Rizgod Talks Big Brother 28

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[00:00:38] Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Cesternino. We are back here to talk some more Big Brother. This has been an ongoing series talking with our many Survivor friends about what's going on. Taren, how are you? Doing great. Happy to be here. Okay, and we are thrilled here to talk with a person who... It's been too long since this person has been on television.

[00:00:59] We need to get him back. Of course, from Survivor 49 and 50, it's the R-I-Z-G-O-D, the man, the myth, the legend, Riz God Baby! Rob, it's an honor to be here finally talking to Rob about stuff that's not Survivor related. Another passion of mine, which is Big Brother. So I'm super excited to debut my BB knowledge to the fandom. So I'm excited to talk to you and Taren today.

[00:01:25] And so, we'd love to hear your takes on everything. Riz God, were you one Rick Devins no away from being a Big Brother 28 contestant? So, this is a very loaded question here because if you ask me personally, yes. If they asked me to do it, I would have said yes.

[00:01:49] If you asked my family a la Liz God, it might have been a discussion otherwise. But if Rick Devins said no, then I don't know. There might have been a conversation where I would have gotten the diamond power of veto on BB28. I think it's reasonable to assume that you were the next phone call. I don't know. I think I would like to think there is never enough Riz God in the air. But also, I think I fit the BB demographic. That's what I'll say. I think for me, I'm young, I'm funny, I'm a super fan of the shows.

[00:02:18] Like, I fit the typecasting they do for Big Brother. So I would assume that if Rick said no, and if Coach wasn't available, that I'd probably be somebody they'd call. Yeah, I mean, who else are they calling? I mean, I don't know. It's a great question. I mean, Christian would have been great. But he wouldn't have done it. Yeah, he probably wouldn't have. Yeah, I don't know. I think I probably would have been the next best up because everybody else on Survivor 50 is relatively older. I mean, Rick is the oldest contestant aside from Angela, I believe. So like, you know.

[00:02:48] Assuming they want one man and one woman. Right. Ceri's not going to do it. So, yeah. But excited to hear that because I didn't know this about you and your backstory that you're a big Big Brother fan. Yeah, you know, it all started back in Big Brother 12. I remember, you know, watching Survivor. Obviously, Survivor Token Chains. That was around 2008, 2009. And then BB12 was like 2012. And there was like a promo after, I forgot what Survivor season it might have been. Maybe South Pacific. I don't know. It was one of the seasons.

[00:03:18] And, you know, they're doing the cringy thing. I'm like, oh, I'm going to watch this. And then I really liked Enzo because he was from New Jersey. The meow, meow. And then I started watching. And then I loved the Brigade. And then I got into it. Then I started watching feeds on Big Brother 14, which is why, like, I have like a, you know, a rock hard crush on Dan Giesling. Because I saw the guy. Rock hard crush is pretty graphic. Yeah. I didn't know what to say aside from how much I fucking love Dan Giesling. I'm excited to watch him on Destination X.

[00:03:48] Yeah. But, you know, Dan Giesling, watching him live on BB 14 and the feeds and Dan's funeral, I was like, holy shit, this is the best show ever. And then, you know, BB 15 hit and they're like, oh, shit, like maybe it's not that good. And then after that, I've kind of been really into Big Brother. I would say Big Brother 21 was like the last season I really got into the feeds. So I kind of fell off as a show watcher and a feeds watcher and then just followed the show through Twitter.

[00:04:16] Because, like, BB 21 and 22 was rough. Cookout was great. And then, like, I feel like the last few seasons were bad. And then 27 for me, I got back into the feeds because of Rachel Riley, obviously one of the people that I grew up watching. And then now I have a much more invested interest because, like, Rick and Dee, not only did I play with them, but they're, like, genuinely really good friends of mine. And they didn't tell me they played. So those darn motherfuckers. But, no, I'm super excited for them. And they're killing it so far.

[00:04:47] Yeah. I mean, killing it is an understatement at this point. I mean, it must be, like, it's so interesting because I think that when you have a rooted interest when you're watching Big Brother, it's usually incredibly stressful. Because not only are people talking about them outside of the house, but, like, in the house, there's always, like, whispers. And, like, as a player in Big Brother, you're usually, like, one HOH away from being in some trouble.

[00:05:11] But in this instance, Devin's and Dee, they're, like, five HOHs away from being in trouble. So it must be kind of, like, a little bit stress-free in that sense. Yeah. It's so funny because I'm watching Rick and Dee through two lenses, right? Like, in my personal rooting interest where it's, like, I legit want them to win the money because I know how much it would mean to them and their family. But also it's, like, ah, you know, like, I can't invest all this time that I want to watch with you guys if you're, like, aligned with the people I don't know.

[00:05:40] But, like, watching and it's kind of a cakewalk, right? So, like, strategically, they're doing a great job aligning with Kamu, aligning with Haley because not only are they winning HOHs, but they're, like, not likable people. So, like, it might be in their best interest to go to the end of these people because they could beat them in a jury boat. But it's, like, do I really want to watch Haley and Kamu and Chuck GPT, like, go all the way to the end? Chuck GPT! Yeah, if you know, you know. It's a little Twitter lore.

[00:06:08] But, yeah, I think it makes sense for them to align with the red corner. But, like, I'm more invested in, like, the Mallories, the Melodies, the Drews, which I'm sure we'll talk about as well. Yeah. Like, that and the Taylors, like, the people that are kind of, like, the underdogs. I feel like that's what most of the survivor – or rather the Big Brother fandom always roots for is the underdogs. And right now, not only are Dee and Rick not even overdogs, they're, like, superior powers, which I was worried for Rick.

[00:06:36] And I think, Rob, you infamously tweeted, like, when Rick gets on the block three times in a row and wins POV, it's going to hit like crack. And I just don't see that in Rick's cards at all. I thought Rick was going to do that as well. But he's really impressed me. Dee, I suspected that she was my winner pick before the season. And she's, like, legitimately destroying the game. Like, she's killing it. Obviously, Big Brother, the difference between Survivor and Big Brother is the length of this show, right?

[00:07:02] But for the first four weeks, I mean, like, this is to me, like, Tyler Crispin, Paul, BB19 levels of, like, strangleholds on the game. And I think she's killing it. Yeah. You know, in terms of Rick Devins, when we talked about what it was going to look like with Rick Devins going into the house and, of course, coming off of Survivor 50, this attitude of YOLO, the joy, find the fun. He's chaotic. He's doing the most out there. And he's kind of gone into the Big Brother house.

[00:07:30] And, you know, there was that one night when he won the HOH and was like, hey, let's blow the whole thing up. But he's really, like, found his inner Levasseur in the house where it's like, how do I really just try to, like, stay out of the drama from here on out? And this was not a turn that I foresaw with Rick Devins. Yeah. And I think a lot of the feedback or a lot of the worry that me and some of the Survivor alumni had with Rick was like, oh, he's going to get bored and go absolutely crazy. Yeah.

[00:08:00] Because as someone that's played with Rick, I know how much Rick can handle of the Riz God, right? Like, I knew that there was times where Rick didn't really enjoy spending all the, you know, cinema and all that stuff. And I thought, like, damn, if he couldn't deal with one of me, imagine, like, ten of me and Big Brother. But he's done a really good job just separating himself. You were his training wheels. I was. I was. Which, as somebody that's kind of watching the feeds, I feel a little bit bad for Drew.

[00:08:29] And I think we'll get into it. But I think Drew kind of playing the middle and, you know, mentioning my name kind of gives Rick alarm bells. It's like, shit, like, Rizzo kind of did this a little bit. Like, I can't let Drew do the same thing. So I think Rick is on his A game right now. And I'm honestly super proud of him. Yeah, I think that's an interesting comparison. And obviously, people have sort of made a little bit of a comparison between you and Drew just in terms of, like, your age.

[00:08:54] And Drew is such, like, a funny character on the show. But, yeah, I think that it's interesting that you're saying that you think that Devens might be actually seeing a little bit of you in Drew. And that being part of what makes him wary. Because I think he was drawn to Drew initially as somebody that he really liked. And then, obviously, Angela had this suspicion of Drew. And it eventually kind of bled through.

[00:09:22] Now, like, we know that Drew actually is very loyal to Devens. And so the idea that Devens is, like, cutting Drew off now feels like it actually could be. Like, if there is such a thing as a mistake in the position that Devens and D are in, that they're so untouchable. It does feel like Drew could be valuable, at least to Devens' game, because he's so loyal. But, you know, you never really know. How do you feel about that when it comes to Devens and Drew?

[00:09:52] Yeah, I think for Devens specifically, this is a misstep in my opinion. But at the end of the day, with kind of what you were saying, with Rick being in such a high power position, I don't really think there is a mistake for him to be, like, to really happen for him. But this is definitely a misstep in his game, because Rick needs to have parachutes, right? Because Rick can't just rely on D to go to the end of the game. Rick needs side alliances. He needs side number twos.

[00:10:19] And I think he did find that with Drew, Barrett, and Rick. And I think Barrett, and I do have some qualms with Barrett, and I'm sure we'll get there. But Barrett is a true student of the game. I know Barrett knows the history with veterans or attorneys always making it deep, so you want to align with them in the beginning. And I think Drew kind of knows that as well, and I think that's why Drew is a little bit blinded about his position. Because he thinks, oh my god, I've given them everything I need to give them. Like, they assume that I'm loyal to them.

[00:10:48] But Rick doesn't realize, because I think, whether it's the comparison with me, or really just the Angela of it all, Angela worries me long-term for Rick and D because she's, granted, Angela's actually doing really well in a strategic sense. Because what she wants to happen is happening. I just think it's a misread, just like a lot of BB26 was for Angela, in terms of who's really against her.

[00:11:13] But I think Drew going home for Rick is not a good thing, because Drew is loyal to Rick. Whereas D letting go of Drew doesn't really matter, because D has Chuck, Haley, Kamu, Lyric now. Like, D has a lot of people to rely on. Whereas I don't know if Rick's web reaches as far and as wide as D's.

[00:11:38] You know, so the comparisons with Drew to you have been made by many people, including recently Drew himself. We have a clip to show you, okay? Check this out. Maybe he should have come back four seasons, like in four seasons. Like, you know, like this guy's just too young to be there. What else could they say?

[00:12:04] They could say, this guy's a wannabe Big Brother Rizzo. Right? The arm war. Is that what you said? Oh, I thought you, no, no. I heard it, I heard it. No, I. Maybe. Okay. A Big Brother Rizzo. Yeah.

[00:12:26] I know, it's so crazy to know that like my lore on the Survivor CBS reality space has now crossed over to Big Brother, especially as someone that's been such a huge fan. I think in ways there are similarities. I've seen, you know, content creators like make the similarities. I think in some ways we are similar, right? Where the young, super energetic, like super fan, like the interactions I've had with Jeff, I think Drew is doing it with Julie. I think Drew is kind of playing that middle position, right? Like he wants to be friends with everyone.

[00:12:56] And I feel like that's kind of how my game was. I think the difference though, and it's so much harder to say because Survivor, while it has a lot of nuance, you don't really see that nuance as a viewer. Whereas Big Brother, you can see everything about somebody's game if you're really locked into it. I think Drew kind of lacks that self-awareness in terms of his position that I had on Survivor. And I feel like Drew is a little lock set in who he's really aligned with.

[00:13:25] I think what really has faulted Drew is that while he's aligned with the tool shed, Spence's majority of his time with Melody, Mallory, and Barrett. And that kind of gives him a bad perception with the side that he's truly on. And the fact that he's even on the block right now, and there's people hinting in his alliance. Like Rick has like low-key told Drew like, oh, like you might not be in a good spot. Haley on the feeds yesterday was like, oh my God, Melody's going to miss you. And Drew's face like dropped.

[00:13:53] And the fact that it's not clicking in Drew's head right now that he is probably going home is like a bad sign to me. I feel like if I was ever used as a pawn, kind of like what Barrett said on the episode yesterday where he's like up. Like if I'm a possibility, like I'm done with the tool shed. So I think Drew kind of lacks that self-awareness. And while he's in a lot of conversations with a lot of people, he's not really realizing that people are stopping talking strategy when he's entering these rooms. You know, could we talk a little bit about Dee?

[00:14:23] I feel like we've been focused more on Rick Devins. But you obviously spent time in the game with Dee and she seemed to be very fond of you, wanted to work with you. So how have you thought that Dee has done so far? I mean, like I love Dee. Like Dee is like one of my, you know, close friends from Survivor 50. And I just knew when she was going into, well, first off, I was shocked she did it. She always told me she did it.

[00:14:48] So the fact that she's in it, I feel like this game is perfect for her because Dee is like kind of built in a lab for like an elite big brother player. You're strategic. You can win competitions. You're super social. You're super friendly. Like she's single. Like, you know, she can flirt with people if she wants to. She can be super cunning and super strategic. I think Dee is the complete package. And I feel like yesterday's episode, like the Sunday episode prior, is a good embodiment of how strategically savvy Dee is.

[00:15:18] Because everybody in the fandom thought Drew had this power that he didn't have. Remember that? Because Dee has been so tight-lipped about this B.B. Bride power. And while I don't think the B.B. Bride power is really that game-breaking, the fact that Dee is keeping it close to her chest and not even telling Rick tells not only me,

[00:15:35] but everybody in the fandom how much above she is compared to everybody else, I think my only fear with Dee going into the season was that she needs to play like a Derek LeVassar type game in the sense of like she can never touch the block. Because if she touches the block come eviction night, it's almost like a no-brainer. Like, I can't keep Dee here. So as long as Dee sees herself outside of the block come eviction night, I think it's going to be a cakewalk for her for the rest of the season. Because she has Angela.

[00:16:04] She has Rick willing to play his Diamond Power Vito on her. She has Kamu like talking about, oh, Dee, we got to bring her to like as far as we can. Haley, like she is so connected everywhere. And even on the other side, she puts up Mallory. And granted, I don't know. Because I know Mallory has stated that she put up all the icons. I don't know if that's true now. But I don't know if there's anybody in this cast that would put her up at this moment or for the foreseeable future. And if they do, Rick is the showman.

[00:16:33] I mean, I think the Diamond Power Vito is kind of survivor equivalent to an immunity idol in the sense. I don't want to say that, you know, Rick hit the buzzard and they said, oh, you know what? Rick deserves the Diamond Power Vito. But what I feel like is Rick is the perfect person for the Diamond Power Vito because he would put on a show. So even if Dee touches the block, I think Rick would use the Diamond Power Vito on her. That's just a testament to how good Dee is.

[00:16:58] And I think some people give her a little bit of flack for her Survivor 50 game. But Dee has made it very apparent that Survivor 50 for her was just kind of like an honor to be there. There was no point of her cementing her legacy because her legacy was already cemented. So she kind of just went out there and had fun. She wanted to be messy. She wanted to, you know, get that itch out. She did. And now she's on BB28 killing it. And I think for how it's looking, she's going to end up being the winner of the season.

[00:17:27] Tell me more about this, the bribe power, how you feel about this. Because while I think it is obviously a signal to us that she's really playing and we have questioned, like, what will Devins do long term with Dee? Like, will he remain loyal to her all the way until the end? And we kind of thought, like, Devins is certainly more likely to be loyal to Dee toward the end than Dee is. And I think that this power situation really showcases that. But there is potentially some danger, right?

[00:17:53] That, like, if it eventually comes out that she has this power in any way, that is the signal that Devins might need to know. Hold on. Okay, maybe I don't need to be as loyal to Dee as I thought. But granted, the power is probably not very, not powerful enough to really even warrant using it and exposing them in the first place. But there is that danger, right?

[00:18:16] Yeah, you know, it's hard for me because Dee has proven in all the shows that she's done that she can separate personal relationships from game relationships. Whereas Rick, in his career, has never turned on his ally. He was willing to go to season 50 to the end with Christian and Emily and lose. He was willing to go to the end of Edge of Extinction with Gavin. Granted, he probably would have beaten Gavin. But Rick has never had a bone in his body where he would be disloyal to a very close ally.

[00:18:43] And I don't know because I do feel like if it was Lala, Rick, and Dee and Rick won final HOH, like, he would make the calculated decision. But I think Rick would take Dee to the end and win. I don't know if Dee would do the same or I think Rick would take Dee to the end, even if he doesn't know if he wins. Whereas I don't think Dee would do the same. I think Dee wants that title of big brother and survivor winner. Whereas Rick would rather say the two survivor players made it to the end together.

[00:19:13] Yeah, I could see where Rick would, in a situation where it would be sort of like a, I'm trying to think of the right one. It would be like a respect thing of like, Dee, you know I can't beat you. Like, he would not do anything underhanded to her. But I think he might end up siding with, let me take Dee just in case they don't want to give it to the returning player. In just a case, it's like, I'd rather lose to Dee than lose to Lala in that situation to a spiteful jury who doesn't want to give it to the returning player.

[00:19:42] But Mike Bloom had a good tweet this weekend where he ended up bringing us back to Survivor 45. Where he brought up about how Dee hid from Austin the whole time. That she actually told Julie to play the idol on the vote where Emily went home. Where Dee is one, she will keep a secret to herself. Where that's just not something that's in Rick's DNA. Right. Yeah, and I agree.

[00:20:10] And at first, I forgot the BB-18 BB Bride lore. So when I first saw that Dee got the BB Bride, I'm like, holy crap. She's just going to convince the person at final three to take her to final two with the Bride. But luckily, I found out that they can reject it. So I personally don't think the BB Bride is that game-altering or game-changing. The only way I can see it changing is if she goes to somebody and it says, like, I need you to flip on this vote. I'll give you five grand to do it.

[00:20:39] And they're like – like, Drew, I think, would have been the perfect person to give this bribe to because he's kind of somebody that I feel like is a chaos agent. He's like, oh, five grand to do something that will cause chaos? Like, absolutely, sure. So I don't really think – and do I think Rick will be upset that Dee hides it from him if it comes out while they're both in the game? I mean, sure, naturally. But I don't think it's that game-breaking to where he'll care all that much.

[00:21:03] Yeah, and Dee's also good at covering for that where she tends to, I think, bring up like, oh, you know, I did it for you. Or I didn't want you to get pissed or like she's really good at coming up with like an emotional reason that makes people understand why she did a thing she did. Yeah, I mean, I think you just look at her relationship between the icons, between Angela and Rick, right? Like when she's with Angela, they're like acting super paranoid, acting like the world's going to end.

[00:21:32] Or they're in front of the cameras like, we're going to come after you. Like she knows how to mask herself with who she's talking to. And then when she talks to Rick, she's a lot more calm, calm, and collected. Whereas when she talks to Angela, she's like spiking up the paranoia and trying to like kind of use Angela as like her wrecking ball, right? Like whenever she needs something to go down, she'll pry Angela to do that because Rick was that for us on Survivor 50. But the fact that Rick is now the cool, calm, and collected one shows me that Rick is really playing the game.

[00:22:02] And I'm super, super proud of him. I expected Dee to be elite at the game. Rick, I was a little nervous with, but right now Rick is smooth sailing. Are you seeing any parallels in the way that Survivor 50 was played and the way that Dee and Devin's are operating here in Big Brother 28? Honestly, as of this moment, no.

[00:22:24] I think what I do see the parallels are is I think Rick and Dee and Angela to a sense are kind of playing the Rizzo-Siri-Ozzy position where there are two factions. But I think the factions on Big Brother 28 are more apparent. Whereas Survivor 50, I feel like no one really knew who was where. Like it all just felt like one big cluster.

[00:22:48] But I think Dee and Rick are doing a great job going to the red corner and it's like, oh my God, Drew, we got to get Drew out. And then we're going to Barrett, Drew, and the other side. And it's like, oh, I can't stand Kamu, Chuck, and Haley. Like they're doing a great middle position, which Rick mentioned something to Angela on the feeds. It was like, oh, like are we worried that Drew's going to expose our game when he gets evicted? And I don't know if Drew's going to do that. I think Drew's just going to be in the moment blindside and kind of walk out.

[00:23:14] But if Drew does expose the crossovers and the red corner and the tool shed, that really exposes Rick and Dee. And I feel like it will put them in a precarious situation. I think Survivor 50, it's hard, right? Because Survivor 50 had pre-existing relationships. Whereas Big Brother 28, like they're just kind of like Melody Mallory, Lala Taylor, and Yash against the red corner. And I got to say, listen, I know we're all clowning on Yash right now.

[00:23:43] But aside from Rick and Dee, I think Yash is playing the best game. And I think he's got like BB18 Paul upside. Two guys that didn't really watch the show, kind of were on the bottom, but are kind of good with everyone in the middle position and kind of win out towards the end. I'm not saying Yash is going to be a two-time runner up in Big Brother, but I think he's got some big promise. And right now, aside from the vets, I'm planting my flag. I think Yash might be the player or could be a really good player moving forward.

[00:24:13] Wow. The hottest of takes from Rizzo. Let me just go back to the Survivor 50 and the Ceri's Rizard of Oz of it all. So certainly, so Dee is Ceri, Angela is Ozzy, and Rick Devins has become the Rizzo, correct? Yeah, I think that's fair. And not dissimilar in terms of like the red corner is kind of like the honor and loyalty Zoom Alliance people. So there's some similarities. I could see it.

[00:24:43] Yeah, Mallory and Melody are kind of like Christian and Emily and that Rick, the middle people. The middle people. Yeah, I think, yeah, you know, the more you say it, Rob, I kind of see the vision. I see the vision. I think, yeah, kind of like what Ceri's Rizard of Oz did. We just kind of ping-ponged back and forth. And I think that's what Rick and Dee are kind of doing masterfully.

[00:25:00] Yeah, it's interesting because during 50, I talked a lot about how I felt like the U3 were operating and that Ceri in particular seemed so influenced by her Big Brother experience to the point where she had some confessionals that reminded me of Big Brother diary room sessions she did where it's like, I've got this Alliance and I've got this Alliance. I can barely remember how many Alliance I have. And I was like, ah, look at that. There's, I think, a little bit of Big Brother seeping in here.

[00:25:31] And now I think, yeah, we're getting a little bit of the reverse as well. Where, like, you know, whether maybe they're conscious of it or not, I have to imagine that their experience in 50 for Devin's and Dee is in part influencing the way that they are approaching this season. And, you know, theoretically, it should probably go better for them ultimately than it did for, unfortunately, the three of you. But we'll see.

[00:26:00] Yeah, I think what's really interesting in terms of, like, the two parallels that they have is that Rick did worse placement-wise, but he really cemented his survivor legacy on Survivor 50. And I think Dee kind of does the same because she was the last winner standing. So, like, Big Brother right now to see how dominant they're playing, whether you can argue the BB time capsule or having the first H-Wage, you can argue all these things.

[00:26:26] But also, like, there has been returnee players in the past that haven't played as well as Rick and Dee right now, in my opinion. So they are still playing a very good game. Obviously, they got some trinkets to help them. But I think they are now kind of cementing that they are, you know, great strategic players.

[00:26:49] And I think, obviously, they're—I don't want to say obviously, but, you know, there's rumblings between the Big Brother and Survivor community, which game's harder, which game's easier. And right now, Rick and Dee are putting out for Survivor pretty well, so. Yeah, this is a hard thing to hold in our hands where, you know, for the Survivors out there, you know, you're proud that Rick and Dee have come in and have done so well and are really dominating the game. But on the one hand, Rizzo, they're making it look too easy.

[00:27:19] And I'm worried that Survivor players will never be invited back to Big Brother because it's just, like, looking like child's play. It's, like, I want to see you play Big Brother. And now I'm worried I'm never going to get that chance. Yeah, you know, they got to think about, you know, us youngings like the R-I-Z-G-O-D that wants to complete the trifecta, right? Now I can't do it because they're making it look so easy. Listen, I think the great thing about Big Brother is that the game is very, very long. And look at Rachel Riley.

[00:27:49] Rachel was dominating BB27 for the first half. And then just, you know, twist, bada boom, bada bing. And then you can argue that Big Brother 27 almost got better with the social dynamics after Rachel left. And I think while I don't want it to happen, I think it could happen here where if Rick gets, you know, blindsided or Dee gets evicted, like, you know. You're saying bring the hamster wheel back.

[00:28:13] I probably wouldn't say that because I'm a big Rachel Riley stan and I would never want to see the white locust twist come back. I'd rather the white lotus. I'd rather think of Mike White to come back and do the white locust. Okay, that would actually be pretty funny. And then Charlie, Camilla, Christian, Angelo, and they all just kind of come out of the woods. Yeah, I'm not sure if you're going to be a Christian also. But yeah, you could do it. Yeah, probably not. Maybe a picture. But no, I'm serious. Go ahead, Taryn.

[00:28:39] I just feel like it feels like to me, like they watched what happened. They were like, okay, we loved Rachel on 27. That worked so well. But then, oh, it was too hard for her. So let's add a couple more returnees and give them some advantages to make sure. But it's like she only failed because you threw in the white locust. This was your fault. This was on you.

[00:29:06] They're trying to counter their own twists with more advantages and twists. And this might be a hot take. But I think for Rick and Dee, Angela being there in theory is like supposed to make it a little bit harder for them. Because obviously Big Brother producers know Angela is not a strategic great player. But she's a great personality to have on a show like Big Brother. And we kind of already saw it a couple weeks ago where Angela exposes that she knows the red corner to Kamu.

[00:29:34] And it pretty much almost blew up her game until people kind of like were helping her backtrack a little bit. So like Angela is there to almost be like a nuisance to Rick and Dee and see how they play around her. So like I don't want to say this has been given to them. They're just doing a really good job. It's a good point. And Taryn, you've mentioned the traders a couple times in terms of like the good players are going to want to try to bring the dummies to the end. And that is very much the way that the traders works.

[00:30:00] But I think a lot of times in terms of like who they pick to be in the turret, you know, you'll take like, OK, here's Cody. Here's Sari. And then also here's like a total wild card that's going to make the lives much harder for the traders. And I wonder if in some way, OK, we know Dee and Devins are going to get along, but now throw Angela in the mix. And I think to their credit, they've done a really good job as managing the Angela situation as good as they possibly could have to this point.

[00:30:29] But it is, you know, 60 some odd days left to go. Yeah, I mean, I absolutely think that was the intention. I think we even talked about it before the season started. And I feel like it almost worked. I mean, Angela was one bad night of sleep away from from walking down the stairs like red corner, red corner, red corner. And and she really wanted to blow up the crossovers.

[00:30:59] But yeah, they were just able to talk her down. The main thing here is that they I think were able to get off on a good foot with Angela and really develop an actual bond that she felt comfortable with. And so even when she has these impulses, she she trusts them enough to talk her down. And and now she's even feeling like they they've been proven right. She's like, oh, it was such a good thing that I didn't blow up the crossovers. And so now I think she's going to trust them even more with that kind of advice.

[00:31:29] So, yeah, it feels like their their intention of potentially trying to balance in that direction didn't quite didn't quite land the way that that maybe it should have. Yeah. Rizzo, you said that you had some thoughts on Barrett at this point. Yeah, you know, it's it's tough because I'm so happy for Barrett. I'm so proud of him to be a super fan that I know that he is. It's kind of like what I was for Survivor, right?

[00:31:53] Like I know he's a student of the game and he's playing and it's so much easier to be an armchair quarterback and judging someone's gameplay than actually being in the house. I've never been in the house. So, you know, who knows if I'm on BB 33 and I look like a total moron, then, you know, we can come back to this time stamp. But I think Barrett isn't realizing the position that he's in. I think very similar to Drew, he realizes that like, hey, if I align with the veterans, I will make a deep run in this game.

[00:32:21] And I think right now it's not looking really good besides D, whatever, you know, their relationship or dynamic is. She's the only one really protecting Barrett in the tool shed. And Barrett really only has Drew, Mallory and Melody. And the fact that he's willing to get rid of Drew without telling Drew he's a target should raise alarm bells to him that his standing isn't good. He was willing to vote out Mallory last week to not upset the tool shed, the people that he doesn't like.

[00:32:50] I feel like he's playing a little too scared and kind of is just playing on placement rather than kind of playing to win. And listen, you don't win Big Brother on week four. I totally understand that. I just think he's not doing a good job cementing other relationships in the house because, I mean, Taryn, correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel like the only people that really have Barrett's back are Mallory, Melody, Drew, D, Rick to an extent, and I guess Angela to an extent.

[00:33:17] I mean, honestly, I wouldn't even classify D, Angela, and Devins as fully having his back. I think that, at best, D finds him potentially valuable. She has turned on him before. She's then come back around. I think she's come around on seeing his value, especially if Drew is gone. But I don't think she's looking out for him in that sense.

[00:33:44] I think that Mallory is his closest ally by far. I think that Drew genuinely wants to go deep, maybe final two with him. But that's obviously not going anywhere in particular. He has started to develop something with Lyric and Taylor, which is very interesting and could definitely get him somewhere. But he really doesn't have anything with the red corner. They just do not...

[00:34:11] His personality, he does not have the thing in him that can get him to get along with those people and make them like him. And so he really needs to stop playing a game that allows them to continue to move forward. That said, they've won the last two HOHs. So what can you really do? And he, I think, is willing to take that shot. But he can't be losing his best people in the process. And that's the main thing, I think.

[00:34:40] I think in Barrett's mind, he's playing with D, he's playing with Devins, and even Angela. And I think he feels like they are the players. They're getting the powers. They're calling the shots. I need to appease them. And to some degree, that's true, right? Like you come in, you can't be anti the vets. But I think that what he needs is like the understanding like, Barrett, this is also your season. Like you should be calling the shots.

[00:35:09] You should be taking control of your own game. We are four weeks deep. It's time to take the training wheels off and really like go for it. So hopefully he's there. But yeah, just the fact that he was willing to let Mallory go last week was like, no, man. No. Yeah, and I think Big Brother is such an interesting game because the power truly does – like HOH and Vito truly does dictate who gets put on the block and who goes up for eviction.

[00:35:36] But a true great Big Brother player is actively playing the game. And they're playing the social game, building relationships, covering your ass. Because at least – like look what Yash is doing in my opinion. Yash is being strategic and having intent with his conversations with people. He's going to Taylor and Wala and be like, yo, I got your back no matter what. But he'll go to Kamu in the red corners and make this red werewolves alliance with D, Rick. Whether it's true or not, who cares? You have D. You have Kamu. You have Haley. Like Yash is my untouchable.

[00:36:05] Yash isn't even in an eight-person alliance and that's your untouchable. To me, that tells me like, yo, low-key Yash is cooking. And I don't see anything from Barrett. And it just pains me because I know this is his dream. I know this is what he's like wanting to do. And he's just not doing it. And I don't know if he's, you know, wanting to have an Ian Terry-like run, right? Like you kind of just like skate by or with the vets until your ass is on the line. And then you just kind of win out and take a vet and win at the end. I don't know if that's his trajectory.

[00:36:34] But I'm worried that he's just going to get sniped off because he's just got no connections. Yeah. Certainly in the realm of possibility. I love how in on Yash you are. And I'm wondering if maybe, you know, everybody's trying to say that the Drew is the Rizzo of Big Brother 28. But I'm thinking now Yash, a young guy. He's making TikToks. He knows some finance. I'm wondering, is Yash the Riz God of Big Brother 28?

[00:37:06] I don't know if I want to get to that extent yet because I think Yash and I are targeting. You need to do the haircut. I do. Yeah, right? Oh my God. The bush in the back or whatever he does. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't listen. I think Yash has potential to be really good. And I think the game I played on 50 could be the game that Yash is rep. Well, not that he's replicating my game, but going in that trajectory. I think what Drew wanted to do, Yash is just doing it a lot better. And the reality is Yash doesn't really have any alliances.

[00:37:35] So this can all crumble down next week or two weeks from now. But as of week four, I think with him not winning any power, he's doing a really good job insulating himself into the power structure. Because look at Lyric. I think Lyric is another person that's a good example that I wasn't very high on Lyric at first. But low key, she's like really impressing me with how she's willing to play the game. She's got some Allie Irwin BB4 vibes to her, flirting with everybody and throwing whoever to the side.

[00:38:03] She's kind of throwing her alliance of Mallory and Melody to the Wolves, to Hayley. And I saw this morning, Hayley is not taking very good to it. But Lyric is willing to cut anybody. And in a game of Big Brother for her position, I kind of respect that. So I don't know how long Lyric has for this game. But I think Lyric is another one that is impressing me with how much game sense she truly does have. I've actually been really, really impressed with Lyric. And I think she has incredible potential.

[00:38:32] But Taryn, I'm wondering if maybe if she has peaked too soon where that the dangerousness of Lyric is, could that be something that really becomes the story by Thursday night? To some degree, yeah. I mean, here's the problem. I think that Lyric absolutely has this potential. But the issue that she's facing is that she's needed to pull out and use all of her cards week after week because of the position that she's in.

[00:39:02] She's constantly being put on the block. And not really because of anything that she's done. It's just that she happened to be on the wrong side of the numbers that were winning HOH. And so she was being put on the block. She did a great job of getting herself off the block. The first time that it happened, she won a competition. The second time it happened. And now again, she's like, all right, time to pull out. What do I have? What do I have left to do? OK, I'm going to try that.

[00:39:30] And it's at this point, it's like she's been doing it so much that people are really starting to catch on. And that's the sort of thing that's like most people aren't able to get away with it once, let alone twice, let alone three times. And somebody who's in power never has to pull it out once. So that's, I think, largely Lyric's issue right now is that she's just constantly been in fight or flight.

[00:39:57] And so people are just noticing, oh, she's actually a lot better at fighting than we thought. And that could be an issue for her this week. Yeah. Yeah. To go back to Yash and the parallels to you, I do think that in terms of Survivor 50 and how you were perceived, and I realize that it is probably more intentional on your part than what Yash is doing. I do think that Yash is being very underestimated.

[00:40:26] And I think that they're looking at him, OK, he doesn't have anybody. Let's bring him with us. And I do think that that's probably how people were looking at you, especially once Savannah was gone in season 50. And it was like, OK, well, let me pick this guy up because he doesn't have anybody else to work with. Yeah, I think that's a great comparison because, you know, starting all the way at Vatu, right? Like obviously Vatu, the power structure, everybody had their people. But then once Kyle got medevaced, everyone's like, wait, like we need a number. Let's get Rizzo. He doesn't have anybody.

[00:40:55] I go into the Sari-Seela tribe and I had nobody. I was the only OG Vatu member. So D and Sari were like, listen, Rizzo's given us information. Let's pick him up, coaching the four horsemen. So I think there are a lot of parallels. And like from what I'm seeing on the feeds, I think Yash is very intentional. Maybe he doesn't realize what he's doing is actually working a lot of the time. But I think he has the game awareness that Drew doesn't have to know that like, hey,

[00:41:22] I need to put myself in a better position because Yash has finished top two in HOH in the last few weeks. And I think if Yash wins, it might not be advantageous for him to win power at this point, at least for the next week or two, in my opinion. Yeah, I think in almost every way, Yash is the player that Angela worries Drew is. And yet they all trusted Yash and didn't trust Drew, which is kind of the point a lot of the

[00:41:49] time is that the person you're looking at is usually not the person you need to be worried about the most because the person you're worried about the most has been able to convince you to look at somebody else. But but Angela has started to set her sights on Yash, largely because Chuck actually, of all people spotted what Yash was doing. So I do think that I personally think that Yash should be winning power because which is usually what I think people should be doing in general.

[00:42:16] But especially because like, yes, this is working for Yash right now. But similar to Lyric, it can only work for so long while the power structure remains in place. And and I do worry that Yash could be especially if Drew leaves this week. I think that Yash could be in the line of fire as early as next week, depending on when who wins HOH if he's not careful. And so the I think that when you have the position to capitalize on power, you should probably take it and start to try to solidify something around you.

[00:42:45] And and I think that's where Yash is right now. I think that he's good for now. But watch out because these these vets aren't going to let somebody be in a good position for long, in my opinion. And I think the reason why I say a week or two is because at least we're getting cracks of the tool shed breaking apart. So if a Mallory or if a Barrett or somebody or a Taylor wins HOH and you put up Kamu, Chuck and Haley or whatever, three people of the tool shed, he and Rick are going to have to stamp

[00:43:14] their flag of who they don't want. And then it kind of just causes more cracks and more cracks. If like you were saying, Taron, that, you know, the power structure still remains the same, then it's a bad look for him. He's hoping, I think, for an other side HOH win to really blow open this game. Certainly. This week, Haley has been the HOH. We got to see her in a really on on full display on Sunday night's episode.

[00:43:42] Rizzo, if you were in the Big Brother house, how would you handle an HOH like Haley? So I'm going to speak about Haley, the Big Brother character. I don't know her outside the games, whatever. But on this show and watching the feed, she does seem to be very unbearable. As a human being. I think, yeah, as a human being, to quote the great Rome, aka Jack. But I think she just has this HOH-itis. And listen, we see it every season with Big Brother.

[00:44:12] Whether it's Frenchie from BB23, Cody Nixon on BB19. Like people just get in power and then they just kind of lose their marbles. And I think Haley feels that right now where she's like better than everyone else. I think for me personally, the secret to Big Brother is kind of the secret to every social strategy game. It's find something that you can talk about with somebody, right? Like Haley, from what I saw, played softball in college. I would just talk to her about softball, being an athlete. Like you just got to find commonality things.

[00:44:41] Like, you know, at first me and Colby didn't have a lot in common. But once you find out what Colby is all about, how humble he is, his upbringing. He's played Survivor when he's 25. You just got to really dig deep with every single person. On paper, I don't think me and Angela would have much similarities. But I'm sure if I figure out what her common interests are and how she loves selling houses as a real estate agent, I'm in the market for a home. Like I'll talk to her about escrow packages and whatnot. Like you just got to figure out that kind of stuff about people.

[00:45:08] So if I was in a house with someone like Haley, I would just do my best to figure out what she likes. I mean, if it's, you know, she's allegedly like 47. So figure out what like 47-year-olds like. So just kind of just doing that, you know? Yeah. What about, you said Chuck GPT. Now, I had not heard Chuck GPT. Yeah. So I could be out of the loop here.

[00:45:38] But from my understanding. Okay. Okay, good. So what I've seen on Twitter and Reddit is that Chuck GPT is what the fan base is calling Chuck because he's kind of just there and just giving like pretty robotic responses. And I think I don't want to call him furniture. But like if we compare, you know, what the term furniture is in Big Brother terminology, it's kind of someone that's just there. And I think that's exactly what Chuck is. But Chuck GPT sounds really good. So this is like the new evolutionized term for furniture.

[00:46:09] And I just think Chuck, I mean, he's fine. He's in an okay spot because he's in the power structure. I think Chuck similarity wise is probably giving me Cam from BB26 where he's like a likable guy. He's not doing anything wrong, but he's not winning any powers. He doesn't have any cool diary room shout outs. Shout out to all my dogs at the crib.

[00:46:30] Yeah, I think he's just kind of there and he's like decently well liked because maybe I'm wrong, but I think Drew would be the only person targeting Chuck. I think if a Chuck Haley Camu block goes up, I think Chuck is probably the most safe. What would you say, Darren? Yeah, I mean, Chuck is just not much of a threat, I think, to anybody.

[00:46:51] I don't think necessarily that Cam is the comp, but I think that the main thing for Chuck and part of the reason why it's Chuck GPT is that even in the house, people just feel like he has no substance. Like anytime he talks to anybody, he just talks around things.

[00:47:12] And I think that like in his mind, he's doing such a great job of like connecting with people while playing them in their face. But in reality, they're just like, you just said a lot of words, but I don't think you said anything. And like the one person that he actually connects with is Haley, who is like, yeah, I see some light in Chuck. I see some light in him.

[00:47:43] But but for everyone else, it's just like, yeah, that's a totally good point that you just made. And really, if you think about it, points are all about making those points. And so, you know, in this house, you know, it is about finding people that you can trust. So, yeah, if moving forward, you want to make more points, let's talk. It's like that's just kind of how it feels talking to Chuck.

[00:48:10] And the episodes clearly agree because I think he has a collective like 30 seconds. Purple Chuck. Right. Right. You know, yeah, he's got I think I saw the confessional count. He's got like 10. Zach Brown has more confessionals than Chuck, I think. Yeah. Which is crazy. Yeah. Now. So Chuck GPT. I had not heard. Of course, I know Corbin GPT.

[00:48:34] Do you know that that actually, you know, I like to do the Corbin impression, but Riz was actually the master of the Corbin impression. Yeah. I not to toot my own horn, but as the Riz God always does, is that I have an infamous infamously good Corbin impression that actually went viral on TikTok. So I was very, very proud. But all right. Rob put a little pressure on me. Rob, can you put Corbin up on the screen, please? Ladies.

[00:49:04] Melanie. Taryn. Can you give us a live feed update? I don't I don't really want to. I don't really want to give you a live feed update. Yeah, it's so it's so funny that we're talking about the Corbin GPT and Chuck GPT, because the thing I was thinking about while you were talking, Tarek, was just Chuck going lyric. So that was just in my mind. So thanks for showing that, Rob. That was good.

[00:49:31] Listen, I lose the impressions the second I stop watching them on my screen. Yeah. I don't have them in me anymore. So I'm impressed that you held on to it. You also infamously have a very good Vinny Pinero impression as well. Yeah. See, that's long gone. Like, I don't have it anymore. I need because like I don't I don't like intentionally try to match their voice. I it's just that I watch so much feeds that it just burrows into my brain and I just accidentally start speaking like them.

[00:50:01] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're like on the heroes when the person is like in the Siler. Was he in the proximity of the person he could take on their powers? I thought he had to like eat them or something. Did he have to eat them? I don't know. Maybe that was a different guy on heroes that if they were like in the in the vicinity that they could like absorb the powers. Something like that. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Is there anybody else in the house that you have some thoughts on?

[00:50:30] Yeah, I mean, I think somebody that I'm really, really enjoying this season is Mallory. And I think Mallory is kind of providing that underdog rooting interest that I think a lot of the feedsters or, you know, a section of the fan base really likes. I don't know if this is a great comp because I think Mallory actually has. Actually, let me take this back because I actually really love Keanu and that's my guy. But what I was going to say was I think Mallory has the game sense to know what the power structure is. So if she won power, she would target the right people.

[00:51:00] And that's what I really want to see. I think Mallory has Keanu parallels in the sense that they got to keep on winning their way to get safe and no one really has their back. So I'm rooting for Mallory and I hope she does really well. I'm hoping for like a Janelle BB6 moment where she's like, give me that key, bitch, and like puts up Haley, Chuck, and Kamu. And that would really do well. I don't want this to happen. But there was moments where she was like, I want to put up the icons, Angela, Rick, and Dee.

[00:51:28] And I think that would be great for the show. And it would be great to see at least Rick use the diamond power of Vito because at this moment, like I said, it's still early. But it feels like Rick's not going to need to use it yet. So I do want to see it implemented some way. And I feel like the only way that would happen is a Mallory HOA. Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because I feel like I'm not alone in feeling this way where we're trying to hold these two things where it's like we want the people we know to do well. And they're representing Survivor well.

[00:51:58] And we know them personally to varying degrees. And it's like we're rooting for these people. We like them. And they're likable people. We also want this to be a good season. We want it to be. So we're sorry to our friends that we are wishing that there are some like choppier waters here in the Odyssey. But, you know, if you get there in the end, like it'll be a better story. Yeah. And that's kind of where I'm battling.

[00:52:24] And I know some of the alumni that I talk to are battling the same because it's like we want to see our friends win. But like a steamroll is not fun. Like at least have a couple of weeks where it's like, holy crap, Rick did a Dan's Funeral-esque kind of thing or something. You know what I mean? We don't want it to be easy. Right. You don't want a BB-19 type victory. You want a, I don't know, who's a good return. You don't want a Cody kind of win either. Well, I would say that in BB-19, you know, Paul ends up losing in the end.

[00:52:52] But it's like rooting for Boston Rob in Redemption Island. It's like, okay, you know, it's like, hey, great. I'm a Boston Rob fan. This is going so well every single week. And it's just like shooting fish in a barrel. Not to take too much away from Rob's victory in season 22 of Survivor. But, you know, we'd like there to be some adversity along the way. You want like a Tony Winners at War kind of win where it's like, oh my God, how did he do this? Yeah. Yeah. We'll see.

[00:53:23] All right. Rizzo, any other thoughts on Big Brother in general? Honestly, I, like I said, I'm heavily invested in the season because I really want Rick and D to do well. Angela, you know, it's been very interesting. The two parallels because I loved Angela on BB-26. I find it a little more difficult to watch Angela this season because Angela is a proud Riz God squad member. So I'm rooting for her. But I also like, it's like, oh, Angela, your reads are wrong.

[00:53:52] Stop putting Rick and D in a terrible position and just relax. I will say her in the egg costume is really funny. I'm really enjoying the season. I love the coverage that you're doing, Taron. Rob, you're killing the game. Hopefully we do this again with me in the Big Brother house and then, you know, you guys covering me doing well. But now I'm really enjoying the season. I'm hoping that, honestly, while I hate to say this because, you know, I'll probably message Drew if he gets evicted.

[00:54:18] But I kind of want a Drew eviction here and hoping for a Melody or Mallory because Melody is another person I didn't touch up on. Kind of has Brittany Haynes upside. I think her diary rooms have been really, really, really good. I don't remember the last time that they just let someone just go off and call people bitches in the diary room. So I really love that from Melody. So, yeah, I think Yash is going to win if it's not D or Rick. That's my hot take. Clip this if it happens.

[00:54:47] Yes, clip it if it happens. I'm the first alumni to give them their flowers. Jason, I'm so sad that Jason got evicted. Jason was beads gold. Jason was great. I wish Jason did drag in front of Kamlo. That would have been cinema. But Selena S. Titties will be a legend regardless. It already is. Yep. All right. Well, this is so fun to catch up with you. And what else do you have going on this summer?

[00:55:18] Nothing much, Rob. I'm kind of just hiding and just camping out, waiting to see if there is God pops back up doing stuff one of these days. I'm excited for Survivor 51, the open era. The open era. So I'm excited to talk about that with you eventually. So, yeah, nothing much, Rob. Yeah. I had something else that's good to ask you and I can't remember what it was. Let me see if it comes back to me by the end of the podcast. Taryn, anything else that we should be on the lookout for this week?

[00:55:49] I think at this point, the main thing is will they decide to evict Melody or Lyric in the event that I almost called him Rizzo, that Drew wins the blockbuster? I feel like they would lean toward Melody. But with all this stuff happening around Lyric, there is certainly a chance that things flip on her. So I'd say stay tuned for that.

[00:56:18] But outside of that, I think it really is just kind of like we're just going to sit on our thumbs and wait for the next H.O.H. Yeah. I have no real rooting interest in this eviction coming up this week. The bad news is somebody I like is going to go home. The good news is two people I like are going to stay. So I'm trying to look at the glass two-thirds full. I wanted to ask you, Rizzo, who's more likely to shout you out in the diary room this season? Will it be Rick Devins or will it be D?

[00:56:47] Oh, that's a good question. I'm going to be honest. Rick has been showing me a lot of love. Yeah, probably not Angela. Rick's been showing me a lot of love. Shout out to my guy RizGod in the RizGod squad. I know. Oh, my God. That'd be amazing. R-I-Z-G-O-D. No, I think Rick is more likely to shout me out because Rick's been really kind to me on the feeds. I mean, D's mentioned me a couple times, but I'm expecting a R-I-Z-G-O-D somewhere. Okay. We'll see.

[00:57:15] Well, Rob, before you sign us out, I think it would be a disservice to the fans if we didn't bring this up really briefly. Yes. So we've infamously assembled the Survivor Mogvengers where you and I were a part of it. I want to know, or the fans want to know, how do you rate your mogging in that video? And who do you think mogged the hardest? So I got my son to help me with this.

[00:57:41] He said he found the actual video that he said he came across the actual video of the, what he said it was the streamer university. That's, he said, dad, this is the video that Rizzo was making. And I would say that I think the person, I think who obviously present company excluded, the person who mogged the hardest, I'm going to say it was Xander. Okay. I like that. This guy knows what he's doing. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:58:08] No, he was, he, he definitely, actually, I, my, my stance is Charlie, mogged the hardest. Charlie put up a generational performance. Shout out my fellow enemy from season 50, Charlie Davis. Love the guy. Taren, is anybody doing any good feed mogging these days? No, because Rome left. Yes, that's true. That's true. After he took all the aura points. Rome, Rome, Rome just walked around with a constant mog on his face. And they would zoom in on him. Yeah, I guess it's right.

[00:58:39] Yep. All right. It's right. At least he has some niche polls that he can talk to about. Yeah, check it out on Rizzo's TikTok. Is that your preferred canvas TikTok? Yeah, I think the TikTok is the more funnier stuff. Like, Instagram is just more about update photos with me and my life. So, but TikTok is where the peak comedy is. Okay. Follow Rizzo there. Anything else you want to tell people to check out? No, honestly, I love you guys. If you guys know where to find me, it's RizGod34 on all my socials.

[00:59:08] And that's about it. What's the 34? Just my high school number, Rob. Nice. I grew up playing sports and 34 was my number. For what reason? I don't know. I just really liked it. I was the vision before 6'7". I was 3'4". Okay. All right. All right. Rizzo, thank you so much. Always a treat. Taren, what's coming up for you? We got the round table. We got a live feed update coming up. All that good stuff. Okay.

[00:59:36] Rizzo, pass the phone as the house guest did. Who should we talk to next from Survivor 50 about D and Rick in the Big Brother house? Hmm. Okay. This is a good one. Who do I think would be good and who would be a good get? Actually, you know what? I'm passing the phone to my fellow finale partner in Tiffany Nicole Urban. Okay. All right. That's a good call. All right. Thank you so much for joining us. Plenty more to come. Roundtable on Monday night.

[01:00:05] And of course, all of the rest of the Big Brother content throughout the week. Take care. Everybody have a good one. Bye.