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[00:00:55] Hi everybody and welcome back to TV for Real, where reality and scripted TV collide.
[00:01:17] My name is Mike Bloom. I am joined as always by Sasha Joseph. Hey Sasha.
[00:01:22] Hello. We – I'm so excited. Listen, it's gonna be a spooky time today.
[00:01:28] Yes, absolutely. I am wearing, you know, my best spooky formal regalia, I suppose.
[00:01:36] I feel like that should be like an aesthetic for a party instead of business casual is like spooky formal.
[00:01:40] But let me formally introduce our guest here. He is a passionate person of not only all things horror,
[00:01:47] but really television and movies in general. Very excited to welcome to TV for Real the winner of Big Brother 15,
[00:01:54] the one, the only, Andy Herron. Hi. Thank you so much for having me.
[00:01:58] It's nice to not talk about Big Brother for a change.
[00:02:02] What? I'm also wearing my – I'm so – nobody ever talks about Gail Weathers in the final, like best final girl conversation,
[00:02:09] but I'm sorry. I absolutely think she should be in there.
[00:02:12] She is my favorite movie character of all time. Wow.
[00:02:15] I'm so excited. Interesting. Okay. So yeah, let's just get into this thing. Yeah.
[00:02:22] Because like for those that are of the uninitiated, I mean, first off, if you're not following Andy on social media,
[00:02:26] what are you doing with your life? But you are an avowed fan of the Scream franchise.
[00:02:32] Yes, I am. It's my favorite movie franchise.
[00:02:35] So what was – like when did it start for you? Were you like a day one adoptee?
[00:02:40] Did you fall in line with one of the sequels? So I was seven – hold on. Yeah, wait. No.
[00:02:46] Okay. I was born – I was nine. Okay. I was nine when Scream 1 came out.
[00:02:50] And I remember I – my parents did not monitor what I watched whatsoever as a child,
[00:02:56] which like I think was a little not great, but also I think it was mostly great
[00:03:00] because it made me like exposed to the world at like an early age, if that makes sense.
[00:03:04] And I turned out relatively normal. But so I was like nine. I rented Scream 1.
[00:03:10] And I remember my grandma was living with us at the time.
[00:03:13] And our living room like backed up into our kitchen, which like it was like open kind of, you know what I'm saying?
[00:03:18] If you were in the kitchen, you could see it in the living room.
[00:03:20] So I put on Scream and I'm like sitting directly in front of the TV on the carpet watching it.
[00:03:24] And my grandma was like sitting in the kitchen.
[00:03:26] And as the movie played, I kept like backing up and backing up and backing up to the point where I was like just sitting with my grandma
[00:03:34] Scream on the TV in the living room, it scared me so much.
[00:03:37] Also like it scared me so much in a good way.
[00:03:41] It like made me fall in love with horror movies, which I didn't really – they weren't really on my radar at that point.
[00:03:47] And so then one year later, Scream 2 came out and I was 10.
[00:03:51] And my dad actually did take me to see it in the theater.
[00:03:55] And so I've seen every Scream movie. I'm like – I hope I don't – you could just tell me to shut up whenever I –
[00:04:01] No, this is all about you.
[00:04:03] I've seen every Scream movie in the theater post Scream 2.
[00:04:06] And the only other really notable one, when I was in – it was my final week of grad school in 2011 when Scream 4 was coming out.
[00:04:15] And my grad program culminated not in a thesis, but in something called comprehensive exams,
[00:04:20] which was where like all of my classes throughout grad school, I was put in a room for like 10 hours.
[00:04:27] And I had to like answer – like for each class I took, I had to like write out a one – like I had like an hour to write out like a multi-paragraph answer to an essay question that was given to me by my professors, if that makes sense.
[00:04:40] And so the problem was that my comprehensive exams – it was a two-day period, so like five questions one day, five another.
[00:04:47] It overlapped with – or it was like the Wednesday and Thursday before Scream 4 was opening that Friday.
[00:04:52] And so truly all I cared about was Scream 4.
[00:04:55] I've never been more excited for a movie to open in my life.
[00:04:58] And my comprehensive exams, you either got a high pass, a pass, or a low pass, or a fail.
[00:05:03] But like nobody failed them.
[00:05:05] And so I was like a good student, but I just didn't care because I was way too focused on Scream 4.
[00:05:11] And so basically, long story short, I got all low passes on like all of my questions.
[00:05:17] And my professors were like, what happened?
[00:05:19] Like you're normally a lot better than this.
[00:05:21] And I was just like, I have to be honest with you.
[00:05:23] I truly just did not care about this.
[00:05:25] Like Scream 4 is opening this weekend.
[00:05:33] Come with me to the theater for each one.
[00:05:35] Wow.
[00:05:36] They like to like watch me watch them.
[00:05:38] And actually fun reality TV crossover.
[00:05:41] Detox from RuPaul's Drag Race is like my good friend and comes to the Scream movies.
[00:05:46] And so I have watched Scream 5 and 6 sitting next to Detox.
[00:05:50] Wow.
[00:05:52] I mean, Detox is coming at you with the slow verse.
[00:05:55] Scream is coming at you with the reprises.
[00:05:57] I mean, so what was it about Scream?
[00:05:59] Was this like your first exposure to horror movies?
[00:06:02] Or had you watch others at like inappropriate ages?
[00:06:05] Yeah, I had seen things here and there.
[00:06:06] But it was my first concrete memory of like really loving a horror movie.
[00:06:12] And then over the course of that next year, I feel like I went back and I watched like all the classics.
[00:06:17] Like Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th.
[00:06:19] Although Friday the 13th is by far my least favorite.
[00:06:21] But I caught up.
[00:06:23] And then ever since I have been like an avid, I love, love, love horror movies.
[00:06:28] It's my favorite.
[00:06:29] Horror movies and romantic comedies are my two favorite genres.
[00:06:31] And they're really rough ones to love because for every good one, there are like five bad ones.
[00:06:37] But I also feel like horror is getting a lot better.
[00:06:40] Like there aren't as many terrible horror movies coming out anymore.
[00:06:43] And I really appreciate that.
[00:06:45] But yes, Scream 1 was my first foray into loving horror.
[00:06:50] Yeah.
[00:06:51] So were you like growing up, Andy?
[00:06:55] I feel like I really relate to what you're saying because I used to cry to watch these like really scary shows because a lot of stuff maybe was censored.
[00:07:07] Growing up, I grew up in India.
[00:07:08] So media was censored, not even by my family, just culture wise.
[00:07:14] Anyway, but boy, if you add a scary movie or a scary anything, I was sad.
[00:07:22] There was a show called Aja, which means like a sound that you hear.
[00:07:26] Like that's what it translates to, an approaching sound.
[00:07:29] And it was a show that came on daily from 95 to 2015-ish.
[00:07:35] And boy, yeah.
[00:07:36] And when I tell y'all, I used to cry to watch the show.
[00:07:40] And I was like three years old.
[00:07:42] Oh.
[00:07:42] I mean like I need to watch Aja.
[00:07:44] And to this day, my mom's like, but why are you scared of movies now?
[00:07:48] When you were little, this is like all you'd want to watch.
[00:07:53] No, so that's the one thing I don't, I don't get scared.
[00:07:57] It's like, I actually love when a movie actually scares me.
[00:08:02] Really?
[00:08:03] Rarely.
[00:08:03] Like I'm the type of person where I will put on a horror movie like to fall asleep.
[00:08:08] Like I will like drift off while someone's getting their head chopped off.
[00:08:11] And I like don't think anything of it.
[00:08:14] And so that's why like I really, really, really admire when a scary movie actually gets under my skin because it happens so rarely.
[00:08:21] Yeah.
[00:08:22] That's fair.
[00:08:23] So then are there that really get under your skin?
[00:08:26] Like what's the list of the exclusives?
[00:08:28] I mean, like I'm trying to, so the rain was the scared, was the most scared I've ever been in the movie theater.
[00:08:33] I mean, I was younger and I've since rewatched it and I don't think it's as scary.
[00:08:37] But I was very scared in the theater when I saw that one.
[00:08:40] The remake of The Hills Have Eyes in 2006, I thought was very brutal.
[00:08:45] And like that one was one where I was just like, oh boy, this is making me feel awful.
[00:08:49] But like in a kind of a good way, if that makes sense.
[00:08:54] Most recently, I actually was scared at Smile 2 and like that never happens.
[00:08:59] And so I've been like recommending it to everyone.
[00:09:02] It's just like you.
[00:09:03] It's like the type of scared where, you know, there's a jump scare coming, but they really, really, really prolong it.
[00:09:09] And so you're just totally on edge.
[00:09:10] And I love that.
[00:09:11] Oh, that is just one of the like most uncomfortable things that everything can do.
[00:09:19] I would rather, that's the thing you can, you can absolutely live that.
[00:09:22] And I respect, I have so much respect for the people that enjoy it.
[00:09:26] To say it's not my bag would be an understatement.
[00:09:28] Like I think I just live in a constant state of anxiety that I think for me, it's like,
[00:09:32] I don't want to like willingly immerse myself in this, you know, but, but, but, but, but I'm a curious MF-er.
[00:09:40] And so I will peruse all Wikipedia pages for all horror movies and look up exactly what's going on.
[00:09:48] Because I'm genuinely curious.
[00:09:50] Like I looked up Smile the other day and I even looked up pictures of the freaky demon when he actually does like make himself visible towards the end of the first movie.
[00:09:58] But I am more than happy to enjoy from many, many arms later.
[00:10:02] No, one of my, I have a couple, two of my best friends are babies and like are very, very scared of babies.
[00:10:09] Yeah.
[00:10:10] And one of my favorite things to do to the two of them is if they will allow me to, I will be like, oh my God, can I, can I describe a scene to you?
[00:10:19] And so the best, the, uh, the Terrifier movies, I don't know if you've heard of these.
[00:10:23] They are like insanely, they're like unrated because they're so gory.
[00:10:28] There's no way they would ever get an R rating.
[00:10:30] They're so over the top gory.
[00:10:32] And so I will explain scenes that happened in them to these two friends in particular.
[00:10:36] And one of my friends was like, I feel like I'm going to faint.
[00:10:39] Like when I was done.
[00:10:42] Oh my God.
[00:10:43] So then I have to ask the both of you, uh, you know, do you have a specific kind of horror that you like?
[00:10:50] Like Andy, you talked about, right?
[00:10:51] Like going to bed and maybe even being okay with a gore.
[00:10:55] I think for me personally, like gore is where I just, I cannot, but a good psychological thriller, I'm there.
[00:11:03] Then I'm, I'm with you.
[00:11:04] And then I say, okay, let's do it.
[00:11:06] Like split.
[00:11:07] I was so scared.
[00:11:09] I was shaking in the movie theater, but as soon as it was over, I was like, that was a good movie.
[00:11:15] And I left it, you know, like it didn't come home with me.
[00:11:18] Yeah.
[00:11:19] Yeah.
[00:11:19] That's what I'm into.
[00:11:21] Body horror is also a no go for me.
[00:11:23] I think, well, I think to your point, Andy, like if it's just like cartoonishly violent, it's fine.
[00:11:28] Cause it's more desensitized.
[00:11:29] But I think the more like realistic it gets, the more just like makes me not even interested in what's happening.
[00:11:36] That's all I can think about.
[00:11:37] I guess like these aren't, I don't know.
[00:11:40] It's, it's tough to call them horror movies, but for me, like I am good for a slasher.
[00:11:44] Yeah.
[00:11:44] I'm especially a classic one.
[00:11:45] Like scream is a great example, but even like the original nightmare on Elm street, like maybe it's just looking at it through the lens of like 40 years later when it's like, oh yeah, there's, there's some like fun hokey effects.
[00:11:56] Here you can sort of see the wires behind the scenes, but like there's enough of a plot and a sense of dread without like what it is really for me is like, sometimes I know Andy, you talk about those jump scares and the prolonging of them, but like sometimes they're so cheap.
[00:12:10] Sometimes it really is just like, well, we haven't done anything for a while.
[00:12:13] I totally agree with you.
[00:12:15] And that's why I love smile too, because a smile too is filled with them and they feel earned, which I thought was chef's kiss.
[00:12:22] I loved it.
[00:12:24] But like for me, I mean, like, I feel like if I lived in like a house in the suburbs, I think I would be more afraid of like home invasion stuff.
[00:12:33] Yeah.
[00:12:34] I live on the 29th floor of a giant high rise.
[00:12:36] And so like, I'm not very scared of that.
[00:12:39] If that makes sense.
[00:12:39] Like, no, yeah, no, it makes a lot of sense.
[00:12:41] Like, yeah.
[00:12:42] Once I, once I started like moving out to the suburbs, I was looking up the plot of funny games and I'm like, oh, oh no.
[00:12:48] Oh no.
[00:12:49] Funny games is another good one that makes you feel horrible.
[00:12:51] Well, you're like, I mean, actually, this is, this is an interesting funny games.
[00:12:56] I would say is the most people I have ever seen walk out of a theater.
[00:13:00] I would say half the theater left.
[00:13:02] And I'm not sure how much you know about funny games, but funny games, like the whole thesis of the movie is like from the director is you paid to see this.
[00:13:10] Like, I'm going to make it as miserable on you as possible.
[00:13:14] Like it's a big F you to the audience.
[00:13:16] And so like, I mean, spoiler alert for anyone that, I mean, the movie's been out for 20 years, but like at one point the main character, it's like, it's about these two guys that show up at the vacation house of a family and just like torture them and kill them.
[00:13:28] Yeah. And at one point the wife picks up a gun and shoots one of the bad guys.
[00:13:33] And you're like, oh, perfect.
[00:13:34] Okay, good.
[00:13:34] The movie rewinds and he takes the gun away from her.
[00:13:39] Oh, yeah.
[00:13:40] It's that type of a movie.
[00:13:41] And so I respect what it does.
[00:13:44] But also like I understood when people were getting really mad.
[00:13:48] Well, because it's not fun to watch, but as like a piece of art, I can respect it.
[00:13:54] Yeah, that's the thing is like, especially nowadays, too.
[00:13:57] But like it does feel like, you know, we're bringing new people in who are creating these things that have been raised on things like Dream and Scream itself was incredibly meta.
[00:14:08] Right. You have a character like Randy just outlining, hey, these are how all horror movies work.
[00:14:14] And so what I've been so mystified again from many, many paces away is like how the genre sort of reinvents itself and uses, you know, it to communicate messages as well.
[00:14:26] Something like what was it called?
[00:14:27] I saw the TV glow is like this huge allegory about, you know, the trans experience movie of the year.
[00:14:34] Really? Interesting.
[00:14:36] Yeah. Talk to me more about that.
[00:14:37] I mean, I just it's it hits a lot of notes that I think are really interesting that we haven't seen before.
[00:14:42] I don't want to say too much about it because I do think it's the type of movie that I think you should just go into and experience.
[00:14:48] But I just think that it is like beautifully shot, really interesting story, great visuals.
[00:14:53] I just think it is like the whole package.
[00:14:56] And I love a movie that like doesn't give you super clear cut answers and lets you like kind of interpret it how you want.
[00:15:03] I also think it kind of perfectly nails this like niche part of like my growing up, which is like Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
[00:15:11] Are you afraid of the dark?
[00:15:12] Like Nickelodeon late at night, like that kind of show.
[00:15:15] And I haven't really seen that in a movie before, like portrayed this accurately, like the love for that.
[00:15:21] It's a great movie.
[00:15:23] Like I said, I cannot recommend it at all.
[00:15:25] Oh, no, that that's I just watched Speak No Evil.
[00:15:30] And again, like not great.
[00:15:32] But I went and read just like Mike, the plot of the original.
[00:15:38] Yes.
[00:15:38] Which is much worse.
[00:15:40] Yeah.
[00:15:40] And I said, oh, see, I'm so glad Americans cannot handle this.
[00:15:46] I was wondering when I went into that one, I was like, are they going to go there?
[00:15:50] And here's the thing I would like they didn't.
[00:15:52] But also, like, I didn't mind that they did it.
[00:15:54] I liked what they did with like the they made it their own thing.
[00:15:57] And like I said, I was like, I don't think they're going to go there.
[00:16:01] That was an interesting day.
[00:16:02] I did a double feature that day of that movie and a movie called Red Rooms, which is one of my favorite movies of the year.
[00:16:08] It's a French Canadian movie about this woman who's like a model who like you think just like really has all her shit together.
[00:16:15] And she is obsessed with the serial killer who on the dark web, like tortured and murdered three teenage girls like with an audience watching.
[00:16:25] And so she becomes obsessed with the serial killer and she goes to his trial and is like her life just becomes consumed with the case.
[00:16:33] And it's like, yet again, I don't want to say much more.
[00:16:35] It's very dark.
[00:16:38] But like watching both of those back to back, my friends were like, yet again, are you OK?
[00:16:42] And I was like, yeah, typical day for me.
[00:16:46] Yeah, that's so interesting.
[00:16:48] So, yeah, you are.
[00:16:49] I mean, you're a big like movie theater person, right?
[00:16:52] You're a big someone to always go to the theaters over just out way for it to come out.
[00:16:57] It is going to the movies even before Scream and everything.
[00:17:00] As a little kid, it has always been my literal favorite thing to do in the world.
[00:17:05] And so I always say it's like a great favorite thing to have because every week there's you know what I'm saying?
[00:17:11] Like every week I'm excited about at least like one or two new movies.
[00:17:14] And so I feel like I always have something to look forward to.
[00:17:18] But yes, I absolutely love it.
[00:17:20] I am a proud AMCA list member.
[00:17:22] Three movies a week, $25 a month.
[00:17:24] It's amazing.
[00:17:25] It's the best that's ever happened to me.
[00:17:27] Did you ever do MoviePass?
[00:17:29] Oh, of course I did.
[00:17:32] I feel like I kind of am part of the reason MoviePass went under.
[00:17:35] I really am.
[00:17:36] I am because I lived in San Francisco and I was doing all this.
[00:17:41] I'm getting these movies for this.
[00:17:43] I fully exploited it.
[00:17:44] Movies for this.
[00:17:46] Oh my God.
[00:17:46] So good.
[00:17:47] Yes.
[00:17:48] Like I would.
[00:17:49] So the thing is for a while while they were working on the kinks, if you like had the loyalty program for certain theaters,
[00:17:55] because you can do it with like any theater, but it would also register through MoviePass that you bought a ticket and you would get like reward points.
[00:18:02] And so with MoviePass, you could see a movie every day.
[00:18:05] But even if I wasn't seeing a movie every day, if I was just like walking past a movie theater, I would check in for a movie and get a ticket.
[00:18:12] And then I would get like reward points for that theater.
[00:18:15] And so not only was I checking in for a movie every day on MoviePass, I was getting like hundreds of dollars in rewards.
[00:18:21] Oh my God.
[00:18:22] And it's just like, I was fully exploiting it.
[00:18:26] But.
[00:18:28] I love this for us.
[00:18:30] Honestly, capitalism.
[00:18:31] Take that.
[00:18:33] Yeah.
[00:18:34] I mean, that's the thing is that like, luckily, AMCA list is able to step through.
[00:18:37] And it really is.
[00:18:38] I think just like any subscription service, like you sort of get what you pay for.
[00:18:41] Like if you are committed to seeing as many movies as you did, then like it's absolutely worth it.
[00:18:47] If you're just subscribing to get like a big tub of popcorn, then it seems much less, you know, worthy.
[00:18:54] The price attached to it.
[00:18:55] You can Uber Eats popcorn now.
[00:18:57] We all.
[00:18:57] So.
[00:18:58] Really?
[00:18:59] Yeah.
[00:19:00] At least here.
[00:19:01] Okay.
[00:19:02] Where do you live?
[00:19:03] I live in Oakland.
[00:19:05] Okay.
[00:19:05] Or in the area.
[00:19:06] Okay.
[00:19:06] You know, we'd be extra here.
[00:19:07] That's wild.
[00:19:08] Okay.
[00:19:08] Yeah.
[00:19:09] Because it definitely has AMC.
[00:19:11] Or is it AMC or cinema?
[00:19:13] Whatever.
[00:19:14] One of them.
[00:19:15] I'm sure.
[00:19:15] Like it would not shock me if you could do it through AMC.
[00:19:18] Mm-hmm.
[00:19:19] But either way, one of them.
[00:19:20] Because them pretzel boys.
[00:19:22] Wait, AMC actually does have great pretzel boys?
[00:19:24] Yeah.
[00:19:26] I'm also sorry.
[00:19:37] I'm like, so my building can only have the heat on or the cooling on.
[00:19:42] And like they switched from cooling to heating.
[00:19:44] But we're having like a heat wave here.
[00:19:46] And so we can't have the AC onto my apartment.
[00:19:48] It's like, I'm like pouring sweat as I'm talking to you.
[00:19:51] No, listen.
[00:19:52] You're just, it's just your passion for the genre.
[00:19:54] Yes.
[00:19:55] I'm talking to you.
[00:19:56] My apartment being hot and me talking fashionably.
[00:19:58] But I'm like, I look crazy.
[00:19:59] I'm so sweaty.
[00:20:00] No, never.
[00:20:02] Well, so I'm intrigued because with a lot of people, as the Halloween season arrives,
[00:20:07] they like go through their stock list of movies that they like to rewatch every year.
[00:20:11] Is that the case with you?
[00:20:12] Because you also seem to be someone who's also exploring as much new stuff as possible.
[00:20:16] Yes, it's a combo of both.
[00:20:17] I definitely have like staples that I like to watch.
[00:20:19] Like I would say non-Scream Candyman is my favorite horror movie.
[00:20:23] And so I will watch that like every Halloween.
[00:20:25] I think it's the best Chicago movie ever made.
[00:20:28] I'm serious.
[00:20:29] It's like, it is Chicago is like a character in the movie.
[00:20:31] It is so good.
[00:20:33] And like, if you read about the history of Candyman, there are like certain things that
[00:20:38] happen in it that are based off of like actual Chicago history.
[00:20:42] It's so interesting.
[00:20:43] So I watch that one every year.
[00:20:45] And then if there are like recent ones that I really like, I'll try to like, I love Barbarian
[00:20:49] from a couple years ago.
[00:20:50] So I've rewatched that the last couple years.
[00:20:52] There's I love Watcher from a couple years ago, which is a lesser known one.
[00:20:56] It's about this American actress who moves to Bucharest with her husband.
[00:21:02] And she's just like bored all day and not working while he's at work.
[00:21:06] And there's a serial killer on the loose killing women and decapitating them.
[00:21:11] And all of a sudden, one night in like her gorgeous apartment with giant windows, she
[00:21:15] sees a man across the way staring at her.
[00:21:17] And she's just like, what if that's the serial killer?
[00:21:20] And that's like the whole premise of the movie.
[00:21:22] Very simple, but like very well done.
[00:21:25] That's one of my favorites that not a lot of people know about.
[00:21:28] And then, of course, the classics.
[00:21:29] I love A Nightmare on the Street as well.
[00:21:31] So I'll like usually watch that one Halloween.
[00:21:34] Yeah.
[00:21:35] What about you?
[00:21:36] I'll go.
[00:21:37] Yeah.
[00:21:37] No, go ahead.
[00:21:38] What about you, Sasha?
[00:21:39] Like, do you have obviously, again, scary movies are not exactly in our wheelhouse,
[00:21:42] but like any Halloween type stuff that you usually put on this time of year?
[00:21:45] I think I love a Disney Halloween.
[00:21:48] Like a Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween is my vibe, if you know what I mean.
[00:21:53] No, but so I have been being like Sasha, like grow up.
[00:21:56] We got to watch a few.
[00:21:57] So like I said, I think Split really is something that encapsulates a lot.
[00:22:01] And y'all, I read a lot of horror, weirdly enough.
[00:22:05] So I'm okay.
[00:22:05] And I like, I feel like when you were talking, Andy, I was like, yeah, because I'm into weird
[00:22:11] shit when I read because Karen Slaughter's books.
[00:22:15] I don't know if y'all know who Karen Slaughter is.
[00:22:17] Karen Slaughter's?
[00:22:18] Yes.
[00:22:19] Karen Slaughter.
[00:22:21] She is a like horror, but it's like gory also, like all of it.
[00:22:28] Okay.
[00:22:29] And she comes up with the most effed up shit.
[00:22:33] Like, I don't know how else I'll tell you.
[00:22:35] I'm not trying to like ruin if people are watching, so I won't give any names, but she's like usually
[00:22:40] in the South or like in Atlanta.
[00:22:42] So again, I just, I love everything South.
[00:22:45] I'm from Oklahoma.
[00:22:46] And then she does this like horrible twist that just like is the biggest gut punch.
[00:22:52] And you're like, I thought this man was normal.
[00:22:54] Turns out he's like a horrible rapist killer.
[00:22:58] Yeah.
[00:22:58] Okay.
[00:22:59] I'm going to remember this.
[00:23:00] And there's always something like that happens.
[00:23:03] So I really enjoy like those kinds of books.
[00:23:06] But then as my, yeah, living in suburbia, then I can't sleep because I read I'll Be Gone
[00:23:13] in the Dark, which is the Golden State Killers book.
[00:23:20] Don't do it.
[00:23:21] Just don't.
[00:23:23] There has not been a day that I have not checked every single window in my house.
[00:23:28] Okay.
[00:23:29] Going off of I'm how I've never scared.
[00:23:31] I listened to a podcast.
[00:23:33] I can't remember the name of it, but I listened to a podcast about the Golden State Killer.
[00:23:37] And they played recording of like when he would call that woman over and over and over and
[00:23:42] take the story of it.
[00:23:43] And it genuinely scared me.
[00:23:45] Like, I remember I was like in my apartment that night, like, oh, I am scared.
[00:23:50] You're like, it got me.
[00:23:52] Because it's real.
[00:23:53] Yeah.
[00:23:54] Like for him specifically, I don't know.
[00:23:57] Is it feels like when it gets real and when it's so close and again, living in the Bay
[00:24:03] Area, what's what's going on in the water here?
[00:24:05] There's too many of them around here.
[00:24:07] But I'm just like the way, like how specific it is.
[00:24:11] I can't.
[00:24:12] It stresses me out.
[00:24:13] Yeah.
[00:24:15] Yeah.
[00:24:15] So I was intrigued about that, Andy, because like some people might feel like horror movies
[00:24:22] is a pipeline to like the true crime side of things.
[00:24:25] Are you a fan of more real life horrors as well?
[00:24:29] Or do you keep it purely fictional?
[00:24:30] No, I am a fan of real life horror too.
[00:24:32] Like I'm very, I'm very well versed in serial killers.
[00:24:36] Like my bag.
[00:24:38] Now I'm here.
[00:24:40] Yes.
[00:24:41] I do like true crime.
[00:24:43] I wouldn't say I think that like I'm about to sound so annoying, but it's like, I feel
[00:24:47] like I liked true crime before it became like such a thing.
[00:24:50] And now I think it's oversaturated.
[00:24:53] Like, I feel like there's a lot of like crap that you have to weed through.
[00:24:56] But when you can find something good, true crime, I'm very it.
[00:25:00] Yeah.
[00:25:01] Yeah.
[00:25:01] I, I just think that you're right.
[00:25:03] The oversaturation of this stuff.
[00:25:05] I think I have almost not walked away from it, but walked away from it in the, like, if
[00:25:10] there's an interesting podcast that I enjoy, I'll listen to it.
[00:25:14] But yeah, I don't seek it out.
[00:25:16] You're right.
[00:25:16] As much anymore.
[00:25:17] Like the Zodiac, the Zodiac is my favorite.
[00:25:20] That's like such a, such a dark, weird thing to say.
[00:25:22] It's like, there's a whole podcast on my favorite.
[00:25:25] The Zodiac is my favorite serial killer.
[00:25:27] Yeah.
[00:25:27] And like, but it's like, there's been so much content about the Zodiac.
[00:25:32] Apparently there's a new Netflix show and it's like, you would think that I would be like
[00:25:35] clamoring to watch it.
[00:25:36] But a part of me is like, I already know it all.
[00:25:40] If that makes sense.
[00:25:41] No, I, I'm so with you on that.
[00:25:44] Well, because then they also like find out new information about the Zodiac killer.
[00:25:48] Yeah, but I also, I think the Zodiac was Arthur Lee Allen.
[00:25:51] Yeah.
[00:25:52] Apparently the Netflix show, the main thesis of the Netflix show is the Zodiac was Arthur
[00:25:57] Lee Allen.
[00:25:57] And I'm like, yeah, I know.
[00:26:00] Yeah.
[00:26:01] We get it.
[00:26:02] Yes.
[00:26:02] We all did.
[00:26:03] We all Googled it.
[00:26:04] We all figured it out at this point.
[00:26:05] Why do we need to throw money and effort behind it?
[00:26:08] Right.
[00:26:09] Yeah.
[00:26:09] I just, I'm also fascinated, I think by all of this stuff, because I know people that
[00:26:15] live in these certain towns in the Bay area, in the Bay area specifically, where they like
[00:26:22] have had encounters.
[00:26:23] And we don't know which one it was, because there could have been a few.
[00:26:28] But folks like being like, no, I remember the Roswell police department really did suck.
[00:26:33] And we really had no idea on, you know, how or why.
[00:26:38] And it makes sense why these serial killers would just be vibing out and hanging out here.
[00:26:42] Right.
[00:26:43] I don't know.
[00:26:43] The one thing that is nice is now I feel like it's harder to be a serial killer.
[00:26:47] Like it was a lot easier then.
[00:26:49] But no, it's funny.
[00:26:51] I'm like thinking back to the one I was like, this is going to make me sound so crazy.
[00:26:55] When I was in San Francisco last, I actually went one night, like I had a flight get canceled.
[00:27:00] And so I had an extra night there.
[00:27:01] And I was like, what should I do with my night?
[00:27:03] And so I literally walked to Presidio Heights to like the corner of Washington and Cherry
[00:27:07] where the Zodiac killed Paul Stein.
[00:27:11] And I was like, I was like, I just want to see.
[00:27:14] You know, the local haunts.
[00:27:16] You were going on your own tour.
[00:27:17] I wanted to see a local haunt.
[00:27:18] And so to answer your question, yes, I do care about your crime.
[00:27:22] But I do.
[00:27:23] I do think it's a little oversaturated.
[00:27:25] Yeah, that's the that's the thing is I don't know if it's just that like the world has felt
[00:27:29] scarier as well that it feels less like, oh, yes, when there are very major crimes being
[00:27:36] committed on the national stage.
[00:27:37] I don't know if I need to necessarily find out more about like, oh, what's happening to all
[00:27:42] of these suburban mothers in the middle of North Carolina?
[00:27:45] I know, like it's not exactly an escape from that reality.
[00:27:49] But to your point earlier about like, yeah, I guess nowadays serial killers, it's a it's
[00:27:54] a probably tough sledding for them just because you can't exactly, you know, go around.
[00:27:59] People don't hitchhike anymore.
[00:28:02] Nobody goes anywhere without their phone.
[00:28:04] So like you have to dispose of that.
[00:28:05] Somehow it feels like a bunch of extra steps to get done something that could be done more
[00:28:09] easily 30 years ago.
[00:28:10] Yeah.
[00:28:11] Listen, unless you're a black or indigenous woman, especially early young girl, because
[00:28:16] what's going on?
[00:28:17] Why are they constantly getting kidnapped or going missing?
[00:28:21] So but yeah, I know I'm so with you, Mike, because again, when you see like, oh, DNA fix
[00:28:27] the case and DNA got this.
[00:28:29] You're like, oh, it was just that easy.
[00:28:32] Well, thank God I was born in this decade, I guess.
[00:28:34] Yeah.
[00:28:35] I mean, the other the other side of it, though, is like, oh, so and so was the one behind
[00:28:39] this when it turns out to be like an A.I.
[00:28:41] deep fake, you know?
[00:28:42] Yes.
[00:28:45] That's it.
[00:28:45] Oh, my God.
[00:28:47] Andy, you brought this up at the start and I didn't want to be like, oh, now tell me
[00:28:50] everything about it.
[00:28:51] But you spoke about, you know, final girls.
[00:28:55] Right.
[00:28:55] And your favorite list.
[00:28:56] So I'd love to dig more deep into this because I don't know that folks talk about this
[00:29:01] a lot when we talk about consuming horror films.
[00:29:05] So, you know, first, the most basic version, I'd love to hear, you know, do you have a
[00:29:08] favorite like horror like antagonist?
[00:29:13] Is that the best way to say it?
[00:29:16] OK, so yes.
[00:29:17] So Gail from Scream and Sydney from Scream.
[00:29:19] I love that.
[00:29:20] I think they both complement each other so well.
[00:29:22] I love that.
[00:29:23] But this is actually kind of fun.
[00:29:24] And it ties into the reality world.
[00:29:26] I bet you probably know this, but Sharni Vinson, who was on Australian Survivor, was the lead
[00:29:33] in a horror movie called You're Next.
[00:29:35] Yes.
[00:29:35] Yes.
[00:29:35] Yes.
[00:29:36] I think she in that movie is like the whole premise.
[00:29:39] The movie is so fun because basically she is the girlfriend.
[00:29:43] She's like dating a guy and they're going to his parents' house in the country and none
[00:29:47] of his family knows her.
[00:29:48] And he's like bringing her with him.
[00:29:50] And basically like these masked intruders show up at the house and start killing everybody.
[00:29:54] And they don't realize that Sharni Vinson's character is Australian and grew up in like
[00:29:59] an Australian survivalist compound.
[00:30:02] And so the movie takes like a twist and she just starts beating the shit out of like all
[00:30:07] the bad guys.
[00:30:08] Period.
[00:30:09] It's amazing.
[00:30:10] Like once you realize that she's got all these powers, it's like, oh, you know, she's not
[00:30:15] going to die.
[00:30:15] And the movie just becomes like a comedy where she just like truly beats the shit out of all
[00:30:20] the bad people.
[00:30:20] Oh, I love it.
[00:30:21] That's why it was like, it's funny because when she was on Australian Survivor, she was
[00:30:25] so like nothing.
[00:30:27] Yeah.
[00:30:28] Yeah.
[00:30:28] And it's like, it was disappointing because her character in You're Next is like what I
[00:30:33] think is the most, the best single one time final girl in horror movies.
[00:30:38] Okay.
[00:30:38] Yeah.
[00:30:39] It's real.
[00:30:40] It's a really fun movie if you've never seen it.
[00:30:42] And like I said, it was so crazy when she was on Survivor.
[00:30:45] And just like did not act like that at all.
[00:30:48] And I was like, okay, so she's a good actress.
[00:30:50] Like she's not a great Survivor player, but a great actress.
[00:30:53] Yes.
[00:30:55] Wait, I love that.
[00:30:56] Oh my God.
[00:30:56] Also, do you have a favorite?
[00:30:58] Yeah.
[00:30:58] Like bad guy.
[00:30:59] Okay.
[00:31:00] Freddy Krueger scared me.
[00:31:01] So talk about being scared.
[00:31:03] Freddy Krueger scared me the most as a kid.
[00:31:06] Like I was very, very, very scared of Freddy Krueger for a while.
[00:31:10] Like before I saw scream, I had like seen just images of Freddy Krueger at the video store.
[00:31:16] And it like scared me so much that my parents had to like sit me down and like, tell me who
[00:31:22] Robert England, they were like, Freddy Krueger is played by an actor named Robert England.
[00:31:26] Like he is not real.
[00:31:28] But I still was just like, I'm sick.
[00:31:30] Like I'm scared of this.
[00:31:32] And so I was, I was so scared of him that I could not even walk by like the boxes for
[00:31:37] Nightmare on the Street movies at the video store.
[00:31:40] And so I think because of that, he will like always be my favorite because I found him the
[00:31:44] scariest.
[00:31:45] And I do think when he's not like in the movies where he pretty much in one and seven, like
[00:31:51] Nightmare on the Street one and Nightmare on the Street seven, those are the only times
[00:31:54] that he's actually scary and not just like cracking jokes.
[00:31:57] But when he is scary, I think that he's like genuinely the scariest of all of them.
[00:32:03] And I mean, a lot of them, like, I don't think Michael Myers is that scary.
[00:32:07] He just kind of walks towards you.
[00:32:08] And has mommy issues.
[00:32:10] Yes.
[00:32:11] Chucky is like more funny than scary.
[00:32:13] Yeah.
[00:32:13] Well, you talk about another like wisecracker.
[00:32:16] I feel like they've especially leaned in that direction after the first one.
[00:32:19] Yeah.
[00:32:20] The problem is, I think I might get got by Chucky because I would be like, no, you're shorter
[00:32:24] than me.
[00:32:24] And there's not that many people shorter than me.
[00:32:26] Well, you could just play up there.
[00:32:27] You just be like, no, I'm a doll like you.
[00:32:29] Yeah.
[00:32:30] I could be your Jennifer Tilly bride of Chucky.
[00:32:32] That's what I'm saying.
[00:32:33] I just I yeah.
[00:32:34] Chucky might get me on account that I might get too happy and be like, he's not he can't
[00:32:38] never look right.
[00:32:40] Mind you, I'm five feet.
[00:32:43] No, that's really funny.
[00:32:45] I don't know about you, Mike.
[00:32:46] But for me, also, I grew up and I still remember.
[00:32:50] And this is crazy.
[00:32:52] Exorcism of Emily Rose.
[00:32:54] Right.
[00:32:54] And when the devil walked in church, then I say, OK, then God can't even save me.
[00:33:00] What's the point?
[00:33:01] Right.
[00:33:02] Like, at least when I'm scared, I could make I saw Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Exorcism
[00:33:07] of Emily Rose.
[00:33:07] I somehow ended up watching them back to back.
[00:33:09] OK.
[00:33:11] My cousins were like, you just moved to America.
[00:33:13] These are the things you should want.
[00:33:15] This is quintessential American movies.
[00:33:17] Yeah.
[00:33:18] Just horrible.
[00:33:19] But anyway, until is it if it's two o'clock and I wake up, I say, I cannot move.
[00:33:25] I need to just sit down here.
[00:33:27] And then last night I had this like ring doorbell notification at 2 45 a.m.
[00:33:34] And I said, what's happening?
[00:33:35] You know, I don't like this.
[00:33:37] And then, y'all, it was a spider.
[00:33:38] So you can only imagine how creepy that looked.
[00:33:41] It was like a spider in front of your ring.
[00:33:44] Just like walking across.
[00:33:46] And I said, I'm October 29.
[00:33:49] Yeah.
[00:33:51] I was like, no.
[00:33:52] See, so for me, yeah, like I agree.
[00:33:54] I think what we watch when we're younger just like so sticks with us because my cousin,
[00:33:59] I never watched it because my cousins were so scared of it that we never watched that
[00:34:04] movie.
[00:34:05] But so to be fair, if you would watch the old it, it would not be.
[00:34:10] If you watch the one with Tim Curry as Pennywise, it is like so bad.
[00:34:15] It's funny.
[00:34:17] Okay.
[00:34:18] Okay.
[00:34:18] I still, I saw that as a little kid.
[00:34:20] It scared me as a little kid too, to be honest.
[00:34:23] Now I do not think it ages very well.
[00:34:26] But when I was like, when I was like five in 1992, it definitely did scare me.
[00:34:32] Yeah.
[00:34:33] Oh, yeah.
[00:34:33] I'm always intrigued when it comes to like the ideal horror watching experience.
[00:34:38] Should it be with people or no?
[00:34:39] Because like something that certainly assuages me with horror movies, like when I watched
[00:34:43] The Ring, I like had two cinephiles as girlfriends.
[00:34:48] And like they showed that to me.
[00:34:51] We watched, we watched like a human centipede together through our fingers.
[00:34:56] Like for me, it helps to have a group so that like, yeah, I do feel terror.
[00:35:01] At least like I'm surrounded by a group.
[00:35:02] But I can also imagine if you're trying to like be immersed and you have people trying
[00:35:06] to like crack jokes or not be serious around you, that could also take you out of it.
[00:35:09] Well, okay, I exist in some middle plane here.
[00:35:12] I of course don't want anyone talking near me.
[00:35:16] Like literally, it's funny.
[00:35:17] One of my, I was like on a date with a guy who has since become like a good friend.
[00:35:22] And we were like, the movie was starting and he started talking to me and I like did barely
[00:35:26] knew him.
[00:35:27] And I just leaned over and I was like, if you don't shut up, I'm going to cut your
[00:35:30] fucking head off.
[00:35:31] Jesus.
[00:35:31] And I mean, he was like, I was mostly joking.
[00:35:35] Yes.
[00:35:35] But like he got the point.
[00:35:38] So I don't want people talking, but I do like watching it with other people.
[00:35:41] And I think like watching other people's reactions is really fun.
[00:35:44] And I also like being someone who's never that scared.
[00:35:47] I like watching it with people that are scared and I can like protect them if that makes
[00:35:51] sense.
[00:35:52] Like I've had multiple friends jump into my arms, like during scary movies.
[00:35:57] I was at one.
[00:35:58] Like shaggy and scooby.
[00:36:00] Like my friend Frank, who is larger than me, literally jumped in, like got into my lap,
[00:36:06] like at a movie once.
[00:36:07] And he was so scared.
[00:36:08] And we like get up to leave and we're walking out and I run into a girl from high school
[00:36:14] who I had not seen in like 20 years.
[00:36:16] And she was just like, I was wondering if that was you with that large man in your lap,
[00:36:20] like during the movie.
[00:36:21] And I was like, yep, it was.
[00:36:23] Hey, how are you?
[00:36:25] And so I like, I like being like the brave protector of that makes sense because I'm never
[00:36:30] scared.
[00:36:31] And so, but I would say my ideal viewing is with other people.
[00:36:35] Yeah, that's fair.
[00:36:36] Yeah.
[00:36:37] For me, it has to be with only people, other people, as many people as I can.
[00:36:43] Even when I go through haunted houses, which I have not in years, but I'm always like, I
[00:36:48] got to be the middle person.
[00:36:50] I got to figure out how to get people on the sides of me, even though you have to be
[00:36:54] in a line.
[00:36:55] Like I really, there's an art to haunted houses.
[00:36:59] I don't love a haunted house.
[00:37:01] Oh, interesting.
[00:37:01] I don't want to be like touched.
[00:37:04] Yeah.
[00:37:04] Yeah.
[00:37:05] I do think, especially in a post COVID world, there's a different fear that comes in the
[00:37:08] haunted house, which is like contact.
[00:37:11] I love watching those ridiculous videos of like famous people going in haunted houses.
[00:37:17] But don't ever put me back in it.
[00:37:20] I'm good.
[00:37:20] I don't know why I did that.
[00:37:21] I think, I think I've outgrown haunted houses.
[00:37:24] Like those people that, that pay good money to do the universals, right?
[00:37:30] Like Halloween horror nights.
[00:37:32] Y'all are wild.
[00:37:33] Yeah.
[00:37:34] What is there?
[00:37:35] Yeah.
[00:37:36] I don't know.
[00:37:36] There was back in the day.
[00:37:38] I know some friends got the opportunity to like volunteer at, cause we were right near
[00:37:42] Dorney park.
[00:37:43] We were literally like right down the street.
[00:37:45] And so they got the opportunity to like volunteer to dress up as zombies or whatever for their
[00:37:48] like haunted nights.
[00:37:49] I feel like those are fun moments.
[00:37:51] I think it would be fun to do that.
[00:37:53] Like that's, I think that would be more fun than going as like a paying customer.
[00:37:57] Yeah.
[00:37:57] Oh yeah.
[00:37:58] Oh yeah.
[00:37:58] I imagine actually, well, I would say it's a little bit of hazard pay, right?
[00:38:02] If you are an actor in a haunted house, I feel like that's so much fun, but it comes
[00:38:07] with such a cost of like directly getting punched in the face.
[00:38:11] I bet so many of them get punched.
[00:38:13] Like they have to, right?
[00:38:14] Yeah.
[00:38:15] Yeah.
[00:38:15] Yeah.
[00:38:15] A hundred.
[00:38:15] I would definitely push.
[00:38:17] Listen, it's fighter flight.
[00:38:18] A hundred percent of the people are not going to do flight.
[00:38:21] There's going to be at least a hefty percentage that do fight.
[00:38:23] Yes.
[00:38:24] And I'm the freeze guy.
[00:38:26] Okay.
[00:38:26] So the worst one, they literally had to during the universal, um, in LA,
[00:38:32] they just have like the haunted house.
[00:38:34] I forget which one.
[00:38:35] It's just a regular ride, ride, whatever attraction experience.
[00:38:39] And I went through it and I, somehow I was the first person and I said, no, I got to,
[00:38:44] let me get to the back of the line.
[00:38:45] They wouldn't let me.
[00:38:46] And they literally, the actor had to be like, you need to move.
[00:38:50] You have to get out of this room.
[00:38:51] And I was like, I can't move.
[00:38:55] Oh my God.
[00:38:56] My sorority for sisterhood.
[00:38:58] Um, they would, we would have themes every month.
[00:39:00] So freaking October was haunted house themed.
[00:39:04] Terrible.
[00:39:05] So wait, did you dress up the sorority house as a haunted house or you went to a haunted
[00:39:09] house?
[00:39:10] Yes.
[00:39:11] We were multicultural, you know, so no houses for us.
[00:39:14] Living in a fraternity house.
[00:39:15] I believe we did do a haunted house for a couple of years to like, to like the extent
[00:39:20] that we could, it's a bunch of goofy nerds, which is like a guy put a horse head mask
[00:39:25] on and is holding a fake chainsaw at the end of the, you know, at the end of the, the
[00:39:29] hallway going, ah, and it's like, Oh, not that.
[00:39:34] I mean, listen, we were all like broke college theater kids that are like, well, we could,
[00:39:39] we don't have much, but we'll try to make something happen.
[00:39:43] It's like the perverted version of those Ricky Mickey Rooney movies of like, let's put on
[00:39:46] a show, everybody.
[00:39:47] We've only got two pennies to wrap together, but we could scare the pants off these kids.
[00:39:52] Oh, I love this.
[00:39:54] Andy, do you think there's like a concept that hasn't been done or that you just, you
[00:40:00] know, ask someone that, that, you know, is there Britannica encyclopedia of this?
[00:40:05] Do you think there's like something you want to see that you haven't seen?
[00:40:09] Maybe it does exist.
[00:40:10] You haven't.
[00:40:10] Be honest.
[00:40:11] I don't really think about that.
[00:40:13] Like, I actually really don't have an answer for that.
[00:40:15] Yeah.
[00:40:15] Um, I usually like, I will like read, like, it'll be like, Oh, this upcoming movie is in
[00:40:21] development and here's the premise.
[00:40:22] And I'll be like, Oh, that is so cool.
[00:40:24] How has no one thought of that?
[00:40:25] But I myself don't ever, I just sit wanting the information to come to me.
[00:40:30] Um, and so I just let, yeah, I let it come to me as it, as it does.
[00:40:34] But I mean, I have been pleasantly surprised with, I think horror continually like remains
[00:40:41] interesting.
[00:40:41] If that makes sense.
[00:40:42] Yeah.
[00:40:43] Yeah.
[00:40:44] What about from the TV perspective?
[00:40:46] Because obviously the genre existed in movies for so long and there are like horror-esque
[00:40:51] shows, obviously, Tales from the Crypt.
[00:40:53] I have a hot take.
[00:40:54] Oh, please.
[00:40:55] Um, I think that American Horror Story is one of the worst shows that has ever been on
[00:41:00] TV.
[00:41:00] It has never been good.
[00:41:03] I think the season that you think was good, it wasn't good, honey.
[00:41:07] And there has never been a good season of American Horror Story.
[00:41:09] It sucks.
[00:41:10] It sucks.
[00:41:10] Even if it starts out good, halfway through it becomes bad.
[00:41:14] Like, oh, you thought Coven was good?
[00:41:16] By the end, everybody was getting revived from the dead.
[00:41:18] There were no stakes.
[00:41:19] It all falls apart.
[00:41:20] I think American Horror Story sucks.
[00:41:23] One thing about Ryan Murphy in this podcast, he's going to get last.
[00:41:26] I know.
[00:41:27] It felt like a while since we dragged Ryan Murphy.
[00:41:30] It feels like good.
[00:41:31] It feels good.
[00:41:32] What I will say is, I will reprieve a little bit.
[00:41:34] But I did think that Scream Queens was good.
[00:41:37] Oh, I was going to ask you about that.
[00:41:38] Okay.
[00:41:39] I really like Scream Queens because it knew what it was doing.
[00:41:42] I watched it.
[00:41:43] Absolutely.
[00:41:44] And listen, like, uh, Glenn Powell, you know, renaissance here.
[00:41:48] But a real one for remember him is Chad Radwell from Scream Queens.
[00:41:51] It looked an amazing cast.
[00:41:53] Like, that cast is a real.
[00:41:55] But yes, I like Scream Queens.
[00:41:57] I think, I once tweeted that I thought American Horror Story sucked.
[00:42:00] And man, I got, I got it all day in the comments.
[00:42:04] People look at it went viral and people got mad.
[00:42:06] But I stand by it.
[00:42:09] No, that's, oh my God.
[00:42:10] Yeah.
[00:42:11] I think I'm about to sound elitist and annoying, but I think it is horror TV for people that hate horror.
[00:42:16] Like, I think if you don't care, if you don't like horror, you will like American Horror Story.
[00:42:21] But I think if you actually like really care about the genre, I think it's terrible.
[00:42:26] Oh, okay.
[00:42:27] Fair, fair.
[00:42:27] Yeah.
[00:42:27] I mean, that makes sense that like, you know, I think it became much like a lot of Ryan Murphy properties.
[00:42:33] Like the intentions kind of had the wheels fall off and it became more of like, okay, let's just start using this as a vehicle to bring in celebrities and do like grotesque shit.
[00:42:42] What is Kim Kardashian doing here?
[00:42:44] I'm sorry.
[00:42:44] Get her out of there.
[00:42:45] Like.
[00:42:46] And she was a scab, which is even worse.
[00:42:49] I know.
[00:42:51] Yeah.
[00:42:52] Oh my.
[00:42:52] I just like forgot the cast of Scream Queens, even though, like I said, I watched it.
[00:42:56] It's so nice.
[00:42:57] This is wild.
[00:42:59] Liam Michonne, Lassine Pedrad, Emma Roberts, Abigail Palmer.
[00:43:03] What the hell?
[00:43:04] Casey Palmer.
[00:43:05] Casey Nash.
[00:43:06] Yes.
[00:43:08] Like, Glenn Powell.
[00:43:09] It's so good.
[00:43:10] John Stamos shows up.
[00:43:12] Yeah.
[00:43:12] Like the only, the only, and even the, uh, like the two romantic leads have done the least afterwards, but they've always gone viral because of like the cringeworthy senorita awesome scene when she gets coffee from him.
[00:43:23] Yep.
[00:43:24] Oh my gosh.
[00:43:25] And the guy from Emily in Paris.
[00:43:27] What the hell?
[00:43:29] Um, the British guy, Lucy.
[00:43:31] That's the thing is that Ryan Murphy like finds talent and assembles them together.
[00:43:35] But I don't know, Sasha, have you, I have not watched the new Aaron Hernandez show, but I've seen clips from it and it is incredible.
[00:43:44] It is amazing.
[00:43:45] I don't know either.
[00:43:46] Oh my gosh.
[00:43:47] So these, so these people, like it's as if they are aliens that just had like the concept of football explained to them.
[00:43:55] Like when I tell you, and if you're not a sports person, you know, it's a table, but like the way they personify like Bill Belichick and Gronk are so over the top campy.
[00:44:08] It's absolutely incredible, which is tough because like they're trying to go in the direction of like they were telling the OJ story.
[00:44:13] Like they're, they're not exactly going for over the top campy portrayals of these real life figures.
[00:44:19] But for some reason, when it comes to the world of sports, they decide to do it.
[00:44:22] So I only watch it through like a couple of choice clips on my timeline, but, but I do want to actually like sit down and watch it because it just looks, it looks like absolute fun, but maybe for the wrong reason.
[00:44:33] Maybe I would, I don't, I do, man, I truly think I could take over the world if I could talk to anyone about sports, but I just don't care.
[00:44:40] Period.
[00:44:41] So I think maybe it would be good for me.
[00:44:43] I wouldn't have any idea if it wasn't accurate in any way.
[00:44:46] So.
[00:44:47] No, that's fair.
[00:44:48] No, it's, it's Aaron Hernandez.
[00:44:50] Wild, wild story.
[00:44:52] Speaking of true crime, Andy, this might be a rare, like true crime story that you don't know about.
[00:44:57] I don't, I mean, so it's funny.
[00:44:59] I literally, maybe a month ago was like, what is this?
[00:45:02] I don't know what, like, so I asked a friend to explain it to me.
[00:45:05] So I know a like two minute clip of what, of what happened, but that's all I know.
[00:45:11] Yeah.
[00:45:12] That's enough.
[00:45:13] You need to know.
[00:45:14] I just feel like the, that show Mike is like if AI.
[00:45:18] Yeah.
[00:45:19] Like me, he wrote a script and cast the people.
[00:45:23] Cause Bill Belichick is played by someone that like be serious.
[00:45:27] You know what I mean?
[00:45:28] Like he specifically like basically just took a picture of Bill Belichick and we're like,
[00:45:33] yeah, this is all, this is your character.
[00:45:35] We don't need to write you.
[00:45:36] Just come in and improvise.
[00:45:37] Like this is the look that you should be embodying.
[00:45:39] Like it's just, it's basically like a made for TV movie of this story in so many ways.
[00:45:45] So I, I'm excited to eventually check it out, but it just seems like, I don't know.
[00:45:51] I like, I was intrigued by the direction considering that Ryan Murphy and sports do not often go together in the same sentence.
[00:45:57] Uh, so unfortunately maybe it's not trending on the side of like great quality first seasons.
[00:46:02] Like a lot of people allege Ryan Murphy shows are.
[00:46:04] I like, I don't watch that much scripted TV anymore.
[00:46:09] Like it's like, I really do.
[00:46:10] Like so much of my time has taken up watching reality TV.
[00:46:14] But I guess this is kind of horror adjacent.
[00:46:16] Is that I'm watching Agatha all along, which is the finale is tonight.
[00:46:20] Um, and I thought, I have thought that it was quite good.
[00:46:23] So I listened as a Marvel girly, but that has been disappointed in my Marvel.
[00:46:28] Agatha gets it.
[00:46:29] Oh, okay.
[00:46:30] So I am not a Marvel girly and I am in like, I think I have chosen right.
[00:46:35] But you are a Catherine Han girly.
[00:46:37] Yes.
[00:46:37] Yeah.
[00:46:37] Okay.
[00:46:38] I mean, I, I, I, it's actually insane.
[00:46:40] I would say I'm an Aubrey Plaza, then Patti LuPone, then Catherine Han.
[00:46:44] It's like Catherine Han is my third favorite.
[00:46:47] It's your Avengers.
[00:46:48] Um, but I don't really care about Marvel.
[00:46:52] I will see all the movies, but I don't watch any of the shows.
[00:46:54] The only shows that I've watched are WandaVision and Agatha all along.
[00:46:57] And everyone's like, you've chosen well.
[00:46:59] Yeah.
[00:46:59] That's exactly what I would say.
[00:47:01] Do not watch Secret Invasion.
[00:47:03] No, I mean, you can watch Miss Marvel though.
[00:47:04] Miss Marvel's really good.
[00:47:06] Okay.
[00:47:06] So I saw, I saw the Marvels, the movie and had no idea what was going on because
[00:47:11] Oh yeah.
[00:47:12] Like I was just like, I truly am lost.
[00:47:14] Um, and so, but I did like all of the characters in it.
[00:47:18] And so maybe I would like that.
[00:47:20] Yeah.
[00:47:20] Miss Marvel, it feels like a sitcom more than it does.
[00:47:24] Like a nice family.
[00:47:25] Yeah.
[00:47:25] It feels like a, like a, like a teen show.
[00:47:28] At least it starts out, especially with a very specific tone.
[00:47:31] I mean, I think Andy, but we really need to just get you into the MCU is
[00:47:34] casting.
[00:47:35] Oh, well, I was going to say, I believe Judy Greer was part of the MCU.
[00:47:38] Judy Greer plays Paul Rudd's wife in the Ant-Man movies.
[00:47:41] Judy Greer is in the MCU.
[00:47:42] Yes.
[00:47:44] Oh my gosh.
[00:47:45] But also speaking of like silly, funny things, cause you tweeted about this too.
[00:47:50] And it, cause the announcement is here.
[00:47:52] A scary movie is coming back.
[00:47:54] Oh my God.
[00:47:55] I know.
[00:47:55] That's exciting.
[00:47:56] I am so ready.
[00:47:58] I just, I have been on like a weird, um, weigh-ins brother, like deep dive on
[00:48:04] YouTube.
[00:48:05] Okay.
[00:48:05] Yeah.
[00:48:06] Since the Shannon Sharp interview that Marlon Wayans just did, I've been like,
[00:48:10] I've always been like fascinated by their family.
[00:48:13] Cause I think as an only child, I'm always like fascinated by large families.
[00:48:17] But, and then I just learned so much about them.
[00:48:20] I'm so ready for scary movies.
[00:48:22] And like, if you rewatch the first, I mean, I think scary movie one and two are like the
[00:48:27] only good ones.
[00:48:28] Yeah.
[00:48:29] Yeah.
[00:48:29] Unfortunately.
[00:48:29] For every good joke, there is a joke that ages like milk.
[00:48:33] And so, but what I will say is the good jokes are so good that I think one coming out now,
[00:48:40] they will know, like, you know what I'm saying?
[00:48:42] We were not going to get the horrible jokes that we got in 2000.
[00:48:46] And so I have high hopes for the new one.
[00:48:49] Yeah.
[00:48:49] That's the thing is that scary movie obviously was incredibly successful and it spawns not
[00:48:55] only, uh, you know, subsequent scary movie movies that aren't even parodying horror movies
[00:49:01] at a certain point, but then it also spawns epic movie and date movie, which are just awful.
[00:49:08] Cause it's not even about lampooning the genre.
[00:49:11] It's just like, let's throw in as many popular references as we can, which like definitely gets
[00:49:16] away from the original spirit of it.
[00:49:17] I mean, the lone, lone exception is not another teen movie.
[00:49:21] Not another teen movie.
[00:49:22] Which is a work of art.
[00:49:24] It's a work of art.
[00:49:24] I would say like once a month, I quote glasses and I'm not glasses and a ponytail, anything
[00:49:30] but that.
[00:49:31] Oh my God.
[00:49:32] And that's that.
[00:49:33] And that's just speaking of Marvel.
[00:49:34] That's Chris Evans.
[00:49:35] Yeah.
[00:49:35] But listen, that's my, that's to me, the hottest Chris period.
[00:49:39] And I, oh yes.
[00:49:39] And they're in, in that movie.
[00:49:41] So, which is, I think for us, like that grew up with him in the rom-com era, you don't know
[00:49:49] him.
[00:49:49] Like I know him.
[00:49:50] Like you, you weren't in nanny diaries, you know, like being like, what a hot neighbor.
[00:49:56] I totally agree.
[00:49:57] So it's just that I'm with him.
[00:50:00] But no, it's, it's really interesting.
[00:50:01] You say that, Mike, about the date movie, because I was like, I don't think the Wayans
[00:50:06] brothers did that.
[00:50:07] And that's what Marlon talks about a lot in the, the reason they don't want to bring
[00:50:13] a lot of stuff back is because of how production houses come in and they will like kind of
[00:50:20] ruin what is the original.
[00:50:22] And that's why it took them so long to, to come up with anything.
[00:50:27] If they were to do a sequel, blah, blah, blah.
[00:50:30] Cause listen, for me, I'm dying for a white chick sequel, but they said, no, he'll never
[00:50:34] do it.
[00:50:35] They said, I'm a black man.
[00:50:37] Fair.
[00:50:38] But that's what also came to me is like how these horror movies, you know, will, will
[00:50:44] get a little bit commercialized and then they lose.
[00:50:47] It's like spark.
[00:50:48] Well, and it's like what, I wonder what these will parody.
[00:50:51] Will these parody like, like the more like art house cerebral horror.
[00:50:55] So like hereditary and mid summer and like things like that, which I love.
[00:50:59] Um, so who knows?
[00:51:01] Yeah.
[00:51:01] Cause that's the thing is that like, that has become the way that horror works nowadays
[00:51:05] that I feel like a lot of these, like there are some that might become serialized, but
[00:51:11] I feel like in general we're, we're sort of past like tentpole horror movies.
[00:51:14] I guess scream is still, or what's continuing is still continuing depending on the statuses
[00:51:21] of their actresses or not.
[00:51:22] Um, but I feel like usually though, a lot of the most talked about horror movies are like
[00:51:26] random one-offs that will pop up from art houses.
[00:51:29] So yeah, to your point, it'll be interesting.
[00:51:31] Cause also I feel like, I mean, I would say that maybe something like Megan will show up.
[00:51:35] Like I feel like they're going to go for the most viral stuff.
[00:51:38] Babadook is another good.
[00:51:39] Love it.
[00:51:40] Like, Oh man's doing that dance.
[00:51:43] Absolutely.
[00:51:44] Megan will be in there.
[00:51:45] Which apparently we're getting a Megan sequel next year.
[00:51:47] Oh wow.
[00:51:48] And I did watch Megan again.
[00:51:49] Another.
[00:51:50] That's one thing.
[00:51:51] Getting a not scary, but very fun.
[00:51:53] Yeah.
[00:51:54] Where I was like, Oh, I'm here.
[00:51:55] I'm in.
[00:51:57] I was just looking this up.
[00:51:58] I didn't realize that, uh, one of the guys that wrote scary movie three was Craig
[00:52:02] Mazin.
[00:52:02] Um, and if you don't know, he created Chernobyl on HBO and the last of us.
[00:52:08] Oh.
[00:52:09] Okay.
[00:52:10] Wow.
[00:52:11] Creatives contain multitudes.
[00:52:13] I love that.
[00:52:14] This for us, honestly.
[00:52:17] Yeah.
[00:52:18] It's just, uh, so, you know, everyone has their start somewhere.
[00:52:21] Um, but unfortunately we're going to start bringing things to a close.
[00:52:26] Everything has to start.
[00:52:27] Everything has.
[00:52:28] It's an, I wanted to ask you a couple of questions though, Andy, that we usually do on this podcast.
[00:52:33] So if there were for whatever reason to be a, uh, a scripted version of big brother 15.
[00:52:44] Yeah, I know.
[00:52:45] I, there are not many worse ideas than that.
[00:52:49] Did someone turn on the heater in my house?
[00:52:51] Yeah.
[00:52:52] If we have been like create Hollywood has run out of ideas.
[00:52:55] They've officially reached the bottom of the barrel, pick the last ball out.
[00:52:59] Ryan Murphy has shown up.
[00:53:00] Yeah.
[00:53:01] Who would you cast as yourself?
[00:53:03] I mean, like, I think the answer is pretty obvious.
[00:53:05] Like literally, I don't, you've probably seen this.
[00:53:07] I've tweeted about it.
[00:53:08] While I was on big brother, Jesse Tyler Ferguson tweeted.
[00:53:13] Well, it's Friday.
[00:53:15] So I'm getting my usual slew of you.
[00:53:17] You look just like Andy from big brother 15.
[00:53:19] Like, it's like he tweeted that people were saying we looked like each other.
[00:53:22] And so I guess I have to say him.
[00:53:26] Yeah.
[00:53:27] I think that that makes a lot.
[00:53:28] Well, especially around that time as well.
[00:53:30] Like 2013 was like modern family time as well.
[00:53:33] So it was a good time to be like an out and proud redhead on television.
[00:53:38] Oh my God.
[00:53:39] I was really wondering when, how you were going to ask this question or if you were going to
[00:53:43] ask it at all.
[00:53:45] Why not?
[00:53:46] No, I was waiting.
[00:53:48] I want to be very sure.
[00:53:49] Out of every season to choose, they choose that one.
[00:53:51] And everybody's like, what?
[00:53:53] What is the reason?
[00:53:56] Like, it's always so funny.
[00:53:58] Like, like when friends will like friends will find out that I was on the show and they'll
[00:54:02] be like, well, of course I want to watch your season.
[00:54:04] And I'll just be like, okay, girl.
[00:54:06] But I usually have to just like start off with that.
[00:54:09] And now I like that.
[00:54:10] They're just like two hour videos on YouTube of my game.
[00:54:13] And I'm like, I'm like, honey, just watch that.
[00:54:17] That's the thing.
[00:54:18] That's that's the equivalent of me reading through the Wikipedia summaries of the horror
[00:54:21] movies.
[00:54:22] I don't need to open myself up to the actual real McCoy.
[00:54:26] Let me like check out the abridged, the best parts of what I need to know about it.
[00:54:30] Oh, I love that.
[00:54:33] Oh my God.
[00:54:34] Andy, this was such a pleasure.
[00:54:36] I could think of no better way to get ready for spooky season.
[00:54:39] I mean, again, like whether it be the temperature or your passion, like you just exude so much
[00:54:45] energy when it comes to talking about this.
[00:54:48] I'm a dork and I love talking about this stuff.
[00:54:50] So I am thrilled to be here, as you can probably tell.
[00:54:54] Oh my God.
[00:54:55] Well, let's finish off here.
[00:54:57] What is one movie?
[00:54:58] So Smile 2 is like your main recommendation.
[00:55:00] Do you have another one of like a past or present movie that people should check out
[00:55:04] within the next couple of days while the holiday is still fresh?
[00:55:07] Yeah.
[00:55:08] In theaters, Smile 2 and The Substance are both amazing.
[00:55:10] The Substance, yes.
[00:55:12] They're my two favorite horror movies.
[00:55:13] I wouldn't consider us on the TV glow straight up horror.
[00:55:16] So I'm saying Smile 2 and The Substance are the two best horror movies of the year.
[00:55:19] They're both in theaters.
[00:55:20] They're quite different.
[00:55:22] The Substance is like goofier and sillier.
[00:55:24] And Smile 2 is genuinely scary.
[00:55:25] So if you're in the mood for one or the other or both, I love both of those.
[00:55:30] Yeah, I've seen a lot of discourse online about like, I don't know, are people analyzing
[00:55:35] the substance too much?
[00:55:37] Or do you think it is quite literally more than skin deep in terms of what it's going for?
[00:55:43] I think I honestly think that The Substance is mostly supposed to just be like a goofy
[00:55:48] fun time at the movies.
[00:55:49] But I absolutely, I think it is tackling very relevant topics that deserve to be discussed,
[00:55:56] but doing so in a completely absurd manner, if that makes sense.
[00:56:01] Like once you see the movie, you'll realize what I'm talking about.
[00:56:03] But it's like, it really just goes in wild, wild directions that I feel like it's a little
[00:56:08] silly to see people taking it incredibly seriously, if that makes sense.
[00:56:14] Yeah.
[00:56:15] Yeah.
[00:56:16] Well, Andy, this was such a pleasure.
[00:56:18] This was truly incredible.
[00:56:20] Thank you so much for coming on here and offering all of your expertise, your energy,
[00:56:24] and so much more.
[00:56:26] Of course, I mean, you mentioned, you know, the opinions you like to put out there on social
[00:56:31] media, haters be damned.
[00:56:33] If people want to follow you and they haven't yet, how can they do so?
[00:56:36] It's just at Andy Heron on Twitter, on Instagram, on Letterboxd, which is my favorite.
[00:56:43] Oh, you're your Letterboxd girly?
[00:56:46] Love Letterboxd.
[00:56:47] Obsessed.
[00:56:48] Yes.
[00:56:48] Yes.
[00:56:48] That's what I was looking at before this podcast.
[00:56:50] I was like, oh, let me see what Andy's got.
[00:56:54] All right.
[00:56:55] Well, Sasha, what's going on with you besides you hounding Andy's Letterboxd account?
[00:57:00] Listen, we got to do our research.
[00:57:02] But listen, speaking of research, if you want to know why something's trending, why something
[00:57:08] is exciting, what the celebrities are up to, you need to check out Mess Magnets with Kirsten
[00:57:13] McKenna and I, where we talk all of that and more.
[00:57:17] And of course, listeners submitted Mess.
[00:57:19] Okay.
[00:57:20] You need to go to Mess Magnets dot com to check out all of that.
[00:57:23] And Matt Liguori and I are talking, dancing with the stars.
[00:57:28] It's getting crazy.
[00:57:29] Tense for everyone, apparently.
[00:57:32] And listen, America joined us, America Lopez.
[00:57:35] So it was such a fun time.
[00:57:38] Check that out on the Rob Has a Podcast YouTube channel or the We Know Reality TV feed.
[00:57:44] And for everything else I'm doing, just follow me on Twitter.
[00:57:46] Fun Size underscore O4.
[00:57:48] What about you, Mike?
[00:57:49] Well, I'm excited to listen to that.
[00:57:51] And also America, a lot of Bachelor centric stuff going on on Dancing with the Stars this
[00:57:56] week.
[00:57:56] So I imagine you can offer her expertise as well as like all of the simmering sexual tension
[00:58:01] that people ascribe to these partnerships as well.
[00:58:03] So you can check out all my coverage of Survivor 47.
[00:58:07] I'm covering the Penguin on this network as well, which like I, again, cannot recommend
[00:58:12] more.
[00:58:12] The penultimate episode is coming up this Sunday.
[00:58:15] I'm covering Battlestar Galactica.
[00:58:17] And then, of course, TV for real, where I'm going to be gone next week.
[00:58:22] Actually, I'm going to be spirited away to a metaphoric haunted house.
[00:58:25] I will return, but Sasha will be holding down this haunted house of a podcast.
[00:58:30] Very excited to hear that, Sasha.
[00:58:31] It should be a good time.
[00:58:32] But you will be joined by another reality contestant talking scripted TV and more.
[00:58:37] Yes, if you want to tune in, trust me.
[00:58:40] Absolutely.
[00:58:40] I can't wait to tune in.
[00:58:42] I hope you all do as well.
[00:58:44] So Sasha will be back with more reality TV stars talking scripted TV next week on TV
[00:58:50] for real.
[00:58:51] Thank you all so much for listening, Andy.
[00:58:53] Thank you so much again.
[00:58:55] Until next time, everybody.
[00:58:56] It's been real.