BB28 Sunday Nominations Ep Recap, Week 4

[00:00:13] Here's the guy who is here for the drama, who is here for the games. I'm Rob Cesternino. Hello, everybody. Welcome back. Sunday night, Big Brother, weird weekend of Big Brother 28. We'll talk about what happened, what didn't happen, and so much more here with the man who is here getting exasperated over things that aren't even happening. It's Taran Armstrong. Taren, how are you? Rob, sidebar.

[00:00:43] I've got $5,000 for you. Oh. If we pretend I never doubted that D had the power. Yeah, you were. Stood on that ground. You were ten toes down on Saturday. If we delete the clip. $5,000. Bet. I'm in. What do we need to do? Yes. And I'm so excited to be here to talk about this episode with this person because this

[00:01:12] was a night of haters talking on Big Brother. And so it's so great to have Sasha Joseph here. Sasha, how are you? Yes. A hating ass episode. I'm here. You know, women are just so endangered, Rob. So I'm just, I'm so glad to be here. Yes. Can't wait. All right. Excited to talk about everything that's going on on a night where it was Haley's HOH.

[00:01:39] We got to see a lot of Haley's airing of the grievances with the other house guests, which was fun to see on the episode on maybe not such a fun outcome of the HOH. And I'm sure we're going to talk a lot about the power and what everybody thought was happening and a real, you know, curveball ultimately in the episode.

[00:02:07] So I guess let's go there first because I think that there is certainly more meat on the bone to talk about the powers. And it really started on Friday afternoon where there started to be some speculation. Nobody came out with the power of, boy, Drew is acting weird. And he starts talking about a coin. And this is, uh, I would, this is from the live feeds, but I wouldn't necessarily say it's

[00:02:34] spoilers, but, uh, Drew's acting weird. And he starts talking about a coin all of a sudden, Taron, and the internet ran wild with the idea that Drew has the coin flip power and, uh, is going to change the nominations. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, it's really, it's, it's like, uh, it was a little bit like that, like a elevator

[00:03:01] thing where if everyone stands backwards, uh, eventually, cause the evidence was right in front of us, the D thanked the cameras, thanked America to the cameras. Uh, but Drew was saying that it was something about a coin. And, uh, and so initially too, it was kind of like, it was a little back and forth. It was like, well, there's, there's reason to believe D there's reason to believe true. Uh, but then last night, uh, things got even more lopsided because D outright denies that

[00:03:31] she has anything to Devin's. Um, and Drew starts talking about a plan where he's going to nominate certain people, but it won't look like he's doing it at first. It's a really stupid, really funny plan. He can't say anything. And it's just all fits exactly. Plus with D denying it, it was like, all right, things are really starting to lean in this direction. Not to mention the fact that tie that into the very real attitude he had in tonight's episode where he says, I'm good.

[00:04:01] I can throw this HOH when he really shouldn't. Uh, it's like, it kind of tracks that he might be the kind of guy that has a coin in his pocket and didn't flip it. Sasha, Friday night, I was glued waiting for the feeds to go, go down. And for Drew's new nominations to come up. Listen, with a newborn, all I have is time. So I'm looking, oh, y'all are telling me it's Drew. It's Drew. I said, got it.

[00:04:31] I can sleep good tonight. We're, we're making it work. We're making it happen. And then the dragging of Drew, baby, like Drew deserves to come out of this house and like really get each and every single one of us, you know, face to face and just read He's still through this HOH. No, I don't care. I don't care. You, we, we cannot Monday morning quarterback him. Okay. Yeah.

[00:04:59] That, that was that dumb, obviously, but nah, the way people were like this dummy. Is this idiot. Oh my God. Me included. I'm including myself. Let's be clear. You know what? I'm still mad at him. That was so funny. Just damn right that he's so mad at Drew didn't use it. It's like he did something in a dream to us. Yes. You cheated on me in my dream, guys. If you know, you know.

[00:05:28] Mm-hmm. Yeah. So yeah, this is wild. And even into Saturday where, okay, they're going to, that this is very late. They're drawing people for the veto. This is way later than normal that they're going to, when Haley goes to pull the chips out of the bag for the veto, it's going to actually be the coin of destiny is in there. And then she's going to have to change the nominations then.

[00:05:55] And really, uh, to through the weekend where it's like, okay, well that, that this idiot had it and didn't use it. Can you believe it? I couldn't. Cause he didn't, baby. No, I'm just kidding. But I, this is what I love. This is why Big Brother exists. You know what I mean? Yeah. Cause we do dumb stuff like this online. Yes.

[00:06:23] And we go into a mass hysteria. We get into this cult. And then guess what? We're dead ass around. Yeah. We, we have become the Angela. He's a, he's walking around. He's, he's up to something. He keeps talking about this coin. He definitely has it. He's going to use it. We know it. Like we are so sketched out by this guy and he's just living his life. And you know what?

[00:06:52] Maybe he's trolling us. And you know what? More house guests do this, do more of this stuff. Troll us. Cause this was so funny. I'm sorry. I just could not stop laughing at myself. Like, you know, the, the meme of putting clown makeup on like that. Yes. Yes. This is, this is it. Listen, it happens to people all the time. And it certainly happened to many people in the Big Brother community this weekend.

[00:07:21] And you know what? Wait, also shout out to D for not spilling the beans. Cause we always want that on Survivor. We want that on Big Brother, blah, blah, blah. But you know, they always yapping, always doing too much. And this is why she won a million dollars. Well, let's talk about the D aspect of it. Because I think it's worth discussing where Rick Devins got the power, only told D. So I'm going to tell my number one that I, I have this power. We're not telling Angela.

[00:07:51] And it's like they're really locked in. They have a code where that if they, if they D gets the power, they're going to have a code word. And it's going to be a thing between the two of them. So Taryn D does get the power. It's not even the power that we thought might be the most powerful power she could have. Why doesn't she tell Devins she can bribe somebody with $5,000?

[00:08:17] I think this is actually the other side of it because our understanding of what these powers were didn't really incline themselves to the idea that you wouldn't tell anybody. Like the only power that maybe you wouldn't say outright is the coin. But even that's so easily traceable back to you that like, why wouldn't she tell Devins? Well, it turns out this bribe power is a lot different than what we assume. Yes.

[00:08:47] The fact that it's good until the end of the game, not just five more weeks. And, and that it's not just guaranteed safety and that it can be done secretly. All of these factors, I think, lead toward D being like, yeah, I don't need to. I think she would have told Devins about this power if it were Zach's power, if it were something that publicly happened, if it were any of the other powers.

[00:09:13] But the fact that she gets to keep this to the end of the game is like, okay, by the end of the game, Devins might not be on my side anymore. If this was only good for five weeks, yeah, we're good for five weeks. But by the end of the game, I can do this secretly. I can do whatever I want with it. That's a whole different story. And I think that changed the calculus and ultimately was why she didn't tell him.

[00:09:36] Well, I did think it was the BB bribe that we saw Zach have last season, which I, if I recall correctly, I believe that he got $10,000 in the opening night challenge where he saved Julie and then hit the Fortnite emote. And then he also could give up his $10,000 and use that as a veto. Correct? Is that that's what his power? And then he was on the block and chose not to use his not to fork over his $10,000.

[00:10:06] Or I think he had to give the HOH $10,000. Yes. And then but but they couldn't turn it down. Exactly. And that's the key part that they could not turn down the bribe. It wasn't a real bribe. It was just a power where you gave money away. This, on the other hand, according to the wording that it seems to be to be using, it says any houseguest that accepts the bribe must perform the action, meaning they can just turn it down. Meaning.

[00:10:36] This power isn't very powerful. It's not very powerful. Yeah. Sasha, what can you buy for $5,000 in the Big Brother house? You know what? Hopefully some cents. I don't know. Like, would somebody like if this was like a pivotal vote? And maybe if a person is sort of like, OK, I guess I don't care either way. I do for $5,000. But would somebody make like a huge game move for just for $5,000 if they didn't think it was a good move?

[00:11:05] I feel like D can convince people to jump off a cliff. You know what I mean? So she doesn't need the 5K. Yeah. No, she she doesn't need it. That's what I'm saying. So even more reason to give it away and get someone. Here's the thing. If that veto, I forget what it's called, right? Where you can win a bunch of gifts and things like that. And you're like, oh, I want. Yeah. The swap. Yes. Thank you.

[00:11:28] So what if she take someone got taken from and they're pissed as hell, but they, you know, still have some kind of power. I'm, you know, conspiracy guys, please. And she says, great. I got you. I can actually give you $5,000. And how about you help me out? She's creative. I'm sure she could do something with it. But Taryn, for $5,000 is like, I like in this economy. Sure. But it's not like.

[00:11:58] Are people going to do anything that's going to be that crazy for $5,000? No, absolutely not. There's no, like, if somebody is like, D is my enemy in the game. I need to evict her this week. D is getting backdoored. And then D goes, what would you say to this? It would be like handing somebody a dollar bill in the context of the big brother. I was like, this is $5,000.

[00:12:26] You are in the way of me winning $750,000. I'm not going to not target you this week when you're my main enemy. Um, for $5,000. People do dumb stuff for free on this damn show. You know what I mean? Now, I do. I do think there are some uses. The first thought I had was, uh, hold on. It says the bribe must be for a gameplay move such as nominating or not nominating specific people, using or not using the veto, voting a certain way, throwing a competition.

[00:12:56] Throwing a competition is ridiculous. Uh, hey, I'll give you $5,000 to not win this competition. Why do you not want me to win this competition? Hold on. What do you mean? You know what I mean? Like, why would somebody, uh, but voting a certain way is interesting. I would be very curious to know if I were D, can I bribe for a jury vote? Yeah. Yes. Because that would be valuable. Yes. And something that people would actually accept. Yeah.

[00:13:24] So Taylor also is on chat BCC earlier tonight. And it is interesting because ultimately, Sasha, what do you, who do you, what do you care? Who's going to win? Yeah. I mean, if you give me a look. $5,000 and the other person wins. What do I care? Integrity. Honesty. You just have to get the right person. I think 5,000 could definitely sway somebody that maybe has nothing to lose. And here's my question.

[00:13:53] I tell you, I voted a certain way. And if I don't, production is going to interfere. I think it just forces you. I think you go into the diary room and Julie says, so we know which way you're voting. Oh, okay. Throwing the competition is maybe a little stranger, but I think they would just invalidate your win if you want it. Because you must follow through. But what if I suck at comps anyway? Let me get a quick 5K out of it. Exactly. Why not?

[00:14:17] I wonder if it could come up in a situation where we had, you know, this season has been a lot about the renom for who's going to go up on the block at the veto ceremony when the person comes down. Could you get the HOH to go a certain way for a $5,000 bribe? Or would that open up to, oh, well, why do you want so bad for this person to not go up on the block? Right. The thing I was thinking was sort of similar to how you'd operate with a diamond power or veto.

[00:14:46] Instead of using it sort of as written, instead you use it as a collaborative thing. You go to the HOH and you say, listen, I'm pretty popular with the audience. They gave me this power. Yeah. It's $5,000. I have to give it away to somebody. And I want to give it to you because I really like you and I want you to have it. But it's like a bribe power, but I'm not going to I don't have like a thing for you to do. So the whole thing in order for you to get it, you just need to do something that we both agree to.

[00:15:15] So like we can just talk and agree on what you can do. And then if theoretically this like gets you in the conversation to talk about to have some influence over what is the task that they are doing. And maybe it's like nominating a specific person. And it's like, OK, maybe that maybe they wouldn't have nominated that person, but because they had a conversation with you where you had outsized influence because they could get $5,000 doing it. You have a little bit more sway. You get that person on the block.

[00:15:44] Something like that, I think, could work pretty effectively. But it's I just can't see it doing anything major. Let's talk about the bit of an elephant in the room here of BB time capsule. Three weeks in, we've had three winners in going into the BB time capsule and they have been Angela and then Rick and then D are three icons.

[00:16:07] Now, it is certainly possible that Jason would have been a person who would have won the BB time capsule had he stayed in the house this week. But nevertheless, the three icons have walked away with the power. Sasha, this is not looking great for bringing in reality TV vets for the season and then opening up a fan vote to give away powers.

[00:16:35] I mean, I mean, I'm delusional because I was surprised that D got it. Maybe she was second behind Jason and that's why. But it makes no sense. I'm really again surprised. I was surprised that Angela got it. I thought Devin's would get it first. I think it's it just follows the edit so closely. Angela had by far the biggest edit in that first section, especially with the Jason situation.

[00:17:03] Then Devin's had his HOH in the big moment where he was super prominent. And then I was tracking last week that D in particular was shown a lot on Wednesday night's episode. Talking with Angela, talking with Devin's being a voice against Kamu in the episode. She was very prominent. So that's why I initially thought like for sure D's got this. And so I do think it makes a lot of sense on top of the Survivor fans, on top of whatever else.

[00:17:31] But now, Rob, as you're pointing out, like the floodgates are open. Like who knows who could get it at this point? And I was watching this episode and I was kind of like, Melody's in a lot of these segments. I feel like they might be trying to set Melody up for the next recipient here. I think that's possible. Yeah, it's interesting, though. And I know you're talking about that there's some speculation that it's Mallory and it's changing the way that people are looking at them.

[00:18:00] What I'm worried about here is that then the other shoe drops on this where, say, hypothetically, Melody goes and gets the BB time capsule. And guess what? It's a punishment. And now are the people in the house like a Derek X type situation of like, OK, America's favorite Melody. She's out of here. She's going. We don't want her around. She's too popular. No, don't. Don't. Maybe. No, no.

[00:18:27] But like but the thing is, if you get a punishment, it guarantees that you will not ever have a power. Yeah, which could be bad or good. But theoretically, it could mean, oh, she's an easy target. But it also could mean like, hey, we don't have to worry about her moving forward where we might have to worry about somebody like Mallory, who we still think might have one. Yeah, I mean, with the amount of hate like everyone was giving each other this episode, you just want any reason to vote someone out. Melody.

[00:18:57] Here's the thing. Vote for her. Melody, everybody, please. Oh, Ellie would be so mad. I do think. Haters deserve better things. I do think if Melody walked out of the room next week with a punishment after Haley really thought that she did something during her HOH week with Melody, it would really signal to Haley. Because in Haley's mind, Melody is her bully, like a mean girl bully.

[00:19:24] She can understand why Mallory might get a power because Mallory's sweet and she's an underdog. But if Melody got it, I think that really would be like, she'd really have to do some mental gymnastics before she goes. Oh, I love Melody, too. Actually, she's she is so funny. Exactly. Pie on our haters face. Vote Melody. Here's the thing. I haven't seen like a melody is giving like old school big brother, right? Where she's like, no, I actually really don't like you. Like you suck.

[00:19:54] Right. Basically, we deserve players like this and they should be rewarded for it like this, because at the end of the day, it was so frustrating where everyone's kind of rolling over. Or, oh, shucks, we had to vote out Jason. You didn't have to do nothing. You know what I mean? Like you you should have kept a comp piece on your side. Yeah. But instead, you're giving it to folks that I feel like might not use it well. Like if you give it to Barrett, he in the middle. What does he need it for?

[00:20:23] Who's voting for Barrett? Oh, I seen online. No, all of it. And Mallory, maybe she'll use it for herself. Maybe she goes on the block and like, you know, things can happen. But again, we should reward hating ass people. They deserve this. Well, you do have to consider the fact that Melody is on the block, as we saw by the end of this episode. And like Jason, you could be wasting a vote if you vote for Melody.

[00:20:51] So that is another sort of thing to contend with the way that they're voting or that you're thinking about a vote. So, you know, it's it's tough. And I'm very interested to see, I think this week more so than any other week so far, we need to be paying close attention to the edit who is most prominent with a decently positive edit. And so far, I do think that, in my opinion, Melody is probably in the lead for that. But I do think Mallory is still a potential option.

[00:21:21] She still remains in the in the conversation, I think, with a decently positive, relatively present edit. Let's talk about the reign of terror so far, which is Haley's HOH. She ends up winning the competition. This was a competition that I think originated last season. Fun comp. Not that easy to play along, but we like the costumes.

[00:21:49] Fun to see whatever set this is. Yeah, I thought it was I thought it was a good time. I think, yeah, like you said, it's hard to it's hard to play along, but like you it's so visually immediate who's out and who's in that it's not that big of a deal. Like with any competition, I could use less confessionals, less diary rooms in the middle of it. But like in terms of their normal style, I think it's above average for sure. Yeah.

[00:22:18] OK, so we come back. Haley has won the HOH and immediately there's some drama around what kind of snacks would she have in her HOH basket? Taylor is thinks it'll be sugar free snacks. Relate. So relatable. I love snacks. And if I see someone waste their HOH on healthy stuff, immediate vote for me. You know what I mean? Another hating reason.

[00:22:49] Like people that you don't call it a snack. You know what I mean? Just call it like, oh, I'm eating fruit. I'm eating. I'm eating sugar free snack fruit. That's a good question. No, no. I'm just in general. I'm just saying anything healthy. I don't like it. It shouldn't be called a snack. I'm eating my sugar free fruit.

[00:23:13] Yeah, they had to do a lot of work to try to like set up the whole Taylor Haley feud. And the best piece of evidence, like actual tangible evidence they had was Taylor talking about her snacks. Drew talking about what Taylor said and Lala saying something in front of Taylor. And that was anti-Haley. And it was like, hmm, we're really reaching here, aren't we? Yeah. Yeah, we got a lot of petty back and forth between the house guests.

[00:23:44] We got a retelling of the comments that Haley makes about Melody's body. And she really seems to be bothered by that. Melody is just way too perky for the Big Brother house. Boy, and if she gets that leotard costume, the unitard, Haley is not going to like that either. It was very form-fitting. I can't wait. And here's the thing, right?

[00:24:11] The messiest bee you would know is always a man. And here Drew goes back and forth, back and forth, right? Telling Melody about what other people were Haley saying about her. But then telling Haley, oh, this is what, like all these other people are saying, sit your ass down. You know what I mean? Like, no. And you know what he said when he got caught, too? He was like, well, yeah, I'm saying that stuff. I don't want her to know I have a crush on you. Don't piss me off. You know what I mean?

[00:24:41] Don't piss me off. And it worked. She cracked a smile on it. It worked. Don't let it work. The bar is in hell. No, no. The bar is under. Put it under the jail. You know what? Back on. Drew hate campaign, back on. I'm pressing unpause. What was the issue with Lala and Haley? And did Haley hear her when they were talking about a chicken marinade?

[00:25:09] And Haley said that my mom uses Italian dressing to marinate the chicken. And then she walked away and Lala said, nobody cares what your mom does. I love that. I've prayed for times like this. I just want it to be known. Like, I loved this episode. The new school big brother, boring. Everybody is friendship all the time. It's annoying.

[00:25:37] This is what I, this is why I'm here. You keep talking. I love it. I mean, Haley just, we wondered a lot about that. When we saw her and she said, I'm, what did she say? I'm, I'm fun and bubbly. And we were like, this girl, give us nothing that she, we question the casting decision. And Benny still do.

[00:26:03] But maybe, was this the vision that this is a person who is unhinged? I just need like a punching bag. You know what I mean? Like, we got hate on somebody. Did they see Haley and was like, yeah, this is going to be bad. Listen, say what you will about Haley. But she was, she was giving, I think the producers exactly what they want in this episode, which

[00:26:31] is that like, you can just tell that she is, is, is walking through this entire episode of television, gracing us with her presence as the main character. Uh, at least so proud of the various confrontations she gets into the one liners. She drops in the diary room about melody. Like she really thinks that she's, you know, like she's it, you know what I mean? She is that girl.

[00:27:01] And the edit is really happy to be able to be like, well, she's not, uh, and they love that contrast because it's good television. Yeah. So we see Haley's decision-making process, but Taron, uh, how did this night really go in terms of the decision that Haley makes here on what her nominations are going to be? Yeah.

[00:27:26] This is, this is a bit of a strange podcast, Rob, because we usually don't do spoilers prior to the spoiler warning. Uh, but that's because normally we can talk about the events leading up to the nominations or wherever the episode ends without spoiling anything. However, in this episode, they have completely misled you. There's, there's so much else to talk about that would maybe be considered spoilers. Yeah.

[00:27:55] Well, I think spoilers are, we're getting into like who won the veto? What's going to happen with, uh, with, with that, but, but, uh, I think that a, some cleanup is certainly, uh, appropriate. Okay. Some cleanup. Uh, Drew is not the pawn here. Drew is fully the target of everybody on that side of the house. It was discussed prior to the nominations. It was all that they were really, really talking about the whole time.

[00:28:23] Haley initially was thinking about targeting Taylor and just using Drew as a pawn, but she was pretty quickly convinced that Drew should be the target because Devin was pushing it. Angelo has wanted it for a while. And so the idea is that they're trying to convince Drew that he's a pawn, but in reality, despite what is being told to you in the diary room after the nomination ceremony, Drew is firmly the target and firmly will be voted out in any scenario that he stays up on the block on Thursday. I mean, women are under threat, Taryn.

[00:28:52] What do you mean? Haley is a feminist. Okay. She only put up two women instead of three. Duh. Drew's the target. Two thirds. Girl, get out of here. Like, you know what I mean? Melody could get back in there. Come on. One more. Mm-hmm. Yeah. There's a lot of other weird stuff in this episode, like them showing the flashback of Devin's blowing up on Drew.

[00:29:21] That wasn't about the vote. That was about Drew saying that he loved dropping the red corner name in casual conversation. And it wasn't as intense as the edit made it out to be. It was a lot more playful, obviously, though serious. But it was more playful because it wasn't about, like, how dare you bring up possibly voting for Mallory to stay. It was, what are you doing dropping red corner around the house? There were lots of little moments in this episode like that that were just like, really just

[00:29:50] completely kind of changed the overall tone and meaning of a scene, which they normally don't do all that often. Yeah, I think this was a tough episode to put together in terms of what they had for it. We even got a Haley's HOH room reveal, which is not a staple of the show. I'm not sure if we even had one yet this whole season.

[00:30:14] And Sasha, it was also that Haley could drop her speech about how if you talk crap about her and you can't stay in the room and you can't eat her snacks. See, and she really thought she ate it. You know what I mean? Like, she was like, look at me. I'm killing it. I'm such a bad B. Girl, all you know, this is the problem. Haley can only give us like a finite amount of energy.

[00:30:39] And I think she used it all in telling Devin's what she's going to do, because when it was showtime. Embarrassing. You know what I mean? Like, it was like the balloon, the air just got let out. And I, Lala laughing in her face. She was kidding. Could it be something more relatable? You know, because I said, that would be me. Like, first of all, I'm getting voted out first because I'm laughing in your face.

[00:31:07] And like, Haley, read the room. She really, oh, if you're going to not eat my sugar free snacks, get out of here. Girl, nobody wants it. We just don't want to be nominated. I think the thing is that like, if Kamu was trying to be Dan Giesling at the tea party, the problem is that Haley was trying to be Kamu in her HOA.

[00:31:30] Like, she was trying to be him, but he was already a shadow of barely a shadow of something that came before that. And so you could tell, too, like the way that she started the speech, she's like, I'm going to just like Kamu did when he crushed the tea party. And it was just like, oh, boy, this it did not go well. It did not land. Yeah, I nothing. I hate more than like when someone's trying to like be a bad B and it flopped. You know what I mean?

[00:31:59] Like, why are you out here making me defend not a woman? You know what I mean? Like, you're making me make fun of a woman. And that's that's a problem. I hate that for me. Like, OK, Haley, like you pissed me off. Yeah, it does seem like that there is the culture of the house where you really want to, as the HOH, really stick it to the whether it's the other side or specific people.

[00:32:27] And Haley was like itching and waiting and like, finally, it's my turn. I'm going to really let these people. They thought they could say these things about me. And so this is my chance to let them know where they stand. These idiots think I'm about to read my letter. They don't even know what they're in for. She really is like that meme of the person at the party in the corner. Yes!

[00:32:57] They don't even know. Girl, we don't want to know. We don't want to know. Pack it up. Pack it up, girl. So I thought that was a really interesting moment in the episode with Lala and Taylor, where Taylor is coaching up Lala to go up to the HOH room to go throw Melody under the bus.

[00:33:19] And I do think that this is a fun dynamic where we see where Taylor is trying to coach up Lala to do stuff. And so she wants to basically program Lala to go up there and say that Melody is talking smack. Yeah. Yeah. We saw this play out on the feeds. It was, you know, it was basically like a lot of people were talking about like, who can we throw under the bus?

[00:33:46] What I liked about this the most is that is that Taylor had Lala do it for her and then didn't really do it herself, which is a much better way of going about it. But what they didn't show is that Haley retaliated without even knowing that Taylor was the one who brought Lala there in the first place by telling Lala that Taylor was trying to get her out the week before.

[00:34:11] And then Lala spent like a couple of hours being like Taylor was trying to get me out. And Yash had to be like, no, Haley's lying to you. You know, she wasn't. And so there was a whole subplot going on. But this I like this like Taylor continues to show like showcase some really like interesting thought processes in terms of like how to operate, even though obviously she still ends up on the block this week.

[00:34:42] That's because she didn't want to try Haley's snacks and looked at her weird. So what can you do? Okay. It's given Christmas, but anyway. Yeah. Not the season, right? No. I love the season. Number one fan. Okay.

[00:35:04] Let's talk about the confrontation ultimately that Haley ends up having with Melody when Melody finally gets up there because that Haley's going to confront her about this. Inject it. I watched that over and over again. Yeah. Well, don't worry. Haley will tell you about it over and over again. So just have a conversation with her. Thank you, Skip. Skip.

[00:35:34] She said that. Yeah. What's up with that? It's it's it's are you just a mean girl? Yeah. And I got her so bad. I called her a mean girl to her face. Can you believe it? Mm hmm. You only told me about 10 times. She was really excited for this moment.

[00:35:57] So, like, I just to make this clear, she told the story of this conversation so many times. And every time she told the story without fail, she would have a smirk on her face that was just like pure pride in one's own doings. Like and then I called her a mean girl. Yeah. To her face. Yeah. I can't. Oh, I can't wait for that to make the episode. Oh, it's going to be so good.

[00:36:27] But what did you think? Is there a backstory, though, of why Haley is so down on Melody? Like, I understand of OK, that Haley had a thing for Rome and then Rome got taken from her. And then if she likes come. But it's she seems very annoyed. Is it just that is she did she inherit the I don't trust Drew and Melody is always with Drew and is stealing Drew away from the alliance?

[00:36:57] Is that is that? I think, Rob, you're getting confused because you saw Haley talk to Melody. But Haley has that same level of vitriol for everybody. For the most part, it's Melody just happened to be taking the brunt of it in that moment. But like most of her conversations went roughly similar. She doesn't actually have that much in particular about against Melody.

[00:37:23] Melody is just somebody who like hides her disdain the least and therefore takes more of the brunt of it to some degree. But honestly, not even that much more than anybody else. And here's the thing. Haley constantly being like, I'm a girl's girl. If you're a girl's girl, you don't ever have to say it, actually. But constantly telling the men that you're a girl's girl. It's embarrassing.

[00:37:50] And as a serial story repeater, me, I must say, sometimes if you really did the thing and you're like, no, but I have to tell as many people as I can. Read the room, girl. Again. She ate you up. She literally said, no, like I said it. No, you, you know, you take the L, right? Like if you caught someone and they were like, oh, I didn't say that. Right. Like doing all kinds of stuff, walking it back.

[00:38:19] If someone meets your energy and then pushes you kind of out. No, you know, like don't ever don't tell a soul. Ask them to delete the footage. But no, instead, she like is really main character syndrome in her head. She's giving like holding the phone as you go viral for the video you posted. Cut the cameras dead ass. Like that's what I'm so glad the victim of this harassment posted this video. No, no, no.

[00:38:49] That was actually they posted themselves. Girl. Oh. Taryn, how did you think that Melody handled that interaction with Haley when Haley asks her point blank if she was saying those things about her? She did what she could. She was she was talking to Mallory today about like she was trying to give Mallory advice for like what to say to Haley. And she was like, I don't know.

[00:39:17] You could try to be like, I'll keep you safe. But you shouldn't ask me. I'm bad at this. Like, I just told her straight up. I didn't like her. So she said, who would you put up? And she's like, well, you know, you would cross my mind. You would be somebody that I would consider.

[00:39:36] I for what it's worth, I think that Melody being herself in this moment is probably more valuable than her trying to be anybody else because there's not like Melody doesn't have. The thing, at least enough of the thing in this moment with Haley to convince Haley of anything other than what Haley already believes. And so by just doing what comes natural and being herself and saying, yeah, you know what?

[00:40:06] I am for what it's worth. Melody is not on Haley's radar as a target. She thinks that she's worthless in the game. She can't even bother to lie to her face like she's a nothing there in Haley's mind. Haley's mind. Whereas somebody like I won't name any names, but somebody is some other people that come up to Haley and are actually much better at convincing her and much better at lying to her about like what they think and how they feel. Those people she's a little more sketched out on.

[00:40:35] So you never really know how things are going to land. But I think for what for what it's worth in this moment, she played it about as fine as she probably could have. Sasha, what do you think about Haley saying what a hard three weeks she's had in the house? And even this week, it's going to be another long week for Haley. Girl, the victim complex. Oh, my word. You know, like this MF or is not real.

[00:41:04] Like that's what I was. I kept saying when I was listening to her, because, girl, do you read the room? You know, the again, we keep doing this. We're so old, Taryn, that we're like the millennials that are literally sitting here talking about the memes. But, you know, the one that puts the the rod in the wheelchair and then falls. That's Haley. Like she's just like, who did that? Who did that? Oh, sorry. In the bike, not the wheelchair. Delete. Delete the footage.

[00:41:34] Delete it. But that's her. She like constantly like wants to just be the victim so bad. And why? Own it. She's like, I'm a big baddie. Right. Like, look at me. I'm going to be the H.O.H. I'm going to call out my ops. And then all of a sudden, they're so mean to me. No, pick a lane. It can't be both.

[00:41:55] I mean, it is so perfectly representative of our current landscape that like the person in power very much feels like they're being victimized because the people that they're exercising their power against complain about it. It just it kind of tracks, you know, needs a motive also to be like extract this vengeance.

[00:42:21] So she has to have perceived grievances of here's here's all the things they did to me. They said this about me. They said this about me. And so now I'm now it's payback time, you know. And this is the worst kind because we're on a show about putting people up on the block. What does it matter? Why do we constantly have to sit here and be like, here's my reasons to say I don't like you.

[00:42:49] You're not on my side and keep it moving. But no, to sit here and be like, I am just, you know, the victimiest of the victim. And nobody had it worse than me. Girl, Kim, there's people that are dying out here, you know? Yeah. Well, Taryn, it's like what you were saying with the Kamu and Jason. It's like you did this to yourself. This is your you did this. It's I'm not doing this to you. You did this to yourself. A hundred percent. Yeah.

[00:43:16] Like the you you chose to to make the actions that you did. Would this have happened to you anyway? Yes. But you. Helped me justify it. So your faults. If you hadn't done that, I would have had to just admit that what I was doing was what I was doing. But you you walk right into you walk right into it. And now it's your faults. Just say she hates my snacks.

[00:43:44] I I would be like that is iconic. Let's put that in the BB Hall of Fame. You know what I mean? Do that. Du bist laut, bunt, schrill. Du lebst dein Traum, bis du auf den Wohnungsmarkt kommst. Da heißt es plötzlich sei realistisch. Vergiss es. Die Realität hat dein Traum eiskalt gekillt. Schwärbe Schall sagt, start dreaming again. Deine Träume sind nicht zu groß. Die Welt hat nur verlernt groß zu denken.

[00:44:13] Also make it crazy. Make it bold. Make it you. Mach Bauspahn zum Schlüssel für deine wildesten Ideen. Let's make it real. Mit Schwärbe Schall. I want to bring in the pawn conversation that Haley's going to have with Barrett and Drew. We see both of them back to back here in the episode where Haley tells Barrett of how she wants to bring a pawn into this to take some heat off of the tool shed.

[00:44:42] Barrett says that that sounds like a good idea. He's on board. At this point, Barrett knew that Drew was the option. He didn't know that Drew was the target quite yet. But he was mostly just trying to not step into the line of fire, basically. And he very nearly did. This conversation did not go well for him. No. Oh, bless.

[00:45:12] And then we finally got to see Haley talk to Drew. And, you know, he comes in and, Taryn, you talked about this a bit. He's always joking. He's always kidding, kidding, not kidding. And he comes in and he's like, hey, hey, I hear you're really mean. Oh, boy. Yeah. I mean, this, I mean, Drew and Haley talk right past each other.

[00:45:42] They do not speak the same language as far as I'm concerned. I don't, she probably didn't even hear what he said when he said that. Yeah. Haley loves, hates fun. Drew is only fun. Can't imagine. So ultimately, Yasha's off the table and she tells him at the end, you're good. But I guess that means you're going up on the block.

[00:46:09] Like, yeah, she ultimately did not give him the heads up that he was going up on the block, which is a totally normal thing to do to an ally that you're actually just using as a pawn and for sure is going to, are going to keep safe. So he, he did have a very good idea that he would be up, but he never got confirmation from her that that was happening. And we were like, oh, he would have played the coin. He would have flipped the coin if he only knew. Oh, he should have flipped it.

[00:46:35] And the amount of people that just have gone in on him after they saw the knobs. Mm-hmm. Yeah. All right. Well, let's talk about what happened after that. Anything else from the episode proper? Oh, well, this kind of happened at the start. Yes. But they muted Kamu saying zesty. They just said bestie. Interesting. On the block. And look at why, why you did that. You know what I mean? No. Mm-hmm.

[00:47:04] It's a very strange choice because the only people that would notice are the people that already knew it happened. Yeah. Like the only, like, you know what I mean? Like the only people that even like, even like knew that, that it should be muted already, already heard it. Exactly. My ears are fine. I don't have. By muting it, it's kind of like an, an implicit acknowledgement that they thought it was offensive. Mm-hmm. So instead of like doing it, you know, the right thing. And calling it out, we'll just delete.

[00:47:34] Mm-hmm. Yeah. I just wanted to call it out. Cause like, don't piss me off Kamu. And you're not off my list. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. That's all. All right. Let's now, we'll get into everything from the weekend. Just a quick note. Hey, come out and see us at RahapCon, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. It's going to be in a couple of weeks. We are going to have a couple of nights of Big Brother in person.

[00:48:04] Also, the live feed update is going to be in person as well. Plus games. Yep. We've got it all happening at RahapCon. Tickets are at RahapCon.com. And with that, let's get into talking about what's going on on the old live feeds. Here we go. The Office of Civil Defense has issued the following message. This is a spoiler warning. A spoiler.

[00:48:31] Warning means that an actual spoiler against this country has been detected and that protective action should be taken. Yes. Okay. Is that the melody pump up dance, Taryn? I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. All right. I need that. All right. So, we waited for Drew to flip the coin. It never happened, unfortunately.

[00:49:01] But what did happen, Taryn? We had a veto competition. It was a bit of a war-ass veto. Who said that war-ass veto? Melody did. Yeah. When she did it at a totally unrelated dance. And the veto competition was the competition where you drink the poisoned wine. And Taylor came away with the win. Okay.

[00:49:32] Yes. So, Taylor, who was the backup target. Yeah. The backup target. If Drew was safe, Taylor was the intended backup target. Now she is safe. Okay. And as has been the case in the House over these couple of weeks, the battle for a replacement nom then begins. So, where are we landing with a replacement nom for tomorrow?

[00:49:57] So, the very first idea that Hayley had, first conversation she had with Devin's, we saw it on the episode. She initially had thought of Lala as the replacement nominee. That very quickly changed to Melody, or sorry, to Mallory as the replacement nominee, which was part of the big conversation she had when she acknowledged Drew as the official target.

[00:50:17] However, something else has been the official target.

[00:50:47] Lyric warrior. Lyric warrior. Lyric warrior. Her champion in battle. And he's like wearing her scarf. I don't remember what the things are. He like took her favor and he's wearing it in the tournament. And he's like, I fight for Lyric's honor. She shall join the red corner and replace that of Drew. And so, Hayley's like, like hell she will. I mean, yeah, I'll take her in, but she's going up on the block, Kamu.

[00:51:19] And there's a lot of talk about how Hayley is now jealous of Kamu and Lyric. And for that reason, she wants Lyric on the block instead of Mallory, despite Kamu's pushing. In fact, almost because of Kamu's pushing for Mallory to go up instead of Lyric. It's actually gotten so bad that a genuine rift seems to be forming that Dee and Devens and Angela are very happy to continue to push.

[00:51:45] And so, as of right now, Lyric is the replacement nominee. All right, Sasha, weigh in on Lyric for us. Lyric is cool. Yeah. I can't make fun of anybody's voice. I want to make that clear. So, you know, people that have been dragging her voice. That just said it all, huh? Stop it. Stop it. How do you feel about Lyric? I don't like making fun of people's voices.

[00:52:13] Listen, because same, you know? Like, I also sound like I maybe inhaled helium before I got on the podcast. But I understand. But no, I enjoy, like, and here's the thing. We need more people like Lyric on shows like Below Deck, where they just be dragging them in. You know, like, just take them in and do whatever you want. I appreciate that. We need her to play more men. But I don't know if it's actually going to happen.

[00:52:43] Yeah, I am a Lyric fan. I am rooting for her. But in this current situation where it's her or Drew or Melody, I might be rooting for Lyric to go on Thursday. And is she even really with the other side? Like, I have a feeling like if she won an HOH, she might put the other people. Like, Tara, what would she do, right?

[00:53:11] She might equivocate. Yeah, I mean, I think ultimately she would side with the Giggle Girls and in that side of the house. But I could easily see her doing, like, trying to play the middle. Like, I'll throw up Lala. I'll throw up, like, is it okay if I put Barrett up?

[00:53:37] Or, like, is it, like, maybe I'll put up Hayley with Kamu's backing. Like, I do think she, like, this is what happens when you find any small amount of success with the other side. It's like it's all a trap to get you to do their bidding while they continue to take out the rest of your people. All that said, you know, I think there's a very real chance she actually does something big with it, too.

[00:54:02] You know, the way that she has talked is very much like, I'm doing what I need to do, but I know where I lie. I know where I stand. The problem is that the longer that her side is out of power, the deeper she goes undercover. And, you know, it's like, is she going to lose herself at some point is the question. Could she get Kamu to do whatever she wants? No, I don't think she could.

[00:54:26] I think that's only because Devin's can get Kamu to do whatever he wants first. And then there's other people in line ahead of her, basically. Do you think there's potential for with Lyric on the block for there to be more of a fissure within Red Corner over what Hayley wants versus what Kamu wants? Yes. Yes. Okay. That's something.

[00:54:57] I was not expecting such enthusiasm. Listen, we're praying for a person that doesn't even have a power to use it. We have very little. Shambles. We are looking for crumbs. We're all. The question is, what happens if Drew wins the blockbuster between Melody and Lyric? And I think that it's kind of an interesting one.

[00:55:25] Melody will have Drew as a supporter, which is bad for her because anything Drew wants, the house will want the opposite of. Lyric will have Kamu as a supporter, which will be bad for her because whatever Kamu wants, Hayley kind of wants the opposite of when it comes to Lyric. Mallory will have to decide. And I think right now she's leaning on the Melody side of things, wanting to keep Melody. I think Barrett would prefer to keep Melody.

[00:55:55] And this is also kind of bad for Melody because the more that that side wants to keep Melody, the more the other side has incentive to not keep her. If they were trying to protect Lyric over Melody, then they'd be like, oh, that's not good. Maybe we want to do the opposite of what they want. But ultimately, I really think it could go either way because, again, the Kamu factor. But also, remember, I keep talking about it because they keep talking about it. The Melody factor.

[00:56:24] Most of the people on that other side think she's a nothing player, that she's not worth anything in the game. And in the event that Drew comes off the block, they might not want to further antagonize him and expose that they want him out by voting out Melody over Lyric. Now, will Drew even put up enough of a fuss? It's a whole other story. But there is something here. There is certainly a back and forth. Yeah. All right, Sasha. Okay.

[00:56:54] I'm in like the bargaining stage of grief. You know what? What if Drew just goes on Thursday? You know, he doesn't even really have the power. He's not doing anything. He says he has a plan, but it's not going to work. Is the hatred of Drew just keeping that side together maybe? Listen, you need a common enemy. But currently, I think they all know that they're mutually beneficial.

[00:57:21] Because the icons, I think, are the glue. Yeah. That are going to just somehow drag this to the end. And here is my personal dilemma. Right? Like, I agree, Rob, as always, you know, with you that Drew got to go. I think it's time, girl. Bye. I like him. But what's happening? What are we doing here, Drew? Exactly. It just, please. The hater, let's keep.

[00:57:49] Lyric, maybe she'll, you know, black widow her way through. Make something happen for us. Let's be delusional. I have more faith in that. Thank you. Because Drew, you're too messy. I don't like, you know, stay out of women's business, you know? Stop. Okay. I don't like the little back and forth, back and forth nonsense. If Drew, if Drew leaves, I think it's, it's the end of like the first act of the season.

[00:58:16] I think that we enter a new era of the season that, that, that likely feel very different. Because this first act of the season has felt so focused on this power structure and the impending doom that is targeting Drew because of it. As soon as Drew leaves, what do they have to talk about anymore? Because Drew is all they've been talking about for a month. And so I really do think Drew leaving would change a lot in the dynamics of the house.

[00:58:45] And I just want Kamu to go so that y'all, I think I can just start rooting for the steamroll. I don't even care. The underdogs stay pissing me off anyway. Yeah. I mean, Drew, I don't want to write his big brother obituary yet, but this was a guy that they said, it's Dr. Will. It's Dan. He's playing, he's playing the biggest game. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:59:13] We wrote Zach Rance's eulogy once upon a time. Uh, or you did at least. Yeah. And, you know. And he stayed. He stayed, but he didn't really. You hurt Lundingus. A little longer. Yeah. But you know what? I feel like that, but Big Brother 16, Zach was like entertaining on a level that Drew, with all due respect, is a lovely guy. He's not super entertaining on the show. He's not like, I'm sure.

[00:59:42] I think he finds himself to be extremely entertaining, but he has not been a huge entertaining TV presence. I think that we see the potential. He looks like that he could be that, but to this point, he has not been that. But you know him. The thing holding him back. Oh, sorry. No, it's just him snitching back and forth, though, did give us good moments. Sure. I think that's what I mean.

[01:00:09] I think the biggest thing holding him back is his lack of actual game movement. I think he absolutely could be a really entertaining character, but he's limiting himself by being so loyal to the vets and not realizing that he needs to do something. Yeah. And I think that's the frustration. There's a lot of motion, but there's really no movement. He's doing a lot, but he's not going anywhere. Yes. Yeah. All right. What is he planning, though, Taron?

[01:00:35] And he talks about that he has this plan, this fun plan. You got to see it next week. And it's going to be huge. And it's going to be and it's going to look it's going to be and you're not going to know that he's doing it. What is he planning? I think he just plans to nominate the three red corner people. I think that maybe he's thinking he'll throw up like two of them in a pond and then backdoor the third. I don't know. Oh, I have no idea what he could possibly be talking about.

[01:01:04] And he says it will look like I'm not doing it. And then I will unless he means that, like, he's going to act like he's fully team tool shed. Yeah. And then at the nomination ceremony, blindside all three of them. That's actually now that I think of it probably what he's saying. But that's I think that's his plan. He just plans to target red corner. The three Kamu, Haley and Chuck. Yeah. Three of them on the block. And that's that's that. Now, if that happened. Rick Devins would not use the diamond power veto in that scenario. Certainly not. You better not.

[01:01:35] All right. So. All right. So a reason to hope for Drew. I mean, that would be fun. I would enjoy the red corner going up. Chuck would maybe finally get. I think Chuck went over the episode. Maybe he had a confessional in the HOH challenge. Oh, right. He did. He did have that conversation with Haley. I was like, hey, that's that guy. Just Chuck on the show. Yeah. But you know, I'm not mad. Like you do you, boo.

[01:02:04] Like if you're going to get too close to the end by just floating. Go ahead, girl. Give us nothing. OK. Anything else of note, Taryn, from where things stand? Uh, for, uh, what are the, what are the Yash people call themselves? I forget. Uh, Yash cans, maybe? I don't remember. Yash cans. I, I, is, uh, it's hard for me to keep track.

[01:02:30] Um, that, uh, Yash, who has been on the rise, uh, is, has unfortunately attracted the attention of the Eye of Sauron. Um, he, uh, he has, has gotten into the ire, the vision of one Angela, uh, Murray. And, uh, she is already talking about, uh, she, in her world, Drew is already gone.

[01:02:56] And she's prepping for the Yash backdoor because, uh, she heard that he said that she could go. Angela. Her Karen-ness knows no bounds. It's so funny. Like, I didn't even know Yash was doing enough for him to be on anyone's radar. Like, he'd just be there doing nonsense, shouting out DJ Khaled, right? Like, what? Cut his hair! Cut- And, you know what?

[01:03:26] No. Angela, I'm back with you. Just take her razor. Just go, whoom. Then send him out. It's fine. Let's do that. Let's have some fun. Let's have some fun. Yeah, Yash really worked a good deal with Hailey where she kept him safe. Wasn't even up for consideration. And it was all Hailey saying it to them, mind you. Yeah. Do they have much of a relationship, Hailey and Yash? Not really.

[01:03:54] It was just that deal that she really honored it? They all just, like, Yash really went from, like, a lot of people not really vibing with him to everybody loving him. Yeah. And everybody feeling good about him in a way that where, like, them vouching for him, didn't set off any, like, crush triggers. So that kind of worked out. Okay. I can't even be mad.

[01:04:22] You know, again, crumbs of my representation that I get. So I gotta go for Yash. Because what else do I got, guys? Please. What is the... What am I missing with Yash cans? I assumed it was, like, trash cans. Trash cans? Yeah. Yeah. That's not nice. That was my... I couldn't come up with anything else. I thought so, too. Is that not it?

[01:04:52] I have to be right. My name is pronounced... Well, if you are Indian, I feel like you're pronouncing his name Yash, not Yash. Like, him trying to, like, Americanize the pronunciation of his name is frying me. Every time he says it, I just want to, like, you know, something in me dies. And then now that this, like, mispronounced thing has become Stan, like, and I have to just call myself a Yash can. I can't even do it. Yash can. I can't.

[01:05:22] Big Brother, please cast a better they see. That don't get sent home like Ovi. Okay. All right. Anything else, Sasha, on your mind, BB-28? No. What a fun episode, honestly. It's a horrible itch-o-itch. Yes. Well, this is a perfect night for you to be here. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Taryn, anything else you're thinking right now? I think we're good. Okay. All right.

[01:05:50] Well, let's talk about what else is coming up here on RHAP. I told you about RehapCon. And then over on Patreon, we've got a ton of content coming your way. We'll be back, Taryn and I, with the mailbag this week. You can send your questions in. Go to robinswebs.com slash bbmailbag. Plus, we will update the win odds percentages. And, Taryn, I sense some even more consolidation forming. I do as well.

[01:06:20] Some tightening of the odds here. And it's looking a little bleak for a lot of folks in the house. Then on Tuesday, I'll be back with Chappelle for another week of The Slop. And I've been seeing a lot of slop out there already between what Jason is tweeting about the season and much, much more over on The Slop this week. Tomorrow night, we're back. It's the Stock Watch.

[01:06:50] Yes. It's going to be an interesting one. There's a lot of things to do and a lot of people to rate and things to vote on. Okay. Stay tuned. All right. We'll see how the season rank, the season number is doing. Could be taking a bit of a dip. Then, of course, Summer of Stein on Thursdays. I just had a great conversation with Eric.

[01:07:17] Summer of Stein is evergreen, even if you don't watch it before the eviction episode. Lots of great stuff there. Big Summer of Stein coming up this week. Be on the lookout for this Thursdays episode in particular. And then over on the Survivor feed, Mike Bloom and I have been doing the Survivor time trip. We're sitting at the timetable and we're going back to certain episodes with iconic Survivor players. And with Sandra Diaz-Twine, we rewatched the Survivor Pearl Island premiere.

[01:07:45] So check that out over on RHAP. Sasha, what's coming up for you? Yes. Here on Rob is a podcast. Check out Dancing with the Stars, the next pro. How has it been? I'm enjoying it. A fun, silly little moment, you know, while we get ready for actual Dancing with the Stars. So it's just, it's a cute little one hour watch where you get to watch some dancing, some drama. Not enough drama. Even though they're all living in a house, I need more. Oh.

[01:08:15] But the person that wins this does go on to become the literal next pro on Dancing with the Stars, proper. And your friend Mark Ballas is the judge with his mom. With his mom. So very fun. Judging has been outstanding. Matt Liguori and I are just having the time of our life. Check that out. And for more pop culture, silliness, everything, check out Mess Magnets on messmagnets.com. Okay. All right, Sasha. Great job tonight. Taryn, what's coming up for you?

[01:08:43] Live feed update in the morning. Roundtable tomorrow night. Find me on my Patreon doing live streams of the episodes and the live feeds. That's about it. Okay. All right. Fun Sunday night here. We'll see where Big Brother goes here on another big week. Take care, everybody. Have a good one. Bye. Bye.