BB28 Wednesday Live Feed Update September 23, 2026

[00:00:10] [SPEAKER_00] Armstrong talk big brother looking at the stuff from yesterday All the drama, all the strategy and silliness from Fido to HOH You know he is the reason, you know what's happened Rob said that he could do it, tomorrow he will do it again

[00:00:43] [SPEAKER_01] Hello everyone and good morning Welcome to our live feed update for September 23rd I'm your host Aaron Armstrong and I'm here today to update you on everything that happened yesterday The Big Brother 28 Live Feeds It was day 78 in the house And we had a veto competition, a final four veto competition

[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_01] And we had some pitches, some uncertainty and a lot to talk about In terms of who will make it to the final three, who should make it to the final three And all kinds of stuff going on there And with me to talk about it is Mari, how you doing Mari?

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_03] Hey Taryn, back like I never left Yes, I'm so glad to be here to talk about this veto outcome And all of these possible scenarios

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_01] Scenarios, indeed All right, well let's get right into it Of course, there's actually a lot to talk about Taylor, of course, is the final four HOH She nominated Drew and Dee Though everyone knows that the nominations don't really matter She does start the day kind of talking to the cameras And, and we had talked yesterday about like What are Taylor's true intentions?

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_01] And we got like Definitely a lot of confirmation here in the morning If we hadn't gotten it already I don't remember when it was I don't remember if we got confirmation the night before or not I just remember talking about it I think we didn't because I think we were like speculating She says, Devin's needs to go this week He is, he's just, he's trying to pretend like he has no Yeah, we definitely did not know whether she wanted Devin's out for sure But we suspected

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_01] We suspected That, uh, Devin's is trying to pretend like he's got no votes on the jury But he absolutely does Everyone knows he wins if he makes it there Like, come on now Uh, so We know now that Taylor Wants Devin's out Despite having not nominated him

[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah, yeah And it was so funny because like Everything that we were like speculating on the round table We were like, oh, no, she I was like, if she wants Drew out, fine She, she did not want Drew out She, she adamantly wants Devin's Go on this round So that was kind of funny

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_01] Hmm So, uh, Dee talks to Taylor And Taylor says that, uh, quite frankly She's not sure that she has much of a chance in the end And this is like every conversation Between every person Uh, but she's like, I think, I know I have Lala The reason I'm bringing it up is because I think that Taylor's read on the jury Is actually somewhat accurate Uh, at least when it comes to herself Uh, she says, I know I have Lala But I'm honestly not sure I've even got Yash

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_01] Because he's such a gamer And he didn't really respect my game Uh, and According to his exit interviews It's maybe true Um, they both agree though That Devin's is the biggest threat in the game Both in the jury and in competitions And Dee says that if they manage to get Devin's out this week She is definitely taking Taylor To the final two Um, Taylor also thinks Drew could win He's like Dr. Will

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_01] That's his hero Uh, he's talked about it before That he literally put a Dr. Will quote in his yearbook Uh, or whatever Um, and look at him, he's kind of played a Dr. Will game

[00:04:31] Uh... Quite

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_01] Um... Yeah, but the point is Taylor, I think, like I said Somewhat accurate read on where Yash might go Of course, she's also pitching it to somebody else Um, and... And Dee and Taylor continuing to Continuing to promise each other That they'll take each other To the final two

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah, yeah, and This feels like this is the truth between the two of them It feels, yeah, more truthy Than some of the other conversations that are had throughout the day

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_01] I agree I agree I put the most detail into it Because the other conversations I said, Taylor also talks to Devens about the jury She also talks to Drew about the jury Dee and Devens also talk about the jury And it's all just like Well, I think I might have these people But I'm probably gonna lose to everyone Oh, but I think I might have these people Oh, but yeah, I'd probably lose Uh, and...

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_03] Might be a toss-up Oh, yeah, between us

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01] It's like, it's close That's the one Um, it's all the same conversation And none of them particularly matter in the context of the day Because It's gonna matter more once the veto is played and won So... We should get there The final four veto Now, uh, remember again Now that we know Taylor wants Devens out Uh, the question is

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_01] Can she get him out if she wins the veto? Who is willing to take Devens out of the game? We know from Dee's camera talk She's maybe not willing to do it at final four Uh, Devens not gonna evict himself And... Drew Uh... Baby boy Drew Daddy Devens Like, what if he's not willing to do it? So, uh... Taylor needs to give if she wins the veto Somebody the vote

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_01] Who would it be? It seems like she's leaning Drew Uh, at the very least that she's talking about Like, potentially How can I convince Drew To take out Devens? Um, but... Who knows? She'll try We'll see it We would... We would see if it worked Uh, if Devens wins We're not entirely sure It seems as though he might cut Drew Uh, and take D to the final three And then cut D later Same as Dee Who would cut Drew And take Devens to the final three And cut him later But not necessarily

[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_01] He hasn't outright said that to the cameras Um, and then there's Drew Who knows he can't beat Devens Has told Melody That he thinks he should take D to the final two Mm-hmm But it's also his dad

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_03] Uh... He specifically asked Melody Yeah If you go out this week Who do you want to follow you? And after she joked and said him She... She said Devens

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01] Exactly So... We have quite a... A plethora of options here They go to play in the veto competition And when they come back When the feeds come back Drew Drew Has won The final four Power Of veto It was A typical, it seems Final four power of veto Something about cranking something

[00:08:02] [SPEAKER_01] Uh... To answer Day's questions Something physical Plus days And... According to them Drew Got every question right Uh... Like he... He nailed it on his first try Whatever... Whatever it is Uh... And he won the final four Power of veto And that means That Drew Is joining Taylor In the final three And only one of D or Devens Can join them One of the survivors

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_01] Will finally Not survive Uh... If I still have No matter what One of the two survivors Has to unsurvive But for real this time Un... It's not a... Did he say unsurvive?

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_04] Unsurvive

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_03] That's funny Yeah Exactly An icon will be evicted It is actually wild To think that Uh... We are actually gonna get a Two newbies Versus one icon Um... Uh... Final three here When for the longest time It was really looking like Almost guaranteed That both of the survivors Would be sitting in the final two So... Again, we get another scenario

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_03] That is The most Uh... You know, nerve wracking Because... I... I don't... I don't know Where Drew's going I don't know If Drew knows where he's going I mean, we're gonna definitely Talk about it There is definitely Inclinations throughout the day And stuff like that But it's just funny Because we do get confirmation By both Devins and D After the veto is played That... We would've... I would've easily cut Drew And I would've tried to get

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_03] I would've... They both individually said I would've taken D To the final three I would've taken Devins To the final three And then I would've Just tried to cut them At the final two So... This is the outcome Where it's the most like... Up in the air

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_01] At every step of the way We keep getting The most interesting outcome It seems Uh... And... You know... I think I saw Ren in the chat Like... Kinda... This kinda proves that Voting Yash out over D Really was The right move for... For Drew here I mean... He was able to win Both the final five And final four vetoes

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_01] And... If Yash was here For both of them For either of them I don't know that he does You know what I mean? Like... This was exactly What he was hoping To accomplish By taking Yash out of the game That he would be able To win these competitions And... He is... Uh... You know? So... Uh... I think... That one at least Put the stamp of approval on it If you hadn't already

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_03] And again... I don't think it was ever Should... Should have... Should Drew have evicted Yash? I think that's why Everybody was like Should Melody have put Yash up? Type thing, you know? Because... It... It's good for Drew's game Wasn't necessarily good for Melody's game Yada yada yada We all said Getting Yash out There was The ultimate game You know? I mean... She... She herself didn't have A lot of good options But getting Yash out

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_03] Was... Was the move He... Could have easily won All of these It would have just been Yash winning Instead of Drew winning Yeah

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_01] So Drew is... Uh... He goes up to the gym By himself He brings in Melody's phone Uh... And he's... He's just crying To himself He's made it Uh... And... He... He picks up the phone Yo Melody What's up? I just won the veto I made the final three I'm sorry I couldn't do it a week earlier

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_01] I wish you were still here And now... I'm sitting with the decision That I have to pick between Devin's and Dee Two of your favorite people I know what you want me to do I just don't know if I can do it Anyways... I guess I made it to finale night I guess I'll see you around

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_03] Things that will absolutely make it on the episode for 2000, Alex I was like... I'm... I'll give it to him That was good That was straight out of a John Hughes movie That was straight... Straight cinema I will give that to Drew It was... It was good I was like... Yeah... I mean... You have to give it to him That was great And I don't think... I mean... Some people say it was performative Forced... I honestly think he was experiencing

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_03] some emotion there I really do think he is... You know... It's a whole bunch of stuff You make it to finale Now you gotta pick between two people that you wanted to make it to finale with All of that You know what I'm saying? Like... It was cute I did like it

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah... And... It's telling us where he's at at the moment or at least where... You know... Part of where he's at Which is he knows what Melody wants Which is theoretically what he should do But he doesn't know if he can do it Yeah... And I wanna quickly dive into sort of like... My analysis I made a tweet After this happened I was... In the middle of getting a haircut at the time It happens man!

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_01] I gotta occasionally do things Yeah... Wasn't as bad as BB25 when Corey's yelling at Jared in the have not room While I'm getting a haircut

[00:14:06] Wait...

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_01] But... But I tweeted this out because here... This is my thought immediately And we talked a little bit about this yesterday with AJ I think that... I think there really is like... There's one move here for Drew And I think it's evicting Devins I do... Obviously there is an argument to be made that he should keep Devins if he wants to guarantee himself a final two spot Right? Like...

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_01] If he evicts Devins Dee and Taylor will take each other to the final two Which is probably true And that he has to win the final three HOH if he wants to win the game And yes... Again... That's probably true The argument on the other side is if you take out Devins you've made the big move or sorry... If you then... Sorry... The argument on the other side is if you keep Devins then you guarantee yourself final two

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_01] because Taylor won't take Devins she'll take you and Devins is promising he'll take Drew and he might as well because he beats anybody anyway So... You basically guarantee yourself final two by keeping Devins Here's the problem I see with this, right? By... By... By putting yourself in a situation where you need to win by cutting Devins or by putting yourself in a situation where you like... You get taken no matter what The problem is

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_01] it's not about being taken, right? It's not about being in the final two It's about winning in the final two And... Like let's look at the reality of the situation where it's Devins still in the game He cuts Dee He takes Devins I can already hear Yash in the jury house

[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_02] Come on bro! Mm-hmm

[00:15:57] [SPEAKER_01] You took out me because I'm a bigger competitor You took out me because I was too big of a threat to win comps and then you kept Devins over Dee Daddy Devins Oh boy baby Drew And... And I think that's the sentiment of probably everyone Like you really kept Devins over Dee That's wild And we had...

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_03] And then Melody Melody being like I told him to evict Devins I told him

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_01] I told him you can't beat him And he didn't do it So he goes to the final three And if he loses to Devins He loses the game whether or not Drew takes He takes Drew, right?

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_03] Oh yeah, automatically

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_01] The only edge you're getting is that what if Taylor wins? She would take Drew over Devins That's the only edge over the other scenario, right? But number one it requires Taylor to win the final three HOH And that means she needs to beat one of Drew or Devins at part one or part two both of which will be pretty difficult for her Not impossible by any means

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_03] Not impossible We've seen it We've seen harder

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_01] But she's the least likely person by a decent amount to win if she's facing both Drew and Devins And then even if she does win that final three HOH She cuts Devins and takes Drew meaning she gets all the credit for cutting Devins Drew never does And she probably just beats him, no? Like, how does Drew win in the end if he had his one shot at Devins didn't take it but Taylor who won the final four HOH

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_01] forcing D out of the game and then won the final three HOH evicting Devins and taking Drew I think she definitely gets Yasha's vote at that point I think she definitely gets Barrett's vote at that point Who knows? Well, she could get Melody's vote at that point Maybe not, but who knows? And, you know, I think that like I think that she just wins, right? And so what that means is if that's a correct analysis because baby boy Drew never took his shot

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_01] then Drew has to win the final three HOH at the final three

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_03] and then cut Devins

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_01] and cut Devins That's the way he wins He cuts Devins, he takes Taylor and he wins the game Okay, so you know, he can still win if he evicts D here it just he just has to win the final three HOH But if you'll notice we're right back to where we started He needs to win HOH in both scenarios So the real difference here is that in one scenario he's he's competing against D and Taylor

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_01] and in the other scenario he's competing against Devins and Taylor Devins who has won a bunch of comps recently D, who the last time she won a competition was pre-jury at the medieval twist Hmm And prior to that she had won an HOH that three people threw to her Oh yeah And prior to that she won the first HOH

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_01] where she was one of three competitors I agree And she had to have Yash and Jason tell her what to do in a puzzle

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_03] Yeah, exactly It's, it's no matter what Drew is in a position where he should win he needs to win And it's just the competition around you You make the competition easier You know, you get Devins out here I I Yeah, I I've always thought I think I said it on the round table I don't know if Drew can evict Devins to his face Um, but it's like

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_03] you'll have to either way you'll have to because drawing dead you're drawing dead if you do not if you don't cut Devins here and Devins wins and even if Devins takes you or Taylor takes you you're drawing dead like, take your shot like, take your shot just, just take your shot take Devins out and then bank on yourself It's the final three

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_01] Yeah, I agree I think I think that's just that just is what the like, if you really boil it down the only benefit of keeping Devins is the small chance that it doesn't punish you enough in the jury that you can still beat Taylor even though she wins the final three H to H and cuts Devins herself which also requires her to win the final three H to H in the first place which she is not as likely to do and on the other side of things

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_01] you give yourself I think a significant edge to win the final three H to H yourself with Devins is eviction on your resume with a really good chance to win the game in the final two I really feel like the scales balance pretty heavily in one direction you know I just think that it just you have to you have to do it but he could still win the final three H to H either way and it wouldn't matter

[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_01] it's just it'd be a lot harder

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_03] Delaying the inevitable making it harder on yourself and then delaying the inevitable

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_01] he'd be not evicting Devins just to have to beat him again and then evict him at the final three Taylor talks to the cameras she says Drew needs to evict Devins if he wants a chance of winning she says that she thinks Angela would vote for Drew if he did this she thinks Barrett and Melody would both vote for Drew if he did this she thinks Yash and even Devins would she thinks Drew's gonna win this game she's and she's called it she's called it for a while

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_01] she thinks Drew's gonna win this game especially if he makes this move so I think we can we can certainly add Taylor to the list of the potential true jury votes if he's sitting there next to D after cutting Devins or at least potentially D talks to the cameras they're all talking to the cameras by the way everybody has a has a turn talking to the cameras after this result

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_01] so when Drew was on the phone Devins came in and congratulated him on and D noticed that Devins went up there to talk to Drew she's like ah Devins already getting to work I know I need to do the same I just she says I need to emphasize to Drew that Devins is a stronger competitor that he will for sure win in the end and I gotta try to use the fact that Taylor didn't nominate him as like hey that means something even though

[00:22:44] [SPEAKER_01] I did tell Taylor to do that

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_04] yeah

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_01] let me tell you let me tell you audience you know you come here every morning you hope for for good information for good predictions and I I've just been crushing it this season come on

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_03] look at you you feeling yourself arms out

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_01] did anybody see a single soul predicting this other than me yesterday come on look at you look at you you feeling it alright Jared okay no genuinely I I feel like I'm very proud of the updates this season I feel like I have I have been I've been I've like sort of like really honed in I feel like I've been more attentive

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_01] I've missed less things obviously I can't get everything everything and I haven't gotten everything and I've made mistakes and I've missed things but I'm very proud of my my coverage I've like you know I think every year I try like more and more I try to I get you know try even harder to get as much as possible and it's been it's been a tough one but but I've been very proud of like

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_01] a lot of the calls that I've made I think I've really I've been really tapped in this season

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_03] especially in a season where truly expect the unexpected has never felt more apt where it's just like just the craziest things are happening and you it's been very unpredictable

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_01] you know yeah and you know what I think I think the fact that the fact that at some point in the season every single player stand base has been mad at my coverage is another great example of me doing well this season because I'm like occasionally like reading reading messages of people like man I'm annoyed at

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_01] today's podcast and then someone else will be like he's so pro Drew right? so annoying and then the person's like oh no I actually felt the opposite he was too anti-Drew and it's like oh

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_03] it was exactly that like everybody has everybody was reading things differently and stuff like that and it's just like it's big brother y'all calm down please please anyway

[00:25:32] [SPEAKER_01] I will I will stop tooting my own horn here too much stop glazing yourself

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_03] Taren stop glazing yourself Taren

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_01] I am the Julius Caesar I won't say I'm the Drake because come on Yash right

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_02] even you know

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_01] yesterday I mentioned that the feeds were not on during D and Taylor's talk but that I suspected that this was potentially something coordinated that D had wanted Devins off the block for this very purpose right? and so apparently that is what happened that D said to Taylor that she wanted Drew and herself on the block to leave Devins off the block she plans to use that as like even just the perception

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_01] of Devins being off the block helps aid this idea of him being untouchable and has been untouchable all season long so she wants to use that she wants to present Devins as the emotional choice you keep Devins that's the emotional choice taking me is the logical choice I think that's also very smart and typically when it's framed in that way

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_01] no matter how difficult the choice is the player will always choose the logical choice the danger when phrased with an emotional choice versus a logical choice is that the emotional choice has these like tendrils you know they just start like like in the Resident Evil movie which is great they like just like and the emotional choice will start infecting the logical choice and trying to convince

[00:27:28] [SPEAKER_01] the logical choice that actually the logical choice is the emotional choice like if you if you really think about it exception you know because like oh it feels good to choose the emotional choice so if my logic bends this way maybe it could make sense so making sure there's a clear distinction there's a logical choice there's an emotional choice if you can make that distinction made if you can make that distinction clear then you know

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_01] it's it can be very effective she says that Drew's gonna have to prove to people that he played the game for himself and not for Devins which I think is very true and she says now is not my time I'm not leaving yet I I I don't I don't believe it

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_03] yeah I don't I don't feel it um I will say also that emotional choice like I said with Taylor's sometimes it's just the way people make you feel and the one thing that I could see Drew thinking especially when we get to some of the conversation from later on in the night is would I rather lose to Devins or would I rather lose to Taylor or D because that is also something that like ego wise for a young man could be something

[00:28:44] [SPEAKER_03] to take into consideration um like losing to Devins would be much better than losing to Taylor or D you like the old Cody you know Cody Califiori's first first run so I yeah I I that's why it's like it feels like it can it can still go either way and you know if that's what how Drew's feeling that's how Drew's feeling

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_01] right and and the hope is to again to portray that as emotional right because it is like who would I rather lose to uh where logically it's like even if you think that even if there's a small amount of hope that you have more of a chance over here that's the logical choice um Devins also talks to the cameras roughly at the same time by the way which is very fun uh D is downstairs Devins upstairs they're both talking to the cameras about

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_01] how they plan to pitch to Drew uh and Devins is upstairs well I blew it so I don't get to decide my own fate through comps so now the bright side is I don't ever have to turn on D that would have been really hard but now it's up to the social and strategic game to convince Drew to take me to the final even though I've won a lot more comps than D and I've had a lot more impactful moves

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01] than D and she'll be arguing hard too and she's great at this so I don't want to push too hard let them enjoy it let them know you care we have a strong relationship to build this on I need to push the right buttons which is that D and Taylor will take each other to final two and that nobody can beat D in the final two and part of that will be that if he pulls the rug out from under me now I won't vote for him

[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_01] but I'll say that in a nice way uh you know what I'm gonna keep fighting until it's over uh and then he sits there in silence and starts crying eventually just letting it out um and and this is it's so interesting to see the different methods right uh between D and Devins uh Devins is right he has much a much stronger relationship

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_01] to build from and he also has a logical point probably his best logical point which is D and Taylor will take each other um but he also recognizes kind of that like it's not the right move right like where D is is operating from a place of truth Devins is operating from a place of like

[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_04] probably not the right idea to take me

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_01] but here's why you should anyway and Devins also this has been you know an interesting angle of Devins is across the season has not always been his most effective tactic a little bit of that threat in there a little bit of that part of the reason you lose is if you caught me I'm not voting for you to win in the end um and I think if he because he said he'd say it in a nice way

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_01] and he hasn't made his full pitch to Drew yet across the day he does make a pitch we'll talk about it I think if he explicitly mentions the threat in a way that is perceived as a threat I think he loses Drew I think he loses him 100% because because Drew remembers deeply when when Devins threatened to go nuclear on the commu vote and he hated it and so

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_01] I think Devins needs to be very careful about this line of reasoning I don't think it's a necessary component of his argument at all I think he needs to be very careful with it

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_03] I completely I completely agree listening to Devins sit there and talk the camp talk it was tugging on my heartstrings like Devins needs to play into that emotional aspect play it up as much as possible let's let's go get this father and son you know I would want to lose to you you know we you know we got it whatever whatever also I'm guaranteeing you you know I would never break my word to you

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_03] I would take you to the final two they won't you you cannot look them in the eye and they will tell you that and believe them and then the threat is just kind of undermines all of that right and even listening to Devins I was like I kind of want Devins to stay here you know I'm saying like he can do it if he if he really if he really could you know if he if he really tried laid laid it on thick with Drew

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_03] and I mean yeah we'll see I hope he really drops that because threatening I don't know if they do that on survivor all the time maybe like threatening jury votes but that is never a good tactic on BB like it nobody nobody likes to be threat it just makes you want to call their bluff

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_01] exactly so so D D talks about her pitch Devin talks about his pitch Taylor ends up joining D she says Drew needs to take out Devins he's like I know and they agree again they're both taking each other to final two and but Taylor has some very good points here she says first of all we cannot use the same arguments to Drew that would be very bad

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_01] so they kind of like get straight which arguments each of them will use when they talk to Drew and really like there's an argument to be made that Taylor should maybe not make an argument at all because that only reinforces the idea that she really wants D to stay potentially and it also undermines the whole point of like well she didn't put Devins up if D wants to try to paint it as like Devins and Taylor have a secret deal and then Taylor's trying to pitch for Devins to leave

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_01] that whole that whole facade goes away but at the same time you know Taylor may be needed to make some points that D can't and so Taylor does plan to just pitch it as hard as she can try to convince Drew to take out Devins and they keep talking for a while about about this about how to convince Drew to take out Devins how they're taking each other to the end and you know D just doing some normal D bonding stuff

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_01] and they end up going upstairs sharing some wine and it gets to the point where it's like you've kind of done your conversation

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_03] yeah break up yeah

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_01] you know like the huddle's over the huddle team because Devins walks in and Drew's on his way up as well and when Drew comes up Devins makes a point of it to be like oh yeah Drew the two of them were up here sharing wine and it's not the last time he's gonna mention that as well and this was just this was an unnecessary error I believe a potentially big one with D and Taylor

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_01] who not only upstairs together for so long but obvious but also like sharing wine like

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_03] yeah unforced error indeed like why aren't we like trying to get everybody together so they can stifle game talk you know not just this is bad this was really bad I was like Taylor and D and then their talks to Drew were also just not I mean like they could not give him reassurances that he needed so yeah like you said

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_03] I'm just waiting for you to bring that up because I was just like I don't know man I don't know

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_01] you're talking initially or like later in the night

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_03] later in the night yeah we'll get there yeah yeah we'll get there

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_01] so Drew does have an initial talk with D down in the bathroom and she's bringing up a couple of like trying to kind of slyly bring up a couple of points that will later be made more explicitly but one of them is like they're talking about the events of the season that's largely what this conversation is she's not planning to do a full pitch yet he's gonna hear the pitches tomorrow is the idea but you know they eventually do get pitches

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_01] but they're mostly talking about like what happened across the season drew asking questions about different moments where like you know different things were potentially happening and all that stuff and one of the things she talks about is like and there are some things I don't want to watch back like oof that veto meeting with Barrett like that was rough because she's trying to imply that like she's not gonna get Barrett's vote after she put her leg up on the couch and again

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_01] and I like the subtlety of this one later in the night she goes I don't have Barrett's vote did you see me put my leg up on the couch so she gets a little less subtle over time but she does that she understands that both her and Devins will need to make pitches he tells her it's a hard decision it will be a hard decision he wishes Taylor hadn't won HOH because he was planning to evict her and and that to me sounds like uh oh D

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_01] that's the kind of thing you say to the person you're planning to evict oh man it would have been so easy if she just hadn't won that HOH that changes everything good point but you know we'll see she says it's a matter of an emotional game emotional versus game move for him and he says yeah and she says it's the same thing she told Barrett Devins sweeps and so

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_01] just a small little pitch small little conversation to to Drew she does ask him if there's like a direction he's leaning and he's like with what? you know the decision and he says no not really he's gonna hear the pitches so I would say not the best start here for D right from what it feels like potentially

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_01] Drew also talks to Devins though another quicker conversation though it does last a while but there's like a quick pitch from Devins Devins says listen here's my here's my short pitch I'll I will talk more tomorrow but he and Taylor were up there sharing wine together like come on they're taking each other to the final two for sure I on the other hand I'm gonna take you

[00:39:56] [SPEAKER_01] 100% every time I don't want to lose to Taylor I think she beats us both I don't want to even give her that shot you know not to mention the fact that everyone's gonna lose to D Drew's like well when I lose to you too he's like all the more reason to take me over her you know like at least if you're gonna lose at least you have a better chance of making final two right and

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01] and that's a double-edged sword of an argument because you know it feels emotional but if he could tinge it with some logic of if you feel equally that you can't beat either one of us at least take the better shot at final two because you never know it's like what Devins I think should do and he's kind of done it a little bit is frame the jury vote as either anti icon or pro icon

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_01] so okay as though he and D are very similar to face off against oh

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_03] okay

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_01] that the only way Drew's really gonna win is if the jury's anti icon and if the jury's anti icon he beats both of them and wouldn't if you beat both of us wouldn't you rather be sitting next to you know number one rather be sitting next to me number two would you rather have the guaranteed spot at the end to receive to be the recipient of the anti icon sentiment which is I think a decent argument I don't think it's a true one but like

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_01] you know you can try to incept it as much as possible and again Devins he kind of skirts around it he doesn't pitch it in the way that I am he does mention that like hey you never know we'll see if they're anti icon or not and he also says like if you think you're gonna lose either way you might as well have a better chance sitting next to going to the final two but he doesn't quite connect those two things yeah he says yeah

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_03] for Devins he needs to harp on the like you're guaranteed final two if I stay you know what I'm saying like shh shh shh shh I think he's gonna do a little bit I think he's gonna do a little bit he has a very like thin like needle to thread and

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_03] maybe he'll he'll do it in his pitch today hopefully

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_01] yes so Drew says well listen and this is this is also potentially telling right because after Devins is like well wouldn't you rather be with me going to final two Drew's like well it's not like either of you have ever really done anything for me and Devins is like why that's not come on what about and Drew's like I mean maybe other than flipping the vote against Lyric like yeah that one

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_03] we did that for you

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_01] Devins tries to pitch the jury votes as Drew you would have Barrett and Melody and I would have Dee and Angela and then Taylor, Lala and Yash they would be the deciding votes they would be the deciding votes Drew's like well great the three people I nominated and Devins is like well but I also like I burned Yash twice Drew's like twice he's like yeah Kamu and outing the bribe like okay and like my you know I didn't have a great relationship

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_01] with Lala either so you know I don't know I might lose

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_03] the three people who have hated Drew all season

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_01] the three people who have specifically called Drew out for being baby boy to Devins daddy Devins like they are the exact three that would vote against Drew just for keeping Devins this week yeah so this is this is again this is where like Devins is getting too specific in my opinion like don't don't talk about like I've got these people you've got these people these people it's anti icon or it's pro icon that's all it is

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_01] but so he does that Drew says well he says Drew you can't afford to go to the end with Taylor Drew says well I agree with that like you know they both talk about like we wouldn't want to lose to Taylor like that right like that'd be and and Drew's like well I mean I'm gonna I'm gonna talk to her you know I expect her to try to convince me to take you out quite frankly

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_01] so we'll see what she has to say

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_03] do you think that's a smart argument though about like like to me what Devins is essentially trying to force Drew to do right now if you're saying oh you know you can't take Taylor then you're basically trying to force Drew to make his final two pick right now and as we outlined at the beginning I don't know if you want to do that force him to be like don't take me out now let's both compete for the final HOH then maybe

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_03] if you win you still have an option to take me out later but at least give me a shot like forcing making him think like now or never whoever you pick now is who you're going to the end with just doesn't seem good like

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_01] a hundred percent right like I you see what Devins is trying to do he's trying to make sure that Drew knows that he will take Drew to the final two by saying I would never choose Taylor Taylor beats us and I would never forgive myself if we lost to Taylor and he's trying to tap into Drew's anti Taylor sentiment which is a pretty powerful thing right and could could be if he's blind enough by it then it could work

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_01] but Mario you're completely correct like again by logic it makes no sense because what Devins is telling Drew is yes I won't take Taylor because she'll beat us but also therefore you shouldn't take Taylor because she beats you and if Drew knows or thinks or knows that he also loses to Devins then Devins is essentially making the case that I made

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_01] which is that if Drew makes it to final three with Devins and Taylor that he has to that he's like much less likely to win in a final two and his only move at that point would be to cut Devins and take Taylor at which point I do think he wins probably but Devins is basically saying you don't you can't take Taylor she beats you according to Devins his own argument like

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_01] Drew can't win at all if he brings Devins to the end now Devins is also arguing that D beats him so Devins is essentially making the case that Drew is screwed no matter what which then brings us back to like wouldn't you rather be guaranteed final two but like I don't think that's strong enough on its own you need to provide some kind of path to victory because no player is going to be happy making a choice that they think is doomed anyway

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_01] and so I do think there is again there's a flaw here for sure

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_03] yeah very much so very much so Devins could have said something to the effect of if you keep me now and then I keep you later you can pitch to the jury that the only reason why I am here is because of you and that you which means you beat me you know again makes no sense but it's still a little bit better than like you're trying to give him his own like pitch to the jury for keeping Devins instead of being like

[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_03] you're not gonna win buddy so just give me the money like what

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_01] and I think I think Drew is catching a little bit of this because it's around this point in the conversation where he goes Devins you know what happened in Big Brother 16 and I was like oh is it Derek and Cody like Derek took Cody to the end he's like no Cody took Derek but you know Taylor's no Victoria so it was different it's like it's clearly on Drew's mind

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_01] and Drew says it's kind of like I can try to win my way to the end or I can try to take someone that can win and take me and Devins is like yeah that could make sense and it's like we'll talk more tomorrow so the conversation kind of fizzles out from here but you know I would say this conversation also not the best conversation but it felt a bit better to me

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_01] than his conversation with D earlier and the fact that he's even having it as much as he is definitely seems like you know there's like it feels like he is at least considering this considering taking Devins to the final three though we don't know yet what he's you know actually planning to do

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_03] exactly and again I don't think Drew knows what he's gonna do I don't think he'll know until he stands up there on Thursday to be quite honest but yeah anyways sorry

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_01] Drew does talk to Taylor and I thought this was I thought this was actually one of the most interesting conversations he has of the pitches he receives and Drew says yeah I've got a big decision to make and either way it's a big move and Taylor goes either way he's like well you know one of them is gonna win the whole thing and the other is

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_01] like one of them is gonna win the whole thing yeah I'm happy you fucking know he goes yeah I mean it's pretty obvious she's like I was gonna say baby boy is smart he knows

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_03] this conversation this conversation Taryn was the one where I was like this is not good I love Taylor to death but Drew is not one of her little friends as she would know what I say what I mean by that and the way that she was talking to him in this conversation I was like this isn't doing you much favors like basically telling somebody like you're not stupid you know what to do you're not a dummy

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_03] cuz you know that would be a dummy move it's one of those things where it's so like like like it's so it wasn't combative I'm not gonna act like Taylor wasn't being combative when she was saying it she was just being herself it would be as if you were talking to a friend that knows like like a friend that you like to roast back and forth with they are not friends though right they aren't friends so this kind of like semi passive aggressive like man

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_03] you ain't dumb you're not dumb like that type of vibe I don't think that's gonna make like want drew to do what she says type thing you know I'm saying it's one of those things that if you're not that close to that person the person kind of wants to be like well screw you I can make this move and it still worked out for me type thing and it was yeah it was you know condescending patronizing yeah I just think it was just too comfortable

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_03] if that makes sense I think Taylor was just too comfortable she was talking to him like as if she was talking to D and her and D are much closer than her and drew so I just think it was just like it was just the wrong tone and tactic

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_01] that's interesting I do I agree that that is potentially the case but I I kind of felt like there was maybe a little progress made here

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_03] well you're right drew does like to be yelled at by women right

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_01] I wasn't gonna say it

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_03] you're right I forgot he had that step on me yeah

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_01] who was his flirt man's with you know what I mean like this is exactly the tone that melody took with him and in the conversation he actually says to Taylor you know melody told me that you're not like a bullshitter and I like like you know I kind of like that about you because that's exactly the tone that melody would take with him you're right but who knows right like it's very it's very interesting that we

[00:53:10] [SPEAKER_01] that we came away with slightly different interpretations of this so anyway she said he says I just don't think I beat any of you guys that's the thing I think it's kind of telling that this is his line coming off of his conversation with Devins now of course again you're obviously going to say this line regardless

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_04] yeah

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_01] sure but if you want to win that's how you win taking out Devins he goes I know I know there's going to be alcohol parade if one of them walks in net he says if one of them walks in again is like she says well if you're worried about sorry that's it was you worried about winning no sorry she said she says that again if you're worried about winning that's how you win and so they talk about votes and she says

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_01] well specifically she talks about Yash and again this is I believe this is true I think she has the right read on this through you would have Yash if you do the right thing like Yash would vote for you yeah if you don't I don't think he would she says and yeah maybe Devins will take you to the final two he probably would but that's you're just signing up for second place it's like yeah but can't D win the whole thing too sure as much as Devins

[00:54:26] [SPEAKER_01] it's like she goes over the votes like D does not have the votes like that not like Devins does and so then Drew asks the question that I think is again potentially telling in terms of where he might be leaning which is would you take me if I made this move and Taylor says I would take you what am I going to give 75k to a millionaire for

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_03] yes yeah and it was again I thought maybe I just I don't know if I feel like I know Taylor a little bit more I think she said the right thing I don't know if it was convincing I don't know if it convinced me you know I don't know

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_01] I agree I don't think that Taylor was convincing in terms of because similarly to how we talked about Devins's campaign has a flaw Taylor's campaign here also has a flaw it's very true it's leaning from a true place just like Devins's was you take me we both bring you the final two you take D you have to win but then if you go a little further like the logic doesn't pan out she's telling you the truth

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_01] you cut Devins you can win the game you don't cut Devins you probably can't win the game the only problem with Taylor being the one pitching that is that when Taylor says by cutting Devins you in the game she is implicitly telling him that obviously she then wouldn't take Drew to the final two she would take D to the final two exactly and so Drew kind of picks up on that and he asks the question would you take me and she says

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_01] what am I going to give 75k to a millionaire for which yeah I don't think is a very convincing rebuttal to that but she does try to pivot again she says listen it's game not personal and Devins Devins would be proud as fuck if you did this don't feel bad for doing something that Devins already does and wouldn't blink an eye to do again and I thought this was actually a great point because Devins has done this many times and

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_01] he should respect it if it's done to him right? and he says well yeah unless you guys don't take me to the end he says I would I would besides if D stays here you've already basically won the final three HOH like you're the better competitor and that is the another good argument

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_03] yeah

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_01] and that's the argument that I believe in as well like yeah I think he has a much better chance of winning the final three HOH but then something is brought up here and it's something that he keeps bringing up and and I keep getting confused by it Drew either is under the false impression that part three of the final three HOH is still the old version of it where he's actively lying to everyone every time he talks about it that he believes that way

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_01] but this interaction in particular made me think I think he might actually believe this because Drew says sure but honestly I'm worried the most about you Taylor because you'd be answering questions about all your friends on the jury and she's like what do you mean?

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_02] yeah

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_01] she knows that's not the final part three of the final page he's like you know because you're asking you're answering questions but they like it gets too confusing and he just moves on like not like I'm lying about this let me explain this is how it works like oh this is a confusing and awkward interaction I'm just going to move on because it doesn't seem like we're connecting on this I think that Drew might genuinely believe it is possible at least

[00:58:18] [SPEAKER_01] that part three of the final three HOH is still what the juror said kind of a crapshoot kind of theoretically who knows the jury best but really it's more of a crapshoot and if that were the case then the argument for keeping Devins is stronger because Devins is not a stronger competitor in part three than anybody else and Taylor is more likely to potentially win and Drew is potentially more likely to win so like

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_01] this misunderstanding could alter his entire decision making

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_03] right because if he knew that the final three the part three is always that like I went out with so and so many votes and I never won a veto and blah blah blah blah blah blah not as somebody who just won the the final four days Veto that normally does tend to translate well in the part three normally so

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_03] yeah he keeps him sitting here keep thinking that he doesn't have much of a chance against anybody is not really good especially for Taylor like I I did not understand why they didn't really like really really lock in like if I was Taylor I would have been like Drew why are you agonizing over this decision get rid of one of them and then we'll get rid of the the other one next and it just be the two of us like I'm saying like

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_03] let's give ourselves a better chance by getting rid of Devins but doesn't matter we're the final two right here us newbies and it just didn't come across like that

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_01] yeah so I'm just I'm a little confused about what Drew believes here for part three it's kind of a silly lie to to make up if it is a lie because it's not like you can convince people to not study because part two is still about questions so like maybe once part two is done he'll be like oh no need to study anymore but like you know I guess there's something there

[01:00:26] [SPEAKER_03] let me just point out that all of those compilations of big brother seasons do not include the it's just so and so you won the final three HOH it does not include the actual comp so maybe just throwing that out there

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_01] I so Taylor says listen evicting D is a personal decision not a game one and if D leaves you know you know you would sorry who says this then okay then Drew says the thing which I was like oh this is my point it's interesting that Drew is now thinking this Drew says

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_01] well if D leaves and you won HOH you would probably take me over Devin's but then you're the one that took out Devin's and you would probably win the game Taylor and she says yeah I probably would because I'm not stupid

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_03] yes that is exactly what she said yes which

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_01] point for point against I don't know I think I mean for me that's the key to everything right because if Taylor wins that final three HOH and cuts Devin's I do think she probably wins and if Drew recognizes that then he recognizes the exact scenario I'm thinking of which is that he's basically drawing into a situation where he needs to win the final three HOH either way and so you would rather face off against D and Taylor than Devin's

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_01] especially if you know part three is quizzing and Devin's is like head and shoulders above D in terms of having studied so far and mental comps in general so it's like you know at that point it becomes kind of a no brainer if he recognizes these things and so this is this is partly why I felt like there were some there was some progress made in this conversation because Drew is now mentioning these points that are

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_01] I would say relatively advanced points to make and if he's recognizing these things then he's I think much more readily accepting or thinking about the idea of potentially evicting Devin's so this conversation ends and D talks to Drew talks to D and this is not a super long conversation but in terms of the strategy portion of it but

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_01] he wants to know and I thought again I thought this was a little telling first question out of the gate what would you do if I evicted Devin's like who would you take to the final two he seems genuinely interested in this question genuinely interested in trying to convince him convince her to take him to the final two in that scenario which is like a little bit like

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_01] forward thinking in terms of like if this were to happen not just like I'm going to use this as an excuse

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_04] mm-hmm

[01:03:38] [SPEAKER_01] to cut you but like genuinely are you taking me?

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_04] yeah mm-hmm

[01:03:46] [SPEAKER_01] which maybe means that he's kind of shifted into the into the other direction potentially she says he said I'm worried you take Taylor says I won't and again this is leaning back in the other direction in terms of the way he's asking why don't you have a better chance against Taylor? she says I don't think so he says well I think I lose to all of you she says don't think like that that's not true come on he says well I would hope that you would take me to the end over Taylor

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_01] and that's the part where it's like oh that's that's not just excuse language anymore that's hope for the future language and she says I would I give you my word like on everything and then she says plus you have a better chance of beating me anyway I'm so bad at puzzles I'm so bad at these competitions she says the person that takes out Devins has a huge move on their resume same flaw as Taylor's argument

[01:04:43] [SPEAKER_01] but also true and and the conversation kind of continues for a little while and she eventually asks him so are you leaning in a certain way? and he says you asked me that earlier it's like it's like well are you? he says I am yeah and he smiles

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_04] mmm

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_01] she says I like that smile you gave at the end there

[01:05:13] [SPEAKER_03] I will say D of all the three pitches to Drew I do think D's was the most effective I did think because at one point she did say like when he had asked about like oh how do I know you don't you won't take Taylor to the end she says you don't but you know he would take her to the end yeah yeah and I think she also says Devins would take her to the end too so I mean other than that

[01:05:41] [SPEAKER_03] I did think that D made the most logical points like you'll more than likely beat me in the final three we'll go together you'll win and then on top of that Taylor was also kind of like when him and Taylor got into the whole like oh I'll take 75k I'm fine with 75k I was like don't say this don't get Drew thinking that he's fine with 75k please like that's not good for your game Taylor

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_03] so yeah it was yeah I think I think D carries the night here but there's a whole there's a whole day so we'll see

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_01] yeah so I mean I came I came into the day feeling when Drew initially won that his talk with Melody from you know the night before or whatever the night before was like okay he's probably gonna cut Devins then he said I'm not sure I can do it to the cameras he had a slightly weird conversation with D a slightly better conversation with Devins and I started to feel like

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_01] maybe he is gonna take Devins by the end of the night I was leaning back toward the direction of I think it's a little more likely he's cutting Devins we don't know for sure by any means but I'm currently leaning in that direction at this point I think that the conversations with both Taylor and D felt more substantial granted

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_01] he plans to have a more substantial conversation with Devins but so we can't make a conclusion until we hear like the actual full pitch from Devins and full conversation and honestly I'm not sure that Drew will tell either one of them ahead of time nor do I think he might tell us I think that I think that Drew is a bit of a showman

[01:07:50] [SPEAKER_01] and I think he really likes the idea of leaving us in a you know like yeah

[01:07:57] [SPEAKER_03] can I just say I do think that Devins Devins is playing a little little too passive Devins woke up knowing that D Taylor and Drew were basically all in the HOH room he just woke up looked around and went back to sleep he did not go up there to to break it up Devins is so like trying to not have to keep pitching I think that he's forgetting that

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_03] I think if Devins was just hanging around Drew that would help you know I'm saying just talk talk talk talk talk blocking the other people talk movies again spark that emotional connection be a little bit more active Devins like I think it would make Drew a little bit more conflicted like really really just get in there get under his skin

[01:08:56] [SPEAKER_03] be the dad you know but go play some catch

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_01] yeah I mean listen Devins Devins mentioned the day before that he was exhausted at like the amount of work and he already was doing a lot less than D was doing and he was already that exhausted I think this is exactly what I was talking about emotional versus logical decision making I think that Devins is really socially spent and doesn't have that same battery that D does and I think that

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_01] you know when he's talking about his pitch and he's like I'll give him some space I'll make sure that he has time to enjoy like to me that is emotion with those tendrils getting into infecting logic saying you know I really don't have the energy right now but you know what maybe it's actually a good strategy to give some space

[01:10:00] [SPEAKER_01] like maybe that's actually the better idea this isn't a move that's this isn't a decision that's based on you know the emotion I'm feeling it's a move that's actually coordinated and strategic to give him some space and who knows maybe I'm really reaching here but like given the fact that he said he was exhausted I think that this may be happening because I yeah I just don't think that giving space is the right call here you you want to smother

[01:10:27] like

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_01] all over like

[01:10:31] [SPEAKER_03] like Vince and Vince and Morgan

[01:10:35] [SPEAKER_01] exactly like Morgan did not give Vince a straw to breathe through she made sure that he was suffocating at all hours of the night

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_03] mm-hmm all of them

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_01] so we'll see we'll see D does talk to the cameras she says so you know I'm telling Drew I'm taking him would I really take Drew to the final two? probably not she says but I what I do need to do is probably distance myself from Taylor until the eviction which is definitely I think what she should do distance from Taylor

[01:11:23] [SPEAKER_01] stick to Drew pretty easy she talks to Taylor and and she tells Taylor that Drew thinks that D will take her she's telling Drew that she'll take her to try to get him to take out Devins but but Drew thinks that she might take Taylor but and she will she will actually take Taylor is what she's telling Taylor she says either way Drew needs to win the final HOH if he wants to win the game so he might as well

[01:11:53] [SPEAKER_01] take out Devins have a better chance of doing it which I was like yeah again that is exactly my thought and D does suggest to Taylor we should probably not hang out as much tomorrow because we don't want Drew to get scared of us and Taylor's like well whatever just tell him that we're the only two women left in the house like of course just like he's gonna hang out with Devins and tell him that it's fine that we're and I'm like no

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_01] don't that's even that's even worse than just not separating telling him by the way don't be worried that we're hanging out a lot it's just that we're women

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_02] exactly

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_01] oh my gosh that could flip the vote right then and there in my opinion

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_03] yeah let's hope they don't do that let's really hope they don't do that D says

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_01] that's a good idea I'll do that oh no

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_03] oh no well it's gonna be a long day and a half

[01:12:58] [SPEAKER_01] yeah yeah um so that's where we're at uh here do Drew does uh he spends some of the night uh crying to himself again um which again I would say theoretically implies that he is more thinking and leaning in the direction of cutting Devins I think he would be more emotional about cutting Devins than about cutting D but that's not that's not guaranteed

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_01] he would also I think be emotional cutting D and he may also be emotional about the fact that he might feel like he's gonna lose no matter what

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_03] yeah a lot of emotion

[01:13:41] [SPEAKER_01] a lot of emotion so so we'll see uh but that's that's basically the day uh Mori anything else that you wanted to bring up from yesterday

[01:13:49] [SPEAKER_03] no just shout out to Morgan in the chat the rabid gamer squirrel is here with us uh listen they're not doing you justice here at the final four Morgan they really aren't

[01:14:00] [SPEAKER_01] what did I just tell you Morgan she's mothers she's here she's not gonna let us talk without her being here she knows how to play what if we were conspiring against her

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_03] she just broke that up

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_01] it was great

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_03] thank you so much Taryn yes

[01:14:25] [SPEAKER_01] uh again it's just a fascinating day and I do think the the Taylor HOH win the Drew veto win has made this very interesting now we might end up like what this the final four being so interesting might mean that the final three is not going to be interesting because we kind of do know roughly exactly where everyone's going now at the final three if Devin stays

[01:14:53] [SPEAKER_01] it doesn't really matter who Devin takes doesn't really matter at all we know Taylor would probably take Drew and you know Drew would maybe take Taylor but either way it's like you kind of roughly know the outcome if he cuts Devin's we know D's taking Taylor and Taylor's taking D or at least that's what the plan is there's maybe some more room there if Drew can convince D or Taylor and and so like

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_01] the real question at that point will be jury votes I think more than anything else but you know we're getting a very interesting final four at the very least so yeah and I think we probably would have had a straightforward final three regardless if if D and Devin had both made it we knew that they were cutting each other so like that also would have been pretty straightforward so I think we still got the best possible like sort of intriguing scenarios outcome here but

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_01] that is what we have for you today an hour 15 on on a final four update I will be back tomorrow morning 11 a.m. Eastern to you know I say 11 a.m. Eastern man it would be nice if it were a little bit later but because we got tonight a two-hour survivor premiere yeah followed by a one-hour big brother episode followed by a recap so I will be up a bit late tonight but

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_01] you know maybe maybe there won't be listen you know what toward the end you know I say I could call an audible but I do think we have someone scheduled so you know it's harder to harder to move the time but if for some reason I'm not here at 11 a.m. wait for wait for noon mind your business

[01:16:44] [SPEAKER_03] don't ask no questions

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_01] just it's gonna be a long long night either way check that out I'm also gonna be talking to Rob today for the mailbag if we want to do our what is probably maybe not quite the final percentage points but we'll see and then answering some questions from patrons and like I said tomorrow another update and and all kinds of stuff we got work we're coming to a close here almost almost one week away from the finale

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_01] make sure you check out my patreon I am covering jet lag uh traders new blood I will be live for the survivor premiere as well as the big brother episode tonight so check all of that out Mara what do you got going on?

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[01:18:17] [SPEAKER_01] all right well that is what we have for you then today thank you all so much for joining us and I will see all of you next time and I will see you next time and we'll see you next time and we'll see you next time