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[00:02:39] No!
[00:02:40] I can't...I cannot.
[00:02:43] This...from be trade and now I'm...what the?
[00:02:47] Wow.
[00:02:48] I'm a sand boy right now, you don't even understand it.
[00:02:52] Hello! How's it going?
[00:02:54] Oh, oh, it's a whole new stratosphere right now speaking to you.
[00:02:59] I've watched you...this is crazy.
[00:03:02] This is crazy to me right now.
[00:03:04] I'm a...I am a speechless middle-aged man right now.
[00:03:09] Well, you are here due to the betrayer as a labeled him.
[00:03:17] Yes!
[00:03:18] How are you feeling right now about VVick?
[00:03:22] VVick is still...yeah, he's of course going to be on my mind.
[00:03:26] I'm conflicted because I don't like being an angry or a sad person and he uses the source of both of those things.
[00:03:32] I'm really trying hard to separate game here, but it was...it was just beyond.
[00:03:38] And I don't understand why he needed to do what he did.
[00:03:41] Yeah, I think it's one of those things where it's like...
[00:03:43] Like you get game, but when the game doesn't make sense, you're like...
[00:03:48] Come on, though!
[00:03:50] I offered you...I offered you all of this.
[00:03:54] Who got into your ear and convinced you otherwise?
[00:03:57] I...as a fan want to know that.
[00:03:59] Yeah, I mean, it definitely anthonyms.
[00:04:03] Yeah, we all know that.
[00:04:05] Yeah, I'll try.
[00:04:08] So, I mean, let's talk a little bit about anthony because obviously you're a fan.
[00:04:12] You know, you come into the game. There's two returning players, especially if one of them is anthony Douglas.
[00:04:18] This is bad news.
[00:04:20] We talked about this a little bit at the start of the season.
[00:04:22] Like, what is the play if you're like a regular player here?
[00:04:26] Because not only are there two returning players, but they also have like immunity in the first week guaranteed H.O.H.
[00:04:31] It's stacked against you!
[00:04:33] It's stacked against you! How do you maneuver that? All you have to do now is sort of play possum.
[00:04:38] Appease to them and...I don't know if you can even lay low so that they can't gauge who you are, but he knew right off the bat.
[00:04:46] I'm a man of a certain age.
[00:04:48] The tactics that work on most of the people in this house will not be working on me.
[00:04:52] So, like, I'm already...without doing anything, I'm already a target because he's someone that you can't manipulate or he feels like he can't manipulate.
[00:05:00] Yeah, I mean, it really stacked against you.
[00:05:02] I can tell you right from like day one, like, one of the initial conversations Anthony and Spice he had was like...
[00:05:09] And this is probably our first target.
[00:05:11] And then, of course, you were immune that week when Spice he won.
[00:05:15] So yeah, I mean, they had their eye on you just, I think, from initial impressions.
[00:05:20] And, you know, rightfully so to some degree.
[00:05:23] Yeah, thank you for that!
[00:05:25] Yes, exactly. And that's why when it came to it, I had to win the Parabito.
[00:05:29] I know most of me wanted to win it just as a fan and I owed it to that fan inside of me.
[00:05:35] But yeah, safety, safety. Just keep winning safety really.
[00:05:39] Well, well, talk to me about that first power of Vito because you were safe.
[00:05:43] And it was kind of coming down to you and Janine.
[00:05:47] And this is where I feel like...
[00:05:49] Like, I had the most sort of disagreement with the call because it felt to me at the time like...
[00:05:55] You just let Janine win that one.
[00:05:57] That really throws a wrench into Anthony's plans.
[00:06:01] Yes, I could have easily gotten away with it because I was literally in the dark and I could have just stood by.
[00:06:07] But Terran, I'm telling you when I saw that comp, I knew exactly what to do.
[00:06:12] And that Dennis took over like, oh, this is one of those things that I've been studying.
[00:06:16] I know exactly...
[00:06:17] Like, you saw confidence in me.
[00:06:19] I didn't even rush easy going, Dennis, in and out.
[00:06:22] Like, it was...
[00:06:24] I thought to myself, I could easily throw it to her.
[00:06:26] But who would have gone up if she had won?
[00:06:29] Who would have gone up?
[00:06:30] I mean, that's probably me.
[00:06:31] Well, you were safe, right? Because...
[00:06:33] Oh my God, that's right.
[00:06:34] But who would have gone up?
[00:06:36] And that would have affected the game.
[00:06:38] We were still trying to understand if there was going to be a continuation of the entourage and what that meant.
[00:06:43] Like, it was just literally minute by minute.
[00:06:46] I know you trying to plan this game ahead of time.
[00:06:48] It was a minute by minute in there.
[00:06:50] Yeah.
[00:06:51] So, I think what we saw here...
[00:06:55] I know that there was a lot of conversation this week about like, like, Ghana and what she might have said
[00:07:01] about you going after Anthony.
[00:07:05] And from my perspective at least, we only have the daily's.
[00:07:09] We don't have the live feeds.
[00:07:11] I would definitely put more of the blame on spicy.
[00:07:15] Spicy has been the one telling Anthony everything from get go.
[00:07:19] Like, every person I've talked to, I've been like, to spicy, huh?
[00:07:24] I'm learning that quickly.
[00:07:26] I'm not surprised but I'm surprised at the how much as I continue this day.
[00:07:33] I'm not surprised.
[00:07:35] I'm not surprised.
[00:07:36] She was always...
[00:07:37] She's chaotic. She's known for being chaotic.
[00:07:39] And I thought that was going to be something I could use against her because she would just burn out or implode, which the girls are doing right now.
[00:07:47] But it was always in the back of my mind how much can you trust her?
[00:07:50] There were moments sitting just at the dinner table where she would look at me.
[00:07:54] Like, what's that look about?
[00:07:56] There's something beyond that look.
[00:07:59] There's something going on here that I'm not privy to.
[00:08:01] I felt like there was a mole amongst the girls because that caused a lot of paranoia amongst them.
[00:08:07] And I'm now kind of piecing things together that it might be hard, actually.
[00:08:12] I knew that had to be not an alliance but they would work together.
[00:08:17] I don't know if they did that pregame.
[00:08:19] I don't know what the extent of it was.
[00:08:21] They had to work together.
[00:08:22] They were all stars and they were targets.
[00:08:24] It had to be... I didn't know the depth of it.
[00:08:26] Yeah.
[00:08:27] I know that you talked to Avery and she explained part of her reasoning for not wanting to keep you this week was just like,
[00:08:35] you're like, you're a big threat.
[00:08:37] Like I could keep you now but then I have to deal with you later.
[00:08:41] What did you think of that reasoning?
[00:08:43] Understandable.
[00:08:45] But I thought we had something more and I had a gut feeling about her and I was speaking to VVic about it.
[00:08:50] Avery just doesn't sit well with me and I don't know.
[00:08:53] I don't know if she got a little too cocky when she won Safety this week even in the hell she's been acting a little...
[00:08:59] Not arrogant but a little cocky.
[00:09:01] Something didn't sit right.
[00:09:03] I was like, oh, this is beyond the query.
[00:09:07] It was the little thing that we wanted to do.
[00:09:09] You're thinking game, you're going to be ruthless.
[00:09:11] And if I stayed in the house she would definitely be on my mind.
[00:09:13] She would definitely be someone to put up as a replacement.
[00:09:16] Like, oh so you're playing the game.
[00:09:18] We're no longer friends or this alliance.
[00:09:20] Cool.
[00:09:21] I could totally respect that.
[00:09:22] I don't respect what VVic did but I can understand where Avery was coming from.
[00:09:26] At least she was honest and told me.
[00:09:29] I know that from my perspective, Bailey was the one that served...
[00:09:34] That was there to benefit the most from you staying because she's in the most precarious position.
[00:09:42] I feel like right now.
[00:09:44] And I know she wanted to but of course she's working with these women who have other things going on and they're convincing her.
[00:09:50] Like no, no, no.
[00:09:52] How do you feel about Bailey's spa right now?
[00:09:55] Bailey was emotional a lot and it happened very quickly.
[00:10:01] It happened very quickly and she kind of pointed a target on her back as an emotional person.
[00:10:08] Again, I see that as something to use.
[00:10:10] I can weaponize that.
[00:10:12] Reliability.
[00:10:13] I still felt good with her.
[00:10:15] Yeah, our conversation's in she could talk and she understood the game but she was stealing fear and she knew that.
[00:10:21] Just operating in fear.
[00:10:23] She was indebted to Dougie for whatever reason I was still trying to figure out why because we had...
[00:10:31] Terran, we had the votes to keep her in and the VVitor did not make sense so there was something else going on that I didn't know about.
[00:10:40] You didn't need to do anything.
[00:10:42] You didn't need to be feeling unsafe.
[00:10:44] We had the numbers to keep you in.
[00:10:46] She's emotional and sporadic.
[00:10:49] Yes.
[00:10:50] And yeah, the votes were there and it's just...
[00:10:53] It's so hard to figure out exactly what spice you would have done but there were of course bigger alliances in order to keep...
[00:11:03] In order to get rid of Goose they would have needed to break this alliance called the Directors that they had with Goose and Matt.
[00:11:10] Which I think they might have been willing to do.
[00:11:14] But yeah, it was a bit of a...
[00:11:19] Goose named that alliance by the way.
[00:11:23] Wow, you know what?
[00:11:25] Awesome, awesome because that man does not leave what he does in the house does not reflect whatever that you just told me is.
[00:11:33] Wow, right for him.
[00:11:36] Can I ask about Anthony's goodbye message?
[00:11:41] There's been a bit of buzz about it.
[00:11:43] How do you feel about Anthony's goodbye message?
[00:11:45] How do you feel about it?
[00:11:47] I mean listen, I'm not you so I don't have like...
[00:11:50] I'm not being attacked but I thought it was fun personally.
[00:11:53] It's good TV.
[00:11:55] He knows what he's doing.
[00:11:56] This is not his first rodeo.
[00:11:58] He knows what he's doing.
[00:11:59] The same way when I say I'll burn this house down.
[00:12:01] I knew what was happening there as well.
[00:12:04] But it does come off a little admitted, a little arrogant.
[00:12:07] Yes.
[00:12:09] It seems the way the message is and it's edited of course that he's operating inside of a vacuum which he is not.
[00:12:15] This is not all you're doing.
[00:12:17] You have just like in season seven minions around you.
[00:12:21] This is not just you're doing.
[00:12:23] If you want to own it, like for me only honestly I had a group of people I got into that...
[00:12:28] Like to say that this was not just you.
[00:12:31] This was all of us helping you accomplish all three of these goals, the pattern as I call it.
[00:12:37] So it did come off just a little arrogant.
[00:12:41] Yes.
[00:12:42] Arisa asked you who you thought would win.
[00:12:44] You said Tola why do you think that is?
[00:12:49] Again it's showing me that a lot of the total was being shown.
[00:12:54] That man was a target day one and has escaped the block consistently.
[00:13:00] And through that his social game in the house, not a lot of people are probably two has changed.
[00:13:06] He's done so well.
[00:13:07] And him and I day one understood each other's minds just he went around the house looking at please try to find clues.
[00:13:14] And I clocked in on that and called him out.
[00:13:16] So there was that connection and every time we spoke it would be briefly we would acknowledge each other's
[00:13:21] and this week I started getting a deeper connection with him.
[00:13:26] And my last ditch effort to get votes away from the girls that the girls weren't supporting me they were against me so it's going to go to the guys.
[00:13:33] And I passed it through them like listen, I need your rational mind right now.
[00:13:38] Is this pitch that I'm going to give you sound appealing?
[00:13:41] So I knew there's a rational line and this is a marathon and not a sprint and that man will last.
[00:13:46] Although I've been hearing about a curse.
[00:13:51] Is it is a curse?
[00:13:53] Gaming him is in danger again.
[00:13:56] So Janine when asked by Rissa said Donna was going to win the game Donna said you and now you have said to
[00:14:03] I mean if I'm part of that curse, it's awesome.
[00:14:06] Listen, there's another curse that you might like a little a little bit better.
[00:14:10] This is specific to RHAP but we do a draft and you were on Puyah's draft team along with Janine and Donna.
[00:14:24] So three people out three of his draft team gone.
[00:14:28] The fourth person on his draft team.
[00:14:30] I'm sorry Puyah, I want that.
[00:14:40] Oh my god, you can tire back on the curse.
[00:14:44] So the curse is real.
[00:14:47] Yeah, back up just about the curse is real.
[00:14:49] I hope that's up to distracting whatever just went on there.
[00:14:52] Wow, oh Puyah but does Puyah do this every year?
[00:14:55] Like is he the curse consistently every year?
[00:14:58] He did have the double grenade and survivor once but you know he's off and on.
[00:15:03] Well Puyah, I need to speak to you afterwards.
[00:15:05] I don't appreciate this curse.
[00:15:08] I'm going to blur my background because that is just you don't need to see what's going on there.
[00:15:13] Alright well Dennis thank you so much for talking with me.
[00:15:16] No problem.
[00:15:17] Thank you Tarrad.
[00:15:18] It was awesome.
[00:15:24] Okay round two name something that's not boring.
[00:15:28] Laundry?
[00:15:29] Oh a book club.
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