind of reason and if she didn't get that reason and taylor gives her an out

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that she does it

[00:57:25] [SPEAKER_03]: But because she did get the reason she was like, okay

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_03]: This is this is what I was kind of thinking anyway even before the challenge that i'm worried about her

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And and I and I made a deal with josh earlier

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know it makes sense to not put him into like I keep everyone happy danielle goes like it makes sense

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and it weakens the person who just took a shot at me

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_03]: In xavier since he's so tight with danielle, uh, and if she's gone then now I feel good with everyone

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It was just such a perfect competition to have in this format of this like very short season and this competition that really forced all these moves

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_01]: to be made with like urgency and in a short amount of time and so I mean

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_01]: As far as television goes like this is just so much better than we ever

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Expected or deserved

[00:58:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know what it is

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_00]: What this reminded me so much of because to sachet's point like it's the same team working on it

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_00]: but it reminds me of like a movie studio

[00:58:25] [SPEAKER_00]: And there's the big budget tentpole summer blockbuster that they want to put out

[00:58:29] [SPEAKER_00]: But because they want to satiate the masses. They're like putting in the most

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Blase, you know, uh generic writing characterization action scenes possible

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you're like, okay, we have some budget left over here's this like little arthouse indie pick that, you know

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's really good at probably watch so like

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll throw some people on that let them do whatever they want to with it

[00:58:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's really gonna pay attention to it and like lo and behold

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It shows some of the most creativity the show has seen in a number of years

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I was gonna say the cast is the reason I was tuning in in the first place, right?

[00:59:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Like I'm not watching if it's a bunch of no again not no shade to anyone but like

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Cam adjacent people like I'm gonna be like, okay. Does R.H.T.P. want me to podcast and I'll watch it

[00:59:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Otherwise like I'm cool on it

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_05]: uh

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_05]: But I want to see these people play

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's why I'm willing to let go of the life feed aspects of it all because I need all of these

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Personalities to grace my life again. So I think it's I'm just grateful that somehow

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_05]: they pulled out equitable competitions out of it and

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_05]: My question to big brothers will you learn your lesson?

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Will you understand that equitable comps? No twists make a better big brother season

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Will that get it through your head?

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I do one go ahead Taryn. No, I mean I will say

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I I think the one flaw for me in this episode was like the classic

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_03]: The episode length spoils the results. Um, oh

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Gotta watch it on streaming

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Right like if you're and because it's not going to be a problem for everyone because you can watch it

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Streaming you cannot look at the clock if you want to but like

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_03]: If you are unfortunate enough to look at the clock and see that you have 30 minutes left when britney goes you're like

[01:00:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know she's good. Yeah, see I think the britney

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was and chappelle was tweeting about this like britney. I think starts around like

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: 9 12 so it was like oh they could melt this or like maybe there could be time for like one more person to go

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that there was like but by the time Daniel goes no shot britney didn't make it

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree. I was like be for real stand up everyone. Yeah, but by the time daniel goes there's no chair

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Daniel's

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_03]: The only hope was if they cliffhanger. Yeah, it would have been very exciting. Yeah

[01:01:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or when we when we hit the um, you know, nicole winning basically halfway through the episode

[01:01:05] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought okay, are we cramming two rounds into one episode because we do have three episodes left

[01:01:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And they need to get down to four by the final episode so there might be some like schedule jiggering happening there

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I well, I guess my point though is that like

[01:01:20] [SPEAKER_03]: imagine

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Because because the the players hyped this up. They were like this is the most exciting dramatic

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_03]: episode in the history of the show

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_03]: And from their perspective, I think they're a hundred percent like close to correct

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that must have been so intense and it was good

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It was intense

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_03]: But we didn't get to experience it like they did where it really did feel like life or death every single time

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe some people did if they didn't look at the clock

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_03]: but like

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Just imagine what this could have been like if we were watching the live feeds of this

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And we were watching them scheme through every round

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_03]: We were waiting with them for the the bell or the laugh to come through when britney goes out there like

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_03]: That could have the what could have been is even better than what we got

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_03]: And what we got was really good. Yeah

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_01]: um

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_01]: That would also imply that the live feeds were on during a competition. So I don't know

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, I mean it wouldn't show the competition. It's just in the house. Just in the house

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, I mean what I think is so fun about this as well is

[01:02:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Look at someone like Nicole Frenzel who is like the most, you know storied

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Experience big brother house guests in the show's history up to this point. They're all thrown into this brand new game

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I think that was what was also so fun about this

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like they're all good at social strategy to certain extents and now it's like, okay. Here's something completely new

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_00]: It's again the appeal of bringing on these reality stars into a show like the traders where it's like

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it really apples and oranges where now they think they know how to play big brother?

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_00]: But like it's a completely different skill set now of like as Derek mentioned

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_00]: It's that double eviction hurry up four times in a row

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that part of the reason why they've got these competitions that have been the more equitable

[01:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And fair and interesting competitions is that I think that the competitions are really what they are having to rely on to

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Drive the drama on the show because they're not living in the house 24 7 and there's not going to be these personality

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Conflicts of living in the house

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like you have to have these competitions that all involve sort of like sabotaging each other

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And like putting targets on each other's backs and I think that because that's how the challenges have to be made

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that then that drama spills over into the time that we have the social strategy segments in the house

[01:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's just a really good fit for this very short format

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I'm just like like who came up with this because

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It may make list maybe it was just a fluke but like

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_03]: The the the planning that you need the kind of game design that you need to have the level of game design

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_03]: You need to have to come up with something like this

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Far surpasses any twist the show has introduced in at least the last like 15 to maybe 20 years

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Like maybe ever like because

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_03]: This wasn't easily gameable. Yeah, it was a game of sabotage

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_03]: It was a game of allies trust lying betrayal that was also not gameable by a majority

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Because you could say oh, yeah, you could just have them all go first

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_03]: But you didn't know that being first was good until you went

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and then even then it still you were still tricked into thinking it might still not be good

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't know what the the correct path forward is

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And so it leads to this situation where it is a back and forth and it is still equitable even within the social

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Confines that it was played in. Yeah, well, you know, well, you know what this is

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_00]: This is big brother of the genius

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think we realized it

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_01]: At this point, yeah

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Um, great call and I think that really what we're sort of like getting to in like talking all this through

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Like the reason the things that maybe like why big brother is the way it is

[01:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Is because big brother shouldn't be a hundred days or 80 days like

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Big brother should be like two weeks

[01:05:14] [SPEAKER_05]: But I don't think it matters like the

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_05]: The amount of time I think competitions being equitable is like the most basic ask of any show ever

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Right like or even that back in the day

[01:05:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Remember the challenge when they were digging around in the damn sand

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_05]: To like find, you know, they're like that was the challenge

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_05]: So I just feel that when did we start rely stop relying on the cast and start relying on everything else

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Like that's where big brother like are you not embarrassed like get it together

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I think that the part of the issue here is this so you have this like social strategy challenge

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: That's like taking a long time. It's like well, we got to show the rest of what happened in the house this week

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, we can't have these challenges

[01:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that they take up a couple segments

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know if you have all this strategy and it spills over into the other stuff

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe this is like, you know overthinking it

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But like, you know, you got a lot of stuff to get to fit into an episode

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_03]: If if I have to come up with a theory, I think my theory would be

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_03]: um

[01:06:15] [SPEAKER_03]: They've been doing big brother for over 20 years the regular show

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And this was more of a passion project of like, hey, it's a short little thing. Let's actually put this is like in a fair

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_03]: This is like what?

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is this is the hot new fling. Yeah, the side piece

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_03]: That they're putting effort into whereas, you know, the the partner at home, uh, they're neglecting, uh

[01:06:41] [SPEAKER_03]: This is like the second wife, right?

[01:06:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I know a certain host that might have

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_05]: No, we're so toxic because look at us. We're like, oh, she did me dirty

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_05]: She's been doing me dirty for 25 seasons

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_05]: But guess what they they breadcrumby for two weeks and I'm back new on this

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is like this is like your

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_05]: We get the abusive relationship not big brother

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_05]: A rebound show

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_05]: As you're juggling poop

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_05]: How many seasons and we're here with our clown makeup on baby every time

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I deserve this. Okay. I deserve this and you know what? I think big you are giving big brother too much credit

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Teran, I think they be on vibes only and thankfully there's some strategy

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And that is why it has taken us through because why you cast campren?

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I think no, I think it's that like uh, you like your partner starts like working out they get a haircut

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_03]: They start like applying themselves more. You're like, this is great

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_03]: But they're really just doing it for their side show the reindeer games. Yeah, and then you call them and you're like what happened

[01:07:47] [SPEAKER_00]: They said oh, you're too linky. You're like, all right. Well, I get it

[01:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, well let's bring in the christmas crooner, uh because uh,

[01:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Mike I could not get my head around why the cranky carolers uh from last night

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Or two nights ago. We're not cranky. Was it just that they like, oh, we got the christmas crooner thing coming in

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_00]: So let's not we don't want to repeat ourselves too much. Well first off. Let me say i'm very glad daniel durstin's getting work

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: But I I think that the the christmas crooner. I loved him

[01:08:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm obsessed with him even more so that apparently this man is the daniel tate louis a big brother day players

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow, that is not the daniel. I thought you were gonna say and I was like

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I love that like because the thing about the 12 days of christmas and why the song

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Stucks is one of the worst songs that's never been created is that it's so long

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And so I love that it slowly became like because I thought initially they had to remember the

[01:08:42] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought so too

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we did quiz about it and then it just became an instrument of torture and watching a one-man show

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_00]: That's different like a prissers for yeah

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I think my favorite line of the entire night. It was very short very subtle

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Was britney in this clip our crest ball and crooner has no clue why he was dumb

[01:09:03] [SPEAKER_04]: well

[01:09:08] [SPEAKER_05]: No, because why did this man show up and he said taylor swift and

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Drake i'm in your bag right because he really said you think you're gonna like drake right known for voicemails in phones

[01:09:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Stop this right. He said no i'm gonna one up you taylor swift is the hottest thing. No baby christmas

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Corner

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

[01:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what I would have done breakup hits too

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think the thing is that if like I had to be given the assignment of like, okay

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Why did she break up with him? I would have immediately grabbed the phone and said the fedora. It's the fedora

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not even looking at the letters. I know exactly what it is

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_05]: No, that's what's his name's um client

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_05]: His

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Taylor had a good tweet also about like that he even had five ghosted dates. How do you have five ghosted dates with the same person?

[01:10:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean guys you can bread crumb. Well look at us with big brother

[01:10:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, big brother has done much worse to us than what this lady did

[01:10:19] [SPEAKER_05]: To this poor man. Thank you. Yeah

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: um, but I loved it between dj scruji and the christmas schrooner, uh, I was all for it

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_01]: No, the cranky carolers. I didn't like uh, because they were normal carolers

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't seem cranky at all

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_00]: I

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I completely agree 100% like were they cranky because they were eating sheet music

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_00]: That's the only thing I could think of because there was so much paper missing from that

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm obsessed with the avengers of the reindeer games universe that we are slowly assembling this group and the final episode is gonna be like

[01:10:55] [SPEAKER_00]: You must get past the trial of dj scruji and then play face the christmas crooner once more it is

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's just so wild that this this is what we expected it to be

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And then everything else is completely unexpected. That's the expect. Yeah, I love it so much. Yeah, okay

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So all right, we got through the christmas crooner and then ultimately uh, taylor gets the power

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And she's gonna get a two minute head start

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: We get the sabotage and the sabotage

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Where codie's like was kind of powerful, but it ended up kind of screwing him over

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Taylor is afraid to like really make an enemy josh says hey give it to me

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_03]: What what an episode for taylor, uh, she has both Xavier and josh falling over themselves

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_03]: To eat the disadvantage so that she doesn't have to make an enemy

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and in the same episode

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_03]: She gets called something

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And she's a girl

[01:12:02] [SPEAKER_00]: She's a girls girl redemption whole circle

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_03]: She's a boys girls like the boys girls instead of like

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Stop this. Why did you bring that whole circle moment?

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Taylor is officially a girls girl

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_05]: She been a girls girls people doubted my girl. Okay. The thing is taylor

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I have now hitched my wagon completely to taylor

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_05]: And I she finally won you over sasha

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Always been together you and kory in the same boat

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Me kory and codie me and the two c's. I love us. Yeah, it took a minute, but now you see the appeal

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Stop this right now

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Why are you trying to get me?

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Think that this podcast would be more shrewd than the actual episode itself, but we got a good

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, come on be a girls girl sasha. No, look at me with my pick me energy with all these guys

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I tarot kegs

[01:13:11] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so uh, we had tiny veto here tonight

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess the first real repeat challenge uh from big brother. I guess technically I guess maybe one of like the

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_01]: For like the like the up on the house top, uh kind of a throwback

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_01]: But this was a real normal big brother challenge that we got

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just harder, um

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_03]: with the puzzle aspect

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_03]: A very funny moment when nicole thinks she's won. Yeah

[01:13:40] [SPEAKER_03]: But but yeah the the advantage and disadvantage meant nothing

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_03]: It was two a two minute head start in a five minute. You can't look at the thing

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_03]: The the puzzle it took them like over an hour and a half

[01:13:50] like

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what do you what do you think about adding this sort of like puzzle-like element?

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you're stacking cans usually and I feel like it had to follow a specific pattern anyway

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if it's that different but this one was very much

[01:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: You must follow the picture in addition to accomplishing such a hard task. Yeah

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little over the tiny veto. I feel like that the first time they did it and davon got it and then

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Davon had the little tiny veto like I thought it was cute, but um, I'm a little bit bored with tiny veto

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I like I thought it was fine. It's just it's just another like good

[01:14:26] [SPEAKER_03]: equitable comp

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I still think it's like it's pretty pretty fun to I like that it didn't feel like it overstated it's welcome

[01:14:32] [SPEAKER_03]: even though it took so long

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Because like, you know, you're watching them go and it's like oh this might actually happen and then frankie's thing falls

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_03]: And oh nicole won except she didn't

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_03]: So I actually I enjoyed it. I thought it was good. Yeah, okay

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it would be the gaps in nicole's

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_05]: piece that was the issue

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, this is vibes only that you have to leave room for jesus everyone

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, nicole's was sort of like when you play jenga and it's like uh, like uh, there's no way that that's still up there and

[01:15:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Somehow like they said okay good enough

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Now here's my my main issue with this

[01:15:12] [SPEAKER_00]: the narrative

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_00]: We have had since big brother 22

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_00]: The schlockiest moments of every season which is like oh for some reason something got shrunk and you've got to do it

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure why they had to build the tiniest gingerbread man, but come on

[01:15:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean maybe the christmas crooner like soaked up all the sag money they had and wanted some more of that acting

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_00]: I know we miss kody saying oh where'd they go all right might give it to give us the pitch here

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I mean I think it's gotta be something about how uh, there's probably like a tiny people's

[01:15:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Located that santa decided to shrink down the gingerbread. Matt Damon be a guest host

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: The elf on the shelf is like little miniature eyes and like you had the elf right there like okay

[01:15:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, if we're gonna get to santa's workshop, we got to shrink down the elf size

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_05]: We miss out on derrick's a miniature acting. He could have been like

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm tiny

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Sasha that was also on the cutting room floor

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Tiny elf jeff jeff probes. I love it

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, Derek call back and tell us if they cut out is you shrinking

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_05]: We're even Nicole's house

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so then all right, Nicole franzel has the power and she has to decide all right. What's the move here?

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah

[01:16:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think she I this is interesting because obviously if you want to keep frankie safe the move is to pick him first

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_03]: But by picking frankie first if it like does that expose you as being close to frankie

[01:16:49] [SPEAKER_03]: If so and he's a big target for everyone else in the house

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Are you gonna be the one put next to him in a showdown?

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_03]: If that's the case now, I think that given how this game is played out

[01:17:00] [SPEAKER_03]: We're seeing that that's not really how it goes. There were three people last time

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It was just one person at a time this time

[01:17:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So like keeping him safe is probably the call

[01:17:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But then also, you know, there's seven people left and after this there'll be six people left

[01:17:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want frankie still in the game at this point when you will eventually probably have to beat him at something?

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And so there's a lot of different like angles that you can look at this from

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_03]: And and ultimately I think choosing him makes a lot of sense. You can say oh, I was putting him at risk

[01:17:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I was targeting him to the women and to him it was I was keeping you safe

[01:17:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And and you kind of get to maintain a good amount of like neutrality overall

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just I think that the lesson in this and likes uh is

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: You go early like don't just wait for somebody to like just like okay if there's a thing

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_01]: That's a time trial. I can have the most time to do it like uh

[01:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're better off just going and doing the thing as opposed to just hoping somebody loses before you

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they've they've clearly designed this they don't want the first person to go to lose

[01:18:08] [SPEAKER_03]: They want it to go now that doesn't preclude you from becoming katlyn

[01:18:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and I did check by the way. She did have exactly two minutes and 30 seconds. Okay. Wow

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So it really was that that's really the curse time in the big brother house two minutes and 30 seconds

[01:18:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Bring daniel back give her that same puzzle. Okay

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Here's the first season. It's the daniel versus katlyn season

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_00]: What we've all been waiting for

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_05]: The baby is of the baby puzzle big brother redemption islands daniel versus katlyn

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm here for it. Honestly. I don't know you know what it actually be more so like azi versus uh versus coach

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_00]: I think give it just like the way katlyn was edited. Yeah, what's interesting though is that

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I agree that I think in retrospect. It's yeah, you send the people you want early on because that gives them a better chance of survival

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Xavier did not take that that way for whatever reason

[01:19:06] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean when frankie passes with flying colors. He wants to use it as an olive branch and Xavier

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Takes offense to it to derrick's point of like despite the fact that apparently he requested to go second

[01:19:17] [SPEAKER_00]: He still was offended by it. Mm-hmm

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think for Xavier for people like Xavier and frankie who are

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Basically never going to not be sent in because only

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_03]: One or two people

[01:19:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe three will not go in and if you're Xavier you've been thrown in every time

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_03]: You don't have that many allies

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you're gonna get thrown in you might as well go in earlier than later

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, the only people I think that should be trying to not go in are people that feel very comfortable that they won't like

[01:19:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Like even britney. I was like britney

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't know if there's a scenario where you don't go in given your situation in the house

[01:19:53] [SPEAKER_03]: She doesn't I think maybe know that she doesn't see the alliance between josh Xavier

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Taylor and and uh and Danielle that puts her at risk

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And so maybe that's why she feels like she might be able to prevent herself from going in

[01:20:04] [SPEAKER_03]: But really and as we saw this the only people who were really capable

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Of avoiding

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Going in at all were taylor

[01:20:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, you know, maybe josh, you know, he kind of gets in there

[01:20:15] [SPEAKER_03]: um and

[01:20:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe danielle and it was probably between danielle and josh who could have got that last spot

[01:20:21] [SPEAKER_03]: um and

[01:20:23] [SPEAKER_03]: So unless you're those people and you know, you're good and you won't be thrown in you should be trying to get into as early as possible

[01:20:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I think

[01:20:29] [SPEAKER_05]: But what multiverse am i in i don't know but what multiverse am i in

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_05]: That josh is safe

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Like what has happened

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_05]: You know and i'm saying this as a newly minted josh stan. Yeah, I mean josh is popular

[01:20:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is incredible. Like, you know that so many different things like uh that you know for anybody else that's thinking about doing reindeer games

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean come back completely like change your legacy entirely

[01:20:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's a weird it's worth considering the fact that like josh by far has the most experience

[01:21:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Um at not only social strategy games in general

[01:21:09] [SPEAKER_03]: But also specifically this format. This is basically the challenge which josh has been competing on for years now

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_05]: challenges with the word brawl in it

[01:21:20] [SPEAKER_05]: You see something brawl. How are you not being like josh gotta go? He's in

[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_05]: This is his back. He gotta go in every time. Mm-hmm

[01:21:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's just a matter of him like

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's it's really almost like from a survivor perspective like he's got the meat shields

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's not working with frankening xavier, but like they are the more threatening

[01:21:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and then sometimes if you're looking from the Britney side of things like, okay, Danielle's too scheming josh

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Really isn't whether it's his perception or like again that knowledge of the challenge of just like

[01:21:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Stay low for a while and then when you really need to flare up flare up and so we'll see I mean

[01:21:58] [SPEAKER_00]: If josh martinez becomes a two-time big brother winner before he becomes a one-time challenge finalist

[01:22:04] [SPEAKER_03]: That is why I think he's a real dark horse pick to win this whole thing right now

[01:22:09] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean him him and taylor are now the only two people that haven't gone into a showdown

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_03]: So

[01:22:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Like what is going on for me?

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he just got in like the best shape of his life in preparation for the challenge usa

[01:22:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Which I think filmed like this spring

[01:22:26] [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like he's necessarily out of step and i'm assuming he's still consistently training and anticipation for whatever's coming next

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_00]: With the challenge so like he also might low key be one of the most like physically adept

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_00]: People as well depending on what the challenges might be again

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_00]: His clumsiness is something that he might not be able to to train outside of but I think that on top of

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I also think him being a relatively recent alum

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_00]: But not too recent has him well connected as well

[01:22:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think to taren's point we're gonna get I think a little less into the like

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I gotta pick my allies because there's

[01:22:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Only so many people you can keep safe at a certain portion of time

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's a large reason why josh has been safe taren. That's why people say we need the stock watch

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean I think it's interesting

[01:23:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the layout of the game now is interesting because there's still the two

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Main like groupings which is you now have taylor josh xavier

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Then you also have the women taylor britney and

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Nicole those are like the two main groups, but then you also have the the loose grouping of frankie

[01:23:32] [SPEAKER_03]: britney and nicole

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And so like

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_03]: With all of that

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_03]: You know taylor looks like she's the most connected. She's the least she's the only person

[01:23:44] [SPEAKER_03]: She doesn't have like a super solid thing with is frankie

[01:23:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, and then after that it's like you've got you know

[01:23:51] [SPEAKER_03]: You've got britney and nicole who have got frankie and they've got taylor, but they don't have x and josh

[01:23:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and then you know x and josh and frankie only have like like one person each basically

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, uh, so, you know there is a hierarchy that seems to be forming here based on the the venn diagram

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_01]: All right in in lieu of stock watch could we do maybe agree on power rankings real quick

[01:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the end of the first week. Okay. We're gonna come back on monday for another three episodes

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: If we did the power rankings, okay

[01:24:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it safe to say at number six in the power rankings?

[01:24:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I would have Xavier

[01:24:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think positionally that's true, but he's also like really good. That's true. You have to knock him out

[01:24:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, so I think that like they'll probably keep throwing him in

[01:24:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but like it will he lose is the question

[01:24:44] [SPEAKER_00]: I think it also it's also tough because

[01:24:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Like we can create power rankings to get to the final four, but we don't know what this titular reindeer games is

[01:24:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to be a series of challenges?

[01:24:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Is it like one long gauntlet tough as nail style?

[01:24:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Because if it's also a series of challenges then like then the positions reverse right if Xavier makes it there

[01:25:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Then he might be the odds on favorite to win

[01:25:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think I think we I think we can go off of just like social strategic positioning and just say like the

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Challenges are going to be what the challenges are because we don't really know I mean in that case

[01:25:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I would probably put x at the bottom. I'm open to Sasha having it be either britney or even nicole, I think

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I I would say x unfortunately. I think he is more loyal to people than they are to him

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_03]: That's why yeah, I don't I don't think x has any truly loyal people

[01:25:34] [SPEAKER_05]: He's no one's number one

[01:25:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And I would get any out the ones

[01:25:41] [SPEAKER_05]: What are you doing boo?

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm, and I would probably put britney five

[01:25:46] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I Franky and yeah, I think Frankie

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I think Frankie, you know Frankie's being targeted by by Taylor who is perhaps the best positioned right now

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's not a good place to be we saw what happened to Cody

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, so maybe Frankie's down there as well. He's really just got a call as an ally

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:26:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so if Frankie is five

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Then I feel like you have probably two pairs. I feel like it's

[01:26:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Nicole and britney in whatever order you want to put them. Yeah, and then Taylor and josh are at the top

[01:26:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. I put britney below

[01:26:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Nicole because I think britney's gonna have the most heat on her coming into this next episode

[01:26:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Because as was very clear from the reactions. I don't think anyone wanted to see

[01:26:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Danielle go and I think that again as much as Xavier thought he was sort of signing britney's death warrant

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_00]: She kind of knew she was signing dine daniels and I think there's gonna be some revenge

[01:26:44] [SPEAKER_00]: That's not there. So I think she's in much more immediate danger

[01:26:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And I also even though britney won the first competition of the season. I think I would trust nicole more

[01:26:53] [SPEAKER_00]: From like a general competition perspective. I know that she just won her first one

[01:26:58] [SPEAKER_00]: But like that was a very tough one to win

[01:27:01] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep, I do I do think that like the one downside for nicole though is what I talked about where like if they do take a shot at frankie

[01:27:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, does she get caught in the crossfire? Uh, like I don't know that britney would but nicole might

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And so that could be that could be something to think about as well. Okay, nicole's so good at like being

[01:27:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I mean this in a good way. I promise but like being a snake in that she's like this one's going down

[01:27:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna jump over here. I'm saying it in a good way. I promise no time out

[01:27:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I think

[01:27:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Good no, I I just feel that right she said i'm a girl's girl. I'm with y'all right we get this

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_05]: It felt felt like someone was holding a gun to her head when she was saying that confessional that oh

[01:27:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm working with the girls and then does everything to help the boys

[01:27:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not on purpose, but so she did it

[01:27:55] [SPEAKER_05]: So I feel that nicole that's why I think nicole has a better chance and I will always I think end up picking nicole in these situations

[01:28:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Because she is like a cockroach like she will get to the end. It doesn't matter who she's gonna be self interested

[01:28:10] [SPEAKER_05]: She's gonna play hard. Yeah, I just wanted to own it for once in a while

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay. She's very good and I think it's really again. I think it's so interesting to watch

[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_03]: These players uh watching nicole do her thing watching like a new and improved josh who's using like his challenge skills

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_03]: as in the challenge

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_03]: To get ahead and and watching taylor like uh her social game really shined in this episode

[01:28:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, and and that's really interesting to see all right

[01:28:37] [SPEAKER_01]: So if we go nicole then britney at three and then four

[01:28:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And then is it is taylor number one or is it josh?

[01:28:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Give me the goof. I think josh is number one. I think it's josh too

[01:28:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I just feel like that people like are talking about taylor as a threat and I don't feel like anybody is looking at josh as a threat

[01:28:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know uh, I I think I think that I think that

[01:29:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Like if you look at the connections taylor has the women josh is a little more isolated sure um, but

[01:29:10] [SPEAKER_03]: We saw what happened to danielle like that could get taylor in trouble if she gets caught

[01:29:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Frankie could win one of these competitions and put her in a bad spot where I don't think anybody is gunning for josh right now

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that frankie would go after taylor, but yeah, it's possible

[01:29:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel that frankie is the lynch pin for taylor right like wherever he moves

[01:29:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Is is what I think will determine rather where taylor ends up. So she's one b

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean their dynamics really interesting right because when taylor won the first challenge frankie came to her and was pitching like

[01:29:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't give it to me

[01:29:47] [SPEAKER_00]: And I guess he benefited from the fact that two of her tightest allies said please give it to me

[01:29:52] [SPEAKER_00]: But like

[01:29:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Technically he got what he wanted so he's going out of this episode with no bad blood for taylor because she also

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't have a pick in the second challenge as well. So I think

[01:30:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean we'll see at this moment

[01:30:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I think if he wants to take her out he'd have to draw

[01:30:07] [SPEAKER_00]: First blood which I don't know to taren's point if he would want to do

[01:30:11] [SPEAKER_00]: But again if taylor wins another one of these and she decides like she did with kody like nope

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, it's going to frankie now. Then all bets are off. Yeah. Yeah

[01:30:19] [SPEAKER_03]: I think the question is like if somebody like frankie wins it seems like his target would be x

[01:30:24] [SPEAKER_03]: The question would be if it is like a throw two people in

[01:30:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Does he put taylor in next to x or does he put somebody like josh in next to x?

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_03]: And and that might be the decider between like who's in a better position. Yeah alliance wise taylor, you know

[01:30:38] [SPEAKER_01]: She has that first group that we saw where that danielle is gone

[01:30:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But josh and xavier are still there but then she also has the thing with the women

[01:30:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like that she has more paths that she can go with her allies

[01:30:52] [SPEAKER_01]: But I just feel like that she has like a little bit of an enemy in frankie

[01:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that josh doesn't have that right now. So

[01:31:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You could go either way. I think I'd have a josh taylor

[01:31:07] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll I'll put it out there. I'll go taylor josh taylor josh

[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't think I don't know that frankie's looking at taylor in the same way that you do, but I don't know okay

[01:31:16] [SPEAKER_01]: all right

[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_01]: What anything else from reindeer games tonight?

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: week one

[01:31:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean like I think this podcast is almost an encapsulation of the experience of watching this show

[01:31:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Which is just like an unexpected delightful surprise. I cannot state it enough

[01:31:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I know I'm mimicking what the entire internet is saying at this point going on four days, but

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_00]: It's just wild and you know, I do agree that like okay. They're probably gonna do it again

[01:31:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Makes me a little bit nervous, you know

[01:31:50] [SPEAKER_00]: We stick far as this is about like celebrity big brother of like oh, we had fun the first time

[01:31:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, maybe we're getting a bit of diminishing returns the ratings haven't been incredible

[01:31:59] [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's their fault. I think the marketing for this show was terrible

[01:32:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe be word of mouth. Maybe it'll be like uh like have like uh like over the holiday season

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Like people might watch it on paramount plus or like so

[01:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe even like post christmas like people are like, oh, you know what? I heard reindeer games was good. I'll check it out

[01:32:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean I think it's almost uh if the great british bakeoff holiday specials were like incredibly cutthroat

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I love this idea of bringing in more alum to do these random little things

[01:32:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure how much of an effort was on productions part to like

[01:32:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Keep everyone staffed even though there were no live feeds and like making everything happen

[01:32:37] [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know if it would be reindeer games, but I'm here for like more of these little things

[01:32:42] [SPEAKER_00]: We've been it's been a celebration of big brothers 25th season in many ways this year

[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_00]: and I think getting to see this was

[01:32:49] [SPEAKER_00]: just

[01:32:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely delightful in so many ways who would have thought we get like some of the most tense stuff

[01:32:57] [SPEAKER_00]: in big brother in quite some time

[01:33:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Again on a holiday special made by the same show

[01:33:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean this episode tonight blew the uh big brother 25 double evictions way out of the water

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I think every single episode of reindeer games has been better than any

[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, you know we didn't touch on that daniel reyes. She got to the presence got the 5k at the least thing I do

[01:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I I literally said thank god. Thank god

[01:33:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine it's like oh pajamas

[01:33:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Jelly again

[01:33:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Cake

[01:33:39] [SPEAKER_00]: So you think there's gonna be any punishments in there like a Yankee swap what punishment they're going home after they lose

[01:33:46] [SPEAKER_00]: You have to be an elf for the next season

[01:33:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god, please

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Also, could I just add no more to conversations? I don't want to hear about live feeds. All right two different games

[01:34:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Two different um vibes

[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_05]: We want live feeds always. Okay. Yeah

[01:34:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess a couple different things. Uh, so

[01:34:09] [SPEAKER_01]: One I guess there's some talk of like oh this is this they're testing to see if it's viable without the live feeds

[01:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is a totally different animal right there

[01:34:19] [SPEAKER_03]: What kind of test would this be like it's a completely different like if they were trying to test that like what would they

[01:34:26] [SPEAKER_03]: What would people do without like this isn't the same show?

[01:34:29] [SPEAKER_03]: This is a different. This is the challenge which never had live feeds. Like what do you mean?

[01:34:34] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

[01:34:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And then also Sasha there's also the conversation like well

[01:34:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, kind of like hey you all like this and there's no live feeds. So

[01:34:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe you'll like the people better if there were no live feeds

[01:34:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And to that we say what did you like big brother Canada 11?

[01:34:53] [SPEAKER_05]: No, not only that it's we know these people we already know how they are because of live feeds

[01:35:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And that is the only reason we're here tell some of the people from the squid game challenge

[01:35:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Just how much people like them with no live feeds

[01:35:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's and that's a thing as well. Yeah is that

[01:35:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Also, like this is a completely different environment. They're going into film like

[01:35:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Three to four hours a day again

[01:35:18] [SPEAKER_00]: This is why it's big brother the genius is because they keep coming back and filming the same thing and then leaving again

[01:35:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Totally different than confined in a house 24 7 with 119 cameras tracking

[01:35:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, your every move if this is a test balloon. This is like the wonkiest

[01:35:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Party city ass balloon that you bought for your kids birthday party

[01:35:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I will say

[01:35:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Just in terms of like live feed watch in general

[01:35:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say that the one media story to watch is that there are some reports in the media about

[01:35:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Paramount being sold and so if the parent company of paramount is sold and then there is like

[01:35:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Of course it all lives on paramount plus right now

[01:35:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I would say it might be a little bit more

[01:35:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Unclear of like how the live feeds would be delivered

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that there's like such a long history of it being like a money maker and an important part of the show

[01:36:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I would think that they would

[01:36:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Be wanting to keep them

[01:36:13] [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think that there could be some upheaval if paramount ends up being sold to another company

[01:36:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like what was the didn't they put out like a fun little stat last year of how many minutes were watched on paramount plus a big brother like

[01:36:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I think of a very admittedly struggling streaming service like that is a

[01:36:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Reliable say honestly you want like i'm sorry i'm sorry i don't need to drop go ahead

[01:36:36] [SPEAKER_00]: No, i was gonna say like say what you want to about the big brother community

[01:36:39] [SPEAKER_00]: But like we come out in droves for things and that includes like going to paramount plus to watch these live feeds

[01:36:45] [SPEAKER_01]: No, in all seriousness

[01:36:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean in a era of like there's so many streaming sites trying to get your 499 and your 999 and 2099 for

[01:36:53] [SPEAKER_01]: You know if big brother like was a solo thing that they flipped and was going to like as a solo package as a streaming service

[01:37:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that might be very lucrative as something that they may want to do just as like a standalone

[01:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Bring back real player

[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Bring back a real player might have been ahead of its time, but uh, we'll save that for uh another day

[01:37:14] [SPEAKER_01]: All right anything else rain to your games tonight

[01:37:17] [SPEAKER_01]: All right

[01:37:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Sasha what else is going on for you a very busy podcaster?

[01:37:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, as you said I cover a hot topic celebrity gossip lives only podcast with kirsten mechanics called

[01:37:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Mess magnets so check that out over on our hap and of course I talk below deck med with chappelle

[01:37:40] [SPEAKER_05]: You know it'll be out this week y'all we are here

[01:37:43] [SPEAKER_05]: But it'll be out. We usually do it wednesdays at 3 p.m

[01:37:49] [SPEAKER_05]: On right here on the youtube channel or the bravo tv rahap ups

[01:37:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I was um, also a guest or I will be it's not out yet

[01:37:58] [SPEAKER_01]: On renap with y'all. Yeah, you know what? I uh, of course, I've got the slideshow here

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I jump the gun a little bit. Uh, where I'm sure I'm you know, I think that hopefully uh, we'll

[01:38:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, maybe have that here. Let me see. Let me see, you know, I'll let's just let's just see

[01:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, what's out there for me? Okay. All right

[01:38:18] [SPEAKER_01]: The post game show for survivor from last night got to catch up with jamal

[01:38:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Just one of the best people to talk about survivor a very interesting survivor final six

[01:38:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So uh, check out that podcast if you miss it and then today I caught up with

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Stephen fishback on survivor know-it-alls and uh, steven was you know, he's just shot out of a canon in the daytime now

[01:38:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So uh, check out what steven had to say over on nothing but netflix

[01:38:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, chappell and I talked to trey and leann from squid game really fun interview

[01:38:50] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you missed that one, that's a really fun listen to last night

[01:38:55] [SPEAKER_01]: It was the amazing race finale and of course mike and jess and I got together to talk about

[01:39:00] [SPEAKER_01]: The final episode of the amazing race an interesting one. They did a scramble for the final leg

[01:39:07] [SPEAKER_01]: It was an interesting way to do it. Uh, we were pretty high on the amazing race finale sasha. You were too

[01:39:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, loved it. What a great season

[01:39:15] [SPEAKER_01]: We had uh amazing race exit interviews as well

[01:39:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Be sure to watch the amazing race exit interview that we did with rob and cori on our youtube channel

[01:39:27] [SPEAKER_01]: with closed captioning on everything so uh, we were able to close caption

[01:39:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Rob's signing there in that one and then as sasha mentioned, uh below deck and then

[01:39:41] [SPEAKER_01]: We have coming up tomorrow morning

[01:39:44] [SPEAKER_01]: We'll have a very special renapp episode where sasha joined us to talk about round and round the hannocka

[01:39:51] [SPEAKER_01]: hallmark film

[01:39:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Which features one of my favorite actors rick hoffman of suits

[01:39:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Is there for hannocka sasha is tonight?

[01:40:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it the eighth night of hannocka tonight?

[01:40:03] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a wrap everywhere. What a great way to celebrate. Yep. Happy eighth night of hannocka for everybody out there

[01:40:12] [SPEAKER_01]: celebrating uh, check out everything we've gone on on the patron feed as well including sasha joining us for

[01:40:17] [SPEAKER_01]: The survivor patron q&a tomorrow live at 3 p.m

[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So that'll be fun to talk some survivor with sasha plus mike bloom on the survivor feedback show on monday

[01:40:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And then make sure you subscribe subscribe to everything that we're doing over rob has the website.com slash subscribe. All right

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Then mike

[01:40:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Very busy podcaster and reporter of course exit press coming for reindeer games

[01:40:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, reindeer games exit press

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Cannot believe those words are coming out of my mouth

[01:40:47] [SPEAKER_00]: But the smile that i'm exuding saying it is a mile wide tomorrow

[01:40:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be talking with cameron. I'll be talking with kody. I'll be talking with danielle

[01:40:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Certainly a lot to get into especially with the ladder. I'm just so excited to find out from these people like

[01:41:00] [SPEAKER_00]: What did you expect this to be?

[01:41:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Because I think to see how that vibe with our own expectations should be

[01:41:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Very interesting, especially given again some comments that kody and made about

[01:41:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe trying to make up for some stuff from big brother 22

[01:41:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Of course other than that it has been a busy day for you and I both rob

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_00]: We talked with the most recently booted survivor contestant. I thought that

[01:41:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean it was a that was a really great interview in particular the survivor interview got a lot of questions answered there

[01:41:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And I talked with all three eliminated teams from the amazing race or final three teams

[01:41:32] [SPEAKER_00]: I should say

[01:41:33] [SPEAKER_00]: We're doing the b&b this week a bit of a double day with jenny autumn and phil tea and of course as rob said

[01:41:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be joining him on monday for our seasonal feedback show. There's a lot to talk about

[01:41:45] [SPEAKER_00]: We've got a really interesting episode to size up that what is sure to be a wackadoo finale for this wackadoo cast

[01:41:51] [SPEAKER_00]: So i'm excited about that

[01:41:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Posure recaps covering battlestar galactica covering fargo and last thing i'll plug

[01:41:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I was actually on this most recent recap of survivor uk

[01:42:03] [SPEAKER_00]: With shannon gust got to talk about k's been great

[01:42:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Got to talk about one of the biggest oopsies i've ever seen in survivor history and sizing up that finale as well

[01:42:12] [SPEAKER_00]: As it's going to air

[01:42:14] [SPEAKER_00]: This coming weekend, so yeah, there's a lot of things happening right now

[01:42:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Robby spoke at this on another podcast that like all of a sudden it's all coming to a close

[01:42:22] [SPEAKER_00]: It's been like four straight months of cbs reality tv

[01:42:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I did not realize that this would be sort of like who knew last dash last

[01:42:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Dasha

[01:42:30] [SPEAKER_00]: If you will to the finish line, but i'm i'm so happy to have it and i talk about everything probably too much at a

[01:42:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Mike bloom type on social media

[01:42:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and then also uh mike and i were saying on the amazing race recap that we're working on our end of the year

[01:42:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Brand steel could be a big brother brand steel this year

[01:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what the word on the street is for the most

[01:42:50] [SPEAKER_01]: interesting

[01:42:52] [SPEAKER_01]: things inanimate objects moments of 2023

[01:42:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Put them into one big brand steel and crowned champion every year

[01:43:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And so if you have anything that you want to make sure is on the brand steel

[01:43:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Make sure you let mike bloom know about it between now and the week after christmas

[01:43:08] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, mike great to have you here on the podcast taren. Okay a quiet weekend now for you

[01:43:12] [SPEAKER_01]: No reindeer games

[01:43:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, well, I will be recording with shannon about the penultimate episode of survivor that air always a good one

[01:43:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm. So uh make sure you tune in for that

[01:43:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but then yes, uh next week back at it monday tuesday wednesday thursday live on twitch every night watching

[01:43:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Reindeer games and the survivor finale and then the reindeer games finale

[01:43:37] [SPEAKER_03]: We'll have the podcasts. It'll be a good time. So uh come find me over on twitch

[01:43:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and then reindeer games will be back monday night. I believe uh, it will be at 9 p.m

[01:43:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it our first 60 minute episode of reindeer games unless they change it? Yeah, I believe

[01:43:53] [SPEAKER_00]: So I will also say for exit press. So again, I'll have the the other three the first three tomorrow

[01:43:58] [SPEAKER_00]: CBS says that it'll be a bit more a la carte with interviews for nexik

[01:44:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I would have tried to talk with the winner

[01:44:05] [SPEAKER_00]: But it's a little tough obviously all hands will be on deck from the pr perspective because of the survivor finale

[01:44:10] [SPEAKER_00]: But hoping to talk with a few other of these uh contestants as well in the coming weeks

[01:44:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so monday night 9 p.m

[01:44:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Eastern is going to be when reindeer games is going to uh be on it is 60 minutes as we know right now

[01:44:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Although a couple times this week they change them from 60 minutes to 90 minute episodes this week

[01:44:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So 60 minutes coming up on monday night. We'll have the podcast coming up at 10 15

[01:44:35] [SPEAKER_01]: p.m on monday night

[01:44:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I will not be there on monday night the first lady of podcasting has made dinner reservations

[01:44:45] [SPEAKER_01]: for the holidays on a monday night

[01:44:49] [SPEAKER_03]: What are the reindeer games?

[01:44:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I tried to tell her that um, hey, I can't go there's reindeer games and she uh said that that that

[01:45:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Didn't take

[01:45:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Well rob if you have a song to channel your anger, I know a guy that you could probably

[01:45:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I need the christmas crooner to try to get me out of that one. So taren will have you uh for

[01:45:12] [SPEAKER_01]: monday night and so I will be uh watching along with you and then back with you to talk more ranger games tuesday night

[01:45:20] [SPEAKER_01]: live so

[01:45:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Enjoy the weekend everybody back with more reindeer games coming up uh monday night. Have a good one everybody. Bye