BB28 Thursday Live Feed Update September 24, 2026

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[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_15] Morning, Darren Armstrong. Talk big brother. Looking at the stuff from yesterday. All the drama. All the strategy. And silliness from Fido to HOH. Every single season. You know he is the reason. You know what's happening. Rob said that he could do it. Tomorrow he will do it again.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_13] Hello everyone and good morning. Welcome to our live feed update for September 24th. I'm your host, Darren Armstrong. And I'm here to update you on everything that happened yesterday. The big brother 28 live feeds. It was day 79 in the house.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_13] And we still have a looming big decision on our hands as that is the primary focus of the day. And with me to talk through it is Chantel. How are you doing Chantel?

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_14] I'm like, are my eyes puffy? Because I did shed a couple of tears. I kind of got on the little bit on the sentimental train with them at the end of the night last night.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_13] Hmm. Yes. You know, the gang is getting split up here. They were going to split each other up multiple times in the past, but now it's actually happening.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_14] It's really going to happen. The band is breaking up. And it was a little sad because like, I just have an appreciation for, you know, community and building friendships and bonding. And they've been together for 79 days or at that point, 78 days. And, you know, regardless of how you feel about them, you miss them in the house and you'll never have that exact configuration ever again likely. So I kind of, I got sentimental with them.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_13] Yeah. I mean, you know, like, like every season is, you know, has its own sort of journey. And these people have been together for the last almost 80 days now. And, and they, they go through a lot together. And, and you know, for, I guess it's not specifically true for half of the people in this house, but usually it's a once in a lifetime experience.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_13] And, and it's about to be over for one of them. And certainly even for all of them in about a week's time, because we are now officially one week away from the finale of Big Brother 28.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_14] It moved quickly. I mean, I don't know, I guess now that it's almost done, it seems like faster, but I feel like this was a faster moving season from my perspective.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_13] Hmm. Yeah. I mean, it, it, it, I think it, it, it moved quickly. I think for the first, but I think it started to drag a little bit here in the back third or so, but you know, that's pretty typical of not that many people in there. It's also, it, I think it tends to drag more for like me than, and most because I'm still having to pay super close attention.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_13] Whereas I think most people are able to sort of check out a little bit more and only, only check out the highlights. But either way, this is what we're here for. This is what I'm here for. Of course, as you know, Taylor is the final four HOH true is the final four veto holder.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_13] And that means he will be deciding between D or Devin's, which he decides, which he will want to bring forward through to the final three and which he wants out at the final four. And I will tell you right now, there's no concrete evidence or decision that is made today.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_13] We are still just guessing, but there are plenty of conversations and attempts at trying to convince Drew one way or another. And so we will see by the end of the day, where, where we're at, at this point.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_14] Yeah. Yeah. Definitely was like, Oh, okay. After this conversation, it feels as though he's leaning towards this, this decision. And then next conversation, it feels a little bit differently. So no camera talks. Like we don't actually have any idea of like what he's actually going to do. So yeah, we're just going to have to cross our fingers and hope we're right.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_13] Yeah. So, uh, the big thing here is that, so I will say my, my lean was that drew was leaning in the direction of cutting Devon's the night before, uh, the night before the day we're about to talk about. Um, so the major thing for me is like, do I feel like that has either changed or that new information has been introduced? That makes me feel like I was, uh, like I was wrong about that lean.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_13] Um, granted it's still just a lean. We really can't be sure, uh, one way or another, especially because I think that drew like very intentionally wants this to be hidden from us and from certainly the and Devon's.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, so, you know, the normal things that you might be able to count on, uh, as a, as a third party omniscient viewer, uh, is it are like not necessarily reliable because I think drew might like try to actively trick us.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_14] Right. And I wonder, is he just like trying to play with us in this way or like, like, why can you just be honest with us? Let us, let us in. He knows we're watching. Is he just wanting to have this conversation with you after?

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_13] I think he wants, he, he, he's a showman. He wants to play up the show. Uh, he wants to keep the suspense going.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_14] And you know what? I actually was thinking, uh, a few days ago that that might've been one of the reasons why he kept D in the game. It does seem like, you know, he's had a lot of conversations about the shows that he's been on or that he's gotten far in the process, um, with. And I think that he likes the idea of playing alongside these icons because it might give him some notoriety, you know, and further, further his career if he's going to venture through the reality TV world. Hmm.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_13] Okay. Well, let's get into it. Devins does talk to drew in the morning. Um, they have a little bit of time before D joins them. Um, and, uh, and I'm not going to like go through in detail, like every piece that either one of them hits because a lot of it is just repetitive. Uh, but, but Devins wants to know earlier in the morning, like, Hey, you know, what is the argument to, to not keep me?

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, and the primary thing for drew is that he says, well, I definitely just lose a jury vote to you. And Devins like, Oh, that's not, that's not necessarily true. Uh, that's not necessarily true. Uh, and they go over jury votes, which is the thing that they've been doing ad nauseum over the last like week. Uh, like, well, you know, I think that Yash would vote this way and Taylor would vote this way. And, you know, uh, Angela might, who knows?

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_13] And then Lala, oh, Angela, Lala might go this way. Um, and, uh, and so they go back and forth for a while and they don't really reach any solid conclusion here because D is going to join them relatively quickly. But, uh, but the primary thing here is that Devins is trying his best to make a case that drew does have a chance at beating him. And also that he doesn't have a chance of beating D.

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_14] And I think it's starting to work a little bit. Um, you know, throughout the day, I feel as though that he would make, Devon was making a, Devins was making a little bit of progress. Um, I guess it's just so hard that they're both kind of represent the same thing to him. I know he has a father son relationship with Devins, but like, they're both icons. They both came from survivor. They both run season 50 together. Like, I don't know if he could see the differences that much. And so Devins kind of laying this out for him.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_14] I think it might be swaying him a little bit, but like just a teeny little bit.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_13] It could be, it could be, um, you know, it's like, like I was talking about before, uh, yesterday, I think like this emotional versus logical thing. I do think that drew whether or not he's made his decision already. I do think that through these conversations, he's doing, he's doing two things in these conversations. One is, well, maybe three.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_13] One is trying to do as much as he can to explain the decision to both of them in an attempt to try to make sure that they understand why he ends up cutting them. And it will hopefully vote for him in the final two. If they do like jury management kind of stuff. Uh, number two, he's trying to set up the final three for whichever one of them stays, get promises from each one that they will take him.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, and, uh, you know, so on and so forth. And then number three, I think that specifically with these conversations with Devins, I do get the sense that drew is kind of like, he's, he's being like Devins, please give me something. To change. To change. I, I feel, I feel like he's like Devins, give me something that will convince me that this is a better decision than I think it actually is.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, whether or not that means he plans to cut Devins or take Devins. I think that he still wants Devins to make him feel better about keeping Devins either to change his mind or to reinforce the decision that he's already, you know, planning to make. Like, and I feel like Devins is trying to oblige, but that logic just isn't on Devins' side.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_13] And so like a lot of what Devins has to propose falls, I think mostly flat, even though drew is very receptive to wanting it to land. If that makes sense.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_14] Yeah, I know. It totally makes sense that Devins doesn't have an argument. He can't give one to drew to make it more sound or make him feel more safe about making that decision. Um, and then also the fact that Devins is taking his foot off the gas a little bit. He doesn't want to press, press too hard. He doesn't want to, you know, D is talking to him. He doesn't want to go and talk to him. I think that maybe if he put a little bit more pressure on, you just make it a little bit harder for drew to make that decision.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_14] And so maybe even just having more presence could be the way that he could, you know, without having actual logical arguments and facts on his side, his, his relationship with drew and like, just make him feel damn bad about doing it. It could be enough.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_13] It could be, it could be. Well, drew talks to D afterward, of course. Um, and it's really like, they are all going to have multiple conversations. Uh, but, uh, D says it's almost over, you know, like the season. She says, hopefully not for me though. And he goes, we'll see. You haven't promised me much. She says, well, I am. Come on. I'm taking you to the final two.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, and it turns into a slightly longer conversation. She's like, I, but listen, you cutting Devins is betting on yourself. Like I, I am going to take you to the final two, but you also just have a better chance of winning yourself there. Anyway, it's betting on yourself to cut Devins and go to that final three with me and Taylor.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_13] Um, and I think this is, there's, there are a couple of things that D says that I really like and that I think land withdrew pretty well. Uh, and at least in the sense that he is going to repeat them to Devins. Uh, and this is one of them, uh, that this idea of like betting on himself by cutting Devins. He is going to say that to Devins later in the day, uh, that cutting Devins is betting on himself.

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, whereas, you know, going in the other direction is, is like, you know, aiming for like a safety blanket.

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_14] And like, I do agree with D, but I think, you know, with her calling him her little weasel and little brother, like as much as it's could be considered endearing. I think it actually reminds him of the fact that she's burned him a few times. And so as much as she's doing good work with like, yeah, bet on yourself, like take yourself to the end. Like don't wait for somebody else to take you. Yeah, that's great. But then it's always peppered in with some little like digs and insults. And I'm like, D just stay nice.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_14] And like, you might be able to win this one, but being reminded that she, she's kind of, she's kind of been not the greatest ally to him this whole season. I don't know. It could also hurt her a little bit.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_13] It could. I do think that's such a, cause like I'm imagining the world where all of a sudden she changes her tune. True. You know what I mean? And it's like, my Drew.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_14] Bit extreme.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, which is more of an indictment on, I think the way that she's handled Drew to this point. Fair. Uh, but I would, I do think there's a balance of like, you can't change too much how you've been working. So I think, honestly, I think that she's doing this actively as well. She's trying to do like a, like a slow turn of like, it was always in a term of endearment.

[00:17:06] [SPEAKER_14] Little brother. Oh, you'll always be my little brother.

[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, I would, I would hate it if I were Drew, uh, though. Uh, and honestly, uh, even if it was an abrupt shift, I'd be like, good.

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_14] Thank you. So mean to me and I don't like it.

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[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_13] Drew says to Dee he had made up his mind even before he won the veto. And she's like, oh wow. And this has like a big impact on the day in terms of like how Dee sees things. And how, you know, Devin sees things. And the way that Drew talks with Devin and Dee afterward. Is this idea of like, has he already decided? And none of this talking is going to do anything?

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_13] Or is that just more of Drew being Drew? Just messing around because he's a little weasel. You know what I mean?

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_14] I don't know either. But I was just trying to think like, if he made his decision beforehand, do we have any clues as to what that decision would have been or was? Or is?

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_13] I think if he had made the decision beforehand, it had to have been to cut Devin's. We know that that was his decision prior when Maladie was still in the game. And the fact that he has now told Dee twice, like he is leaning in a certain direction, smirk. And then the following morning tells Dee, I made my decision before I even won.

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_13] Certainly implies pretty heavily that he is, again, I think implies pretty heavily, leaning in the direction of cutting Devin's. And he's being truthful with Dee when he says these things. Now, he is going to tell Devin's later, I haven't made up my mind. And that he wasn't telling the truth essentially when he said that he had made up his mind beforehand.

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_13] I think that there's a chance that what he's saying is that he's now unmade up his mind, and he's more malleable to changing his mind. Or theoretically, he was actively lying to Dee about having made up... That just doesn't make sense. It's a weird lie to say I have already made up my mind to say that on purpose, unless you genuinely just don't want to talk to the person anymore.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_13] You want them to leave you alone, which isn't quite the vibe I got from Drew. So, again, I think this is more evidence for me pointing in the direction of Drew, at this point in the day at least, still feeling like he's leaning toward evicting Devin's.

[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_14] And I could see the reason why him kind of giving Devin's hope here is that he doesn't want to have a few days of feeling really, really, really bad. Like, with it just being in limbo for Devin's right now, like, I don't think that Drew's going to have to feel the pain of actually, you know, making that decision. And so, that's also probably why he's not giving him all the information or not being clear about what he's doing.

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_14] It's just so that he doesn't have to start feeling the pain of actually cutting somebody that he really cares about.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_13] Yeah. And, you know, there is some value as well to like, you know, if Devin's is going to go to, because I think I mentioned this on one of the podcasts I've done, that like, Devin's is going to go to the jury roundtable if he gets evicted and probably say, I think I talked about this on the mailbag. Uh, he's going to go to the jury roundtable and say, D got to him.

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_13] D D convinced. He was my baby boy son. Uh, and I had him in the palm of my hand, but D talked him out of it. That D she's so good. Uh, right. Because he wants D to win. Like he's going to want D to win. He's going to, this is the whole thing that they've done is that they're going to pump each other up in the jury house. Uh, and so, you know, I do think there's value. I don't know if Drew is thinking this, but I think there is value to trying to claim like, at the end of the day,

[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_13] this is the decision I was always going to make. Uh, and to, to try to take away, especially if he says that like at the ceremony, uh, I think that would be, uh, probably the most valuable if they see that footage. I don't remember if they see, I think they see the final four footage. Uh, so, um, I do think that would be a huge inoculate. And also by saying I'd already made the decision beforehand,

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_13] it also helps sell the story of, I was never Devins' puppet. That this wasn't something that was forced upon me, that I was always planning to cut Devins. Uh, and so, um, I do think it's a line he should stick with if this is the move he's going to make.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_14] If he's like doing it on purpose. So we hope, hopefully, I mean, he's, he's still pretty young, even though, you know, this could be a good, a good way to take some agency back in your game. And so you're not always been the vet puppets and not doing what D and Devins say this whole entire game. So, yeah, that'd be, that'd be great being like, Hey, actually, even just saying that, regardless of a decision that you made, like will actually help you keep some agency depending on who you keep.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_14] So if it's on purpose, it's pretty smart.

[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_13] Yeah. Well, he walks it back later. So that makes me think it wasn't as on purpose as I thought. But, you know, it's again, it's like, uh, who knows, who knows what he's doing with Devins specifically there. Uh, Devins has a conversation with Taylor. And, um, and they are talking about, uh, the choice that drew has to make.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_13] Um, and that Taylor's kind of like, I'm glad I don't have to make that choice. I'm glad I don't have to piss anybody off. Uh, and Devins asks Taylor a question that, uh, that Taylor really shouldn't be answering. Which is Taylor, what moves will you claim if you made it to the final two? And, uh, go ahead.

[00:24:54] [SPEAKER_14] No, I was gonna say, I'm like bold for you to go ask somebody to like to out their whole game. And like why, I mean, unless she has other moves that she's going to try to claim, but like her response wasn't great either. I was like, just be like, yeah, I'm still working it out or something, but I would not want to give them your whole pitch so that they can counteract it.

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_13] Yeah. Yeah. In the context of this conversation is difficult because it, it's like, it's comes back from, uh, from the feeds being, uh, out. Uh, so I don't know if like there was a little more to this conversation that made this a little more socially acceptable to say, but, uh, but either way, um, Taylor says, well, definitely how you and me flip that lyric vote. So she said, I definitely rallied votes on that one.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, but you said it out loud first to be fair, uh, is what she says. Um, now, and then she also says, and I changed the trajectory of the game by keeping deep. Like, don't love that second move. And I just saw in the chat like, oh, well, she's probably like lying to Devin's, right? She's probably downplaying the, like what she will actually claim.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_13] Surely she's not going to actually claim the lyric move. I don't think she is, uh, because this is actually not the first time that she has brought this up that she, uh, has mentioned that she was the one that flipped the lyric vote. Uh, I believe she mentioned it to Yash previously. Um, and so, uh, what happened on the lyric vote? Remember, bring us back table time machine.

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_13] It, uh, D wanted to flip the vote. She brought it to Devin's. They brought it to Angela. And then Devin's went and talked to Taylor because they were, uh, I think in a, not in the alliance that they were going to form yet, but they had a decent relationship.

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_13] Um, and I think it was partly through this conversation and subsequent vote flipping that Taylor then went to, uh, or actually no, cause it was commas HOH, right? They had already talked about the alliance. I think the tether alliance, um, uh, either way, Devin's had gone to Taylor down in the have not room. And he was like, I think, you know, I would have, what do you think about potentially flipping this vote?

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, and she like backed it up behind like the door of the wardrobe. She was like, Oh, Oh my God. Uh, and Taylor had already kind of wanted lyric gone because she really didn't like the way lyric was moving. Uh, that week throwing her friends under the bus. She had talked about that a bunch with some people.

[00:27:53] [SPEAKER_13] And so I think in her mind, uh, she had, you know, put out some feelers about lyric about like not trusting lyric much. Uh, thinking that lyric was, uh, you know, kind of playing all sides and throwing people under the bus and a number potentially for Haley, uh, and, um, uh, and Kamu and them.

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_13] Um, and so, and, you know, you know, potentially to her credit here, like there is certainly a world, uh, where, um, and sorry, when I said this was Kamu, the primaries tether alliance was made during Kamu's HOH, which was, uh, which was before, uh, Haley's HOH. Um, which means that they had already talked about the tethers alliance prior to this conversation.

[00:28:47] [SPEAKER_13] Um, so, uh, anyway, Taylor feels like she was part of that anti-lyric sentiment. Then, um, then Devin's approaches her about flipping the vote and she feels like, okay. And then while the feeds were down, that vote turned into an avalanche because Lala got on board and, uh, like other people got on board.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_13] And it was, it, it, it, and obviously we saw it ended up being only a couple of people, which ruined the plan of, uh, of Dee and Angela lying about their votes. And that's because Taylor got on board and got Lala on board. And then all of a sudden there were way more votes than they expected. And then the lies got exposed. So point being that Taylor feels like she was in that alliance with Devin's.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_13] He brought up the idea of lyric leaving, which is something that she had already been thinking about and wanting to do. And therefore then when she went and tried to rally some votes, remember, they also tried to blame Taylor for it at the time. Uh, there was a conversation in the bathroom where they were like, Oh, Taylor did this because Taylor was the one rallying votes. Uh, because she was getting Lala on board and in the process of getting Lala on board, other people pretended to get on board at that time.

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_13] And so Taylor believes that she did this in the same way that they kind of blamed her for it to some degree at the time. Uh, so she's mentioned this to Yash before she's saying it to Devin's now. Um, and, uh, and so this is definitely something that will fall very flat, uh, in jury speeches.

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, Devin's is going to talk to Dee about it later and be like, yeah, Taylor's Taylor thinks like her biggest move is the lyric flip. You know, the one that we did, like, uh, she's not winning this game.

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_14] I don't think that she's winning this game, but I wish that they were, they spoke a little bit more positively about her though in general. Like, yes, I get it that she's kind of a misunderstanding how that whole, that whole vote went down. And like, it will be a little bit embarrassing, obviously when, if they, if they bring up, you know, the facts that like, that's not actually how things happened. But then they're just like, I found that Devin's just like, was always just kind of, you know, her dream of being on the challenge.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_14] He's like kind of just, oh, you'll never get on the challenge. And just kind of like negatively talking about it. That was just kind of unnecessary. So I was like, you know, stick to the facts of the game, Devin's and Dee please here. And even Drew to a certain extent. Um, and, but instead like they were kind of using it to also just talk about how she's just like not good at these games at all. And I was like, it felt kind of bad.

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_13] Hmm. Hmm. Well, uh, it's interesting stuff. Of course, this also, I think changes a little bit of the narrative, especially with Devin's, uh, as he's talking to Drew. Um, uh, but also like theoretically changes the calculus. I do think that, um, I think I feel I talked yesterday about how there's a world where if Drew keeps Devin's and then Taylor cuts Devin's and brings Drew.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_13] And if Drew, Taylor has a good chance to beat Drew in the final two, because Drew will have proven that he was baby boy Drew the whole time. And Taylor will have made the move that eventually took out Dee and Devin's herself. You look at those votes. And if you, if you assume that the icons are still not voting Taylor, Devin's D who both said they will vote for Taylor or serve vote for Drew over Taylor, no matter what.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, if he still has melody, which I think he would probably, um, and then he would just need Angela, uh, to go with Devin's and D, uh, on it. And, and he wins the game. Uh, I do think that Barrett, Yash and Lala would all go for Taylor.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_13] If she cuts, if she's the one to cut Devin's, I really do think that that's probably the case, but drew probably also has the other four. So there is a potential winning scenario there by keeping Devin's having Taylor take him to the end, but it is a lot tighter than you would like.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_13] And it still requires Taylor to win that final three HOH, which I don't think she's super likely to do, uh, considering she would be competing against both Drew and Devin's. It'd be difficult to get to part three of the final three HOH at all. Um, so, uh, just another, another piece, uh, to this puzzle here.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_14] I think also if I were in Drew's position, I would just be so torn up inside. If I cut Devin's, even though my heart didn't want it to happen, I lose the next head of household and then I just get taken down anyway. And so like, I just, I would be so upset. So I, I understand the predicament that he's in here for sure.

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_13] Yes. So D also talks to Taylor. Um, she lets Taylor know that Drew has already made up his mind and that she doesn't think there's much that she can do to change it. Uh, which I think is a mistake to, to be more hands off during the day. Um, that she spends a lot of time hanging out with Taylor, something that she knew that she shouldn't do, uh, and not spending as much time pressing Drew on the decision,

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_13] which opened up the door for Devin's to spend a lot of time with Drew over the course of the day as Devin's made his push. Um, and the fact that she was hanging out with Taylor during much of that time was only further, uh, ammunition for Devin's to use as he pushes on Drew. And so if there's any progress that is being made on Drew here, I think that, uh, you know, D is allowing that to happen here.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_14] Pretty, pretty obviously as well. Cause there's not much other distractions in the house other than, you know, I mean, I know D is kind of phrasing it. Sometimes it's like listening to her music and stuff like that, but Devin's eventually is kind of like promising to take Drew to the final two. And I think that her hanging out with, with Taylor so much is just making Drew be like, wait, are they going to take each other?

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_14] Whether she is or she isn't like, it just opens up that like doubt in his mind. And I think that at one point I do think that it was working, uh, what Devin's was saying.

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_13] Well, before we get there, uh, D when talking to Devin's about the Taylor stuff also tells Devin's that if she is the one that's going to be evicted, she wants to not hug him on the way out to try to make it seem like she's mad at him. Uh, because just that little bit will give Devin's a little bit more room to say, well, I guess I'm not getting D's vote.

[00:35:56] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, and you know, maybe that's just enough to convince them to take Devin's final two. I think that she's proposing this in the hopes that Devin's will oblige, uh, in reverse as well. And that he will help her, uh, do that. He didn't say that he would, uh, so we'll see.

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_13] But, um, but again, just more kind of like clever stuff here from D it would be like, you know, somebody in the judges and nobody would buy that. But like, sometimes they do. It's, it's worth a shot. It's exactly what Dan and, uh, Memphis have done, uh, or had done during this, during season 10 multiple times. And you thought it wouldn't work and then it ended up working.

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, so, um, it's always useful because, because what happens in there is that you have nothing else to think about. You have no other evidence. You have no outside opinion. And so if you see something, you might think, oh, well, obviously that's not true. But then over the course of three, four, five days, you start thinking like, well, what if it is true? What if, what if I'm overthinking it?

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_14] And you overthink the overthinking. Yeah, absolutely. And like, you know, he, they can play it off pretty easily being like, yeah, like I'm pretty disappointed that, you know, you campaigned against me. Like, you know, it wasn't supposed to come to this and just go out disappointed even. Like, I think it could work in a way that would be even like possible.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_13] So, uh, Drew, uh, GD checks in with Drew again. She says, uh, so am I, so am I staying or am I leaving? He says, I don't know. What do you think? I'm not going to look. She says, I think I'm staying. And then they both laugh. Because like he makes a noise and it's like, oh, what does that mean?

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_14] I mean, I don't know. Um, you know, I think I do feel like that D, her spidey senses are right. Cause she was kind of saying, I don't know if it was today or another day, but just saying that she had this similar feeling when she was on the block. And that she, she just had a feeling like, even though she shouldn't say that she was going to stay and she's having that same feeling. So I kind of trust her vibe and her feeling right now. And so, but I just, I'm not sure.

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_14] Do you think it's the right thing for her to say this directly to Drew?

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_13] I mean, I think that, uh,

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_14] Does it matter?

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_13] I don't think it matters. I think that like, uh, to say she thinks she's staying, I think is like, like, I, I, I trust you essentially. Like, um, or it could be interpreted that way. Uh, also it's like this, I think this interaction was like not super, uh, serious by any means, but Devins joins them. They end up talking more about jury votes.

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_13] Um, and, uh, and so then D leaves and Devins has a long talk with Drew. Over the course of a couple of sessions, they get interrupted in the middle. Um, and Devins, this is like his big pitch, uh, his biggest one yet, at least. Uh, he pitches that like, Hey, here's what I've been thinking.

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_13] If the jury respects competition wins, you can still beat me in number of comp wins. You, you know, uh, cause, um, I'm trying to remember now. Drew has now won, uh, the, what? The two blockbusters, two vetoes, uh, an HOH. Um, I feel like he's won six. What am I missing?

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_14] I feel like it was six, but I can't.

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_13] Does he want two HOHs? I think he's won something like six. And I think Devins has won something similar. Uh, and so he's like, you, there's a world where you've beat me in competition wins. Uh, he's won three vetoes. What was the other veto? Whatever.

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, um, so, uh, if you, if, if the jury is going to respect and he says, and I think Yash will, I think Yash will, uh, will vote based on, uh, competition wins. Um, so, uh, right. He won the, uh, the sword veto, then the dragging, and we haven't seen final four veto yet. That's why.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, so he's won three vetoes, HOH, two blockbusters. Devins has won the, he won his HOH. He's won two HOHs. Uh, he's won two vetoes and two blockbusters. So I think they've both won six. Uh, and the idea is, and this is why I think the argument isn't a great one. Uh, to begin with the idea is like, if you win the final HOH, you will beat me on comp wins.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, and then you'll get a vote like Yash's. But the problem with that argument is that number one, it's pretty bad to begin with. Number two, if Devins wins the final three HOH, he will be, he will be true in comp wins.

[00:41:14] [SPEAKER_14] So it's like, uh, I love to, you said like, I'll throw it to you or what she could never say and would never say. So yeah, if you guys have the same stats, you can't use the argument that like, oh, well if you win, like it's going to be good for you because it's obviously going to apply to him as well.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_13] Yeah. And I like the argument is like, cause the thing is that drew definitely beats D in comp wins. Uh, but the argument is that like, if they vote on something other than comp wins, that's where D has an obvious leg up over, like that's where there's an obvious differentiator. I think it's a bad argument. I don't think it lands with drew very well. Um, but he continues to push, uh, the better argument, which is that D is definitely not taking you to the end.

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_13] It's so clear based on the way that she talks about Taylor and the conversation we just had about jury votes that she thinks that she can beat Taylor in the end. Um, and how much she spends time with Taylor that she'll, like she's going to want to spend, she's going to want to take Taylor to the end. Um, and drew does say, he says, well, I did want to see who Taylor wanted me to evict. And the fact that she wants me to evict you tells me that she's under the impression that D is going to take her to the final two.

[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, which is true, but I think that Taylor would want Devin's out regardless. Personally, I think that, uh, whether or not she believes D would take her to the final two, she would still want Devin's out because she sees Devin's as the biggest threat. Uh, but it is true that she also thinks that D is going to take the final two and that D and Taylor are both saying they will take each other to the final two.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, so it's, uh, it's a good read and it is the worst part of the best decision to make.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_14] And I wonder if it's just because Taylor is head of household right now that she's not, you know, being a little less obvious with some of her intentions and like, I don't know, she, I wish that she wasn't giving away so much information here because if she wants that to happen, like if I were playing the game, I want to go against whatever the head of household wants to do likely, unless I'm their ally. And so, uh, the fact that she's giving up so much information, I'm just like, Taylor lock in, like you could win this.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_14] We got to lock in.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_13] Well, uh, so, so that's the problem, but Drew says this to Devin's is again, one of the things that I'm like, okay, really feels like he's leaning in this direction. He says to Devin's, I think I can beat D. I don't think I can beat you. Uh, and Drew's like, uh, Devin's like, you, you think you can beat D really? Like what do you, what votes would you have? He says, well, I think I'd have melody, Barrett, Yash and Taylor, I think would be potentially my vote.

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_13] Um, and I mean, that's not the most wild outcome in the world. If he evicts Devin's, I think he could get Yash. Uh, I do think he could get Taylor. I do think he could get, uh, you know, like I do worry that if you have, that if he takes D to the final two, that Yash would then be like, oh, you just went from baby boy, Drew to baby brother, Drew.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, but like, it's not the, it's certainly, I think the point is right. That like, that is a better outcome. Um, it's a, it's a better chance than sitting against Devin's where there's no chance. Um, so there's something there, which is not to say that he should take D clearly. He should take Taylor. I think a thousand percent. Um, but at least, you know, in the event that maybe D wins and does take him, which he is promising she'll do.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_13] He still has a great chance of winning, uh, or not a great chance. He has still has a chance of winning. Um, and, uh, and then he can still cut D and take Taylor. Um, and so, uh, he, but, but here's the thing. He says, I have, I think I have those four votes. And he says, I also, I hope I would have you Devins. And Devins goes, Ooh, that'd be tough against D. Uh, and Drew's like, oh, well, because it's like survivor bias.

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_13] He goes, no, because you've been saying you'd take me to final two for a while. And if you pulled the rug out from under me, that would be kind of tough. Uh, and this is, this is the threat. He's been doing the threat all through the day that we talked about yesterday. The threat of if you caught me, I'm not voting for you.

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_13] And I, I still just don't, I don't think that would be, I, I really don't like how he phrased this because I think that you can still make this threat. But you, but like Drew offered it up to you on a silver platter is my opinion. Right? Like Drew said, oh, because of survivor bias, I think Devins says, well, I, I mean, I'll be real with you.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_13] I think D has played the best game in this house. That's why I would vote for her. Um, and, but instead he said, well, no, because I'd feel personally hurt by you if you did this and I'd be bitter. Like that's, Ooh, like that's a much worse tactic to take because it makes Drew upset with you more, uh, and doesn't build D up as a genuine threat to win.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_13] And doesn't, you know, if I say, because D is an amazing, like she's a survivor winner who came in here, convinced you to take out your dad, uh, convinced Yash and, um, and, uh, Taylor to keep her over Angela and then makes it to the final two. I would have to vote for her. Drew, are you kidding me? Uh, I would be a bitter juror not to, uh, like that is what will put fear into debt, into

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_13] Drew's mind about like, well, what has happened? Is that the perception now? Like is, am I being tricked is, uh, you know, all of these things, but instead I think what he's, what he's ends up saying is like, well, I'd be upset with you, which, which makes it a personal thing between the two of them. I really don't like that.

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_14] Yeah. I mean, he is definitely playing on his emotions here as opposed to like getting him to be emotional about game situations. Uh, and, and like, it would have been so easy for, for, for Devin's just to big up D's game because it's like, he would, I think he would vote for, for, for D in that situation. And I don't think it would be only because of the fact that, that, that, uh, Drew cut him. I think it would be because he felt the things that you've already stated.

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_14] So I just don't know why he decided to lean into the emotional manipulation side of things when he could have just like, just really been strategic and like big up, you know, his, his kind of, uh, the person that he's kind of going up against with this vote. And I think he would have come out on top a little bit better. So it's, it's very strange that he went this route, but.

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_13] Yeah. And, and so like part of the other angle of it is while he also needs to convince Drew that he might not have his vote against Taylor because he's trying to like big up Taylor as a jury threat. But the problem there is that Drew keeps saying, I don't think I can beat anybody at this point. And by taking Devin's he's guaranteeing himself second place. And so Devin's then tries to pivot by saying, well, you can beat Taylor.

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_13] Uh, so by taking me, you're not guaranteeing yourself second place theoretically, because you still have the option of Taylor taking you to the final two and winning against Taylor. But that also kind of requires this element of, uh, of like, well, now he thinks he can be Taylor, which means you can just again, big up D. Uh, so it's just like, it's, it gets, it gets messy. It's a tough spot to be in, but I just think this is the wrong tactic.

[00:49:19] [SPEAKER_13] I've thought so since he mentioned it to the cameras. Uh, I don't like that he, that he used it. I think there were better methods of doing it.

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[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_13] But Drew also says, like, don't you think people would say I've done what you've said the entire time? And Devin's like, I don't think so. I don't think they think that. And I don't think Drew believes that either. That's when he says, I don't think I can beat anybody. Devin says, I think you can beat Taylor. Drew says, if I keep you. This is how he lays it out. He says, if I keep you, I guarantee that I'm in the final two chairs. I do believe that you would take me to the final two.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_13] But I also guarantee I get second place. If I cut you, it's harder to get to the final two. And I probably lose against D anyway. And Devin says, you have no chance against D. No chance. And that's when Drew says later on that he says, well, taking you out is betting on myself. Keeping you is the emotional choice. Keeping D is the logical one.

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_13] Just the other thing I really liked about what D was trying to sort of position these things as. And so I'm going to say again, to me, a lot of what he was saying seems to be pointing in the direction of evicting Devin's. There are some moments of seeming hesitation.

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_13] He is not acting 100% in the way that you would expect somebody to act if they were planning to, if they had their minds made fully up. But, you know, it is true. And he is, I think, a little bit of a showman. And I think he is trying to play it up a little bit. But I think there are a few things. I think, number one, he's a lot more concerned with D taking him to final two than he is with Devin's taking him to final two.

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_13] When Devin says, I would take you there, Drew says, I fully believe you. There's no interrogation. There's no amount of like, oh, well, if you think I can be Taylor, like you think you can be Taylor. I think he does believe Devin's. But I think it's easy to believe Devin's without any kind of questioning if he doesn't expect to really be in that scenario. Whereas when D is promising, he's skeptical of it because it's a real scenario in his mind. That's, again, that's some interpretation there.

[00:53:43] [SPEAKER_13] I think the fact that he's framing it as it's betting on myself, it's the logical choice. Those things also, for me, almost always point in one direction. Betting on yourself, logical choice. Those are phrases that people use when they are explaining why they did a thing. So, that's where I'm at at the end of the Devin's conversation. A lot of people were feeling differently.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_13] A lot of people were feeling like, oh, I think maybe he's being swayed. That's not quite the vibe I got. But I could very well be wrong here. I think that we cannot be sure in any one direction. But that is still where I feel like he's leaning.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_14] I did feel a little sway with him really not being sure about Dees vote. And so, that's kind of where I think that people, including myself, were just kind of like, well, maybe it's moving in that direction. But I do think that there's a lot more evidence kind of weighing on the fact that he is still going to evict Devin's.

[00:54:55] [SPEAKER_14] But I do think that the scales were just kind of, you know, tipping just a little bit, but not in a significant way.

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_13] Yeah, I mean, I do think there were a couple of moments that, yeah, like you said, like, definitely, because for as much as he might have made his decision up, made his mind up long ago, it does feel like occasionally he gets a little bit of like, ooh. Like, it's not like he feels great about the decision. I think he recognizes that there is risk. And I don't think he likes that risk. And again, that's why I think when he's talking to Devin's,

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_13] he would love for Devin's to present him with some kind of alternate scenario that doesn't involve the risk that is inevitable in the choice that he must make. But at the end of the day, Devin's can't promise that because there's nothing that Devin's can do or say that will change the reality of the situation. So Drew does talk to Dee. And he says, are you really going to take me to the end? She said, I would do it in a heartbeat. She said, I'll put that on my mother, my father, my dogs.

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_13] And he says, I mean, I just don't. You're like, even after I take out Devin's 100%. He says, I don't think Taylor will take me if I take out Devin's. Which is exactly what we pointed out yesterday when Taylor was saying, like, you can't win unless you take out Devin's. Then you'll have done it. It's like, well, then why would you take me to the end? And so he fears that.

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_13] And he fears that if he takes out Devin's, he becomes the new Devin's. But all he has to do is win that final three HOH is like his dilemma. He says, I think you both don't vote for me if I take either one of you out. Meaning if I vote out Devin's, he's not going to vote for me in the jury. If I vote out you, you won't vote for me in the jury. Dee says, well, for me, it'll depend on the speech. I'm an open-minded juror.

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_13] And this is an interesting dilemma here, right? Like, if for as bad vibes as it is to say that you won't vote for somebody if they vote you out. If the other person is saying, I will vote for you if you vote me out. That's what you're out of the head. You start to go, it might piss me off, but maybe one is better than the other at this point. The problem is he knows he has to vote out Devin's anyway. And this is, again, the thing.

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_13] It's like, Devin's is saying he won't vote for me if I vote him out, but I can't win sitting next to him. So I'm going to lose his vote anyway, is the problem with that threat. So Dee, though, being like, well, it'll depend. I think that's probably about as good as you can do here without actively threatening the vote. And so, you know, we'll see if it's a mistake.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_13] But she does make another point here. She says, listen, I think you're just too fearful of getting third place when you should be focusing on wanting to win first place. And he's like, why would you take me over Taylor? She says, I do think Taylor has moves she can claim. You know, she was a really big part of flipping the lyric vote. Big moves.

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_13] And he goes, okay, Dee, if I keep you, will you throw part one of the final three HOH to me? Which is another thing. It's like much more forward facing, I think, forward looking than his conversations with Devin's. And I think he wants like, he wants to be Dan Giesling here, right? Like he wants, he wants her to throw this. She goes, you little shithead.

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_13] I mean, it would hurt me as a competitor, but maybe I'd be willing to do that. Let me think about it. Let me think about it. But they get briefly interrupted after Devin's leaves. She says, listen, I want to, but I don't want to tell you 100% yes. Because like, I could change my mind. Like, it's kind of a fucked up question, man. And he goes, of course, I'm a weasel. What do you want from me? He says, it's a pretty common thing actually in Big Brother, which is why I'm thinking,

[00:59:18] [SPEAKER_13] he's thinking of Dan getting Ian and Danielle to do it. And again, interesting dilemma here for Dee, right? Like she could just say, yes, I'll do it. But I actually, I'm wondering if by being hesitant to do it, it could give her a little bit more credibility when she promises she'll take him to the final two, right?

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_13] Like if she just instantly says, yes, I'll throw part one to you 100%. Then if I'm Drew, I'm like, okay, she's just going to promise me anything. And like, what if I asked her for like, you know, her firstborn son? Like she would also say yes, probably at this point. But the fact that she's hesitant to agree to that, which is like kind of a not as big of a deal

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_13] as taking somebody to final two, implies to me that she's being more honest about the other thing, which is of course not necessarily true, but it's one of the tells that you can have on somebody is that they're too quick to agree with you. Then that means that they might be lying. I do think that Dee should agree to it though. I think that she should come up to him today on Thursday, the day of the eviction and say, you know what? You little weasel, I'll do it.

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_13] I really don't, I really don't want to, but if it's what it takes, you won this final four veto, you're making this call for me. I'll do it. I'll throw apart one to you. And I think the fact that it will have taken her a long time to come to that conclusion will again give it a little more credibility and it will make Drew feel like he's Dan Giesling, right? Like it'll make him feel,

[01:01:15] [SPEAKER_13] ooh, ooh, I've got a chance to have like really done something here. So I think she should eventually agree to this.

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_14] Yeah, because he's definitely going to be like, he's going to say if he's on the final two chairs, like I agreed for her to throw me that final head of household or the head of household. And yeah, I think it could hold some weight. But then if she comes back with like, you know, I didn't actually, I actually just lost or whatever. She doesn't want him to get that credit. She definitely could say something, but hopefully she's going to come through and say that today. But do you think that she'll actually do it?

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_13] I don't think so. I think she like doesn't want to agree to it fully. Like she says to the cameras afterwards, she's like, I didn't want to lie about throwing because there's no way I'm throwing that competition. So I don't want to lie about that. So I don't even think that for the record that she's thinking about it in the way that I am in terms of like, oh, well, this is, it's just like, it just happens to be like a weird thing she'd prefer not to lie about. I assume because like if she goes on to win part one and she lies about having, about being willing to throw it,

[01:02:20] [SPEAKER_13] then when he wins part two, like is he then less likely to take her because she's broken her word? I think that's overthinking it if that's her thought process. But so no, I don't expect her to go to Drew and say she's willing to throw. But I do think that it will be very telling again if he doesn't ask Devins if he's willing to throw part one of the final three HOH. Because again, that like theoretically, why would you ask the person, the person that you are planning to cut

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_13] to do something for you in the future and not the person that you're planning to keep, right?

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_14] I wonder if Dee will relay this conversation to Devins and Devins be like, wait, he hasn't asked me that yet. Does that mean he doesn't see me in his future? So hopefully that news spreads fast.

[01:03:09] [SPEAKER_13] She certainly should not tell Devins for exactly that reason.

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_14] I do know this, but I wonder if she might.

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_13] I wonder if she might be in the future. So the rest of the night is mostly more of the camera talk. She says to the cameras that she thinks Drew definitely beats Taylor, but she doesn't want him to know that. She would definitely vote for Drew to win over Taylor. She's annoyed that Devins is trying to convince him that Taylor won't win. Because if his mind has already been made up, Devins is just doing damage to hers. Because it did seem like Drew wanted to take Dee to the end, and now it seems like he's thinking maybe he has a better shot against Taylor, which is true.

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_13] And it's not like Devins is trying to sabotage Dee's game. He's just trying to save himself. But what this is doing is like... Here's what I will say. I think that Drew is playing this really well so far. This sort of decision that he has... A lot of people have been in this position before. A lot of people handle it really poorly. They make a choice.

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_13] They want to defend it. Whatever. They do piss somebody off. Maybe the person who ends up getting evicted here does get really pissed off, right? Maybe making them wait for it, making them fight for it, does end up pissing them off a lot. And right now, they're really happy with him because they think that there's still a good chance that they might stay. That's certainly possible. But as of right now, what has happened is he's managed to get a lot of good information from both of them

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_13] as they both fight for his decision. And at the same time, showcase to them how difficult the decision it is. He's crying to Devins after he records his goodbye messages. And then Devins and Dee are talking about how much they love him, how much they would both vote for him in the final two, and how much they appreciate his game and how much he's matured over the course of the summer. And it's like,

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_13] that's a really good place to be in a spot where you're about to evict one of them. Like, he is doing a very good job of this so far to where it does feel like he will get Devins or Dee's vote, that they won't be too mad at him if he makes whatever decision he does. And again, in the process, he's gotten great information, which might have convinced him to move off of a potentially game losing move,

[01:05:46] [SPEAKER_13] which is taking Dee over Taylor, into a potentially game winning move, which is taking Taylor over Dee. And so, we'll see, right? Like, the eviction hasn't happened yet. That decision hasn't been made yet. And there's a world where he, I think, makes the wrong decision here. And it takes Devins and all that stuff. But there's also a world where he's played this very well, better than I think most people in the final four. And it could be what catapults him to winning the whole game.

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_14] Is Drew winning the game? I actually really didn't see him. But are you laying this out? I don't know. He might have, he might be putting himself in the position to win. Wow. A couple days ago, I didn't necessarily see this for him. Or for the out front of the season anyway.

[01:06:35] [SPEAKER_06] Yeah? That's it.

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_14] Hot damn! Hot damn is right.

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_13] So, she, D, yeah, D says she's annoyed. She also thinks that, that Drew really has already made his decision. That is her read on Drew. And, and then again, like they talk about how much they love Drew. They have kind of like, an emotional, we talked about this at the start of the, the update. They have this sort of emotional, like again, talking about the season, throughout the season. Um,

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_13] and it's how it's like their last night together as a, as the three of them. Um, and, uh, Drew's like, I wish I just won the HOH. It would have been better. Um, and, uh, and, and, they're crying and D's crying. And Devin's like, I wish I could feel things.

[01:07:30] [SPEAKER_14] But then when Devin leaves, and then they start talking a little bit more, and you can see that it kind of closes up on, on Drew laying down and he's crying. That solidified his decision for me in this moment that he, it was kind of like saying goodbye to Devin's because Devin's kind of left that group first. And so at the end of the day, that's where I was. I was sad by the whole, you know, breaking them all up. And, um, the fact that Drew was going to have to say goodbye to his dad.

[01:08:02] [SPEAKER_13] Yeah. Yeah. That's about the day. Um, so obviously, uh, you know, I think people were like, what, what, what do I think is going to happen? I think I've laid out the case for why I think Drew is currently still leaning in the direction of evicting Devin's. I also just like, hopefully we went through the day well enough that like, if that's wrong, if it goes in the other direction, hopefully you still understand why he's going in the other direction, right? It's, it's,

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_13] it's D is too close to Taylor. Uh, he doesn't end up believing D will cut Taylor and bring him. He fears getting third place. Uh, he does have this emotional, I mean, he called it and he's, he said himself to keeping Devin's is the emotional decision. Uh, so if he were to do that, um, you would assume it's, it's, there's, it's emotionally motivated to some degree. Uh, so, um,

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_13] so that's seemingly where that's coming from. And I think that that evidence is weaker than the other evidence, but that's not necessarily the case. Uh, and there might be more there that, that either I haven't seen or that, uh, that we haven't seen. But, um, but that's, that's where, that's where we're at. That's where I'm at here at the end of the day.

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_14] And like I said, with all the tears at the end, that's where I'm at as well. Um, I, for a while during the day, I was like, maybe, maybe he's going to keep them. But at the end, before they all went to sleep, I do feel like it was a little bit of a goodbye. And so I think that drew will be cutting Devon's.

[01:09:39] [SPEAKER_13] All right. We'll see, uh, anything else from the day you wanted to bring up Chantel?

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_14] No, we got it all. I, I, this might, I don't know. It might be my last update, but like, it's been a good season to talk about. And I really liked this, this, this last update potentially, um, kind of going through everything. So thanks for seemingly, I don't know. It might not be the last time we talked, but it might be. So, um, it's been a great season. So thank you.

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_13] Yes. Yes. Uh, it has, it has been, I think a very fun season. And I know that, uh, it's been quite a wild one for, for the fan base. Um, but, uh, feel good about, uh, the, the good parts of it, uh, and, um, and sort of embrace, uh, everyone with the appropriate amount of, uh, of empathy and understanding, uh, as, uh,

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_13] as we wrap up the season. So that's it. I'll be back tomorrow. Uh, also noon Eastern. Um, so, uh, noon Eastern tomorrow on a Friday for the last Friday update of the season. We will discuss, uh, the events of tonight, which is a two hour live eviction episode of big brother. I will be live on my Patreon, Twitch and YouTube watching, and then back here on the podcast to recap it. We will also then have, uh,

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_13] some updates on what happens after the eviction. Maybe we'll have results from part one. Uh, so stay tuned for that. Um, and then we'll just, uh, we'll keep it moving. We'll keep it moving here is, uh, as we, as we run forward toward the end of the season, uh, check out my Patreon just in general, heading into the off season. I'm doing a project watching big brother too, and we're doing live feed updates for it, going through the archives,

[01:11:27] [SPEAKER_13] as well as the traders and survivor and things like jet lag and all kinds of fun stuff over on my Patreon through the off season. Uh, there's, I, I've made, I think, uh, we checked last night. I've made like closing in on 600 videos on Patreon in, in just about a year's time. Uh, so there's a lot of content there, uh, especially in the off season. So, so check that out, uh, heading into that off season. Uh,

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_13] Chantel, what do you got going on?

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_14] Well, firstly, Heather here in the, in the chat is asking when will the feeds go down? I do want to know that first before.

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_13] They usually go down, uh, day of the finale in the U S, um, usually around midday. Uh, so, uh, the plan will be for the final live feed update. We will wait until the feeds go down forever. Uh, and then I will do my final, uh, live feed updates, uh, after that.

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_14] Okay. Um, and then for me, you can find me on Instagram at Shan Fran Fran. And I've been talking with Chappelle on his channel, recap, kickback about rock of love. So we'll be getting through the finale and the reunion. Matt Scott will be joining us for the reunion chat. Um, and so it's always a good time. We're going through this flavor of love universe. Um, and I don't know what's coming up next. So that's also fun. I'll find that out on Sunday.

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_13] All right. Well, that is what we have for you then today. Thank you all so much for joining us. And I will see all of you. Next time.

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